these dudes kinda hurt edition

>Bans
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-announcement-march-31-2025

>News
The 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:
https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule

Odenheimer, Gruul Aggro, Wins Magic Spotlight: Foundations:
https://articles.starcitygames.com/magic-the-gathering/odenheimer-gruul-aggro-wins-magic-spotlight-foundations/

>Spoilers
http://www.magicspoiler.com/
https://mythicspoiler.com/

CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES
>Current meta, complete with deck lists
https://www.mtgtop8.com/
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/
>Build and share casual decks
https://deckstats.net/
https://tappedout.net/

CUBE RESOURCES
>Build and share Cubes
https://cubecobra.com/landing

CARD RESOURCES
>Search engines
https://scryfall.com/
https://mtg.wtf/
>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://www.makeplayingcards.com/
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM
>Play online for free
https://untap.in/
https://dr4ft.info/

>What is EDH?
https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1

>WotC's War Crimes
https://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)
https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)

>Previously
>>95834458

>TQ
favorite creature token?

>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=69584&f=PREM
78 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=69543&f=PREM
123 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68297&f=PREM
279 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68163&f=PREM
92 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68886&f=PREM
84 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68956&f=PREM
66 players

Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home...

>tq
Natty creature artifact and enchantment

>>95843119
Refusing to address what's said to you = seething.
You do not deserve unique replies when you are repeating yourself.

Explain why you are obsessed with "Premodern" and have made literally hundreds of thousands of posts about "it". No one else in the world acts like you. No one else cares about your personal grudges.

How to identify Crusade spammer:
1. Is obsessed with "Premodern".
2. Rages at being called a shill.
3. Will never defend the evidence of his religion.
4. Will never accept other people aren't gullible.
5. Pretends he has a personal army to help him.
6. Will never address anything said to him.
7. Will try to parrot this post and ignore how he's already proven wrong

You are a single person, Crusade spammer. No matter how hard you spam no one will think otherwise.

Crusade spammer can't give a single reason why anyone at all should listen to him or believe that "Premodern" is a real format.

>>95843182
This guy's mad. lmao.

>Oh, cool, a deck with Lightning and Cloud? Wonder what this deck's about
>Cloud is gonna grab some equipment, neat!
>It's just another Cori-Steel Cutter deck

>>95843110 (OP)
>persist Jumbo Kektaur
>attack
>no trample? no problem
>i play Altar of Dementia and sac my kektaur to mill you for OVER 9000

I play a forest, tap it for llanowar elves and end my turn

>>95843342
I play a mountain, tap it for lightning bolt, target myself and concede

The health of this game right now.

>>95843342
>>95843360
I play swamp, tap it for dark ritual, 3 black mana floating, I cast putrid imp with 1 black mana floating, discard Akroma, Angel of Wrath to putrid imp, cast exhume with the last 2 mana floating, Akroma, Angel of Wrath comes into play from my graveyard and I attack you for 6 in the air without needing to tap it and my my turn.
Your move.

>>95843386
Can't wait to build a deck with Spider-Man and that bald kid from Avatar.

>>95843393
JUDGE HE'S USING BANNED CARDS AND MISGENDERED ME

>>95843406
It's all legal in premodern. And yes, even misgendering you.

The more I think about it... The more it seems like Premodern is the way to go. Even the power level difference between the """top""" decks and the weaker viable decks running the best options for their playstyle is fairly small. It's not like any standard after 2003 when it's 80% affinity and then 30% some best deck everyone has to build around or lose. It's not like Legacy or Modern where the power level of the cards has been continually crept up by the incredibly bad post-2003 design.
>No Mirrodin, TS, Ravnica power creep proto-FIRE nonsense
>No pokemon cards (planeswalkers) LARPing as MTG
>No coomander slop
>No UB slop
>No FIRE
>Strongest decks are fairly cheap if you use modern printing though aesthetically this is inferior
>Even cheaper if you just proxy or use Cockatrice/Xmage
>Large variety of viable decks

>packs have art cards
>get tifa
>neat
>checking card prices
>gold stamped version is selling for $8+
That's more than most of the rares in the set.

>>95843433
The Final Fantasy cards will be dropping in price very, very soon.

>>95843422
premodern has a ban list.
https://www.premodernmagic.com/legal-sets#legal-sets
https://www.premodernmagic.com/banned-watched#ban-list

>>95843393
>polluted delta
>sac find underground sea
>lotus petal
>lotus petal
>dark ritual
>dark ritual
>lion's eye diamond
>grim tutor, sac LED with tutor on the stack
>find past in flames
>cast past in flames
>ritual
>ritual
>grim tutor
>find tendrils of agony
>cast tendrils of agony, trigger storm count 12 all at you

>>95843446
The combo I just mentioned is 100% legal though. And yes, again, even misgendering you.
>>95843453
>find tendrils of agony
That's actually banned. kek.

>>95843453
The storm card you want is brain freeze

>>95843468
oh my bad i thought we were playing legacy

>>95843441
I hope so. I want many of 'em in alternative art-desu.

>>95843476
>mills Gaea's Blessing

>>95843428
But goy I mean anon that format is not circumcised I mean sanctioned by WotC

>>95843446
i aint clickin that shit bruh

>>95843110 (OP)
What card makes those dudes? I like that sort of deck

>>95843441
I'm still impressed by how much a completely tournament in-viable card is selling for relative to the rest of the set.

>>95843516

>>95843393
>discard an island to foil the ritual

>>95843453
>>95843476
I fucking hate storm cards and the whole storm mechanic so much. What a fucking broken ability.

>>95843453
>stifle delta search

>>95843544
You never counter the dark ritual, retard. You always counter what follows after.

>>95843550
nah. I'll counter the ritual. More fun that way.

Hey another trophy. 7-0. Format is fun.

Wish archetypes were a tad more pushed, RG doesnt feel very good. The deck needed some kind of fetchland, but maybe that would push it too much.

>>95843537
Travesty Zidane doesnt trance.

>>95843550
sometimes you counter the ritual. it depends on what you think the payoff is, the board state, the likely land count in the opponent's deck, etc.

it's amazing how much of a nigger mechanic lands are even all these years later, no wonder every single other TCG has cut those as much as they can
>game 3, on the draw, perfectly serviceable hand of 3 lands and 4 spells
>except it's a complete non-game because I got stuck on 3 despite being on the draw and one of my cards drawing too

>>95843550
i was kind of excited to see that this is pioneer/standard legal but thinking about it now this card is pretty unplayable these days, especially in pioneer where that 3 mana enchantment that makes the demon means you potentially get whacked for 8 on upkeep

>>95843722
those people on mtg salvation from 20 years ago have finally been proven right

ardyn deck is really fun

>>95843779
people who dont have gy hate will get catcus in the face.

>>95843712
You say this but you should play yugioh, which has no resource system
It's a fucking abysmal coin flip game for retards
Lands are a necessary evil

>>95843802
what about Hearthstone with its mana over time mechanic

>>95843802
I'm not saying to do away with resource systems, just that it being actual cards you gotta draw into (but avoid drawing too much) is total ass
they should just make MTG2 where you get a land every turn guaranteed

>>95843110 (OP)
>TQ

>>95843893

>>95843570
>nah. I'll counter the ritual. More fun that way.
FUCK
I concede then.

>>95843816
>let's make red even more potent
Yeah Nah

>>95843550
This is how Legacy Tendrils got away with it for so long.

>>95843802
>There's no middle-ground between lands in deck and every player having unlimited mana
Nice strawman moron.

>make a card that's both an artifact and a land
>also make it indestructible
>make a card that destroys target land and has its controller search their library for a basic land card, put on the battlefield and also make it so that he draws a card after that
>you can use it on the indestructible artifact land for all of it's effects and the artifact land remains
What did JotC meant by this?

>>95843428
PREMODERN INCLUDES THE RESERVE LIST
IT IS NOT THE WAY TO GO.

Prepioneer no RL is the way.

Prowess just broke 25% meta share in Pioneer.
We flourishing, bros.

>>95843428
>Templar knights are offensive because politics memes
They should be thinking about fixing their game, not trying to appease some imaginary brown people

I play a mountain, tap it for goblin lackey and end my turn

>>95843947
>i am a huge faggot please rape my face
What did you mean by this

>>95843428
What gets me is "or anywhere"
So what, not even in depictions and examples of insensitive art?

>>95843977
would prepioneer be premodern + up to some modern set or would it be post premodern and pre-some set (like 2015 frames or whatever)

Reminder that premodern is an actual balanced format and has more viable decks than other formats combined.
No other format currently in the game is as balanced as this.

>>95844060
>would prepioneer be premodern + up to some modern set or would it be post premodern and pre-some set (like 2015 frames or whatever)
Premodern+

Basically Premodern but including up to M13. And no Reserved List.

>play any format
>lose/win the coin flip
>lose/win the game
Can i have a format where cards don't do anything by themselves and i have to actually commit to plays and think about my card management?

>>95844093
Don't play TCGs
They're a total pay to win meme genre

>>95844109
TCGs are not pay to win
They're just purposefully designed to take away any player agency to feed them the illusion of skill so they keep buying more cardboard crack

>draft
>mana screw
>mana flood
here's your 0/3 bro

I want a format where you're only allowed to play vanilla creatures and instants

>>95844137
sounds retarded

>>95844127
>they're not pay to win
The more expensive deck will win every single time

>>95843446
Premodern isn't a real format

>>95844143
What exactly defines a real format for you then? The fact that JotC acknowledges and jews your ass for it?

so I think if youre winning too much arena will purposely try to fuck you

4 color omniscience is definitely the #1 deck in standard now
turn 3 kill rate is way too high
turn 4 kill almost guaranteed

>>95844179
It's cool how this game is now effectively YGO with worse art and less integrity.

>>95843587
It's not notable enough to warrant a card what with trances happening whenever without you being able to control when a characters uses it so most of the time it gets blown on some shitty random encounter mooks

>>95844143
>>95844156
Well?

HAHAHAH 4 THRAN PORTAL 4 STARTING TOWN 4 CAVERN OF SOULS 4 SECLUDED COURTYARD 4 PLAZA OF HEROES
5 COLOR LEGEND HUMANS COLORS MEAN NOTHING

>>95844141
That has only to do with the secondary market but the fault lies in the designers making retarded cards

I play a plains, tap it for savannah lions and end my turn

Black mage decks are so fun, bros. I can't stop forcing BR

Bros help me out with my mono humans
I feel there's way too many creatures and not enough protection

>>95844458
>Bros help me out with my mono humans
>I feel there's way too many creatures and not enough protection
Take out some creatures and add some protection.

>>95844473
I mean specifically what THOUGH

>>95844482

>>95844488
You bastard red faggot

>>95844495
Sorry bro. I don't play netdecks.

>>95844141

>>95844143
People playing at at an actual LGS
Premodern only exists on here and reddit.

>>95844562
You forgot your Brazilian image.

>>95844562
>people playing at an actual LGS
Magic is all but dead in my area. It's literally just prerelease and commander. This game is so fucked.
Also 90% of the commander players are unironically kids, fat women, and troons.

>>95844562
Sorry bro we are at the pub. LGS too stinky and pub has better food and drink

>>95843993
But Anon the game is being fixed. This is what they want. They want to destroy this game. It is literally physically impossible to do this much damage to an IP without trying to do it.

>>95843119
I'm not playing a Brazilian game.

>>95843816
wotc already did that with Duel Masters
in DM there are almost no dedicated mana cards and instead you can play any card in a mana zone 1/turn and they become a vanilla land for their color/s and have no other effects

thoughts on grixis black mages in standard?

>>95844698
Why not?

>>95844715
lol

>opponent has hushbringer out
>i have thalias lieutenant on my side
The Lieutenants first ability doesn't trigger, but does her second if another human enters?

>STILL no Mana Confluence reprent

where did the idea that premodern players were brazilian come from anyway? looking at mtgtop8 there are a lot of tournaments happening throughout the world and barely any of them are in brazil

Gruul is LITERALLY the reddit combination because it's what kicked off the whole Nielsen controversy

>>95843119
>come back and build netdecks in this format instead of netdecks in that other format

Cube is the only non-tard way to play Magic left.

>>95844910
Cube is a literal forced meme.

pauper brothers I need your feedback on a rakdos deck that might want to include pic related in the list.
I tried orzhov blade but the amount of 2 drops often prevents me from playing the staff on curve, favoring draw spells or kor skyfishers instead
https://moxfield.com/decks/C-k7sS0TjUW71Z2blMjMnA

>>95844910
Nearly every Cube personality out there is some dipshit who got into Cube before they got good at anything else. The environment is just as stupid and retarded as EDH is today - the most complex format infested by the least capable people playing the game. Actually every person talking about building Cube is shit at it, including the pros who are actually good at the game they can't design Cube for shit.

Telling people to play Cube is as insane as playing any other format - you are pulling from the same pool of idiots the only difference is that these idiots happen to own $50,000 Cubes. Arguably even worse people than the people playing retail Limited or Standard because at least some of those people are trying to get better. It's fucking over the players have simply gotten too stupid to maintain any level of respectable competency.

collab plss

>>95844879
Unironically a Brazilian Modern grinder poorfag who haunts this thread instead of joining his countrymen having fun in Premodern

>>95844853
It's going to be new art with Ugin and Bolas kissing with their dicks out.

>>95845002
hell no

>>95843949
What card is this? are you certain it's meant to be able to work on a card it can't destroy

So in this first hours of Final Fantasy you feel the deck had good impact across all formats?

>>95845035
>What card is this?
from the top of the hat
any effect that resembles Ghost Quarter, and any of the lands from the Bridge cycle

>>95845058
>hat
*head

>>95845002
If Astolfo could be my Commander I would actually start playing this game again.

>>95845058
Huh yeah I suppose that could be used on darksteel citadel, neat

>>95845002
>Nasu
>collabing with a western property
rmao

Between Azoriois and Orzhov which should I play?

>>95843227
Nooooooooooo, you're not allowed to play the best equipment in your equipment deck! I was meant to get a free win T_T

My predictions for 2026's UB
>DBZ
>OC set nobody gives a fuck about
>The Elder Scrolls
>Elden Ring / Dark Souls / FromSoft
>OC set nobody gives a fuck about
>Final Fantasy Round 2 (will have a lot of Tactics content)

>>95845250
Too optimistic also...
>FF 2
No, please stop.

>>95845256
>beatings will continue until morale improves

>>95845256
It's going to happen, they're not going to leave that weeb well alone.

So does Final Fantasy shake the Standard meta? I can't play without any netfdeck.

>>95845304
its more cancer
red aggro still wins 90% of every game

The FF expansion was a huge success, look at all the new players it brought in!

Anybody got a cool ff deck?

>>95845304
I don't see a single new card besides Vivi the ultra FIRE cancer making the cut until rotation at least.

>>95845304
>>95845317
Starting town is the only real contribution to the meta and it enables more 3-4 color degeneracy

You can run a 4 color omni list with
>abuelos awakening
>invasion of ergamon
>marang river regent
>founding the third path
>llanowar elves
>seize the spoils
>cache grab
>the world spell
>one with the multiverse
all in the same deck thanks to 8x prismatic lands and 2x dual of each color

>>95845335
wow mexicans really love final fantasy huh

>play legacy
>match up against spy, nadu, or reanimator
it's so weird how sneak and show feels so fair by comparison

>>95845340
3 cecil
4 duress
3 dreams of steel and oil
3 cut down
3 disfigure
4 dark confidant
4 caustic bronco
4 deep cavern bat
3 dark knight's greatsword
3 sheoldred
3 throw for the goat

>>95845141
burn it all
https://scryfall.com/card/m13/158/worldfire

>>95845351
Watch as they ban Entomb, resulting in a mass switch from UB reanimator to UB tempo and the play rate remaining at ~25% with nothing being solved. They're printing broken cards faster than they're willing to ban them.

Rate my Midweek Magic budget shitdeck (FF constructed)

>>95845317
Stop playing BO1

>>95845407
>play bo1
>aggro makes up 70% of the meta
>play bo3
>aggro makes up 90% of the meta

>>95845366
they're not gonna ban entomb, the last B&R proved that already, they'll likely either ban tamiyo and dread return or nothing and continue to monitor the format

>>95844882
You mean the witch hunt because she's a TERF?

>>95845340
Yea I made a rakdos black mages brawl deck with Kuja as the commander. I put only FF cards into the deck and it slaps

>>95845407
i want to stop playing this game alltogether
bo1, brawl.. it all dont matter
its all t3-4 checkmates with cards that play themselves or are hard and almost impossible to interact against unless your deck is built specifically against that by running only removal

its so fucking tiring

>>95845452
Saying that men wearing dresses doesn't make them women isn't a political stance

How do I use this card irl

>>95845494
It kinda is though, even if it's just a biological truth. She shouldn't have invoked the ire of the witch hunters.

>>95845536

>>95845452
>>95845542
>witch hunt
>witch hunters
Hmmm I wonder what colors those are

>>95844853
Too strong for standard.

>>95845547
Someone cast this in my country

>>95844879
Reddit.

>>95845565
Sure as hell ain't green, the color of things that conform to biology.

>>95845542
It is strange how so many men in what are supposed to be nerdy hobbys commit themselves to cutting their own dicks.
Does it explain how every game now is solitaire and full of weirdos who just coomsoom?

Don't you guys have drug dealers and BOPE corruption and shit to deal with over there before you can play mtg?

DC is the real Brazilian format, people are crazy about it at my LGS.

>>95845250
We already know what two sets for 2026 are: Return to Gentrified Lorwyn and Return to Transclusive Arcavios.

>>95845582
It's a fed psyop.

>>95845604
You mean every time i lurk streams or check out event or social media i see a trannies it's actually a John Glowie?

>>95845587
Escapism is an universal drug, anon. Also, nobody wants to deal with the drug dealers, our right wing is all talk and no action, the left wing actively defends and supports the culture built around the drug dealers, there's no way to get rid of them.

>>95845615
b-but int said LVLA will save Brazil

>mfw the capital of Brazil is some random town called Brasilia and not Rio De Janeiro

>>95845613
Yes. They've been grooming kids on discord for years.

Right now at this very moment, somewhere, some new player who only started playing Magic because of Final Fantasy is raging out because he got land-screwed (or some other novice-level complaint).

>>95844562
Someone said premodern at my LGS and I froze

>>95845625
What is their endgame?

>>95845035
pauper all-star: cleansing wildfire
bridge lands were a miatake

>>95845626
That person is playing EDH. Unironically, go to r*ddit, and find "new player" posts. They're all EDH.

>>95845665
A sissified male population is much easier to control, this has been known since antiquity. It's a two-pronged operation with gun control to undermine masculinity in America.

If i was in charge of the game i'd start to ban Ugin and Yuna
Also all chocobos

>>95843446
Kill yourself

also i'd ban sheltered by ghosts

>>95845666
>bridge lands were a mistake
Just looked this shit up what the fuck, I thought this conversation was about darksteel citadel why would they ever print such lands.
I say but if that shit was legal in pioneer it would be going straight in my ensoul deck

>>95845335
Jesus Christ they went absolutely insane on the advertising for this shit. JOTC is literally turning into Disney. Spending all the money they don't have on ads for shit that's going to bomb while they lie about profits.

>>95845682
Thank god I'm not murican

>>95845616
Yeah, no. The only good thing about his situation is that he's too old to run again and putting himself at the center of everything has been his strategy since the early 2000s and now there's nobody that can realistically take his place.

>>95845741
>that's going to bomb
Come on man hype for this shit was through the roof
I know multiple XIV players coming back to MTG for it

>>95844941
Deck looks cool but I can't justify going with 3 bolts and 4 blood fountains. Flips those numbers.Specially since you don't have the nuts targets for recursion like myr enforcer and chrysalis.

>>95844229
It's not like transform cards were also a "random" effect for the longest time with werewolves and whatnot.

>>95845452
My favorite modernism is trannies telling lesbians how they're allowed to behave regarding women.

>>95845745
They're everywhere, no country is safe.

>>95845570
Someone cast it in my country too, but for some reason the card says brown instead of black? Is that tournament legal?

>>95845768
I enjoy watching leftist infighting too, especially when they bring Muslims in.

>>95845542
She's free to say what she wants. The problem is all the kites and trannies at JotC who don't belong there and who are ruining the game. Not a damn one of them - hell not even the entire group of them combined has the talent Terese has in her pinky.

>>95845581
That's why green has been punished for the last decade and a half. Blue is the tranny color. Green is its polar opposite.

>>95845665
Tikkun olam - The destruction of Amalek (White people - especially males). Not even a joke. It literally colors every single thing jews do in the world right now and since they have total control it also colors every single aspect of human society right now.

dead game, dead general

The general is flourishing

>>95845682
Actually it's much more sinister than you think. It's a simple fact that the rich are all fucking perverts and have autogynephilia fetishes. All the fetishes and perversions of the rich all just blend together - sociopathy, greed, the desire to dominate and humiliate others. You can find them all in this game now and in the design team and their philosophy. It's basically FIRE design in a nutshell. All glowniggers are trannies or other assorted child molesters and perverts because they tend to come from the upper classes.

FF is the best limited set since NEO

I thought you all said this FFslop UB was a good thing because it would attract more players, but game seems deader than ever fags...

>>95845845
incredibly true

Boros/green stompy is fucking broken in draft what the fuck. All the best cards, bombs and early game snowballers are uncommons. It's insane, it also synergies well with commons

>>95845889
Plus it deals with manascrew. It's stronger than during OTJ

>>95845751
Shut the fuck up, shillbot.

What's the benefit of playing mono vs more colours?

>>95845919
You always have the lands you need. Your game plan is probably more compact and consistent.

>>95845919
Depends on the format

>>95845919
Some effects only apply to a single color.

>>95845977

>>95845919
Have access to more cards. That's it.

>>95845919
Mono is typically harder to make work due to color pie constraints. For example, red aggro can't really remove enchantments, notably including temporary lockdown, while boros aggro would have access to tools like get lost.

>destroy the t2 tifa
>get roped
fucking bots i swear to god

>>95845755
yeah, you're right. was thinking about recurring pactdoll and the 2 artifacts entering at the same time draining for 2. but 3 to the face seem to be better

why are the rare lands in ff not legendary lands? didn't wotc say they valakut was a mistake?

>>95845919
Monocolor
>don't need multicolored lands/can't get color screwed
>can double down on strength of a color
>generally faster and more consistent decks
>easier to make work; just do one thing well and win from it
Mutlicolor
>more versatile in longer games
>larger variety of cards = more options = more possible combos
>>95845977
>crusade but with the soul removed
>>95846141
>color pie constraints
>still pretending color pie exists in the current year

>>95846299
players hate legendary lands, the effects you can print on them are limited because you cant run multiples unlike creatures and its a huge feel bad moment when you legend rule your own lands
no one likes them except faggot contrarians

>>95846316
I pointed out, right in my post, one of the ways in which the colour pie obviously still exists. Increasingly bent and broken, but it's still there.

Is Squall valuable? I just pulled him (holographic). I'm a noob.

>>95846378
In your kitchen table or some commander slop? Sure. In competitive play? Nah.

having fun

>>95846375
red wins in 3 turns. It doesn't need to remove enchantments

>>95846422
this looks funner than turn 2 mouse

>>95846422
not flourishing enough

>>95845781
wild

>>95846378
As in meta or just $?

>>95845666
Nothing personell kid

>>95846574
fugg :DDD

Current meta as of June 11 for reference to see if Final Fagasy changed anything in a week or two.

why the fuck is this a 2/3 when it's a 1 drop

FUCKING DRAFT MAN FUCK

>>95846731
because le drawback

>>95845741
Wow they bought some banners that cost like $500 a piece wow

>>95846782
if you really think it costs half a grand to put those on a building you're a retard

>Draw land
>Draw land
>Draw land
>Oppo doesnt
>Oppo doesnt
>Oppo doesnt
Is this a skill issue? Who the fuck thought this was "good design"?

What's the point of these since I can't draft with them?

>>95846919
lol retard

>>95846694
Red Aggro is just to insane for how little risk it carries that you literally need to have an out for their every play or you can't do anything

>oldfag
>returning to magic to introduce the game to friend's kids
>see all the latest sets are woke as fuck
>want to make some custom decks using older cards
>realize they are also woke as fuck
This fucking game has been compromised from the start

>>95846933
they're my draft winnings, I didn't buy them by accident

>>95846946
it's not possible to win in draft
you only flood out or get screwed

>>95846961
good thing it's a 2-player game and not solitaire then

>>95846944
Your mind has been compromised bro. It's just a game.

With the insane push to aggro, they built their own grave, where t2-t3-t4 cards have to be designed to carry insane amounts of reward or else they're useless and t5 and above literal game enders

They couldn't just try to focus on designing cards for the first 3 turns that try to get more lands, nope, they had to turn every color into unga bunga least zoomers killed themselves out of boredom because they aren't getting instant dopamine rewards

>>95846919
You make sealed decks and use direct challenge with your friends.

>>95846574
best option is still cast into the fire on the artifact

>>95846919
Give them to someone.

>>95846965
it's solitaire when i have sex with your mom's bloated corpse

Sealed is FUN

Is brawl like 1-on-1 commander? Is there any difference?

>>95847089
not fun when you open garbage like I did
got absolutely fucked on my sealed token

>>95847090
Starting life is 25 instead of 40

>>95847099
You're probably just BAD

>>95847089
Sealed is just draft with more rng. Decks are less synergistic and you're more reliant on your bombs

ya sealed is SHIT
if you open sephiroth like my opponents it must be fun

big cactus is actually insane as a limited finisher, it's really not difficult at all to get trample onto it

i pulled an ardyn and a sephiroth from jump in packs
i learned that some of the rares and epics pull actually from a pool of cards

I'm playing Sephirot with Woe Strider what a fucking blast.

>>95843989
I keep looking at all these old cards from only about 3 years ago on Arena that used to be meta defining and broken. Now if you play them you will literally die. Shit is crazy.

Hello I'm Timmy. Today I will brew Sin deck in Pioneer. The goal is to drop Sin at turn 3-4 and bring back some fucked up Eldrazi or Progenitus.
I always liked Titans' Nest, but it never see much play. It will allow me to A)Ramp, B)Engineer graveyard for better Sin hits, doing both at the same time.
??
Too slow don't care, fun will be had when stars align.

I really don't want to play aggro
its boring and turns the game into more of a pachinko simulator than it already is

>>95845572
>Reddit.
Why is Reddit shit being posted here?

>>95847309
This is not a discussion anon. You will play aggro and flourish or perish.

>prices arent dropping
>prices are climbing
for fucks sake I believed my friends that we'll hit a valley 1-2 weeks after release. tell me my friends didnt lie.

>>95846965
Arena is a one-player game. You're fighting bots.

>>95847016
Can you raise a good point. Is there a way to get these stupid packs of fake cards out of my inventory? I don't want these final fantasy packs and I'm never opening them.

>>95847403
scalpers gonna scalp. next they'll propably tell to wait till the end of summer restock

>>95847433
whats there to scalp? stores get a second wave this week and the next one in july?!

Where do you guys buy collectors boosters? Is it possible for shop keeps to manipulate the packs to set aside value for themselves? I want to try pulling the serialized Chocobo but don’t trust local shops

>>95847428
>I'm never opening them.
Why not? If you want to get rid of them? When you collect everything, you will start getting gems instead rares so you can play limited more.

Whats the recommended precon of this set?

Also did tolarian college stop reviewing magic precons? Or does he always take this long? It's been a while since I actually bought a precon.

>>95844566
>>95844573
>>95844588
>those timestamps
>those responses
Yep, you're just one person seething over your pet format isn't real. Get humans to play it in the real world, and I'll give you more of my time.

>>95847483
just go with the lore you want

>>95847453
>Where do you guys buy collectors boosters?
I took my tax return and went balls deep at Games-Island and bought a case of Collector Displays for 350€ each display back in February.

>>95847491
Retard.

>>95846961
skill issue

>>95847503
Opened or sitting on? If former get anything good?

Should I buy the $200 cart of regular cards or the $200 cart of Final Fantasy preorders?

>>95847580
you should pay $10 to get the same cards from china and do something more useful with your money.

>>95847592
I also have a proxy cart going

Why people use this trading card game as some sort of stock market? Is such a ridiculous shit to use a child game as a profit system

>>95847592
I like to support the company

>>95847605
It's simpler to understand for uneducated than forex or stocks.

>>95846999
Not really, you can't cast into the fire on the draw but you can steel sabotage.

>>95847650
based

>>95847650
kino, death to UB

>>95847650
Just play premodern

I shan't be playing with this gay shit and I implore you to not engage with it either.

>>95847730
>don't engage!!!!
>comes to a place dedicated to the game
based retard

>>95847711
This.

>>95847451
called it. next you'll say it's a standard set so it wont run out

Niv-Mizzet jerking it to Ugin fucking Bolas
and by "it" let's just say... his peenits.

>>95847650
>fuck ward
based

>>95847089
Sealed is ass, way too aggressive. Missing a land drop just loses you the game, there's no way to recover or stabilise. Removal is overcosted and too rare against the bombs which are uncommons

>>95847822
next you are telling me neo-kamigawa didnt just get another wave of reprint just a month ago with booster box prices crashing since the market couldnt absorb the boxes all at once.

BLUE FUCKING SUCKS IN DRAFT

>>95847850
Bro your combat tutorial?

>>95847850
Even brainstorm can't save blue kek

Ive drafted blue twice now and cant get passed two wins
the flashbacks are just so slow to gain advantage

Fuck I was bitching in here and I totally misplayed, thanks faggots

I'm trying hard to have fun with new deck anons but... We just live in a Cutter world

>>95846919
You open them to get 20 gems for each rare and mythic you already have 4-of.

>upkeep vincent's limit break on expiring leviathan

I cast instant ramen

9 drafts and the only mythic besides lmao2bob was yuna

>>95848088
same bro, i havent hit any mythics to draft
and often i get shit rares too

>>95847345
They asked for the source.

>>95848057
fuck off, weeb

Yuna will replace Zur soon enough. What a stupid card design.

>>95847895
>Try to Brainstorm
>Opponent deals 4 damage and makes a 4/4
I LOVE POWERCREEP MAKING CARDS THAT INVALIDATE ENTIRE MECHANICS!!!

Cory steel cutter needs to be fucking banned asap

WOW FUCKING NICE TO DRAW ALL MY LANDS BUT NO SPELLS

>>95848183
I feel your pain. Today i had a game where i literally needed one ONE FUCKING spell to win and i ended drawing literally 4 lands in a row.

>>95848183
>go 3 wins with blue red
no card draw, no removal, just 7 fucking lands

>Haha answer my stuff in the first 3 turns or you are dead!!! haha interaction boi!!
Is this what Garfield intended?

>>95848183
Should've manaweaved better

>>95848218
It doesn't matter, he cashed out his chips in the game and I doubt he makes much money from UB since he has "conflicting thoughts" on it.
based as fuck for not giving a shit about tolarian faggot getting all emotional
https://youtu.be/d7nAhLCKcZg?si=xkLc3q_g_ZqKQOiL&t=2507

>>95848218
imagine thinking you'll get 3 turns

people are drafting like fucking shit
absolute uncommon bombs get sent my way all the time

>>95848183
>he doesn't play oops all spells
mdfcs and adventure and cycling lands are the saviour of this game

>>95848218
>3
try 1

>>95848337
You can manage turn 2 on the play.

So is anything seeing standard play outside of starting town

WOULD BE NICE TO DRAW SOME FUCKING SPELLS

>>95848420

>>95848397
Serious competitive play? No, just town
cecil is underwhelming but its probably next up, bob is also unplayable in this standard
even the land cycle is actually unplayable from what I can tell.

This is a one card set and its a pretty fucking good card, enables 4 color decks in standard thanks to thran portal

>>95848397
It's a pretty low powered set that was obviously designed for commander over anything else

>>95848218
Anon if you do nothing but island pass for three turns you would probably lose the game in any magic formay

>>95848449
>we are at the point that dark confidant is unplayable in standard
Fuck I feel disgusted.
Land cycle being unplayable dogshit isn’t a surprise, they’re obscenely overcosted on the adventure side for etbt lands and you can’t even play them as lands early and get the effect later.
how long before people start using Yuna to reanimate Omniscience

>>95848449
>Bob is unplayable
>UNPLAYABLE
Imagine the amount of powercreep you have to pump into your design to make Bob vanish from existence. Imagine.

>>95848513
Anon, you could have SFM, Goyf, Snapcaster, JtMS, LotV, PtE, the entire Titan cycle, Siege Rhino, and probably even Bitterblossom all legal in standard and they’d be unplayable too.

made the opponent discard the wrong card im really fucking retarded

I cast chain of smog.
Do you copy it?

>>95848549
Anon, LotV is already legal in standard

WHY THE FUCK DIDNT I GET A CHANCE TO DRAW MY FUCKING BOMBS YOU SHIT FUCKING GAME

THIS GOD DAMN FUCKING NIGGER GAME HOLDS YOU TO 2 WINS ON PURPOSE EVERY FUCKING TIME

>>95848549
You say this as if is normal or good anon... Are you ok?

>>95848494
There are an absolute ton of FF cards that are unplayable because they're just borderline when more efficient options exist in standard already thanks to the 4000 card pool.
Yuna is firmly in that category. She has ward which is decent, but still killable, and only works on your end of turn so it would be restricted to instant speed combos when other omni decks can operate at their main phase at 3-4 mana

If you're playing an omni combo your choices for cheating it out are, and I shit you not this is how many options exist at the same time:

2 mana:
>manifest dread / growing dread + splash portal / other 2 mana flickers, collector's cage, malcolm,
3 mana:
>squirming emergence, cruelclaw, clive's hideaway
4 mana:
>abuelos awakening, kona rescue beastie, reenact the crime,
5 mana:
>campus restoration, builders talent, repair and recharge, invasion of alara, invasion of tolvada, breaching dragonstorm, quintorius (the shit one), leyline of mutation,
>-Yuna, Hope of Spira- <---- you are here
6+ mana:
>portent of calamity, fetch quest, chaotic transformation, relive the past, perennation, etali, conspiracy unraveler, warped space, the world spell, redshift, triple triad I fucking guess makes this list

am I missing anything? I mean jesus fucking christ
THEY ARE ALL OMNISCIENCE SHELLS

>>95848593
No, it isn’t. The fact that pre-MH1 Modern (arguably even *post* MH1 pre MH2 modern) is arguably weaker than current standard is a fucking disgrace.

>>95848593
>>95848549
Bitterblossom would obviously be unplayable in standard
I got so power crept they reprinted it making it cost 0 life per turn and print an emberheart challenger every turn

>>95848619
You forgot that in a pinch you can also equip it to something to give it haste and trample if you somehow can’t make a token that turn.

>>95848513
I refuse to believe current std is faster than modern of bob's heyday.
In fact bob decks didn't particularly care about opposing deck's speed because they play discard to stop your game plan.
There's always a delay between new cards being available and someone winning something so everyone else can ape his deck.

>>95848665
>I refuse to believe current std is faster than modern of bob's heyday.
You best start believing in Red stories, Miss Turner... you're in one!

>>95848665
There's this card named monastery swiftspear. You may have heard of it

>>95848665
Decks in bob's heydey were incapable of dealing 20 damage in 3 turns
Standard decks do that on an average draw

you realize that a hand with just
>heartfire, manifold, monstrous rage
is already presenting 17 damage on turn 3, with 2 mana open?

The most aggressive line available to jund might hit you for 4 damage goyf swing on turn 3 and follow it up with a lightning bolt
Its common for prowess decks to hit you on turn 2 for more than jund could hit you on turn 3 with its best possible draw, I mean 2x swiftspear + monstrous rage already deals 8 damage

>>95845919
>thread full of absolute shitters
>nobody mentions the actual best reason
Access to more utility lands without diluting color requirements

>>95848777
Depends entirely on format. Utility lands in standard right now are pretty garbage because the best utility starts at grinding fountainports for 4+ mana while games are over on turn 3

I need a time traveling machine to november so I can drown in avatar waifus.

>>95847289
I'm not a pioqueer sissy but I like the synergy between these cards. 8-mulch style deck would be a good starting point if pioneer has access to those cards

Bitterblossom could make one token tarmogoyf and it'd be unplayable

>>95848265
>win on turn 2
>standard
Yup. Bullshit.

Sword to Plowshares and Dismember in all formats when?

>>95848680
>cutter
It can overwhelm people on like turn 3-5 for a turn 5-6 win. But the real problem is this little guy.

This is the coolest deck I've drafted and I couldn't win a single game
Somehow I went up against an opponent with 4 black removal spells, meanwhile I've never even seen an overkill or sephiroth's intervention in like 3 drafts
It seems every draft I'm in I can't get any decent black cards, even when I'm getting passed to from the left

>>95848913
>two 1 drops
>zero 2 drops
>seven at 5+
>a bunch of the 4+ cost noncreature synergy with only four spells that can trigger it, two of which only from flashback

>>95848955
I didnt say it was good
just said it was cool

>>95848984
fair enough

>>95848810
You know they're going to butcher their art hard, don't get your hopes up. FF got away with it because they're handled by an autistic Japanese company, Paramount has no qualms with JotC butchering the IP. I hope you're ready for random blacks to appear in a setting with no blacks.

>>95848879
The real problem is a critical mass of overpowered red aggro cards and their substitutes.

In older standard formats you'd have a single 2/2 haste for 2 like Robber of the Rich as the most aggressive card available to red, no higher damage output possible. Now there are about 10 substitutes all more aggressive than robber with more damage output. Now a 2/2 hate for 2 is a draft chaff common.

Even if you banned heartfire, cutter AND monstrous rage, red would still have swiftspear, emberheart, nemesis, lightshatter, hired claw, manifold, burst lightning, etc etc. They'd just replace cards as needed and still be the #1-10 decks in standard

>>95848874
Swords was a design mistake. While its too late to put the genie back in the bottle, the game should really be balanced around removal at 2 mana and threats at 3 mana

>>95848874
>Dismember
A weakness against red
>cool you killed my 2/2 creature on your first turn. Now you're down 4 life
>play 2/2 haste creature turn 2 and attack
>Now you're down at least 6 life
>repeat and hold on to anything I don't need to play
>opportunistically burn you down to zero at the right time
Red is to fast for this. You'd really want a one cost removal that doesn't charge you life or trigger mice. Swords is great for this. Fatal Push would be better against everything not indestructible. Fatal Push only really sucks against hearthFIRE hero where you still could take a lot of damage. With dismember, you're still paying the same amount as if mice were buffed up to a 4/4 though it's 1 less damage than destroying a 5/4 mice would hit you for. It's close enough that they'll still kill you just as fast.

Back when it was released, it was maybe 2 cards in a deck and black would rely more on disfigure (useful still since creatures didn't stack a billion +1/+1 counters on turn 1) in the sideboard. Dismembering a goblin guide that went first and hit you for 2 on turn one would put you down to 14 life in response to which on turn 2 they would just put down another creature and force you to use another removal or get to attack again lowering your life total so that they could more easily just opportunistically burn you down when you tap out.
>>95849024
Prior to 2003, the strongest one drop's were something like a 2/1 that did damage to you (the owner) if it took damage equal to the damage it took or a 2/2 zombie that did damage to you every turn.

>>95845536
>>95845977
White pride bros?

How we fix all this Red shit... Is horrible.

>>95849072
Premodern.

>>95845570
shalom rabbi

>>95849072
Bans, trust the plan this month the red menace dies.

>>95846782
>Wow they bought some banners that cost like $500 a piece wow
NTA, but...
A: If you think a building-size banner only costs $500, you're living in Candy Land.
B: Either you're intentionally not factoring in the rental costs, which makes you dishonest, or you think you can slap that supposed $500 banner on a building for free (x3), which makes you a moron. I'm not feeling generous enough to assume it was an oversight.

>>95846782
>t. high schooler

FUCK DRAFT

MTG died with the release of mirrodin. The change in card style really fucked with the atmosphere of the game. Destroyed the aesthetic. The nu-planes and then the planeswalkers and their shitty stories really fucked up the game. The art style after the change in card style was also garbage after 2003. It's much like comparing old fantasy art to newer fantasy art. Older art is generally aesthetically superior as it still had its SOVL.

The destruction of any semblance of balance was also garbage.

In summary. Old = good. New = bad.

>>95849039
>Design all threats around Swords because it's legal in Commander
>Print them into Standard where the best removal is Cut Down
ONE. NOTHING WRONG WITH ME.

nice the opponent's bahamut dodges his dark confidant

i am so fucking tired of this fucking yugioh ripoff

>>95849345
btw 100+ card deck and the guy (bot) drew every single card he needed by t4
You can't tell me these are real people

I love Tifa so damn much it's unreal.

He won.

>>95849377
Go ahead, post the lethal swing and not the removal spell.

>>95849377
>Landfall
>In Pioneer
>Where every deck is removal.exe or 1,2,3 you are dead
Anon... I...

>>95849345
Just quite playing bro. nu-mtg is slop

>>95849054
This
Previously, an aggro deck threatening a turn 3 kill only would happen on a god draw and usually was a sign of an all-in gameplan where stopping it would win you the game on the spot. Something like the most hyper aggressive decks in ZEN/SOM running Devastating Summons to blow up their own lands for immediate and low mana cost power on the board, or using 0 mana artifacts to sacrifice to Kuldotha Rebirth to get 3 1/1s for 2 cards and one red mana, and then with your remaining mana playing a kicked bushwhacker to give everything haste and +1/+0 for the turn to swing with everything immediately. A turn 1 Goblin Guide, turn 2 Kuldotha Rebirth, turn 3 Devastating Summons + kicked bushwhacker could potentially kill without interaction (2, 2, 3 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 4 + 4) but if the play failed the deck was left without lands and basically dead in the water. That’s a total of 4 cards not counting lands (summons, bushwhacker, 0 or 1 mana artifact, rebirth) and basically destroying yourself in the hopes you kill your opponent before that matters.

Meanwhile in your example you’re not even mentioning other broken aggro cards like Cori, Hired Claw, Emberheart Challenger, Monastery Swiftspear, Screaming Nemesis, Testa, or Swift-Shot Showoff. Or if your opponent has the audacity to actually try and play control you can fuck them over with stuff like Sunspine Lynx or Magebane Lizard.

The first example had access to fucking Lightning Bolt and it’s glacial compared to today’s aggro decks.

>>95849427
>>95849450
Not on Arena. It's where people play whatever the fuck.

>>95849456
I happen to hate that mouse more than all the other broken red FIRE cards.

>>95849457
This. I'm seeing BR mages, Landfall combos, Gogo Sagas, WB humans and Jeskai Hammer. People is finally brewing.

>>95849457
I see the problem you're playing ranked.

>>95849479
>having fun
>a problem
go back

>>95849266
I don't even like the post Tempest art style.
The general aesthetic peaked with Visions.

>>95849456
why... WHY IS RED ALLOWED TO HAD THIS MANY "MUST BE ANSWER" THREATS IS RIDICULOUS!!! WOTC WTF ARE YOU DOING!!!???

>>95849456
Face it, if a red deck had a choice between 4 monstrous rage 4 lightning bolt or 8 monstrous rage, it would pick the latter

>every energy player got pressured into playing other decks
>i kept playing it for a year, everyone kept commenting how broken it was
>felt like playing something else this week
>several people approached me how it is a pity everybody stopped playing energy and how the meta feels incomplete now
I don't get it, people hate to play against energy but don't want the deck gone completely from the lgs?

>>95849568
People like variety, without anything being too dominant.

>>95849493
I love this card so much. Great on offense, great on defense, and shutting down lifegain garbage feels so good.

You can ban monstrous rage and the 1 mana rat and cori steel cutter. Just don't ban this.

>>95849568
I like to find the most wide amount of deck possible. Like in other formats i'm not asking for Red to die, i'm asking for other decks to have a chance, a small chance at least.

That and be able to take a literal game step like blocking as something normal and not something i got lucky to do.

Every color should have a 1 mana instant that hoses aggro and nothing but aggro and is useless in aggro decks

Pillory {W}
Enchantment - Aura
Enchant creature
Flash
Enchanted creature has defender
At the beginning of your upkeep, you gain life equal to enchanted creature's power.

Betrayal {B}
Instant
Untap target creature attacking you and gain control of it until end of turn. It gains deathtouch and lifelink until end of turn.

Thin Air {U}
Instant
For each creature attacking you, exile that creature with two time counters on it. If it doesn't have suspend, it gains suspend.

Fog {G}
Instant
Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt this turn.

Print this but at 1 mana and only for the owner's spells and abilities and symmetrical. Mice will be exterminated.

>>95849578
>>95849600
So I should be the energy guy until the end of time?

Why are people still crying about mice in the era of cori?

>>95849644
mice are faster than cori
it's the better deck

>>95849644
Cori is bad, is an absolutely stupid card design that should be banned because they failed printing that

NOW, with that said, Mice package (Manifold, Embert and Heart) is second on retardation. Those three cards have insane synergies and not a single one of them is balanced for the price you pay. If you have to ban Cutter, that they are already late for, you should ban at least one piece of the mice tribe.

>>95849644
?????

Vincent's Limit Break dodges Battle Menu kek

>>95848721
1 removal or 1 discard stops the manifold rage from happening.
I guess back in the day red didn't have as many good hasters or cori to play from topdeck.

>>95849630
Are you stupid?

>>95849896
no

>>95849742
The gap is that you have to play against aggro like it's a combo deck because if you don't you die, except unlike a combo deck it's 40 playables 20 lands so they rebound from it very fast. Some cards, like HH, are also not effectively answered by removal because they're 1-drops with a burn death trigger, meaning that the moment it resolves you have already lost tempo regardless of what happens next. The decks don't run out of gas like they used to either because of cards like EC providing them with card advantage, or colorfixing being so easy now that they can just splash draw colors (like Prowess, since that draw still contributes to their gameplan).

>mfw Sidar into Knights of Round
Holy FUCK I am hard

>>95849945
Snuff Out but you gain 4 instead of pay 4 would save the format

Banning Mice and Cori will do nothing, they're not the only fast creatures around

>>95849983
ok red player, enjoy your whole deck getting banned in 2 weeks

>>95849983
Is a good start at least. We could ban mountains but that would leave a bunch of oonga boonga retards very angry.

>>95849986
Cope and seethe, FOMO still exists, Gruul is a thing. Just because it's slightly slower doesn't mean I won't rape your tasty ass

>>95849983
ya no creature is faster than you coming in your dad's anus in under 5 seconds

Zack who?

That's what I THOUGHT

Red is the fundamental color of MTG, now and forever. Cope and seethe, mono blue will never be a thing, mono white will never exist either. Wanna play something else? There's EDH for you fag, 60 cards is about killing your fucking opponent, not hurrr durrr milling them

RED DECK WINS
RED DECK WINS
AWOOOOO

>>95850083
>Playing Mountains
>Playing OP cards like mice and Nemesis
>Bragging about it
You deserve the rope.

>>95850096
TRVTHNUKE

>>95850096
Red is what defines a bad MTG player, so congratulations.

ngl goonmander kinda looking nic--- and it's the same cancerous shit if you don't play with your irl friends, which you do not have

FUCKING NIGGER SHIT NICE PEELS OFF THE TOP OF YOUR LIBRARY YOU SICKLE CELL FUCK

>>95849687
Cori at least is a single mistake. It took everyone a week after it was revealed to go “oh god this is busted”, so I can’t even fault WoTC that much for missing it when normally the mistakes get spotted by the playerbase immediately.
The mice are just so absurdly pushed across the board that it’s mindboggling. Emberheart alone is a better “card draw engine creature with a drawback” than dark confidant that also is a 2/2 haste with prowess, fireheart scales out of control way too much for a 1 drop while also punishing removal, and manifold basically being a double strike lord for 1R is mindboggling. Even some of the mice that don’t see play are still dumb, like Mabel being a +1/+1 lord that comes with a equipment, or whiskervale forerunner letting you potentially cheat creatures out of your deck like it’s CoCo on legs. It’s mindboggling.

>>95850120
Red decks are most high IQ decks to pilot and brew, ruby storm, izzet, belcher.... You always have to optimise damage, consistent, goldfish rates in a extreme hostile environment. It takes a good player to pilot red aggro in modern mtg where everyone runs removal and a exceptional one to brew a successful red deck

>>95848721
I just played an Arena game where my opponent dealt me 60 plus damage on turn 4 with an elves deck. It was so bad I dealt zero damage that game. Craterhoof of course and Elvish Archdruid where the culprits that game. Hell neither of those are even new. And neither of them should ever have been printed. The fact that people think Elvish Archdruid isn't even that good which is literally gaea's fucking cradle on a stick but also pumps all your elves is insane.

>>95850166
But they have Valiant instead of Heroic which means they're weaker.

>>95850106
UBslop kneels before the miceGODS

If i was in charge of the game i'd ban so much shit everyone would quit because they cant autopilot their solved piles

>>95849266
Threadly reminder: Mirrodin is yet another of nosewater's pet projects. The biggest failures in this game are all his. Literally what this game is right now is entirely his doing.

Imagine new players coming into the game and getting fucked over and over by aggro shit
ah no wait, there are no new players, just women getting wet over clive destroying another franchise

What's the best 4/5c slop deck for modern?

>>95850286
Its probably the same 4c slop for standard that wins the game on turn 3

>>95850261
Fuck you, Mirrodin ruled even if Affinity was broken and Skullclamp was mindbogglingly dumb.
MtG didn’t start going downhill overall until Theros, didn’t actually start going to shit until Eldraine 1, and didn’t hit the point of complete shit until they went all in on UB.

How the fuck does a Vorthos cope with Final Fantasy being in standard?

>>95850304
zoomer

>>95850304
There are some okay things about Mirrodin in general, but it said a lot of bad precedents, as with every nosewater original production. Did anyone really believe that unserious bullshit was going to become standard normalized? You know who to blame.

MtG died with Unlimited. Beta is acceptable only because of Volcanic Island.
Everything past that killed Magic forever.

>>95849644
You play them in the same deck, moron.

>>95850304
>Mirrodin ruled

>>95849361
They're not and I won't.

I really want to like MtG but damn the games makes it difficult

>>95850339
Why the fuck would you want to like this absolute fucking shit pit of a game?

>>95850304
There are obvious stages to magics decline
It wasn't all one big shitfuck at a single point

Eldraine 1.0 is when {design} started to get bad, but {balance} was still workable, not great, but not retarded. Cards got stupidly complex, too many modes, too much text, cards were self-enabling combos. The thematics of high fantasy were thrown out the window and we got fucking shrek. There's nothing in Eldraine comparable to the total catastrophe of balance we see in standard right now. They weren't whoring out the game with a dozen sets, supplemental products, collector boosters, serialized cards, universes beyond, etc etc. That all came later.

There are various other watersheds in magic's history
Planeswalkers being added and the direction of the post-time spiral game
Mythics and the overt monetization and exploitation
Marvel superfriends plotlines trying to push nu-walkers
and we're in one right now with the Lord of the Rings / Final Fantasy UB era

>>95850341
I'm lonely and depressed and don't have shit else to do
i mean ey i really want to fucking die
or preferably everyone else

>>95849488
>NOOOOOOOO!!! YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!!! SHITTIER ART AND BORDERS IN OVERALL AESTHETICS ARE ACTUALLY BETTER!!!!
Premodern border nostalgia fags are the absolute worst of the worst. Old dog shit can't even touch this block for fun, aesthetics, you name it.

https://scryfall.com/sets/ala?as=grid&order=set

Alara was the actual peak of MTG. Unfortunately it was also the introduction of mythic rare which was the beginning of the end after planeswalkers.

>>95850361
>sperg has another shit take
shocking

>>95850348
Anon, Eldraine had as many cards in it banned out of standard as the entirety of Urza’s block put together.
Even ignoring that, the next set introduced Uro, Underworld Breach, and Thassa’s Oracle. The set after that had companions, a mechanic so broken a card with it was briefly banned from Vintage for being too broken until they did power level errata on the mechanic itself. And Triomes. And the first crossover outside of silver border cards, even if it was done in the least stupid way.

Why does prowess trigger with artifacts?

>>95850373
My favorite one is still picrel.

>ThIs ToOk Me LiKe 5 sEcOnDs To FiGuRe OuT

I think the majority of sets pre-Theros had nice design in terms of both art and game mechanics

>>95850419
This is why I play standard so I don’t have to have my immersion shattered by crossover shit.

>>95850391
And yet, those cards while strong and meta warping, didn't actually end the game and stop you from playing. They just provided oodles of slow advantage.
That's almost laughable today, who the fuck would even play Oko if he was legal in standard right now? You turn my 3/3 heartfire hero into a 5/5 elk? Okay

Only companions were broken enough that they'd see play and only because it doesn't take up a card slot

nice when you dont get to draw any fucking cards

>>95850373
>NOOOOO!! WHEN I SAID IS OLD AND STUPID AND THEREFORE RIGHT!!!
Literally get a life.

>>95850442
stfu retard

>>95850436
Anon...

>>95850437
>Oko
>not playable
The literal best planeswalker ever printed would 100% see play in standard.
Next you’ll tell me that eldraine 1 is dogshit compared to modern standard sets

>>95850419
Dude really went out of his way to put those cards together and embarrass himself kek

>>95850455
Fine, I’ll admit it. It’s only half the reason. The other half is that modern basically rotates with every MH set released so I might as well stick with the cheaper format. Not having to see crossover shit is just a bonus.

>>95850348
Yep, pretty good summary. And I can tell you're not a shillbot cause you're not adding stupid shit like oh my god sixth edition killed the game. You hit all the points. Planeswalkers, mythic rare, UB shit, etc.

I honestly like landcycling creatures
too bad they're too slow for the modern game

>>95850461
You said the same thing about bob
About llanowar elves
About a dozen other reprints
Hell nobody was even saying it anymore for trash like baneslayer angel. Remember that? It got reprinted and nobody even noticed

What does oko do against an aggro deck filled with 1 drops and cori steel that kills you on turn 3? What does oko doe against someone discarding omniscience on their end of turn and reanimating it and winning on thes pot? What does oko in a control mirror against zur overlord and leyline bindings and beanstalks?

Oko would see ZERO play. At least Kaito can see some borderline play because he can tap down an aggro creature and recur drowner to tap down another and draw cards
Oko is from a time when people actually tried to throw 5 mana 5/5 angels at each other as a 'finisher'

>>95850502
We are listening, expect some landcycling creatures in MH4.

This kills the mice
This kills the monks

>>95850474
You missed the point. Final Fantasy IS in standard.

>>95850573
Great. Now we need this in every colour.
In EVERY single format.
And you know what? Make it kill artifacts too.

>>95850524
Please. MH4 is going to be five cards printed for zero mana that just say "You in the game".

>>95850518
Oko is deceptively good, he's banned in legacy for a reason. Against aggro, make a food pass is pretty strong. It threatens an endless stream of 3/3s, life gain, or just taking their guy/cutter. If dealt with immediately he still gained you 9+ life. Aggro was basically unplayable before he got banned.
I don't think he'd be oppressive or even the best deck, but he'd definitely be playable.

>>95850461
Oko was from a Standard where Embercleave was the big aggro payoff. Red has Embercleave's effect baked into all its creatures now from turn 0

>>95850678
I have an RDW but I've been brewing since Eldraine that used to be my fast deck I would play when I wanted to end the game quick. This deck is now getting blown the fuck out by just the crap that's in standard right now. Fervent Champion isn't even good enough to go in the deck anymore.

Oko was more fun and felt more balance than Cori+Mice.
Prove me wrong. Hell even pic related feels funnier.

Anywhere I can get hi-res art of some cards?
It's not for proxying tho, I saw a couple of cool lands and I would like to print them and hang them

>>95850663
If you tapped out for oko on turn 3 against aggro and made a food, pass, I would fucking annihilate you with literally any aggro deck that has made a top 8 of any small japanese tournament in the past 2 years
Aggro was unplayable against oko because the threats were cards like bonecrusher giant, lovestruck beast, etc. Big dumb creatures with no abilities, 3+ mana cost, no haste.

Oko was ""oppressive"" in a format one step removed from Baneslayer Angel being meta. Wicked wolf, murderous rider, rotting reggie, anything with cavelier in the name, lmao.
Oko today would do literally nothing. No decks are playing creatures big enough to turn into an elk or take two turns to steal. 5 mana to gain 3 life won't stabilize you against aggro. Making a single 3/3 blocker won't do anything.
He's useless against swarms of prowess monks & mice
He's useless against burn damage and slickshots in the air
He's useless against omni combos
He's useless against control in general

The top two decks in the last mtgo event were UW omni and gruul leyline of resonance, in both cases if you tap out for oko you lose the game.

>we are seeing the days were people miss me
is this blatant incompetence or actually impressive wickedness?

>>95850764
Yes.

I don't miss anything. It all sucks. JotC has not made a good game. In spite of the premodern fag's shilling, premodern has the same problem in regards to aggro. I don't care if Stiflenought is 11% of the tournaments. It still will consistently lose to goblins, RDW, and elves. Same thing with most of the control. Loses to RDW, goblins, and elves. Don't be deceived by the numbers on MTGtop8.

>>95850764
>I cast Oko
>I die to a bunch of mice and a knife
What a disaster and they literally don't know how to balance this game and what's wore they make shit more and more stupid.

>>95850803
You're dumb.

>>95850304
MTG started to go downhill immediately in Mirrodin. Mirrodin and Ravnica had all the proto-FIRE elements popping up everywhere.

>>95850826
>No arguments
I accept your concession.

>>95850598
Can someone just go back in time and slap me for ever getting into this games
It’s one thing if it’s reskins or not standard legal
I do not want to play standard and die to a literal video game waifu

>ppl being able to enjoy setting
I'm jelly

>Bein' able to rape other's fun with your IP
Me too. God I WISH Jace would go and ruin other games just so I could dance on their grave

>>95850764
Oko would be unplayable in todays standard

>>95850764
>3 mana
>in blue green colors (weak removal)
>against mice that routinely win on turn ~3 even against decks that spend all of their mana up to that point on hard removal
Good luck, bro!

it's not FAIR I just want to treat others like they have treated me JUST LET ME RAPE OTHER FRANCHISES
let Jace RAAAPE

>>95850833
All nosesquatter's doing, btw.

>>95850976
Oh my god that would be fucking hilarious. We need to cram Jace into other IPs. Starting the Final Fantasy for this shit.

Bonus sheets should not be limited playable. Full stop.

>>95851068
hehe, I dovin veto'd your shit

Apparently people are trying to make bird tribal work
They will fail and I will be grateful to the mice for once because the alternative would be UBslop dominating standard

>>95851083

You are a mad faggot because Chocobos look great but also you seem retarded beceuse the tribe is actually really strong

>>95851083
>UBslop dominating standard
That's the plan, it's gonna happen sooner or later.

>>95851076
>Dovin's Veto
The bonus sheet has counterspell. Watched theham get counterspelled into cryptic command in one of the first early access drafts.
Set also has Ragavan, Smugglers Copter, Urza, Adeline, Yawgmoth, and Traxos. This is probably the most miserable sealed format I've ever played.

>>95851186
good final fantasy is more interesting than magic lore

>>95851285
>I play magic for the lore
faglord

>>95851226
The bonus sheet has no counter spell.

I PLAYED SO FUCKING BADLY IM SO FUCKING PISSED

>>95851344
nigger, also why almost none of the art of the FCA matches the card it represents?

I CANT BELIEVE I LOST THAT FUCKING GAME IM SO FUCKING RETIRED

>>95851327
>I play magic
fagking

If you don’t actually enjoy Magic why even be here in first place?

>>95850304
By not playing FF cards because they're already used to being the only one playing theme decks and having a 30% winrate? Do you think Bolas tribal was ever playable?

>>95850304
>How does a Vorthos cope?
By playing EDH where the average player is so shit you can run them over with Bolas tribal.

>>95851425
Basic bitch bot shill propaganda technique in 2025. Actually this thing is bad but also buy product but also it's not for you but also buy product. What's weird is that these stupid fucking corpos think this shit works when it clearly doesn't. But hey when 80% of your budget comes from CIA dark funds and NGOs you have the privilege of insulting your customer base while also demanding they give you money, while also getting compensated for turning your corporation into a profitless scam.

>>95851492
what does the dark funders benefit from this?

>>95851492
What the fuck are you talking about, Schizophrenic man?

I think it's about time to close this thread. No more new /mtg/ threads. The game is dead.

I think it's time to hit the gym fatass

>>95851546
Tikkun olam

You know, I used to defend nips and have respect for them, but after this Final Fantasy bullshit it's really shined a light on how fucking cringy they are. For some reason I guess I just didn't really notice it before. I think it's because it's so concentrated now. They've taken every cringe-inducing line of dialogue and shoved it into a few pictures.

>>95851706
alright settle down, final fantasy is better than any western shit

History lesson

The biggest reason people hated oko when you played against him is how stupidly hard he was to remove. He would keep neutralizing creatures and shutting down the opponent's board or churning out more (slow) threats, and decks really lacked ways to kill him. Even if he was in standard he would be hard to kill, 6 loyalty is gigantic
The reason he'd still be trash in right now is that you don't need to remove him
Every deck wins the game with tools that oko can't interact with. He can't do shit against haste flying creatures, mass tokens, combos, etc etc. Oko can come down and +2 and make a food and so what? Opponent will just totally ignore that oko exists. He could make a 3/3 creature the next turn and good job you've effectively played a 3/3 for 3 that can't block its first turn. I mean fucking hell you can't block aggro with fog bank or glissa or 0/8 for 2 what do you think an elk can do

If you're trying to win the game with a bonecrusher giant and lovestruck beast sure oko gums up the board and doesn't die. The only thing he'd do against cori steel cutter or slickshot showoff or esper pixie or jeskai control is... lose. Look at the list of most played creatures in standard, which ones would care about oko? Sheoldred and oculus pretty much

WOW THE GAME FUCKING FLOODED ME OUT AGAIN

unsubscribed

Is it autistic to bring food to share for FNM? LGS does open tables and a group of 4 or 5 of us play together, while the rest of the people in there usually play commander. At the end of the night I go around and offer the leftovers to the other tables. I've never had to take any home, so people seem to like them well enough.

I've been trying to bake but I don't want to have 2 dozen cookies for just myself so that's how I get rid of them. The last two weeks it's been cookies and magic bars.

>>95851720
You bought the new Switch, didn't you?

>>95850764
>Target creature becomes 3/3 elk
I cast rage on my elk, swing for 6. GG!

You could put Oko and Uro in standard and nothing would change. The level of powercreep is unreal

>>95851876
>wah wah the Switch is too expensive im a poor fag
I didn't get it but you poorfags are cringe as shit, make some more money, kiddo

>>95851794
The real reason people hated Oko is that grindy midrange mirrors are the most skilltesting, fraud exposing matchups in the game and decision trees make trannies who play linear, sequencing-based decks(prowess) seethe.

>>95851794
>hard to kill
Not if you're playing black. Black has a dozen ways to directly remove planeswalkers from the board.

>>95851874
Put laxatives in your cookies.

>>95851950
Laxatives and weed.

i played 4 pre-releases :)

>>95851913
>

>>95851874
>is it autistic to be friendly with people?

>>95851992
>>95851992
>>95851992

>>95851909
How far back do you need to go in terms of standard before you hit decks that could actually compete with modern day mice nonsense?
Omnath.dek? Saheli + Felidar Sovereign? Splinter Twin? Caw Blade? Jund Cascade? Faeries? Jitte decks? Ravager Affinity?
Do we have to go back to fucking Combo Winter to find decks able to deal with mice and cutter?

>>95851794
I think you are underestimating how good Oko is at stabilizing games.
It's not just +2 make food. It's +2 make a food, then swap the food for your threat or change it for a blocker, in a usually Bant midrange shell that is designed to handle threats that Oko can't.

Oko is a threat in and of itself, and a game-ending threat too. No other planeswalker stabilizes games as strongly and as unbreakably as him. He is life gain and removal, he turns all your tokens into threats. The guy just kicks dick and doesn't apologize.

You run him alongside things that solve problems he can't. He solves all the other problems, and wins the game on top of it.

>>95851909
>I cast rage on my elk, swing for 6. GG!
I Ride's End it.

>>95852002
>How far back do you need to go in terms of standard before you hit decks that could actually compete with modern day mice nonsense?
Nothing competes. But certain Standard formats had tools that would be able to deal with the current format, if you built decks specifically for this format.

>>95851874
If you're buying food with the intention of bringing it to share it's alot more autistic than baking and bringing it along, or bringing along food for yourself and offering it to a friend. The legacy playgroup at my LGS is tightly knit and I bring along some baking for the end of year gameday which is always followed by cube, but not for every normal event we play. Make sure to list any allergens too, I usually just write on a stickynote.

>Get in time machine and go back 10 years
>Show them this card
>What parody set is this from?
>This is Ravnica
>Please help me commit seppuku
>Yes.

>>95852113
Instant Ramen.

>>95852113
>buddy got a Ragavan in prerelease, played it against someone who stopped playing before MH1
>the guy was asking other people if it was a real card

>>95852113
Why would a sphinx need a detective hat? It was used to blend in the crowd when stalking someone.

If they want to do retarded hat sets they should at least do a swimsuit set featuring all the girls in bikinis