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Third thread asking, does anyone know the rules for if BA can dismount when the mech they're riding is shut down from overheating?

RAW seems to indicate not as the infantry carrier needs to expend MP to unload infantry and the BA section of hte rules just says "use infantry carrier rules", but it makes no sense that if the mech I'm holding onto is shut down I can't just turn off my mag clamps.

>>95839924
Why wouldn’t they?
Even shut down mechs get an activation (even if they spend it doing nothing), which is when a carried unit would dismount, and since that’s the dismounting unit’s action, then the fact that the carrier can’t do anything is irrelevant.

>>95839921
Looking good. Mind sharing the name of the paints you used for that shade of green and yellow?

>>95839895 (OP)
Has anyone ever run the introtech Stone Rhino that that one dude in Wolf's Dragoons rode?

>Assigned to Gordon Zed of the Zalman Bloodname, even downgraded with primitive Succession Wars era technology his Behemoth was a powerful 'Mech that caused mass panic and confusion whenever it took to the field with Wolf's Dragoons Alpha Regiment during the Third Succession War. Zed's Behemoth swapped the large pulse lasers for PPCs, the small pulse laser for standard model and the twin Gauss rifles for Autocannon/10s with four tons of reloads, the extra weight for this loadout and the heat sinks to make it viable is made possible by a reduction to 200-rated standard engine, greatly reducing its ground speed. Like many Dragoons, Zed and his Behemoth would fall during the brutal Battle of Misery, and though the Draconis Combine might have salvaged the 'Mech, they were never able to repair or reproduce it.

>>95839921
Very nice!

I’m trying to think of an alien mech concept that would both fit into BT and not be ridiculously over-powered. There’s the Muv-Luv concept of bio-titans (BETA) which are good because they are satisfying to mulch en-masse, but I feel that would be too much a rip-off. Same goes for the Tyranids. But if they’re just a different variation -of human tech then I might as well just make them a separate group of League ex-pats. aye split the difference and make it a far-flung Leage-era AI development project gone off the rails and over millennia has developed into a Cylon-like mechanical race of AI with high technology but low ingenuity to make up for it.

>>95839921
Do I spy a bottle of Power Yellow?

>>95839958
I was just experimenting so you will certainly be able to find a better and more efficient method.
Started with Striking Scoprion (Contrast) over Wraithbone primer, then a wash with TAP Green Tone. I the dry rushed with Green Stuff World (GSW) Camouflage Green (1800) which is a kind of yellowish brown green and then again with GSW Flubber Green (1820) which is a very bright yellow green. I went through all of that because the TAP Green Tone really made the Striking Scorpion too blue for what I wanted.
Then the yellow was successive layers of GSW Foxhide Brown (1830), which is something like Citadel’s Mournfang Brown but lighter and redder, then a soft peach called GSW Go Mango (1782), and finally Vallejo Flat Yellow. I’m not a fan of that Vallejo Flat Yellow — there must be a better Yellow on the market in 2025!

>>95839950
The problem is that per RAW, an infantry carrier needs to spend 1 MP to dismount its infantry. A shut down mech has an activation, but no MP to spend.

Nevermind, I'm an idiot and found the clause that I somehow missed on game night.

>>95840021
Low tier Starsiege/Cyberstorm HERCs would work. Once you get into the top end bullshit like quantum disruption cannons and shit, it becomes unfair, but at lower tech it's all just lasers and autocannons and missiles.

>>95840086
It says right there, if you have 0 MP to spend, you can still dismount a unit. Is being immobile not considered a state where you have 0 MP?

>>95839996
Not in a game, but they released the RS for it a few years ago, IIRC.

So anons, if you could any specific mech themed forcepacks as in packs that are exclusively one mech but different variants that are visually distinct enough from one another what would you do?

Omnis would be a no brainer.

I think the Locust would work with LCT-1E, 1M, 1S and maybe 3M all in one box.

Hunchback would be next with something like the HBK-4H, 4J, 4P and the 4SP. I kind of want to find a way to fit the 4N in there but think rather have the above 4.

Thunderbolts with the TDR-5D, 5SE, 5SS and 9S seem like be a nice pack.

Catapult could work with a CPLT-A1, C4, K2 and C3

Wasps could also fit with the WSP-1L, 1K, 1D and 1W

Wolverine perhaps with the WVR-6K, 6M and the 7K and 7M

Atlas would be a stretch with maybe something like the AS7-RS, A, K, and maybe the S2 or S3?

>>95840066
>there must be a better Yellow on the market in 2025!
>>95840044
It's the best yellow paint ever made.

>>95839996
Always been tempted to run it but never found a good scenario for it. Basically its a far more capable Annihilator when it boils down to it.

>>95840021
> I’m trying to think of an alien mech concept that would both fit into BT and not be ridiculously over-powered.
Loving this idea, but the key to having alien tech, which is conventional technology, feel alien is going to be to incorporate unconventional thinking to the design, or some other bit(s) of strangeness to them.

I should ask first, are these advanced aliens using their own mech designs? Or are they primitive aliens that, through exposure, have learned how to make mechs and have constructed their own imitations?

If advanced, then I recommend looking through the game’s vanilla, advanced, and optional mechanics for ideas. Basically by giving alien mechs ways to utilize, imitate, or manipulate these mechanics, they can feel strange and even alien without having to break and/or redesign the whole goddamn Battletech system. A great example are the Martian Tripods from the 1953 War of the Worlds movie. The Martian war machines were already just 3-legged mechs (which alone would be pretty alien), but in that film they changed how the mechs worked so that instead of walking on mechanical legs, the tripods would walk on projected electromagnetic beams. So the result was something that looked like it was floating, but wasn’t. This could be translated to game mechanics as having perpetual cover: so the mech still acts like it has legs, it still walks, runs, needs jump jets to jump, and in certain terrain requires piloting checks to keep from falling just like it has legs, but it can’t be targeted by kicks and leg attacks, and when shot at, it’s always treated as though it has cover (+1 to hit and hits to the legs deal no damage) because of its smaller profile and the fact that it’s legs are intangible and thus can’t be damaged. Drawback being that nothing can be equipped to the legs for the same reason

Just a thought

>>95840192
maybe if that mechanic still feels too broken, maybe also have it that the mech is always at risk of skidding when it runs as if it’s perpetually standing on pavement due to the weird inertia mechanics that come from balancing on top of magnetic fields rather than mechanical legs.

>>95840003
thank you! picking out the panels took forever but I think it was worth it
>>95840159
what makes it great?

>>95840113
Yes, I posted the rule in question because I somehow missed it while looking things up on game night when it happened.

>>95840216
Dude its understandable, rules for how battle armor interacts with other units gets confusing quickly

>>95840192
Also, you could do something with energy shields, might be that when hit with physical weapons (missiles, rockets, AC shells, MG bullets, etc…) there’s a certain amount of automatic damage reduction before it ever hits the armor (as the shields either eliminate some of the incoming objects or reduce their momentum), but directed energy weapons (like lasers) are unaffected (since the energy shield is transparent/invisible it obviously isn’t affecting photons or their trajectory)

>>95840216
Yeah, I see now - saw the part where you had initially asked the question and the rules screenshot, but missed the part where you said that you’d found the answer in said screenshot. I’m just retarded, nbd.

>>95840216
Can’t say I blame you, I use infantry and BA all the time and still forget what happens if they try to shoot at a mech in the same hex as they are. I eventually just pinned the rules to my local Battletech discord just so I don’t forget again.

It’s always treated as an attack against the front armor at range 1, if you were curious. (TW, pg. 106, 214, 218)

>>95840316
Do you know if a mech can kick battle armor in the same hex and what is the modifier for that?

>>95840353
For BA specifically, I don’t remember. But I know for conventional infantry you HAVE to be in the same hex as them to even attempt to kick (stomp really) them. But it’s absolutely not worth it because kicks against conventional infantry do 1/10 normal damage and it exposes you to leg and swarm attacks.

Aside from basing, would you do anything more with these guys?

>>95840457
I think basing is a weird warhammer-ism and it bothers me when the base doesn't match the map.

>>95840539
I just use a very little bit of grit and dry rushed to make the bases kind of compliment the mini but also not draw attention

>>95840148
Shadow Hawk. We have a ton of those with variant weapons. 2H is the default and comes in the base box so we'll exclude that. 2D has a bunch of extra small gubbins, an easy addition. 2Ht has a giant pile of streak 2s in the RT and the big gun is now a LL, another easy addition. 5M has an ultra and an LRM20, a nice break from the norm, and finally the 5R with it's 5 Thunderbolt 5 launchers, which should be ginormous missiles and a fun sculpt.

Cicada: 3C has the PPC and the knee guns, 3G has a bunch of JJ and an ERLL in the other torso, and a beagle probe, although I don't know if those ever get a distinct modelling gubbin. 3M has the ultra 5 in the LT, and the 3P has an HPPC and a pile of ERMLs.

I was going to suggest the PHawk, but the variants from that are almost all the same when it comes to modelling purposes, the only big variant being that some of them like the 3M have a SECOND big gun in the other arm. Similar issue with the Griffin, Lancelot, Trebuchet and Crusader (except the LPPC version), and Osts.

Quickdraw: 5A, 8K, 9M, and 8X because goddamnit the 8X is fucking hilarious.

>>95840457
I see a few places where it could use some touchups to fix where the paint escaped the lines, but other than that it's fine.

>>95840162
Why "far more capable"? Both are 2/3 behemoths that through out 4x10pts per turn.

>>95840560
>>95840539

I like the clear bases that you get from some of the 3rd party sellers for that very reason, but am too lazy to re-base my CGL minis.

>>95840586
It is a 2/3/2 mover with 18 tons of armor. Its far more capable than your standard Annihilator.

>>95840021
I'm not going to lie, aliens do not belong in Battletech. Maybe you could do your own AU though.

>warning for complaining about Bottom
Fucks sake jannies, we are allowed to bitch about ongoing trolls.

>>95840021
Kek, no. With BT, you're capping out that Yoko Tsuno, where the local aliens had way too many extremely rugged digitized though engrams running their many parallel million-year species survival programs they set up when their local sun did an oopsie.
None of them's evolving because they're RAMs, but they all devolved in their own funny ways.

>>95840985
*ROMs.

>>95840560
That Flea looks a little repulsed by the Firefly.

>>95841134
photoshop an anime sweat bead along the cockpit

>>95840914
This is when we find out Bottom is the personal rentboy of the jannies.

>>95841317
He wouldn't be able to resist bragging about it if that were the case. I remember him bragging about some chaser taking him out to dinner and acting like the total bill being almost $100 was impressive. But I guess going out to eat is a big deal for him since he's not invited to family dinners anymore after he assaulted his sister.

>>95841317
Nonsense. Even the jannies could pull better rentboys than Bottom.

>>95841379
That was manic, not bottom

Is there any opinion on PC Clans?

>>95841439
Manic tried to kill his Mother. Bottom assaulted his sister at a family dinner.

If they didn't explode HVACs could be an interesting niche tool, the smoke generation and range could be fodder for a situational tactic, perhaps being slapped on by omnimechs for a specific operation. I think sometimes the downsides of weird tech are a bit too over the top, you can make something sub-optimal without killing its utility completely.

>>95841451
Like, assault assault, or rape? I'm guessing former due to him being a fag, but you never know...

>>95841463
Punched her in the face.

>>95841466
>bottom is the only /btg/ user that knows how to control a woman
Weird

>>95841445
Some meme potential and an interesting attempt at working with the material they got but just your average PGI slop at end of the day. They still don't know how to make missions outside of throwing countless waves of enemies at you in a shooting gallery even if that unintentionally becomes lore accurate.

There is a surprising amount of Aerotech assets they added to the game and DLC from fighters, small craft, warships and even some stations. Be nice to have those 3D assets to print models for.

>>95841477
When you're 6ft 230lbs I guess you can throw your weight around effectively. Although we don't know if he actually won the fight, it seems like he was ejected from the premise.

>>95841453
Joke is, we can already build cannons with rail gun performance. We don't because they run through barrels faster than the Paris Cannon, so the solution here would've been for the HVAC to just suffer a crit that doesn't spill over.
The smoke is also useless in open terrain. It fills the hex behind you 2 elevations above your unit, so only a VTOL could enjoy the free cover.

Most HVACs also don't even have gauss rifle ranges.

>>95841477
By having a catty slapfight? lol, no.

You people are way too obsessed with that guy(?)

>>95841707
They can't resist the siren song of the femboy thighs.

>>95841798
Unfortunately we've seen enough pictures to know bottom doesn't have 'femboy' thighs. Lardman thighs more like.

So my understanding is that the Hatamoto-chi, jenner, panther, and grand dragon are mechs that are highly associated with the Draconis Combine, despite the ubiquitousness of some like the Jenner. Are there any other mechs that generally are associated with the Draconis Combine? even if they frequently show up elsewhere?

>>95841200
Like this?

>>95842035
Any mech with a japanese name in later eras. Wolf Trap. Quickdraw and Charger to an extent.

>>95842035
The Hunchback is often seen as a Drac mech, but is still common enough that no one will bat an eye regardless of what force is fielding it, same with the Catapult.
The Charger is definitely Drac coded.

>>95842035
Jenners aren't ubiquitous at all, they are made exclusively by the combine. Other people have them because of salvage and the combine attacking everyone at one point or another.

>>95842078
Aren't Hunchbacks also made by the birds and lyrans?

>>95842078
I thought the catapult was more of a cappie mech except for the K variants which are the drac ones.

>>95842141
Hunchies are ubiquitous. Everyone has them.

>>95842141
Under license.
The Hunchback is a Nissan, if that tells you anything.

>>95842181
The Lyrans definitely didn't buy a license from either the FWL or the Combine.

>>95840457
>>95840539
I kinda like the look Anon has going, like their on marble plinth.

>>95841451
>tried to kill his Mother
It was an accident, the exact sort of accident I was afraid was going to happen!

>>95842040
>"It was like she was looking at garbage..."

>>95842141
They are later yeah, but the original producers were in the Combine, and is still really popular there.
>>95842166
The K series are all Drac variants yeah, but the Combine also has one of the only two factories known. The other one is in the CapCon, and the Dracs and Cappies are known to have the most Catapults in general.
The Fedsuns also have a sizeable amount of Catapults explicitly because they raid the CapCon for them.

>>95842224
The world that builds them for the Lyrans was part of the Rim Worlds Republic when it began to make Hunchbacks.

>>95841534
230lbs of fat, man posts his body here enough to know there's no muscle on it.
Aaannnnyyyyywayyyyy, back on topic, finally snagged ne an unseen ostscout, it should be here soon. Things are rare as civilisation in Scotland over here.

What are some sets of Mechs that all just go together?

>>95842262
Where is the Jaggermech?!

>>95842099
>made exclusively by the combine. Other people have them
yes, anon said they were ubiquitous already.

>>95842262
The Aries and Ravager could probably fit in there too

>>95842281
Would you describe the M1 Abrams as ubiquitous because there are countries other than the US that have some? Or would you maybe reserve that term for something like the t-72?

>>95842262
Hey now! I will not abide this Flashman slander. It is not a trashcan! It is clearly a lightbulb!

>>95842262
>>95842436

>>95842355
I mean… the T-72 IS pretty ubiquitous at this point, just about every tin-pot dictator has a least a battalion’s worth floating about somewhere in their TO&E

>>95842355
Yes.
Ubiquitous means it's all over the lace.
It has nothing to do with WHY that is so, just THAT it is so.
After centuries of constant warfare where everyone has fought everyone, everyone has everyone elses toys.
Get over it.

>>95842436
Wait! One of those was a Flashman!?
Good god the CGL redesigns were such a goddamn necessary improvement.

I swear to you, without those redesigns I just about guarantee that I would’ve turned my nose up at Battletech as a whole.

>>95842746

>>95842746
>Defends one of the worst redesigns.
Looks like Modok instead of a barrel now.

>>95842746
You're forgetting that the PGI redesigns would still be here for printing even if CGL had never been a thing.

>>95842760
Not to me, NOW it looks like some kind of mech. Before it looked like a helmet with tiny arms and legs sprouting out of it.

Fuck! The old design looks more like MODOC at a renaissance fair than the new design.

>>95842737
Here's a list of Shadowhawk manufactures next to a list of Jenner manufactures. What do you notice about these two lists? Does anything jump out at you to explain why the Shadowhawk has the Ubiquitous quirk and the Jenner does not?

>>95842827
Manufacturing location doesn't fucking matter.
Brand new factory stock mechs and their variants are the EXCEPTION.
Most mechs are battlefield salvage that has been repaired with sare arts from a dozen other mechs and is now a pseudo-frankenmech mish mash that is anything but standard.

>>95842861
Those factories have been manufacturing for the past few centuries. Those numbers add up.

>>95842827
NTA, but the only thing you need to look at to explain why the SHD's got the Ubiquitous traint and the JR7 doesn't, is BMM pages 92 and 94.

>>95842879
And battlefield salvage has been the primary means of mech acquisition for that entire time.

>>95842861
>>95842908

In the era you are talking about the Jenner is out of production but the shadowhawk is not. This contributes to there being more shadowhawks that are more widely spread.

>>95841498
>pc
No I mean OC Clans, like making up new Clans.

>>95842916
>more ubiquitous
Irrelevant.

There's something very sad about saying wrong things on the internet for attention.

Look at the Longbow, Sentry, Bandersnatch and Wraith. Your conversation is stupid.

>>95842923
>>95842920
Yes this is irrelevant, because the original post of >>95842035 isn’t asking what’s exclusive or what’s ubiquitous, he’s asking what mechs are generally associated with the Combine, regardless of their actual availability.

>>95842754
>low
The Crab, King Crab, Centurion, Assassin, Atlas, Marauder, Wolverine, Battlemaster, Timberwolf, Cataphract, Jagermech, got massive upgrades from PGI.

>>95842949
Hunchback or Dervish for the other way around.

Look at Marauder. LOOK AT IT. This design radiates pure predatory design, like a fucking AH64 fucked a JagPhanther and that baby was drafted to conquer humanity and enjoyed fighting more than their superiors intended and was thrown into a room full of submissive and breedable Catapults and those babies were the steeds of the greatest Mary Sues in setting. The OG looks like a tranny nerd and the CGL looks like a HD tranny nerd.

>>95843121
Buddy, when that's just a horrid combination of the Project Phoenix model and Shimmy's old Project Phoenix model, it has nothing of the classic Marauder soul.

>>95843187
That guy is a lunatic but the "classic" marauder is very obviously from a different franchise.

>>95843233
So...?

>>95843233
When the OG Unseen were the only mechs in the franchise for the first couple of years, that really doesn't make any sense. Every era of battletech has had radically different design ethos, anyway.

>>95843187
>soul
>literal copypaste from trannime
You got put into lockers as a child didn't you?

>>95843269
Yes, as the original, that is the soul of the design. It's still hilarious you over there worshiping a phoenix design hated by the majority of the fanbase since 2003 then going "Amiright guis?"

You get dropped on your head as a child?

Look at this Hornet.
No particular reason, it just felt appropriate.

>>95843269
Eat a fucking bullet you piece of contrarian shit.

>>95843293
They ate my Hornet! I hope it gives them indigestion.

>>95843293
Man, that null signature system really works

>>95843260
That's a fun infographic, but it's not particularly true, since at the very least, the Yeoman is from 3060, which had its fair share of trashcan barrels.

>>95843289
>>95843301
>gets put into a locker
Seethe. You lost.

>>95843260
The basic game rules set out how durable the mechs are, the fiction sets the tone of the setting, and neither match the glaug's spindly little tentacle arms .

>>95843314
>which had its fair share of trashcan barrels.
You realize the boogaloo reference there, right?

>>95843301
>contrarian
When your franchise is so soulless it gets sued for copyright infringement MULTIPLE TIMES it really doesn't. When major characters are outright ripped from other intellectual works you have zero soul to speak of.

>>95843334
Sued by which entity who had the right to sue over it, exactly?

>>95843187
The one thing that the PGI games showed us was that interesting mech designs are rarely viable in 3D game space. Reading the early briefs and comparing them to the more optimized hitbox garbage of the later designs is so telling.
Between that and the obvious skirting of HG litigation, Flying Debris never had a chance.

>>95843302
I've always like this planes and angles redesign.

>>95843367
>whaaaa mechs look the same at a distance
>looks at virtually every weapon system in existence
Ummmmmmmmmm

>>95843407
Wow, what's it like to go on the internet and just fuckin lie like that?

If you're ever out of work anon, you could probably get a good job as a rug.

>>95843407
There was never any legal action from Lucasfilm. FASA changed the name off Battledroids in hopes of getting the Star Wars license.

>>95843324
Repeating something in literally the next publication isn't "boogaloo", it's consistency.

>>95843407
>Harmony Gold had full licensing rights to those designs and (((Weismen))) got his pp slapped by the court after being a greedy kike.

This has to be full-on trolling.

For those of you fortunate enough not to know, what happened was that FASA avoided legislation for a while, and then when the case finally got to court Harmony Gold was bitchslapped hard by the judge, but FASA pussied out and they came to a settlement with an NDA.

>>95843478
"The boogaloo" is a brainpoisoned way to talk about a second american civil war. Hence the FedCom civil war being referred to as a boogaloo.

>>95842040
haha I can hear the classic anime “uh!” exclamation noise just looking at this

>>95843439
>>95843471
>>95843491
>nooooo we totally didn't stop using those designs at the goodness of our hearts!
Newfags. Look up Team Banzai, Fighting Urkhai, and more. I won't spoil the rest, but Battletech is near 40k on the amount of shit they outright stole.

What is the best Marion Hegemony paint scheme in your opinion?
Post some cool Marian mechs?

>>95843513
They stopped using the designs because they bitched out and took a settlement. The moment someone stood up to Harmony Gold, it came out that they were lying out their ass about what the license gives them and they have no claims to the designs whatsoever.

>>95843527
>they settled
Yeah because they had no case, if Harmony Gold wanted they could have taken EVERYTHING about those designs, not just the art.

>>95842861
That's pure headcanon.

>>95843551
Pretty big if true. You wouldn't happen to have receipts for your wildly unsubstantiated and generally unlikely theory?

>>95842861
The fuck are you talking about, if no new examples or parts are manufactured then no amount of "salvage" can keep your equipment in working order.

>>95843500
Double meaning. It originally comes from Dancing 2: Electric Boogaloo. So it both means the second set of trashcan barrels and the Fedcom Civil War.

>>95843559
Besides the last 30 fucking years?

>>95843564
HG's case was dismissed with prejudice in court.

>>95843573
PGI will forever be heroes to the franchise for getting that. Doesn't matter everything else they fucked up, they got HG to fuckoff forever.

>>95842861
You replace them with equivalent spare parts. You might be replacing a Delta Dart with a Holly 10, and your techs might curse you for doing so while they figure out how to make the feed lines reach all the way around to match, but it's still an LRM-10 at the end of the day.

>>95843573
>dismissed
>after they lost the rights
Gee I fucking wonder.

>>95843590
>after
Time is linear my good man. The order in which things happened is not up for interpretation.

>>95843596
>lol the last 30 years didn't happen ok!?
Biology and Time are undeniable tranny.

>>95843589
Actually you can swap them with whatever you want, under the restrictions placed by the rules. They'll even tell you how long it takes and how much it'll cost to refit.

>>95843607
Harmony Gold license the show only. They believed they had licensed everything, but when someone actually stood up to them in court, they found out that they hadn't gotten everything.
They also never lost the rights to the show, when the license was up, they renewed it.

>>95843618
You can, but most people don't. It triggers quality loss and may or may not induce negative quirks depending on the whims of the GM if you fuck up the rolls.

>>95843367
This is almost entirely because they went for pinpoint aiming instead of lock boxes or trailing sights.
Turns out if you look at the battletech hit chart and say "yeah you should be able to just click exactly on the part you want to hit" it fucks up the game.

Also homogenizing the art style and then having to undo your own homogenizing is pretty funny. Maybe they should've just kept some of the unusual shapes and proportions they had in the first place.

Also Harmony Gold's founder went to spaghetti prison for laundering money for the Sicilian mafia, so that's fun.

>>95843367
>impliment
>componants (twice)
pain

>>95843618
>the plug and play nature
That's really the only explanation that makes sense, particularly in the 1980's which the game originated in, a 7.62x51mm round from Germany or the UK would feed just fine from a M60 or MG3, a AIM7 from any NATO stockpile will interface seamlessly with any NATO aircraft. Besides the Star League and the resulting MIC fuckery would make it a selling point in the ease of integration with resulting systems, like real life.

>>95843635
>the show
>which features the artwork
Bruh.
>>95843666
>someone who launders money for companies gets tagged for laundering money for criminals
Imagine my shock.

>>95843692
Yes, the show. As in the literal animation frames. Not the designs in it. They were well within their rights to edit and broadcast the animation. They were not in their rights to sue anyone for any reason except broadcasting the animations.

>>95843711
Anon, quit biting the bait. Please.

>>95843717
Fuck you, bait is delicious.

>>95843711
>>95843717
>completely ignores the last 30 years
Yes. Harmony Gold had those rights. HAD. They lost them and now CGI has the rights to copypaste their art, which again is a bad look for a company trying to build their own brand. Battletech should be trying to distance themselves as much as possible from the anime influence for their designs, they truly excell when they create their own artwork and lore.

>>95843742
>they truly excell when they create their own artwork and lore
Now that's some stank ass bait.
But no, HG have had remarkably stable rights. They still have all the rights they ever had. They were lucky that FASA were legal cowards.

>>95843641
So you can and if you're being reasonable and your dm is being reasonable it's perfectly fine to do, and it does happen.
>>95843742
>distance themselves as much as possible from the anime influence
They're gonna get rid of the mecha or what?

>>95843766
Yes, but we know most people do not. When a unit doesn't match a stock variant, it's called out as customized. Many named characters pilot completely stock units, some even salvaged. The Vindicator is considered a bad unit to have if you don't have permission to buy spare parts directly from the manufacturer, because it's not compatible with parts from any other source. If everyone was just customizing it anyway, that wouldn't matter since they'd rip out all the proprietary shit.

>>95843754
>>95843766
>dumbniggers
Take a look at the very face of the brand, the Atlas, and the former; the Timberwolf. Both of these are OG art and are legitimately amazing, the removal of weebshit restrains been a blessing to Battletech. The cornucopia of original art for mechs should be celebrated and embraced, let the "unseen" die in obscurity and shame.

>>95843811
>timberwolf
Nobody tell him.

Do you guys think this pattern will work well for a DCMS force?

Was trying to base the color combo off old O-Yoroi armor. Since DC are weebs and all.

>>95843826
6th Benjamin Regulars.

camospecs.com bro

>>95843823
>if it-
The Catapult is a original design. Just adding Galug arms dosen't mean you stole the design from the original creators if that was the case the Rakshasa would equal the Timberwolf in capability.

>>95843842
I don’t see the resemblance.

>>95843823
Tell him what? That's it's not unseen, because it isn't? That it isn't the face of the brand? There's a pretty strong case that it is. It's on the front of TRO 3050, it's on the cover of MechWarrior 2, arguably the most successful MechWarrior game at least among older generations, as well as MechWarrior 5: Clans, it was the mech on the 20th anniversary cover, and it is the litteral symbol of the Clan Invasion. The Warhammer was first, but the Mad Cat and Atlas did the best.

This post reeks of contrarian oldheadism where you have to desperately cling to your little nuggets of lore to lord it over the newfags.

>>95843871
Because you're using the fanfic fake site. Camospecs is the official and correct one.

>>95843871
>This guy uses Unit Color Compendium!

>>95843860
>>95843874
You really want to know, huh?

>>95843648
I honestly feel like MWO could have avoided heaps of the problems that they kept trying and failing to solve if they just had a probability circle for aiming, akin to world of tanks, rather than the perfect pinpoint aiming they went with.

>>95843897
enlighten this poor misbegotten ignoramus oh eldest of fags.

>>95843907
No.

>>95843874
I honestly think the madcat being the face of the brand is really driven home by the fact that they chose it as the 5" sculpt with the kickstarter.

>>95843925
I think it's funny the whole argument is ignoring the 15 fucking years the Phoenix Battlemaster was the face of the brand. Don't they still call the demo fucks and mods Battlemasters?

>>95843554
>>95843560
Apparently neither of you have ever actually read any battletech lore, you sound like your only exposure has been listening to retards ITT spouting idiot opinions

>>95843909
Then get lost. 1991 BT player and the Catapult was never unseen.

>>95842262
Wasp, Stinger, Pheonix Hawk.Crusader (Macross)
Centurion, Victor. (big arm cannon)
Rifleman, Warhammer. (Same legs)
Griffin, Battlemaster (Bubble Cockpit)
Locust, Jenner, Cicada, Catapult, Stalker (Pod walker)
Scorpion, Goliath (Dougram Walker)
All the Osts.

>>95843954
>completely ignores real life and in universe lore
You fucking moron.

>>95843961
>in universe lore
Shut the fuck up, you haven't read any of it and it's painfully obvious.

>>95843933
What the official mech of the brand was =/= the face of the brand. The PP Battlemaster might have been what was slapped on the logo, but most people who aren't BT players probably won't know or recognized a Battlemaster or even a Warhammer. But there's a good chance they'll recognize an Atlas or MadCat because those mechs have "broken containment" and are recognized by, if not normies, than people who aren't in the BT sphere proper.

>>95843957
He's calling you a tranny faggot because nobody other than a select few furries used timberwolf over madcat until Sarna changed their policy to be Clan Name (IS Name) back in 2013.

The official merch before all that, including IWM after that, always used Madcat. It was even a lore bit that clanners basically stopped using clan names and switched over to the IS designations in the 3060's. Falcons literally called their Summoners "Thors" after that. It's only in ilClan that CGL has forgotten that and tried to roll it back, possibly intentionally to try and reassert clan dominance culturally.

>>95843972
Warhammer had all the cred until 1995. Atlas has always been second place. Madcat became king after 1996.

>>95843970
The idea that no one has a new mech and it's all centuries old shit that's been salvaged at least twice went away like a year after the setting was launched.

>>95843871
UnitColorCompendium aren't official designs, they're fan renditions and so the colors and patterns can be off from what the correct scheme is. Camospecs is the official canon artworks and where you should look to verify. That is not to say UCC is worthless, it is MUCH better formatted to browse and find something you like- just make sure to cross check it with camo specs to see how far off it is. Seriously I don't understand why Camospecs layout is still such ass how hard is it to do a proper gallery for faction/unit/mech.

>>95843991
To be fair, even with retcons, it's a 1% replacement rate with new manufacturing per year in 3025.

>>95842746
Some are good, some are just chunky, some are terrible. Have you seen what they did to the Enforcer? Why is the head squashed down into the torso? It looks like it has been thumped by an Atlas.

Also, why the massive scale creep? Are they going the Games Workshop Primaris 'Bigger is Better!' route? At least most of the old designs fitted into a single hex base.

>>95843970
>reeeeeeeee
Yeah the fact that mech factories even exist at all at 3000 completely debunk your argument, sleep mad bitch.

>>95843999
>why the massive scale creep? Are they going the Games Workshop Primaris 'Bigger is Better!' route?
Scale creep means people feel a need to replace their collections when their minis look mini beside someone elses minis.

>>95843974
I always used the clan names because MW2 was my exposure to everything. Nowadays I go by whatever the cooler name is.

>>95843974
>the Clans used inner sphere designations
>even in their targeting computers and intelligence reports
I...

>>95844004
Tell me you're a CGL newfag without telling me.

I think the original flashbulb SUCKS

>>95844022
You are a (probably fake) grog who is pretending to have only read the very first material ever produced.

>>95844017
>brigador
I truly want to see a crossover, my SNES childhood demands it.

>>95844031
Even the fairly recent marauder anthology sticks to that canon, you dumb fucking bitch.

>>95843999
>Also, why the massive scale creep?

Just a problem industry-wide really. Remember 25mm true DnD vs 28mm Heroic vs the fucking 32mm things are creeping to now?

Everything has followed that path. Even FASA to IWM did that. Truthfully, N-scale is the perfect mech scale for painting. It just fucking sucks space-wise for hexes. Anyway, have an OG super limited MW3 Museum Scale Mad vs. the new plastic one.

>>95844022
>noooooo every mech ever produced was salvage even though factories producing parts were still around reeeeeee
No. Even the first edition made it clear that wasn't the case or else all combat damage would be permanent.

>>95843805
The game says you can and the lore says you can. So, it's a yes, it takes little effort to swap out parts with similar parts and you can do it if you want to.
Maybe the vindicator is just the apple of mechs and they didn't have to do all that.
>>95843811
All mecha franchises are a little bit anime. Battletech wouldn't exist without gundam.

Your favorite mechs were made because once upon a time a guy saw a design from an anime and said "damn, that looks real cool.

>>95844020
Yep. Why do you think the Mad Cat III or Vulture IV had no IS designations? Cauldron Born even happened right after the thing's main first battle at Luthien. Nobody called it the Epic Faguar.

>>95844020
>Dracs don't still call the Mauler the Daijobu.
Everything is not going to be okay.

>>95844038
>all marauders were once TH property
>therefore all had FF armor by default
>eventually salvage forced the users to substitute inferior armor
>most marauders have a "patchwork" appearance because of this
Reading is hard.

>>95844059
>designs made outright for sale to the IS
>uses IS designation

>>95844149
Read the DA novels, dude, especially the Falcon Invasion of Skye. Plus, those designs you mention still get found in clan forces. What do you think they get called there?

>>95844066
>not the linesman
Hmmmmmm.

>>95844161
Those designs are outright shunned by the Clans.
>DA books
REALLY

>>95844170
You claimed it was only in ilClan that they started being called the Clan designations by CGL. That was false, as proven by the Dark Age novels WizKids published.

>>95844170
Novels are the first tier of canon bro.

>Takashi didn't die in his sleep.
>Waterly didn't retire to a life of seclusion.
>Stone totally caused the Blackout.
>Sunny isn't dead.

etc. Makes even more sense when that time was the genesis of so many of these designs.

>>95844170
>outright shunned by the Clans.

>>95844182
>retcons don't matter
>and the Clans using IS terms for their own equipment
This is the equivalent of Russians calling their equivalent after the NATO callsigns. You would have a better chance of them returning to believing contractions are completely acceptable and having natural children is preferred.

>>95844185
>novels
>not the source books
Uhhhhhhhhhh
>>95844210
>Mad Dog IV
>only organization that uses that is the Clans
Uhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>95844129
Does that anthology really say that all the 3Rs used to be 1 and 2Rs? There are a bunch of 3R factories in the first wave of house books.

>>95844220
Do you think that perhaps the Clans using the designations in the 3060s could be a brief, temporary thing rather than a permanent change for all time? Or is that incomprehensible to you.

Lol. Lmao even.

>>95844234
>Mad Dog IV
CGL retcon just like the Hel instead of Loki II.

>>95844248
It was called the Mad Dog in Dark Age, so that's WizKids canon, not a CGL retcon. Please try to keep up.

>>95844257
>It was called the Mad Dog in Dark Age

Post source. All I saw was Vulture all the way up to Bonfire of Worlds. The minis also all said either Vulture III or Vulture IV on the base.

>>95844269
I don't need to post the source, I was there, check it yourself.

>new fags completely disregarding lore for their own fanfiction
For fucks sake.

>>95844234
>>novels
>>not the source books
>Uhhhhhhhhhh

That is literally how it goes. Look at any dev post in the last 30 years. SB's are tier-2. Where do you think the ancient meme of "Art is
the lowest form of canon." comes from?

>>95844288
No. Flat out. If that was the case Far Country would be canon.

>>95844278
I was there too, and I'm calling you on your shit. Remember how there weren't even secondline clan names for most later omnis? Hell, the Shadow Cat STILL doesn't have one and only one bitch screaming for 2 years got the Cauldron Born one.

>>95844299
Far Country is canon and you not liking it doesn't change that. Disregarding canon you don't like because you don't like it is tranny behavior.

>>95844299
Far Country is canon. Always has been. What is wrong with you? The 5 law breach is no SPACEFARING aliens.

>>95843551
Right. That's why the judge told Harmony Gold they didn't have a leg to stand on and HG lost fucking everything the moment someone stood up to them.

FASA was probably afraid of Harmony Gold's mob ties (no, really).

I've never actually seen any evidence of the Clanners abandoning their names for IS ones in the 3060s. Anyone got some?

>>95844329
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Mongrel_(Grendel)

>>95844335
The sarna article on the grendel doesn't say anything about whether clanners used the spheroid name, just that it got a codename like pretty much every other invasion mech

>>95844307
>>95844311
>novels written decades apart from authors that didn't know shit about the franchise are more canon than the very rulebooks
Are you fucking serious.

>>95844367
Yes. Why would rulebooks or sourcebooks be higher tier than novels?

>>95844366
>The 'Mech entered full production after a slight physical remodel the following year and was rechristened the Grendel after the code name given to it by Com Guard troops who faced it.[2][4][7][8]

Can you read?

>>95844367
Yes. It's literally always been that way.

>>95844329
Anon pulled it out of bottoms bottom.

There is no going back for me. I have a Star of protomechs. There will only be suffering for everyone involved.

>>95844376
Apparently not.

Anyway, that's a mech introduced after the invasion, but we were talking about pre-invasion mechs. Do we have any examples of clanners using the inner sphere names for the Kit Fox or another omni of that generation?

>>95844390
>>95844329

It's literally all this way. Read some Twilight or DA novels.

>>95844411
Ryoken II is a post-invasion design that lifted the IS designation, but do we have any examples of clanners calling the Stormcrow the Ryoken?

>>95844329
Mechs like the Mad Cat Mk 2, Ryoken 2, and Vulture Mk 3 are fairly compelling. Sure the Mad Cats were designed by the Foxes for sale to IS factions, but the Ryoken 2 and Vulture 3 were native projects intended for internal use.

>>95844367
Yes. The only canon higher than novels is word of god from the line dev.
Word of god
Novels
Sourcebook fluff
Rules
Art

Powergap

Apocryphal content from vidya or other third parties. Some of this used to be considered canon.

>>95844374
>>95844387
>the very rules of the setting are secondary to outside fiction of the setting
Really.

>>95844420
There's calling a Nova a Black Hawk in the same novel for the dude that goes to Solaris.

>>95844245
What story is this?

>>95844424
Correct. Narration by a third person omniscient novel narrator is higher canon than sourcebooks.

>>95844420
Another example. Again, the DA is full of this, as well as 3060's+ material until CGL started being retarded for ilClan.

>>95844424
Sourcebooks are usually written from an in-universe character. That character, whoever they may be at the time, may be misinformed or deceptive. The narration of novels is held as objective truth.

>>95843999
>why the massive scale creep? Are they going the Games Workshop Primaris 'Bigger is Better
Bigger IS always better, needledick.

>>95844423
Uh no.
>wog
>rulebooks/fluff
>novels
>art
It's flat out impossible to believe that novels, ones with outright errors and retcons trump the very rules you play the game by.

>>95844433
The personal events still rank higher. Us watching Takeshi gut himself after the duel with Wolf supercedes sourcebook stuff even if it's not in 3rd persion. The 3rd person omniescent only trumps when it beats conflicting character perspectives in the novels.

>>95844450
You are retarded. Dig up the old linedev statements from any time in the last 3 decades. You know why? Battletech has always been a novel-driven franchise. We got the clan invasion 3 years before the TRO for the mechs. Fucking newfags.

You know the takeaway I get from lurking these threads is that the only way to be a real battletech fan is to hate everything about it, and honestly actually liking anything makes you less of a real fan. Guess I'll consider myself filtered. It looked cool, for a bit.

>>95844433
>>95844440
>the sourcebooks which list house military strength, unit composition, battles and statistics are secondary to fiction
Go play someone insisting your pilot has the "Phantom mech" I double fucking dare you.

>>95844471
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

>>95844471
I'm starting to believe this this too.

>>95844450
>trump the very rules you play the game by
Somebody post the old TW "These are just approximations and the real universe is different." disclaimer.

>>95844472
Phantom mech has rules. The rules are less canon than the sourcebook description of it, and the sourcebook description is less canon than the novel description. I think there's also a picture of one of the phantom mech events, which is the least canon of them all, in case it happens to contradict any of the previous.

>>95844472
Phantom Mech is in Campaign Ops, which is a sourcebook. Funny that.

>>95844471
YES! Now you're getting it, anon. We aren't here to talk about the game. This is a place to be mad and make other people quit. The less people in this fandom the better off it is. You're welcome, and good riddance. We don't want new players here.

>>95844454
Exactly. Battletech is about larger than life individual figures with custom mechs fighting uphill battles against empires to change the world.
The mechs as presented are their "grunt" variations, anyone you control in the game should be a hero character and should be customized with unique skills and abilities to meet the expectations of the writing.

>>95844479
>real universe is different
Welp I guess every melee and brawler mech are functionally extinct. The rules are a EXACT 1:1 representation, the "tennis court" cop out is exactly that, a cop out.

>>95844497
>>95844471
Interestingly I've been over in /hwg/ the last couple days and they don't have this problem. They just have a guy who insists that anything not perfectly historically accurate belongs in /awg/

They also get like, six posts a day, so that's different.

>>95844484
>>95844486
>has rules
>novel has it completely immune to targeting period
Fuck I hate newfags.

>>95844471
You are describing a phenomenon that is present in all the fandoms I am aware of, from comics to video games to novels to television.

>>95844471
>>95844514

It's called caring about a franchise and hating that it is currently terribly mismanaged in the fluff department. When you have a franchise as old and involved as Battletech, you need to ask the autismal fans to fact check or help, but they never do. Then they fuck up their playtesting, their factchecking, their continuing narrative, and it hurts. But the authors don't care. They'll move on to the next thing, like locusts. The lack of crowdsourcing is the problem IMO, but they also want to keep all their narrative surprises close to their vest.

>>95844511
Almost like if two different things contradict, one is more true to the story of the universe than the other. Hmm, if only we knew the exact order of which one has a higher level of veracity...

>>95844527
If you crowdsource you get a bunch of lowest common denominator nonsense for normies.

>>95844534
That's a general call, not one to the 'tism whale lords. We got the brains right here. They used to ask us too. First one they told us to fuck off with was Shattered Fortress IIRC. Man they botched the Regulan War details because of that.

>>95844527
Achieve buddha nature and accept that the franchise was always poorly run and the fluff never made sense.

>>95844541
They still ask us, but they're innocuous. Sometimes when you see anons asking weirdly specific questions in here, it's xotl checking how rules should be resolved. Sometimes it's actually me

>>95844532
I don't know, maybe the fucking one that you have to obey to play the fucking game?

>>95844550
An abstraction for a tabletop simulation taking primacy? Anon, you amuse me.

>>95844550
Game is secondary to the novels, as established.

>>95844550
That leads us down the stupid hole of machine guns actually having a 90 meter range if you strain your aiming ability to its absolute maximum and all war machines weighing in in precise increments of 5 tons.

>>95844424
This is actually official. Novels are TRUE, even if they violate rules. This was mostly intended for stuff like, "Nuh uh, a Gauss Rifle can't hit something at 700 meters!", but it has been confirmed by the devs many times.

>>95844561

>>95844556
>>95844557
>>95844561
>nooooooo
Cool now play the game like that. Wait, you can't? It's almost as if that's completely bullshit and the rules are written as is.

>>95844550
How would you handle optional rules in this scenario? Sometimes any BA unit can fit in a six ton infantry bay, sometimes the fatties can't. Are all golden bb shots to the torso or are floating TACs canon? Which suppliers in-universe accept SP instead of currency and why do they keep sending me more tanks even after mine blow up at random after being shot?

>>95844544
There's something about incomplete, flawed things that (sometimes) makes them a lot more compelling than objectively excellent things. It's certainly easier to become passionate about them. Battletech is one of those things for me. For others it's the Twilight novels or some controversial jrpg.

>>95844575
>Man can't separate fictional universe from game meant to emulate it.
I think they need to bump whatever you're on a few milligrams.

>>95844527
From my POV Battletech does this better/more than any other IP I've seen. I can't think of any other IP that hires fans (because it's a crazy proposition). But Battletech does, doesn't it? Like the guy who wrote the RATs, for example?

>>95844578
>vehicles and armor are the same
A Bradley and BMP can carry the same amount of infantry despite being vastly in size.
>TAC's
Yes. Because armor isn't skintight or evenly distributed.
>SP
Those are vouchers from your employer, if salvage is good then you win, if not you've essentially have company script.

>>95844595
The porchmaster who owns the company right now was himself a fan in the early-90's.

>>95844595
Battletech even has a distinct pipeline to go from fan to writer. You gotta submit to Shrapnel and get accepted, but once you're known as a shrapnel author they'll pay attention to other stuff. Though that's not exactly the path I took

>>95844602
I had to get a mangled forcepack mech replaced once, and for some reason the replacement came in a package with Loren's home address as the return address lmao

I did think of one other mega instance of an IP hiring a fan, though... the south american Star Wars loremaster guy.

Wait, so if the game isn't canon, and the books are all cheap inconsistent genre fiction, and the videogames don't play like how it's supposed to, what are we all doing here?

Is just like a book club for crap like the star wars chewbacca novels?

>>95844613
You're telling us you have the option to be a porch dwelling davion man and instead you're posting on 4chan?

>>95844581
>can't separate the medium which you interact with the setting
Cool I'll load up a Piranha with real life ranges while you play a Locust with game rules. Do you see where this is going. MWO would be even more pixel sniping than it is now.

>>95844601
I didn't ask about bradleys and BMPs, I asked about a squad of Kanazuchis being able to fit into a four ton bay under one rule and an 8 ton bay under another.
>yes
It's not a yes or no answer. Do TACs only affect the torso? Because there's two exclusive rules for that.
>from your employer
They carry over regardless of employer or if you even have an employer and there's no rules for using them as script. Try again.

>>95844615
Are you beginning to understand the fucking retarded premise of Battletech?

>>95844623
The fun game about mecha I can play with my friends?

>>95844615
Were you under the impression that your postage stamp skirmish between brightly colored parade units was canon?

>>95844595
>>95844602
>>95844606

Hiring fans is also dangerous, because then you get things like XIN SHENG! when fanboys fanboy all over the canon. The original FASA staff were professional writers who came to have favorites, but it's a different flavor from when the inmates start running the asylum.

I'm pretty that this is also why in Shadowrun Ares suddenly got a case of terminal retardation and Tir Tairngire stopped being fascist.

I'm going to bed. I expect you all to be on your worst behavior when I wake up.

>>95844622
>all vehicles are the same
You're fucking stupid.
>do TAC's effect the torso
Yes.
>employer
>that contracts you through the MRB
Who the fuck do you think negotiates for your services? Do you think CBills aren't accepted everywhere either?

>>95844634
True, fans tend to be emotionally invested in the work to a degree that professionals art, but professionals are less likely to care even a little bit beyond a paycheck.

>>95844641
I'll be sure to accuse at least four people of being CGL plants

>>95844624
Yeah. The rules don't matter and everything is made up.

>>95844626
No, just the good bit. The rest is just merchandising.
>>95844634
Letting fanboys into the writing room is pretty much exactly what you have to avoid to stop the setting degenerating into a back and forth canon war.

Can't wait for LAMs to come back and actually, everyone uses them now and they're really good. It'll be my time in the spotline eventually. Just gotta wait for herb to retire.

>>95844646
I didn't ask you about vehicles. I asked you about infantry that is always the same unit but takes up different amounts of space depending on the rules in use.
So you can never, ever, ever get a lucky shot through armor except through the thickest, least articulated slab right in the middle? Why is floating TAC not canon?
SP are used in eras without the MRB and by forces that are not mercenary, try again.

>>95844647
>I'll be sure to accuse at least four people of being CGL plants
That does seem like exactly the sort of thing a CGL plant would do to try and sow discord and throw people off the scent.

>>95844672
Scent, you say? You wouldn't happen to have any... 3d printed models over there, would you?

>>95844664
>2differentcontainers.jpg
Do I have to teach you 3rd grade science between volume and mass?
>CT crits
Look at the armor. It's not seamless or even.
>yo SP is just a thing
>even though it's not backed by anything I guess
Do you not understand fiat currency?

>>95844654
>LAM's
I hope a Atlas LAM with a single small laser and 2tons gets released, just to fuck you all more.

>>95844675
>>2differentcontainers.jpg
It's the same container. Under one ruleset, a whole squad of fat BA fits in it. Under a different ruleset, they do not. The container and the BA are exactly the same size in both cases.
>Look at the armor. It's not seamless or even.
Then why can you only penetrate it in the thickest, most homogenous, least seamfull part?
>Do you not understand fiat currency?
SP is explicitly not a currency.

You're really not convincing me on making rules canon. You're not even convincing me that you can read.

>>95844654
>Can't wait for LAMs to come back and actually, everyone uses them now and they're really good. It'll be my time in the spotline eventually. Just gotta wait for herb to retire.

Hell, we're already seeing WarShips use again.

>>95844697
>SP is explicitly not a currency.

NYA but SP is a currency in every way that matters.

>>95844680
It's only a matter of time until someone you disagree with gets the reins. That's why it's a losing concept to care about canon changes beyond maybe the first couple of years something exists. I don't even consider the first changes to LAMs to be canon.

>>95844704
>>95844654
All I want for LAMs is for them to get the ability to CC in space.
Do it for her.

>>95844601
SP can be fluffed as anything that has value; c-bills, h-bills, scrap, ammo, water, spare parts. But specifically CamOps give 1 SP the value of 10,000 c-bills

>>95843906
You mean giving everyone pinpoint accuracy where they can kill other mechs in one salvo and making battlemechs more omni than omnimechs in an online PvP title is a nightmare to balance and kills off your ability to add a lot of designs to the game you really want to add when your entire business strategy is about putting up new mechs for sale? Who'd thought that was a bad idea?

>>95843641
>if you fuck up the rolls.
Just roll well bro

>>95844615
What happens in official games is canon unless CGL decide otherwise, the books are "real" canon and advance the setting even if they're written like garbage, and the video games are all apocryphal unless CGL decide otherwise.

>>95844966
The broad strokes of the videogames are canon - for example, Operation Bulldog 100% happens - but the specifics are apocryphal - like the named mechwarriors of Zulu Company - until CGL decides they want to spark a little nostalgia by canonizing one or two things

>>95844984
I recall mechwarrior 3 has a novelization of the campaign

>>95845046
Yeah. Some video games get novelization or sourcebook adaptations, such as HBS Battletech getting House Arano, but video games themselves are apocryphal.

Example: Mechwarrior 4: Mercs isn't canon, but its New Exford campaign was alluded to when the Hellcat appeared in a RecGuide

>>95844672
People on this board being CGL plants implies things like CGL actually PAYING someone, and we all know that that isn't the case fucking ever.

>>95845492
You're obviously a CGL plant trying to throw us off the scent

>>95845492
What if they pay people with cookies and record sheets?

>>95843523
Personally i like the IV Legio scheme, its pretty functional. The II Legio one is nice too.

>>95845492
It's like you've never even heard of The Catalyst Observer.

Fluff question - could, lore-wise, ATM appear on some mech in Inner Sphere? Or it makes no sense?

>>95845640
I thought that was just a fucking meme namefag that people sometimes use when mocking the nonsensical decisions CGL makes, kinda like picrel. Are you here telling me that's an actual thing that happened?

>>95845658
It's just an insane meme. There are a few CGL employees and freelancers who used to or even currently frequent /btg/, but they don't put actual effort into monitoring us. There's only about fifty posters here after all, we are not worth the effort.

>>95845658
Yes, anon. There actually is a paid position in CGL to monitor spaces CGL doesn't control for NDA breaking material, and to report on anyone identifiable who doesn't confirm to CGLs posting standards. The current line dev, Ray, did actually hold that position for a while. It's 100% a real thing. James Kirtley does it now, I think.

It's ALSO a fucking meme namefag that people here sometimes use to take the piss. But the TCO is actually a real thing.

I can truly say we do it for free! :^)

>>95845731
Hello,

You aren't fooling anyone, you know. Any Classic BattleTech player with even a modicum of knowledge would never mistake your impersonation attempt for the real thing. Go find somewhere else to infest with your misbegotten attitude and stop trying to suppress the membership of the Classic BattleTech fanbase. Catalyst Game Labs is entirely capable of doing that ourselves.

And yes. The Observer is real, and we are watching. Player dossiers don't just maintain themselves, and it is simplicity itself to connect your posting here with your Reddit accounts, and from there to your real identities given the data which various websites have agreed to provide to Catalyst Game Labs. Enjoy your illusion of anonymity.

Thank you for your time,
-TCO

No! Im the real deal!

The truth is that everyone here works for Catalyst Game Labs and we just don't have anything better to do all day.

Dragon status?

>>95845766
>your Reddit accounts

>>95845883
Removed from all future force packs and only available via salvage boxes.

>>95844672

Its really less that they're a directed plant that does stuff on behest of the millionaires in the top echelons of CGL and more that they're underpaid freelancers who think that by slurping the boot harder they get to be part of a vaunted inner circle. Usually this involves some imaginary position where they get paid a living wage(lol) to create content for battletech.

>>95846507

There's a strange type of nerd that just thinks every fandom (a nebulous concept that just means 'liking a thing' to normal people) is a building with four walls and a roof with a door you can shut

>>95846518
>>95846507

its called being a board member of a Home Owners Association, though you own no homes so you need to get that control freak kick somewhere instead of just picking up a random hooker that reminds you of your mother, killing her and dismembering her corpse like a normal person

>>95844237
No it says no such thing, it says the glaug design is the very old original though with it's two distinct chin antennae, and the newer design is just a newer design.
Anon is just doubling down on showing he doesn't actually read lore.

There is a disgusting lack of dragon being honored in this thread!

>>95846953
Shut it weeb.

>>95845766
>Player dossiers don't just maintain themselves
Oooh, what's mine say?!

>>95845961
>Removed from all future force packs and only available via salvage boxes.
What about the Inner Sphere Support Lance?

Got a game this evening at my FLGS, one of the guys in the Facebook group offered a light mech bash, Civil war era, 4k bv, but only 2250bv can be spent on up to four lights, and the remaining 1750 on up to 1 medium for some reason? my best guess is to prevent people from just bringing 4 0/1 jenners or something. looking for feedback or tips anyone has.
>Pheonyx Hawk-3PL (3/4 or 2/5) or Vulcan 5M (0/3 or 1/1) to swat bugs with their pulses and since any unused medium space is wasted since I can't spend it on more/better lights there's no reason not to ramp their skill up to fill value.
>Wasp-4W (3/5) decent light, if I can get in close the pulses would be pleasant
>Firestarter-P (3/5) lots of weapons for lots of hit rolls, and if anyone is using a mech that can overheat easily the flamers could keep them steamy.
>Stinger-5R (3/4) if there's any scary mediums (even if I don't think anyone would, someone could bring a Hunchback IIC or something similar.) hop up it's ass and deploy rockets, if not it can still throw kicks and save the rockets to exploit a low TMM.
I think the biggest one I'm unsure about is the medium mech choice, I know the 3PL and 5M are good variants but bringing a mech that has more bonuses than skill feels kinda try hardy? but at the same time, I might run into a wraith or other 7 jump pulse boat that will never die otherwise. my current plan was to bring both and ask them in person if either felt too cheesy or not, but I figured asking here might be a good idea too.
>why these specific lights in particular instead of X
Because I have them already.

>>95844697
>being this stupid
I done talking to you, you clearly don't understand rules or real fucking life.

>>95847364
So when does St. Fiacre of Breuil High School lose to their Drac equivalent?

>>95847401
I have a Saxon APC and four Kanazuchi BA.
Under one set of rules, I can embark the Kanazuchis into the Saxon. Under a different set of rules, I cannot. The Saxon has a five ton infantry bay. Square this circle.

>>95847384
Vulcan is armored like a light. I would bring something heavier that your opponent will focus on, like a Hunchback 6S or 5P.

>>95847384
It's considered sporting to keep piloting/gunnery within 2 steps of each other.

>>95846953
I'm surprised there isn't a Davion Dragon, given how many are captured on the border. Drop the ac/5 for a large laser, 13 heat sinks total, add another mlas pointing forward, spend the rest on armor.

>>95847918
>Davion Dragon
Essentially what the Centurion becomes, also no Davion in their right mind would get rid of an autocannon!

>>95847953
Davions always replace ac/5s and 2s on their variant. The AC/10 is a davionman's weapon of choice.

>>95847970
So saying a Dragon with maybe LRM10 dropped for an AC/10?

>>95847918
I tend to believe both of the Davions and Steiners sell off their salvaged Dragons or use them as payment for mercenaries. It's a fine unit to salvage, but it's also iconic to the enemy.

>>95848030
>Give them to mercenaries
>They paint the Dragon up with cute colors and teddy bears
>Use them to raid the Combine
True reason for the death to mercs orders

>>95844966
You missed the most important: word of god (dev)

>>95847821
yeah, I looked past it's armor, double checking it I think I'm not gonna use the Vulcan. Looking at the 6S it seems like it'd be fun, especially since with cluster ammo and a 3/5 pilot it effectively has a pulse AC, but I think I'll stick with the Phoenix Hawk, I prefer having the jump jets in case it gets swarmed, or I maneuver poorly. definitely gonna share it with the group though.
>>95847836
thanks for the guideline anon, that seems like a good rule of thumb.

>>95847741
Reminder that 4 zuches weigh 8 tons, rules as written from techmanual.

About a year ago, we discussed doing Sharpe's rifles. Being hte lazy bastard that I am, I never got around to painting them until now (I'm just starting, don't expect any pictures for a few days.)
Does this look roughly right for the pilots and their mechs?

>>95848608
Yes, and rules as written they fit in a 4 ton bay. Or an 8 ton bay with rules as written elsewhere.

>>95848608
>>95848674
Metric, SAE, British Imperial, Russian Imperial or Star League?

>>95848770
Star League obviously. You can't do the necessary calculations to access hammerspace with the other ones.

>>95848633
Hagman should honestly be a zero Gunner, with everyone having their stats reduced by at least a point. But I assume you're trying to keep things within 8k, so I'd say it looks right.

Now kindly get out of my walls, I just started rewatching Sharpe today.

>>95848889
They recently uploaded the Sharpe episodes to youtube a few weeks ago.

>>95848005
You have to sacrifice a lot to make that work.

>>95849020
You can make a weird enforcer if you're set on the AC/10.

For defending your built up periphery settlement from pirates and raids, is there anything more c-bill efficient and repairable than small ICE vehicles packed full of rocket launchers? You'd think "infantry," but even basic platoons of infantry with no field guns are really expensive for some reason. Rocket trucks may not be the best for a fighting campaign or in the open field, but on home ground in a one-off fight sending seventy rockets point blank into a mech could trade way up for c-bills spent, and once the surprise is over it's still deterrence, which is all you can really hope for when you're trying to defend a remote position with a low budget.

Thank you Marians for somehow being the ones to invent this!

Tomorrow i get my AGoAC box and i can finally start to dive deep into the autistic goodness. So far i played 5 games against myself and had a blast tho it felt very basic.

>>95849020
I meant to swap the LRM10 to upgrade the AC/5 to an AC/10 but this shit is hilarious as well like Shad 2D but if a Dragon.

>>95849124
>even basic platoons of infantry with no field guns are really expensive for some reason
Anti-Mech training, jacks up the cost by like, a whole order of magnitude

>>95849124
The c-bill cost of infantry expects full time professional soldiers who will remain on payroll indefinitely. The actual cost of getting together a local militia to fight off one raid and then go back to the dirt farms would be much less, even if you provide their gear.
That said, your local militia made up of local boys with surplus rifles and coveralls are better off hunkered down in a reinforced building rather than out in the field fighting pirates anyway. Mechs are still your gold standard.

>>95849198
Don't worry, your point was very clear, this guy is a retard.

>>95849124
>basic platoons of infantry with no field guns are really expensive for some reason
People are expensive. Salaries, food, benefits, training, etc. Ultimately, C-bill costs are pretty abstracted; a platoon of professional soldiers from the Lyran Commonwealth are probably going to cost more than a platoon of backwater conscripts. They'd likely be more effective as well, but infantry is pretty abstract in BT.

>>95849125
Thats some interesting picks for starting boxes, but great to hear you are enjoying yourself. I'm seeing Clan invasion boxes on sale for $35 right now which is a pretty good deal.

>>95848889
I'm surprised in that it actually only bumps me up another thousand BV. But I'll have enough trouble getting my local group to play at 8k, they tend to trend towards 6k or lower. 9k is almost certainly out entirely, especially with a 0/4 pilot.

>>95849286
>Clan invasion boxes on sale for $35
my local shop has them for 32 i already spend 132 bucks this month but maybe i need to grab them if that is really that much of a steal

Anyone have any battletech plans this month?

>>95849482
I'm going to the battletech day at a store in Southern New England, might finally convince my friends to come over and play it one of these weekends.

>>95849482
Thursday every week is my FLGS game. Sunday we're doing mission 2 of our current contract in my Campaign group. Last time, we surprised the DM by accepting both contracts at once to his great surprise since they weren't (yet) exclusive, and this month we're probably going to be paying the penalty for that decision.

>>95849516
Good to hear more stores are doing battletech stuff. I only get pickup games once a month or so when my friend has time. (He has a small child so he never has time.)

So /btg/, how does one play battletech at an FLGS? This may sound autistics, but I've never played a wargame in public. Do you just show up with your units and hope someone else does the same? Or do you show up, meet people, and try and arrange for something on another day?

>>95849579
You either put up a notice on their events board or discord server ahead of time and see who shows up, talk to another regular and arrange a day, or just show up and hope someone else is there who will play. That last one is the least likely to work, and in all cases you might need to bring extra units to create another player's force for them, especially if you're there without informing anyone ahead of time.

>>95849615
This.
Organize ahead of time, you'll never get a game otherwise.

>>95849286
Btw can i ask you why that is an interesting pick? I just choose what i tought is cool, innercity battles

>>95849482
I'm playing in a little Hinterlands campaign my brother is running online. Fun so far, although we're using the fan-made "Override" ruleset instead of full on Classic, which I'm more used to.

>>95849482
Hoping to have a pickup game tonight, but I haven't heard back from the guy I usually play.

Who would win in a fight between a Rifleman RFL-3N and a Dragon DRG-1N?

>>95850157
My money's on the dragon. It needs to get in close and bully the rifleman in melee.

>>95850330
Except while the rifleman has better long-range weaponry. It’s constantly criticized (for good reason) for not having enough ammunition, nor an adequate supply of heat sinks to actually do its job correctly. So there’s also a chance the dragon’s pilot could have this flaw work in his favor in allowing him to close ranks.

>>95850362
If the rifleman loses initiative, the Dragon is going to punch straight through the toilet paper the Rifleman has for rear armor. It's fast enough to go from directly in front to directly behind it in one move.

>>95849235
>>95849241
>>95849272
You know the c-bill costs for infantry are out of wack when the most expensive jump infantry unit is four times more expensive than the most expensive 3-jumping battle armor.

>>95850480
but there's like 7 times as many dudes?

Everything about infantry costs, from transport to hiring, is about preventing people in campaign games from bringing a battalion to what should be a lance vs lance engagement.

>>95850480
Actually no. The most expensive jump infantry is the Anti-Mech Jump Infantry (Third Ueda Infantry), calculated at 37,599,479.97 C-bills for 21 men. The most expensive 3-jumping battle armor unit is a squad of six Golem Assault Armor (Fast Assault) at 9,609,480 C-bills. Per man, the jump infantry costs 1,790,451 c-bills, while the battle armor costs 1,601,580 c-bills. For this, the battle armor has 18 armor, a machine gun, an auto-rifle, and a one-shot srm 5, while the jump infantry have a laser rifle, one heavy support laser in the squad, anti-mek kit and a Free Rasalhague Republic Infantry Kit. Something like Elemental IIIs with AP Guass are around half as cheap as the Assault Golems too.

>>95850623
>>95850520
Misquoted, meant to quote you.

>>95850547
They should have come up with some other reason, because lorewise "poor bloody infantry" are cheap and a squad taking out a mech is a big win logistics-wise then in the game a squad of normal jump infantry is more expensive than a lot of light mechs.

>>95849615
>>95849635
Or you could do like me and set up your game at a cafe and just sit tgere reading a book until someone expresses curiosity and teach them.

>>95850701
Post pics of your setup next time you do this, I don't believe you're based enough to do this.

>>95844454
>We got the clan invasion 3 years before the TRO for the mechs.

Blood Legacy came out in Sept 1989. TRO 3050 came out at some point in 1990. Reinforcements 2 came out in 1990.

>>95850720
I live in the countryside right now, last lived in a city 2 years ago where I did it at least once a month with Blood Bowl.

>>95845766
Based TCO. This one is the real deal.

>>95848889
Odd, I just finished Sharpe yesterday. The last 3 episodes ruin it imo.

>>95850157
>>95850330
>>95850362
I agree the dragon. 5/8 movement means it has the speed to control the range, and it also has the armor to soak the Rifleman's shots. It can get in close and get some hits in on the way, and then the Rifleman will crack once it's close.

>>95851271
Agreed. The series ended with Mission.

>>95851271
Is Sharpe the musket fighting series with Sean Bean and all the women with big tits?

>>95851497

Exactly the one, lad.

>>95851516
I love that you just had that handy. Hat's off to you.

>>95851516
Hey, since we're on page 9 anyway, what do you think about the Levs thread up right now? Good look for the game, having a schizo on it before the game even releases.

>>95851558
I checked and it looks like one of our usual schizos breached containment and made another thread to cry about how CGL stole his porch money.

>>95851558
>>95851737
To answer some of the concerns he brought up:

He claimed CGL is selling the game at conventions. This isn't true. Some early product was handed out to the demo team for demo purposes, mostly the grinder kit of every ship in the game, picrel. We know that the game will deliver to all backers first, including retail backers, before CGL actually starts selling it at their convention booths.

Shipping keeps getting delayed, and we don't have many updates on why, but apparently part of what they're doing is using Levs to vet a new shipping partner who will also handle Battletech and the international hubs for CGL, so we won't have $200 shipping for one force pack to aussieland anymore. Apparently shipping has been locked and charged, so we can expect shipments to go to backers Soon, but that could mean anything from next week to months from now.

>>95851807
At least the game itself is fun. I like the French ships.

>>95849516
>Southern New England
where at?

>>95851807
>>95851823
I hope they do something nice with aerospace rules. Dieselpunk WW1 doesn't sound interesting but maybe it'll get their atmospheric and above brain-juices flowing.

>>95851857
If nothing else, a bunch of the Leviathans maps are just a cloudy sky background with hex grid, so those will pull double duty as aerotech maps.

>>95851848
TJ's Cafe.

>>95850157
Rifleman because it has cool looking gun arms.

Which tac ops book has the advanced infantry rules?

>>95851893
Where did you hear about this?

>>95851945
Someone on here mentioned it and it's on their otherwise very sparse website events calendar.

>>95849124
Lol, there has to be a cheaper way to get a rocket launcher than stealing it off a helicopter.

>>95851969
I checked their website and it only said Magic, D&D, Lorcana, etc. Doesn't even give dates.

>>95851991
I thought it was the website, it's actually a Google calendar link from their discord. It's on the 21st. Some time between the last time I checked and now, they made an actual battletech channel, it's going to be a grinder and maybe some pickup games.

>>95852000
I wish they'd put stuff on the website and not in a discord I won't join. I might swing by and check it out if time permits. What's the scene like there?

>>95852026
Looks like huge majority 40k (shocker, right?), some heroscape, some bolt action, some of GW's specialist games, and maybe a handful of other things once in a while, including Battletech. I've bought stuff from there before and peeked into the game room, but it was always just 40k. Feels like a pretty normal crowd for a big game store.

>>95852036
Oh, and as far as I know, they don't stock battletech stuff, so it's no surprise there aren't that many players there. Good variety of basically everything else though.

>>95852047
>so it's no surprise there aren't that many players there.
Isn't that a good thing? Not having a lot of players is what these threads clearly want. The fewer players the better the game and all that.

>>95852109
By that logic Leviathans is the ideal game since it's really just NEA and MCA playing it.

Do you like my Nova Cats nova /btg/?

Since bottom is on vacation and we're on page 10, I figured I'd fill in for him.

>The perfect build doesn't exi-

Should Smoke LRM's be included in basic pick up games? I think they should be because they grant arguably the weakest weapon in the game, the LRM 5, more utility as a defensive option rather than forcing it to be and offensive tool, which it sucks at. Most of the LRM 5 mechs, the Vindicator, the Griffin 1S, the Ostroc 2L, the Grasshopper, the Battlemaster 1S, etc all benefit from being able to pop smoke and gain that +1 to be hit from the smoke allowing them to close the distance rather than the pittance of damage you might do with the actual mech.

>Too many requests
Captcha is being shit, someone else is gonna have to make a new thread. Just remember to copy paste the new OP and remove any (embed)s if you use 4chanX/XT

>>95852528
Fucking based. Yes, please keep posting your Nova Cats. I always knew they had the backing of the Sharks.

NEA or Map Camp Anonwould you say (forgive me) that Leviathans is a shorter or faster game than Battletech?

I know CBT speeds up real fast after a few games but im juuuust asking.

>>95851823
>>95851807

Im somewhat miffed the game only has three unit types.

>>95852926
Destroyers, cruisers, battle cruisers, battleships, flying fortresses, troop ships, fighters, bombers, torpedo bombers, and anti-aircraft ground guns are only three unit types?

>>95852916
Neither of them obviously, but it's pretty quick playing. Playing on TTS using the standard play rules, you get through a normal game in 90 minutes or less. That's 1000 points and 6 turns, so usually one battleship or battle cruisers, two cruisers, two destroyers, and a few plane squadrons per side.

>>95852986

Ok. Are they selling models for snything but destroyers, cruisers and battleships yet.

>>95852986
Are there turn limits or do you just go forever until one side concedes

Dunno if any of you bothered to mess with the spaceship battle portion of the game but I did long ago and it was a lot of fun after you got through the weeds. The crit tables are something else

>>95853009
They aren't selling models for anything at all right now. Every single unit type I listed is available in either the model packs they're selling at launch, or in the campaign boxes. So yeah all those are for sale, once the game actually hits retail.

>>95853009
I said there's 6 turns in a standard game.

>>95853026
I see we are counting 2d cardboard tokens as "models" now

>>95853059
I see we've drifted from "not enough unit types" to "only unit types with 3d models matter".

>>95853059
>I see we are counting 2d cardboard tokens as "models" now
Yes, yes we are, as we always have

>>95853119
Off to the arena, last one there sits in the splash zone.

>>95852916
Leviathans is slightly faster than BT. No real tables to consult, mostly.

Well, you can always try to tape together dozen RPG-7 or M-72.

New thread sans subject line but w/e

>>95853119

>>95853026
ah... "SOON" (TM)
>aka "NEVER"

>>95851807
I don't believe Lev's exists. I think CGL are lying.