Having a hard time dealing with the fact I really don't like Magic any more
I haven't even been playing it for that long but I feel utterly exhausted and just can't give a shit about how it's been going ever since around 2023 with the IP sets and universe beyond shit
There was legitimately fantastical and enchanting, dare I say magical, about the previous sets and world of Magic
Even when it was cringe and stumbled it at least was trying
But set after set, gimmick after gimmick of just utter horseshit to pander to retards that don't even play have left me cold
The only thing I enjoy about the game any more is looking at art of previous cards because even the art has degraded, to say nothing of the abysmal game design and the absolute scum fuckery Wizards have been pulling
I guess what I'm really asking is how to beat sunk cost fallacy and recognise when a game should be permanently shelved

>>95835285 (OP)
> I guess what I'm really asking is how to beat sunk cost fallacy and recognise when a game should be permanently shelved

You don't need advice for how to recognize it. You already do. I also recently recognized it after playing a bit of current standard.

But you can also quit playing new sets without quitting the game entirely. My friends and I built a cube which we draft frequently and its tons of fun.

Just replace it with another game, like branching out in board games or getting a new hobby.

>sunk cost fallacy
Just accept that the money you spent was just that: spent. You played the game and had fun, and now it's time to move on.

>>95835285 (OP)
My exact feelings with Yugioh. I keep coming back to it but it's a completely different game now, it just has the same name

Be happy you're not a sports fan.

You could be stuck rooting for a shit team for decades. Hell, your team could go from winning three championships in a row to complete shit for two decades or more, and you can't do anything but go to their games and hope that your lone voice amongst tens of thousands might inspire them to just suck a little less. In the worst case scenario, you could be born and indoctrinated into a sports family loyal to a particularly shitty team, and forced to suffer loss after loss after loss for the entirety of your life.

Card game goes sour? Find a new team or even a whole new sport to root for. Maybe the Owner/Manager/Coach of your old team will get replaced and you'll start caring again, but really, there's no shame in being a fair-weather or bandwagon fan when it comes to games. They're just games, not a cult.

>>95835384
I love sports
I love women's gymnastics, women's golf, women's pole vaulting, women's swimming especially

>>95835285 (OP)
I used to have the same mindset, but I've embraced it now. Magic has expanded beyond just a medieval-era fantasy setting and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If you think about it, "magic" as a concept/boogeyman still has present-day relevance.

>>95835473
This is always such a silly thing to say since magitek and weird sci fi aesthetic has been integral to magic since the late 90's.

>>95835393
Funny that volleyball didn't make the list.

>>95835473
It's not that the medieval style has been lost, the modern art and world is just so safe and bland
The cards used to be genuinely evocative but now it's just nothing, just boring generic shit

>>95835285 (OP)
>There was legitimately fantastical and enchanting, dare I say magical, about the previous sets and world of Magic
... and it was completely despoiled by Return to New New Phyrexia.

>>95835285 (OP)
MTG lore was always set dressing background noise, the novels were dreck and most of the plane-specific plots sucked ass. Nothing of value is being lost by switching to already existing franchises

>>95835285 (OP)
If you're not struggling to feed yourself and had fun playing there is no sunken cost fallacy here. It sounds like you started playing when the game was already shit but before truly retarded UB choices were the norm. Even at its lowest, they still produce some fun limited environments, edh can still be good with the right group and there are fan formats like 93/94 and premodern that put the essence and dare I say soul of the game in a time capsule. Either find a format and group that work for you or move on and stop being such a baby. Sell your collection and buy some good boardgames or things for any other hobby that interests you.

>>95835550
this

mtg worldbuilding can only withstand being looked at through one or two lines of card flavor text, the second you take a closer look at the vast majority of planes it's always

>real world mythological pantheon with the names slightly changed
or
>the plane where everyone is X

>>95835535
Magic has gone a bit... further than that.
Magic robot? Okay.
Optimus Prime? Uhh...

Winged Unicorn? Sure.
Twilight Sparkle? Ehh...?

Ravenous Snail? Great.
Gary from Sponge Bob? Wuh?

Car? Okay, that's a little weird.
Regalia, the iconic convertible from Final Fantasy XV? Shit yeah, now we're talking!

>>95835285 (OP)
Quit but keep your cards. Eventually you'll wanna try again

>>95835550
Lowest iq take on the board. Plenty is absolutely lost in the transition from original characters to Spiderman and Frodo teaming up against SpongeBob and Dr Who. The novels were bad but the art wasn't and the art has definitely gotten safer and derivative. What an absolute travesty that people like rk post and Ian Miller are relegated to special treatments once in a blue moon instead or core artists.

>>95835582
>original characters

>here's King Mida...I mean, King Macar!
>here's King Arthu...I mean, King Kenrith!
>here's Tho...I mean, Toralf!
>here's Oroch...I mean, O-Kagachi!
>here's Camazo...I mean, Aclazotz!

Nothing. Of Value. Was lost.

That's not even getting into the horrible community that kicked out a fantastic artist like Therese Nielsen because she had the gall to be anything other than far left

>>95835543
Fair enough I guess. I like having blood and chicks wearing bikinis on my cards too, but not having that isn't the end of the world.

>>95835575
Twilight Sparkle is literally just a Pegasus but with an IP attached to it

>>95835535
I would argue that the magitech back then had one difrenciator, it had an in-house style.
That style was wither scrappy junkers made of metal or Renaissance/Age of Discovery styled things of wood, brass, and silver.
Mirrodin pivoted into a unique biotechnology direction and Kaladesh pushed it to its absolute limits.

Those are very different from 1920s car but the wheels glow.

>>95835596
>nothing of value was lost
>so lets make things even worse

>>95835596
t. Only started playing after things stared getting bad.
That said Magic was ionky it's own unique thing for like 10-13 years and we are over a decade out from when the degradation started.

>>95835643
Well yeah but the post I replied to intimated nothing of the sort nevermind them stating that "it isn't necessarily a bad thing" while attaching a new Capenna image. New Capenna and Kaladesh both have enough internal consistency to the point where it's a matter of personal taste. I think they're both bad and too far a departure from the more fantasy planes.

>>95835636
She's an intelligent talking royal alicorn (a pony with a horn that grants magic powers, wings that grant flight, and also has earth pony powers) with the general mind and attitude of an eight-year-old girl but who's also considered an adult in her society and has to do shit like have a job.

If she appeared on any plane of Magic, people would wonder whether she was a hallucination. Unicorns and Pegasi would flee from her in fear and disgust. Children would cry.

>>95835665
The irreversible damage was nosewater thinking the card front needed a redesign.

>>95835665
Anon, original Theros is more than 10 years old. Original Kamigawa, more than 20. It was always like this, you just were too young and unfamiliar with the shit they were ripping off to realize

>having a cheeky reference in a set is literally the same as shoving spongebob into the game

>>95835688
Next you're going to try to tell me that Aladdin and Cao Cao were ripped off from somewhere and not wholly original characters.

>>95835696
>cheeky reference

I chose one from each plane to make a point of how widespread it was, but I could easily keep bringing up examples for every one of those planes if you want me to. Do I really need to, though? Anyone who is even slightly familiar with the specific mythos or pantheons being copied can easily tell by themselves, it's not like they're bothering to hide it...and now they're just bothering even less!

>>95835473
Magic was never strictly a "medieval fantasy" even in its very first set.

However, it was never cars and cassette tapes either. The mysticism was always a first aspect.

>>95835626
What about advanced idea's like racism and genocide on your cards?

Remember when Nissa was an elf supremacist, Sorin was a hedonist who only cared about the Eldrazi because their release meant his party was over? Jace was an egomanic and borderline sociopath?

That's not even delving into the good characters. That's Brady bunch characters who got worse when said Brady was fired.

>>95835285 (OP)
lol dumbass kid who wasn't even alive when MTG was good crying on social media to try to fit in with the retard hivemind

>>95835730
>Jace was an egomanic and borderline sociopath?

He's still that, he recently mindcontrolled a bunch of innocent people during the racing set

>>95835677
You sure seem to know a lot about the cartoon ponies

I actually am mesmerized with the weirdness of any IP sets. Aetherdrift, duskmourn, outlaws, these sets are so bizarre and cool. I really wish they would just do ip sets. I don't think I'll buy the UB standard sets, at all and may just proxy if i want a card from them.

>>95835730
>advanced idea's
>racism
Pick one

>>95835285 (OP)
Make a Cube and draft it. Good thing about Cubes is it's a curated experience that only has cards you like playing with or against, no UB slop if you don't like it, no hats or gimmicks if you don't like them, and so on. Go on, king, use your huge ass collection for something fun.

>>95835285 (OP)
Its 30 years old in an industry were games are expected to live for 2-4. You magic paypigs can cry all you like about Universes Beyond but every FF prerelease was over subscribed in my area (2 LGS) that might have pulled 8 people to a good prerelease a few years ago

>>95835285 (OP)
I started playing during 6th edition and yeah Hssbro is satan now, I sold my mtg stuff. Focusing on other tcgs that hit my nostalgia: Digimon and Sorcery Contested Realm.

>>95835769
I'm cursed with the ability to learn vast amounts of completely worthless information about shit franchises via osmosis. I know more about 40k than most people who actually play the game.

>>95835823
Racism is an advanced idea

>>95835716
Better to helod them to the idealized standards they have never been able to fully reach than to just shrug it all and throw the baby away with the bathwater.

>>95835696
Spongebob isn't in the game. It's a secret lair, idiot. A glorified proxy.

>cleavage bad
>literal gay sex references is fine

>>95835537
Yeah I was about to say, no beach volleyball? For shame.

>>95835285 (OP)
>how to beat sunk cost fallacy

>>95835986
Millions of flies are eating shit as we speak. Why aren't you?

>>95835285 (OP)
>how to beat sunk cost fallacy and recognise when a game should be permanently shelved
Read this thread and the people trying to defend the game and ask yourself if you really want to be like them

>>95835823
>genetics aren't real

>>95835285 (OP)
None of this shit bothers me in the slightest, they've been doing pop culture stuff since the beginning. Back when I started there were people slightly older than me talking just like you about how Kamigawa and Theros were going to be the end of Magic now that every set was doing real world mythology and LGSs were totally going to die because there's too many normies like me getting into the game. The delusional bastards.

>>95836073
Okay here's a fun fact for you for the road: she is literally the most cummed to character in all of human existence. She has the most porn of anyone, ever, she's literally #1. Eight years old my ass.

>>95836744
Sorry, but I unfortunately know the actual fun fact, and the most cummed-to character is Rei Ayanami, with Asuka being a close 2nd.

>>95836761
Twilight Sparkle porn moons her by a factor of six.

>>95836779
Furaffinity isn't the internet and I'm concerned that you think it is.

>>95835285 (OP)
NOOOOOOO!!!! YOU'RE LYING!!! WE DELETED THE GATHERER COMMENTS TO PREVENT THIS SORT OF THING MODS BAN THIS ANON! BAN THEM!!!! FINAL FANTASY IS THE HIGHEST SELLING SET OF ALL TIME!!! HOW DARE YOU BE AGAINST UB!!! THIS IS THE NEW WAY OLD MAN!! MTG HAS ALWAYS BEEN BAD!!!

Did I hit all the boxes, or did I miss a few? This game will be shuttered by next year. Mark my words.

>>95835285 (OP)
Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home...

>>95835550
The Thran is worth more than your very life.

>>95837011
Stop infecting other threads and stay in /mtg/ the schizophrenia is already unbearable don't take it out on other threads.

>>95835550

Your birthday begins with 199X or 200X.

Worthless opinion discarded.

>>95835610
Let's be clear - the COMMUNITY did nothing of the sort. The KIKES and fucking degenerate dick chopping fetishists at JotC did this. The COMMUNITY was mad as hell about it and still is.

I sure am glad all the JotC drones are here to tell us Magic was never good. This helps us to remember to never buy their product.

>>95835730
>borderline
Jace is a spike self-insert. That's why he's so insufferable and lore-wrecking just by existing.

>>95837011
you still haven't posted your own deck that you play in your format. You're a coward and a fraud.

>>95835986
No they weren't.

>>95836089
Yep, that's how it began.

>>95836419
*bots

Bots aren't people. Please refrain from referring to them in this way.

>>95835285 (OP)
It's just a game, not a lifestyle. That's all there is to it.

>>95835473
i don't care about them widening the genre palette, the thing i hate is them
putting Sephiroth and Batman into Standard

I am in a similar predicament as OP in regards to Magic. I've tried many different TCGs and even tried Warhammer looking for a new hobby.
I've decided to focus on Pokemon TCG Live and Yugioh Masterduel (playing at home, because I am an anti social shut-in these days). Also I got a pet cat to distract me and take my time.

>>95837011
Premodern killed Old School 93/94 (outside the format killing itself).

>>95835571
That's not true at all. Classic Dominaria is the exact opposite of what you described. What's the real world influences of Ulgrotha, Mirrodin, Zendikar, or the five shards of Alara. Ravnica takes alot from Eastern Europe, but does it in its own unique ways.

Sets are X cancer didn't start until the success of Innistrad

>>95835535
>>95835473
>>95835550
The difference between Urza's robots and Capenna's jalopies is that the former has its own original aesthetic and still fit the concept and style of fantasy. Capenna is a soulless artless visual ripoff of art deco, by art students who only know how to mimic style, not produce their own. That's okay, AI will replsge them soon, and will hopefully also replace the horses of hairsplitting beard stroking pseudo intellectual faggots who will respond to this post.
>b-b-but "fantasy" doesn't imply a specific time period
>le smug face.jpg
Shut the fuck up faggot. Magic established its time period and identity as medieval fantasy from it's very first set
>b-b-but it's not actually medieval cause muh feudal system
Shut the fuck up faggot. It generally imitates that period as is understood in popular fiction.
>b-b-but muh gunpowder came before full plate armor
Shut the fuck up faggot. Gunpowder is anti heroic and that's why it often is excluded from fantasy settings. MTG has had weird magic guns. That doesn't excuse low effort genre emulation.
>b-b-but MTG can change
Yeah and it's shit. It's low effort.
>b-b-but MTG was always shit
Wrong. Mirrodin, Lorwyn, Ravnica and Alara were all well constructed high concept planes.
>lol you think any of those were good
Shut the fuck up you contrarian faggot. You don't actually think that, you're just a little faggot fuckwit and I'd love the joy of sinking a running electric drill into your fat fucking gut and watching it siphon out your gut fat like cottage cheese and listen to squeal like a stick pig. You're a fucking subhuman and you genuinely should be fried alive and serve as food to livestock.
>who are you quoting
Shut the fuck up faggot. I'm preempting the same arguments I have already btfo in the past on this subject.

I've reached the bargaining stage - since I know next-to-nothing about Final Fantasy it may as well be an original world to me...

>>95839522
>it may as well be an original world to me
But Anon, a world with sword and sorcery feels so out of place between the racecar set and the space opera set

>>95839563
Final Fantasy isn't sword and sorcery, it's steampunk gonzo anime garbage

>>95839522
Play Stranger of Paradise, XII and X

>>95839518
>Capenna is a soulless artless visual ripoff of art deco
More than that, it's a soulless ripoff of HearthStone's soulless ripoff of art deco. So is Ixalan. So are the Eldrazi, which are both a soulless ripoff of Lovecraft. It's gotten so bad I

I do have fun when playing against friends at home with similar budgets, but reading about the pro scene and going to FNM is fucking abysmal

>sunk cost fallacy
Sell your cards. If you're an oldfag you should get at least something for them. Then buy a LCG of some sort, Netrunner is pretty popular, maybe it'll be your cup of tea?

>>95841741
I don't play twittershit

>>95839563
>final faggotry
>sword and sorcery

>>95841782
The point is to get rid of shit that's not fun and to get shit that's fun, you can buy Catan for all I care, most things are better than buying monthly lootboxes full of cardboard made by a shitty company

You shouldn't be playing games in any form above age 12 unless you are generating income from it. Simple as.

>>95841843
This
A man should be stoic, never smile and is only permitted to shed a single tear at his daughters wedding and his parents funeral

>>95839518
Neither Urza's robots nor Capenna's cars fit the medieval fantasy theme, yet you're fine with one and not the other. Your post is just expressing personal preference.

Is premodern worth getting into?

>>95835285 (OP)
1) Sell cards
2) Move on with your life

>>95841969
Wrong. The Urza robots do not imitate a modern trope or aesthetic. The capenna cars literally try to look like 1920s automobiles. Even Kaladesh was more unique. You're a fucking hylic if you can't notice this difference in style, and moreover, why it's important.

>>95835285 (OP)
Sell your collection and come to FaB. Best decision I have in years

>>95841843
Oof. This isn't even a braindead take, this is a souldead take. Let me guess, you live in the Midwest? Play is how the mind flexes its muscle. It's literally training. And you shouldn't do anything unless you're getting paid for it? Were you grown in a vat?

>>95850700
Fleah and Blood is being ruined by overpowered weeb heroes and literally memeslop sets like the new pirates one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjnvldsRcNU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5juwLfoeex4

Construct your own cube and play it with friends.

>>95842199
Premodern is similar to old school renaissance. It sucks.

>>95854172
Amazing bait
OSR is the only thing saving DnD from total death.

>>95855244
osr is simulacrum.

>>95855279
Nice buzzwords.

>>95857561
Am I wrong?

>>95859791
Yes. While OSR did evolve out of the simulacrum games subforum of Dragonsfoot, it is not itself a simulacrum. A simulacrum, even in its less charitable definition, is a hazy yet accurate depiction of the original. The OSR is a reconstruction of a game that never existed. It is the epitome of hyperreal. It is a form of historic revisionism through nostalgia.

>>95855244
>OSR is the only thing saving D&D
No. That is the most asstarded thing you can say, and there are people in this thread saying Magic is good.
The only thing saving D&D is people at WotC funneling money from Magic addicts into keeping the brand alive.

>>95860175
>A simulacrum, even in its less charitable definition, is a hazy yet accurate depiction of the original.
Wrong. The defining feature of simulacrum is it's something which exists beyond reality. It's not "accurate depiction of the original".

>The OSR is a reconstruction of a game that never existed. It is the epitome of hyperreal. It is a form of historic revisionism through nostalgia.
In other words, it's a simulacrum.

>>95860286
simulacrum
/sĭm″yə-lā′krəm, -lăk′rəm/
noun
That which is formed in the likeness of any object; an image.
A shadowy or unreal likeness of anything; a phantom; a vague, unreal representation.

Stop being wrong.

I will never not be mad about this. Pretty good art and possibly the most based flavor text besides OG it that betrays (mad about that too). And then they just did away with it with the JS 2022 reprint which includes my least favorite character in all of MTG (Zimone). At least the subsequent reprints didn’t use the JS 2022 art/flavor.

>>95860175
>The OSR is a reconstruction of a game that never existed.
That's why it's called a Renaissance retard. Especially if you're referring to it as "the" OSR ("the old school roleplay" doesn't make sense).
Also it being a simulacrum DOESNT DO ANYTHING TO FUKING REFUTE WHAT I SAID HERE: >>95855244

>>95860175
>The OSR is a reconstruction of a game that never existed. It is the epitome of hyperreal. It is a form of historic revisionism through nostalgia.
Stop baiting. It definitely isn't just that. A big part of the OSR is Old School Revival. It is the revival of the style of play of early dnd, or to be more precise of one of the ways of play in oldschool dnd. The one that it's fans consider the most accurate way. We know how certain people played back then and that is what it's meant to revive and it has largely succeeded.
Then there is the Renaissance part that has to do with the core concepts and using these as inspiration and to provide new ideas and innovation. Most of this has morphed into the so called NuSR around here.
Both are alive and well and have been a massive force in the rpg scene the last 10-15 years.
Sincerely, not an OSR fan but i hate faggots like you.
I despise narrative games for example but i dont go around spouting fake shit about them online.

Also premodern is peak soul and i m glad faggots like you hate it and will not sully the format even if i dont play currently

>>95862606
>>95863082
Both Premodern and OSR lack soul. Contrast with Renaissance which took something old and remixed it into something new. There's no new spark, no infusion of new ideas, no innovation in premodern nor in osr. Especially in case of osr which reuses parts of the old thing without the actual spirit of the old thing or infusion of some kind of new spirit - it's just filtered through 4 meta layers of cynicism, irony and empty nostalgia.

>>95863137
the osr arent the 10 guys who post on osrg. stop viewing the world through a 4chan/tg lense.
You are also blatantly wrong. Something doesnt have to be new or innovative to have soul.
You have simply convinced me that you either completely lack soul and have never encountered something soulful in your or you are just a baiting shitposter.

just checked my mkm account
i have spent 7k over 10 years
jesus fuck how did i get here
its like one 25€ letter every week of singles
never do edh, kids and always proxy

>>95863897
sounds like my friends honestly. people addicted to the commander ratrace are irredeemable.
I ve tried so many times to make them play budget, make a cube from their chaff or some janky pauper deck from our collections but they dont wanna play anything casual and fun.
They only want the salt and keep chasing high power decks..

>>95863892
Could you please post some good content to support your argument? OSR play journals-blogs etc. Show me.

>>95863947
it's like microtransactions irl
never thought it would happen to me and im truly ashamed

>>95863956
i mostly followed blogs that posted osr resources or small homebrew ideas. i am not into play journals.
There are a lot of people that created or create things within the osr parameters
>https://thecollaborativegamer.wordpress.com/towns/a-system-for-creating-fantasy-villages-towns-and-cities/
>https://clericswearringmail.blogspot.com/2022/07/roost-in-forgotten-church.html
>https://enthusiasticskeletonboys.blogspot.com/2020/05/enthusiastic-pirate-bois-osr-wavecrawl_17.html

Here are some examples i quickly whipped up

>>95864024
buying singles is a predatory practice and they are literally a series of micro-transactions where most of the time you want one shiny card or 2 and then you add some value staples to feel better about your order and rinse and repeat every time somebody gets a new card and you get jealous or a new set comes out that is about once per 2 months at most with the current release schedule

the transition of mtg from buying packs, boxes/decks etc to the singles aftermarket dominated by shops opening a gajillion packs has enabled wotc to get away with truly egregious cards an to cause great amounts of fomo by limiting product quantity and set intervals flooding the market.
Shit was getting fucked back in 2013 and we knew it back then but we got called out as doomers and look at where we are now

>>95835384
>stuck supporting a shitty team
You have no idea anon

>>95835285 (OP)
You’re experiencing hobby burnout which does happen. Honestly the solution is take a break. Say 6 months give or take you’ll know how long feels right. If in that time you find yourself giving less of a shit then you have your answer. If you get pulled back in the maybe the problem is how you play
>sunken cost
Accept the money is spent, you can’t take it with you when you die anyway

>>95864079
These look pretty nice. Is this all considered OSR?

>>95867554
yes

I wish MTG had a really good AI opponent. I don't want to play with other people, I just want a computer I can play with casually for a half hour a day after work.

>>95868197
So basically going beyond basic bitch DnD and similar products aimed at mass audience is now called OSR? Cause guides about generating interesting city or a custom setting system have been around for as long as internet. I have been reading this kind of content 15 years ago only back then no one was calling it OSR or some kind of special movement.

>>95868378
these are all people making stuff up for their osr games/ with osr games in mind.
Yes, some if not most could be applied/converted to other games but that does not negate this simple fact and if you bothered to look for more than 5 seconds on each blog then you would have figured this out yourself

>>95868215
Magic on computer is fucking dogshit.
Get a roommate or gf who loves magic.
Ideally date some fat girl from your job with the same schedule and move in with her and get her obsessed with your dick and then obsessed with MTG and you can play against her every day after work. Bonus points if you waifu a skinny legendary NPC from the cards that kinda looks like a thin version of her, you can get her to lose weight after she's already addicted to your cock.

>>95835285 (OP)
I'm on fence sell it or keep it for occasional multiplayer playing in Archenemy, liked it much
anyway not buying new ones, stopped after Khans of Tarkir block

>>95835473
>present-day relevance
I hate when IRL politics crawl its ugly butt into my game

>>95871410
Just keep your cards unless you're desperate for money.

>>95870494
>gf who loves magic
Get a load of this guy

>Ideally date some fat girl from your job with the same schedule and move in with her and get her obsessed with your dick and then obsessed with MTG and you can play against her every day after work. Bonus points if you waifu a skinny legendary NPC from the cards that kinda looks like a thin version of her, you can get her to lose weight after she's already addicted to your cock.
Okay, this sounds oddly specific

>>95835610
The Seb shit was worse in my opinion. Really showed the true colours of a lot of people.

>>95835317
>My friends and I built a cube which we draft frequently
I wish my friends liked to draft. A couple of them love drafting like I do, a couple hate, and the rest don't really care. The couple that hate it really fuck things up. I wish I could stop playing commander and just put all my time into new cubes. Shit is so much fun, but they only are willing to draft cubes or boxes like once every month or so.
I've been talking about bringing one of my cubes to an lgs just so they see more play. If anyone has any experience with something like that, I'd love to hear it.

>>95835596
>everything mentioned is after everyone agrees magic turned to shit
Nice job forehead, really proving everyone wrong
I like original Theros for a lot of things, but it wasn't even the first time that a set was a "theme park" as opposed to a real exercise in world building. Before that was Innistrad, and there might be others I was forgetting.
Don't fucking respond with "O-Kagachi was part of the lore of the original Kamigawa", either. I don't care. He was referenced on one card and I never read the books so whether he was in them or not is irrelevant to me. Having a mythical serpent in your Asian setting is not jacking the entire shit like Theros and almost everything after it did. Is Teferi creatively bankrupt as well because someone else used a wizard before as well?

>>95835285 (OP)
I was a semi-pro riding the gravy PT train for years, my best time RTR -> BFZ but started to fall out of love after OGW. SOI made me really start re-considering the game and by KLD I decided I had enough. IIRC from skimming Hasbro's financials, BFZ was officially MTG's peak as far as player count. My advice is that if you're not having fun just stop playing and stop buying new stuff. Simple as

>>95880625
>IIRC from skimming Hasbro's financials, BFZ was officially MTG's peak as far as player count.
No fuckin way

>>95878528
Idk I just came up with it.
I had a gf last year and took her to the bloomburrow prerelease. We were on vacation together and looking at the spoilers together at our Airbnb after sightseeing. She loved the cute animals. I wish we hadn't broken up. Tbh I had a broken dick and didn't put a ring on it so I can't complain.

>>95835285 (OP)
It baffles me how anybody plays this garbage anymore. I assume it's all onions fueled manchildren and mouth breathers.
Ignoring the grotesque woke bullshit and the complete desolation of the game's soul with universes beyond, the game just had so much powercreep that it's not even fun anymore.

>>95880929
>had a broken dick
how did you fix it?

>>95880913
Because a booster box had a non-zero chance of containing a fetchland that whales would pay good money for. I still played Magic back then and got a box, pulled a Polluted Delta, and flipped it overnight for 3x what I paid for the box. Another guy at my LGS bought 6 boxes like they were lottery tickets and didn't pull a single fetch lmao.

I never ended up playing that Standard because holy fuck it was awful.

>>95881074
Didn't.
Had to use Viagra to fuck
Went like 4 or 5 minutes then went soft and didn't cum
I don't even blame her for leaving me
Trying to get it fixed now
Even if we only fucked like 20 times in 2 years I still had a nice time with her. Good memories.

>>95868215
Google a free human-vs-AI mtg PC game called Magarena.

>>95835285 (OP)
>when a game should be permanently shelved
Why? Just play old stuff with others who play old stuff.
>2023
Buddy the cutoff was the 2018 core set.

WotCs handling of The Lord of the Rings ensured I would buy another card nor play another game of magoc ever again. I have held to that ever since. Practically stopped the five other guys in my group cold turkey as well with that move.

>>95835285 (OP)
>2023
hahahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
get fucked kid
you gen z filth probably weren't even alive when MTG was good (or when the internet was good)

>>95887301
Just curious, what happened? I played back in the 90's and just got back into it because some new friends and my wife showed interest in it again, what's going on?

>>95835550
Its not about if the lore was actually good if you looked into it, its about the superficial impression that it might be good. The value of it was all the cards matching a world, not contradicting each other, so that they could spark your imagination and make you imagine and sense a deep, evocative world

It was never about whether the Innistrad plot was good, or if the Phyrexian invasion would make a good movie. It was about sparking your imagination to feel like all the cards were a window into a world that gave every impression of being interesting and rich. It doesn't matter if the lore such as it was actually measured up, it was all about that impression from just looking at the cards, and you're just insensitive to good artistry if you think they never accomplished that

Established IPs are only a disadvantage because there's no superficially gaining a positive impression of a world and broad narrative, because there is an extremely explicit and accessible franchise and story already, that you either like or don't, but which does not spark your imagination and make you feel like you're peering into a brand new mysterious world because you can actually just go and consoom the whole thing

You also jettison the cohesion of magic as a game, the cohesion and shared meaning between the cards by abandoning the plane framework. Innistrad meant something in relation to Phyrexia because they were basically different places in the same world-the multiverse was less a multiverse and more a set of semi-permeable barriers between locations in the same world. They weren't unrelated settings, they were one big segregated setting where certain characters could travel between regions and the barriers between regions could be removed at a larger scale to make interesting things happen. Final Fantasy is not a plane in the magic universe. Marvel is not a plane in that universe. These things are intrusions. They don't fit. They break the internal reality and atmosphere

>>95887251
Goes further back than that, but like that one saying goes: the best time to quit was yesterday. The second best time to quit is now.

>>95888211
>Goes further back than that
Only if you think the cutoff was back in the kamigawa days when the first border change happened.
Up until 2018 core, that border and the design philosophy of reserving design space and preventing creep was well in place, with the third border change of 2018, holographic yugioh ovals, etc.. that design philosophy went out the window and it wasn't long before MLP and Walking Dead were in the game.

>>95887893
Blacks in card art.

>>95887893
Not just this >>95891068 But making aragorn into a nigger so they could have an interracial wedding scene in card art.

>>95835582
Okay what part of the 7th edition lore did you love?

>>95836089
A meaningless distinction only the most delusional copers would even bother mentioning.

>>95887893
They racebent a bunch of lotr characters for no reason, some in such a way that it doesn't even make coherent sense anymore and people felt the need to defend it because they see any criticism of random racebaiting/bending as "hate"

It was just obnoxious, likely a marketing gimmick with bonus DEI score increase with no actual defensible reason for doing it at all. Really no reason in any way whatsoever. But because racists also see it for what it is and called it out, suddenly we have to defend it as objectively good and meaningful as well as lore consistent and justified because to do anything else would mean you're literally Hitler and you literally want to kill all black people.

>>95895395
>would mean you're literally Hitler and you literally want to kill all black people.
I love how every day this label becomes less and less of a problem for people to wear.

>>95895538
People got tired of their luke warm opinions getting them brow beaten into the ground so now they either don't care, or they leaned into what they were falsely accused of, because why not? IT's the "who radicalized you" meme in real time.

>>95895395
It is funny how a fantasy world based on Europe and European folklore would have black hobbits. It doesn't even make sense world building wise either the climate in the lotr series is very mountainous and temperate with winter being a thing. You're telling me there's a hot climate in lotr somewhere and hobbits just so happen to live there and also developed black features then traveled back up north just to have black hobbits in you diversity inclusion lotr fanfic???

>>95880294
Drafting can be a lot of work, and I get the reluctance on their part if that's your 'only' way to play. Try building a self-contained variant that doesn't need drafting beforehand, like Type 4 or Big Deck. They're great excuses to only run cool cards you like.

>>95895319
Snake opinion. You don't play the game.

>>95835285 (OP)
I played Magic: The Gathering in 2011-2014, when I was in high school. It was pretty fun then, but playing it as an adult was so ass I just immediately stopped.
I don't know why, but every MtG adult is just a disgusting, annoying loser. And you can't have fun without spending shitloads of money, and then they want you to start gambling packs, getting into collecting, etc. It's just too involved, too autistic, too annoying. All I want to do, is build a reasonable and fair deck for a reasonable and fair amount of money, play some fun duels, and trade some cards.
>"Um, you can do that if you sign up for this hyper-niche sub-community where everyone agrees to buy their decks on the internet for ONLY a grand total of less than 100-"
Yeah, it's just too fucking gay and annoying. It's just genuinely a game for teenagers, is the way I see it.

>>95835384
White Sox?

>>95837681
Well yeah, I would expect the average magic player to be between 16 and 35 too.

>>95896320
Cube is superior to draft.

>>95899400
Trvke
I'm gonna make a cube with horny anime girl art proxies