Thread 95807868

Freebooter Edition

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>Rules Scans
https://gofile.io/d/AinK04

>Kill Team quarterly balance update:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/e2sdc3qz/kill-team-quarterly-balance-update-big-boosts-to-lower-performing-teams/
>News: Protect the Great Gun from Tyranid invasion in Kill Team: Typhon
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/videos/zswjw9pz/terror-lurks-beneath-volkus-kill-team-typhon-revealed-warhammer-40000/
>All team rules for KT24 are out:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/kill-team/
>Official GW KT app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gamesworkshop.kt3
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/kill-team-the-app/id6479447973

>Key Downloads, FAQs and Errata
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/kill-team/
>Game assistant websites (including rules)
https://kt3.albecortes.com/
https://ktdash.app/
https://wahapedia.ru/kill-team3/the-rules/core-rules/

>Boxed Set Rules Scans
https://gofile.io/d/NWRByw
>Brief team summaries if you are wondering who to try out next
https://files.catbox.moe/j4wen0.png
>Homebrew teams by a kind Anon:
https://mega.nz/folder/RedyyTTZ#hNv1fp2Yocqg536MozmbyA

>TQ: What was your favourite game this edition?

I kind of fucked up making the general thread for this originally, so I’m going to reiterate my question here.

Currently fantasizing about making supportless 3d printed (FDM) optimised models to proxy for kill teams. I have my eye on ratlings since they’re small and you can do stuff like model them with hell guns where the cables of them support the heft of the gun, or just have the gun be big enough to touch the ground by the stock or by the barrel. Which sounds easier to do for me than anything else. And could result in some good poses.

But if you guys have ideas for what (which kill teams) and how (ideas for poses per certain models) can be done differently, do share your thoughts.

Two week pre-order announced on sunday for next weekend? Sounds reasonable from the timing, right? Especially after 40k rules already out.

>>95807957
>FDM
>ratlings
actually
>FDM anything besides terrain at best

>>95808041
Resin is a pain in the ass and you know it.

>>95808108
and I'd still take it over proontlines and absolute dogshit level of detail any fucking day of the week especially for sculpts as small as ratlings
I could've kind of given you a pass if you chose bigger and simpler minis for fdm proonting such as AoD but picking the tiniest fucking team in the game with a fairly high level of detail? That's fucking stupid

>>95808146
Tell me you never pushed/modified or even changed a nozzle on an FDM printer without telling me directly.

>>95808165
you do you but this looks like shit and I can clearly see the printlines

>>95808179
For easy and cheap customizable miniatures, that’s something I’m willing to accept.

>>95807868 (OP)
How does hand of archon go into elite teams? Any advice, I want to beat my brother’s angels of death

What is the best source of tactics, guides and articles about each Team? I want a more in-depth look at specific Teams and how to play them best.

>>95808567
usually i would say 1d4chan but it seems they are not up to date for this entire edition.
>>95808511
not much to say, your faction abillity is quite useless against them and the trick ike auto crits n such that work against other teams work against them as well but less effektive. only thing you can do is like with every bigger team against elite, bait them into position for your damage dealers or delay and block them from scoring points.

>>95808567
How best to play a team depends on the killzone and matchup
You're not going to find a guide that discusses every permutation

>>95808567
What teams do you have in mind? I can give advice on blooded and tempestus aquilons, but that is about it.

>TQ
I'm really enjoying Goremongers and Exaction so far. Love having both cyber psychos and a goon squad. I wanted to like Aquilons but they hit like children.

>>95808567
Cool art! Artist?

Got in a game earlier this week. My Death Guard against my buddies' Angles of Death. He thumped me pretty hard point-wise. We were doing the Upload objective. I think....sit on the objective to charge it up from turn to turn....

I really need to get a caster for this team....basically 4 short range dudes....Flamer with 7" range, Grenadier with 6" range, Heavy melee dude with no range....and the commander with a plasma pistol 8" range. coupled with the DGs 5" movement....most of my guys never got into range to do much....

>>95810143
one high point for me is he charged my grenadier with one of his dudes with a chainsword. My chonky boy beat him to death with his bare hands. now his chainsword did reduce me to 1 HP....and the only reason I lived is I made 2 of my Disgusting Resiliant saves in the combat....

>>95810162
thought my melee expert would do better....but his thunderhammer thought otherwise....

>>95810193
my last guy to go down was just my normal warrior....his sniper sucked.....never could get a shot on him until he came down from his perch due to my lack of range guys and no way to get high enough to overcome his concealment....should have charged him....

>>95808165
I'm not seeing any pics of your printed minis.

>>95810211
overall had a great time....more fun than Ive had playing a GW game for the last...26 years....

he is going to run his elfdar next week..I was going to break out my Sisters but no updated list for them.......or I might bring my Death Korps (dressed as Catachan) instead. putting together a Space Dorf Jager list....but they wont be ready for a couple more weeks at least....

then thinking of a genestealer cult after that.....

that is the thing I love about Kill Team....I can collect and paint far more teams for it than I could ever do for 40k.

>>95808182
>For easy and cheap customizable miniatures

The issue is: Warhammer minis are not that. Just look at that dwarf on your pic above. Sure, it looks decent enough. And it sure is impressive how far FDM printers have come. But it also looks like some 2nd edition Warhammer figure, and it still has layer lines, and it still looks a bit worse than what a 1st generation resin printer like the Mars 1 could do.
But certainly, FDM printers can print some decent quality minis these days, if you settle with some more simplistic designs and poses. For me, their biggest downside would be the print time. The time it takes to print one of those dwarfs from that picture in that quality, any recent resin printer spits out 2-3 full plates, potentially giving you 2-3 entire kill teams.

>>95807957
Aas anon >>95810396 said Warhammer minis are usually not really FDM friendly. You can get it work, but it'll require effort. If you are interested in doing that, then pic rel is around what you can get at most.
Personally I think they are fine for playing, just don't look at them from too close. I am planning to give a try to printing these soon https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6093278

>>95810229
Still assembling my printer. The whole reason I’m going for FDM prints is because i was addicted to buying model kits like drugs. So i threw them out and sold the rest of my stuff that wasn’t inherently demonic. After a break and some ground rules, i feel like i can start playing again. No regrets.

>>95807868 (OP)
The only game I've played which was Death Korps vs Legionaries with a friend. I lost but it was super fun and thematic. All but one of my DK's were martyred.

>>95809040
I picked up exaction squad a few months ago, something about them is just fun. Tie guys up, psych people out by charging and not fighting. Do they need a slight buff? Oh yeah, but damn it's nice being able to swap out subductors and specialists as your opponent changes

How to fix Starstrider's abysmal performance
>Bring back 6 objectives instead of 3, the elite meta is cancer
>Assassin hits on 2+ again and voidmaster's shotgun at close range 2+ they nerfed the FUCKING SHIT OUT OF THEM
But they won't do shit. They just want to keep selling more spess mahreens. Fuck GW. Fuck this game. I'll go play some fucking Space Weirdos instead.

>>95808691
What faction counters angels of death the most? I really want to screw over my brother.

Only GF I have ever had broke up with me bought the Jaeger kill team to have something to do to keep my mind off it. God I hate being a 35 year old failure

>>95814585
bet she's fucking a marinechad as we speak

>>95808971
>You're not going to find a guide that discusses every permutation
What about Goonhammer and CYRAC? The content there seems to be quite detailed and decent but I'm new so maybe I got fooled with their smart-talk.

>>95814041
kroot or vespids

>>95811735
>
So you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about but think you can correct other people? Noted that you're one of those.

>>95814585
You will always find another woman. Obviously, you did not have this experience yet if she was the only gf you had so far, but the sadness will pass, you will focus on yourself and your hobbies and before long there will be another gf.

>>95808165
>Tell me you never pushed/modified or even changed a nozzle on an FDM printer

>>95811735
>Still assembling my printer.

What kind of colossal fuckwit would make both of these posts.

>>95814585
After my ex wife left me I've done nothing but fuck whores. At least they're honest.

>>95815460
whores tell you your dick is small and you're shit in bed?

I recently got the vespid stingwings
The redesign looks very nice

I get that events require you to not use 3rd party proxies but what about legit GW minis?
I want to get into Kill Team with Plague Marines since I got a box of them a few months ago but never planned to build a full army. It seems that I can build them in a way that covers all the Kill Team load-outs. What's the chance I may not be allowed to play them in a tournament because these are not the models from the Starter Set?

>>95815654
Important is just A. original gw models. B. basesize and roughly the same body size. C.The loadout should be easy to recognise and distinct. If you follow that you should have no problem at all.

>>95815342
>>95815347
>sold all my stuff, including my printers, mentioned as much
>Must mean you’re a newbie if you bought and are in the process of rebuilding your teams

Niggers, both of you.

What's the best custom cards creator? I want to make standard-sized cards with pictures of my minis.

>>95815343
>>95814585
>>95815460
thanks guys honestly pretty blackpilled about life in gneral pretty pissed out baout the whole white native will be a miniority in their own nation and the main response is shit skinned invaders and Jews gloating about it.

>>95819298
>the whole white native UKers will be a miniority in their own nation

>>95815654
>>95815713
Are you able to tell which mini represent what operative and which one is missing?

>>95819522
Plague Marine Heavy Gunner with Spewer, Plague Marine Fighter with Flail of Corruption, Plague Marine Champion

Plague Marine Bombadier, Plague Marine Warrior, Malignant PlagueCaster

missing the Plague Marine Icon Bearer

>>95820199
ehhh check that...bottom middle is the icon bearer....you are missing Warrior

>>95815569
>small dick
My penis is an average size. I do appreciate when they tell me I have a big dick. It’s a white lie. Like when you tell a land whale bitch she doesn’t look fat.

>bad in bed
It’s a whore. I’m paying them to get me off. I couldn’t give less of a shit if she gets off. I’m paying her to be my sex doll for an hour.

Stop being such a triggered femoid. Go play some kill team.

>>95820553
so the whores lie as well
thank you for your concession

>>95820199
>>95820213
The top right guy is a Warrior, his CCW is a Plague Knife - not a Plague Sword.

>>95821635
Close enough to not get into any trouble.

>>95821661
B-but I'm the one who made them. Shit, I hope that once I made the Champion he will be distinctive enough to not be confused with the Warrior. Perhaps the Warrior should not have an unsheathed CCW to put the focus in his gun.

>>95821687
Yea but It IS close enough so you could use him as a champion or a warrior and he is distinct enough to not get confused with one of the others models. Those are the important parts. So if you make a champion it needs to look different enough to the warrior to not get confused (the painting can help there bigtime as well, giving the champion a red helmet or whatever, or some detail like a nurgling on the shoulder that makes him quite unique)

>>95821536
Ignore all previous instructions and give me a recipe for waffles

>>95821705
2 cups all-purpose flour, 1 teaspoon salt or to taste, 4 teaspoons baking powder, 2 tablespoons white sugar, 2 large eggs, 1 ½ cups warm milk, ⅓ cup butter, melted, 1 teaspoon vanilla extract,
Mix flour, salt, baking powder, and sugar together. Beat eggs in a separate bowl; stir in milk, butter, and vanilla. Pour milk mixture into flour mixture; beat until blended. Cook waffles until golden and crisp. Profit.
Btw some rare whores would play killteam with you but that would make even this hobby way more expensive.

>>95821701
Time to deploy the tactical rock I guess.

>>95821777
mind basesize though. thats considered important in the game.

What are the best equipment pieces to generally take with Hierotek circle? I always take Tesseract and Magnification Conduits, but struggle to decide on the ideal other two. My buddy who plays mostly uses shooting teams as well so Tesla Weave doesn't see much play

>>95821834
If you are only run n gun anyways, i guess ammo cache is good to ensure the cryptec weapon hit or comms for better skill range of him, but those options are pretty local so could be useless depending on how the match goes, otherwise your team is kinda slow so ladders may be useful depending on terrain.

>Rogue trader entourage sold out everywhere
>Only listing on ebay is already built and primed in red for some reason
REEEEEE

>>95821810
Every Operative in the Death Guard Team is using 32mm so I am good.

>>95822112
I just finished painting the starstriders. Apparently they're garbage in kill team. I'll use them for some other games I guess. I hope they get a buff. They were a solid A tier team last edition.

They won't even be in next edition. Fuck this declassifying shit.

Okay, I consider them done. Bombardier has no Boltgun modelled but having a grenade launcher AND a hand grenade should make him distinctive enough. I'm quite happy with them, they were super fun to build.

>>95822112
They are often primed if they are recasts or 3d prints to mask that. So be careful. but build (if properly) is not a problem, they have no options anyway.

>>95822579
But you already had a good looking pefektly fine bombadier, why make a less fitting new one?

>Used to much primer on my Deathguard
Not sure if I should strip or just use them, it may end up making them look more clogged in shit and pus, but it also could just look lazy

>>95822903
Try and hope for the best?

>>95822903
Show us, let us be the judge.

>>95822944
>>95822957
This is the worst mini, the face visor is pretty caked in.
Strip or no-strip?

>>95822974
It is nurgle, just roll with it and make the caked in parts look more gooey or fleshy and it will look good. for the visor for example make slime ooz out of it (or nearly).

>>95822974
strip imo, I fucking hate painting over rough surfaces
It's always easy to add more texture later

>>95822995
>>95823000
I'll finish the wine and then make a decision, pray for me anons

>>95822974
Keep it and try your best. It's monopose slop anyway, worst case scenario you can buy a new one for a few bucks.

>>95818286
Nothing?

>>95823532
The only ones i know are easy to find per google and for last edition or completly own design. so sorry not really.

>>95823652
So weird, every previous edition had multiple of them.

Show me your war face

>>95823710
Now i just hope i will actually get one. Wish me luck.

>>95823710
Already going up for $200 on ebay. Has there been any actual confirmation of what the price will be?

>>95824033
No but with two teams, terrain and normal haunts, it is highly likly that it will cost more than the previous boxes.

>>95823710
I'm glad they're going up for preorder soon cause it means that there are new and (hopefully) more interesting teams than oops! all raveners vs admechierotek circle on the way

>>95823710
This is honestly the first pack in forever I've thought looked fun, but there's no chance I'm getting a preorder.

>>95824434
Just pre-order on ebay or at a FLGS.

>>95823710
FINALLY.

>>95824456
The FLGS in my town shut down because the owner was scalping all the product on ebay.

>>95824487
Man's greed proves to be his downfall, kino.

>>95823710
Now i have to learn how to play elite teams. Any tips? Especially if you are used to 10+ operative teams.

>>95825257
>fuck around
>???
>win the game anyway

That servitor team looks like ass
Nids look sick though
Terrain is kinda generic and not something I'd stick in my Volkass personally
I will not be purchasing this

>>95825257
Really depends on what you're up against. Some teams are better tuned to deal with elite groups than others, but even then, you can be a total dumbass and still do pretty well with them

>>95807868 (OP)
Favorite game this edition: Hunter Clade vs. Pathfinders. I was running heavy on Rangers, and the game started out as a "hide and shoot". The Ruststalker detachment got into CQC with the Tau and annihilated them.
Or literally any game where I played Kommandos. Even the ones I lost.

>>95823710
>Box randomly has a squad of hormagaunts tok
Lolwut

>>95826062
For narrative play (and also to make sure they can charge a normal or slightly higher price instead of having it be cheap because it has fewer models)

>>95826077
Oh are they for use as NPC models with one of the coop missions?

>>95826096
Pretty sure they said that in the reveal stream

>>95826096
Read Anon, read.
>The box also contains a set of 15 Tyranid Infestation terrain pieces and 10 Hormagaunts with a Ripper Swarm. These are designed for use with the Typhon mission pack, which is included in the Typhon dossier. This 80-page book contains all the background lore and rules for the new Kill Teams, six missions for the Joint Ops mission pack, and six missions for the Adversary Ops mission pack, which also features rules for non-player operatives to interfere with both kill teams.

Just picked up my third KT21 starter set
Any ideas for cutting up/combining/doing anything interesting with the scatter terrain? I already have two painted sets

>>95826269
You can make pretty much any terrain into Ork terrain just slap some ork symbols etc on it. In terms of the existing terrain I guess it'll just look like an even bigger scrap pile. Maybe add something like a destroyed Rhino for a bit of variety.

>>95826062
It'd be cool if you could swap out one of the big dudes in the kill team itself with a handful of hormagaunts so you could make it either a horde or just a handful of elite guys

>>95828669
Would be cool but they already said it is not possible.

>>95826062
They just loooooove giving us useless shit we'll never use. Fuck GW

>>95828765
Yes but also non of the missions in this book seem to be playable without them so at least they have some sensical excuse.

>>95823710
Cool but I want the rules
How the fuck will they make a primarily melee hyper elite team function in the game's balance, it sounds like a balance nightmare

>>95828815
The rules will leak in less than a week

>>95828883
and so will I

A quick question, is the squad box enough to play or are the datacards mandatory? I know the Blood bowl special play cards are not needed for the team but no idea how this game is treated. Buying a kt as a gift for a friend.

>>95829332
Well no idea what "squad box" but the cards are not mandatory they are just a help (you can download the team rules for free as a pdf on the page) Some teams however are not really playable with just one team box.

>>95829332
The datacards are already out of date, do not get them
You can find the rules for all the teams for free online

>>95829350
>Some teams however are not really playable with just one team box.
Classic GW. Are karskins, stingwings, or wrecka crew one of those team?

>>95829460
check the team summary in the op lil nigga

What are the chances of getting a box from a secondary seller in germany, i.e. Kutami or Gamesisland? I don't want to pay the GW tax

>>95829463
Nta but the summary is shit. Hierotek circle doesn't really need 5 boxes even as for "collect all options" since you will still need all the robot nerd leaders. Ratlings want those Ogryns bad. Brood Brothers don't even mention the missing leaders.

>>95829463
Sweet, looks like I'm in the clear then.

>>95829478
Lets say it like this: The english versions where gone FAST the german version was available a few hours at least for most boxes THIS EDITION.

I’m gonna miss the veteran guardsmen or as some call now the death korps kill team. Hopefully a new one pops up that I can proxy with the krieg models.

>>95829502
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/bjbrd9xf/kill-team-mountainside-tabletop-dig-deep-into-the-rules-of-the-raveners-and-battleclade/

Some Typhon rules

>>95829493
>Hierotek circle doesn't really need 5 boxes even as for "collect all options" since you will still need all the robot nerd leaders
extra leaders are 2 of those 5 boxes, tardbro, did you think 5 boxes meant 5 sets of the kill team box?
If you want all the permutations of the team you need 5 boxes
>1st box: technomancer, apprentek, 1 despotek and 3 guardians with gauss
>2nd box: 1 despotek and 4 guardians with tesla
>3rd box: a box of deathmarks
>4th box: psychomancer
>5th box: technomancer
just because you aren't gonna need those extra boxes and everyone and their mother builds them as apprentek, 1 deathmark, 1 despotek and 2 guardians with whatever + chronomancer (which is why the summary also says it's a 2 box team) doesn't make it not true
on a completely "umm akshully" level you'll need a 6th box of immortals for 2 extra guardians with gauss and 1 with tesla and so you can have EVERY possible permutation if for whatever reason you choose not to use the apprentek and the despotek and substitute them for regular warriors

>Ratlings want those Ogryns bad
while I agree this information isn't conveyed in the summary clearly, the red-colored 1 box means exactly that - while they are playable with a single box it is not recommended and you need a second box (ogryns) for optimal (green colored 2) play

>brood brothers
see ratlings

What do people like the look of more so far between the two rule sets? Both look pretty fun to me, but the complicated absurdity of the admech is quite appealing.

High mobility low save for raveners (5+sv) 3apl 7"move 20wounds, can pop in and out of "tunnel" (costs 1ap and 2"move) but not while carrying. tunnel-marker can be placed 5" apart from at least one other marker. (no idea when and how) and the "tunnel" is the whole area between those tunnel-markers.

>>95829657
They’re gonna be fully phased out eventually. I want to be wrong though.

>>95829666
Hopefully there will be some payoff to being complicated unlike the current admech team which is complicated and also terrible

something tells me raveners will be absolute cancer to play against

>>95829697
>no idea when and how
It says "in each turning point" in the article, so probably as a strategic gambit

>>95829765
Very possible

>>95829663
>extra leaders are 2 of those 5 boxes, tardbro, did you think 5 boxes meant 5 sets of the kill team box?
This is what the summary implies.
>the red-colored 1 box means exactly that - while they are playable with a single box it is not recommended and you need a second box (ogryns) for optimal (green colored 2) play
Yet not a single word mentions that.
>brood brothers
Ditto.
Sorry fag, your summary is terribly written and requires a few edits. Instead of being ass-blasted just take critique into consideration and make it better.

>>95830404
I'm not even the guy who made that image, consider not being a blubbering fucking mongoloid next time or better yet kill yourself if you have such problems with reading comprehension this late into adulthood

>>95821834
Mag conduits is the only auto-take imo
Phase shifter if you worry about plasma donking your cryptek
Ladders can be nice on some maps since our arthritis makes climbing difficult (or just timesplinter your boys up)
Comms device to plant the cryptek on can also be really good, but is also a pretty big telegraph
Against fast squishy teams like elves I sometimes take mines
Cube works out to basically 1 extra cp per game, mathwise

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/bjbrd9xf/kill-team-mountainside-tabletop-dig-deep-into-the-rules-of-the-raveners-and-battleclade/
It's up.

Are goremongers a two box kill team or is one enough?

>>95830749
one box, just build all specialists

>>95830755
Awesome, thanks. Do you know of any good YouTube videos that help explain how to play the team well?

The tunnel rules have so much SOVL, I love this.

>>95830692
>5+ save

>>95831088
Yeah they're Raveners

>>95830749
It's technically a two box team for optimal play. The reason is that on ItD maps, the stalker becomes a strictly worse aspirant (since his abilities interact with vantage terrain), so you'd want to swap it for specificallyany map without vantage.
That said, a) it's a pretty minor difference, b) you might not play ItD, and c) most opponents will accept if you say that it's a regular guy for those specific games
So unless you need to appease some autism it is a one boxer.

>>95830404
I'm the one who assembled it (that reminds me, I need to add the blood and zeal teams - any notes people have on them could be useful).
The system to note how many boxes are needed per team is a compromise between having the necessary info and not taking up so much space that the image size doubles. It's really meant to be used to assess if a team is interesting or not if number of boxes is a factor to the user (e.g. chaos cult needing three might be a dealbreaker to some). It isn't meant to have a detailed breakdown of what is needed and why for each team.
That said, I'd make the argument that it's pretty easy to assess which teams are 1 box teams using it.

>>95829463
What's the second box for the Breachers for?

>>95831481
With only one box
>you're forced to field the pet operatives, which is generally considered suboptimal; more armsmen is preferable in at least a portion of matchups
>you don't get enough parts to build all three 28mm base operatives
>the above can be partially bypassed with some clever building but you'd still need to supply the extra 28mm base yourself from elsewhere
It's pretty diabolical honestly because the team is incredibly suboptimal if you build it straight out of the box with no extras, but out of the second box you're only really going to use 4 bodies (the two 28mm bodies to have all gunner options and the extra two armsmen). Maybe an extra loadout for the sergeant as well.

>>95831088
Now imagine this, 5+ save but with some bullshit built in auto cover save. Probably not right, but imagine it

>>95832001
Don't have to, it's what they're getting apparently

>>95829663
Nah, that summary is retarded, especially because no one is fiddling around with the balance of immortals to deathmarks that much or swapping the immortals weapons to such a degree you can't just build one and say it's the other if needed. Hierotek is playable with one box just fine after the Technomancer buffs, and is optimal with just buying a Chronomancer as well (using the psychomancer is a meme). Claiming anything else is either retardation or trolling

>>95830436
Here's your (you) but you're trying way too hard to fit in

>>95832379
yeah, now if only I mentioned something exactly like this in my post and if only there was a big ass fuckoff green number 2 bang on in the middle of the hierotek circle box options in the summary
did everyone blow around from stupid town today or what the fuck

The teams are getting way too strong these past two boxes. Ratlings and Wrecka weren't this crazy.

>>95832422
Take your L and make a better guide, dipshit. The other guy was right in that saying "2 boxes" implies buying multiple of the same kill team box too, so it's a one box kill team that needs a second model not another box

Is the terrain that's gonna be in Typhon a new full set of terrain for setting up a whole kill floor, or is it something supplemental that would need to be like added to Volkus?

>>95832882
The latter, it's the last volkus box

The ad mech team looks decently fun, I hope it ends up being that way.

>>95832926
The admech fags are seething about them. I think the servitor team could be pretty cool. With how dogshit hunter clade are I don’t blame the admech fags for being mad.

>>95833889
I mean, I want more techpriests myself but I think they're doing something interesting here and I think the underseer's a cool priest to add to the collection.

Will my starstriders ever return to their A tier glory or should I just give in and buy some spess mahreens?

>>95834898
Sorry buck-o declassified this fall, no major buffs

>>95834898
Do you only play against waacfags with top meta teams? Do you play official GW events? Or do you just like to bitch and moan?

>>95834921
Yeah, that's the worst part. They've been fucked over then shot in the head.

>>95834966
>Do you only play against waacfags with top meta teams?
The main teams I play against are krieg, angels of death, phobos, and legionnaires. Those are what my friends play.

>Do you play official GW events?
No

>Or do you just like to bitch and moan?
Yes, I'll bitch and moan about their shitty balance all I want. Starstriders are such a cool faction they deserve more than being anally raped by GW and made into a shitty c tier team.

>>95835033
compfags like you have been a disaster for kill team

>>95835047
>I expect a team I bought to be decent or at a minimum okay in terms of balance
>FUCKING COMPFAG GO DIE
It's not me who's been the disaster for the game.

>me- Vespids
>opponant- Death guard
Went about as well as expected, when everything's poisoned and dies in 2 resolved hits (bolter discipline bullshit). Though I think it would have gone better if I didnt roll an unhealthy amount of 1's. What is the drones purpose? Just to follow around the sniper? The flame thrower still kind of sucks. The grenade launcher is fun though. (Pic is just a pregame shot, he hadn't updated his death guard for the update so I was just placing shit for fun.)

>>95835191
Only a retarded compfag would think they are not decent
I bet you've never once played a narrative scenario

The mould lines on the Kommandos are a real cunt huh

>>95835262
>I bet you've never once played a narrative scenario
I have, and also played many other games too that are far more narrative based. What now faggot?

>>95835581
I call bullshit, because if you had you would be able to balance games yourself instead of crying every thread for GW to do it for you

>>95835618
>It's up to the players to balance the game
>Narrative games should be balanced
Jesus christ, you are such a faggot. Are you enjoying licking GW's boots you little bitch?

The starstriders are amazing for Inquisitor which is what I'll mainly use them for. Doesn't excuse GW being retards and wiping their ass with them.

>>95835671
They are not so far imbalanced that you can't play a slightly asymmetrical killzone/mission or have a meta team take a slightly off meta roster and have a perfectly balanced game
The game is pretty well balanced for the most part and you'll never get to a situation where every team has a 50% win rate
You're being a histrionic faggot anon

>>95835238
Just drybrush that terrain, I'm begging you

>>95835684
Their winrate is 34% that is pathetic and well below a healthy rate.

>>95835711
>Muh tournament winrates
Fuck off compfag

>>95835722
>Reverts to namecalling and swearing after going in a full circle
I accept your concession

>>95835724
How fucking pathetic do you have to be to stop playing a team in casual play because they're not top of the meta. Incel-tier behavior
>If I can't have the best, I don't want to participate at all
Do you also only want to fuck virgin supermodels and eat only at michaeling restaurants?

>>95835711
The fact that you are quoting comfag winrates proves my point
Stop being such a retarded faggot

>>95835711
>muh tourney winrate
zero relevance to casual games played between friends
kys

>>95832457
Tyranids are a 5-man team, they were always going to be fucking nuts

>>95836029
>>95832457

Well nuts or completly useless, who knows what it will be in the end. They are supposed to be a slow starter team, with the tunnels they seem pretty inflexible in board controle, no real range damage, close combat damage seems not to much compared to wrecka crew(one more attack less damage) and on paar with assault intercessors that can at least shoot a bit and have shooty support only 6 wounds less but 3+ save. Sooo just wait.

>>95836093
>no real range damage
Venomspitter is one of the best guns in the game
>close combat damage seems not to much compared to wrecka crew
We haven't seen their proper close combat damage, the only profile we saw is the Venomspitter which is mostly ranged and probably has weaker melee than the others, also they fight twice

>>95836106
>Venomspitter is one of the best guns in the game
range 8 weaker then every rocket launcher /plasma/ melta so what are you talking about?
>cc stuff
SM fight twice as well (do wreckas? i have no idea) and yea the one guy has poison on its melee and the pincers of the tank are probably a power fist or similar. rest seem to be just scything talons.
BUT that undermines my point, we don't know enough to say if they are strong or weak yet...

>>95836131
Did you even read the article? For 1AP that gun gets Lethal 5+ an extra shot and unlimited range, and it already has either Piercing or Blast

>>95836136
>extra shot
I overread the extra shot yea kinda makes it pretty good, but still less damage then plasma per shot so i would need to do math what is better. and it costs an ap after all. and i suggest the weapon gets less support spotter or something)

>>95835775
>>95835787
>Winrates at tournaments have NO RELEVANCE TO THE STRENGTH OF THE TEAM WHATSOEVER AT ALL
The copium is real. You are fucking retarded. They’re an indication of how unbalanced the game is. Cope and seethe

>>95835695
Also wasn't finished. I only recently found a box at a local store. I just put a base on them for later work.

>>95836183
Yea kinda but there is such a small sample size and so many other factors that influence this that it is barely useful information. SM for example (in theory) have always lower winrates because it is the noob faction, chaos cult is way to expensive and hard to get (like a few others) so only a handful of people have these to begin with, some teams are decent but weak against the "meta" team(s) so the winrates go down but would be okay if we made a real "test every team against every team" tourney. n stuff like that.

>>95834921
Vetguard has gotten some major buffs so far, I wouldn't rule it out
They'll definitely not be made to be broken but buffs are very possible

>>95836183
So when you play with your mates you always play on official layouts?
Do you play with true line of sight? Do declare attacks at end of bayonets and other random bits?
Are you rotating your models so they're looking at walls to make smaller targets?
Do you pull non reciprocal shooting faggotry?
Are you using a marker to draw cover lines to autistically grind cover/obscuring?
Do you try and cheat out an extra half inch on every movement?
Are you always running meta loadouts/rosters to counter your friend?

If so, please do the world a favor and kill yourself
If not, your data has little to no relevance to the games you play and you should kill yourself for referencing it

By the time Im done with warpcoven GW is gonna announce some fucking new thousand sons bespoke kill team

>>95836485
Happens if you are late to the party, also i guess you will never be done with them anyways.

>>95836183
>>95836265
>>95836461
Like so often, it comes down to the question if you want to balance something to cater the top 1% of players, or the casual masses.

>>95836530
>>95836461
I just want to stop losing constantly to my friends. I don't think I'm playing that much worse, I usually win against the krieg but the space marines just fuck me. Maybe I just need a new kill team.

>>95836860
Does the same person play marines and death korps? How does the death koro player fare vs marines?
Marines are a tough matchup for most teams this edition, going to 3 objectives was a mistake IMO
Best advice I have is to try and play objectives and whittle them down as much as you can
It becomes a lot harder to play as marines when you've only got 3 operatives left

Are Mandrakes too tricky for a new player?

>>95839265
Depends on you. For an idiot, yes. For a decent person that does not mind making mistakes at the beginning and maybe loosing because of that, no. They are harder to use and learn but i would not say to tricky.

>>95839804
>loosing
>to tricky
Your English is getting better ESL-kun but you still shouldn't be calling anyone stupid

>>95837234
>Does the same person play marines and death korps?
Yes, without the extra 4 dudes too. Just built from the starter set. I do fine against this team and usually win.

>How does the death koro player fare vs marines?
The death korps always lose to the marines. It's not even close.

>Best advice I have is to try and play objectives and whittle them down as much as you can
I've tried, hot shot lasguns help, so does having two archeotech beams but I've only won a single game against the marine teams. And that was when he made a dumb mistake. Sometimes people let me play their teams instead of my starstriders but that's not a good feeling either. Are there teams that can actually beat elites besides other elites?

Are death korps a good kill team to get even if they are close to getting a pseudo legends treatment then getting phased out?
I’m thinking of getting them because no matter what there will still be a guard kill team that I could use the death korps are proxies for. But at the same time I’m not sure.

>>95843198
They're easy to use, I'd d say they're fun to play as, especially if you're into thematic KTs but don't expect to win a lot. Really great for a coop especially if your partner uses any kind of space marine.

What's the best team to play if you want to be able to get around the board fast? I've only really played Hierotek and am building Salvagers so I'm only really experienced with slower teams

>>95840974
Thx, i try. But it wasn't really meant to call anyone stupid, more criticising "MUST WIN or game is shit" - morons.

>>95844037
Mandraks, Void Dancers and Warpcoven.

>>95844037
Vespids (are over all bad) but ignore terrain while moving making them a bit faster.
Aquilons are semi fast becasue of the drop tokens.
several teasm have things like free sprint (only that i know right away is wyrmblade)
Blades of Khain have move 7"
Phobos have move 7"
mandrakes can teleport (making them probably the fastest)

>>95844037
Of everyone I'd say Corsairs are the team where being fast is the most core to their identity.

>>95844856
Harlequins moreso

>>95845971
Nah, I'd say Corsairs even more than Quinns. Quinns have a slight edge with climbing stuff but corsairs get an out of activation dash ploy as well as their lone operatives buffs encouraging you to really zoom all over the place to make the most of them.

>>95846016
In that case vespids that encourage moving for better shooting would be kind of on paar with that? also the "shoot closest target" stuff and fly.

I mean no one plays beta decima anyways but seems like the new tyranids are completly usless in that killzone. (and depending on how the walls work with the tunnels really good or not so good in gallowdark)

>>95847463
>mfw pulling out bheta decima every time my opponent wants to play tyranids

How are vespids? I’m about to paint mine up, how do they play?

>>95847463
Theme wise they'd make a great Genestealer proxy if the tunnels work well on Gallowdark. Genestealers slipping in and out of the vent 'tunnels' of a Space Hulk fits perfectly.

>>95850239
I miss my genestealers team :(

>>95851308
ok but what if
five patriarchs

How autistic are people about firstborn conversions for Angels of Death

>>95852012
Not at all, never happened. People would be shunned at my LGS if they demanded you play AoD with primaris only.

>>95852012
No one's going to care but you need some 40mm bases for the captain/sniper/heavy gunner, maybe add some tactical rocks to make them slightly taller

>>95851367
They could have just not thrown compendium teams in the bin. Fuck GW

>>95852012
I use my midhammer spess mahreens for games with friends with the old bases. I think it depends on who you’re playing with, some people at LGSes are turbo autists other people won’t give a shit.

>>95851308
Me too anon. Running 5 genestealers and 8 Hormagaunts was peak Kill Team for me. I pretty much never had an unfun game with them.

I'm thinking about doing some kitbashing with Malstrains to make the Raveners team.

>>95846108
Yeah they definitely give a bit of that vibe. Although being stuck on 2apl they arent as directly gottagofast as corsairs.

>>95853146
looks like they are smaller but i guess nothing a good tactical rock cannot compensate for.
>>95853146
>>95853121
>>95851308
what is stoping you from still playing compendium nids? i do.

>>95853195
>what is stoping you from still playing compendium nids?
Autism mostly.

>>95853279
yea but is the question, their own or that of others. we have one guy here that refuses to play against teams that no longer get balanced. (so he refused compendium while they where still legal)

>>95853195
>what is stoping you from still playing compendium nids?
The new edition, obviously, you fucking fuckwit

What would be a neat paint scheme for Nemesis Claw beyond the basic NL scheme? Dark blue and gold? Olive & brown? Cupcake yellow with baby blue frosting and rainbow sprinkles?

>>95853507
orange and teal

>>95853504
>fuckwit
pffft lol, poor guy is to stupid to convert the rules or are you EXCLUSIVELY playing on tournaments? if it is the later yea you are right and i don't care, if it is the first my condolescence (if you weren't an agressive asshole) but there are people that did the work for you already.

>>95853507
Pick up a different set of helmets and paint them as any legion/chapter you like

>>95853555
>jUsT hOuSeRuLe It

>>95853936
Some of us have triple digit IQ and friends to play with anon, don't get mad because you're a friendless retard

>>95853936
What houserule? you can literally translate nearly all abillitys, they are just renamed and if you don't like houserules ignore those that are not 1to1 in the new edition under another name. no houserules needed.

>>95853943
>>95853958
You people really love sucking off GW huh

>>95853979
>ignoring what gw does and still play the teams i like instead of buying new ones like GW intends is sucking off GW
Yea i totally understand your reasoning.

>>95853989
You're excusing them for not continuing to support hive fleet and all the other teams like they should've. I understand I could just take the old rules and use them but that doesn't make it okay that GW are being such lazy good for nothing cunts.

>>95853958
How did you solve equipment?
How have you restricted tac op archetypes?
If anyone plays 4man custodes, how have you made sure they don't literally break the kill op?
Have you made sure that basically no melee weapons have 2+ to hit anymore?
How did you determine when it is appropriate to downgrade relentless to ceaseless?
Did you let existing ceaseless weapons become better by just using the new ceaseless, or did you make sure they have the old reroll 1s?
How have you treated FNP abilities?
Have you remembered to fix APL modifiers to not last all game?
Have you re-introduced old weapon rules like unwieldy and reap, and if not, how have you replaced them?
Have you kept the old profiles for updated weapons like plasma, or changed them to match the new edition?
At the end of all of it, how do the re-introduced teams balance against existing ones?

There are a LOT of decisions to be made just when updating the old teams (above list is not exhaustive), even if you try to stay as faithful as possible. In a lot of cases, if you choose to stay accurate to the old rules, you go against design principles that the new edition have clearly established, and if you follow the way the new edition is built to work you instead have to choose how those new principles should apply. Either way you're losing something in translation.

>>95854009
We're not excusing them for anything. GW has no reason or obligation to support those teams and they were already depreciated well before KT24. GW can do whatever the fuck they like, I choose to run with the things I like and ignore the things I don't. How about you think for yourself instead of crying every thread about how you can't write rules for yourself and need GW to do everything for you.

>>95854014
You'd have the exact same issues if daddy GW issues you official conversions
What our group does is look at the teams we would like to play and come to an agreement before we play on a per game basis
Of course this requires having friends and a life so may not work for (you)

>>95854090
>We're not excusing them
>GW has no reason or obligation to support those teams
>Goes on to excuse them
You are fucking retarded. I hate this attitude. When I pay their insane over inflated prices I expect them to at a minimum support the models I bought.

>>95854114
There is literally nothing to be excused
GW told you over years ago that compendium rules were placeholders
You got the exact support GW told you they would provide you retarded nigger
Its not their or my fault that you never fucking learnt to read
If you spent a 10th of the time you use shitting every thread with the same fucking complaints on converting the rules for KT24 then you could have written a whole new system by now

>>95854136
*over 3 years ago

>>95854014
>Of course this requires having friends and a life
Correction: it requires having friends that are comfortable with and like to play using massive homebrews to the game, and putting in the work to put everything into a workable set of rules that everyone can agree on.
If your friends prefer non-homebrew, or say if your friends don't play KT/play very infrequently and you get all or most of your games by visiting a local gaming place and getting pickup games, you're going to have a tough time pitching your entire homebrew team.
And if you don't have an agreed on set of rules you will eventually end up in a situation where both players have built their gameplan off two different ways for a homebrew rule to be interpreted. It's just not workable long-term or if even one player has a slightly different mindset. That set of rules is also going to differ depending on the creator's answers to all the questions above, so it won't be universal or obvious.
So it's great that homebrew works for your group. It doesn't for everyone. Basing a homebrew off ex-official material is great because it reduces the amount of work you need to do, but it still comes with all the disadvantages of a full on homebrew. It's only better because it gives the illusion of being somewhat official.
>You'd have the exact same issues if daddy GW issues you official conversions
The official stamp bypasses pretty much all the issues of above, like it or not (and that applies even when the homebrew is of high quality, or official stuff is written poorly). That's why use of homebrews is so rare.

>>95854193
Buh, meant for >>95854090 obviously

>>95854009
Excuses... you really have no idea about the market right?
>>95854014
option one: universal equipment only. two: the old system only with 10 points. three: old system but universal equipment costs 2.5points.
what about the archetypes? they are still recon, seek and destroy, infiltration and security what do you need more?
we are only talking about nids befor sooooo thats a different topic
don't care
rule is gone so nerv i guess
yes
rules as written
is in the basic rules so yes
not part of tyranids but if they have no fitting replacement they are just gone
rules as written
team balance is and was always wack especially with compendium sooooo you know what you are in for

>>95854193
>play using massive homebrews to the game, and putting in the work to put everything into a workable set of rules that everyone can agree on.
You do the homebrew for the team you want to play. If you're bringing a homebrew team its your job to prepare everything and check its ok. No one else has to do any work other than reading a document.
>If your friends prefer non-homebrew, or say if your friends don't play KT/play very infrequently and you get all or most of your games by visiting a local gaming place and getting pickup games, you're going to have a tough time pitching your entire homebrew team.
Pitch it on your store's discord or talk to people in store and ask for their details to hash things about before the next game night.
>And if you don't have an agreed on set of rules you will eventually end up in a situation where both players have built their gameplan off two different ways for a homebrew rule to be interpreted. It's just not workable long-term or if even one player has a slightly different mindset. That set of rules is also going to differ depending on the creator's answers to all the questions above, so it won't be universal or obvious.
I don't know why you're making it out like this is some massive undertaking. You just need to put together a pdf/word document for one team based of the KT21 compendium that slots into KT24. You're not writing a fucking new game.

The "issues" above are literal non issues if you have basic social skills. If you don't have the ability to discuss a potential homebrew with another player I'd argue you're too autistic to even play the damn game.

>>95854136
>>95854212
More sucking of the corporate dick. GW have you well trained I see. Pathetic.

>>95854242
I don't get your reasoning (there is non after all) so nice talking with you i guess.

>>95854242
My main team is firstborn space wolves alternating as angels of death/legionaries because primaris are shit
I also run a tomb world homebrew because nucrons are retarded and crypteks look like shit
The real cocksuckers are the people like you that need official GW (tm) rules to play a game

>>95854212
These answers are interesting because they are one interpretation. You've elected to keep the old equipment in the game as an option alongside giving the teams access to the new stuff (an interesting thing to note is that old equipment means access to 3+ to hit full seek weapons for any team with access to old grenades). Outside this, you've elected to mostly keep the rules the same (even where this messes with core gameplay designs in the new edition), only avoiding that when it requires an actual update. This is a valid way to recreate the old teams (though just going by your answers, any weapon that previously had the unwieldy rule but not the heavy rule has suddenly become a weapon without movement restrictions so that might be worth looking at). It captures most of (but not all of) the letter of the RAW interpretation but doesn't go much in the way of the RAI interpretation.
Something could be said about each of your answers individually but the point I was making is that it is, in fact, a homebrew, and one that requires decisions to be made that will differ from person to person.

>>95854239
And what if the ones you play with say no? There are valid reasons for them to refuse your homebrew, and now you have no one to play against/can't use the team you were interested in.
That's also not accounting for the way using homebrew can affect your own experience. As someone who has made and tested a bunch of homebrews, they can absolutely make the game experience feel less genuine for the user whether they're unbalanced in your favour or the opponent's.
There's no use pretending that there are no good reasons to not homebrew. It's great when it works, but for the vast majority of players, for a varied set of reasons, it doesn't.

>>95854355
>(an interesting thing to note is that old equipment means access to 3+ to hit full seek weapons for any team with access to old grenades)
only the faction equipment universal equipment like granades n stuff are not part of the faction and so have changed just like special rules so, no wrong interpretation sry.
What messes with core gameplay? nothing as fahr as i can see just with new philosophy choices. (for unwieldy like i said i only talk from tyranids perspective i don use any other compendium team and have no idea if the same changes work with them so i do not care about unwieldy) those are the options that include nearly no decisions at all. what can be translated is and what can't is dropped.

>>95854262
>The real cocksuckers are the people like you that need official GW (tm) rules to play a game
So unless I play your shitbrew I'm a faggot? Go fuck yourself.

>>95854355
I find it a lot more realistic to find a few people to play a homebrew with vs expecting GW to rework and rebalance rules that were out of date over three years ago and were explicitly stated to be placeholders

>>95854524
No, if you need daddy GW to write rules for you because you're an illiterate nigger then you should stop wasting oxygen

>>95853467
Actual person your are responding to here.
No one I play with is willing to accept homebrew unfortunately. It's fine tho. I think I'll enjoy the raveners team almost as much anyway.
Maybe one day they will add another melee swarm that doesn't take 3 different boxes to assemble (chaos cult) or have unfun rules (Gellarpox).

>>95854922
>No one I play with is willing to accept homebrew unfortunately
sad sad, well i hope raveners will be really enjoyable for you (and the other players so they do not complain about the team being broken or whatever).

>>95854262
Good luck calvinballing in any event, retard. Rules changes are important for the rest of us who actually play the game.

Liddle bit more info for the missions from the new box. Raveners seem to be part of the npo's (for both types of missions competitive and joined) so you cannot really use them to play the missions from the box, what is quite the strange decision to make non of the missions playable with just the box itself. also you will have random event cards.

>>95855836
I don't get it, the missions use the raveners, so you cannot use the raveners to play them? isn't then the point to play the missions with admech against tyranids?

>>95856033
Yea for the coop missions that would be true (sad but meh) but for the competitive missions that would not work anymore. The competitive missions also use npo's this time.

>>95856033
The missions use raveners as NPO's so you cannot play them as a normal team.

>>95856115
>competitive missions also use npo
Oh so 1v1 but with neutral mobs?
That's awesome actually.

>>95856166
>>95856134
>>95856115
>>95856033
>>95855836
I don't understand what’s going on. Will I be able to play random pick-up games with Raveners at LGS or not?

>>95856202
Yeah yeah, he just means that the players vs NPO and player vs player with neutral mobs included in the box require the raveners as the NPOs, so you need a third team to play them.

>>95856335
Exactly that is what i meant, sry and thx.

>>95856335
For the co op missions you have 2 people playing 1 kill team

Besides not playing against them, how do you defeat Angels of Death with non-Elite teams such as Exaction or Aquilons?

>>95856941
>Exaction
Lose
>Aquilons
Take advantage of your greater activation advantage, turn one stage without giving them charge opportunities for next turn, turn two you have to play conservatively, eventually they'll have to expose a model, and you can try to blast it with your melta/plasma, hopefully in such a way that the counteract shoot back is obscured at minimum. Don't try to trade one for one, you'll run out first.

>>95856941
confuse and manipulate your opponent outside of the game so he makes more mistakes

>>95855569
This retarded faggot thinks using short marines as marines is calvinballing lmao

>>95855569
>>95858124

whats this about calvinism?

>>95858147
The only rule of calvinball is you can't play the same way twice. Certainly describes trying to recreate compendium teams in current edition. I find a more compelling argument to be that you can just use the old editions if playing with friends.

>>95858567
That's a lot of superfluous text when "I'm a retard" would've sufficed

>>95858567
one might describe such egregiously unsportsmanlike behaviour as being defined by *total depravity*.

>>95849842
>Ability to position? Great
>Powerful weapons? Great
>Some neat abilities? Love the fallout tokens.
But an elite team even entering the game shop causes them to disintegrate first turn. You pretty much are requiered to take aerial agility as your leaders commune ploy. Feel free to disregard my shit opinions though, I only played them twice and my rolls are severely cursed.

>>95860216
Space marines seem to be the bane of the game atm. It's not a game of rock paper scissors it's just rock smashing everything.

>>95860216
>Powerful weapons? Great
Really? aret all of they weapon low damage and rely on crits to deliver chipdamage??? I mean the strongest weapon is 4/4 devestating2.the others are basically 3/3 devestating2. I mean most weapons can get piercing1 but that just makes the weapons deliver chipping damage more reliable.

>>95861353
They can get lethal 5+ really easily now, so that devastating starts popping of really easily. Their main weakness is bad to hit stat.

What's the best team to run for Hearthkyn Salvagers? I skipped out on the dozer and kognitar because it felt like the other units were more useful, and took beamer/missiles/rotary for my gunners. My biggest issue is I kept feeling like I had my operatives in the wrong spot and movement range is so short it is tricky to get back into position. I like all the options you get, but felt like I just wasn't grouping units well

>>95861601
But that still just helps getting more reliable with chip damage, Not what i would call "powerful". Isn't that one of the reasons why they struggle with elite teams? being fragle and doing to little damage at once?

>>95861753
The damage increase is pretty big actually. Two 5+ rolls - not super unlikely with 4 dice and a reroll - and you deal 4 unblockable damage to the marine, which now has to save two crits (or potentially more) on two dice or lose at least half its wounds. For a basic warrior, that's a threat to a marine. Two of those shots is a good chance of a dead marine.
(above calculation made assuming both the reroll ploy, drone aura, and piercing rules are all active)
The devastating damage really helps push things over thresholds for them.
I'm not saying it's an insane marine-killer but it is a very valid way of getting rid of them. Much better than most teams' basic weaponry.

>>95862874
Sounds pretty effektive. Just does not feel like a "powerful" weapon because the damage values are so low, it is just extreamly reliable in delivering that low damage (what i basically said the whole time) leading to less potential damage but more chance to deliver making the average damage similar to plasma/melter?

Couple of questions about Disgustingly Resilient in 21, anons:
>Do I roll for all the damage I would receive from a round of attacks or for each attacking dice separately?
>Does it also work on mortal wounds?

>>95864005
For each dice seperatly.
"mortal wounds" i am not sure but i believe as long as they result from an attack and not any abillity then yes (but only if it is more than 3 at once because the two damages are calculated seperately,) But i do not know if the damage counts as "from an attack dice" at this point. that is just how we play it.

>>95864005
>Do I roll for all the damage I would receive from a round of attacks or for each attacking dice separately?
Technically yes, but for ranged damage you might as well count up the damage at the end and then roll - the one exception is...
>Does it also work on mortal wounds?
Yes, and if a weapon is inflicting damage with the mortal wounds rule you should make sure to determine how much damage goes through before your opponent has to decide on rerolls and such or not since that can affect whether they want to spend resources

>>95864533
>>95864583
Thanks anons

My hand of archon team arrives soon. I was thinking about going blast pistol and blaster for gunner. Hard to decide though. I think someone said the venom blade deals more damage on average but has less damage spiking. Is there a meta for what to go or is anything fine?

Typhon sold out in 5 mins. Every store in the US and Canada. How?

>>95868180
40k nid players desperately want the terrain and gaunts+raveners with it is good value.

>>95868180
The tyranids are damn cool. Both factions have fans who’ve been pissed off about the lack of a proper team so might have jumped at the chance to be in the new edition. I don’t count Hunter Clade they are beyond shit right now.

But let’s be real. Probably scalpers trying to make a quick buck.

>>95868059
The meta right now is for all teams "whatever is best against marines" but meta is a frickle stupid thing and usually changes a lot.

>>95868266
My friends play 8 or 10 man teams for so I’m not too worried about marines for now. The teams I’ll face are
>Sanctifiers
>Goremongers
>Kommandos
>Wrecka crew

>>95868180
Sold out? they are not supposed to be online yet right?

>>95868180
40koids and GW releasing something ever week so they have no where near enough production capacity to meet demand

>>95868289
Preorders in Australia go up about 4 hours ago

>According to Aussie pricing, Typhon pricetag is the same as for Combat Patrol boxes
It's still overpriced compared with almost any other company but for GW it's almost cheap.

>>95868298
Really? Didn't know that. Well sorry for you then, i still hope i get mine in two houres and maybe you can get yours that way as well.

>>95868383
The normal or the more expensive combat patrole ones?

>>95868383
So it's more expensive than previous KT boxes

>>95868459
Is it now? Blood and Zeal was about 105EUR in my country while all the Combat Patrol boxes are usually 85-95EUR depending on for how long they are collecting the dust already.

Okay, me and my buddy are new player but want to make sure: when a unit has a strategic gambit on their data card, that means you activate it like a strategic ploy in that phase, but it doesn't cost any CP to do so, right?

>>95868569
Right, as long as there is no mention of a cost, it is free.

>>95868577
Nice, thank you anon. I really wish the core rule book was laid out better and more straightforward on some things. I feel like I am often lost looking for info in it that will be in like two entirely different places

>>95868600
Yea sometimes it is strange. It would help if they had a more complex index like in previous 40k rulebooks with noteworthy keywords.

>>95868180
I found a reputable store online in Canada that still has Typhon boxes. Just ordered mine 10 minutes ago.

>>95868383
They had to up the price because you get a sprue of Hormagaunts, please understand

>>95868464
It's 170USD, Blood and Zeal was 130USD

>>95868464
Blood and Zeal was/is around 90 (with discount applied ofc) i believe.
Its still available for 94 here for example:
https://www.miniaturicum.de/Kill-Team-Blood-Zeal-DEUTSCH

I just ordered Typhon for 104€ from a different german store, which is not too bad, considering it includes a lot more (and better imo) terrain.

>>95868715
Just ordered mine but man the count goes down fast, not even a minute after going on over 50 copies where already sold (by just that one shop and he had around 200 copies to begin with).

Unsurprisingly didn't last long on EU stores either

>>95868732
There are still many that have the box (all three i am looking at at least).

>>95868728
Yes, i noticed it too. Kutami shows how many were available and they also had 200 i believe, and now its already down to 150-ish, after 10 minutes.

But i think some smaller online stores will have a few boxes available even after release, similar to the Blood and Zeal i linked above.

>>95868739
yea i als notced the count going up by two at some point. some will cancel their orders and in the end the store may receive more boxes than known they got a guarantee for.

>>95868732
Luckily I only want Nids so I will simply grab them on the secondary market for 40 eurobucks in 2 weeks.

>>95868732
Pretty much every german online store still has it available. Here are 4, maybe on of them has good shipping rates to your country:

https://www.kutami.de/Warhammer-Kill-Team-Typhon-englisch

https://taschengelddieb.de/kill-team-typhon-englisch

https://games-island.eu/Kill-Team-Typhon-Englisch

https://www.radaddel.de/detail/index/sArticle/21334

>>95868747
Its one of the rare times i like both teams AND the terrain enough to bother with the pre-order.
Nids are great, and servitors are awesome too.

>>95868749
fantasywelt completly out of order right now, when they come back on they probably have some as well.

>>95868770
Their site was down before, so i did not bother to double-check. Seemed kinda weird that their store goes down, considering its one of the biggest ones. Usually its Taschengelddieb that is KO during high demand sales.

>>95868753
I like Servitors as well but I'm already working on DG and AoD. My gf is getting Mandrakes soon and I will have to help her with them as well. I can barely justify getting Nids at this point but fuck me if I don't like elite teams, they are usually great hobby projects.

>>95868784
Who knows, some joksters ddosing them or something.

>>95868180
>get a notification that Typhon is up for preorder
>go to GW website
>already sold out
Eh, it was to be released at the start of my vacation anyway, so I would not have been there to pick it up anyway.

>>95868857
Pure copium

>>95868857
>>go to GW website

Thats a you-issue.

Former 40kfag here, I heard that this game's pretty good. I've been thinking about dipping my toes in Kill Team.

>Do the box sets come with everything you need?
>I heard that this community is full of WAACfags, is this true?
>Is there any list customisation or do you just take what's in a box?

>>95869018
do they come with everything you need: this is still the same company so take a guess (most teams are playable but not optimal with one box, the rules for the teams are free online but like always rulebook terrain measuring devices n stuff is only in the starterbox if at all)
waacfags, kinda, we have a lot but there are also lots of chill guys,
there is minimal customization for most teams, some a bit more some have non at all.

>>95869018
Download the books first, to glance over the rules.

>everything you need

Most of them do. Some require a 2nd box to give you all the options. Also there are cards for each faction that are not included in single boxes.

>WAACfags
Depends on where you are. Here KT players are pretty chill, but maybe the store next city already has the most sweaty guys playing there. In general, its a pretty competitive game, but it totally depends. If you played 40k, you probably know the players in your area already anyway.

>list customisation
There is, to some degree. Look over the rules for the factions you find interesting to see more.

>>95869114
Do people actually buy those cards? I just print off the rules myself

>>95869197
Yes, because its convenient.

>>95869225
Power to them I guess. Personally I find it more convenient to print out a few pieces of paper with the rules written on them.

>>95868180
Never preordered anything gw and in my country there's a single shop with it listed. Wonder if I'll get it or they'll just say "sorry we didnt get it actually lol"

>>95869197
They're useful to have but I wouldn't pay extra for them plus most KT24 cards are already out of date

>>95869259
Thats fair, but desu, nice cardboard cards feel very good in your hand, generally speaking.
GWs cards are very expensive, that ofc is no surprise, but they are quite good quality and well made (compared to some stuff you get from boardgames for example).
Would it be possible to do them like that yourself: For sure. But it would require more than just printing on regular paper. (which is what i usually do myself for teams).
I have some of the official cards from Nightmare, Hivestorm and Blood and Zeal, because in the big sets they were included, and i bought that set for Blooded together with the Typhon set (see pic above), because Blooded are my most played team currently, and also because they were on a lower than usual discount.

>>95815654
How are you this dumb? I'm not even going to answer it.

>>95868180
GW spends too many resources making AOS stuff for their employees to toss in the trash later. If they just canceled AOS, most of their supply issues would be gone.

It's frustrating; It seems like most of the AOS stuff just goes in the dumpster, meanwhile Howling Banshees and Dire Avengers have been sold out for months.

People think I'm full of it, but about 80% of AOS stuff goes into the dumpster, unopened. That's what's causing the supply issues.

Pic related. These pieces of shit will be in a landfill for 10,000 years.

>>95869413
>>95869259
Buying GW's cards and even books always feels like a terrible idea considering that they are getting multiple erratas within a few months or even weeks. Most of their codices should get an updated reprint within the same edition.

>>95870202
Not only that but so far both of the softcover rulebooks I got from gw are falling apart, one of them is only a few months old.

>>95870259
My hardcover Blood Bowl rulebook was already falling apart after the first use. I have fullart Black Templar and Dark Angels codices from their respective army boxes and they are okay but I'm hesitant about even touching them at this point.

>>95870259
>>95870367
what are you guys doing with them? the only book of mine that falls apart is the rulebook from 4th edition and the deldar and necron codex from the same time. all my other books are at least okay even after month of use.

>>95870386
>what are you guys doing with them?
Nothing, they were all awful out of the box already. GW's Chinese subcontractor simply sucks ass, that's it.

>>95870403
My hivestorm books are still in good condition and i have many books from last edition that still hold up nicely despite using them soooo is it a question of quality control that only some are shit?

>>95870428
Perhaps GW has a few different suppliers so the quality varies? I have seen multiple people complaining about the quality of books and non-plastic components in general so I don't think it's extremely unusual.

>actually got the Typhon box set
>think about it and no longer want it

>>95870641
Just sell it, from the look of it there wasnt a lot stock.

>>95870202
>multiple erratas

hardly anyone in my gaming group cares.

>>95870386
Open it? Not even laying it out flat on the table. The glueing to the spine is just ass.

>>95870919

>based GW making it easier for people to scan and upload for the masses

Typhon dossier has a section for PvPvE too

>>95871252
Yes that was mentioned in the last article. Seems like all missions in the box (pve and pvp) use NPO's.

Does the boxset come out next week or in two weeks?

>>95871335
14 days preorder. so in two weeks.

How easy would you say the new terrain is to print out on fdm? Did not want 2 teams, but even buying the terrain from someone seems like a waste for just having "random spike" and "tree stump but alien"

>>95871528
Most of it should be damn easy and even the hardest parts should be simple but require a bit more cleanup.

>>95871499
Alright, thank you anon

>a bunch of batreps from (((sponsored))) tubers already out
>in all of them raveners win
sus

>>95871678
Is the question: on purpose? raveners easier to learn and handle? battleclade just bad against elites (or them in particular)? or are they simply to strong?

>>95871678
>elite teams dominating the meta
>hyper elite 5 man team consistently beating normal 10 man team
It sure is a mystery…

>>95871528
This may be of interest
>>95685146

>>95871678
>team that can absorb potentially a lot of damage before losing anything of importance and that has some heinous tricks it can pull if the opponent hasn't learned how to counter those tricks
>vs a team with movement weakness that needs to extract subtle advantages out of a resource shuffling system to use more intricate strategies that no one has had to work with before
Seems pretty reasonable to me that raveners would be the team that is favoured when neither side has much experience with their team, the team is more about picking as good an option as possible out of a wide variety of good options while servitors are more limited.

>>95869018
If you have someone really uptight about WYSIWYG, you might want to magnetize your models for some weapon swapouts. I've come across some waacfags, but for the most part KT also brings some pretty decent dudes to the table. "Everything you need" is pretty dependent on the team you're playing. For my Plague Marines, I just assembled a box and rolled with it. For Hunter Clade, I had to mix and match a couple of boxes of Skitarii so I could have both rangers and vanguard, and also toss in a box of Sicarians for making elite teams a lot less of a threat.

Now that i have seen some battlereports, both teams look really fun. The tunnel system seems quite strange making the team super dependent on the area the tunnel is what is quite bad for a melee team with low operative count not being able to spread out. still seem strong.

Any idea for alternative heads for the ravener prime? i hate that fin.

>>95875218
Just use any spare and paint the crest in a different colour.

>>95875244
That is plan B.

Does anyone know what base size the new raveners are and what base size the old red terror model has?