>human
>male
>fighter
>bisexual
Why is this classic archetype so rare in ttgs now, /tg/?

>>95799491 (OP)
Topping is the straightest thing you can do. All beneath you are feminine.

>>95799491 (OP)
The human fight is the most common race class combo, dumbass

>>95799665
Proof, almost-Satan?

>>95799491 (OP)
>bisexual
When's the last time you saw an actual bisexual male in media that wasn't some one-note
>men will fuck literally anything amirite
walking joke

>>95799673

>>95799958
All bisexuals are walking jokes

>>95799491 (OP)
It might have something to do with not being classic.

>>95800059
>source: a character creator that defaults to human fighter

>>95800399
What a massive cope
Even assuming that was true, how do you explain human/class being more popular than any other race/class combo from asimar and below? There are more human monks than asimar paladins

Does it count if his mother was a nymph?

>>95799491 (OP)
>Why is this classic archetype so rare
Literally every other girl plays it when they're not playing a Thiefling

>>95799491 (OP)
>Why is this classic archetype so rare in ttgs now, /tg/?
We're at the point where a lot of people unironically believe fucking a pretty elf twink's asshole wouldn't be considered gay if he's effeminate enough, which means for a man to be bisexual he has to be getting penetrated himself which is deemed unheroic and unfitting of a protagonist.

>>95800678
>>95800898
Read it again, carefully.

>>95800678
Every female player I have ever been in a game with has played an elf or a half-elf. Explain that one to me.

>>95799958
there was that guy in Cloud Atlass

>>95799491 (OP)
Honestly I just feel bad for them
Like, if you're black or brown, you can go and live with other black and brown people
If you're some flavor of deviant, well, you'll always be a freak. That has to suck.

>>95801173
>Youth and beauty are often seen as signs of social worth and value, especially for women.
>Elves have both in abundance and retain those qualities for a long time.

Gee, I wonder why elves appeal so much to women. Pretty Privilege is real, anon.

>>95801173
>you are an idealized human but even better in every single aspect
why would you not

>>95800678
I have never seen a woman play a Tiefling. I've seen plenty of coomer guys and openly gay guys play Tieflings though.

>>95799491 (OP)
Because this isn't FATAL so orientation is entirely irrelevant to archetypes in the first place.
Bi isn't a personality or character concept any more than gay or straight already aren't.

>>95800678
I'm willing to believe you but my wife plays an R2 unit.
>Even the whistling sounds scathingly sarcastic.

>>95799491 (OP)
Based and epic thread.

>>95801244
You sound spiritually deficient.

>>95799491 (OP)
It's too much of a Chad archetype for the average normalfag.

>>95799958
Velvet Chainsaw and House of Cards come to mind, but I bet I could think of more with time.

>>95801930
>You sound spiritually deficient.
No he's right, being homosexual is unfortunately a mental illness.

>>95803290
Nope. It got removed from the DSM! You probably believe in phrenology too.

>>95803290
Your faggotry has nothing to do with whatever going on in your head.

>>95803505
You're using it as a slur now?
I'm glad we agree

>>95803580
Welcome to 4chan, newfag.

>>95800323
My mum calls them "Dirty dib-dabs"

>>95799491 (OP)
They just don't call themselves bisexuals, but still have "bromances" and sex with men that doesn't count because the balls don't touch.

This is my favorite archetype. Since my system lacks bards and warriors have access to social skills, they are often doing the seduction.

>>95801419
human male isn't a personality or character concept either

I think I've only had a gay male fighter NPC once. It was something of a social scandal (because he was a catamite), despite being a war hero. People were circumspect about insulting him to his face, though, because he was a notorious duelist and the best you could hope for crossing swords with him is that he'd cripple you. Being from old money and on the Tzarina's good boy list made him politically untouchable, so there was no coward's route to antagonizing him, either.

Ironically enough his peasant fans (of which there were many, because he was a war hero, and because he had a habit of killing other boyars in duels, which always amuses peasants) assumed the catamite thing was a lie by jealous rivals.

>>95805380
TBHQWTY, warriors in real life seduce way more people than bards would ever do. For one reason, warriors can move on while bards were often tied to a patron.

>>95801419
What are the components of a personality or character concept? Be specific. What specific things comprise a personality or character concept? And if you want to go for extra credit, stick to things which can be portrayed as objective features for the sake of gameplay mechanics or at least character sheet entries.

I eagerly await your response...

>>95805824
Did you waste the potential by not having him outed to the peasantry? The plot development of suddenly losing the affection of the rabble, revealing them to be fickle and hateful, would have been good drama because it would directly confront his status as a war hero.

It would directly provoke him to question the meaning of his heroism in the war - on behalf of a peasantry that despises him for being gay. All his suffering and sacrifice and heroism would be for naught in their eyes just because he's gay.

How would he respond to that? Just accept it with stoic patriotism? Become bitter over how deeply unfair and ugly the reality of his nation truly is? Avoid dealing with it and just withdraw from the public eye to retire in lonely obscurity? Find some small social circle in which his honor is respected and shield himself from the filth of the vulgar brutes?

>>95806131
In my experience, warriors are way more desperate than bards, but tend to pull more interest unless the bard is really good, because they have a reliable income and travel a lot, so the local dependapotamus can seduce him once and ride those coattails forever.
>>95808684
I don't think most of the peasantry would give a shit in practicality, although they would probably make jokes about it in private. Frankly, people with power are way more intolerant than the average "peasant". That mostly comes down to having too much else to worry about in practice.
Opinions are for people with free time.

>>95799491 (OP)
They often get too distracted by love.

>>95808684
>Did you waste the potential by not having him outed to the peasantry?
I burned out on that game before it got along that far. He had other outright treasonous actions going on (for personal reasons) that would've lost him the favor of the people if/when the players exposed that conduct.

>>95800399
BG3's devs on twitter whined that the most common choice everyone made at release was a male human fighter, amalgamated from the most popular builds and character creation choices.

Male Human Fighter is THE default option, but especially in 2024 it's boring as shit. It gets nothing interesting to do. LOOK AT ME I CAN HIT THINGS ONCE MAYBE TWICE! WOOOO! It's so fucking boring. If you want a cool martial, play Monk. 2024 glazed the hell out of them, if you go Fighter 1/Monk X you can take the Nick Mastery on daggers then dual wield them to shit out damage like nobody else. Take the Tough Feat as part of your background (or with the Human feat) to remove HP concerns entirely, take Dual Wielder at 4th level, and watch as you become the main damage dealer in your party, shitting out 3d8 + 2d8 Force + 15 damage when you flurry, 3d8 Piercing + 1d8 Force + 12 damage when you don't.

>>95812104
>impregnates Byleth, his teacher, multiple times
Based Sylvain

>>95811932
Bullshit. Working class bigots are way more vicious and violent about their bigotries than the aristocracy have ever been. To be sure, aristocrat bigots enjoy indulging their hatreds, but they don't often take a personal interest in anyone but themselves. It's great to have absolute power over who you socially interact with, and to be able to afford to distract yourself with any entertainment available.

Working class? They have literally nothing else to do with their free time but bicker about what they like or don't like. And they love to express any degree of power they believe they have, no matter how petty or small. And they are nasty about it because their entire lives are nasty.

Aristocrats might disown an embarrassing son.

Working class will tie him to the back of a truck and drag him until there's nothing left but tattered bloody rags and a foot bone.

This is not speculation. There's an entire genre of historical analysis dedicated to understanding the criminalization and treatment of minority groups throughout history. It's an empirical question and it has a definite answer.

>>95806131
>>95811932
The real answer is that warriors work out. Juicy pecs and thicc thighs win every time when compared to the hipster breaking out his guitar at the campfire to whimper Wonder Wall for the thousandth time.

>>95812901
>Working class will tie him to the back of a truck and drag him until there's nothing left but tattered bloody rags and a foot bone.
Incredibly based.

>>95799491 (OP)
Because women who are worth being bisexual for are perilously rare these days.

>>95812220
Default Tav is a Cleric, though.

Why do people engage with bait threads.

>>95812901
>This is not speculation. There's an entire genre of historical analysis dedicated to understanding the criminalization and treatment of minority groups throughout history. It's an empirical question and it has a definite answer.
Really? Because I was always under the impression that the people who owned the most slaves tended to be extraordinarily rich.
I mean, it's not like the very richest people in the world could investigate themselves and find nothing wrong.
But I guess if you're not physically dragging slaves onto the ships on and pack them like sardines onto, you're not really bigoted after all. You're really so far detached from your industrial evil that you can make money literally purchasing people in bulk and working them until they die without actually having any visceral hatred towards them. Is it really even bigotry at that point?
Hell, while you're at it, you could also stoke the flames to turn your labor pool inwards against itself instead of towards you. I wonder what that would look like. Couldn't imagine.
But yeah. So long as your hands are clean personally, I guess it's not really bigotry so much as it is psychopathy.

>>95799491 (OP)
It's because they would be too busy fucking. Imagine how much time it takes to slay pussy and now add on bussy? Fighters would never level up! (Unless DM allow sex as exp?)
>>95813274
>bait thread
>as actual discussion

>>95800678
Girls love the feee feat, it’s true

>>95813239
Fair enough, but he's still human and male and bisexual. 3/4 is still a passing grade.

>>95813474
Can poor people buy slaves? How much does a slave cost? Is slavery what we were talking about? I thought we were talking about homophobia.

But anyway, back to the slavery for a minute. Why didn't the poor folks help to free the slaves? Because, after all, the slaves were their direct competition for wages... How come it was the rich who launched the revolt against the institutions of slavery? And why did they do so because they wanted to undermine their competitors by destroying the supply of free labor which allowed them the benefit of that margin?

Are you just saying whatever pops up in your head in the moment and you're reacting against whoever is speaking in a mindless, childish oppositional defiance behavioral pattern?

>>95815806
Rich people won't drag you along a truck, fine. But they will order you chemically castrated, or hung for sodomy, or given a patch and sent to camps to systematically be killed. Instead of
>I hate that guy because he makes me uncomfortable
It's
>Here's a fifty-page essay I use to rationalize my discomfort and turn it into a legal basis for oppression which will become actual law
Rich people will do literally everything they blame poor people for, and they'll also do it on a massive scale, except they won't get their hands dirty personally, because that's beneath them.
>How come it was the rich who launched the revolt against the institutions of slavery?
Because the law answered to them. Again, opinions are for people with free time. You might as well ask why they only started caring after centuries. After all, they had the chance to implement it during the American Revolution, but they didn't.
Additionally, people paid to get out of Union service (and have done so to get out of other military service for the causes they "champion"). It cost $300 and was called the Conscription Act.
When people in charge of the system claim about systemic problems, I feel very little sympathy.
>Are you just saying whatever pops up in your head in the moment and you're reacting against whoever is speaking in a mindless, childish oppositional defiance behavioral pattern?
Do I think that people who saw 80% of their own countrymen as unworthy of marriage (that's not racism it's "nobility", btw) as more prejudiced than people who are literally just trying to stay alive? Yes, I do.
Social ills almost always flow from the top down rather than the bottom up, because if they were actually a problem for the ruling elite, that elite would have gone out of their way to fix them. Moreover, the elite have regularly and consistently chosen to erect totally legal means by which to punish people for having Wrong Opinions or Wrong Qualities.
They 'care' when it benefits them. That's all.

>>95799491 (OP)
Sadly, the high level fighter will be forced to marry the princess and leave his male lovers. A sad end to all fighters!

>>95799491 (OP)
>>bisexual
just say that youre a faggot.

>>95801396
>I have never seen a woman play a Tiefling
I have seen multiple women do that.

>>95800678
>>95801173
The amount of women that I had at my table that played slutty elven or half-elven rogues that tried to seduce everything with a dick is staggering.

no-gaem fags like >>95801396 will rant about coomers but the chicks and female first time players out-thirsted the crustiest ThatGuy I ever had in my games.

>>95817319
Just say you're insecure about your sexuality and care about the sexuality of other men more than you should.

>>95816866
>Not tasking the chivalric vow loophole so you can pledge yourself to the lady but spend all your time with your closest 'companinions' and never consumate.

Ngmi

>>95817487
>no u!
>gets defensive about being called a faggot

really makes you think.

>>95817663
They didn't seem defensive at all. But you seem really invested in defending your childish hot take. Why? And why are you so interested in the sexuality of other men?

>>95817625
This. Bitches are for kids. Your "companions" are your rock in life.

>>95818279
Reminder that you can let someone else make the kids. The breeders make bi and gay kids just the same.

>>95813213
>these days
>Ttrpg
Why are you a retard?

>>95799958
Berserk is still ongoing technically

>>95818809
He's not bisexual though. Had he been bisexual the manga would have been a lot shorter.

>>95817822
>hey I am totes a different anon but let me pick up his argument because I am totally not him haha

lol
lmao

Youre a fag.
Deal with it.

>>95818809
I don't think current Guts is bi, but if he wasn't raped, I think he would be. He doesn't strike me as the type of guy who cares who he beds.

>>95819440
Just wait till you find out that there's more than one fag in the world. One sleeps in your bed every night, in fact.

>>95819440
>N-n-noo! Other anons can't agree with each other, they must be the same dude samefagging!
Lmao cope

>>95819154
>The Eclipse could have been averted if he had just pounded Griffith's twink ass
Damn...

>>95818809
Guts had lots of opportunities, but instead he chose the inferior ugly useless cunt. The only reason why Guts would lower himself to giving a damn about that stupid piece of trash nigger bitch instead of the twink is that Guts is 100% heterosexual.

>>95819553
>>95819566
samefag harder, faggot

This is some Shakespearean shit right here.

>hehe look at how bisexual i am!
>just say youre a faggot then
>NOOO DONT CALL ME THAT ITS AOKAY TO GET FUCKED IN THE ASS AND SUCK DICK BUT IM NOT A FAGGOT OKAY WHY DO YOU CALL ME THAT IM NOT AND WHY DO YOU CARE ABPUT OTHER MEN SO MUCH YOU MUST SECRETLY BE GAY BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU WOULNT MOCK ME!

The faggot doth protest too much methinks.

>>95820299
mmmm.... No I think he cared a lot about the femboy twink... before the femboy twink went full mask-off psycho raging jealous bitch and tried to destroy the world starting with the most heinous fucked up hateful shit he could come up with on the spot to inflict upon his romantic rival for Guts' affections. I don't blame him, though, really. It was the only rational response to the situation. I mean. Have you not seen Guts shirtless? Perfectly reasonable reaction to the insult of having to compete with midtier pussy.

>>95822059
Damn, life must be pretty miserable. Not only have you no bitches, not even the fags will give you any positive attention. Go fix yourself. If you weren't such a repulsive shit, you wouldn't keep having this problem when you try to interact with people - and then maybe you might be able to at least afford a prostitute.

>>95822756
>Damn, life must be pretty miserable. Not only have you no bitches, not even the fags will give you any positive attention.

not a single of those things you mentioned is correct.
Try again, faggot.

>Go fix yourself. If you weren't such a repulsive shit, you wouldn't keep having this problem when you try to interact with people - and then maybe you might be able to at least afford a prostitute.
Confession through projection: the post

Hilarious that all it took was to call you a fagot for..well.. being a faggot for you to crash out.

>>95799491 (OP)
>his fighter hasn't sired many bastards across the land
Might as well play a virgin paladin at that point.

>>95800059
>Tentamouth artificer
I don't even know what that is, but I'm gonna play it next game

>>95822730
>No I think he cared a lot about the femboy twink... before the femboy twink went full mask-off psycho raging jealous bitch and tried to destroy the world
Yeah but several years and big events happened in that time. The fact that Guts didn't make a move in all that time proves he's heterosexual
>But he didn't make a move on any woman either!
He was surrounded only by men + an utterly ugly, mean cunt with no redeeming traits whatsoever.

>>95823347
>Siring bastards
Is this some way to ensure that future adventurers get shitty bandits to fight against in low levels?

>>95823341
hhhoooooo boy you BIG mad, now, huh.

>>95823347
Maybe he's just early in his career.

>>95823597
Yes. Why do you think there's so many bandits who are able to be threats to players? They're all bastards of adventurers.

>>95799504
What if your top looks like this?

>>95824945
I don't recall stuttering. Topping is the straightest thing you can do.

>>95822059
You spent a LOT of time and energy vividly thinking about this stuff, aren't you anon?

>>95824150
It does make perfect sense indeed.

>>95825004
Based

>>95800440
only if he excels at cross-dressing

>>95816866
I really don't like the yaoi trope of eyeless women.
I get it, but I still don't like it.

>>95825004
>Topping is the straightest thing you can do.
Russian army colonel energy.

>>95829180
Isn't it just the same as the hentai trope of eyeless/faceless men?

>>95834850
It is, but I don't read those.

>>95799491 (OP)
>OP
>playing games
Why is this so rare nowadays?

>>95836433
My games keep getting gutted and redone so it counts. :)

>>95808684
Given the word Tzarina, I assume that he was playing in a Russia expy and it’s important to remember that Russia was the gayest place in Europe for centuries and this is all well documented in the works of various medieval and early modern travel writers. The Tzars imported homophobia at great expense and difficulty in the 19th century because they were tired of being called faggots by the German and Swedish nobility, and homophobia didn’t really catch on with the underclass until about the time of the Revolution in the early 20th century.

So the yokels wouldn’t give a fuck.

>>95839006
Pretty sure that is COMPLETE bullshit.

>>95799491 (OP)
This, but monk.

>>95801173
Elves are supernaturally beautiful, rare, and special. Every woman ever fantasizes about being these things just for existing.

The fact that elves basically don't age also helps alot. I've seen women IRL in their early 20s already worried that they're getting "old".

>>95799491 (OP)
>elf
>male (female when bored)
>wizard
>omisexual
Yep, it's ttrpg time.

>>95839930
There was no law against homosexuality in Russia until 1835. Tsar Nicholas the 1st criminalized homosexuality in the same series of laws aimed at “modernizing” Russia that banned unkempt beards, the “Old Church” orthodox communities, restructured the military in the Continental style, and forced Jews to participate in military conscription.

And the laws were unpopular, both with the common people and with the Boyars. Prior to the reign of Tsar Nicholas, it was the common remark of European visits to Russia that if you smoked and drank with a Russian while taking leisure around the samovar, that he would suck your dick and get offended if you didn’t reciprocate. Casual male homosexuality was a cultural inheritance the Moskovite Kingdons inherited from their years under the rule of the Golden Hoard, and to this day Russian homophobia is incomplete, extending only to the person who is receiving.

>>95799491 (OP)
Bisexuality is the spontaneous extrusion of a failure of society to answer masculine duties and obligations coherently. It almost invariably coincides with the decline of that civilization, just as transgenderism is a sure sign that a society is in the throes of social collapse.

See: The Roman Empire. While much is said about Romans and Greeks being fags, the truth was much more complex, essentially in male dominance hierarchies there is always going to be a certain predatory homosexuality, but if it starts becoming normal for men to be bisexual, that society is in the process of self-destructing. The Macedonians under Phillip and Alexander were in fact in the midst of just such a collapse brought on by their rapid modernization, they were able to channel it into an explosion of imperial power, but it fell apart almost immediately afterwards because the youthful warrior class had become unmoored from the traditional familial structures of their people.

>>95801396

>>95812901
>social studies
>empirical
You have to go back.