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With recruitment being a perennial concern for many, what do you think makes for a good participation game?

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June 2nd in (mostly) military history:

455 – Sack of Rome: Vandals enter Rome, and plunder the city for two weeks.
1098 – First Crusade: The first Siege of Antioch ends as Crusader forces take the city; the second siege began five days later.
1676 – Franco-Dutch War: France ensured the supremacy of its naval fleet for the remainder of the war with its victory in the Battle of Palermo.
1763 – Pontiac's Rebellion: At what is now Mackinaw City, Michigan, Chippewas capture Fort Michilimackinac by diverting the garrison's attention with a game of lacrosse, then chasing a ball into the fort.
1774 – Intolerable Acts: The Quartering Act of 1774 is enacted, allowing a governor in colonial America to house British soldiers in uninhabited houses, outhouses, barns, or other buildings if suitable quarters are not provided.
1780 – The anti-Catholic Gordon Riots in London leave an estimated 300 to 700 people dead.
1793 – French Revolution: François Hanriot, leader of the Parisian National Guard, arrests 22 Girondists selected by Jean-Paul Marat, setting the stage for the Reign of Terror.
1805 – Napoleonic Wars: A Franco-Spanish fleet recaptures from the British the island of Diamond Rock, which guards the entrance to the bay leading to Fort-de-France, Martinique.
1866 – The Fenians defeat Canadian forces at Ridgeway and Fort Erie, but the raids end soon after.
1896 – Guglielmo Marconi applies for a patent for his wireless telegraph.
1941 – World War II: German paratroopers murder Greek civilians in the villages of Kondomari and Alikianos.

Today is the 159th anniversary of the twin battles of Ridgeway and Fort Erie, fought in the vicinity of the town of Fort Erie across the Niagara River from Buffalo, New York, between Canadian troops and an irregular army of Irish-American invaders, the Fenians. The Battle of Ridgeway was the largest engagement of the Fenian Raids, the first modern industrial-era battle to be fought by Canadians and the first to be fought only by Canadian troops and led exclusively by Canadian officers.

The Battle of Fort Erie was a surrounding and forcing of the Fenian invaders' surrender following a skirmish near Fort Erie and the farther-away Battle of Ridgeway. The Fenian force, withdrawing from Ridgeway, met a small force of Canadian militia at Fort Erie, then known as the village of Waterloo.

Prior to the battle of Ridgeway, the Fenian insurgents, led by Brigadier General John O'Neill, a former Union cavalry commander who had specialized in anti-guerrilla warfare in Ohio, secured boats and transferred some 800 men across the Niagara River, landing above Fort Erie, before dawn on June 1, 1866. An additional 200–400 Fenians and supplies crossed later during the morning and early afternoon until the US Navy gunboat, the USS Michigan, began intercepting Fenian barges at 2:20 p.m. — 13 hours after the first Fenian advance party landed in Canada.

An advance party of 250 men of Lieutenant Colonel George Owen Starr's 17th Kentucky Fenian Regiment landed in Canada at about 1:30 AM and raised a large Fenian green flag with a gold Irish harp some two hours in advance of O'Neill's main force. Starr's advance party rushed to seize the town, cut telegraph wires and take control of the railway yards south of Fort Erie by dawn as the rest of O'Neill's force was disembarking. U.S. authorities also allowed unarmed men to board the ferry from Buffalo and small boats freely crossed the Niagara River until the afternoon. It is estimated that at least 1,000 and possibly as many as 1,350 Fenians in total crossed during the first thirteen hours of June 1, but it is impossible to determine a precise number.

O'Neill spent the first day trying to rally the local citizenry to the Fenian cause and to commandeer supplies for his mission, but his force was plagued by desertions almost from the outset. By nightfall, O'Neill estimated that he had perhaps 500 men remaining in his camp. Later during the night, O'Neill was reinforced by an additional column of 200 Fenians who had been deployed earlier on a bridgehead at Black Creek guarding against an approach from Chippawa in the north, bringing his total strength at Ridgeway to at least 650 men.

Meanwhile, the British were mobilizing both local Canadian militia and British garrison troops to defend against the impending invasion of Canada. The Fenians night-marched north across Black Creek (Ontario) through a cedar swamp, then turned inland on Ridge Road on the morning of June 2; taking up a defensive position on Limestone Ridge near the present Canadian town of Ridgeway. There, they clashed with 850 advancing Canadian militia commanded by Lieutenant Colonel Alfred Booker of the 13th Battalion.

In the first hour of the battle, the Canadians appeared to prevail, driving Fenian skirmishers back across Bertie Road. Then something went wrong: to this day, it is not clear exactly what. Some sources say that the Canadian militiamen mistook Fenian scouts on horseback for cavalry. Orders to form a square to defend against a cavalry charge, although quickly countermanded, led to chaos in the Canadian ranks and Booker ordered a withdrawal after ninety minutes of battle. Other sources indicate that troops mistook a company of redcoated 13th Battalion infantry for British troops relieving them and began to withdraw; which then triggered a panic among other troops who mistook the withdrawal for a retreat. O'Neill, observing the chaos breaking out in the Canadian ranks, quickly ordered a bayonet charge that completely routed the inexperienced Canadians.

The Fenians took and briefly held the town of Ridgeway. Then, expecting to be overwhelmed by British reinforcements, they quickly turned back to Fort Erie where they fought a second battle, the Battle of Fort Erie, against a small but determined detachment of Canadians holding the town.

The Canadian loss was 9 killed, 37 wounded (some severely enough to require amputation), and 22 died of wounds or disease later. One British soldier, Corporal Carrington, 47th (Lancashire) Regiment of Foot, died on a forced march from Chippawa to Stevensville. O'Neill claimed he had one or two men killed, but Canadians claimed more.

The relatively low casualty figures make this an interesting battle for proponents of theories about soldiers' reluctance to shoot to kill, but could also be accounted for by the fact that the Fenians had deployed only their skirmishers in an attempt to lure the Canadians towards their main force which did not advance until the last minutes of the battle, when they launched the bayonet attack that broke Canadian lines.

Alexander Muir, author of the unofficial Canadian national anthem, "The Maple Leaf Forever", fought with the Queen's Own Rifles of Toronto at Ridgeway, writing the song in 1867, the year after Ridgeway.

With the small number of troops involved, the varied units and differing equipment, this may well be a suitable engagement to use Too Fat Lardies' Sharp Practice. Another popular ruleset for the colonial era, The Men Who Would Be Kings would also be reasonably well suited.

In the board wargame space The Last Invasion: The Fenian Raids on Canada - 1866 & 1870, an upcoming title by Mark Woloshen and published by Legion Wargames, covers the Battle of Ridgeway.

While I have focussed on the Battle of Ridgeway, the Battle of Fort Erie, with a small force of Canadians unprepared to meet the oncoming tide of Fenians retreating from Ridgeway, offers an interesting asymmetrical attacker/defender scenario run against the clock.

Bonus post: Other candidates I did start on the Battle of Diamond Rock before I saw it was the Ridgeway anniversary. An interesting engagement with a very one-sided battle, the defenders only surrendering due to a lack of ammo and fresh water which nonetheless offers fodder for Napoleonic Sharp Practice games.

I included the Gordon Riots in the On This Day section because of Jim Wallman's (mostly) 18th century riot rules, Little Lambent Meteors.

>>95779383 (OP)
>With recruitment being a perennial concern for many, what do you think makes for a good participation game?

Hot chicks with big boobs

>>95779383 (OP)
>With recruitment being a perennial concern for many, what do you think makes for a good participation game?
- fully painted armies
- interesting scenario, one that makes people want to read up or ask more about the period/circumstances
- and most importantly, not showing you're tired of little interest. That's how you get less interest. Enthusiasm is contagious, and so is a lack thereof.

what color do you think I should paint the coif? I was thinking maybe yellow... though desu, grey wouldnt be bad either.

>>95780978
too late, did it myself, kept it grey but made the tassels yellow. Also, finished the 6th row.

>>95781621

>>95781635
Allways liked the twisty 2 color headbands that medievals wore, what are they called?

>>95780789
>-fully painted armies
I wish more people where open to quick paints 1 primer color plus 1-2 secondary colors rather than just going in with unpainted models.
Nothing super or even modestly detailed, just getting the barest look right.

Does anyone have any guides or points on painting metal naval miniatures? just bought some 1/6000

>>95781647
They probably have a few names, but I'd call it an Orle

>>95780978
Coif should be White.

>>95781647
>>95782156
The twisted headband is called a torse. An orle is similar, but plain instead of twisted.

>>95782544
>torse
thats it.
>orle plain
well, in a way I guess, though Orles were generally higher status and encrusted with gems and made out of velvet and stuff. so I wouldnt exactly call them "plain". while torses I believe are just two pieces of fabricted with complementary colors twisted together, any footman might have them (though higher ups would too since they are sexy regardless of ease.)

Why does Team Yankee give more armor to the shit box that is the M113z than the IFV that is the BMP?

making a checkers knight.

Ive always liked pike + small shield, and really any polearm more heavy duty then a regular spear + shield in general.
alexander's pikemen are an obvious example, but there were also those knights that dismounted and used their lances as pikes against the swiss. unfortunately I dont believe it was used all that much by knights, but its a cool aesthetic nonetheless.

Anyone got any guides for what colors the British 8th Army would've used on their vehicles in the Western Desert campaign? I can find lots of stuff on infantry (just light tan everywhere) but vehicles are a bit harder

>>95786558
Nevermind, just found out about Caunter paint. Might try to do something like this, it's pretty striking.

Anyone has any of this books?

>>95786778
yes

>>95786682
>>95786682
Good stuff anon - any plans on the scale or game you'll be playing?
I painted up both sides for Western Desert / North Africa a few months back, it was fun.

>>95784488
Yeah, I meant plain as in not twisted. My bad.

>>95781672
I consider it a half-assed bare-bones job but I'll still take that over greytide, Resin Reiters, or Pewter Praetorians though.

>>95786682
>get in the m3
>sent from my telegraph

>>95787056
I'm doing Bolt Action, 28mm scale naturally. I know it's barely a historical game, but people actually play it around here. Current WIP

I've currently got an Officer, Forward Observer, fifteen infantrymen with various weapons, sniper team, Boys team, two light mortar teams, a bren carrier, and a Humber. Planning to add a Matilda and another box of infantry next, then I'll decide where else to go, since the local group plays ~1250 points apparently.

When I did my demo game last week I won based on a lucky 6 from a heavy mortar wiping a squad. Didn't really like that, so I'll probably avoid the bigger blasts.

>>95787575
Nice start for an army you got there. Neaten up those base rims a bit and maybe give those webbings a different color (no clue about how they looked in rl), because right now the soldiers just look like monocoloured blobs with uniform and flesh and sand on the bases being so close to each other, colourwise.

>>95787303
Tbh if people combined it with couple of washes and a painted base it would be 50% of the way there. In rank and flank games for me everyone after the first five is essentially block painted in 1 or 2 more colours than the 1 or 2 mentioned there, gets a couple of washes and a neatly flocked base. They are playing pieces, and I build clean and varnish them to be used primarily. Front rank I add a couple more details and highlights. I care way more about the overall finish, nice neat bright coats and some shading.

>>95787669
Very true. The pictures and references I've been able to find are real close to the khaki of the uniforms but I'm thinking of doing the straps in black just to five some visual contrast. I'd do dark brown but the guns already have that.

I think I need something fresh to work on. I've got a bunch of fairly generic 10mm Arab rebels that fit the 19th through early 20th century from my Rif War project, and a arid hilly desert table and I'm thinking of using them for something new.

Maybe the Russian conquest of central Asia and get some frontier Russians?
Maybe Arab Revolt and get some Turks?
Anyone have any suggestions?

>>95788216
Tuareg and FFL
The Tuareg are based AF
French are iconic
Do it

>>95786231
Checkers are cool as hell and fun to paint. I hate the GW though,.they're too thick in my opinion

>>95788243
>>95786231
GW bases*

>>95788226
I already have FFL. While they are awesome, I'm looking for something else.

>>95788253
Well then it's crazy not to do Tuareg
Otherwise do the Mahdi vs Chinese Gordon

I ordered like $200 worth of figures from Empress and Spectre for the Russo-Ukrainian War, and some T-80 and BMP. I can't wait for them to arrive, I wish they'd arrive right now.

It's my first time dipping into ultra modern wargaming and I'm pretty exciting, I've spend so much time and thought on sword and spear rank and flank shit that the idea of doing something completely different is getting me fired up. I read a few rulebooks and settled on Asymmetric Warfare. Spectre Operations 2e looked really good and AW is just an updated version. Force on Force looked pretty epic as well, but the rules took a lot longer to digest so I decided against it. Spectre Operations 3e seemed like total dogshit, being made by completely different people

>>95788268
What is your obsession with shilling Taureg in every single thread? Are you a Frenchman with a brown Muslim fetish or some shit?

>>95788268
Think they could pass as madhists? I have plenty of unpainted guys I could paint up blacker. Ya know ... I could get behind some Hicks Pasha's column and get some Egyptians. That could be great.

>>95788216
They're gorgeous anon :)

>>95788216
good to see these again lad
they scream northwest frontier to me
the Russian stuff sounds interesting, would be cool to do something a bit more obscure

>>95779383 (OP)
Storytelling.

>>95788292
What are you talking about? It's relevant to the time and locale.

>>95788302
Well, the Mahdi's army was never just Fuzzy Wuzzies/Ansar, they had marsh Arabs I'm pretty sure. Could be a fun reason to make some boats

>>95788541
Don't play coy with me you faglord

>>95788597
>why do black people live in Africa?

You're going to have to help us understand your problem, anon

>>95788541
Oh boats would be great. I'd love an Abbas style gun boat.

>>95788401
That's a big part of the appeal. I've never seen anyone do anything like that before and Russian Central Asia is very interesting.

>>95788347
Thanks anon, I'm very happy with them but I haven't put any serious work into them for months.

I really just want a small project to kill some time. Come August I'm heading over seas until February and won't be able to do any hobby anything until I come home.

>>95788243
>>95788252
>Checkers are cool as hell
totally agree. Im going to go back and fix them up a bit, but the contrast and the satisfaction of making them straight(er) is a really satisfying combination.
>hate gw bases
I find them another easy place to grab so you dont finger the actual mini diorama itself. If it gets chipped a bit, just add more black paint.
Though this issue might be solved with a finish which I havent experimented with yet. I am unsure what one to use since I want the cloth to be matte and the armor to be shinny.

Also, thats a rad diorama

>>95788985
fuck

>>95784750
Because all the soviet stuff is made to be weaker so they can push their retarded soviet hordes meme that clogs up tables like you see in every pic of the game posted here. Same reason why the T-80 wasn't in the game since the start despite it being their mainline tank in 1985 and was only added after NATO all got shit made in the 1990s that heavily outclassed it.

You can also kind of see this in flames of war where soviet infantry are saved on 4+ but all other infantry are saved on 3+. Things like their DHSK and katyusha trucks are saved on 5+ but other unarmored vehicles like the german and american AA halftracks with no armor or jeeps are saved on 4+.

>>95789384
>their retarded soviet hordes meme

How is this a meme? have you ever looked at production numbers of those soviet vehicles

>>95765609

You know what? since I went for 8x2 bases, I might see how the old War of the Ring wargame plays out for historicals. More beer and pretzels obv, but it might be a good option

>>95789701
Have you ever looked at the size of the eastern front and soviet casualties?

>>95790079
NTA but people don't seem to realize that the soviets had a very perverted version of the Japanese death before surrender mindset. While the Japanese was cultural the soviets was Stalin. Order 270. The tldr being fight to the death, there are no Soviet POWs only Traitors. Even those missing in action were presumed to be deserters and traitors before they were assumed KIA. This of course was all backed up by the double edged punishment of summary execution and reprisals against the solders family. No pension, no state aid, and the possibility of arrest. The soviets were encouraged to die at the end of a bayonet. Their lives were exceptionally cheap. And die they did. In droves and heaps and piles.

Some might say not enough of them died.

>>95790147
t. enemy at the gates was 100% realistic

>>95790160
Look at the number of losses and you realize that they were a horde army in the truest sense.

>>95790160
I never said that. Come and See and Stalingrad are probably the most accurate depictions of the Soviet army in film.

But when your ordered to fight to the death while encircled and try to break out to the last man, instead of surrendering, the Germans are going to kill a lot of you.

>>95788216
US cavalry and plains Indians?

Please send help! I cant stop singing the british grenadiers. And I dont even like the british.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnrvK3zDlyg

>>95790423
Would you rather have the Horrible Histories Battle of Britain song? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLUyEXO-jI0

What are the best ruleset to use with Victrix 12mm WW2 shit?? Just got a hold of the WW2 British/German starter set that has 8 tanks and like 200 infantry

>>95790554
What are you trying to achieve? Realism, "competitive" (fast, balanced) play, individual stories, the challenges of command and combined arms? Personally I'd say O-Group, but most games - even the ones people here hate (FoW, BA) - have something to recommend them, depending on what you're after.

>>95786926
Share maybe?

I think, for the time being until I decide on a new project properly, I'm going to take the second unpainted platoon I have of Cazadores and paint them up in an earlier uniform. The Rayadillo style uniform was used from 1909 though 1920, with the green uniforms I've already painted being adopted in 1914 for summer uniforms only, and then for both summer and winter uniforms completely in 1920 onward. That will give me a larger flexibility in era I can have these Spaniards fighting. And if need be I could still combine them together into a full company if I ever needed that for action between 1914 through the early 1920s. I rather paint now and decide on something I'd really like to get into with some proper planning put into it later. I think I will finally pick up some pith helmeted Brits with maxim guns (I've been using zulu war era British for these Spaniards as noone makes the actual Spaniards and at 10mm who can tell) because the Spanish fielded a very limited numbers of them early on before switching over to the Hotchkiss as a result of supply restrictions caused by the Great War.

>>95790680
Just something fun that captures the essence of the war without being overly autistic and dense. I hate competitive "balanced" shit, warfare is never balanced. I don't want so much realism it saps all the fun out of it, but also I don't want to see someone destroy a panther with a sten gun.

Ok, the 1 sprew (12 models) of french infantry came in. I am planing to intersperse them with my foor knights to illustrate how heavy infantry formations seemed to have been formated.

Heavier higher nobility and men at arms in the front, then their lesser armored retainers, sergents, footmen, etc behind.

Once I finish my Afrikakorp and increase my flexibility, people will be calling me Splitler.

Any anons have the Achtung Panzer pdf? tried asking the request thread multiple times to no avail

Anyone know some good STLs for bunkers and such suitable for WW2? I want to crank a few out for the Bolt Action group.

>>95779383 (OP)
What system would you use to simulate a skirmish/War between Texas and Oklahoma in the interwar?
at the time, Texas had around 8K troops while Oklahoma had 5.2K

>>95792407
>Texas had around 8K troops while Oklahoma had 5.2K
And none were really present? It was a bloodless standoff. The only casualty was a barricade or two got smashed but then rebuilt.

>>95792417
>The only casualty was a barricade or two got smashed but then rebuilt.
East and west germany never went to war either but it doesn't stop everyone and their mother from jerking off to Armored spearheads in the fulda gap.

now answer the question.

>>95792442
>East and west germany never went to war either but it doesn't stop everyone and their mother from jerking off to Armored spearheads in the fulda gap.
Anon, this is Historical Wargaming. If you want alternate then you go to /awg/

>>95792442
>>95792407
I once read an Osprey Wargaming book called A World Aflame that was about interwar period stuff. It was focused on the Spanish Civil War but generic enough to cover other conflicts in that era, and I remember a big focus on irregular troopers, running out of ammo, etc. Might be exactly what you're after.

What game system would you guys recommend for simulating Dark Ages combat? Hail Caesar feels like an obvious choice for casual/accessibility reasons, but I've heard that Triumph! is a good alternative to it. Saga and other skirmish games seem like a good fit too, but dark ages skirmish games always tend to really zero in on the Viking period.

>>95792450
:^)

>>95792450
Not him but does that mean you don't approve of my Bolt Action campaign where we're using the rules to simulate a war with the United Republic of Britain and Ireland and their allies, the USSR under Trotsky, fighting against the Kingdom of Prussia and the Scandinavian Confederacy in 1937?

>>95792471
>you don't approve
I do approve, so long as you talk about it in the right thread.

>>95792495
You sound like a whiney bitch.

>>95792460
depends on what kind of feel you want to go for, rank and flank, skirmish?

Saga specifically is a pretty broad time range if I remember, franks vikings, normans etc. even high medieval suplement I think.

>>95789701
Ongod fucking look at a Team Yankee table, there was a picture posted last thread.

The tables literally get clogged corner to corner with vehicles

>>95790201
approx 1/3rd of all soviet dead were PoWs that died in german camps because the germans gave little fucks about soviet pows. and when you add on the minor axis powers such as romania, hungary, bulgaria, finland it starts to even out and given that the soviets were in disarray on the defensive and then took the offensive the casualties start to make more sense.

>>95792450
Thats a gay and retarded thing to say. WW3 scenarios and made up african civil wars or invasions of fictious middle eastern countries are /hwg/ so long as its accurate real life equipment with no fantasy elements. Modern wargames kind of rely on having to make use with fictional conflicts. So long as the forces are accurate for the time period its really not all that crazy or wierd.

>but that never happened
neither did 99% of the battles you guys play out and the real battles people do recreate are never accurate to the real thing most fucking napoleonic wargamers just throw together french vs british in a random field with 0 actual relevance to any actual battle that occured. Besides this retarded tribalism is part of the reason this general goes to shit.

>>95792971
>accurate real life equipment

Are we sure this is the only metric, Cletus?

>>95790755
>Share maybe?

My mistake, I don't own that book, I made a confusion with another one about hittite's chariots.

Update on my British 8th Army for Bolt Action. Still need to paint the Humber

>remove mold lines
>prime minis
>realise I didn't remove half of the mold lines
argh back into the box they go and on to the 6mm where I dont have to worry about this shit

>>95779383 (OP)
Thanks OP for effortposting again. It's been a long while and I'm happy the flame is burning bright once more.

>>95777242
I don't mind spoonfeeding you but for this one question you'll have to be a bit more specific.

Anyway here's something:
-En Garde for duels.
-Test of Honour for skirmishes.
-Kensei + Sekigahara (boardgame) for rank n flank campaigns.

Keep in mind this is a very different list than what I usually post regarding Sengoku Jidai wargaming because I'm assuming you want a nippon dressing on top of a fast and light wargame.

>>95788243
Oof. Is that Perries? Which kit?
I want that guy on the left in my pocket at all time to crush my enemies.

>>95795388
Yes, Perry 1450-1500 Men at Arms

>>95795628
Adding them on my to do list. Thanks.

Trying to get into Fistful of Tows, are there guides or tutorials explaining the rules step by step?

>>95793488
Flames of War and Bolt action are allowed in /hwg/ despite them being full of actual fantasy prototypes like the KV-13 or shit like allowing you to use the super pershing at normandy or bolt actions infamous hordes of bamboo stick wielding japanese fanatics for an army or flames of wars german armies comprised almost entirely of AA halftracks.

Something like Konflict 47 is 100% /awg/ but really whats the issue if you do cold war gone hot.

>>95792971
Just play it at 6mm and keep the ranges. Problem solved.

>>95795768
Look in youtube. There's a few tutorials over there. Can't remember the channel's name. The game is not hard to get into

>>95794719
decided to paint them anyway, not anywhere near finished yet, but they're not too bad
no idea who I will put them up against though, could do Brits, Brunswickers or Dutch

first time using masking tap. Turned out decently, especially in regards to straightness, thought there was some leakage. started painting it in, but need to do it more. any tips to prevent leakage? maybe dont thin my paints as much? use a tooth pick to really seal the edges?

I actually really like how the chrome looks. think ill avoid putting a wash on it outside of the edges.

Also, do you think I should try putting thelions and fluer de lis on this one or keep it as is? (they will essentially be lines for lions and 3 prongs for the flower)

>>95797312
Your Baccus Boys are 300% better. Why bother? Give those plastic lads to a kid and come back home mate.

>>95797863
I did it

the Trove link seems to be missing the Dark Ages army lists for ADLG. Does anyone have that available? I'm having trouble finding a complete version of the book or I'd just use that.

Where can I get late 80's US infantry in 28mm?

>>95800998
Eureka Miniatures

>>95801086
Most of their Cold War guys have NBC suits, I basically want guys with the same weapons but just uniforms, webbing and helmets. Models that would be suitable for Operation Just Cause.

>>95801184
Thats a weird gap it seems. Empress has modern us-army, but only 2010 onwards. And of course there are plenty of Vietnam minis available.

>>95801215
Not really, what was the US army doing that time except getting blown up in Lebanon?

>>95801227
Well, desert storm 1 would roughly fit too

>>95801227
Having top tier aesthetics. I only wanted 1-2 squads of guys and a missile team to do small games against terrorist/drug lord forces in the late Cold War.

>>95800998
Under Fire Miniatures has exactly what you want

>>95792450
get some new material

>>95792407
the guy that does the most interwar wargaming here plays Fistful of Lead:L Reloaded IIRC which started out as a wild west system but ended up being a generic, it's light and translatable
If you want more granularity there's probably a gangster system you can use

I assume you're going to be doing skirmish, larger, somebody might know an interwar system for irregulars

>>95798212
Maybe, it's too time consuming to remove the mold lines
Those 6mm are to sell, I mainly do 10mm for my own stuff but it's become rather pricey lately, genuinely thought about switching over to 6mm, so much easier to paint, cheaper, and far less time
I find with 10mm stuff there's still too much detail but even when painted nicely you're not really going to see it from 3ft away

>>95802768
But that is an ambush. And only one side had tanks.

Im trying to do something like pic related. It seems that foot knights, french specifically, often wore shields on one of their shoulders, probably the front facing one, for extra protection, So I made a rough shield and stuck it to this guy, hopefully it turns out well.

>>95803938
im also going to add a small strip of leather to mimic the strap

>>95802768
I think "tank doctrine as written" is that even within the platoon structure, tanks could even be almost a mile apart. As soon as you get into any dense terrain, this doctrine goes out the window.

One thing I think about is particularly in WW2 you have so much documentation suggesting tank crews are nipping in and out of the tank constantly to fix something, check what's going on properly, chuck someone a cheese sandwich and have a chat and mostly - everybody jumping out wuick sticks because we think we may be on fire. Even though Shermans were a bit skft from some angles, the crews got consumately good at leaping out if they thought they had been hit. Tank crew survival rate was really high. So if I was in WW2 and had to fight, I would like to have been a tanker.

>>95803948
Your guys are going well

>>95801834
Use a mould line remover
Rinse the parts in soapy water eith a sieve
Then dry on kitchen towel
Use the knife and rinse and dry again

I'm seriously, embarrassingly shit at this hobby so my paint jobs and projects are very basic but fuck me I hate mould lines.

>>95804225
>So if I was in WW2 and had to fight, I would like to have been a tanker.
Sorry anon we really need more men in the navy. Here's your orders to report for submarine training.

>>95804242
>I'm seriously, embarrassingly shit at this hobby
Same bro, I'm in it to wear reenactment uniforms and play battles with my friends. Always been shit with the visual artistic endeavors.

>>95804261
Either way I'm bumping my head.

>>95804276
I broke a lot of important bones so went from being tabletop standard to fingerpainting standard. I care most about getting the paintnon extremely neatly and smoothly and I use a lot of washes but if you look at what I do as a painter, it's an impression. I used to be pretty artsy but I've just worked myself to death lol. If I can hold a paintbrush for an hour I'm doing well.

>>95804242
>Use a mould line remover
These don't work on 1/72s because of the type of plastic, a knife works but takes ages, plus there's some figures where you can't really remove the mould line at all

>>95804509
1/72s are diabolical for that, use sanding sticks

>>95804242
Thanks!

Here is my current army. The left is all archers. First two ranks of right are heavy infantry, back too are light infantry.

Planning to make 1 more block of 8 archers (which 3 of the back row of the light inf are)then a small 6 band of heavy cav and a 6 band of light cav (though might be 8 and 4).

>>95804614
fuck.

>>95804626
Looking good
I want some perry mercs and a box of light cav and a couple of boxes of landsknechte for some Italian Wars goodness. Maybe next month

Newfag here, I've been looking to get into miniature wargaming for quite some time as I've played a ton of historical hex&counter games, but wanted to try out something both on a smaller scale, and more visually appealing. My only question is - it seems that almost everyone who plays miniature wargames has some 3D terrain for play, and all the terrain features are glued and you can't change anything - do you just seriously play out hundreds of scenarios over years on the same little strip of terrain and never get bored? Do you have multiple of them? How does it work?

>>95804693
maybe. one of the good things about perry is that most (pre modern era at least) boxes are good for 2 troop types. so usually you can build a full infantry and cavalry force, at least a started one, with 2 boxes.

I have decided to shelve my ground forces for the time being. No Egyptians or madhists, no central Asian Russian colonial adventures.

I have bought a small flight of 1:300 WWI airplanes. Fokker EIs and Moraine Saulnier Ns.

Time to airplane autist.

>>95779383 (OP)
Shit man, I’ve been getting into a 6mm modern warfare TTG (Micro armor, not AFFoT for what it’s worth) and I’m just going to say 90s-00s US army “Standard” divisions are EXPENSIVE! It’s all Bradleys, and Abrams, even the air support is super-cobras and Apaches!

Don’t get me wrong, they’re all great units, but when up against a conscript horde, those point-costs get real restrictive. So I was looking for more economical alternatives, like switching out the Bradleys for LAV-25s and HMMWVs I realize that the LAV-25s are primarily a marine corps only vehicle, but I don’t care anymore, it’s half the point cost of the Bradley, it was/is in active use, and mostly it’s just losing the TOWs and treads but from what I recall, and am reading, by this time it seems like the US didn’t really have a light tank. So if I want any kind of tank support, it’s either: field the comically over-gunned Abrams (any Abrams variant to be honest), (which is fun to watch it explode T-34s just by glaring at them, but It’s a lot of army points to field against such a small threat), the aging M60’s, but those are still expensive, or to press-gang some Bradleys to stand-in for light tank duty (which they can… kinda do, sorta), or make do without. I mean, I know the M551 Sheridan was technically still in service, but even by the 80’s it was largely relegated to national guard and reserve units, and even then they weren’t so much being “used” as being kept in the back of the garage and aggressively ignored.

Am I forgetting anything? Or is there something else I’m forgetting?

>>95805172
>Fokker EIs
I've been playing a few Il-2 Flying Circus campaigns with PWCG and I have to say I fucking hate the Eindeckers. You start with E.IIIs on all the fighter battalions and they're painful to fly. Wing warping is total shit. What rules are you going to use?

>>95802768
Eh, I think you can blame Hollywood for creating that mindset. Tank props are expensive so a studio is naturally going to be very conservative about how many at a time and how often said tank is going to appear in their war movie. Thus creating the false-impression that tanks aren’t that numerous and don’t cluster together into large groups.

>>95805434
>Il-2 Flying Circus
I play the fuck out of that, and also try to play Wings Over Flanders fields. Having flown both the eindecker and moraine in these two sims I honestly agree. They're very frustrating awful planes to fly, I just find that period in early air war very fascinating. Personally, I prefer to fly the Pfalz DIIIa and the Siemens-Schuckert D.IV. That fuckin D.IV. It took a while to get a hang of but I really love that little bastard. I wish WOFF worked better, but I can't fly for shit in it which is a shame because it has so many rare warbirds you never see in any other sims.

As for rules, I haven't decided yet. I've got FFoL StarFighters which I might just trim down and tweak for some simple dogfights. I'm open to suggestions however. Right now I'm just trying out airplane wargaming for the first time, I hope to get a big pile of autism later. So many airplanes. So many possibilities.

>>95804991
The likelihood of me ever buying more than a couple of boxes per side for any 28mm game ever again is very, very low. It's a good personal restriction like not buying more than 1 board game expansion.

Last time I broke that rule I ended up with an e,barrassing whale stash lol

>>95805650
>I just find that period in early air war very fascinating.
Same and I like starting the campaigns from the earliest date. That first year can be rough though. The AI isn't great but their planes are way more manurable and those F.E.2b guns fuck my squadrons up.

>>95806348
If you like early war action, I will honestly recommend you look up Wings Over Flanders Fields, but I will do so with a massive asterisk.

84 flyable aircraft, over 500 joinable squadrons, all thoroughly researched with something like 7000 skins, a start date in 1915 with early war flyable airplanes such as the Aviatik C.I, Morane "Parasol" and Bristol scout with offset lewis, plus all the fokker E type, the Moraine N and others. The game is beautiful though not up to IL2 Flying circus levels in graphics, but most importantly the campaign plays like someone took PWCC and made a proper game out of it. Also, imo the AI is better than the AI in flying circus.

The problems with it is that flying is fucking hard. Really hard. Even with the easy flight model set, as the 2 devs have really leaned into crunchy realism. Furthermore, you're going to have to bind everything by hand if you have your own HOTAS and stick setup and the game can be kinda cranky doing so. I use some programs, vJoy, hithide, and joystick gremlin to run my joystick and trottle quadrant for it, and it works well, but there's just a lot of set up involved to get it running. Thankfully the game does recognize track IR.

Despite bemoaning it in my previous post, really the problem I have with it is myself as a pilot. It is a gem, just a really fucking hard gem and kind of a rough one. I think I've only put about 40 hours into it since I got it, and I've got 3 kills. It's hard to fly, it's hard to kill, it's easy to die, but I recommend at least looking it up.

>>95806644
I've heard of it but never have played. I was going to say I've been spoiled by VR and will have a hard time going back to a flat game but it looks like people managed to get VR working in it. What I really want is more games like VTOL VR, which has a fully interactable VR cockpit. It's simplified from IRL and I'm more into historical planes but it's an experience you can't really get elsewhere.

>>95806782
I enjoy il2 in VR as well, I didn't know you could get WOFF running in it, how do people go about doing that? As far as I know the only clickable cockpit flight sim that I'm aware of is DCS world, but I've never tried it.

>>95806829
There's programs now to run flat games in VR. Not as good as tailormade mods or VR modes usually but they work. Look up Vorpx. That's the one I saw someone say they were able to get Wings over Flanders running in.

>>95804802
99% of people build home made terrain out of cardboard, popsicle sticks, paper, foam and paint it.

For example I built wooden fences out of popsicle sticks and wheat fields out of painted strips of paper glued to a cardboard square. I made houses out of foam, cardboard and popsicle sticks. I supplement this with plastic trees glued to card board bases to represent woods and jungles and I bought some stone walls and river terrain pieces. gives you a good chunk of variety.

>>95804225
>One thing I think about is particularly in WW2 you have so much documentation suggesting tank crews are nipping in and out of the tank constantly to fix something, check what's going on properly, chuck someone a cheese sandwich and have a chat and mostly - everybody jumping out wuick sticks because we think we may be on fire. Even though Shermans were a bit skft from some angles, the crews got consumately good at leaping out if they thought they had been hit. Tank crew survival rate was really high. So if I was in WW2 and had to fight, I would like to have been a tanker.
That shows that the Bailed Out mechanic in FoW is spot on.

>>95808370
I quite like fow fwiw
It makes people big mad here but idk I guess I'm just a casual player

>>95804802
>it seems that almost everyone who plays miniature wargames has some 3D terrain for play, and all the terrain features are glued and you can't change anything
Most people I know have modular terrain: buildings/hegdes/walls/hills that aren't glued to the table and can be rearranged into whatever formation you want

Looking at building out my British 8th Army for Bolt Action. Any good books I could read about the 8th Army's exploits? Historical novels or nonfiction, both make good inspiration. I'm looking for ideas of what to include beyond Matilda tanks to give it an 8th Army feel.

>>95808700
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Carrier

>>95808765
The Warlord kit of the Bren was my second purchase for these guys, yes. >>95794679

I wonder if my FDM printer can make decent looking ones or if I need to get them from my resin guy.

>>95808788
You may want to look into scout/armored cars if you haven't. They were used quite a bit there.

>>95808788
Minor update: Found the wargame3d M3 Lee model, which is free, so I'll try printing that to see how their models behave in my printer. The website claims FDM friendly but that's not guarantee...

>>95808853
I got the plastic Warlord Humber from the Gentleman's War box set, so I'm probably good there for now. Good idea though. And I'm definitely considering some SAS jeeps

>>95808700
Which campaign? North Africa or Italy? My grandpa was with the 8th in Italy and I can recommend a few books about that campaign.

>>95808874
Am thinking North Africa to start, though I understand there's a lot of cross compatibility

Post models bros. Here is an early Renaissance/Italian wars foot knight from Steel Fist Miniatures.

I highly recommend them if you are interested in the period. Great castings, quick shipping.

The cool part about their knights is that their armor is sculpted to resemble real historical pieces that can be seen in museums today. Their German Peasant War range is great if you want to do some revolt/uprising wargaming set in the late 15- early 16th centuries.

Here is one of the footknights. This guy is wearing a common set up from the period, likely would be a less wealthy or younger knight/mercenary. Very utilitarian set up, designed to be effective in battle and comparatively quick to manufacture compared to the great statement pieces of the period.

post models bros

>>95808700
If you want some really good minis check out offensive miniatures. Their elite range is great. Has a whole bunch of rarer stuff too like Hitler Youth, Volkssturm etc. very characterful minis. I've heard people say they are a good match scalewise for warlord but I can't confirm it myself. I can tell you that the minis are way, way nicer and far better sculpts than anything WL is churning out. Here's one of the vehicles they offer

>>95809147
Hot off the build plate and in need of cleanup but I just printed this M3 turret. Rest of the tank will be ready when I wake up.

>>95809186
Augh

>>95809181
Thanks for the recommendation, I'll check them out.

Anyone know a good way to do long flowing banners? specifically the two long flowing left ones on the right page here. Ive printed out more retangular banners before on plain printer paper and just glued them on, But IDK about these longer ones. Maybe back them with tinfoil?

ALso, do you know where I can find high quality images of them on line? the ones in the guide are made out of a thicker laminated card stock material, so I dont think its a good idea to cut them out to use.

>>95808431
it makes people mad becuase its completely unbalanced so all the realism it sacrifices just ends up being not even worth it.

i love when my infantry hiding behind my tank can be shot by machineguns but cant see the enemy shooting them to shoot back.

>>95809147
touching up some stuff I did ages ago before I varnish them and put grass on the base
think I will put NCOs or maybe a couple skirmishers on these individual bases, with a dice frame on the other side so the unit frontage is 12cm
a shame that most of the casualty figures are a bit too big to fit on an individual base, though I could put them on a deeper one with a single dice frame perhaps

>>95805422
I don’t know if a Bradley is a good substitute for a light tank either

Anyone had the chance to try Strength and Honour? Been out for a while now, interested in some thoughts.

am watching a game of saga to see how it is played, and it seems really... gamey.

like the mechanics are really removed from an abstraction of warfare to this game of distributing points to abilities. like really, what is "one unit on your side gets to remove a fatigue when your enemy charges" supposed to represent?

>>95810764
Isn't it some kind of inspiration, when one of your units is charging?

What is the best primer technique for 10mm minis with regular paint (not contrast)?
Black, grey, white...?

>>95811476
tech...nique?

isnt the same regardless of what you do? dont hold it too close, move in even motions, two thin coats is better then one over thich one, move in zig zags for coverage.

>>95811535
>Black, grey, white...?
NTA but that suggests to me maybe the guy is asking for more specific advice on what works well for the undercoat colour, not some rubbish about how to hold a rattlecan
honestly blows my mind how useless answers are here but particularly on /hwg/ where people seem to be playing a game as to how much they can misinterpret a question without obviously stonewalling

>>95811476
Sorry, if I had small models I'd help

>>95810764
SAGA is straight up ass and I firmly believe that all the people suggesting it have never actually played it. SAGA was one of the first Darl Ages games that caught on, so I feel like it became the "go to" game people suggested without actually knowing what's it's like. Pillage is releasing any day now from Victrix and looks to be a good fun game for Dark Ages, give that a look.

>>95810090
>>95811605

FoW and Saga are both pretty fun as games, but they wear their historical trappings very lightly as set dressing. They are games set within historical wars, and can give you a fun evening's play. They are not historical wargames and will not give you either a detailed simulation, nor an encapsulation of the experience of command.

Neither is necessarily "good" or "bad", but they do a different thing to what some of the posters here want.

>>95811604
>guy is asking for more specific advice on what works well for the undercoat colour

Yes, that was my query.
Sorry if I was not clear, I'm not an english native.

>>95811476
depends how you paint
Black works best for block painting or whatever it's called, like in >>95810119 and is far less time consuming, but you might need more than one layer of a colour. You can also do a white drybrush over it
I've painted in white and grey primer before as well and would say white is better than grey since you want the colours to really come out and be bright at this scale
pic related was painted grey with normal acrylics, but any new 10mm stuff I now paint is in white and using speedpaints, look way better imo

>>95811604
>>95811663
Sorry, "technique" implies to me "HOW" you are doing something, not "WHAT" you use.

>>95811661
Im fine with saga not being completely realistic/simulationist, its just that it seems REALLY abstracted from the feeling (not necissarily reality) of warfare broadly ment. Hell, I feel that Warhammer fantasy battles or Mordheim did a better job portraying moral and fighting, and thats fantasy.

>>95811663
It was perfectly clear, but I'll put it this way: I now instinctively use legalese phrasing and overexplanation when asking questions online and it's primarily because of years being worn down by /hwg/, same reason why I'm openly frustrated instead of being overly polite

>>95811891
"Technique" may "imply" something else to you, but the rest of the post is pretty clear
Is reading comprehension just really poorly taught these days or something?

>>95812012
nah, you're right, I just read the first sentence.

>>95810119
Those are cute AF Anon.

>>95811476
I prefer black, for max contrast between colours, and because I hate missing small dots and have white showing through.

Printed M3 came out okay

Has someone experienced something like dark brown instead of black for the undercoat of miniatures especially for epic scale?

>>95814491
Maybe unrelated because its fantasy, but i used a black, followed by brown spraycan primer on my 10mm beastmen. They got a drybrush with lighter browns/dust colour and then i picked out the metallic bits and some cloth and bone/horns here and there and the rest of them remaind in the brown + brown/sepia washes.
But them being brown goatmen helps i guess.

>>95811605
I actually do play Saga from time to time.
It's fun, but it is NOT a realistic historic game, nor did it ever mean to be one.
See it as replaying a Viking Saga / medieval / antique myth where heroes do their superhuman stuff, then it makes more sense.

>>95810764
Saga is less of an actual battle and more of a retelling by few guys bullshitting each other around a fire.

>>95814491
Used it a couple of times on 10mm and found that it doesn't really make any difference to black especially at a distance, but that could just be my painting style

>>95815636
Have you used some kind of wash or just regular paint in your process?

working on some stakes for my archers while waiting for some materials to come in to continue work on my army proper.

>>95814491
I usually use beige and it works very well, a good earthy natural tone

Is anyone going to HISTORICON next month? I just signed up for a few games. I'm hoping some are those amazing thematic huge convention games you see, but the descriptions are vague. Hopefully the games I joined don't look like ass. Time will tell!

Is V for Victory a good alternative to Bolt Action?

>>95817280
Wat did you sign up to play?

>>95818675
Some battle for Ukraine game in 15mm and a Samurai game with like a 15 foot table

>>95812868
The motor pool grows

>>95795112
Thanks but I can see why it doesn't get done anymore, it's a surprising amount of work. I'm time rich at the moment though, I work in tourism and it's winter where I am. I had reasons for sticking around rather than working a northern on-season.

>>95819681
Printed Carrier compares well with the Warlord one. I'm gonna do a whole historical Carrier Platoon. Two with machine guns, one with a Boys AT rifle, one with a mortar.

Does anyone here have experience with 28mm ADLG? Seems my local group are on the fence when it comes to basing, some want to do more traditional 60mm, others want to go with what the book suggests (80mm). 60mm seems comfy and helps with amplifying table size, but some figures (especially Victrix) don't fit so tightly and we might end up with 2 knights on each base instead of 3, which looks a bit silly

>>95811661
nah flames of war sucks as a game thats the problem.

the line of sight rules are iffy, army balance is bad overall for both mid and late war. germans and americans have retarded OP spam lists and soviets are damn near unplayable in any capacity even casually.

a good example is M3 lees in midwar. american ones are hit on 3+ and have stabilizers giving them 2 shots on the move while soviet M3 lees are hit on 2+ and have no stabilizer yet they cost the same points despite the soviet one having no upside.

building two forces with the WGA Great War kits (just one box each). Super nice to build and fun to play Trench Hammer with. Waiting on a printed Mark IV to come in the mail.

>>95820355
Closeup of two dudes.

>>95819978
>basing autism, post #362728292

Personally I think tighter with fewer figures is fine. I don't like big bases. One wave of your hand and a whole bunch of arms can get knocked off lol

>>95820355
In love with this

>>95819978
>muh lists

Just play hex and counter if you want simulationism. Too many let perfect be the enemy of good. You didn't drink six beers playing Flames of War so it sucked.

>>95820362
they look pretty effective

What is your opinion about these rules and Wargame Atlantic set?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qauxQRe7Hzw

>>95821129
Anon are you drunk?
">muh lists

Just play hex and counter if you want simulationism. Too many let perfect be the enemy of good. You didn't drink six beers playing Flames of War so it sucked."

Seems like you meant to reply to me here >>95820333
also being 6 beers deep to have to enjoy flames of war is a shit idea too because the soviet player will lose even harder and why the fuck do I need to go play hex and counter because I dare want the slightest semblance of balance in my casual game that forgos all historical accuracy in the name of balance?

Flames of War dick rides germany so hard that a front armor 5 tank hunter with 28" AT 12 as the soviets is 12 points while a front armor 5 tank hunter for the germans with 48" AT 20 is fucking 9 points in mid war. The game is unplayable without dynamic points and only barely tolerable with them.

Is Warlord having Chinese children in sweatshops sculpt their minis?

>>95824089
Didn't they purchase the landsknecht molds from some other company years ago?

>>95824089
What the fuck am I looking at??

>>95824089
>Is Warlord having Chinese children in sweatshops sculpt their minis?

Who doesn't nowadays.

>>95824114
This are Reislaufer, apparently.

>>95824217
Was there other difference than that Landsknechten came from German states and Reisläufer from Swiss ones?

>>95824343
Very broadly speaking, the Reislaufer were more medieval (so less firearms and more crossbows and halberds), and Landsknecht were more flamboyantly dressed, and used Zweihanders and firearms a lot more. Their tactics were mostly the same, Landsknect having just copied Reislaufer tactics.

>>95824114
Nah, these are new in-house sculpts.

>>95824428
That's actually interesting.

In your opinion, which size helicopter looks more true scale, correct size for 28mm models? Top or bottom? I don't care which size you think is more convenient for a 6x4 table, which looks more realistically sized in relation to the humans next to it?

>>95826849
Not knowledgeable about helicopters but I'd say the bigger one.

>>95826849
Probably the second one, helicopters are pretty big unless it's one of those tiny ass Hughes that we used in vietnam.

>>95826849
Damn I need to get into ultra modern, this looks sick

What are the best options for WW2 japaneses and marines in 15 or 28mm?

>>95824173
Some of the stuff coming from China doesn't look nowhere near as bad as these.

I know this is /hwg/ buuuuuuuut

Is there a historical wargame that supports "Weird War" well? Like maybe even has an expansion for weird war stuff?
I am making some Trench Crusade miniatures in 28mm scale and if the game is a failure in popularity then I'd still like to use the miniatures I made for it.

>>95828224
Konflikt 47 is relaunching soon. Plastic kits and all.

Anyone got the pdf for armies of germany for BA 3ed?

>>95828763
>pdf for armies of germany for BA 3ed
https://social.mtdv.me/Bolt-Action-v3-GermansSHARE

>>95828824
Not him but this was useful, thanks.

>>95828824
Thanks anon, just what I was looking for

>>95824433
they seem to have at the moment three sculptors, polish guy who's good, guy that can only sculpt in 32mm scale (and his stuff is 50/50) and the newest guy who as you can see is not very good.

>>95829034
The weirdest thing about it is that its metal, and not some more of their resin models.

>>95829307
that means they were probably made a while ago and just now getting a release, warlord STILL haven't released the entirety of the paul hicks siege of malta sculpts despite acquiring them literally almost a full decade ago.

At least now with them finally seeming to give up on 2000ad they might concentrate on their own lines...or they may just redo it a third time.

>>95828241
Oh that sounds nice!
Thanks anon! I’m also open to other weird war games.

my favorite guy so far

>>95829692
Very nice but you have his coat of arms backwards. The trois lion and fleur de lis squares should swap places. I do love a raised visor though

>>95829692
Wouldn't have it been better to use black wash on the armor rather than brown?

>>95829897
Not him, but I like the look of brown earthy tones more than black. I personally use a purple/brown wash myself and I like how it looks

>>95829897
most of my knight models do use black wash, but I was experimenting with brown due to bronze highlights and maybe trying to imply an evening lighting. I think the implication of warmer lighting came out well, but yes, generally go for black
>>95829852
Thanks! Henry the 5ths is that pattern though as per >>95809401

I also like the raised visor look

>>95830160
Yes mate I know it's Henry V. It's backwards. The flag you used as a reference has two sides, one is reversed because it's meant to go on the reverse side of a banner, like how the cost of arms on the back of Henry's tabard would be reversed. You put the reverse side on the front. You should have painted the side circled here

>>95830230
oh no, im retarded!

I guess its his little known bastard brother, Menry the miffed.

thinking about expanding my Warlord era China stuff and using some of the figures for some late Qing era shenanigans, will get a few generic European adventurers

>>95830283
Who cares knights look good
Already more effort than most
I don't see people chewing out Mel Gibson for his biscuit tin Bannockburn

>>95830283
>oh no, im retarded!
>I guess its his little known bastard brother, Menry the miffed.

Soory guy, but now, you should only post on /awg

>>95830579
He did more research than you, Mr Ak47 Republic

>>95828212
What are those and who makes them?

>>95830283
On the topic of historical inaccuracy started on the arm sheild I was talking about here:>>95803938


that specific design seemed kind of intimidating, So I am starting to paint this other scrollwork I have on one of my tea cups.

Are there any online retailers located in the USA that aren't charging scalper prices for Victrix minis?

>>95831492
Why not just buy directly from Victrix?

>>95831773
That's what I do. The way they operate it makes more sense a lot of the time. Way cheaper

>>95831045
I think its looking pretty good!

What level of unhinged do I need to be to play Red Strike? The game looks neat but as the rulebook states it's not for the faint of heart.

>>95832555
Go to /awg
The Reds were peaceful, the strike could only come from the american imperialists.

>>95832507
>its looking pretty good!
Yep

>>95832693
tryhard

>>95830882
Unreleased 28mm Ming miniatures by Register Militum Miniatures, though they haven't provided any information on their facebook or bilibili page.

What a Cowboy pdf?

>>95832705
dank u

>>95833100
https://mega.nz/folder/gRZ0SZwa#k7aczOwz4JHxs8wUwrojBQ

I never want to read anyone of you absolute gay nigger mongoloid kikes shit on Warlord anymore! I primed some of their Onna Bugeisha today as well as some Ashigaru from Footsore and those last dude straight up have blob for faces. Warlord figurines are LEAGUES above.

Asking for some help with some bolt action stuff (im a bit of a new comer to BA)
What options does germany even have for command vehicles? i have the pdf up and ive looked through multiple times but im still not sure if im missing something or if germany just doesnt have that many

Mounted knights came in. with them I will have a full army.

I already got a sprew of 12 light infantry, now once everything is together I will have:
3 blocks of archers
1 block of foot knights
1 block of light infantry
1 block of mixed knights and light infantry,
1 block of heavy cav
1 block of light/archer cav

60 models total.

>>95833535
I generally have a really good experienxe with Warlord.

>can take or leave Siocast
>they are getting expensive and some of the older sculpts could use an update
>we didn't need a proprietary scale, although you get pretty much what you need in one of those boxes

But on average a Warlord starter set is like fucking Christmas to me.

The games work, I like to do a little house ruling with Blackpowder and start eith the artillery but otherwise they are good club games where everyone brings a battalion and support.

Ultimately I always feel a little uneasy spending all that time working on figures just to single base em.

>>95833751
Awesome.

>>95833751
First nonpainted heavy cav built.

Wonder how ill paint it. if I do it separately, man and mount, I dont have any greenstuff to attack the guy to a stick. though maybe pure Elmer's will work.

>>95792450
you heard him folks! The long-standing tradition of hwg imaginations and alternate history scenarios is over!

>>95800998
28mm late cold war Americans is a strange gap in the market ive found actually. For how many people wiggle their nuts to cold war gone hot, youd think there'd be more stuff out there

Anyone know where I can get 28mm black niggas with AKs? Thinking about doing a black hawk down game and need lots

>>95833454
You are amazing

>>95835372
Eureka miniatures has somali gunmen in their modern section

>>95794679
You should paint your rims.

>>95836277
>You should paint your rims.
Yes, rimjob should never be neglected

Will my desire to run an accurate to the T/O platoon of Universal Carriers (one 3" mortar, one Boys, two machine guns) in Bolt Action lead to my downfall because I'll be spending 300ish points on 7+ armor open topped vehicles with mediocre armor?

>>95835278
In my experience, Cold War Gone Hot falls off heavily in the 70s because that's the point where it becomes super clear that the US wins any realistic matchup.

>>95833751
good job lad enjoying your posts

Just ordered a small amount of late 17th c. stuff to have a game of En Garde. A few musketeers and dragoons, couple of cavalry and an officer, gonna get some pirates to go against them

>>95837404
Could you give some details about manufacturer(s)?

>>95836277
I'll go back and redo all the rims once I've got the next 20ish troops painted.

Experimented with Caunter camo overnight.

>>95837470
musketeer stuff is from gripping beast (front rank)
pirates will be from wargames foundry
probably gonna buy some victorian/interwar adventurers there as well for my late qing/warlord era chinese stuff

>>95837524
The armoured car looks nice although I've often seen Caunter with blue-r shades; however I'm sorry to say but the tanks don't look great. I don't know how to preserve the rivet detail, but the flat panels really need some kind of filling or sanding. Or consider a finer resolution, likely a Resin 3dP. FDM printing is not working for you here.

>>95837555
It's more a game and excuse to read about history for me. I don't mind the models being visibly FDM prints. I also wouldn't mind if they were paper chits.

>>95837555
Absolutely no need for them to go resin printing. FDM printing can achieve flat panel detail at that scale just fine, they're just either using an older printer that can't achieve that detail or they've not bothered refining their print settings to get rid of that visible layer line.

Do you know a good reference for weapons and armors evolution in western middle age.
Something that allows you to differentiate between men at arms of the 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th and 15th centuries?

>>95792297
A series of modular hills, has a cliffside bunker option, I've printed other hill sections but not the bunker but looks nice:
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3094546

Normandy pillbox with options for AA emplacement on top:
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1506985/files

I look forward to my tiny 6mm WWI airplanes arriving. It's been surprisingly hard to find any tiny WWI birds let alone very early war ones. I've got a bunch of fancy flight stands coming along with
No. 4 Squadron RFC
-3 Moraine Saulnier N scouts
-3 Nieuport 11 scouts
-2 B.E.2c two seaters
Feldflieger Abteilung 62
-3 Fokker Eindecker (can be I/II/III) scouts
-3 Halberstad D.II scouts
-Aviatik BI/II/CI two seaters

Plus a mixed bag of unidentified aircraft from an unknown maker, though I think they're Heroics&Ros from eBay, only because it clearly has 3 Etrich-Rumpler Taube two seaters. I don't really have a use for the Taube as they're long retired by June 1915. But, fuck it I love this weird little seed inspired airplane. I'm not sure what the other airplanes are in the lot. I think albatross DII/III and Roland CII, but some of the wings have scalloped edges and could be AEG C.IVs. The eBay photo sucks and none of the planes are put together.

I haven't been this excited over nonsense in a long time.

I think the ones circled in blue are Roland CII based off being 2 seaters, and the shapes of their tails. Plus there are wings that look to have an MG mounted on top of them. I think the green ones are albatross. They're clearly one seaters, have the right looking tail structure and might have the side mounted radiators that were on the DII. I can't really tell from the struts on some of the available wings. The ones in red, I just can't figure out. I'm pretty sure these are H&R like I said above given that there's the Taubes, I've tried comparing them to H&Rs catalog with limited success. Those assholes don't have any product photos on their website.

My curretn 100 year war english army.

My foot troops are all but done. I MIGHT make 1 more block of mixed knights and lighter infantry, but I think as is 1 foot knight and 1 light infantry is fine. Completely finished the 24 foot archers in the box though (3 blocks worth).
.
Built a few of the cav, but need to make more and paint. think they look like they are coming together now!

>>95840304
>I think the green ones are albatross. They're clearly one seaters, have the right looking tail structure and might have the side mounted radiators that were on the DII.
The shape of the rudders don't fit at all for an Albatros one-seater. Closer to a Pfalz, but still not spot on, i would say.

>>95840970
Hmmm, I haven't been positive because of the rudder. I can't tell if the rudder has the dramatic round curve of a Pfalz from the photos though. Also the the circle green have a bit more pronounced horizontal stabilizer/elevator than on the Pfalz.

Also anon, that's a DV in your pic. The DII has a flat edge to its rudder.

But the elevators still don't match even a DII, I retract my previous statements on the tail structures looking correct.

>>95840970
Having gone through my ancient big book on WWI airplanes I fully agree with you that those in green are no species of Albatross.

I really have no idea what they are. I've looked up all of H&Rs german airplanes and can't find anything that fits that tail. Maybe they're not German and I'm looking in the wrong country.

Been thinking of making a Liao/Khitan army, interesting history is the main driver. Problem is I have no idea what to use it for, any recommendations+ideas aside from Essex minis or the one stl bunch of Khitans to use? Cheers

more like historical WHORE games.

>>95841505
Closest would be the various Mongol ranges just with slightly different helmets.

>>95840309

With what rules?

>>95840309
Holy shit, you've been working hard on this. I feel like the medieval period is the best for this sort of thing of painting one, two, or three minis at a time. For more uniform periods sometimes it's good to batch paint, and therefore it is a more daunting task. Either way, amazing determination, anon

By the way, what games use 40x40mm basing (for 28mm minis) apart from Swordpoint? I think Hail Caesar is also workable with that, as well as Impetus, but the DBA style games are out, right?

>>95847527
Thanks! Its been a really nice experience so far, a lot of work though Like you said.
And yes! it being medieval and so varied has been a real boast to my volition to do it, since when a new color design comes to mind I can immediately go and try it.. Really staves off burn out.

>By the way, what games use 40x40mm basing (for 28mm minis)
DESU I use them cause I already had them to display rpg miniatures. It just so happens that 24 and 16 are divisible by 8. I didnt even know about swordpoint thanks! but yah, was thinking about hail ceaser. But also the little known Middle earth stratage game large battle system also uses trays of 8 and I liked the one video out there that has played it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wQUIuFlasU&t=46s
I might rebase So I can play oathmark or lion rampant or something else at some point as well (I like games where you take away minis, more tactile that way)


Here is my current progress on my first mounted man at arms. im especially happy with how the lance maypole design came out, cut a sliver of masking tap to make the candy cane design. not finished yet, but got most of the base colors in place.

>>95848947
almost done. wanted to use a black wash proper for the knight himself, but could only find my brown wash. Do have a wash coming in the mail, so I will redo then.

There used to be an anon who was complaining about Aventine renewing its figure ranges and fucking up a couple of years ago. Do we have something like that? I want to know if it's still worth it to buy their Republican Roman range or not. Some of the commander figures seem a bit rough, honestly, like they're sort of blobby or less detailed, especially clothing, legs, arms... Maybe I should go with Victrix instead, the issue is that Victrix's miniatures are a bit TOO static. I don't really like the regular action poses of its figures, but in this case they're static and a bit robotic too. Thoughts?

The good news is that Aventine is now operating with new owners, so the minis are not lost, at least.

Which Vellejo green do I use for 6mm british CW vehicle camo?

>>95853710
an orange one

I should probably be asking this in /awg/ but I don't trust them to give good recommendations for Historicals, anyway, I'm on the hunt for a 28mm Medieval(ish) skirmish game to use for battles in the ASOIAF setting. I'm currently considering Baron's War and Pillage and would love to hear anyone's thoughts on these systems and/or recommendations for others.

>>95855036
If you're already not worried about historical accuracy, and you're looking for a 28mm skirmish game, what about Saga - probably using Age of Chivalry? You could also mix in Vikings for the men from north of the Wall, and Age of Crusades for eastern type forces (Yunkai, Mereen, etc)

>>95855066
I used to play a lot of Saga, but I'm not a huge fan of how it plays mechanically, feels a bit too abstract and gamey.

>>95855036
Fistful of Lead, FFoL Bigger Battles, FFoL might and magic, etc etc. nice smooth mechanics, the ability to customize and stat your guys how you want them, ability to field as small or big groups as you want. Etc.

>>95841440
Roland D.II maybe?

>>95856253
What an ugly bird, I kinda love it. That would be cool and the tail structures seem to match. I'll find out for sure when they arrive tomorrow.

I also noticed some of the pairs of wings are sesquiplane wings. I don't know any German airplanes with lower wings that more narrow than the upper wings other than the Pfalz D.IIIa.

I'm making some bold assumptions that these tiny airplanes are mostly accurate to the actual airplanes they represent. But soon I'll know.

Got this osprey book for me while making my 100 years war army. good for looking at anglo-frankish designs and general info.

>>95857125
trying to make an imperial eagle.

>>95855550
>d8s and playing cards
>medieval fantasy set is spread over three books

FFOL has good cover design and that's about it.

>>95853710
Something like Reflective/Refractive Green, or Luftwaffe Green for such small scale models will help them "pop" more.

>>95858421
work on mounted archer

>>95857125
Add a model with a raised arm so it looks like they're all floating under his telekinetic powers.

Didnt see anyone post this but apparently warlord dropped a preorder already for the plastic autoblinda? Also apparently theyre dropping a random US transport truck in plastic too
Not really complaining but its odd to see them drop these without anything else coinciding (except the winter british releases, but that ties in even less)
Looks like i might be starting some of my italian army a bit before their major release (holding out for some plastic paracadutisti and a plastic p40 that could maybe be a dual kit with another one of the semovente's )

>>95832555
anon you should know by now no one here actually plays games. Its just fags jerking each other off over models that will never see action and retards arguing about rules that will never be played.

>>95859442
Funny that you mentioned that...

I was making mister dramatic anyways.

>>95859959
another loser clutching to the idea that they're special for playing wargames because you've got fuck all else
Just because nobody has played that one specific board wargame doesn't mean everyone but you is nogaems you annoying sperg cunt

>>95858601
I'm sorry you feel that way. I love FFoL, I've been playing it for over 6 years. It's my go to rule set for quick games or esoteric projects where I won't find other rules for, and I find it a good foundation to build autism on top of. I could give you the first medieval fantasy pdf, I never got the others because the era doesn't interest me.
>d8s
>d10s
>d12s
>How terrible.

>>95860192
oh look a hobby fag with no friends. Must suck not having people to play games with. IMAGINE being reduced to posting pictures of poorly painted minis for validation on a Vietnamese underwater basket weaving image board.

>>95860701
I had most of the books (namely bigger battles, core, horse and musket, sci fi, starships and the fantasy ones) and the custom cards. No thanks. Don't like the rules nor the imprint.

>>95861520
call you out and so you imagine you're special even harder
you're a desperately sad piece of shit, go suck yourself off in private you freak

>>95861520
>>95861933
/hwg/ having a normal one as usual

Boys fwiw my painting sucks and nobody I know irl wants to play army mans with me but I effortpost anyway because I like the hobby as much as I get a chance to do it. I helped a lot of others get going in theirs and they display the same attitude you are now, to my regret.

>>95861951
>/hwg/ having a normal one as usual
>I helped a lot of others get going in theirs and they display the same attitude you are now, to my regret.
I was calling somebody out for giving themselves a medal for being a gamer just because other posters didn't know this one particular board wargame
fags on this board wanna think they're special for playing wargames because they've got fuck all else and it's pathetic behaviour
disagree with me? whatever, let's have a dialogue, because you're not the only one here """""effortposting""""" you faggot
articulate what you think I did wrong and stop vagueposting like an effeminate bitch

>>95861980
Yeah this is what I mean.
Americans shouldn't be allowed to wargame. It's not for them. Too psycho. Too anti intellectual and anti social.

Put the toys in the bag.

>>95861983
>continues being passive aggressive
>starts raving about Americans out of nowhere
if you refuse to be direct, when asked to be, on a zero stakes forum, what does that say about your (lack of) character? I want to see you actually effortpost: I've got some long shifts at work coming up, you write the next OP

If you're too dim to understand what my issue with the other poster is, you should keep out of it

>>95855550
>>95860701
Thanks for the rec! System looks interesting and unlike that other anon the playing card and d8 aspect looks pretty cool to me. If you do have the PDF that'd be great, saves me digging around in Troves for it

>>95862008
You can't really explain what your problem is without shitting your pants. You do this a lot. /hwg/ is worse for your being here, Tourettes and all. You're simply not interesting enough to be that ill mannered. It's a typical autist shit test.

>>95862182
I guess I can't post pdfs anymore? I haven't been active here in a while. I'll find a way to upload it.

>>95862816
>I guess I can't post pdfs anymore?
>he doesn't know

>>95862957
Yeah I've been away since January or February. I see what happened, the big hack, got it. Alright plan B.

>>95860174
>That was your last treachery Perfidious Albion! May your children bear rotten teeth and unfathomable smiles for the eons to come.
Truly his curse is still going hard even today as we speak. What an incredible man.

really liking the imperial Black and yellow. Its fun transitioning to mounted knights, a lot more space to work with for designs and colors

>>95863340
Paint that tuff under the front hooves as fire and I forgive you for painting with a highlighter. I'm a big fan of your nerves and guts anon but this time you've been pushing the shit test too far.

>>95862287
It's 4chan, if posters are being dickheads I am freely able to tell them such and I choose to do so, it's way less effeminate than your passive-aggressive faggotry
if you don't like it, there's plenty of forums out there you can be using instead; and be banned from, because, face it, you love pretending your shit doesn't stink but I've cottoned on to who you are and out of the two of us you're the one people have given an unflattering nickname to, not me

>>95863363
Well its not done anon. I still need to clean up and add a wash (which will mellow out the yellow out).
Besides, it supposed to be bright its medieval. maybe ill mellow it out with ochre yellow too.

So I'm getting into bolt action as my first "historical game" and I'm playing Japan. One of the options you can take is IJA troops armed with bamboo spears as a sort of late war last ditch weapon. Is there any historicity to this? I know about the Volunteer Fighting Corps, but did IJA Regulars ever actually use bamboo spears? Were things really that grim?

>>95864020
Yes actually. The first instance that I know of is at Attu in Alaska in 1943, where Colonel Yasuyo Yamasaki's suicide banzi charge was mostly equipped with bayonets lashed to poles. Later in 1944 a similar spear armed charge happened on Saipan with almost 3000 spear armed japs, and later still on Okinawa there was another spear armed charge at Bloody Ridge, but only with a few hundred solders. Marines in the Philippines actually recovered documents detailing how to manufacture spears and how to best fight with them, stating things such as stabbing the chest was not very effective due to the presence of the ribs, but stabbing in the belly was better. As far as I know these bamboo spears were less sharpened bamboo and more bamboo with a bayonet on the end of it, but none the less it did happen and was documented, just in very small numbers.

>>95864020
Fuck no, they made guns with bamboo stocks for civilians on the home islands but those never saw service.

Bolt action just adds a lot of retarded untrue history memes like that. Soviets can also take infantry without any guns even though the Mosin Nagant and PPSH-41 are the most mass produced rifle and smg ever by that point in time.

Japan made over 10 million Ariskas and their peak army size was like 5 million men

Can't sleep working on a new OP rather than recycling OP's Naseby for the fourth time

Imperial eagle? more like imperial crow.

>>95864182
>>95864020

>>95864020
Note how this one looks like a rifle, but upon closer inspection is infact just the stock.

>>95864020

>>95864182
>even though the Mosin Nagant and PPSH-41 are the most mass produced rifle and smg
People vaguely know about foreign aid like lend-lease but they have no understanding about what kind materials were actually sent. Movies have tricked them into thinking that they were getting shipments of Russian small arms as opposed to train cars, factory equipment, radios, and materials like steel. I don't know what the first instance in media is of the "1 man has a rifle and 4 men carry stripper clips behind" meme is but Enemy at the Gates is the first one I remember. I think some games did it after that, too.

Any good modern ranges of minis? I'm thinking modern factions, US, terrorists, whatever.

>>95864195
Didn't get it finished before getting sleepy again but if people want to wait until I clock off in about 8 hours I'll have a new OP

>>95863375
You should post about /hwg/ instead of whatever tism this is

1st image

>>95864020
Bolt Action provides options for "what if" campaigns like the Home Guard being there in case you want to do a German invasion of Britain(which they have a whole campaign book for) or an Allied invasion of Japan.

>>95864529
I think one of the early Call of Duty games did the "one rifle to five men, follow the man in front of you!" thing, with the player as the last of five, so you watched four other guys get it before you even picked up a rifle.

>>95859191
Thank you, Anon.

>>95864408
>>95864438
>>95864443
So, these photos are proof that the Marines fought with bamboo spears.
Where can I find the minis?

>>95868122
You'll almost certainly have to rig those up yourself.

>>95868122
Spears are clearly too advanced for marines. They probably found them and mistook them for BIG crayons.

>>95866749
>You should post about /hwg/
take your own advice, didn't exactly see a flurry of posting here at the time you replied to me