Thread 95829598

FACT: Pathfinder/Golarion has the deepest lore.

post evidence to support your statement or i will call you fake and gay

>>95829598 (OP)
I think it's pointless to fit this many contradictory settings, genres, and aesthetics into a single game. I mean how many players will use most of them? Wouldn't it be better to just have multiple games where each one only uses one or a few of these themes and the entire game's mechanic is built around the theming?

>>95829812
>I mean how many players will use most of them?
They dont have to. You just need to have a spot every player can feel at home to. Want vikings? Gotcha. Want generic fantasy? Gotcha. Want steampunk? Right this way. Want spooky and scary? Over here, good sir. No one expects one player to dabble in even half of them

>Wouldn't it be better to just have multiple games where each one only uses one or a few of these themes and the entire game's mechanic is built around the theming?
Sounds like too much effort for too little monetary gain.

>>95829825
how is Brevoy as dedicated Game of Thrones land spain?

>>95829825
where is baldurs gate on this map? :3

>>95829598 (OP)
How come there’s an entire adventure with dungeon next to Mega New York and nobody there decides to investigate the strange magical tower except your party?

>>95829893
Because the dungeon had been cleared in the past and everyone assumed the danger was over. So now only random shit like ghouls or goblins or bandit squat in the tower. No one suspected big serious shit was at play in the Abomination Vault, till the PC came to meddle. Everyone else didnt bother with some random Ghouls or those who did just died.

ALSO FACT: No one cares, because no one read it

>>95829964
You mean the beacon turning on and sending light across the land wasn’t indication enough that something was happening?

>>95829679
>Chai'na

>>95830074
i fucking hate it how those fantasy map enthusiasts usually come from Americas which have little to no islands at all and just assume islands are a rarity. my little bitc-ass country has over a thousand.

>>95830119
Having a billion tiny islands in your fantasy game map sounds like a waste of time for everyone involved

I do not care for kitchen sink settings.

>>95830180
islands are very important irl. islands make or break countries. remember how Tyr held out for years before Alexander built a peninsula to take it? Or when Americans took Okinawa, far away from main Japanese islands, but the war was lost for them?

>>95829812
>contradictory settings, genres, and aesthetics into a single game.
Its one setting (a whole world of fantasy heroics in the tradition of many D&D settings such as Eberron, FR, and Greyhawk), one genre (Heroic Fantasy), and a few dozen aesthetics as any actual world would be like (seriously, a whole planet dedicated to gothic horror sounds like shit, and a having a setting that's only the size of an average US state or even smaller like a Euro country sucks).

Dont put more into the actual "themes" than a broad and generic idea of such that is only skin deep. Fantasy Transylvania is inspired by gothic horror, but isn't the only place mad science, werewolves, and vampires reside. Conan vs Space Robots is overplayed, and the region has very little of the robot and a lot of empty land traversed by nomadic tribes.

Camelot but shitty is the worst description considering its the fallen byzantine empire that once held most of the other lands before rebellion and war. And has nothing to do with King Arthur or the Grail cycle.

The USSR is very silly and based entirely on its flag, red with a sword crossed over a hammer, reminiscent of the hammer and sickle. Its actually more like What If Rome But Medieval Europe.

I Bless the Rains Down in Africa is three separate nations. And Fuck Colonists is two nations, only one of which was colonized and drove its colonists out.

Jalmeray gets its own color (bright pink) but not a name. Its Indian Madagascar.

>>95830074
Snake India should be Snake Thailand. India is Vudra. And the Catgirls are furry not anime.

>>95830074
Its a continent wide map that only shows the biggest land areas and any major islands. There literally isn't enough pixels to depict every little island of each nation.

>>95830018
If i recall the first few times locals just thought it was bandits having a campfire or some ghosts doing shit. Once the spire actually send monsters to the local village is when the heroes start to investigate. Its not like the vault begun to drop armies every 2 hours in the middle of absalom

>>95830413
I never said you shouldn't have islands in your maps, just that there's no need to go full realism and include the tens to hundreds of thousands of islands a lot of irl countries have

too bad 2e is gay and boring.
At least theres a good amount of 1e content.

All I know about the setting is that Paizo retconned it multiple times over social media crocodile tears so slaves and drow are no longer part of it making large chunks of the map useless.

>>95829598 (OP)
Reminder that PF 1e is the true spiritual successor to Warhammer Fantasy.

>>95830570
ah, the classic "old good, new bad" rethoric.
by now even the 5e fans have embraced 2024.
>>95830577
how long until they remove all references to violence? come to think of it, reproduction is pretty ableist. everyone should just spawn from mud like the ancient Greeks believed eels to be spawning.

>>95830577
>slaves and drow are no longer part of it making large chunks of the map useless.
Slavery was "ended" by a year long society adventure series, causing Cheliax to rebrand its slavery, and other places to end slavery. How this makes large chunks of the map useless is beyond me.

Drow were a casualty of the OGL and deOGLification of the setting. They were too close to WotCs version and so were excised, a decision made by the dev who was most responsible for drow even existing in PF. This does nothing for pretty much any part of the map, besides the Darklands, but now we get far more serpentfolk and their shenanigans than your purple skinned waifus.

>>95830608
>how long until they remove all references to violence?
don't be a literal retard.

>>95830631
Sounds dreary to play a setting subject to social media crap to be honest.
I think I actually have the book for the 1e campaign setting lying around somewhere, should probably sell it while people still care.

>>95830585
most of these things arent really that much of an issue and you can still life a pretty normal life without major disturbances in most countries. Because if you couldnt, civilisation wouldnt exist.

>wow, there is a evil god in the planets core
Doesnt effect me, he wont be freed in my lifetime. Once in a 1000 years one of his spawn might be uppity, but that isnt happening right now. His cultists are no different than every other random evil god cultist
>Daemons and Divs exist
And are so fucking rare on the material plane that i will never encounter one all my life

>chaotic good beastment celestiatl exist
I will never encounter one in my lifetime, because they are so fucking rare outside the upper planes

>graveyard plane is grey
Not so different to being sortred by Kelemvor in Forgotten Realms

>big doomsday moon
Yeah, in like 20.000.000 years or so. Doesnt effect me

>evil psychopomps exist
Unless i live in Nidal, chances are i will never see one. They are rare outside their plane.

>monsters exist
Cilivisation not only still exist but is thriving, so it cant be THAT bad

>Cheliax exists
Thay also exists. Every setting has its dedicated evil kingdom (or several)

>Nidal exists
See above.

>The Worldwound exist
Alright, that one is bad. Stay the fuck away from there.

>Zombie apocalypse
By the time the Zombie apocalypse starts, the demon rift has been closed and Cheliax recieved a GIANT wedgie, so overall shit became better

>Kaijis are a thing
And so fucking rare that i will never encounter one, unless i live in the designated Kaiju jungle in fake Asia

>The Underdark, the elemental planes and the Shadowfell exist
As does in every single DnD setting

>positive/ negative energy plane exist
You will never have any reason to go there, so it doesnt really matter

>there is stuff in space
As is in Spelljammer. Most of the time if wont meddle with me here on random mid sized golarian town

>Cthulu exist
Legally distrinct far realm elder evils exist in DnD

>>95830631
>serpentfolk
You mean Yuan-ti?

>>95830708
legally distinct Pathfinder "not Yuan-Ti" serpentfolk who love to squat in the "Not Underdark"

>>95830693
>subject to social media crap
It wasn't social media crap. It was PF Society players asking the devs to honor the adventure path they played through and have consequences on the setting. So they did. Golarion is an evolving setting in 2e. Weve had a god die, slavery get outlawed, and a nascent demonlord killed off.

>>95830708
>>95830708
No, you fucking DnDtards. Serpentfolk or as they call themselves, the sekmin. Sekmin dont create human hybrids, don't have weird abominations or aberrant forms, and hate mammals with a burning passion. They are in no way yuan-ti and thinking that all snake people are yuan-ti is a sign of severe retardation but such is expected of 5e players.

>>95830769
>PF Society players asking the devs to honor the adventure path they played through and have consequences on the setting.
Oh god that's even worse. RPGA stuff effecting is like horseshit metanarrative stuff on steroids.
Didn't work for Living Greyhawk and trashed all over Legend of the Five Rings.

>>95830784
Considering APs also affect the setting, and have for well on a decade, I don't see the problem. The only people who have hated these things are pissbabies and people who wont play the game. So I really dont see the problem and neither does Paizo.

>>95830848
>I don't see the problem
>pissbabies

>>95830875
Yes, pissbabies, whiny little shits who piss all over stuff. Haters. People who arent going to like the setting or company no matter what is done.

Basically the types who post in these types of threads and complain about Paizo, Pathfinder, and Golarion. Paizo doesn't care about them and never will.

>>95830912
You could not be outing yourself harder as an offsiter if you tried.

>>95830912
>Paizo doesn't care about them and never will.
lol Jessica Price says hello.

>>95830631
Let's change this up. It's easy to defend something, harder to sell it.

So sell Golarion to me. As a straight white guy who likes boobies and the women with them, sell me Golarion. What can a red-blooded man like myself do in this setting? I'm asking because I had trepidations some years ago while refreshing myself on the lore, and everywhere seems to be ruled by strong, independent girlbosses and lesbian couples. Don't simply prove me wrong, tell me why I should give a shit about this setting.

>>95830784
>those real consequences include whether or not Vim Moneymaker made it to school on time or not
Sheesh such huge waves are being made by PFS players.

>>95830704
>most of these things arent really that much of an issue and you can still life a pretty normal life without major disturbances in most countries.
Anon, That's true of all cosmic and vanilla horror. That's true of fucking Warhammer. Most horror and grimdark plots would break down if there wasn't a majority background radiation of mundane normality, because you need something familiar and good to Lose for the alien and terrible to matter.

>>95830936
And yet ive been here for a decade. I just dont make 4chan my entire personality like so many fuckwits here do, and I don't buy into idiotic tribalism about websites. So whatever.

>>95830953
Absalom, mega new york in OPs image, is lead by a level 20 straight male fighter.

>As a straight white guy who likes boobies and the women with them, sell me Golarion.
No. Im not going to sell it. Im just going to explain why your "trepidation" is retarded.
Theres plenty of boobies and the women who have them. What exactly are you hoping I say, "Fuck off, only gays get to play this"? There are plenty of women, straight, bi, and gay. Are you under the retarded assumption that the game precludes straight people? It doesn't. It just doesn't make them the only option like many other games, and has plenty of gays and bis, trans and cis, for all the others who don't get those options. For once, the straight white male isn't front and center. Now you get to experience what everyone else does. Learn to like it, we have.

If you want to be "red-blooded" man who finds a wife and settles down, the god Erastil is right there. He just doesn't discriminate against gays having families too, which is what I suspect you're actually seeking instead of looking for a wife or three. What you actually want is a setting that precludes gays, bis, and trans people, so you dont have to think about them while wining, dining, and womanizing after an adventure filled with killing xp sacks called goblins, orcs, and gnolls.

You want to be a warrior who drinks, womanizes, and kills ne'er-do-wills? There's plenty of that across the setting. Youre just going to have to put up with gays and bis also doing this, and having trans people around. And plenty of "monster" folk living peaceful lives.

TLDR: you can be a straight redblooded man who likes his women, his strong drink, and likes going on adventure. Do you really need more than that?

>>95830953
>claims to like boobies
>doesn't like lesbians
The math ain't mathing

>>95829598 (OP)
Where's place with the demigod street thugs and local lords?

>>95831087
>my entire personality
You have one?
So far all i've seen is vapid bitching that people aren't enthused by paizo's bowing down to social media fads, that le pissbabies/chuds/tabletop players don't matter and now you just shat out a text seething that some guy asked you to sell him the setting under the pretext that he's not into girlboss politics.
I wouldn't be able to differentiate any of your posts ITT from an LLM trained on bluesky circlejerks.

>>95831087
Alright, but is there any straight monogamous relationship between a biological (or conceptual, i'm willing to accept extraplanar being) man and a woman that is based on mutual respect between the two parties, with both of them still alive and well, and portrayed in a positive light?
And don't say "make your own story/characters/NPCs". I want to know what Paizo actually puts in the setting.

>>95831087
>Wynsal Starborn?

>>95830784
So before, it was 'social media'.
Now that you found out that it was the will of the player base, it's the players who are bad, the people that pay for and support the company.
You are actually this >>95830912; you are here just to whine for it's own sake.
>>95830953
>So sell Golarion to me
It's a kitchen sink fantasy setting. If you like those, Golarion is pretty good. If want you really mean is faggot American culture war bullshit like >>95831218, please, don't bother, and leave the hobby.

>>95830953
>>95831087
And really, why do you care so much that there are woman leaders? Or that there's a lesbian god throuple? How does that interfere with being a redblooded straight male seeking a wife or three?

>>95831144
You really didn't like me mentioning pissbabies. I assumed you were not a pissbaby, but apparently you identify as such. I'll be better in the future about recklessly saying the p word.

>>95831218
>man and a woman that is based on mutual respect between the two parties, with both of them still alive and well, and portrayed in a positive light?
The dwarf god Torag and his wife Folgrit, the human god Erastil and his wife Jaidi. There are so fucking many I'm having a problem actually remembering specifics beyond those two. Mostly because straight people arent special or memorable.

>>95831244
Yes. Though I look at his stats now, I seem to have rounded his level up to 20 in my head. He's level 17.

>>95831305
So there are no positive straight relationships shown by Paizo, got it.

>>95831329
There are plenty, if you look. Everybody just remembers the gays, bis, and others because they happen to be normalized it the setting and The Queers like settings with those. Unlike WotCs tokenism and corporate weirdness around queer representation.

Alright, shut the fuck up about your culture war faggotry for a moment.

What can we expect from the Cheliax vs Andoran war going hot at last?

>>95831329
>faggot culture warrior can not stop sucking cocks
What else can you expect.
That said, there has been this massive uptick in shitposters the last few days. I doubt it's merely a coincidence.

>>95831347
>wulfgar’s revival arc is him having sex with as many women as possible

>>95831349
I do hope it is more an elite's war, with special forces units (ie PC parties) infiltrating the other nations for saboteur work, rather than overly grand battlefield confrontations.

>>95831318
Thanks for the straight answer about the couples,
>>95831347
>>95831354
there was no need to get passive aggressive.

>>95831347
>Unlike WotCs tokenism and corporate weirdness
Paizo is infamous in the industry for being corporate and full-on with tokenism to the point that they'll add throwaway characters to paths just to say they have an mtf tranny/bear gay/lesbian alt chick/etc and also never have any real villains just le incompetent misogynist types with a trigger warning added ever since 2012 - 2013 embodying shallow rainbow capitalism.
They don't believe a word of it on a personal level and will cut off anyone who hurts their business as seen with Price who got fired the second she stopped harassing just their forum-goers and started picking on industry people with actual lawyers behind them.

>>95831387
You brought your faggotry where it is not wanted.
We are 'gatekeeping' our hobby from undesirables, the way I have been told we should.

>>95831411
Yeah, this is just weird bullshit. Price was fired because of a bad corporate environment who didn't feel like doing anything around harassment of women by con guests. Namely, an incident with Bill Webb. These are her own words on what happened. The devs and corporate are separate things. The devs who make the game believe in what they put out, the problem stems entirely from corporate being corporate.

And considering how often WotC has to be pushed to include queers in its material, whereas Paizo just does it and has been for a decade and half, your take is fucking weird.

>>95831432
>We are 'gatekeeping' our hobby from undesirables
I'm pretty sure the only undersireables here malformed, sex-starved, seething incels like you. Look around you, every single gaming company under the sun, including the likes of GW, has felt it's prudent to publicly declare just how despised and unwanted you are in their games lmao

>>95829598 (OP)
It has the WIDEST lore. It's an inch deep, otherwise.

>>95830953
play wrath of the righteous, the only good thing to come out of pathfinder

>>95831914
>Price was fired because of a bad corporate environment who didn't feel like doing anything around harassment of women by con guests.
lol she was fired because she was caught blatantly lying with witnesses present and she was burning bridges with real people (with lawyers) and not just retard drones on their forums like she had done for years. She got fired off Guild Wars later for similar reasons except it was fucking with their PR influencers.

>>95829598 (OP)
I don’t know about the deepest, but I DMed Pf for about 7 years and I have to say that yeah, it’s very deep and really fun and good. My favorite fictional setting.

>>95829893
What adventure are you talking about?

>>95832097
Wasn't that adventure path originally made for 3.5 and got ported to PF later?

>>95832330
Abomination Vault, a mega dungeon hidden under some lighthouse next to a fishing village in Kortos

>>95832368
PF1 is 3.5 with extra crunch. Everything Pf1 and 3.5 are compatible.

Wrath of the Righteous and Kingmaker were both published for Pf1/3.5, then improved for the PC version by Owlcat. The PF2 versions then added in some of the Owlcat content.

>>95831349
>What can we expect from the Cheliax vs Andoran war going hot at last?
Who cares? There's no tension because we know Andoran is going to win. Cheliax has not been hot shit for almost 15 years, now. They've been the setting's butt-monkey failed empire that only exists because nobody had the wherewithal to put them out of their misery. Fucking Tar-Baphon has more menace and he's lame as hell.

>>95831329
>>95831347
>There are plenty, if you look.
I was reading the "Sandpoint, Light of the Lost Coast" sourcebook and the general trend is that straight relationships are either very tragic, or falling apart. Every time you look up, "wife" it's in a sentence about, "he misses his wife" or "he's drinking himself to death and his wife is worried." Meanwhile the lesbians running the Kaijitsu Manor are happily married and the Will They Won't They gay couple finally tied the knot.

It's a general trend that being straight is rough and sets you up for failure, but being gay is sunshine and roses.

>>95832488
>It's a general trend

>>95832511
Y'know what? Okay. I'll go through each of them and report back. This will take a bit, so hold on.

>>95832511
Straight Relationships
>Garridan Viskalai, stable relationship with wife.
>Maver Kesk, relationship is stable but he's a henpecked stereotype
>Ven Vinder, the legend himself. Wife is worried sick of him ignoring Shayliss and drinking himself to death
>Bilivar Wheen, his wife is worried sick of him ignoring his business and drinking himself to death
>Turch Sterglus, his wife is dead and he's very sad about it, her corpse was desecrated
>Chod Bevuk, his wife is dead and was murdered by Chopper. Very sad.
>Lonjiku Kaijitsu, wife cucked him with an Elf and then he died
>Kendra Deverin, fiance was murdered by Chopper and she never remarried

>Honorable Mention, The Shroud. Aka Shayliss Vinder. She spends her time uncovering (specifically male) infidelity and reporting it to the public

Meanwhile, Gay Relationships,
>Jasper Korvaski, great guy who married his lover Cyrdak and they're doing great. Only issue are the Scarnetti's being bigots
>Velarie, one of the live-in maids at Kaijitsu Manor with her wife, Anyaia. No mention of their relationship's stability, but less said is often more to the side of comfortable

>>95832570
So there are 2 gay relationships in the entire sourcebook. One's stable, the other's unknown (because it's barely even described). What's the problem here? "general trend"?
Do note that half the straight examples you've given are not actually unstable or tragic relationships but households dealing with external problems. Kesk is a LG jeweller who's a bit of an airhead and his wife has to tard wrangle him from leaving the safe open and Vinder only started drinking after his daughter was murdered by a serial killer.

>>95832717
>What's the problem here? "general trend"?

>Heterosexual relationships are rough and set you up for tragedy, while being gay is about having stability and freedom
It's an inverse of the Bury your Gays sentiment and people eat it up.

Do you want me to start bringing up other APs? Like Reign of Winter having three "dead husband" characters in the same book? And watch, I'll even be frank and honest and point out that the relationship of your quest-giver in Shattered Star is actually very stable and loving. They're a proper power couple.

But they're the exception. And they were written before Paizo simply chose to ignore describing NPC relationships entirely unless it was how Yet Another Strong Woman in the story has a lesbian lover. Fucking hell, Cayden Cailean's only confirmed relationship is fucking Torag's gay son, and he's meant to be *the* libertine.

>>95832789
Who’s the Paizo equivalent of the champions of the hall?

>>95830119
Why did you say this to an image with a bunch of islands on it?

>>95832570
i mean, lets be fair here. A guy being in a stable, happy marriage with his wife isnt worth mentioning. Thats the standart thing. There isnt much juice to pull from as a dm. Everything is fine? Alright, i guess. Adding some form of drama, struggle or tension gives you something to work with, something to nudge the PCs towards investigating should they feel like. "This guy is drinking himself to death and his wife is worried? Uh-oh, wonder why. Might be a quest hook"

>>95832934
>Who’s the Paizo equivalent of the champions of the hall?
This one,
https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Ostog
It's not a clean comparison because Ostog doesn't have a book series about him, but he fits the bill of, "tough guy who joins gang of adventurers and earns a legend before settling down as a man of power." He even does the thing the Champions do and go across the continent hitting all the iconic spots.

>>95832789
>>Heterosexual relationships are rough and set you up for tragedy, while being gay is about having stability and freedom
Getting yelled at by your wife for LETTING THE SAFE OPEN is not being set up for tragedy, you abject subhuman. Holy shit, literally half the examples you cited (from a single campaign setting book, far from indicating a "general trend") do NOT support your retarded claims. The gay couple despised by the local conservative population and being pressured to leave town have its just as rough. You piss babies just love to bitch and moan about every little thing.
And someone's wife/gf getting killed isn't an "Inverse Bury your Gays" or whatever the fuck you're babbling about. It's called Women in Refrigerators and it's a trope that existed decades before Paizo was founded.

>>95832789
>inverse of the Bury your Gays
Animate Gays?

>>95829865
Guy who made it didn't know what Poland was. This is my favorite Pathfinder map because of how comically wrong it is.

>>95829598 (OP)
>forgotten realms 2.0
No thanks. I’ve had enough of bland kitchen sink setting #3000 for one lifetime

>>95829598 (OP)
What goes on in "Uh Oh"?

>setting tourists bitching about metaplot changes
every single time

>>95829598 (OP)
Yes, and it's a ton of fun. You pick a section and make a cool story with friends.
This one was literally our campaign. All I had to do was take the USSR for Molthune, and make not-stalin sane and competent, and used the ukranian anarchists for Nermathas. Then I gave both parties a coat of British paint, and nobody figured it out.
Also the evil devil nazi empire to the south tried to do border raids, and the players kicked them in the nuts so hard it was funny.

>>95832717
>>95832789
Two reasons of why it's this way.
First is that A happily married straight couple tends to be boring. Kind of like how 2/3rds of adventurers never seem to interact with their parents in most games. Only time a straight marriage gets mentioned is when it's an exception to the default state.
Second, Gay relationships tend to be more stable than straight ones. At least percentage wise. Which we can actually more blame on the boomers and their apocalyptic divorce rates, and before that, their parents in the 50s/60s having unhappy marrages with unhappy nuclear families.
There's a reason the 50s style traditional stay at home mom stereotype also has wine in the hamper. Prior to yuppies in the 80s, it was suburbian housewives who were the prime american demographic to buy cocane.

>>95835885
HQ of the evil Archlich (legally distinct Vecna) who is responsible for the zombie apocalypse to the left of "Uh Oh"

>>95829825
it's the more up to date map, so add to your chudism or fuck off

>>95836332
>Second, Gay relationships tend to be more stable than straight ones.
Gay MALE relationships. The actually did a poll recently on this now that gay marriage has been around for over a decade and decent sample sizes can be gathered. It basically goes like this: Gays > Straights >>*power gap*>> Lesbians. 72% of divorces in same sex marriages come from lesbian couples. Which once again goes to show that women are the root of nearly all problems in a marriage.

>>95836682
Pathfinder?

>>95836710
Yes, lots of married gay couples in Pathfinder.

>>95836736
but >>95832570 pointed out its 8 straight ones vs 2 gay ones.

>>95836755
Yes but that's just in one sourcebook anon

>>95830119
Most islands don't show up on larger scale maps.

>>95830311
I'm okay with complicated settings, but not when the whole genre can be adjusted with a car trip.

>>95844870
>but not when the whole genre can be adjusted with a car trip
But you literally can have that right now in the real world, depending on the place you live.

>>95831951
My brother in christ. The fact that you think corporations are genuinely on your side and weren't doing the whole rainbow capitalism shtick for the sweet Blackrock money is honestly quite sad.

>>95846354
>Blackrock money
Corporations do what they do for money. Your conspiratorial gibberish about how an investment firm is actually, secretly, trying to push social policies you don't like as some insidious Soros-style conspiracy, is moronic.

People are pro-gay; thus, it is beneficial to companies to be pro-gay. Simple as.

>>95846377
>secretly
I don't know how to tell you this but there's nothing secret about it. They openly talk about it and anyone who has any type of corporate job knows why this stuff is pushed so I don't know where your getting this "conspiracy" talk from? Unless i assume you're just a terminally online loser who only talks to his discord server of weirdos.
>People are pro-gay
People WERE pro-gay. Your group's behaviour for the last 10 years kind of burnt that ship and now even normies are sick of your shit.

>>95836553
Getting this mad over a map.

>>95846483
>They openly talk about it and anyone who has any type of corporate job knows why this stuff is pushed
The conspiracy is "why this stuff is "pushed"". Business is in the business of making money. Artists may push the edge because they're all libs and anarchists, but businesses only care about the bottom line.

>People WERE pro-gay.
Nope, people are pro-gay. Insane to accuse someone else of being a "terminally online loser who only talks to his discord server of weirdos" while posting this nonsense.

>>95846527
>>95846306
Jesus Christ, do you just spend your whole day coming on /tg/ to whiteknight the gays? lmao!

>>95846671
No, that's a different person, because as noted, people are generally pro-gay. Your anti-gay position is weird even on 4chan, where /pol/tards have ruined this board.

>>95846755
lol, lmao even.

>>95846769
Concession accepted. Glad I don't have to waste brain power trying to argue with you anymore.

>>95846755
But it very clearly is you posting on both.

>>95846802
It's not. I don't even have that thread open. The fact that you have a tiny brain is noted, though.

>>95846483
>I don't know how to tell you this but there's nothing secret about it. They openly talk about it and anyone who has any type of corporate job knows why this stuff is pushed so I don't know where your getting this "conspiracy" talk from? Unless i assume you're just a terminally online loser who only talks to his discord server of weirdos.
Yeah, they openly talk about asset management, private equity deals and 401(k)s. Because that's what they do. They are just your run-of-the-mill investment firm, not the shadowy Jewish globohomo cabal you've built up in your tiny, deluded mind. The founders and biggest stockholders are big Trump donors, as a matter of fact.
>>95846483
>People WERE pro-gay. Your group's behaviour for the last 10 years kind of burnt that ship and now even normies are sick of your shit.
People are still plenty pro-gay. You know what they aren't, never where and never will be? Mentally stunted, socially maladjusted, physically malformed, sexually starved revolting incel freaks like yourself. (You) people seriously disturb normal folks on a deep, primal level.

>>95846354
This.
The political difference at play here is that one side sees the corporations team up against normal people, and they literally think "This is good. I'm the resistance!" and then they just believe whatever they're told to believe by their oligarchs. This is as natural to them as the air they breath.
Then they want to tell YOU that YOU are some kind of bad actor. The hypocrisy is glaring, fist of all, and second, I genuinely do not understand where the moral authority these people think they have is coming from.
They literally fight on behalf of corporations and the concept of embezzling money, but that's all apparently fine because YOU are a bad person, and defeating you justifies literally anything.
It's psycho, and more than that, it's stupid. It doesn't make any real sense unless you're trapped in a vibe matrix where the entire world has been transformed into a twitter narrative by constant internet propaganda. They're reading shit about how Trump is sending people to be mass murdered in El Salvador, which is obviously fake, but that won't stop them from claiming the moral high grand based on an actual fantasy.
These people can't be reasoned with and you were stupid to even try.

>>95849723
sup?

>>95849723
I love her.
Erastil, Lamashtu, Ragathiel. My favorite deities from the setting.

>>95850119
Can we try this again, only this time sound less mad?

>>95850198
Bold of you to make that claim when you've been pissing and shitting up this entire thread over a slightly edgy map and bringing up gay charts lmao!

>>95849707
ESG is an easily verifiable fact anon. The concept and the metrics they value are all a google search away. Saying that this is some crazy conspiracy shows that you're clearly the bad actor here. A better argument would be to tell me how this is in fact a good thing that social change is being made in this way but that would mean you admit that you're a corpo boot licker that wants investment firms to have the power to sway social change instead of being the "resistance".

>>95853493
Your understanding of ESG (aka greenwashing) is about the same as that of DEI and cultural hegemony, which is that of a particularly retarded, shit-stuffing 15yo autist. So, yeah, I'm just gonna call your a seething mindbroken conspiratard (like most people you meet do) and call it a day. No go play with your dick on /pol/ or /x/ or wherever the fuck you people like to fester.

>>95854113
Pure Projection. All you have done is shit up this entire thread seething against trolls.

>>95853464
>Bold of you to make that claim when you've been pissing and shitting up this entire thread over a slightly edgy map and bringing up gay charts lmao!
What the fuck are you blathering about, you abject malformed subhuman? Are you having an actual mental breakdown?

>>95854214
>n-no u
Your concession and melty are both very much accepted.

>Pathfinder
now shut the fuck up about real world culture war shit

>>95830074
A secret underwater civil war sounds highly relevant to my interests, where can I learn more?

>>95854381
In the PF 1 and PF 2 Tian Xia setting books

>>95854390
Thanks

>>95854408
I might be retarded what exactly is the 1E book called? It keeps getting buried by the new one when I try and search it up

how can pf2e be woke if it doesn't even have mandatory futanari gangbangs in APs...

>>95854408
>>95854452
this one right here.

>>95829598 (OP)
Based setting. Now let's go back to worshipping Desna's feet.

>>95854495
Thanks

>>95854495
Holy shit is that a Ninja! I cant wait for Paizo to release that class/archetype in 2e!

>>95832368
>>95832443
I think everything up to Council of Thieves was modeled on 3.5 (the first could APs especially), but after that Pathfinder was established enough that they only used their own rules. Wrath of the Righteous was way later and built on their Mythic rules (which differ quite a bit from Epic levels in 3.5)

>>95854484
We call it woke because it's not nearly based enough to have them