Are they the most misunderstood Warhammer faction?

No

>>95817466 (OP)
No, their motivations are pretty straightforward. I don't think anyone misunderstands them, but some people have bad taste and fail to properly appreciate them for what they are, which is the best faction in the setting.

>>95817538
>lelith art that focuses on her having big tits
noncanon and retarded

>>95817466 (OP)
This is giving me
>You don't get him like I do, I can change him
energy
I think my sex slave likes the rape too much, she's not giving me enough negative energy to feed off of

>>95817553
Given that she's leaning forward and her arms are pressing her tits together, I'd say the size of her breasts in the picture is within the acceptable margin of error for accurate representation of her mini.

>>95817538
>767x1024

Hello brown creature. Did you know that when booru chimps like you are viewing an image, there's usually an option to "display at full size"? Try it out.

In the grim darkness of the 40th century, they're the brave souls to stand up and say no to pants.

>>95817466 (OP)
Yes, and they're called "Dark Eldar".

>>95817466 (OP)
>chaos elves but the writers are too afraid to admit that
nothing of value here

>>95818985
You're thinking of WFB Dark Elves.

>>95818799
You can tell where I got the image from its filename.
But the fact that you apparently don't know how to do that before offering your opinion says everything I need to know

>>95819209
>I'm retarded and I save samples

Not really helping your case here.

>>95818992
No because the wfb dark elves don't actually have that problem. Not only is worship of chaos gods a perennial factor for the dark elves meaning that the closeness to their rape murder fest to the rape murder gods acknowledged, we also have a lot of explanations for why the rest of dark elf societ don't go over to the chaos gods (Namely their exist8jg gods already provide them with magic booms for being psychopaths, Malekith is too much of a megalomaniacal psychopath to accept any superiors even divine, a thorough and an ever-present surveillance culture.
The 40k dark eldar are just doing slaanesh shit 24/7 explicitly involving slaanesh without being slaanesh cultists because the writers say so.

>>95820542
Of their rape murder gods to the chaos rape murder gods is acknowledged. *
Sorry I messed that one up.

>>95820542
I've rarely seen someone undermine their own argument so quickly.

>>95817466 (OP)
Misunderstood how?

>>95818992
Nah, the Dark Eldar are the biggest Slaanesh cult in the galaxy, even if they don't want to admit it to themselves.

>>95820542
Malekith and pals are NOT off the hook here, but Fantasy is at least not autistically dedicated to chaos being a humans only faction. Chorfs are what Delfs should be, Khaine should be a minor chaos god that Helfs/Welfs pretend isn’t part of their pantheon.

>>95818985
>>95820886
Chaos elder are a completely separate and way more horrific thing. Like, canonically speaking, all the different forms of eldar immediately put aside their differences without a second thought to deal with them.

That's the point of the dark eldar: all the horrible shit they do is just a combination of staving off chaos, and the ultimate end result of what happens to a society that gets too decadent.

Nothing to do with it, but I once replaced the Dark Elves with the Howenh of the Selknam culture.
Yes, they're naked, except for their helmets/masks and body paint.

>>95817466 (OP)
Coomers love Dark Eldar but they don't realise if you enjoy what they are doing they'll just cut your face off Cartel style because that's not the point.

>>95817466 (OP)
No, they are objectively evil, vain and cruel

>>95819216
So the good news is, I'm going to continue to post the compressed image in Lelith threads purely out of spite since you're suffering invigorates me, the bad news is that so far, in this thread, I'm the only person who is unambiguously white, and you can verify that if you actually open all the images.

What I don’t understand about them is how their society persists. For example, WHY would any Drukhari EVER consider having children? The lore addresses why a Drukhari woman would ever consider getting pregnant and bearing a natural child — a flex showing off how powerful and connected she is that she can willingly expose herself to weakness and no one can touch her. Okay fine. But WHY would she produce a child AT ALL? The child will have to be cared for until he or she grows up, will have to be educated, etc, and WHAT do the parents get out of this process? Even if the children are wholly vat-grown, what do the Haemonucli get from doing this? Who pays them for this production? Who would pay for that? What are children WORTH to anyone in that society? Everyone is a rival. They may get into whirlwind romances which are liable to break down on any perceived slight, but generally the closest one Drukhari gets to another is frenemy and their entire lives is competing in a rat race. Their only relief is torture and violence — meaning, any individual Drukhari would feel infinitely closer to some random non-Eldar prey they get to slowly torture to death than they do one another. Like, could you picture it? Two Drukhari are longtime associates in a gang, but they can NEVER get too close or show any weakness to one another, and that’s how their relationship will stay until one slips up and the other is obligated to take advantage of it. But then, if one gets their hands on a random human slave, they will immediately disappear for weeks as they gleefully “get to know” the poor human as intimately as possible to get the very best and most intense screams and mental anguish. They’ll be totally consumed in this activity, not worrying about showing weakness, feeling emotionally and mentally satisfied in a way that they could NEVER get from another Drukhari — because even mistake could be lethal or permanently damaging to one’s standing. How could this persist?

>>95823640
>But WHY would she produce a child AT ALL? The child will have to be cared for until he or she grows up, will have to be educated, etc, and WHAT do the parents get out of this process?
To flex that she can have potential rival right next to her and controll it. Or just parential love, there was story where rebell DE was killed by poisonous kiss by his daughter who turned out to be Vect's agent.
>Even if the children are wholly vat-grown, what do the Haemonucli get from doing this?
Something to experiment on. They are weirdos even among Dark Eldar, they can do favour for you for a smile or if you give him your name, or make century long plan to fuck you up because you walked in wrong way and he saw you.
Who pays them for this production?
Cabal that needs footsoldiers.
>What are children WORTH to anyone in that society? Everyone is a rival
Skilled children are worth a lot because they can work for you, and are too low to be your rival yet, if they rise ranks then it's problem for another day.
>meaning, any individual Drukhari would feel infinitely closer to some random non-Eldar prey they get to slowly torture to death than they do one another.
Not true, you don't get close to your food, because this is what torturing prey is to dark eldar food. All "getting to know" your prey is just DE equivalent of cooking a meal, in the end slave don't matter. Any relationship is walking on eggshells and you can be betrayed at any time, but this just means you have to keep your partner on short leash. One of most voilent relationships was between Vect and Malys, Vect got bored of Malys so she ended up becoming biggest rival to Vect, creating her own Cabal.

Just assume anything DEldar does is to flex on others, make his position better or because he is weird and have a whim, last one is especially true with Haemonucli, they are weirdos.

>>95821072
>That's the point of the dark eldar: all the horrible shit they do is just a combination of staving off chaos

Everything they do only makes Slaanesh stronger though. They are just sacrificing the souls of other races to Slaanesh instead of their own. So like I said, they are just Slaanesh cultists in denial about what they really are.

Also about soul-feeding, I get the sense this is mainly satisfied via the arenas. I wonder if getting to personally torture a prey to death is only for the rich, or as a “gift” by a generous raid leader, etc. and for the vast majority they get what they need from the mass performances by the wych covens.

>>95823775
But even that setting is hard to buy. Like, WHY would a Drukhari be that pious about rejecting daemonic support? Yeah Vect strictly outlaws it, but….that’s only a problem if you’re caught right? It seems like at least half of the population would instantly take advantage of a pact if they had the opportunity.

>>95823809
>It seems like at least half of the population would instantly take advantage of a pact if they had the opportunity.

Maybe they do and we just don't hear about it in the lore.

>>95823791
Arena is show buisness. It's expensive but popcorn is included in ticket's price.
Lower class have very limited acess to arenas, they either get some runnaway slaves or just torture another dark eldar who isn't in any organisation so have no protection. There is reason why vatborn are mass produced, because most of them die on streets. By joining Kabal, Conven or Wych Cult you became rich and get protection, anyone who isn't part of organisation is free loot.
>>95823809
Problem with daemons and slaanesh is that Dark Eldar are afraid of them, and Slaanesh is constantly sucking their soul. Making deals with daemons always backfire and most dark eldar who make deal with daemons end up badly. You have diferent outlook on daemons if being near them would take away your lifespan.

A fun thought: what would happen if a Drukhari (or maybe any Eldar) got corrupted by any chaos god Slaanesh? Would Slaanesh get enraged and make it a mission to get that soul back? Say some Drukhari decided to sell his soul to Nurgle for eternal life? In fact, is that soul even available for sale? The fact that Craftworlders can store souls in jewelry does suggest they have some control over it.

>>95823923
There are chaos eldar on the crone worlds.

>>95823923
Eldar have been corrupted by Nurgle a few times (once willingly on a craftworld, once when invading Nurgle's garden and getting instantly owned). I'd bet some of them are at risk from Khorne too if they go too Khainite. Tzeench seems the only one straight out since Seers are too smart for that and are pretty well protected.

>>95823923
Slaanesh wouldn't care because as I understand it, Slaanesh gets to automatically claim any Eldar soul, regardless of what gods, chaos or not, a particular Eldar may be dedicated to.

>>95825415
Nah the gods in thrall to other gods are protected from Slaanesh's influence. It's another route to survival. There are also presumably some remaining eldar - though maybe all just daemon princes or whatever now - who are surviving Slaanesh cultists.

>>95821569
your*

>>95823923
It's race of who will claim said soul first and Slaanesh have biggest initiative stat.
Other gods might claim Eldar their corrupted but must be quick about it before Slaanesh who always have eye for Eldar snatch them.
Does he feel robbed? Sure but who cares it's not like Chaos Gods aren't in perpetual timeless war with each other. Remember that Nurgle stole Isha right in front of Slaanesh and Dark Prince can't do anything about it.

Are there Drukhari who go on extreme safari trips into underhives or similair places or is it too dangerous for them to be away from Commorragh for long?

>>95825568
They do and Underhive is not dangerous when compared to Commorragh. Problem is if you are influencial DEldar and leave your office for some time you might return to it being occupied.
On other hand realspace raids are preformed only by rich and influential, meaning organisations like Kabals, Wych Cults and Haemonculi Covens, who have resources for it and to be sure that they have home to return to in Commorragh.
From examples Haemonculi decided to troll population of some mining planet my sneaking on it and spooking people to death for fun. Wych Cults sometimes hunt specific prey like Lelith almost kidnapping High Marshall of Black Templars, who was only saved by Legion of the Damned ex machina. Influencial DEldar can go on safari if he wishes, to be fair he will be safer from real threat, his rivals there, there is bigger chance if he die for his remains to be returned to Haemoncus to regrow him

>>95817538
There are also the coomers that just see a pretty space elf and fail to realize that Dark Eldar are true sickos and closer to a mix between a deranged methead and a fucking vampire that wants to inflict your poor mon-keigh body with all kinds of agony imaginable just to get their fix. There is no fixing them, they are predatory sadists that feed on pain.

>>95823809
Because the Dark Eldar know that slaanesh is going to inflict unimaginable torment on them if she ever catches their souls. They fear and hate chaos for a fucking reason.

>>95823861
I feel like while it might be easy enough to hide an alliance to Khorne or Tzeentch, Nurgle's gifts would probably be a giveaway.

It’s said that DEldar are prone to any and all depraved fucked up desire / behavior, with powerful figures being particularly messed up. Does that mean if there’s a wealthy / influential DEldar who acts perfectly level-headed, polite and generous towards everyone is absolutely guaranteed to have a fucked up kink, hobby, etc, that’s so bizarre / extreme that he/she has to keep their true self carefully hidden at all times? Or is it more respectable to have an extreme desire out in the open, like a Haemonculi who’s obsessed with erasing the ability to smile from the galaxy and won’t hide it?

>>95826201
Entire Dark Eldar society is made up of depraved fucks who need suffering of others to live and are located in alternative dimension that is bdsm dungeon.
They don't hide fact they are depraved fucks, they all know they are and they revel in it. They still follow strickt protocol and are on alert when interacting with eachother and especially when doing diplomacy with other races, but there is no reason to hide your depravity from other DEldar, they are the same or worse. Only thing you hide is your real plan concerning others, they alredy know you will gladly kill them and most likely alredy plan to do so, so they counterplan plan how to fuck you up or keep in line if you are usefull.
Only group that I know is hidding their true purpose are Haemonculi of Phoenex discipline, they want to awaken Ynnead the old way, aka kill all Eldar, so Ynnead awakens, kill Slaanesh and cause rebirth of Eldar race, while Phoenexes will move to take controll and rule reborn race. They are secretive about their ideology because openly saying you want to kill everyone kinda put target on your back, other disciplines ideologies and skills are something they present openly and flex on others.

>>95826071
A haemonculus might be able to play it off as "additions" they made themselves.

>>95821072
He's going to buckbreak that deldar, isn't he?

BTW, could a Craftworlder spend any length of time in Commorragh without losing control of their psyche? Would it take someone far along in a Path discipline to experience the place and holding on to their willpower?

>>95826689
Commoragh does not corrupt the Deldar, it is the Deldar who corrupt themselves and perpetuate the cycle. There is nothing inherent to the place itself that leads to the eldar living there becoming depraved fucks. It is wholly cultural on the part of the Dark Eldar. So yes, a a Craftworlder that sticks to their own traditions and culture could spend time within Commoragh just fine, assuming he can survive the attentions of the locals. It is behaving like a Deldar that leads to becoming a sicko that needs to feed on suffering, not being in commoragh.

The opposite is also true, a Deldar, if truly dedicated to it, can be redeemed and integrated into a Craftworld society, though their psychic powers will probably never really resurface properly.

>>95826689
Yes no problem, only question is why would Craftworlder go to Commorragh? This place sucks, it's dark because some faggots decided to kill 3 stars that were supposed to give light to city, and locals are trying to kill and torture everyone including eachother. Dark Eldar aren't bad because they live in Commorragh, Commorragh is bad because Dark Eldar live there.
Only case of non Dark Eldar willingly going into Commorragh are harlequins with preformance or as messengers from craftworld, or corsairs who are alredy on slippery slope and are alredy hard to distinguish from DEldar.

They're not even the most misunderstood Eldar faction in the setting

>>95826769
explain please?

>>95826758
They'd go to Commorragh because it's the center of the Webway and the largest port in the galaxy. The thing is, the Craftworlders mostly use the Corsairs as intermediaries when they need to have someone in Commorragh.

>>95820542
You're 100% right. Eldar gods are explicitly crafted in order to let the eldar/elves act out without empowering the chaos gods. The fact the deldar can just get by without them is complete bullshit.

>>95826952
The deldar explicitly do not get away with it. The behavior they conduct is precisely what causes the thirst/soul drain, and keeping it up only "refills" the proveribal bucket that is their leaking souls. Any Dark Eldar can, with sufficient effort and self dicipline, adopt the lifestyle of a craftworlder which stops the soul leakage alltogether. The Craftworlders do not suffer from the thist. They use soulgems to safeguard their souls the moment they die, not to stop slaanes from sucking out their souls while they are alive. The sicko behavior of dark eldar is what gives slaanesh a grip on their souls and lets her leech on them while they are still alive.

Me, an exodite, silently judging all other factions of eldar.

>>95826942
From what I remember from multiple Eldar codexes and that one book they asked DEldar for help, usually clowns act as envoys between Craftworlders and Dark Eldar. usually no one in Commorragh fucks with clowns, they have "i fear nothing but clowns scare me" privilege and even are only psykers allowed in Dark City.

>>95827058
Me an Biel-Tan Eldar judging you for being weak and waiting for someone to attack you so you start begging for help.

>>95827058
The exodites are just content with letting the galaxy be overrun by lesser races and the slow inevetable extinction of the Eldar race given how they all live in their isolated planets and are reliant on the protection of the Craftworlders from genocidal enemies of the Eldar that profiliate all across the galaxy.

What group of Eldar are the most likely to feminize me and make me serve them as a sissy maid?

>>95827073
>>95827075
Based and Biel-Tan pilled. The rebirth of the ancient days cannot come trough primitivism and retreating from the galactic stage, it can only come from fire, blood and the righteous eradication of the Mon'keigh.

>>95818941
So edgy even drinking your cheap walmart boxed wine has to be a hassle.

It’s hilarious how much female fan art Dark Eldar and Night Lords get.

>>95827082
Banshees or Wyches

>>95821072
>That's the point of the dark eldar: all the horrible shit they do is just a combination of staving off chaos, and the ultimate end result of what happens to a society that gets too decadent.
If an outside observer can't tell the difference between Deldar and actual factual Slaanesh-praising Eldar, Chaos might already be inside the building.

>>95827236
yeah

>>95827236
>can't tell the difference between Deldar and actual factual Slaanesh-praising Eldar
That's easy, the latter are dead.

>>95826812
Craftworld life is typecast and understood in fragments, and based on who you're talking to resembles either an Amish commune, Star Trek Vulcans, a University, or Major Payne for the Path of Outcast types

>>95827574
Fair enough. We don't know enough about craftworld life. I just assume each operates differently enough that anyone's interpretation can be at least partially correct.

>>95827574
>resembles either an Amish commune

Isn't that the exodites since they shun advanced technology and live basically a medieval existence?

>>95827276
Whether or not they actively praise slaanesh or not, they are serving him with their every action. The fact that their heads are too far up their own asses to see that very obvious fact is part of the irony that makes them compelling. They're cosplaying the folktale Appointment in Samarra on a society-wide scale.

>>95820542
>without being slaanesh cultists because the writers say so.

Isn't it canon that there is in fact a large Slaanesh cult in Delf society led by Incest Mom?

>>95821072
That coat is too pimp not to belong to a Tzeentch follower.

>>95818985
DE are literally the shit that gave bird to Slaanesh. They are completely corrupted by the god of excess, even if they reject her. And yeah, you can be tained by chaos even if you don't directly worship it.

The only reason they don't bow to Slannesh is because, unlike humans, she just want to consume them as quick as possible, not their worship.

>>95827929
Its a harlequin coat, one of the ones with that field projector that breaks up your silhouette

>>95827676
statements true, but I'd consider Exodites more of a hippy commune. Craftworlders and Amish alike construct buildings and live a strictly regimented lifestyle

>>95825653
>influencial D.E.I.dar
Damn libtards ruinin Commorragh!!

There’s not this huge divide between Eldar and DEldar. They are the same people, just the DEldar developed a soul-thirst and lost their psychic powers. The DEldar’s way of life is not completely alien to Craftworlders who have to CONSTANTLY focus their willpower on disciplining their natural desire to run wild into excess. A Craftworlder who sees a DEldar’s life is distributed, NOT because it’s alien but because they can easily see themselves being like that. Even though they don’t have the soul-thirst, they can see what it must be like to get into it.

If a DEldar sees a member of a lesser race, they’ll get excited at the prospect of being able to indulge in sadism. A Craftworlder would think it’s best not to get involved with other races — but! No one would care if some racial chaff disappeared, and no one will see them do anything anyway…they could totally get away with it….hmmmm…! Their imagination would naturally want to start racing towards the nasty shit they COULD do, and how novel and cool the experience would be, etc. It takes a huge amount of indoctrination and constant supervision within the structured Craftworld society to stop Eldar from acting on those impulses. Corsairs exist exactly or the reason for those Eldar would can’t stand being completely suppressed all the time and would like to cut loose now and then. Likewise, a DEldar would see the Craftworld society as, well, frightening, but they can see how it would be the best surest way to survive.

>>95828127
I stand by my statement.

>>95828370
Aren't there also examples of Craftworld Eldar going Dark and then going back later, the whole thing basically being accepted as "it's another Path, I guess?"

BTW are Drukhari all muh ancestors like the Aeldari? Like, if Drukhari saw a Necron, would he/she be thinking that the War in Heaven has restarted or is it more like “I wonder if I can loot it…” I sort of get the sense they couldn’t care less about ancient galactic history, and everything in front of them is a threat, an opportunity, or both.

>>95828381
It's just a phase Eldar teens go through.

>>95827716
By that logic entire Imperium is one big Khornate cult.
>>95828417
Dark Eldar are all about finding excitement in life, they don't care about muh history and ancestors. They would just want to find way to torture necrons and make them scream for fun of it.

>>95828438
>By that logic entire Imperium is one big Khornate cult.
Yes. Orks too. It's always been that way. Khorne is the strongest chaos god for a reason. Murder-death-kill always feeds him regardless of rationale or circumstances.

>>95828435
"Hey! Are you torturing humans to death in there?"
"Leave me alone, Mom! You wouldn't understand!"

>>95827927
They go back and forth on that, sometimes within the span of an edition

>>95828438
>By that logic entire Imperium is one big Khornate cult.
That would explain some things, you’ve gotta admit.

>>95826769
What's misunderstood about a dying society desperately turning to necromancy to try and preserve the dwindling population of living as long as possible?

>>95827676
Exodites still have the fancy weapons and shit, they just don't give up manual labour like farming and hunting.

>>95827150
>local wych takes you to a haemonculi to turn you into a perfect trap and make you 50x more sexual sensitive, force your clitty into a permanent and frustrating erection bulging against your cage, and make it so your arousal can't calm down without orgasm and you can't orgasm without her permission

>>95817538
The faggy push to make every culture in fantasy generic grey and gray cookie cutter clones of each other makes me appreciate these smug gloriously evil supremacist bastards all the more.

Party on Witch Elves.

>>95828381
>>95828435
There is a point where what you do in Commorragh pisses off Isha so much she severs your connection to your soul stone, and the process of binding to a soul stone as an adult is painful and traumatic and most Deldar who would try it would literally die of shame and guilt in the process

>>95829700
It would take an extraordinarily strong-willed Drukhari to pursue conversion to Aeldari to begin with. That lifestyle is NOT a natural state for their race.

>>95830188
Yes there's a short story called Dark Son about a trueborn Incubus who becomes a Striking Scorpion after getting captured alive, it's probably the best thing Gav Thorpe has written.

I wonder if everyone in Commorragh has a hidey-hole where they put critical valuables, go to sleep, etc? The place is basically a constantly-growing, shifting megastructure, so there’s probably countless little air pockets, spaces, rooms, tunnels, etc, that no one has ever set foot in for millennia or maybe even at all. Or is that dangerous too? If you find a spot in the under-strata there’s a chance you unknowingly stepped foot in a Hamenaculi’s territory, a fact which a genetically-engineering spy inspect has identified and transmitted to its master?

>>95830331
yes
there are places hideously overcrowded, there are places no one has visited in millennia, there are slave societies that are allowed to be "free" so they can be raided for fun, there are mercenaries, there are daemons, there are genestealers, there are cults, there are portals to other webway dimensions and god knows where else, there is everything really

>>95826719
That makes no sense
>Option a: feed off the suffering of others forever and feed your arch enemy like a cuck
>Option b: wear a magic safety rock on your person

Why would any eldar be a dark eldar if they can just switch like that? Fuck it why do dark eldar not just wear soul stones then and skip the expensive soul feeding?

>>95830916
Because it isn't the magic safety rock that guards the eldar against slaanesh while they are alive. It is the structured and controlled lifestyle of the path system, which is anathema to the junkie degenerates that the Dark Eldar are. Just having a soulstone does not protect you. You have to live like a monk basically, at least by deldar standards.

>>95830916
Also soul stones are a very limited resource and the population of commorragh is like 100 times bigger than the craftworlds. There simply aren't enough soulstones for everyone. Even the craftworlds are having trouble sourcing soulstones since they basically have to go to crone worlds inside the eye of terror to find them.

>>95830916
Soulstone doesn't automatically save you, anything can happen to it after your soul gets succed to it. If it's broken or worse sacrificed to Chaos you're turbofucked. Even the Eternity Circuit doesn't save you since Craftworlds can be killed too and then you're turbofucked too. So why not live a wild and free life as a Corsair or in Comorragh if you're going to get turbofucked anyway?
>easy
It's not easy for Deldar to make the switch, it's incredibly difficult, painful and dangerous not to mention there aren't exactly tons of empty soul stones hanging around.

>>95832807
Nah, just have Ynnead kill chaos. Problem solved.

I like to think Drukhari dealing with Haemonculi isn’t a commonplace occurrence. It shouldn’t be something like going to your local butcher for a side of beef, or to a dentist. For any Drukhari going to down into the local Haemonculi’s territory should only be done if you’re rich and powerful and simply need to build a relationship with one, or you REALLY need something and are prepared to get into something which may not end for the rest of your life.

>>95830916
Would you trust other Dark Eldar with your soulstone?
Craftworlders can be trusted because they follow strict path and condemning another Eldar for damnation is greatest sin, Dark Eldar are eldar equivalent of crackhead, junkies and fenth zombies. You do not want your soulstone in hands of other Dark Eldar.
We are talking about society where killing family member is good way to make money, and killing your "friends" is good pasttime, where best bodyguards are bunch of alien mercenaries because they can be trusted more after being paid. Stones work for craftwolders because they have morals, Dark Eldars can't trust eachother, their entire society is build on backstabbing.

>>95817466 (OP)
Every last one of the Dark Eldar should be wiped out. You can't even argue that they have to be murderous amoral torturers, since they can just adopt the paths of the craftworlds, ynnari, corsairs, or exodites. They choose to be like this because it's easier and they get off to it. The only thing based about them is their screams as their souls are devoured in death. The rest of the Eldar are stained and forever untrustworthy for as long as they suffer them to exist. Also, fuck GW and their stupid newspeak words for the Eldar.

>>95823640
> and WHAT do the parents get out of this process?
They seem to still have natural parental urgings. One of the Path of the Dark Eldar books does show they have at least a modicum of affection for their children. Children are also slightly more reliable lackeys than other DEldar.
>what do the Haemonucli get from doing this?
Cannon fodder. Archons might pay for this, but they’ve always made it sound like it’s just something they do to keep the undercity stocked.

>>95834282
Does Vect enforce standards? Ie, NO you’re not allowed to mass-produce Tyrannid-Eldar hybrid babies.

>>95834826
No.
Only real law is against bringin psykers into dark city(exept harlequins, shadowseers are only psykers allowed), and even this is kinda bent because they have entire planet filled with nids orbiting commorragh, Yvraine was fighting on arenas despite being ex warlock, there were daemons kidnapped from warp to fight at arenas, and I doubt they screen every slave they kidnapped.
Other than that there are no real laws and anything goes, if you want to have parts of genestealer hybrid transplanted into you go ahead, this became quite the trend among elites, and haemonculi experiment on vatborns all the time.

>>95834826
The only real hard standard Vect enforces is using psychic abilities in Commorragh is an immediate death sentence.

>>95818985
They'd like to help Chaos out but Chaos just wants to eat their souls and they don't like getting soul-eaten so they don't jam together even if they appreciate the same generas.

>>95821072
It's a pretty half-assed attempt. They're too consumed by their vices to ever throw off Slaanesh's influence, even though it is made clear in no uncertain terms to not do so means their eventual damnation.

So….Wyches. In the game they get wiped out like chaff, but how strong are they in "reality"? Would the Guardsmen wiping them out in a bayonet charge in game rules actually never see a Wych even once unless she wanted them to? Lore makes it sound like slaughtering a platoon of Guardsmen would be the same level of effort a Wych would put into combing her hair. Nothing short of a fully-fledged Astartes should ever consider facing one battle.

Hey, that's the noise that the blonde dragon lady made when she wanted her dragons to set shit on fire.

>>95828370
>A Craftworlder would think it’s best not to get involved with other races — but! No one would care if some racial chaff disappeared, and no one will see them do anything anyway…they could totally get away with it….hmmmm…! Their imagination would naturally want to start racing towards the nasty shit they COULD do, and how novel and cool the experience would be, etc.
Are there any examples of this behavior in any of the books?

>>95835102
Wyches would slaughter guardsmen if they get in range, yes. In a shootout it's a bit more equal but in melee they don't stand a chance.

>>95829251
Don't forget the racism. Racism does seem to make fantasy settings far more soulful, lively, and is just funny sometimes.

>>95836961
>Racism
It’s funny that Eldar in general are racist as hell, and even though DEldar look down on other races as slave cattle they are WAY more open to interacting with other races than Craftworlders are because, ironically, to a DEldar, the slave cattle are very desirable (food, labor, test subjects, materials etc) and to most Craftworlders the further they can be from alien races the better. I bet humans are a common site in many areas of Commorragh while seeing one on a Craftworld would be stupendously rare.

>>95823640
Pretty sure most are vat grown. Used to be an actual sign of power to be a true born who made it to adulthood alive.

>>95823640
to increase the power of their Kabal of course

BTW, how common is it to see Haemonculi walking around outside of their territory in the under-strata? Do they feel as if their time is much too important to spend on common activities?

>>95820886
>>95818985
slaanesh didn't make them like that
they made slaanesh like that

>>95823775
Idk why retarded secondaries say this shit, the fact they torture people doesn't inherently make them slaaneshi especially when said torture is literally the equivalent of eating; Slaanesh is the god of EXCESS, doing something that's NECESSARY is by definition not slaaneshi.......you don't feed Slaanesh by eating a calorie bar either.
Dark Eldar have an absolute fatwah against psychic powers within Comorragh that only Harlequin Shadowseers are allowed to get around because they have literal divine protection. They are not chaos Eldar or slaaneshi, and they've spent the last 10,000 years completely changing their society after Vect annihilated all remnants of the Pleasure Cults.
The Imperium tortured people just as much if not more than Dark Eldar do, you think Interrogator is just a job title? The millions of psykers burnt alive as they're fed to the golden throne in agony is okay but dark eldar flaying people to subsist off psychic agony is different?


If torturing people automatically made you chaos corrupted then every single faction in 40k would instantly turn into chaos spawn. Most dark eldar aren't even born from actual sex, they're vatborn clones because they're too busy with murder and untrustworthy to fuck, the idea Dark Eldar are actually a Slaanesh chaos cult is the HEIGHT of secondary retardation. Read a goddamn Codex and then when you're done go read Path of the Dark Eldar

>>95830916
>Why would any eldar be a dark eldar if they can just switch like that? Fuck it why do dark eldar not just wear soul stones then and skip the expensive soul feeding?
Do you think Spirit Stones just grow on trees?

The ENTIRE REASON that Eldar are a dying race instead of dominating the entire galaxy like they did for SIXTY MILLION YEARS OF UNCONTESTED DOMINANCE is because there aren't enough spirit stones to go around; Craftworld populations are limited by how many they have and getting more requires EXPEDITIONS TO THE FUCKING EYE OF TERROR to personally harvest Isha's Tears from Croneworlds infested with the worst nightmares in the galaxy


All Eldar in their natural state would have their souls slurped like DE without external protection; they're not "corrupted" eldar, they're REGULAR Eldar and all the other factions have some special way to protect their souls that the people in Commorragh don't have access to. Infinity matrixes and spirit stones for CWE and Corsairs, Maiden Worlds and World souls for Exodites, LITERAL DIVINE INTERVENTION for Harlequins and Ynnari. Dark Eldar have none of that, they're eldar in their "natural" state which is having their soul constantly slurped by She Who Thirsts because of inherited Original Sin from the fall

>>95823775
>slaanesh slowly succs your soul out
>take a bite out of someone else's to replenish it
>>NOOOOO YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BECOME AN EMPTY HUSK

>>95838974
humans empower the chaos gods the most so they are kinda in denial, yeah.

>>95838355
There's a Haemonculus in the third Fabius Bile book whose entire job was coming up with novel foodstuffs.
It seems that it's fairly common to see at least some of them out and about because Haemonculi need capital to conduct their experiments, and also dealing with clients and the hoi polloi is creatively stimulating. Bellathonis was working with Maxillian and Nyos Ythillian for both of those reasons.

My headcanon is that the members of a Wych Cults, being in the entertainment business, all have their own individual flair or signature they show off. Like how Lelith will disembowel opponents with a flick of her head using her hooked hair accessories, others try to develop all sorts of other interesting flourishes, techniques, finishers, etc. Like maybe there’s a Succubus whose thing it is to never strike an opponent directly but who tries to make them defeat themselves via accident, or one who who dramatically drags an opponent up onto the observation deck to let the audience do the finishing blow, that kind of thing. Maybe there’s jaded arena audiences would just find mere slaughter of weak opponents to be boring and so the Cults have to constantly innovate.

BTW does Vect have any serious completion against whom he can’t relax his guard against for even a moment?

>>95840726
Lady Malys is his closest competition, she'd probably lead Commoragh if he ever fell from grace

>>95817466 (OP)
>Drukhari
You mean Dark Eldar, and no, they're not misunderstood, they're straight up evil and they love it.

>>95839948
Your headcannon is exactly how the Wych Cults operate and the basis for the various bonuses you'd get for picking different Cults in 9e

>>95840817
Lady Malys is probably also the only person who actually appreciates how much of Commorragh Vect actually controls (namely, the webway gates connecting various parts of the subrealm to each other, and the Ilmaeas), and that the city would effectively cease to exist as such without him, so it's possible her idea of taking control of the city from him involves entralling him and making him resume their erstwhile relationship on her terms. On the other hand, she replaced her heart with a fragment of Cegorach, so I'm sure she'd manage without him. (Imo this means she should be on par with a Primarch if we're talking about powerlevels)
release that fucking Malys mini you assholes

>>95838355
Haemonculi are turbo eccentric weirdos who have certain set of skills that allow them to do WHATEVER THEY FUCKING WANT.
There is entire cult/sect/club of Haemonculi who's main thing is looking for new ways to die, like seeking out Imperial Titan and getting under it's feet to be crushed, or getting eaten alive by ripper swarms.
First rule of Haemonculi is to have fun. If he want to walk somethere he will.
There was entire story where one of them fucked over entire Wych cult because at arena their leader succubus while waiting on her fight stabbed in the back and flayed other succubus who was in duel, because she was bored waiting. It wasn't even backstabbing that got him pissed of, but fact that backstabbed wych was unique because she wasn't using plastic surgery and had plenty scars. Story had happy ending, backstabbed one was ressurected and got her original scarred and flayed skin back.

>>95839948
It's not headcannon, it's how they are. Each cult have it's diferent arena with it's own oddities like being full of traps that will kill you if you take step in wrong direction. Lelith's thing is that she is the best, any part of her is weapon including nails and hair and she don't use combat drugs.
Each cult have it's speciality and it's higher echelons are constantly trying to upstage one another.
Same thing is happening with Kabals and Convens.

>>95843700
which story is that?

>>95844012
Hideous beauty from 7th ed Haemonculus Conves supplement for Dark Eldar codex.
It's full of stories about convens, one where they fuck over Raven Guard over ruining their fun and Haemonculi who had said vendetta because he did faux pas of dying to same enemy twice, or how they stole entire world of tyranids, because raids couldn't met the demand for nids, so Urien just decided to fuck it and drag entire planet mid consumption into Commorragh.

>>95817466 (OP)
i want to fuck him

I hate them because they're degenerates who torture people

>>95817466 (OP)
It's so funny that the Rogue Trader game lets you turn a Trueborn Archon into a sub

When a Drukhari dies but gets reborn in a vat, does a copy of the soul get sent to Slaanesh or what

>>95844852
They are such arrogant assholes that soul still clings to body after death, meaning that if corpse or body part is delivered to Haemonculus fast enough, then it's like he didn't die, just got in really bad accident but got better. Think cpr but better.

>>95844599
Ironically they’re on the “good” side of the galaxy because they want there to be a galaxy there to prey on. The prospect of having to survive without dragging in a million slaves from the Imperium a DAY is probably terrifying for them and they’d see the galaxy safe from eradication if they can at all help it. So as evil as they are they’re still on the side of the galaxy living.

Also I wonder how they deal with mass suicides, preventive mass-killings by the PDF etc? They probably do disable the PDF or any such preemptive cleansing tactic to kick off the raid, and they probably also carry drugs that can heal a surprising degree of wounds in order to keep their catches alive. We know from fluff that they absolutely won’t tolerate suicide by their victims, so they must have means to prevent it during raids.

>>95838974
secondaries are afraid of any lore that isn't just "xeno bad"

>>95833673
The other Eldar aren't even capable of wiping out the Dark Eldar. Humanity isn't even capable of that without significantly weakening itself to the point where another enemy would come along and destroy us. There's just too many of the fuckers in one place.

>>95846304
If the Imperium wasn’t always being assailed by major threats they’d be able to mobilize a force large enough to take out Commorragh — assuming they could get some Eldar to help them with getting at it en-masse like that. But that by itself wouldn’t end the DEldar, it would scatter and fragment their society instead. Most DEldar would probably have figured out a plan to bolt to other Webway regions (there are many surrounding Commorragh) if it looks like they weren’t going to win. I’m sure such a war would be the funnest, most exciting event in their lives for as long as it lasted. An omega-scale Happening for all the lower-class DEldar who normally had nothing to look forward to but a rat race to a likely grave in the gutter. Like when that SM battle barge rammed a section to do an invasion and the locals got quite excited at the sudden opportunity.

>>95845805
"What? the Golden Throne is on the fritz? Okay we'll send a tech over to take a look sometime between eight and ten next Tuesday."

>>95846468
Actually I just of something — how on EARTH did the conspirators get xenos tech support past the Custodes? Did they open a ticket to make some temporary access badges? Like wtf?

>>95817466 (OP)
Yes, modern 40k shit makes them seem way too humanized and potentially friendly with like "romance" options and shit in the Rogue Trader video game. Meanwhile the codex is like extremely unambiguous explicit "THEY ARE THE MOST EVIL FACTION IN THE UNIVERSE BAR NONE THEY HAVE NO REDEEMING QUALITIES THEY THRIVE OFF OF SUFFERING AND CRUELTY AND ARE THE BLACKEST OF BLACK MORALITY TO A CARTOONISH, COMEDIC DEGREE".

>>95846414
>If the Imperium wasn’t always being assailed by major threats they’d be able to mobilize a force large enough to take out Commorragh — assuming they could get some Eldar to help them with getting at it en-masse like that.
Commorragh is so large it has entrances spread across the galaxy
It probably has a population in the hundreds of trillions at least, and they own all the best eldar superweapons, so they'd easily trounce an invasion force except one literally allowed in like Vect killing his rivals with a salamander invasion

>>95846517
I don't think they would "easily trounce" any invasion, but I think they would stand enough of a chance of winning to deter anyone from actually trying that shit, because if you lose you've just pissed off the most horrifying civilization in existence and given them reason to come after you.

>>95833673
>they can just adopt the paths of the craftworlds, ynnari, corsairs, or exodites
did you read the thread?

>>95823640
I'd assume archons are smart enough to know they need footsoldiers for their kabal to function, so they pay the haemonculi to grow new warriors in vats.
Only a tiny minority of DE ever have actual children, and they do it purely as a flex. It's the DE equivalent of buying ridiculously expensive luxury items just to show other people you have more money than them.

>>95846549
Having trueborn around also means it's still your bloodline that continues the dynasty when you inevitably get assassinated.

>>95834871
Nids aren't normal psykers, their shadow in the warp weakens and repels daemons which is the opposite of what other psykers do. This actually makes them desirable to have around in Commorragh since the whole "no psykers" thing is all about preventing daemonic incursions.

>>95830916
Soulstone alone doesn't stop the thirst. Craftworlders avoid it through rigorous mental discipline, but most DE would be unwilling to basically become ascetic monks and give up all the fun stuff in life. In the long run it would be better than being caught in an endless loop to fill the leaky bucket that is your soul while the hole keeps getting bigger, but most DE are more concerned with getting their next fix than long-term planning.
What soulstones do is trap your soul upon death so it won't go to Slaanesh, but can instead be placed in an artificial afterlife in the craftworld's infinity circuit. But since DE don't have infinity circuits, their souls would just remain trapped in the stone and likely subjected to torture by whoever found the stone.

>>95846565
You could just vat-grow your heirs. The "halfborn" DE aren't really any worse than trueborn, the latter are just considered more prestigious because of the extra effort.
I would also assume any archon would be too egotistical to care what happens to their kabal after their death, or even seriously entertain the possibility that they might die for real.

>>95846501
I hate to say it but that's literally the point of the entire first book. there's a couple sub plots but the rest of it is "how the hell did they smuggle a haemonculus into the imperial palace?"

Others have pointed this out but it’s worth reiterating: soulstones are NOT salvation, they’re storage and transfer medium into an Infinity Circuit. If the soulstone is lost you’re fucked and don’t bet on a safe recovery. If some Inquisitor offers your stone back to your Craftworld in a trade you have absolutely won the lottery; the normal fate is having your stone broken and your soul sucked straight into Slaanesh. If you manage to get put into an Infinity Circuit you’re STILL not safe because your Craftworld can get hit with a Tyranid fleet, Chaos invasion, run into Necrons, etc. Really when it comes down to it the soulstone system just gives you a chance to extend the amount of time it takes for you to end up in Slaanesh.

BTW I wonder how “good” Drukhari are with recovering one another’s remains to get recovered by a Haemonculus? For example, let’s say you’re in a low-level street gang under a local Archon, and you get killed in battle with a rival gang. Will your gang run your remains down to the associate Coven to get you revived or will they just shrug and go “welp that’s life”? On the one hand, you can’t expect your enemies to lift a finger for you, and everyone is a rival, but on the OTHER hand, is taking care of each other’s lives the basic, minimal building block of trust which must exist for there even to be any organization like gangs? Like, running with a gang means you owe them big if they decide to take you to get revived, or perhaps it’s a system enforced by the Archon and the actual system in place can differ entirely based on who’s in charge? Because “not dying” seems to be a hugely, overidingly important concern for the race in general so you’d think systems to mutually support that one thing would be common.

>>95847649
There is no salvation for the Eldar, all of their methods of survival are just putting off the inevitable
>every soulstone and infinity circuit will be destroyed eventually, slaanesh will outlast the end of the universe if it comes to that and then torture you forever
>every world spirit will eventually die or get destroyed and then you'll get tortured forever
>no matter how many times you get revived by the haemonculi, one mistake and your dna sample gets tossed aside and you're tortured forever
>ceogorath lasts only as long as the webway does and the webway won't outlast the universe either, then you get tortured forever
>ynnead isn't fully born and even if he was it's quite possible he couldn't actually beat slaanesh, and then ynnead gets devoured and all the souls within him get tortured forever
Ynnead and whatever the fuck the psychic visions they get just before Slaanesh swallows them are pretty much their only copes but even they are just possibilities. Now, we know from AoS Slaanesh isn't unbeatable and even "forever" doesn't necessarily mean forever.

>Will your gang run your remains down to the associate Coven to get you revived or will they just shrug and go “welp that’s life”?
No, you need a certain level of wealth and influence to get revived.

>>95847716
I don't really do AOS but IIRC some of the "Aelf" souls they stole back from Slaanesh were actually Eldar. Which, if true, means they already have an offramp.

>>95844852
No, Eldar souls are eternal and don't dissipate in the warp like weaker human/tau/ork/whatever souls. This is how pre-slaanesh the eldar were able to endlessly reincarnate and be effectively immortal on top of their absurdly long biological lifespans. The problem is that when Slaanesh was born and ripped open the Eye of Terror now all those tasty permanent Eldar souls go straight to Slaanesh's stomach due to a bloodline claim on the entire race Original Sin style (this is also why in AoS Slaanesh was forced to vomit up elf souls which included some 40k eldar who had been stuck in him eternally digested until then)

Dark Eldar cloning makes a new body for the soul to inhabit quickly enough that Slaanesh doesn't eat them, since they can't naturally reincarnate anymore

>>95847987
Do newborn eldar just get fresh souls then, if they can no longer reincarnate? How does it even work? Did the eldar souls before slaanesh just possess the bodies of their descendants or someshit?

>>95817466 (OP)
That would be the Chaos Dwarfs
>>95838355
What’s great about the Dark Eldar, that really separates them from other factions, is this. You have loreful and lore friendly reasons for why a Kabal exists that is so damn down and out, it’s made up of a sizeable percentage of non-Eldar. Wych Cults that actually have not only different beasts and combatants, but even enslaved titans, and as for the Covens, they’re the most fun as LITERALLY ANYTHING GOES. The Haemonculi were the leaders pre-fall, and while now they’re known as flesh crafters, the lore lays out how, that’s not how it has always been. There are Haemonculi who can “make metal scream”, turn living beings into “sentient soup”, or even “transcend into pure light beings”, and the still functional ones who “make their realms in mirrors”. You think of it, at some time a Haemonculi devoted himself to mastering it, like it’s said they even took on requests to turn individuals into new sub realms… like that’s as close to godhood as you can get just about, as said individual would be omnipotent in their realm and have complete control, basically like playing The Sims but with real matter and people.
However that was then, and now nearly all new Haemonculi are the ones you think of, and that does mean that the bottom of the barrel ones do indeed roam the streets of Commorragh, some even choosing to walk instead of floating around. In the Path of the Dark Eldar books, there was a parade going on in one of the lowest slums in all of Commorragh, and it had all three “factions” (Kabal, Cult, Coven) represented and showing off. With that being Sadie on average, most will see a really impressive Wrack, and misinterpret it as a Haemonculi, as they nearly always send out their Wracks to do their bidding.

>>95823883
>You have diferent outlook on daemons if being near them would take away your lifespan.
I think daemons reduce most people's lifespans and usually the summoner knows this

>>95846565
No, having trueborns means you have competent second in command and elite squads.
No Archon or Dracon is thinking in dynasty terms because 1 they don't care 2 they are too arogant to even think they will get assassinated. Dark Eldar noble purpose is to live forever and be on top. This is why they torment their slaves, buy beest tickets on arena and have resurection contracts with Haemonculi. Kids are ultimate flex and can serve you as dependable second in command untill they decide to go after you, but if you allowed that to happen you are shitty parent who wasn't prepared for kid's betrayal.
>>95846875
This is true, DEldar don't care what happens after they die, they don't intend on dying, they have plans how to get back once they been killed.

>>95818985
They're explicitly not chaos, because chaos just eats their souls. In fact the Dark Eldar hate chaos more than perhaps any other faction in 40k.

>>95847649
>BTW I wonder how “good” Drukhari are with recovering one another’s remains to get recovered by a Haemonculus?
Good more or less.
Kabal works like gang they hate eachother and would gladly backstabb eachother but they have bigger concern in form of rival Kabal. This mean if you lose your best warriors your Kabal became weaker and is easy picking for your rivals. Of course if you don't have your own contract with Haemonculi then you are fucked. But crazy guy will have some free flesh to experiment with.
There is certain level of loyality in Kabal, if you get attacked rest of the Kabal will be pissed not because you were cut into pieces but because someone dared to raise his hand on Kabal of Edgiest Edge, while members of Kabal don't need to like eachother and can scheme against one another still good name of Kabal and fact that it's strong means everyone wearing colours is safer from other threats. So Kabals are good at reclaiming remains of their fallen outside of "unfortunate accidents" because losing good soldiers make them all weaker.

Would a Trueborn kid trying to oust their parent be seen as a good thing since it makes the kid strive and the parent keep on their toes

>>95817466 (OP)
One, pic related is literally drawn by Luth in their monthly Discord drawthread and second.

Pic related would be Warhammer Fantasy if primarily made and written by women and Josei/Femporn writers.

>>95853892
It would be seen as normal. If parent get get's killed by his child then he deserved it for being weak and sloppy and kid deserve promotion.
It's keep your friends closer, enemies closer and always have sword in hand and 3 backup weapons close by.
There is reason why rich nobles consider 3rd party xeno mercenaries as best bodyguards you can get and not their own troops including family members. Because they can trust more random snake people to protect them for money than they could trust their family members.

>>95854218
>focus on the big hands
This is so female-coded. Owlcat clearly did a great job.

>>95854272
I guess for reference sake.

Pic related is what the drawing >>95854218 is based on.

>https://bato.to/series/93073/yandere-ouji-ga-shachiku-onna-no-watashi-o-hanasanai

So yeah, Warhammer Fantasy if written by women, female Mangaka and Josei writers. Mountain loads of Dubcon or rape Femporn doujins featuring possessive yandere-coded ikemen from Nagarond and Har Ganeth or nearly all Vampire Counts, Von Carstien blooded vamps being soft spoken bishies.

Personally, I would like to imagine that Druuchi Dreadlord and human woman pic and pic related but as yandere-ish Asur Nobleboy summoning the Japanese office lady because she resembles that one human woman peasant who gave him a compliment during a work trip.

So question:
Dark Eldar require the pain and suffering of other being, right?
But is that pain only physical pain, or can it be emotional and mental pain as well? And I don't just mean fear and stress that would obviously come with being in the hands of the Dark Eldar...

Like say if
>Kabal captures a human family during a slave raid
>Family is a mother, father and their 10 year old daughter
>Dark Eldar who takes possession of them knows enough about humans to know that humans don't normally engage in sexual activity until after they go through a growth phase (that the child hasn't gone through yet)
>Also knows that sexual activity between closely biologically related individuals is considered taboo.
>Dark Eldar makes an offer to the father of this family;
>"Have sex with your daughter while my fellow Drukhairi and I watch and I will let you go. Refuse and I will force you to watch as I skin your wife and daughter alive and then gang rape them with my fellow Drukhari and some other alien slaves..."
>Father is not a degenerate and is horrified at the idea
>But even more horrified at alternative
>With no other choice, the father reluctantly agrees in order to try and save his family.
>Father and daughter are brought to an observation room, lined with one-way mirrors
>Unbeknown to the father, Dark Eldar bring the wife/mother to watch
>They lie to her and say that they had wanted to watch humans have sex and had offered to let his family go if he had sex with his wife for their entertainment, but that the man had instead begged them to let him have sex with his daughter instead
>They force the mother to watch as the father seemingly has sex with their daughter of his own free will

>>95854898
>con't.

So you have
>The daughter's physical, emotional and mental pain of being raped by her own father.
>The father's emotional pain of having to have sex with his underage daughter in order to save his family
>The mother's emotional pain from witnessing her daughter being raped by her father, topped with the emotional pain from the belief that it's what her husband wants

So in this scenario do the Dark Eldar feed off of the physical, emotional pain and suffering of all 3, or just the physical pain of the daughter?

What about if
>Kabal raid T'au sept world
>Know enough about T'au society to know about caste system and that inter-caste breeding is taboo
>Force T'au to engage in inter-caste sex and breeding by threatening to torture capture Ethereal
>Force a female fire warrior to have sex with a water caste or earth caste males until she becomes pregnant
>Force her to carry the baby to term and then spend a couple of years raising it, punishing her if she mistreats it or doesn't take good enough care of it
>Kill the Ethereal in front of her, then take the child away to be raise by other slaves
>Keep the fire warrior alive long enough for the child to grow up enough that it can be put to work along side it's mother

Would the emotional pain the fire warrior goes through, being forced to break a massive cultural taboo to save the Ethereal, only to then watch the Ethereal be killed and then eventually be forced to preform menial labour for the Dark Eldar along side her mongrel child be something the Dark Eldar could feed off of?

>>95854905
I mean sure but once you make it into a scruples game it's too easy to detach yourself from the moral weight of what you're doing and to just close your eyes and think of England.
So what they'd actually do is manipulate everyone into playing their role without realizing they're being manipulated, which would make all their suffering real and authentic.
Like when Bellathonis was trying to torture Laryin by making her feel guilty about the fate of her people and she remembers "wait a minute. It's not *my* fault my world was destroyed. It's those Dark Eldar assholes."

>>95854269
I wonder if there ARE actual trust relationships between individuals Drukhari, even if it’s rare? Those must be extremely prized if they happen and kept a secret as much as possible. Because normally being frenemies or jealous lovers is as close as they can get. I bet useful aliens are valued simply because they can be trusted to actually support you not just “probably won’t betray” you. Weak aliens like humans, T’au, etc, would only be useful as food, manual labor, materials, etc, so there’s no point having their trust. Although, maybe the higher up the social strata you go the more bizarre / eccentric / crazy you go so it wouldn’t be that uncommon to see a powerful individual with weak servants hanging around as some form of weird flex which only becomes apparent the moment someone unknowingly puts a wrong foot forward. Maybe it’s like flaunting weakness infront of others daring them to take a shot, that sort of thing. Basically anything can happen in Commorragh I guess.

>>95833673
Other than Necrons, Dark Eldar have the highest tech and weaponry. If the Dark Eldar somehow were aligned in thinking, with their population and technology, they could probably end most races. Of course, then no one would be available to raid, so they don't do this.

>>95854561
There's nothing wrong with a little bit of josei smut in Warhammer.

>>95817466 (OP)

Misunderstood how?
The point of Drukhari is that, in a universe filled with factions that all radiate "are we the baddies?" energy, Drukhari are the ones that answer "yes, yes we are the baddies and we love it". I don't see what there is to misunderstand.

>>95854898
>>95854905
They can feed off emotional suffering. It’s really more they just enjoy personally physically hurting people

>>95856816
God, if only women focused on that instead of gay ass primarchs. An anon once told me, 'if you write Eldar smut you are either female or female-adjacent', but sometimes it feels like the big buff boys get more of the lovin from the fairer sex.

I suppose eldar lovers strive for quality over quantity then.

>>95828438
>By that logic entire Imperium is one big Khornate cult.
They actually are. This is why Khorne is the strongest god

>>95854898
I don’t think they get any sustenance from anything but physical pain. There is absolutely a powerful Drukhari who would do something like this but it would be his or fetish or hobby. Like maybe there’s an archon who operates a safari where there’s "free" human villagers being born, growing up, getting married, having children and dying etc and the archon just watches the people live their lives in secret for one reason: to find interesting opportunities to mess with their lives for maximum emotional impact. Maybe the archon brings in favored "guests" to participate in the story. This is literally just entertainment, an interesting flex of hyper wealth and power.

>>95857324
I dunno I write eldar smut and I am almost positive I am not female.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/54712357

>>95860948
I suppose than he means eldar male x human female or eldar male x eldar female, human male x eldar female is too common and overused trope.

They should have been an abhuman strain, or more xeno looking. Space Elves just don't hold up compared to abhumans or Tau.

>>95860948
>human male x female deldar
yeah, I can tell by what you write
also first person, ew

>>95829700
>what you do in Commorragh pisses off Isha so much she severs your connection to your soul stone, and the process of binding to a soul stone as an adult is painful and traumatic and most Deldar who would try it would literally die of shame and guilt in the process

Coomer's remorse! Many such cases.

>>95861394
most of these designs are made up by the artist

>>95862164
All are canon abhumans, but the felinid, nightsider and longshanks don't have model designs

>>95861394
I've just noticed that he's given the ratling weird monkey feet for some reason.

>>95861414
>>95861342
that eldar is putatively just an outcast not a deldar.
here's third person, female protagonists, but a little longer
https://archiveofourown.org/works/43153531/
and here's deldar male x human(?) female, but first person. sorry.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/55593031
I just went with the story that is shorter and more readable and doesn't involve any death or dismemberment.

>>95862408
I now perfectly sure than you are woman. Especially on castration part and entire Dragon's pet

>>95854905
This point reminds of an idea for a story i have.
It's said that haemonculi are capable of turning the DE into "humans", altering their bodies to the point where they even smell like a human.
A Drukki get changed into one and is sent as a spy into a hive world. The drukki thought theyd have to find someway to refill somewhere in the city sooner or later but quickly finds out that the hive city is so shit that at any given place, at any given time everyone's suffering enough that they can collectively feed her without even any effort being put in. The drukki can just walk down the street on a bad day and top off for a week.

The Drukki can just set up shop there an effectively retire to a workless world

>>95862581
>Eldars as effective managers in imperium

>>95859416
>Like maybe there’s an archon who operates a safari where there’s "free" human villagers being born, growing up, getting married, having children and dying etc and the archon just watches the people live their lives in secret for one reason: to find interesting opportunities to mess with their lives for maximum emotional impact.

So basically the Dark Eldar version of playing the Sims?

>>95862581
one of the plot points in Vaults of Terra is that the tech support Haemonculus got so high on suffering as soon as he stepped onto terra he promptly forgot what he was there to do

>>95862812
Yes, basically the Sims lol. If he/she gets bored they can figure out a way to kill them all in interesting and creative ways to start again. But the time they spend playing Real Sims is also a trap for their enemies who will always try to target game-time for enacting schemes. Maybe the most unfortunate plotters will end up in the Sims themselves…

>>95862668
lol Drukhari absolutely do safari adventures like this. They’re probably not THAT common simply because it’s dangerous to away from Commorragh for long, but there are definitely a lot of of them who’ve gained some power who heard about these adventures and wants to try it out. A novel fun experience which can’t be had in Commorragh, open to creativity, it would be very tempting.

>>95862668
the most depressing part here is how a deliberate attempts at suffering by a drukhari is less of an affliction than a genuine human stupidity and neglect

>>95864135
Probably because she was actually running the place efficiently when she wasn't torturing people to death for fun and sustenance. So for everybody but the poor fuck getting tortured it was actually a good deal compared to the previous mismanaging governor.

>>95862408
LCSF dont engage with him he's fucking w/ you

Sometimes we must accept we are honorary women. Eldar just work better with melodrama

If you visit Commorragh, is it only possible without being immediately preyed upon with the protection of a host? Is, say, an Aeldari just as fucked as a human if they just show up unannounced? Or are there ports of entry with some level of basic security to at least come in and do business?

>>95855696
I know people keep saying the Necrons are the true top tier faction in terms of technology, but I would argue that if anything, they’re tied with the Dark Eldar. The shit the Haemonculi are capable of is staggering, it’s literally “it’s magic I ain’t got to explain shit”, but without the magic and yet, still magical in an arcane sense. Like you said, if both could get their shit together, I don’t see anything standing in their way. I would like to think the same for the Orks but they were quickly defeated by the Eldar so as mighty and powerful as they were back then, they still got showed up by prancing space elves.

>>95868348
You can get there on your own, if you will be preyed upon depends on who you are and how well armed you are and what part of Commorragh you enter because it isn't as much as city as it is bunch of connected pocket dimensions with link to webway. There were situations like Deathwatch kill team infiltrating city to jail break single marine out of arena, or Jain Zar going there. There is entire district full of noe dark eldar mercs offering their services and having polite firefights over topic of why they weren't paid agreed amount. Having protection of someone is good because no one smaller will try to fuck with you, being guest of Black Heart or Cult of Strife is as good as diplomatic immunity as it gets. Weirdest guests you can think of were Lucius, champion of Slaanesh as guest of Wych cult and Fabius Bile chaos scientist as prisoner turned guest of Haemonculli learning their craft as reward for help with stabilising their meat tower.
Craftworlders usually avoid going there because DE would love to fuck over their "weird" cousin and usuall envoys between Dark City and Craftworlds are harlequins, because nobody fucks with clowns.
So if you aren't someone's guest then better be well armed and have some well armed friends as backup so local low lives and punks don't bother you too much.
In the end outside of "no psykers allowed" rule that is bend all the time Commorragh is in state of anarchy with parts of it ruled by local gangs.

>>95868185
Don't worry I was just using it as a thin pretext to post my stuff. And it's kinda fun to see the feedback, especially when it's not exactly what I expected (like the pushback against first person and M!monkeigh X F!Eldar... but at least I don't do first person present)
>>95854905
And hey this guy might actually like Life Of The Party.

Last two novels than featuring deldar are really garbage.And next one about corsairs will be too.I don't know why GW let someone like brooks write about them. A strong woman who a long time ago staged a revolution along with the same strong man, turned into a shitty lesbian from an DEI advertisement. Read how she was written in Valedor novel and how she was written in that piece of shit. I'm not even talking about lgbt/non-binary garbage and fact than somehow daemons and farseers can't see dark eldar's souls. That's literally why dark eldars are sitting in their shithole and they can't get rid of Slaanesh's eternal gaze. And that shitty aspect's queers, muhbruh everyone is a woman if you go banshee/wyches. Well, in general, his writing is much lower than other writers, like J C Stearns or Chambers.

So what’s the BEST outcome for a slave who’s randomly grabbed in a raid? My guess is, being sold as manual labor at a factory where you’ll just be worked to death. Second best is being someone’s personal meal, in which case it’ll be a LOT of torture but it’ll be over sooner rather than later. Many things which seem like they might be better on the surface may end up being really bad in reality. Like, everyone knows the worst fate is to end up as experimental material for a Haemonculi. But what is you ended up as the property of a Wych Cult or some Kabal’s gang? That means you’re the property of someone important, and there’s NO escape from whatever lifelong terror is in store for you.

>>95873277
Getting sold to a gladiatorial arena would probably be the best outcome. You'd only have to be a slave for like a single day, and then some hot naked elf comes somersaulting across the arena and artfully slits your throat.

>>95817553
Remember that gladiatrixes get modifications to make them hotter than average to increase their crowd appeal.
Canonically Drukhari gladiator games exist with smokin hotties fighting slimy rape monsters BECAUSE it draws out the perverts with free cash to buy a ticket or watch pay per view.

So Lelith having a firm ass and slammin thighs as well as perky tits is 110% cannon

>>95873296
>You'd only have to be a slave for like a single day, and then some hot naked elf comes somersaulting across the arena and artfully slits your throat.

>>95873277
Wych cult lol.
They drag you to arena, give you weapon, might give you combat drugs so you fight better, and then make you fight hot bitches in fetish armor to death, if somehow you win you live little longer if not well it was quick.
Everything Dark Eldar do involves suffering and torture, arenas are by far quickest death.
Being someone's personal toy is worst fate, second only to being property of coven. If you are slave to lower members of kabal then they will still torment you to death. I don't think you know on what level of sado maso we're operating here, basic kabal plate armor isn't put on warrior in normal sense with straps etc, but is secured to dark eldar flesh with barbs and hooks that penetrate wearer's body and nervous system, causing him constant pain and sharpen their senses. they also have pre battle rituals of self mutilation to get off of their own and their allies pain. There is reason why basic DE guns shoot poison.

>>95873296
Will she cut my hand off while I’m dying in a pool of my own blood and touch her cheek with it in front of me so I can achieve in death what I could never do in life?

Come to think of it, that’s probably a million times more importance and attention a typical citizen of the Imperium gets in their entire lifetime. Could be worth it.

>>95873434
>NOOO YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LIVE IN THE POD AND EAT THE BUG (FOR THE EMPEROR)

>>95873332
Wyches have more plastic surgery operations than average South Korean female.
There was one succubus that was unique in way that she didn't get any plastic surgery to remove her battle scars. After she was killed and flayed by her rival on arena(with backstab), haeomonculus made entire plot to punish her killer, retrieve her original scarred skin back, ressurected her free of charge and put her original skin back at her with each scar carefully preserved. All of this because he found her interesting due to her refusing plastic surgery.
Also wyches and especially succubuses often are lovers of influencial nobles, Lelith was lover of Vect.
There are also male wyches who's main purpose is to impregnate female wyches with their strong seed. I imagine there are a lot of worse positions in society than being bull boy toy for celebrity arena fighters, just make sure to have regeneration contract before of crazy bitches stab you mid intercourse for her pleasure.

>>95873474
>eat the bug
Anon Imperium won't lower itself to such barbarity as eating bugs, that's disgusting.
We eat grinded and processed human corpses, just as Emperor intedned.

>>95817466 (OP)
No. They're pretty well understood for being horrible people.
>>95820542
They're doubling down on all of the things that ruined them, that's partly their premise. And Slaanesh literally eats their souls. There's no reason to give ground to any of the Chaos gods despite all of their actions greatly empowering them.

>>95848230
>Do newborn eldar just get fresh souls then, if they can no longer reincarnate? How does it even work?
Same way any other sentients souls work presumably they just get born with a unique soul, there's no reason the Eldar can't produce new ones since they're still biologically reproducing.

>Did the eldar souls before slaanesh just possess the bodies of their descendants or someshit?
Descendants or vat-grown bodies like the DEldar, a reincarnating Eldar probably just hops to the next body available. And in relation to new vs reincarnated souls, I'm assuming the Eldar just reproduced enough that the population had enough spare bodies to satisfy the rate of reincarnation and create new, unique souls.

>>95856816
>There's nothing wrong with a little bit of josei smut in Warhammer.
What josei or female gaze smut can any of you imagine or think of in Warhammer Fantasy if it ever written by women, yumes and femoids? Other than dark elf bad boys taking the virginities of young human peasant girls or a Japanese Office Lady being isekai'd into Ulthwan and being an Asur Prince's girlfriend/concubine?

>>95876535
vampire bad boys
human noble bad boys
norsca bad boys
you know some woman out there has weird freaky thoughts about skaven too

>>95876622
>norsca bad boys
Bro... I'm sure women actually have standards and are not THAT degenerate.

Sexualizing Norscans is practically in the same level as Indian Men gangraping gullible naive female tourists.

That and Norscans are practically mindless non sapient animals and literal monkeys.

>>95876899
I could see a noble savage angle. 'im a noble girl and the raiders came and kidnapped me and now I'm the chieftain's son's wife and he fought for the right to take me and hes nice only to me and there's other women there that were also kidnapped and speak my language so I have friends and I know I should hate him but...' etc etc

>>95876899
Weak imperial hands scribbled this post.

>>95876899
Unlike jeets Norscans are big and strong guys. Females aren't repulsed by indians because they are savages, females are repulsed by jeets because they are short and ugly, Norscans are tall chads clad in fur.
Women erotica often have inhuman monsters like werevolves etc, all of them are bigger and stronger beasts, not midgets.

>>95876535
>What josei or female gaze smut can any of you imagine or think of in Warhammer Fantasy if it ever written by women, yumes and femoids?
A priestess of Morr needs to watch over and ritualistically purify the local Garden but a hot bratty vampire boy keeps coming in to raise a new servant every night

>>95881553
What about Isabella's and Vlad's "I love you too much to turn you // I love you too much to ever part with you."

>>95880256
A lot of male indian celebrities are pretty handsome. The average indian isn't, but neither is the average white - everyone knows women only go for the top tiers.
Although, I'm just gay, not a woman, so maybe women see it differently, but from my experience norscans would be more attractive to gay men than they would be to women

>>95880256
>>95884539
>what men think women find attractive: some muscle bound gym bro
>what women actually think is attractive: twink UwU vampire pretty boy with daddy issues

>>95885248
I could've sworn there was a popular /fit/ post where a guy mentioned getting built, and only getting any attention from gay guys, but I can't find any. Either way, yeah, women overwhelmingly prefer lean, maybe some muscle but trim at most. And evil vampire pretty boys who are gay are so popular I have normie friends who collect Astarion merch

>>95886005
ah something like this wasn't it

>>95817466 (OP)
all art that looks shiny and comic-booky just looks like ai slop to me now anons, i dont like this feeling anymore

>>95886005
Obvious women like strong male bodies, the idea that they don’t is absurd. What you and most others of 4chan fail to understand is that female sexuality is similar but also different from ours. For us, it’s 100% visual, and for women, it’s not — or, rather, there are things which override visuals. When it boils down to it, women want high-status. That can be superlative looks in a given cultural context (ie the effeminate Asian actor buried in makeup), BUT it’s NOT the physical features so much as what the physical features represent as a symbol of status. If you took the same airbrushed Asian ladyboy and made him play a poor loser nobody, women would be much less interested in him. The loincloth Conan represents alpha-male dominance, high-status in the Western context. They ARE physically attracted to these features of course, but the visuals is only a part of the mix in the case of women. Very few anons understand this. The wives of Trump and Elon aren NOT grossed out by him, these men are legitimately attractive to women because status is major factor.

>>95890082
you're one of those guys screaming 'what do women find attractive?' but never actually listen when a woman tells you what she thinks is attractive
also Conan was created by a male feminist- up yours 'alpha male dominance' BS
>alphas don't even exist in wolves
>wolf packs are made up of one family, a breeding pair and their kids
>you can't even get biology right

>>95890804
Revealed preferences > stated preferences

>>95890804
What are you talking about? Wolves aren’t lions, but they do have alphas, it’s just the pair who lead the family instead of a super-predator with a harem. But female wolves do in fact select for desirable males, they absolutely do not act like the town bicycle.

Also, aren’t relations between the sexes with Eldar kind of…bad? It’s like they have a similar dynamic as humans, but more exaggerated / extreme? They do NOT treat one-another as equals in society with the women seeming to act especially vampy / catty (modified by what Path or other lifestyle they’re in) and the men acting either super stoic, flamboyant, etc? I get the feeling that they will constantly nettle and get on one another’s nerves. Playing jealousy mind games is probably absolutely normal for Drukhari relationships.

>>95891542
with the druchii/drukhari I'm not sure why we can't have one word for both of them- why even that distinction? the difference is less between sexes and more about class
>except of course you're a male trying to get into some really high magic. then malekith kills you or sends men after you
the average noble drukhari family makes the house of Borgia look wholesome

>>95891542
Dark Eldar don't have a concept of "love", the closest thing they have is something along the lines of "my favorite posession" so I figure that the relationships between deldar men and women would be the most insane, toxic, mentally ill shit imaginable.

>>95891766
>spoiler
It's because they're almost completely different beyond some surface similarities. It's like comparing a Mazda RX-8 to a Subaru BRZ.

>>95891542
Dark eldar women prefer to obey only those who are worth obeying, but they obey completely, like mistress Baeda when she submit to Malwrack only after he lost everything and come to claim her no matter the cost.
Craftworld eldar maybe not so far in this, but surely the main element will be a submition of women to worthly men, since this is a religious component, like Isha submit to Kurnous to become a mother. But CWE don't have love stories in 40k (outcluding Thorpe's teenage triangle), so ppls should cling to the pieces in anywhere. For example, in DoW:R arrogant as fuck Kayleth bitching Ronanh for everything, but she's completely shut her mouth right after he doing some "manly" thing in her eyes.
In Void Crossed there some lovehate story between ex-corsairs.

>>95893113
There's a love story in Wild Rider that's actually crazy, Nuadhu's dad saves his mom's soul by keeping both of them inside him (her soulstone was destroyed before/ during her death), which is killing him, which is also why he wouldn't join his second wife's clan.
One of the frustrating things about Gav Thorpe is he has really interesting ideas that he cannot execute on.

>>95825996
And even if they weren't strictly that, they would still be that way towards you anyway. Staving off Slaanesh is a matter of something higher than life or death for them. Their kind is basically doomed and buying time forever. Metafictionally, until the unlikely day when Cegorach pulls the ultimate prank on the Prince of Pleasure. Not that they put any stock in harlequin scheming.

>>95890082
status is the primary sexual characteristic for men too

>>95891850
>Dark Eldar don't have a concept of "love"
You should read "Mistress Baeda's Gift"

>>95895342
NTA but that's one of my favorite Dark Eldar stories. Really showcases how goofy they can be sometimes. Malwrack's exchange with the human woman about 'love' was so funny.

>>95817466 (OP)
what is misunderstood about them? they are there for neckbeards to masturbate to torturing women and children. that is their whole purpose. neckbeards hate stacy so they masturbate to torturing her to dearh; similar to night lords; just a form of written pornography. they are just Art the clown the faction; no artistic value.

t. GW employee who hates these things along with 9/10 of their purchasers. I hope they get squatted. Thankfully all of the signs are pointing to it.

>>95897715
He also completely misunderstands the human showing him her wedding ring, missing the symbolic value of it and just going "got it, women like shiny things! So I'll just have to get Baeda the biggest shiny thing I can find and she'll love me for sure!", and then proceeds to go try steal the big transparent green plastic crystal in the Necron monolith.

>>95897808
>still using Stacy as shorthand for a generic "hot girl'
>the median Stacy is 55 years old
Good lord man, just because nobody will date you doesn't mean you have to date yourself!

>>95828438
They do care about their ancestors, they are kinda like romans, the revere their ancestors while making slaves fight to death in pits and eat exotic animals to extinction

>>95830916
its like a condom for your soul, the path system makes it so you can't feel shit

>>95833368
anyone in a coven is the political elite like a made man in the mafia or a roman senate class

>>95846468
They actually do, in the old inquisitor miniature game there was a faction of inquisitors called the revivcators which used dark eldar tech and could eat souls like vampires to live hundreds of years as a human. I believe they were trying to master dark eldar teck to reincarnate the emperor or fix the golden throne

>>95891850
>I figure that the relationships between deldar men and women would be the most insane, toxic, mentally ill shit imaginable.
There's a tsundere relationship between two archons in "Da Big Dakka"
It's honestly kinda cute

>>95901921
Elaborate

>>95902062
Two archons slowly realize they are in love with each other but neither can show it openly/have a hard time internalizing it because of Deldar culture.
Go read/listen to Da Big Dakka

>>95901921
>Da Big Dakka
Pass

>>95873484
>haeomonculus made entire plot to punish her killer,
I know of that story. They turned her into some freaky mutant.
I wish I could save her...
>>95837774
There is imperialism and there is isolationism. Not the same.

>>95846517
>a population in the hundreds of trillions at least
How are the eldar going extinct then?

>>95912106
There are as many eldar as the plot demands.

>>95912106
Well Craftworlders and Exodites don't fuck like animal and have way smaller population.
Commorrites often live short and miserable lives, but there is a lot of them because they do have sex for fun and when pregnancy happens, female go to haeomonculli abortion clinic to get fetus removed, only for haemonculus to put said aborted fetus inside vat and create vatborn. Yes most of commorragh population are abortion survivors.
Also >>95912115

>>95912132
Antiabortionfags irl should become haemonculli then.
Think about it.

>>95912106
comparatively the number of humans, orks etc as well as pre-fall eldar are still orders of magnitude higher

>>95846517
Craftworlders are the majority of the Eldar race though, and I doubt there are hundreds of trillions of them

>>95912132
>Well Craftworlders and Exodites don't fuck like animal and have way smaller population.
>The most numerous of the Aeldari are those who live on craftworlds. Since the Fall, these craftworlders have been forced to fight for survival, contending with a galaxy that is no longer theirs. They are a proud race, determined to see the flame of their kind blaze brightly once more rather than flicker and die out.

>>95912132
Y'know, it's never been clear to me how vatborn are different than trueborn. Obviously there's the prestige, but otherwise they seem the same. I'd figure the vatborn don't have souls, but I don't think that's ever been stated.

>>95913577
Trueborn: comes out of a vagina as a newborn infant, full pregnancy cycle
Halfborn: comes out of a vat as a full grown adult (or at least a juvenile in control of their own faculties) after an accelerated gestation cycle (probably by torturing things in a manner similar to the regeneration tanks for fully grown deldar who died.)

>>95913577
Trueborn are born to rich nobles who can afford protection and not going on raids during long eldar pregnancy.
Vatborn are abortions that were grown fully inside vats.
Real diference is that vatborns are poor fucks and trueborn have top tier equipment because their parents have money.
In TT trueborn just had more special weapons and one more attack because daddy and mommy could afford personal combat teacher.
In physical terms there is no diference, just one is from slums and other is upper class.
Vatborn might be experimented while still in vat under care of mad scientist, but trueborn might as well just buy some upgrades for family money.

>>95913629
in Path of the Incubus, Ythillian is having a hell of a time finding a new body because most of his relatives are halfborns, so it is not always the case that halfborns are poor and misbegotten. Likewise the incubus from Dark Son was a dirt-poor trueborn.
As is, IIRC, Kharbyr from POTDE. (I could be wrong on this one)
It's just relatively rare.

>>95913596
>>95913629
I know the difference in how they're made and their status, but it seems like there would be something that makes them inherently different than trueborn.

>>95913658
that's the funny part. there really isn't, it's just something that the Dark Eldar themselves made up and reinforce on each other. Trueborns tend to be wealthier and classically educated, which gives them certain obvious advantages, but when push comes to shove there isn't actually much of a difference.

>>95913652
It's not that vatborn must be poor, after all Vect was vat born slave and now is rulling the place, just vat born start with nothing and for every one that will make some serious money there are thousands that will die miserably.
Trueborn don't have this problem because they are born rich into rich familiy as a flex. of course you can always lose your fortune and status in Commorragh, but trueborn have way easier start than vatborn.

>>95913658
No it's just status flex, that you were born natural way in palace and not from some vat in lower levels.
Dark Eldar society is based upon flexing how bad and strong you are. Having children is a flex, being born is something to be proud and flex on the poor who can't afford parents.
It's just literally being born it the hood vs being born in gated community.

>>95913680
yeah but what I am saying is that there are also a significant contingent of halfborns who don't start in the gutters of commorragh with nothing, they are born into established Kabals. There's the whole scene in POT Incubus where NyosYthillian is going through the relatives he has that he can swap bodies with, and he rules out his halfborn relatives, from which we can infer that they were probably all essentially born into the White Flames/Ythillian family rather than working their way up from nothing like Vect did.

>>95817466 (OP)
They are misunderstood, yes, but not in the way people think. They aren't "Le Dark Elves of Dungles & Djangos in Spess," they are Hellraiser-esque hedonists that take particular pleasure in using advanced surgical techniques to make entire families into living furniture.

>>95830331
>Or is that dangerous too?
In Commorragh? Well duh. But maybe not quite as dangerous as some other places.

>>95817466 (OP)
No, they're pretty blatant about the fact that they're psychotically evil.