Piping Hot Leaks edition

Previous Heresy: >>95835058

>HH 3.0 Leaks
<slash>folder<slash>xvFRwJgL#0t06syVjdBLnv1Bzwg9kzA<slash>folder<slash>sycmxDYY

>New Edition Soon™
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
https://youtu.be/1bZW7ANLaA0

>New to The Horus Heresy? Here’s Everything You’ll Need to Get Started
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics
>HH1 Black Books
<slash>folder<slash>xvFRwJgL#0t06syVjdBLnv1Bzwg9kzA<slash>folder<slash>Br0lUTKb
>HH2 Rules and Supplements
<slash>folder<slash>xvFRwJgL#0t06syVjdBLnv1Bzwg9kzA<slash>folder<slash>9vkDEDLD
>Miscellaneous Extras (Visions and Old Rules)
<slash>folder<slash>xvFRwJgL#0t06syVjdBLnv1Bzwg9kzA<slash>folder<slash>Ij1RgTpS

『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Adeptus Titanicus Rules and Supplements
<slash>folder<slash>xvFRwJgL#0t06syVjdBLnv1Bzwg9kzA<slash>folder<slash>IitjDJBT
>Legions Imperialis Rules and Supplements
<slash>folder<slash>xvFRwJgL#0t06syVjdBLnv1Bzwg9kzA<slash>folder<slash>1qsVVTjT
Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

>Thread question:
Knee-jerk reactions to Leaks, go

>>95843320 (OP)
>TQ
- Force Org feels a bit weird, but may well be good. Probably the biggest change systemically.
- Deep Strike is now good for tanky melee units and ranged units only. This is bad.
- Very much a ranged edition, moreso than 2.0
- WS Chart bad (but not enough to offset above)
- BS Chart good
- A lot is riding on the Libers
- Reaction fixes seem fine?

>>95843320 (OP)
>Knee-jerk reactions to Leaks, go

There's more that I like than hate so far.
Curious about the volley attacks I've seen mentioned a couple places.

>>95843320 (OP)
>>Knee-jerk reactions to Leaks, go
I am tired of James. This company. I am tired of being caught in the tangle of their editions.

>>95843320 (OP)
>TQ:
Bit of a mix of feelings but I’m a lot less doomer now than before. Definitely excited to try the new edition now

>>95843320 (OP)
>TQ
I don't hate it. A lot of little things that I really like, the force org is.. something I'm still trying to wrap my head around, and that's about it for now. Like anon said I definitely think the Libers are going to be the make or break now; I would be very sad if we got all this interesting stuff only for us to get 40k style wargear options. Still, so far I have an overall positive view of things.

>>95843320 (OP)
>TQ
>Force Org
cautiously optimistic
>Deep Strike ultra nerf
house ruling to allowing charge, this is straight up not fun
>Duel phase
skipping for the whole edition, no one I play likes challenges, and would rather just kill their own character unless its a primarch.
>No rerolls, everything is a modifier
Oddly like this one
>Snap shots arent always BS1
Weird change but it seems it wont really matter
>WS Chart
Seriously?
>blast 1d6, no mods
I hate this, I play 30k for old hammer, not edition churn.
>Statuses
Interesting, but making every status initiative 1 and no nothing is too far. I suspect this will get house ruled depending on how may weapons cause them
>Vehicles take addition hull points for duplicate status
Vehicles are going to suck again, huh?
>Melta 3 or 6 damage
Yep, they sure are

30k is going to be a 3 year cycle going forward, changing things literally just to change them and sell a new edition. This i ahte the most.

>>95843320 (OP)

- With the way Challenges now work, Primarch duels will actually finish in one turn, so long as the attacking player decides to keep going until one dies
- Force Org is a detachment of detachments with cool flexibility
- My flyers might actually live to see the tabletop
- Everyone charging gets to (snapshot)? when attacking but the defenders also get a free (snapshot)? overwatch (volley)???

>>95843320 (OP)
>your 1 High Command unlocks 1 Apex Detachment
>your 3 Commands unlocks up to 3 Auxiliary detachments
>the 2 Commands in your Allied detachment can unlock up to 2 Auxiliary Allied detachments
Do I understand correctly?

>>95843320 (OP)
>TQ
Too much info in a bunch of images without wider context. I'll just wait for the full thing and read it with thought.

>>95843375
>40k style wargear options
The leaks mention something that implies we've still got granular points costs.

>>95843320 (OP)
>TQ
New force org is cool
The new weapon profiles scare me
The biggest thing that'll decide this edition for me is the libers, because if they're garbage I'm just gonna stick with 2.0 and homebrew in the new units.

>>95843320 (OP)
>TQ
>Force org
I can make it do what I want it to, so that is good. Now waiting on army lists to see what survived.

>>95843385
No, No, Yes(ish)

Command and High command unlock your choice of one Aux or Apex detachment. If you have all 4 command/high command slots filled you get 4 total extra detachments of aux or apex. Any command slots in those detachments also unlock aux or apex detachments.


The commands in your allied detachments unlock a Aux or Apex allied detachment

Exception is the Special assignment advantage.

leaker anon here, going to bed but let me know what else you’d like to see. I’ll check on the thread in the morning.

>>95843445
If you can post wtf volley is before you go to bed everyone will love you.

Thank you for the images.

>>95843445
Breaching and rending rules if they haven't been posted already I'm asking before I go through the pictures.

>>95843445
whatever's in the pamphlet for saturnine miniatures please!

>>95843445

No requests, just thanks Anon

>>95843445
Based leaker anon, bringer of rules, smiter of James, can we get the charge phase rules? As well as any sort of indication as to what happened to Instant Death? (maybe damage mitgation is unavailable if you get doubled or something?)

Will the saturnine dread have any combat options? (similiar to when GW did not include all of the contemptor's sprues in AoD)

Is precision still a thing?
What's the deal with airplane food?

Did leak anon say if he was going to do pics from the libre ? So far these are all from the base rule book right?

>>95843477
>what happened to Instant Death? (maybe damage mitgation is unavailable if you get doubled or something?)
He answered this one already, there's nothing

>>95843454
Kchow

>>95843445
Picture of the WS table
Charge rules
More vehicle rules
Pretty pretty please

>>95843479
Nvm I’m retarded

>>95843479
He doesn't have the libers, only what's in saturnine

>>95843320 (OP)
Am I reading this right? You'll only ever get 3 elite choices? It seems they're recategorized into shock assault, recon, and fast attack. So maybe it's not that big of a deal.

>>95843463
Breach

>>95843463
Rend
>>95843477
I’ll shoot the charge phase over tomorrow
Funny enough the saturnine dread and autocannon thing aren’t even started in the quick game book, no clue on any of its options beyond the included disintigrator and plasma
Precision is there, will post tomorrow

Can someone post the Weapon skill chart, I want to see if they fixed the whole "ws4 hits on 5s against WS5" bullshit?

>>95843496
WS chart is 2.0s
Too lazy to get book but here’s some veteran thing I had in my camera roll

>>95843445
If you can post Pursue rule please.

>>95843493
>Lethal hits fixed, but 30k edition
So rending and shred would stack, interesting.

>>95843320 (OP)
>TQ
Like 85% ok with the changes, 15% not so much.
I have gone from : Cautiously optimistic to anxiously worried, to finally presently content.
- Moving and shooting heavy weapons is still a problem and is gonna be the cause of a lot of pain this edition i know it.
- I cant judge deep strike yet until i see RoW i suspect we will see a ROW for it, and or the warmonger doing something with it.
- FOC seems pretty ok, but wanna see ROW
- Vehicle changes seem great IMO
- Feels super shooty favored which idk how its gonna be but we will see. Perhpas overwatch returnfire being a bit trimmed down it might not be as bad but lets see.

>>95843490
>>95843493
Thank you, Anon, I feel no pleasure but I am grateful for your efforts.

>>95843503
FUCK, I hate that chart so much, my world eaters will probably suffer for another edition

>>95843320 (OP)
Man, I was debating dropping out of the game entirely, but I'm not so sure now. Part of me wants to start fresh and pack up my night lords. I was thinking maybe Iron Hands for something totally different, but the rules made me question if I'd like their list building. I dunno where I'm at right now.

>>95843419
the allied detachment box mention that "an allied detachment may include auxiliary detachments" so they can't take apex

>>95843320 (OP)
TQ:
Deep strike charges were bullshit, but this feels like too heavy a swing in the opposite way

2.0 WS chart sucks

Force Org looks needlessly complicated

Challenges seem stupidly complicated to an unfun way

But everything else looks fine for the most part.

>>95843445
allies

>>95843528
hmm, missed that

>>95843481
neat, old overwatch is back but only with assault weapons

>>95843530
>challenges
So the big issue i have with challenges is that 9/10 times challenges are goin to boil down to the focus roll.
Who ever wins the focus role is probably just going to win the challenge since winning that means you swing first.

Talking with my buddy i play with, we might make it so during events we just dont use the challenge rules or just use the old challenge system.l

>>95843445
Please a pic of armorbane. I wanna know how busted lascannons are.

>>95843548
well considering they are just 1d if you move with them, and ID is gone so, if they are standing still they are deadly otherwise nah.

Alright a proper battle report now.
Blackshields vs Raven Guard. I lost hard. Super hard. I just rolled like shit all game for every 1 or 2 I rolled my opponent rolled a 5 or 6. I was playing my buddy so we were having fun but I was just getting trashed so I got salty which I fucking hate feeling but I was just getting beat down like nobody's business.
3k game I killed 2 RG units in their entirety and lost just about fucking everything in mine. Best I got was about 5 casualties in another squad.

>>95843556
atleast you can run all your consuls at once in the new edition

>>95843545
The issue is that most challenges will be between a charecter designed for a challenge vs someone not designed for one. Like a praetor vs a consol, because no one would willingly walk their hero into a combat where they could be threatened by a challenge, so they will just be pub stomps anyway, this just adds more time and issue to it.

>>95843503
please share how Damage mitigation works! I'm interested to learn if it's per wound or per damage.WHN4G

So games are going to be longer?

>>95843556
Turn 1 I lost a leviathan to 40 mor deadnime rending shots. Even if the guy survived it wouldn't have done anything I was stuck in a corner of the table staring at 17 nemisis bolters. I'd kill this rhino and 2 dudes but the sergeant artificer tanked like 12 heavy flamer hits.
>>95843445
For gods sake Anon, blessed of the generous, please tell me if artificer tanking still exists. If it does I'm out. Just out.

>>95843503
Just tell me who else can have them already! My Seekers are in pieces until I know if they can have at least combis or if even the Sarge is stripped of the ability.

>>95843445
Blast, Unit Types, and anything mentioning Autocannons

>>95843481
Oh damn that's actually really cool. Since presumably it's going to be mostly pistols that have assault that's kind of a reason to have them

>>95843579
Why don't the pictures orientate properly on my laptop of they show up normally on windows, fuck off
Anyway so the jetbikes would duck behind a building with the RG advanced reaction and the seekers would put themselves in the open because of it and the arcus would immobilize itself because of it but at least because of their morale the jetbikes wouldn't actually do anything for the rest of the game until they were killed two turns later.
Two turns out of three.

>>95843445
Weapon profiles, and special rules please.

>>95843629
Seconded

>>95843481
Thank you sir

>>95843611
Turn 2 when all the RG came down from deepstrike is where shit got started. The seekers were pinned. The deredeo and a vet squad intercepted the dark furies and killed 2, another vet squad intercepted an assault squad and killed 3. I held the line with the vet squad in front of the furies and the deredeo had its last 2 wounds taken by the assault marines.
I bitched uproariously about nemisis bolters. My opponent would pink 3 wounds off the deredeo, 3 hull points off the arcus, and 2 hull points off the knight because some fucking asshole made them rending instead of breaching.

>>95843445
FNP rules

>>95843645
The exploding deredeo killed 2 of my vets. The champion would finish off a sergeant in melee but all the vets there would only kill one or two more birds in combat between shit rolls, artificer tanking, and dying-before-their-initiative-step.
The champion would live with 1 wound but would roll 4 2s trying to kill a second sergeant and be slice-and-diced when the preator interrupted the duel.
Blackshields just don't have a response to an elite melee squad backed up by characters. The plane I made to counter that unit went exactly as I hoped it would and I still only killed like four or five of them with like 600 points of models.

Also reminder to give a shoutout to the original supply chain thief for stealing a bunch of boxes, which give us these leaks in the first place.

>>95843445
Did you have to pay a lot for your box?

>>95843594
anon just has the core rule book, not the army lists

>>95843675
My second leviathan was gunned down over a few turns with no way of closing the distance and no real way of reaching the hiding mor deadhime that were hiding.

>>95843445
Night Fighting and Fear if they still exist.

>>95843680
Wrong answer.

>>95843687
'Fear' is in the leaks you mongrel

>>95843686
The biggest joke of the match was the lancer. 400 points and in its first combat it managed to kill 2 assault marines with its stomp action because the shock lanced whiffed all of its brilliant 4 attacks (after hold the line denied its 5th attack).
Artificer tanking ensured its shooting did fuck all, and it would just barely manage to kill 1 deliverer and 3 jetbikes.

>>95843687

>>95843694
I was still reading them and hadn't gotten there yet.

>>95843709
I edited the image in paint why the fuck is it still rotated?
Anyway the loss of my small vet squad let me experience the funny sensation of the master of signals joining the unit of tarantulas because they are infantry to unleash 24 heavy bolter shots at BS3 instead of BS2 and it took about 20 of those shots to kill the 1 artificer armor sergeant that they could see.
Anyway I love playing with my friend but fuck me it seems I can never roll for shit. I guess I need new dice.

>>95843445
Oh this is an important one: How does damage allocation work?
2.0 letting you just allocate wounds anywhere you want in a unit so you can do dumb stuff with arty armour was always a shitty decision IMO, that's much more gamey than 'closest first'.

>>95842546
So it's possible to make an army of one crusade detachment consisting of only one centurion - and then 17 allied detachments also of one centurion each?

>>95843445
Any rule for it will not die?

>>95843385
>>95843419
So Blackshield Anon can finally field all his HQs?

>>95843445
Not sure, but thanks anyway.

>>95843752
>So Blackshield Anon can finally field all his HQs?
Yes.

So do I understand the force org stuff right? Multiple 'command' choices are functionally mandatory for an army that has any real degree of diversity, but as long as you spam lots of command choices you can effectively just take anything you could possibly want?

Seems kinda cool while also kinda just dumb. If I want to field a 100 basic goons now I gotta take more hq dudes just to unlock them.

Also the endless challenge minigame thing sounds hilarious on a meta level. Can you just make some kinda turtle captain, be as defensively tank as possible, use defensive gambits and just stall the other player with 2 hours of resolving a single challenge in the one phase.

>>95843760
Wait, with how these detatchments work, does that mean you can have a legal army that is just 30 centurions or whatever?
Primary detatchment + infinite number of officer detatchments?

Herohammer gooooo

You can take 5 troops with the primary Detachment alone if you pick logistics as your prime benefit, then you can get another 2 off of the one command if you only fill up the prime slot. Then each additional HQ gets you two more.

>>95843445
Stats for destroyers please

>>95843787
Meant for >>95843776

>>95843791
Please you retarded Albanian read the thread he doesn’t have the libers

>>95843776
Seems like you can take whatever you want (or don't want in a detachment)

>>95843320 (OP)
Why they had to change unit icons that worked for 30 years? Why?

>>95843734

>>95843836

Anyone have some good alpha legion recipes? I've been trying the contrast over a bright silver and not super happy with how it looks.

>>95843854
I've noticed that airbrushing contrast on silver does a better coating. I used kroxigor scales over stormhost silver worked really good.

>>95843827
Originality!

>>95843836
hey, 40 points for 8 heavy bolters which you can bolster with a techmarine. I fucked up their deployment but someone with more chops might do better than me.
Of course new edition new rules and their new price is a joke so whatever.

>>95843445
>>95843445
Can you make an album with what you've posted so far?

>>95843918
https://imgur.com/a/5U2Wkq8 from last thread

>>95843562
>>95843752
>>95843760
Today I...I don't want to.

>the number of Auxiliary or Apex Detachments available to a given Army is determined by the number of Command and High Command Force Organisation Slots filled in any Detachment in the Army.
So do the two Command slots in an Officer Cadre detachment give you two more Officer Cadres? Truly there are many heads to the hydra.

>>95843962
Honestly funny idea I saw is you can cosplay a movie Marines kill team mission where both players take nothing but command choices with 1 high command. Would work even better if missions are more complex and need int tests to activate or something. Gotta take a team of specialists for an extremis level objective.

>>95843932
Thanks!

>>95843741
looks that way, as long as they're all different Legions

>If someone denies your challenge, their whole squad gets i1 and other status debuffs.
I dunno guys, challenges look pretty good

>The Warhammer Design Studio have been pretty happy with where the game has been for the last few years, and they’ve seen this new edition as the opportunity to reinvestigate the core systems and make improvements – rather than making wholesale changes.
>This is very much the same Horus Heresy game you know and love, and the team have made targeted refinements to a system that already works really well, making changes only where necessary and adding flavour wherever they can.
Bruh is there a single rule they haven't changed? What the hell would "wholesale" changes have meant if these are just "targeted refinements."

Do we have up-to-date legion power rankings yet? I'm looking to start heresy and I want to play at least middle A faction.

>>95843962
The way I'm reading it is that you can only get a single one of each detachment, you can't just spam like 5 of a single type of auxiliary detachment. With this I think we might genuinely be limited to 1 dreadnought per army now and other rules like consuls or RoW equivalents will let you take multiple of the same auxiliary detachment as their bonus

>>95844116
They used RAF WW2 bombsights and bombers to target the changes

>>95844116
Sure a lot of things have been rewritten, but on the whole it looks like the game will play largely the same once you're familiar with the rules

>>95844142
Since it specifies "up to one lord of war detachment", I'd assume the others are as many as you like.

>>95844180
It'll need some clarification, it's worded in the same manner as the optional/allied detachments in 2.0 which has mixed opinions in the community on whether you can take several of the same one. If you truly can then that means you can have some nutty ass lists in 3rd edition with like 5 allied detachments of different legions and factions all in one army

I don't understand how this is supposed to work.
Suppose I have the following
>3 hq
>3 tactical squads
>3 veteran squads
>3 dreadnoughts
>3 land raiders
The primary crusade detachment covers the 3 hq and 3 tactical squads.
Can I pick as many of these auxiliary detachments as I want. Is it only 1 auxiliary detachment? Is it a certain amount like 3? I'm trying to figure out how to fit a 2.0 army into these slots.

>>95844202
You can take 1 primary Detachment. For each command or high command slot filled in any Detachment, you can take 1 more Detachment of any type, although allied Detachment commands only unlock auxiliary Detachments.

>>95844202
Bottom line is basically: take whatever you like, as long as you've paid enough centurion tax.

Every command choice (ANYWHERE in the army) gives you an extra detachment choice. Basically the only thing you CAN'T do in this new world is have a single hq dude, in any reasonable sized game.

>>95844202
>you must take 1 primary detachment
>you can take 1 warlord or lord of war detachment
>you can take any number of allied, aux, or apex detachments
>you cannot have more aux or apex detachments than the total number of commands or high commands in all of your detachments (allied detachment commands only let you take more aux, and presumably those ones must be their faction)

>>95844232
Ty, just found where it was written.

Honestly given that support squad now has a number attached (the augur command and control squad has support squad (2)) I wonder if that's how they'll make you take compulsories, like support squad (X) means you have to have X other units without support squad in the same detachment to take them and they can't fill prime slots. Like maybe specialist consuls get support squad (1)

>>95844232
Do we know if there's a "rule of threes"?

>>95843385
>>95844202
>>95844281
Why do they have to make Force Org so needlessly convoluted? How is any of this better than the old, Force Org org of older editions?

>>95844327
To make game more like 40k.

>>95844327
Fast attack was basically useless in 2.0 as well as most of heavy support. Everyone just maxed out elites first and took minimal amount of troops.

>>95844202
Feels like were going back to the good old days of 7e detachments.
>>95844272
>you can take 1 warlord or lord of war detachment
In total? Are we back to "choose between a super-heavy or a primarch"?

Maybe with multiple allied detachment stuff I can finally find a way to put the Enginseer auxilia back into my SA allies. Most likely it'll have to whip up an extra HQ for that to happen, and still don't have plasmas for them. Maybe I'll just keep using them as a storm section.

>>95844354
>In total? Are we back to "choose between a super-heavy or a primarch"?
Primarchs look like they'll go in a "Warlord" detachment, and additionally you can only field a "Lord of War" detachment

>>95844347
Maybe they shouldn't stick everything into Elites? Changing FOC into detachments isn't going to change the balance if you keep putting all good stuff into Elites.

>>95844133
>S Tier
>Night Lords
>Iron warriors

>>95844362
>Warlord
>Lord of War
>mfw

>>95844347
Great the appropriate solution to that issue surely was making the force organization as convoluted as possible to allow people to ignore those unit types instead of doing anything to make those two major unit types usable in your game.

>>95844369
Looks like support type units have a separate category so things like rapiers, techmarines, apothecaries etc that currently live in the elites slot might be moved over there

Anyone else think the new force org chart is actually more restrictive than before despite what GW is claiming? It's not really freeform if you're forced to take a character every time you want something other than basic troops. By the looks of it every army is literally going to need at minimum like 4 characters now for a proper 3k list and you're really going to need to make tradeoffs in units due to how low the detachments are in slot count. Like if you want terminators, a dreadnought, tanks and a special weapons squad in your army you will literally need to take 4 motherfuckers in order to even build a fairly standard balanced army comp. I think 5 or more might even be needed in a lot of cases unless armies are significantly smaller in this edition compared to the last. I think they maybe are jacking off the idea of characters too much here, the expanded challenge rules make sense with how many characters are going to be in armies now.

>>95844296
Oww fuck there better be - 8E immediately became "spam X unit" after they abandoned the 7E FOC and got access to Vanguard detachments, Heavy detachments and things like that

>>95843445
I want to know how wound allocation works.
Would also like to see the kit instructions for saturnine termies and the dread pretty please.

Anyone else super torn on fliers? On the one hand, I like the idea of them coming and going, but on the other hand, why the fuck do they go up in difficulty after they've already come down? 3+ already isn't a surefire drop, but then it goes to 4+ and higher whenever they come in for a turn? I'm concerned about my Dreadclaws honestly. I even have a Kharybdis. The worst part is that the models themselves are basically worthless. You might as well just use the base since they're basically glorified templates now.

>>95844398
As someone who tried to get away with as few characters as possible in 2.0 I think there's room here for it to be pretty flavorful in army building, but that will rely on whether consuls have interesting abilities or are just taxes

>>95844398
>forced to take more HQs in a larger army
It's a doggy dog world.
Excluding a primarch, I got like 10 HQ models, so I'm happy to get a chance to field more of them.

>>95844409
I'd be surprised if Dreadclaws and Kharybdis are treated like other flyers. I'd expect them to be like flying vehicles with deep strike and not use the special Flyer rules. Don't really picture them zipping around the battlefield like a jet after landing

>>95844202
You can "buy" a officer cadet detachment using 1 of those detachment slots but need to put 2 hqs in there to net 1 more detachment on top of what you spent to get the officer detachment. So for example if I need 7 detachments, i would have a main detachment (1), 4 detachments (2,3,4,5) from from hqs from detachment 1, then I need 4 more hqs to net 2 more detachments. So in this case I need 8 hqs? Time to start buying centurions then.

My question is how the fuck will mechanicum work now. Will they get special detachments per techno Arcana, like cybernetica getting an all war machine Detachment?

>Hatred is no longer a reroll
>Shred is no longer a reroll
>Having BS6 or higher is no longer a reroll
are they just outright removing rerolls from the game? would be kinda based honestly

>>95844202
>>95844281
Could you take another picture?
I can't read what this says.

>>95844494
Leakers gone to bed anon but >>95844272 has the gist

>>95844491
I suspect, like with every new edition that completely removes some old mechanic, rerolls will come back hard over the following year as the go-to ability of various things.

>>95844398
3.0 looks like herohammer. Centurion stats got buffed while basic sarge's got nerfed. WS table still horrifically punishes lower WS, and this entire challenge minigame is largely for hero characters. That's on top of mandatory hero tax just to have a diverse army.
Kinda reminds me of the old space wolf rule where you needed 1 hw choice per 750(?) Points, no exceptions, regardless of foc.

>>95844379
So your solution is to nerf stuff so other stuff is more usable instead of letting people choose things more freely?

>>95844398
It's hard to say without seeing Liber options. As of right now, my NL army is scrapped because I used assault marines as my troops backed by raptors.

>>95844202
God I still hope we get land raiders as dedicated transports not taking up a slot. I have 2 land raiders, 1 can be taken by the warlord detachment but i would need to get a armored fist detachment to use the 2nd one.

>>95844536
At no point did I ever use the word nerf, or suggest what nerfing describes. Telling that your only way of thinking balancing or improving works is nerfing things.

>>95844398
I wonder if Optae and basic centurions will be more common now.
They were overshadowed by the fancy consul choices since you only ever got 3 HQs in your army.
But since they are much cheaper than the consuls people may take them just to pay the HQ tax.

And another thing I don't get is whether the detachments you can choose are tied to specific Character/command units or not.

I agree with you that this FOC chart seems way more restrictive than the 2.0 one

how do the apex detachments work in relation to a high command choice?
is only a single one ever permitted in a force?

>>95844398
>faggot wants to play pride of the legion style list
>needs to bring 6 characters now

Forgive me for being a 4chan illiterate, but how does one open the images from the original post?

>>95844570
Huh. You know I thought that high commands were just another command but better and both unlocked additional detachments, but looking at the text and the graphic I think you're right and you only get 1 apex detachment, unless other primary detachments let you bring additional high commands.

>>95844587
better try this
imgur.com/a/5U2Wkq8

>>95844570
>>95844597
I noticed that also, and honestly the high command flowchart arrow doesn't even go to the auxiliary ones either, only the normal command. Does your head commander only get an apex and nothing else? That would make sense considering the prime trait upgrade that turns a commander into high command, why else would you choose it?

>>95844611
That core prime trait states you don't get any additional detachments at all from it. We need to see what a high command unit even is first before judging

>troop tax eliminated
>command tax instead

Main (free) (+ 4 detachments)
4 hq
10x tactical
10x tactical
15x despoilers

Warlord (free)
1x Command Squad
1x Land Raider

Officer Cadre (+1 detachment)
2 centurions

Officer Cadre (+1 detachment)
2 centurions

Tactical Support (-1 detachment)
10x Havocs
10x Tactical Rotor Cannons

Armored Support (-1 detachment)
2x Vindicators

Armored Fist (-1 detachment)
1x Land Raider

Shock Assault (-1 detachment)
2x5 Terminators

Heavy Support (-1 detachment)
2x Contemptors

Heavy Support (-1 detachment)
2x Iron Circle

So let me get this straight, I need 8 hqs to run my old 2.0 army just because I need to spend 1 detachment to get 2 detachments with officer cadre?

>>95844611
Wait shit if true that means you can only get 1 command cadre, and thus would be capped at 5 commands and 5 auxiliary detachments, at the cost of giving up Elites and retinues
Well that's one way of stopping people from just spamming Legion specifics

This whole new force org, detachment of detachment shit just seems so needlessly overcomplicated, holy shit.

Just slap on an hq tax for army size if gw is cracked in the brain enough to think hq tax is better than troop tax, but how is this convoluted system beneficial to the game at all?

Current Pride of the Legion list is,
>HQ
Praetor
Master of Signals
>ELITES
2x Apothecaries
5x Tartaros Terminator Squad
>>Land Raider Proteus (Dedicated Transport)
>TROOPS
10x Tactical Squad
10x Veteran Squad
Rhino (Dedicated Transport)
10x Veteran Squad
Rhino (Dedicated Transport)
>FAST ATTACK
2x Javelin Land Speeders
>HEAVY SUPPORT
10x Heavy Support Squad

And, If I'm understanding correctly, this list is going to become,
>CRUSADE PRIMARY DETACHMENT
High Command - Praetor
Command - Master of Signals
Troop Prime Slot - Tactical Squad*
Rhino
Rhino
*Land Raider Proteus (via Logistical Benefit Core Prime Trait)

>ARMY VANGUARD DETACHMENT, provided by High Command
Veteran Squad
>Veteran Squad

>SHOCK ASSAULT, allowed by Command
Tartaros Terminator Squad

And these are no longer able to fit due to the lack of necessary HQ tax?
>Javelins (Requires First Strike Detachment?)
>Heavy Support Squad (Requires Tactical Support Detachment?)
>Apothecaries are... somewhere. Retinue, maybe?

logistical benefit looks like it's going to be a big fulcrum worked around
+1 slot of whatever flavor you please save the big guys and command to the primary detachment

>>95844663
i suspect apothecaries and techmarines are going to be freed of a slot altogether and simply able to be bought for squads

>>95831723
Vindication, with the 4 free detachments I could bring three of the Tactical Support detachments and get ten total Troops choices.

oh wait maybe they'll be support troops

so you basically have to nearly give up legion flavored (power armoured?) elites in order to have the centurions necessary to more or less take whatever you like with five detachments

>>95844637
Nevermind, forgot about logistical benefit.

Main (free) (+ 4 detachments)
4 hq
10x tactical
10x tactical
10x despoilers
10x despoilers
1x Land Raider (Logistical Benefit)

Warlord (free)
1x Command Squad
1x Land Raider

Officer Cadre (+1 detachment)
2 centurions
2x Contemptors (Logistical Benefit)

Tactical Support (-1 detachment)
10x Havocs
10x Tactical Rotor Cannons

Armored Support (-1 detachment)
2x Vindicators

Shock Assault (-1 detachment)
5 Terminators
5 Terminators

Heavy Support (-1 detachment)
2x Iron Circle

I just need 6 hq, but there is no way I'm buying the new box set since there is not way of fitting those models in my army, I will however pickup that felblade since it's "free" detachment wise.

this is nowhere near as freeform as 2.0 was

we've yet to see everything though of course

>>95844663
Current 2500pt list is:
>HQ
Flying Praetor with command squad
Moriat
Flying Librarian
Flying Moriat
>Elite
Apothecaries
>Troops
Assault Marines
Raptors
>Fast
2x Javelins
2x Javelins
Seekers in a Proteus
>Heavy
3x Deathstorm Pods

I'm kind of in the same boat, but honestly, it might actually workout.
>Primary
Praetor
Librarian
Moriat
*Seekers (slot)
Proteus
>Apex Retinue
Command squad
>Aux Fast
Javelins
>Aux Fast
Raptors and Assmans
>Aux heavy?
Deathstorms

The seekers will probably change anyway because they were just there to get a fast attack land raider with some precision breaching from the dudes inside.

oh
you can use allied detachments to get around all of this though as they're infinitely scalable and have the centurions to take whatever auxiliary formations are desired that the main force can't
or so i gather
wild

This edition is going to be extremely gay if talons/vehicles squads don't exist, unless they are selling a new box with at least 10 centurions / preators per box.

>>95844725
Sorry anon, that'll be $57 per character.

i really hope it doesn't cost a tactical support detachment just to have apothecaries and techmarines

>>95844725
You just know they made all the character models over the top decorated and head taller than other marines, while removing torso swaps on regular marines just so people would have a harder time making their own characters (people would give them shit for being WAAC poorfag modelling for advantage).

GW is pushing characters in all of their games for the same reason. They are cost-efficient.
1 character costs 35+ euros,
10 assault marines cost 55 euros.
20 tacticals cost 67.5 euros.
There are so many characters in HH; they are finally starting to get new models. It would be a crime for GW not to take advantage of that. So I'd expect many centurions to have key roles in supporting certain kinds of units/gameplay mechanics.

not sure that centurions level guys give an aux slot each -- otherwise there is no point to the second slot in officer cadre -- you would always just take the guy with the benefit

with all the extra command slots and what not it makes me wonder how that's gonna work exactly for Solar Aux. Companion squads and Lifewards are more like retinues then command things I imagine, so are we just getting access to multiple auxilia captains and marshals now? Are tercios still a thing?

>>95844788
>Companion squads are more like retinues
If only you could take them as retinues.

Can leakanon wake up already and post more leaks?

>>95844805
Did he ever post anything about how the panic special rule works?

>>95844759
Thank god I'm not Polish.

>>95844788
one of the prime traits might give an idea as to what's going on
>Paragon of Battle - **One model** in the **unit** selected to fill the Prime Slot that has the Command sub-type gains...
If every command slot was just one model they wouldn't need to distinguish it like that, so it's safe to assume there is some form of command squad with a marshal or captain in charge. No clue on the tercio part honestly...I feel like tercio's HAVE to be a thing for Solar Aux but the way these are laid out just wouldn't support it. Really no way to know for now unfortunately

>>95843320 (OP)
games are going to be 10 hours long to facilitate interactions that occur maybe 0.5% of the time. what the actual fuck were they thinking.

Strange question with 3.0 leaks happening but has anyone made 1.0 rules for units introduced in 2.0? And will anyone be doing the same for 3.0 units like the saturnine units?

This looks even worse than I thought from the official previews.

>>95843320 (OP)

Well... that Force Org method could have been a LOT worse.

>>95844876
Which rule that we've seen do you think is going to add so much time to games?

>>95844969

Challenges surely.

So /tg/, with all the extra command detachments running around, what are some good models to convert into HQs? Bonus points for posting photos of finished conversions.

>>95843330
>- Deep Strike is now good for tanky melee units and ranged units only. This is bad.

Unless some units get an exception to this. Though I am not optimistic, I still have 5th edition CSM codex around where Warp Talons could just appear, not move further and of course not assault, which made DS very pointless.

I wonder if (or which) termies can DS in 3rd.

>>95845037
Fafnir Rann is perfect for Centurion / Praetor
Black Templar Castellan
Cleaned up Plague Marines
And many, many more...

Browse Pinterest, there is a shit ton of great conversions there.

What site are these on? <slash>folder<slash>xvFRwJgL#0t06syVjdBLnv1Bzwg9kzA<slash>folder<slash>sycmxDYY

>>95845060
MEGA

>>95843356
keep playing a certain edition or have a look at One Page Rules Grimdark. You can get missing books for one buck on ebay one day after 3rd is released. Because EVERYONE MUST go to OFFICIAL tournaments like EVERYONE ELSE where only the VERY LATEST rules and models are LEGAL!1!!

>>95843489
No, that image doesn't actually have any elites in it. Or words, which is gay.
Elites come in 3 per Army Vanguard detachment, which is an Apex detachment.

>>95845063
retard, stop spoon feeding GW agents

>>95843932
>10-man lascannon squad can sprint backwards firing all 10 shots with no penalty to accuracy
>if one world eater shoots a single pistol shot at them while they run backwards full speed, the 10 lascannons get to react and shoot 20 lascannon shots that turn WHILE MOVING and 10 of them count as stationary for dmg 2 bonus WHILE RUNNING BACKWARDS.
>enemy can't even use deepstrike to try to get the sprinting lascannon rainbow squad into melee as they can never charge now, so no skill needed to play shooty army whatsoever

I'm so glad I won't be playing this game, just painting some stuff. What an absolute retard rules system.

>>95844337
But this is very different to 40k (in a good way).

>>95843445
Please use a watermark if you choose to continue posting images.
I suggest 50% opacity 100pt font: YWNBAW, Nigger etc. to prevent reddit trannies from sharing.

>>95845070
Like they didn't take down previous uploads already

>>95843445
If I've not missed them, can we get transport rules? The transport battlefield role implies an end to dedicated transports, and I'm curious if they've made any other changes, thanks.

>>95845083
I don't know if that'll stop them, but it's funny.

>>95845093
nta but are you the one uploading stuff there when they took it down previous times? No? Then shut the fuck up.

>>95844785
1 centurion gets you another detachment of whatever you want
1 centurion gets you another detachment of centurions


Ffs this is some dumb shit

>>95845112
Read, nigga. Only the high command can get the officer detachment, and there's only 1 high command slot.

>>95843445
If you want to protect your leaks, make sure to transparently mark a very taboo word across the screen like Nigger to prevent youtubers and the like from using your images for profit. Other social sites have automated censors to prevent that shit from being posting for racism.

>>95843320 (OP)
>TQ

I want to know if RoWs and their equivalent exist in some form to make the 3.0 FOC any more interesting. I imagine it'll probably be something like a special detachment for each legion, cohort, etc.

>>95845083
Also this, even just to see them edit that shit out is funny. Better yet, call the person claiming the credit a nigger on front of each one.

>>95844327
Yeah, the old FO was easier to read due to the icons they established an eternity ago and the dark and light boxes. The new pictures they chose are shit, but the new FO isn't as limited. Just pick some units you like and if in doubt add a leader that supports this unit - the tank mob with a techmarine (who gets a lot of work to undo vehicle damage now), the artillery with the master of signals or siege breaker, the vets/termies with a champion/praetor and their DT, the smash captain with a blob of jump dudes (but don't let them deepstrike).

With RoWs this didn't work - aww, can't use my artillery because I had to take a Land Raider instead of the actual DT. Now it works. Unless they rebuild RoWs with certain pre determined FOs (only take such and such force to get a bonus).

>>95845124
I think it's going to depend a bit on what role each unit has. Seems to me that Elites are really quite limited here.

>>95844261
>centurion tax

I get now why they release such a shit ton of loyalist/traitor special consul XY model. They want to sell more single dudes for 30-50 bucks.

>>95845134
Lines up with the near lack of options in basic troops. Don't want people kitbashing their own characters.

>>95845116
>forced to choose between taking elites or retinues
this surely can't be how it works

>>95845130
>>95845145
I am going to bet that they are going to add army specific detachments instead of rites of war. Like an auxiliary detachment with elites

>>95845137

and with the new challenge rules / hero hammer

>>95845137
Honestly anyone that can't kitbash at least a couple of HQ's is a retard. Not saying I agree with herohammer but kitbashing HQ's is part of the hobby

So I’ve recently decided after a lot of consideration to switch from building my army for 40k to 30k. I have some 40k minis I’ve already painted but I’m not sure how acceptable they would be in casual games or some narrative events. So I wanted some feedback from the community, mainly towards casual games.

In case it helps, the fluff for my army is that they are a Blackshield Warband using their own scheme, mainly comprised of Dark Angels, and some individuals or squads from Iron Warriors and other Legions. Focused more on defending individual planets/travelers, fighting demons/monsters, raiding traitor forces when opportunities present themselves, and clashing with Loyalist forces on occasion.

A few things related to the fluff that I’m hoping will help: -They strongly dislike the Mechanicus and go out of their way to raid them whenever they get the chance. Could explain them having some unusual experimental/artifice armor and weapon patterns -They do not care about tech heresy and are constantly modifying their weapons beyond standard -In general, I have always thought of this Crux as their own personal heraldry rather than anything to do with the Crux Terminatus. They only have it because of their specific units/vet status. -The rest of my army should be mostly 30k kits

>>95845145
The only workaround I can see is that one of the benefits of filling a prime slot is to add a single force org slot that isn't high command, command, warlord or LoW. It's once-per-detachment, but it should work?
So your crusade primary could add one retinue/elite from having a command (or troops?) and if you take either the combat retinue or army vanguard detachments, filling one slot in either of those gives you an extra each.
You're losing the other benefits though.

>>95845116
Then where are all the centurions coming from? They're not allied crusade detachments

>>95845160
Sure, but the parts you have to work with in the new kits don't exactly help folks get a foot in the door. Gone are the slightly fancier chestplates, the fanicer shoulders, most of the weapon options. You'd probably need to buy a command squad or Character kit just to have bits to work with.

>>95845162
Dont primaris here

>>95845162
No. Go away.

>>95845134
It's also because the consuls are locked to certain loadouts now, ie those available on the models that are actually sold

There's a lot less converting in this coming edition

>>95845172
>>95845174
Sternguard veterans I am hoping to use as some kind of elite vets in 30k. I’m hoping the poorly sculpted hoods helps hide their bladeguard helmets so they pass as mk 3. They are more blinged out as a result of them being vets, the plunder from their raids, and the general preference to customize their armor significantly.

>>95845165
The people saying you can have a billion centurions are wrong. It's looking like you cap out at 1 high command and 5 commands without using allied detachments.

Also, to the idiots replying "GW made tanks viable again!!", that's just been proven wrong. Tanks are worse than ever before. Not only does a melta-gun one-shot something like a predator/rhino 100% of the time now that it deals 6 wounds instead of a damage table (making vehicles weaker) - they ALSO vastly weakened tanks by changing the damage tables to nerf tanks.

Repeat glances for some reason deal a wound each time on top of the status debuffs. So some random autocannons/heavy bolters hitting the enemy tank will inflict STUNNED, SUPPRESSED, PINNED while also badly wounding it - while if something like a lascannon pens the tank - it might deal 1 wound blasting through the tank and having a lascannon beam successfully slice through the tank and plow through the crew compartment doesn't "suppress" or stun the crew somehow...

Old edition, your overpriced tank gets weapon destroyed, removes unimportant pintle gun, has its huge mega-cannon kill the enemy. Now instead the main gun can only make snapshots, so 2+ to hit can go to 5+ on main gun negating the tank entirely from a single glancing hit.

And there's no more scattering on deepstrike at all, so any expensive tank is guaranteed a visit from Mr 1" away meltaguns to ensure it either instantly dies or is only allowed to snapshot when the tank's turn comes.

receiving one Stun result turns off reactions for tanks, so the enemy will just slap every tank with some medium firepower unit, if you react against it, you can't defend against the roaming 10man lascannon squads killing your lord of war for free. If you don't waste your only reaction on the medium threat, the medium threat glances your lord of war and now it loses its reaction and can't defend itself from the lascannons. Lose-lose situation.

worse for tanks than lascannons which weren't allowed to move, the old glancing table which didn't negate every gun on the tank and deepstrike being a gamble for meltas before.

Unless tanks are cheap they're junk in 3

>>95843340
>Curious about the volley attacks I've seen mentioned a couple places.
These sound like both the charging and charged unit get to make snapshot attacks against each other during the charge
Could be cool

>>95845177
>source: Anon's unkempt ass

>>95845116
>>95845145
>"the number of Auxiliary or Apex Detachments available to a given Army is determined by the number of Command and High Command FO slots filled in any Detachment in the Army."
It sounds like High Command unlocks it, but the total number of Command and High Command is the number Apex Detachments you can take.

>>95845171
Pray tell me when did any of the old resin tactical squads come with any of that?

>>95845180
Funny man.
Go take your jokes elsewhere.

>>95845183
>Not only does a melta-gun one-shot something like a predator/rhino 100% of the time
If you have a unit of meltas within 12" of all your tanks at all times then that's your fault.

>>95845060
><slash>folder<slash>xvFRwJgL#0t06syVjdBLnv1Bzwg9kzA<slash>folder<slash>sycmxDYY

none, the link just went down

>>95845180
They are still primairs. Don't come to a game where people have escaped from primaris ruining marines in 40k and bring the very same thing here. It's not welcome.

>>95845205
NTA, but is that not the exclusive use for deep strike now?

>>95845171
Buy more bits nigga

>>95845177
Converting isn't for plebs like you

>>95845211
You can only deepstrike a single unit.

>>95845205
Is the fault having tanks in the first place?
>inb4 AC makes a return

>>95845180
>>95845162
Anon if you seriously want to play 30k then buy some goddamn 30k marines. Sell the primaris if you have to. I will politely refuse to play against primaris models

>>95845211
yes
1st ed
>deep strike, have to eat a full turn of shooting before you can charge
2nd ed
>deep strike, have to eat some interceptor but can charge
3rd ed
>deep strike, have to eat some interceptor AND a full turn of shooting before you can charge
it's utterly, utterly, utterly OVER for BA

>>95845214
>Buy more bits nigga
I have a ton of bits, from everything from bits stores to 3d prints tweaked to my preferences. I know how to convert. Doesn't change the fact that GW could and should do better, nor that you've no good reason to defend them.

Goddamn and I thought 40k fans were whiny bitches

>>95845219
At least your deep-strike units get 2+ saves.
Not every legion is so lucky. Gonna be a lot of reavers getting gunned down out there.

>>95845180
Anon those dont fit the aesthetic of 30k at all. Just play 40k with those models. I dont even get why youd want to use them in the first place given you can get 20 marines cheaper for 30k than 20 marines for 40k. The fact you describe the helmets as 'bladeguard helmets' kind of says it all as well even from a 40k perspective in that youre new. Theyre just a fucking visual, and all a bladeguard unit is in 40k is a vet with pistols, a shield, and a power weapon. There is no 'mk 478383cock' exclusive wargear for the model that you cant use.

How does one access the leaks?

>>95845220
I'm not defending shit. They produce the raw material for conversions (plastic/resin miniatures). Using any combination of raw material, including third party and scratch built, you can build a thematic Legion army that fits your aesthetic

>>95845226
One reads the thread.

>>95845226
If, for some reson, the pics have been deleted from this thread, here's a mirror.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer30k/comments/1l8ig14/rulebook_leaks_2/

>>95845233
Except they went from kits that had plenty of that fodder to kits that not only don't, but make it much harder to use such fodder. Something you don't think is bad?

>>95845219
>DS legions fucked
Chances are they'll get something to mitigate/ignore that issue.

>>95845215
Fielding a superheavy when your opponent can just deepstrike a melta unit in guaranteed melee range of its ass seems very fun and engaging gameplay.

>>95845239
>Let's fix deep strike!
>Uh, we just fucked a bunch of melee armies while making melta spam easier than ever.
>See? Fixed!

>>95845205
Yes it takes so much skill to buy a tank, have something teleport 1" behind it with no scatter dice and then kill it instantly basically guaranteed.

3E horus heresy is a game for retards. It's even more simplified than 40k. The meltas there can't deepstrike 1" away, only 9.01" away, and a single meltagun shot won't kill a whole predator in 40k.

>>95845239
Opponent can't hit the rear if you park its ass against the table edge.

>>95845239
If only the concept of screening existed...

>>95845237
In my teen years I carved away at metal space marines with a blunt hobby knife and clippers. You can convert whatever you like. Yes it would be great if things were better, but they are what they are and we all vote with our wallet

>>95845241
Anon you complained that tanks will 100% of the time get oneshotted by meltas. Which isn't true, even if their single deepstriking unit is a melta unit. And since there's only one unit you need to take care of, you can plan around it. Don't be a retard.

>>95845243
>spend like 300-400 points on a tank
>have to spend another 300-600 points making sure to bubble-wrap it for 6" in a 360 degree bubble to avoid it getting one-shot by a DS meltagun
>DS meltagun can teleport 1" from something else valuable and kill it, 1/3rd of your army is is hidden in the corner humping a tank that won't do a fucking thing

Tanks are saved, guys!!!

They're so much better than 10man lascannon squads which can move and shoot and don't require being bubble wrapped on all sides!

>>95845238
I have no idea where that faith in GW comes from, I sure as fuck have none.

>>95845252
Play with terrain maybe.

>>95845244
Has it occurred to you that while I'm converting with what I've got, I can also voice my opinion that GW is making bad decisions with what they provide? Your whole defence seems to be "Lol, you can't convert", and putting all of the onus on the player, with no actual standards for GW themselves.

>>95845254
Yeah... at this point, saying "I'm sure GW has good rules on a different page that solves this" is as retarded as buying tickets to a disney/marvel movie. Unless they fire the people working at the company, you're not going to get anything any less shitty than current GW product which sucks.

>the sky is falling for both DS bros and their opponents
go on

>>95845252
wat - place artillery with their arse back to the table edge and your flair(tm) shield spartan AV14 in the center of the board is unlikely to care about a drop pod with 5 melta dudes in it. Put in reverse and crush them. Or use cheap Rhinos, let them pop and be happy you can assault next turn while the opponent had to pay for a unit that supports your cause.

>>95845270
Outflank bros ww@

I swear to fucking god they better keep armoured spearhead RoW

I dont wanna field a bunch of meaty men comp HQs just to get 4 tanks per one, and no command sicaran either

>>95845258
I think they could make decisions that support converters better. I also think they're one of the most commercially successful companies in the UK. If people keep paying for the product then GW haven't got a problem

>>95843445
Just take a pic of every page and post it one by one in order.

>>95845283
>I also think they're one of the most commercially successful companies in the UK.
Sure, and Norman Bates made a bunch of money too. I don't care about GW as a corporation, I care about the quality of the hobby, and GW have taken steps that hurt that.

>>95845239
doing that would be WAAC and I'd just table them anyways with my supeior tactics

I think many of these changes are pretty decent. I also like the way the rules are laid out, with a bolded summary at the forefront. Will get a bunch of myrmidons and voraxii printed hopefully next week.

>>95845293
>and Norman Bates made a bunch of money too
Did he?

MEGA anon here, repo got taken down again. You narcs.

Anyways I gotta go to work but when I get back it should all be uploaded again. Until then, just keep arguing with each other. Thanks.

>>95845281
Ordered some armor with no meat? 1 Damocles HQ, 2(!) Typhon LoW, 4 Predators, 4 LRs/Spartans, 4 artillery pieces, 2 fast tanks.

>>95845302
Think Nintendoland would be a better option for obfuscation?

>>95845302
thank you mega anon, you are the best

>>95845298
Patrick Bateman, fuck.
Getting my psychos confused.

>>95845302
just make it into a pdf and upload it to catbox or something

>>95844462
>>95844398
>>95844558

Optae everywhere assuming they haven't got rid of them, that is

>>95844611
>why else would you choose it?
Presumably it lets you take a second one of whichever units are locked to the high command slot, I'm guessing things like praetors and unique characters.

>>95844648
You can throw the logistical benefit trait into a couple of places to get an elite or two (or some other unit type, for that matter) if you wouldn't otherwise be allowed to, might be more efficient than mucking around taking extra characters. The whole business is a lot more complex and limiting than they were pretending though, I suppose it's to make it difficult to spam stuff.

>>95845307
I'm not really worried about it honestly. I can just upload everything over the day while I'm at work. And realistically, GW only took this repo down because of the leaks; once everything cools off it should be fine for a good long while anyways.

>>95845310
I haven't read the book, but I am pretty sure the movie heavily implies that he's a nepo baby that does literally nothing but waste time at work

>>95845318
Fair enough. At the moment I'm more upset over a bunch of alternative stuff being squatted from Cults3D, like that Death Guard guy's wares.

>>95845206
This

I wonder if the new FOC will make Optae a more enticing choice. Could be fun to have an army where most of the command structure is freshly-minted after a lot of the consuls and centurions got smoked.

>>95845330
I find it amusing that we now have something like 17 force org slots, but specialists like psykers are probably still shoehorned into command.

>>95843320 (OP)
>Glancing hits make vehicles automatically pinned, stunned or supressed
>This statusws are permanent unless theres a battlesmith model to remove them or you pass a repair test, whatever that is
>Repeated statuses cause HP damage
>Penetrating hits cause multiple HP damage
Am I missing something or did they make vehicles even fucking worse than they were before?
Like, yay, no Explodes result. Instead they become permanently immovile or only able to do snapshots for the rest of the game every tima anything sneezes in their general direction?

hmm I think I don't have a legal army anymore. I had a pride of the legion build with three units of cenobites with Chaplain/Paladin and Primaris Medicae, 4 units of cataphract and 1 unit tartaros Companions with land raiders and my second army was Siccarian, 2 vindicators, 3 dakka predators, 3 las predators, 3 melta predators and land raider with interemptors inside.

I don't even own anything in power armour. Made the jump from w40k, where GW deleted my deathwing.

>>95845162
Stop copying posts from reddit and putting them here.

all vics get repair rolls now, as opposed to last edition where an immobilised vehicle would stay that way or a weapon destroyed would force you to simply not shoot at all anymore (also most spacemarines now snapshot at 5+).
these effects only happening for glances and not pens is a straight up buff to vehicles, you'd have to be braindead to think vehicles are nerfed.

>>95845235
>[ Removed by Reddit in response to a copyright notice. ]

The Leaker better watch out for the Pinkertons

>>95845364
Don't worry. Pinkerton here, we just got the notice, but after we trash his house and break his legs I am going to continue leaking in his place.

>>95845341
dunno about last editions but 100 years ago in 40k a tank just had to roll over a pebble on the ground aka difficult terrain and got immobile until a 1d6 self-repair per turn showed a 6, which was basically never during the game. Or someone took a techmarine. Now it is crew screwed on impact, shrug.

>>95845364
Pinkertons tried to do business in our part of the world in the early 90s. They do business here anymore. Not after their dudes and the dudes that were helping them were thrown in to a running steel factory oven alive, and it was video taped. The first dude was tough, but the last dude was talking mad shit about who he doesn't know and how much they will pay for him being alive.

>>95845364
They do it for F R E E

>>95845378
That was the same in 2.0

>>95845341
>It can now take up to 4 glancing hits before a vehicle starts losing hull points
>Stunned just means no reactions
>Snap shots are 5+ to hit for marines and other units with BS 4 or 5
>Hull points of things like predators have almost doubled from the sounds of it
>Rerolls appear to be gone, judging from Shred and Hatred, so Armourbane most likely just adds +1 to penetration rolls or something
It's not all bad, hard to make a final judgement until we see vehicle stats and if some get better repair rolls.

>>95845360
Pens NOT causing status effects is so fucking bizarre. You can actually have weapons that are simply too powerful to ever damage vehicle equjpment cuz...???

>>95845385
Crew can't be stunned if they are dead

>>95845384
>>Hull points of things like predators have almost doubled from the sounds of it
Doesn't sound very usefull if you multiply the damage of antitank weapons by 2, 3 or 6...

>>95845390
crew also can't drive the tank or operate its weapons if they are dead

>Lord of War Detachment
>May be of any Faction.
A plague upon all your legions.

>>95845364
I think he should probably worry more about the cops instead. Dude admitted to buying stolen property in the previous thread. That's a crime, though maybe the cops will be willing to make a deal if he testifies about the dude he bought it from.

>>95845385
Yeah that is kinda weird, but penetrating hits would be too devastating if they did I think.

>>95845392
Still has made it impossible for one single lucky lascannon hit to destroy even a basic Rhino.

>>95845398
>auxillary detachments don't say which faction they have to be from

rules as writen is going hard

>>95845383
Anon the polish dudes that work at GW HQ have been leaking stuff since like 8th ed, since the spanish leaks ended at least. I have not seen or heard of anyone getting "pinkertoned". Closest to it I can remember is GW going all "stop making 1 to 1 copies of our FW stuff, you are in the EU" and our dudes here going "Okey and went up finding Kromlech", and after brexit the same dudes, but not kromlech started running print farms all over Podlasie that mass produce FW stuff.

>>95845398
that's exactly the same in 2.0

>>95843445
What does Armorbane do now?

>>95845428
Where does 2.0 let you take LoW from any Faction?

>>95845427

Are these guys on OLX?

>>95845460
Extrapolating from what Shred and Hatred do now, probably just +1 on penetration rolls.

where in the leaks does it say one detachment per officer?
I found the passage that says you unlock the detachment based on the number of command slots filled but it doesn't say how many

I'm gonna laugh if they've brought back the equivalent of the 'loyal 32' by allowing unlimited allied detachments. Except now you wouldn't even need to take the guardsmen just 2 of the cheapest commanding officers you can get from any faction.

>>95845463

>>95845472
>"the number of Auxiliary or Apex Detachments available to a given Army is determined by the number of Command and High Command Force Organization slots filled in any Detachment in the Army."

>>95845481
yes I can read
where does it say 1 per command slot

>>95845464
OLX, allegro, Ebay. They are everywhere. Most stores only exists, because they have 5-10 print machines going 24/7 in the back of the store. Which is kind of comical, because I remember as a kid in 1992, what would happen when shipments from GW would come to Poland. The boxes would be cracked opened by the store owners, and molds would be made. My first SW army (20 WG terminators. Iron Priest, Inqusitor, Rune Priest and Wolf Lord in terminator armour) was such an army. Partisan use to print out so many Lemman Russ turrets that GW kept sending C&D to his mother, to his gran and all over Poland, because he (using industrial printers at the Warsaw Politechnic) wasn't just doing small runs of 10-20 items "for friends". Nope sir he was producing them by the boxes each day.

>>95845475
it's gonna happen and remain unpatched with people here screaming "IF YOU RUN IT YOU'RE RUINING THE GAME LIKE PEOPLE WHO PLAY ALLIES IN WW2"

>>95845464
I mean just look at this. In the open most of those are not just items but adds for separate "print compenis"
https://www.olx.pl/oferty/q-Warhammer-3d/

>>95845485

Yeah, the guy who prints stuff for me is on both olx and Allegro. Quick service and reasonable prices.

>>95845484
>the number (X)
>is determined by the number (X)
X = X.

>>95845502
NTA, but there could be a chart somewhere that's like:
1 commander: 1 Detachment
2 commanders: 3 Detachments
3 commanders: 5 Detachments

or something dumb like that.

>>95845162
>Primemyass
This here's a saturine town pretty boy.

>>95845502
that's not what the passage says
those variables do not say 1:1

>>95843320 (OP)
>Knee-jerk reactions to Leaks, go
Deepstrike change is fucking retarded. It wasn't great before but holy shit
Don't they have a middle point between being too good for melee units and absolutely useless?
If you are going to sit there for a turn without moving like in 7th or 1.0 the enemy shoulnd't get to shoot at your in your own turn as well
You can't even give them more survivability by deepstriking multiple targets cuz you can only do it with 1 unit
Just, why?
They went from forcing you to do it all at once to forcing you to do 1 at a time. Are these people allergic to the middle ground or what?
And on the other hand no scatter and full BS shooting even with heavy weapons
It's that broken devastator formation that everyone hated playing against in 7th all over again...

>>95845509
Same fucking knees.

>>95845502
esl

>>95845508
You are the reason 40k is like this. You, personally.

>>95845510

>>95845529
Because I can read?

>>95845529
I like wargear being on the profile rather than a separate table

>>95845463
Optional Detachments do not need to be the same Faction as your Primary Detachment in 2.0

>>95845529
these truly are dark times

>>95845530
determined by =/= equal to
if your boss tell you the amount of money you are paid is determined by the hours you work, is he paying you $1 for every 1 hour?

>>95845529
Seems more like that's because of GW's "You can only use what's in the box, no more, no less" and the fact that it's a unit made for kill team.

>>95845530

>>95845545
those are the normal scions, not the jetpack aquilons

>>95845557
Just the first thing then.

>>95845545
Units were limited in their options before, but it didn't require this level of autistic, "1 plasma pistol" and "1 bolt pistol" spergery.

Wait. Those that mean that if a squad of interemptors before could, but didn't have to, take 2 heavy burners and there was no model for the sgts melee upgrades, now DA players are going to Have to take 1 heavy burner in 5 models and the sgt will lose access to melee weapons?

>>95845466
No reason to believe that. Armourbane is a completely different mechanic

Pretty sure I can't run my WS anymore

Praetor w/ command squad in land raider
Chaplain w/ despoilers in spartan
Esoterist w/ tacticals in rhino
Daemon Brutes
Assault Destroyer squad
Recon marine squad
Land Speeder squad
Skyseeker squad
Skyseeker squad
Predator

Looks like too many detachments depending on RoW/legion choices and dedicated transports

>>95845580
Oh, it's dumb as shit. But it's purely GW's choice, they don't have to do this.

>>95845593
anon that's 40k nonesense

>>95845529
this was truly the death of 40k for me. I could cop every change but removing wargear as a costed add on was truly a mistake

>>95843320 (OP)
>Knee-jerk reactions to Leaks, go
Vehicles will be incredibly strong if the new snap shooting doesn’t prevent them from firing blast weapons. AV14 with flare shield (assuming it works the same way) might not get models to combat because of the 1/3 chance of an immobilized result on a glance, but will keep your spartans firing their guns all game long.

>>95845255
Wouldn't more terrain hurt the tanks more than any lasgun squad. I mean LoS is LoS but you still got to move the tank right?

>>95845602
Might be doable, but we also don't know what force org slots most of those things will be.

>>95845460
>>95845466
>Armorbane
they showed it as a component of Melta rule in WC preview
>Meltaguns are as devastating as ever, and worse at close range. Melta (6) grants Armourbane within 6” and doubles damage to a mighty six – enough to pop a Deredeo Dreadnought or a Predator Tank in a single hit.

>>95845602
We won't see ROW until the libers are out, and you can bet your life savings on WS having something that lets them take more FA.

>>95843383
>Vehicles are going to suck again, huh?
that additional hill point moves them from taking 0 on a glance to taking 1, and it means nothing for a pen because pens don’t cause statuses.

>>95845466
That might be what Sunder will do, since in the past it used to grant rerolls, and everything else that granted rerolls not gives lame (imo) +1s I like rolling dice, okay?
Armorbane, still no idea, but i's also on lascannons, so I'm kinda anxious

>>95845618
I'm not one to trust the community intern. That's from the same article that claimed rotor canons are not great because they can pin stuff
Even if they are not wrong it's hard to say if it's 6 Damage within 6" because of the Melta(6) sets your damage to 6 at half range or if it double your Damage 3 within 6"
And it doesn't have anything to do with the vehicle damage mechanics then wtf?
That would mean a S8 meltagun can't pen a AV14 vehicle and can't even damage one with a flare shield, assuming those work the same
That'd be pretty dumb wouldn't it?

>>95845183

we don't know armour values tho - matters less if damage is up if chance to do it is down

>>95845669
My point was Armorbane interacts with AV/vehicles in a way that doesn't affect damage but affects something else.

>>95845208
Primaris didn't ruin marines.
HH shit has unironically ruined marines more with all of the god awful armor redesigns.
Mk3 and mk2 looks shit and mk6 shouldn't even exist.

why did they choose the head of a cock for the high command and why did they choose a bloat fly from above for the primarch in these charts?

>>95843383
>>95845635
The Age of the Battle Rhino Horde is upon us. Rhinos fully tooled out with all their weapon options duking it out as two sad Spartans sit in their deployment zones unable to do anything from being stunned/pinned/suppressed.

>>95845697
You tried, gimp.

>>95845697
back to your cave rivet counter

>>95845183
You are making a lot of assumtions there.
Reinforced could easily ignore glancing hits now since that's pretty much what it did before
Pens do the damage of the weapon, you are not going to just suffer 1 HP from a las canon
If armour bane is only double the damage now, meltaguns can't even wound AV14 vehicles with a flare shield and only glance them on 6s if they are AV14
Rhinos are 5 wounds, it's unlikely any other vehicle isn't gonna be able to tank a meltagun
And meltaguns still have the issue they had before where if they get close you just react and move away
Deepstrike change is retarded, yes. But it's only 1 unit a turn, and even if you are doing snapshots that's 3 units from your army shooting at them and hitting them on 5s. Assuming TSS with meltaguns are even playable and you can actually put them on a drop pod or give them deepstrike in any way

>>95845697
The redesigns are bad.
Primaris is worse in almost every aspect.

>>95845697
I actually like mk3 and mk2 more than even mk5. Definitely gives more credit to the space knights theme. Dare I say more gothic

>>95845700
its a butt plug not a bloat fly.

>>95845697
I’m very curious on why you think MK VI shouldn’t exist

Any word on how transports work? If there's no DTs, can Allies appropriate transports from others?

>my previous 3k list was:
>master of armour in a sicaran
>3 rhinos with tac squads
>3 predators
>2 sicaran punishers
>2 land raiders filled with terminators
>2 kratos

oh yeah, this shit gonna be good, need to see points and weapon stats for melta predators though

>>95845145
Could be
Without knowing what every unit type is it's hard to make sense of it but if terminators are Shock assault, rapiers are support, dreads have their own category, etc, what is even going to be on Elites aside from veterans?
Veterans might even be troops for all we know and Elites are mostly legion specific fancy units

>>95845721
Nah, primaris are less offensive because they aren't trying to pretend they are old shit. It's new thing entirely and GW isn't trying to gaslight you into thinking it's old.
The new mk3 and mk2 look nothing like the old mk3 and mk2, both are entirely new armor mks that looks like they were made by some dipshit on Etsy.

>>95845399
A few hundred bucks of stolen goods is probably just a misdemeanor. He’d pay a fine and have to give the box back to GW, I think.

>>95845697
Can't believe you still got so many (You)'s for such obvious bait.

>>95845539
>"Most optional Detachments are not required to be the same Faction as the Primary Detachment"
>give two optional Detachments
>neither, apparently, are required to be the same Faction as the Primary Detachment
I see some of that FW writing is still hanging in 2.0 rules.

>>95845749
It's not bait, it's my blatant dogshit opinion that you need to live with.

>>95845759
>It's my blatant dogshit opinion.
Well.....you said it....now pick it up because it's stinking up the thread

>>95845734
but then again, how will RoWs interact with the detachment system?

wouldnt armoured spearhead require several armoured support and armoured fist detachments to work?

>>95845759
clean up after yourself instead of shutting on the floor and acting proud of it

>>95845734
idk anon, it sounds like vehicle squadrons are not going to be a thing anymore
You have 1HQ
You can choose land raiders or terminators or 4 tanks in total

>>95845771
Have we got any confirmation RoWs still exist?

>>95845502

>the amount I get paid is determined by the number of hours I work
>I must get paid a $1 / hour

>>95845776
Landraiders are transports, though

>>95845780
I assume they are probably Heavy Transports

>>95845399
Unless he writes, "Gas the Jews," on every page he's uploading, I don't think anyone will care enough to track him down.

>>95845771
There are two ways that I see.
The first is by giving special auxiliary detachments that elare exclusive to each others, like an Heavy Support Detachment with 2-3 slots.

The other is by changing the composition of the Primary Crusade detachment, or allowing other stuff to be taken in it.

>>95845777
RoWs used to work on primary or allied detachments; with the new detachment system, I expect them to be transformed into something new.

>>95845795
That's a No then.

>>95845064
Lol, that's not how things work. Day one of the new edition all the old books get listed on ebay at 5+ times rrp as RARE OOP CLASSIC and you're condemned to hunting endlessly through auctions for the very occasional wife/mother/girlfriend of a dead/deployed/divorced anon who don't bother to set reserves and just praying nobody else who's serious about competing for the item notices the listing.

>>95845759

>>95845804
Do you not have the books already?

>>95845790
Even that sentence doesn't seem to have the same impact it used to have. Might have actual consequences if he put "Gulf of Mexico" on it though :^)

>>95845725
or a marine with a big Johnson. Oh. I get it now.

>>95845790
>>95845819
just write valrak is a shill on every page like the 40k 9th ed leaks did

>>95843445
Thank you for your service. Are the Zone Mortalis rules in there? The revised version of those from 2.0 were so shit they killed my enthusiasm for the whole edition, so I'm hoping they've stopped trying to force big armies with the shitty sideboard deployment system now that the core FOC has been loosened up to help them sell more centrepiece units.

>>95845716
Get a trip, faggot.

>>95845765
>>95845774
>>95845807
I'm not deleting my replies. They will forever stand as a reminder. (until this thread expires in like 12 hours)

>>95845718
incorrect. You're the dumbfuck making the assumptions and getting every one of them wrong.

>nothing other than rhino will die to 1 meltagun shot
Literally a retard. Predators, the most common of all space marine battle tanks, was already revealed to only have 6 wounds and die to a single meltagun shot. There's zero reason to think the majority of tanks are going to not be 6-8 wounds and that's far weaker than tanks currently are as that's either 1-shot by 1 single meltagun (a squad can have 5-10) or barely surviving 1 meltagun hit and then dying to a cough from the run-and-shoot lascannons that will instantly finish off any tank that barely survived.

>I think meltas don't do 2d6 pen now
Again, you prove you're mentally retarded. It says the melta grants TWO separate benefits. It grants Armour-bane (2d6 penetration) AND it also increases the damage to the X of MeltaX. It's real simple, stupid.

>you're not going to just suffer 1 HP from a las canon
Not sure what your retard point is, but a lascannon is damage 1 unless stationary, so yes... tanks will often suffer 1 single point of damage from a lascannon penetration, which also somehow doesn't scare the crew or stun them or pin them or immobilize the tank. While harmless pinging of autocannons bouncing gently off the tracks somehow scares them into not shooting (despite not being able to even penetrate the armor of the tank) - and the autocannon hitting the treads of a tank twice somehow makes it deal damage to the tank like the lascannon penetration did (which isn't how tanks work at all)

>deepstrike is 1 unit a turn
Yeah, 1" deploy anywhere cheat meltas each turn is already enough to make tanks utterly useless unless their points costs have been halved (which is very unlikely, people would be mad paying $130 for a cerberus tank that's only 150 points instead of 400 and still dies in a single turn every single game to one melta squad)

>>95845832
Did that get them taken down?

>>95845804
in that case there are still the scans. 0 bucks spent.
And also online shops because merchants don't care. I bought the BaC box long after BoP was released for a discount from a random amazon merchant who sold games, while everyone else was shitting their pants because BoP was too legion specific in their HQs and stuff and they wished BaC back.
And when 40k 8th came, a tabletop online shop sold the old codex books for like 5 bucks.

Primaris are indeed dogshit, but there is an almost palpable aura of spite radiating off the redesigned marines. Primaris is The Hobbit trilogy while the redesigns are more like The Rings of Power.

>>95845860
They look the same

>>95845863
Blind

>>95845832

Someone reassure me that I won't need 6 HQ options in a 3000 points game

>>95845860
the new ones look less derpy

>>95845880
Wrong.

>>95845850
You sound irrationally retarded, anon

>>95845876
If you aren't some colossal faggot who only played PotL with nothing but terminators and dreadnoughts you'll be fine.

>>95845860
Not even close.
The redesigned 30k marines are 90% the quality of the originals.
While a Primaris Reaver with his power-jordan-air-sneakers and his stupid face helmet is like 5/10 if we're being very, very generous. And a regular primaris trooper is like 7/10 if being generous.

>>95845836
>everyone calling me out is the same person!

>>95845894
I'd put redesigns at a 50-60%, primaris at 30.

>>95845888
You have to try to make more dumb arguments if you want to troll, you're not making anyone mad you're just being laughed at for being so retarded you somehow thought meltaguns were 1d6 penetration s8 and harmless to tanks.

>>95845880
Old one looks derpy because the proportions and some anatomy is wrong. The design itself is otherwise perfect.

The new one is just a bad "astronaut super warrior in armor version 3.0" that you get off from some website that sells 3rd party STLs. The helmet spike is stupid, the face plate is wrong and the flared greaves are shit.
Tortugabay's mk3 marines are unironically perfect and it's what the new plastic mk3 should've been.

>>95845894
>The redesigned 30k marines are 90% the quality of the originals.
It's 10% of the quality of the originals. Only good things about them is that they technically well made, ie. good anatomy.
Everything else, more important shit, like design is fucking horrendeus.

>>95845895
Since literally no one is joining your faggot ass in using 'e gimp' yeah it's pretty fucking obvious it's you
Get a trip, faggot.

>>95845895
No one uses your gay ass 'egimp' shit but you. It isn't catching on.

>>95845914
MKII overlapping segments is peak HH. I miss it.

>>95845910
When you get so accustomed to resin derp, actual sculpts seem alien. Are you going to vouch for upside down bolters, and warped spears next?

>>95845926
Threadly reminder that FW had a full STL for a slightly upscaled, new Mk II design that was almost 1:1 with the old design but with all the technical updates of newer models. And GW killed it for... whatever we got.

>>95845926
it was also invented by FW and not on the previous versions of it, realistically we should have bitched about it. Goes to show all of the fake grogs are just fans of the early 2010's warhammer and not actual grogs

>>95845927
Dude just said the main issue was the design, which you completely ignored. So either you know he's right and can't argue, or you don't because you can't read.

>>95845933
talking about the dead one on Argel Tal?

Hey I think this ruleset was generated by an AI. It's convoluted and complex for the sake of complexity. All the jargon trips over itself in a completely unintuitive way. The book-keeping needed to track all the detachments and bonuses also seem impractical to the point of being AI suggestions. Just look at the wording on the special rules - I don't think it's just me becoming spontaneously retarded, they're straight up hard to read

>>95845940
A real grog would refuse to accept the existence of anything but beakies

>>95845914
I already said the originals are better than the new ones. But no one can possibly argue that primaris aren't worse. Do I need to post a picture of Reivers? Or the jetpack Interceptor Suppressors with SANDALS and a 500 pound random autocannon? Or the "Desolation Marines"?

The Primaris designs are SO incredibly bad that people are outright banned from proxying them for nearly everything by people in countries around the world in 30k. Nobody would throw a fit for even 5 seconds if the new plastic Mk3 kit was used in 40k Iron Warriors. Zero of the new 30k plastics are truly offensive, just mildly disappointing.

>>95845860
Only the new helmet is shit

>>95845933
Unless they just liked the FW version better. But that would fly in the face of the old-good-new-bad narrative that people bring out every time someone objects to a change.

>>95845933
good still looks good

>>95845922
>>95845923
Whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>95845941
meant to reply to >>95845932

>>95845943
I think this post was generated by AI

>>95845966
In which case yes, I do mean that.
Though, I believe it looked like it served as the basis for the slightly updated Mk III we see on interemptors

>>95845975
are those interemptors in line w/ the nu heresy models?

>>95845970
Nah I wrote that shit nigga.

>>95845943
You're just not autistic enough for this, it all makes perfect sense to me.

>>95845748
He wasn't even the guy who stole it, just bought it off some asshole on ebay

>>95845978
I think they either were or were close. Without the tiny heads though.

>>95845943
It’s definitely written by whoever wrote the LIgma rules, their brain just seems to work this way.

>>95845990
thanks gpt4

>>95845943
anon 30% of the reasons anyone played Heresy 2.0 was that it was more complex, the other 70 was to feild primarchs and use their new plastic models

>>95845993
Buying stolen property that you could reasonably intuit was stolen, such as it not being released yet, is a crime in every US state. But a the market value of the item stolen in this case means it’s probably just a misdemeanor.

>>95845943
It'd be interesting to see if the wordings that are ridiculous in English are somehow clearer in other language versions of the rulebook. Maybe the actual making of the final wordings was done in china where the books are all manufactured. Or maybe GW has secretly hired ... shudder... a Frenchman.

guten morgen
Armorbane, assault vehicle, auto repair, barrage, battlesmith

>>95846017
could you skim through the photography section and see if any new units for the non marine forces pop out to you?

>>95845932
I thought that was the mk3 interemptors?
My guess as to why they deviated from the old design so much is that some studio head got high on his own farts.

>>95846004
No it was an aesthetic escape from Primarisified 40k.
>>95845990
I dunno man I understood 2.0 and have been playing since BfG

>>95846017
Is instant death or shrouded still a thing?

>>95846017
Overload! Let's see what the new disintigrators are all about

>>95846017
Be sure to superimpose IRL heresy (ie nigger) on your images anon

>>95846032
>No it was an aesthetic escape from Primarisified 40k.
and im sure thats why AOS let alone 40k still outsells it by a country mile

>>95846017
>Armourbane
Holy shit, we were all wrong.
Now I kinda wanna know what the vehicle penetration rules look like.
Thanks again leaker anon

>>95845950
And nobody uses those primaris models anyway. Everyone hates them even primaris fans.
Basic ints? Great. Gravis? Cool.
Phobos? Actual trash and recycle the plastic. And same goes for inceptors, supporessors and desolators.

>>95846017
Seems like MELTA IS KING VEHICLES ARE DONE meltie anon looks like a FUCKING RETARD right now!!!

Can someone summarise as briefly as possible what we've learned today? Working and can't catch up quickly enough

>>95845281
Honestly I bet the master of armor/decurion gets turned into just a normal command slot.

>>95846017
Many thanks anons
>Armorbane
So it really doesn't give you 2d6 penetration like the other retard was claiming
Interesting.
But this means meltaguns are only ever going to have a really hard against anything av 14 even in melta range

>>95846030
There was the Mk II on Argel Tal too

>>95846040
They showed that on the articles. Rolls of (X) to hit target your own unit instead

>>95846017
>A Unit that is Disembarked from another Model that has the Assault Vehicle Special Rule may have a Charge declared for it in the Charge Sub-Phase of the same Player Turn without being forced to make a Disordered Charge
>without being forced to make a Disordered Charge
Does this mean to say that you can disembark from a non-assault vehicle and make a disordered charge? Is rhino rush back?

>>95846049
>Needing a 6 to do a penetrating hit on AV 14
lmao melta is fucking gutted

>>95846010
No it isn't, you're literally making things up.
You realize that a shitton of items on those sites are stolen, right?
Police don't have the time or resources to deal with this sort of shit anymore.
It is not illegal.

>>95846017
In there anything on securing objectives?

>>95846057
How about get fucked?

>>95846017
Hello based leaker
Got fleshbane and master crafted special rule by any chance ?

>>95846057
Imagine 9/11, now instead of planes hitting towers, the government was going to do a controlled demo on, Imagine it's the Titanic hitting those towers, and inside are an undisclosed amount of people that will be cited as six million after the fact, this is the level of tradgedy that has unfolded on our beloved game

charge rules pls daddy anon

>>95846072
Seriously.
Melta is probably mostly an anti dread weapon now, since they probably don't have T8

>>95846017
>Armourbane
Meltas need 6s to even damage an AV14 vehicle in melta range? And they can't even take hull point outise of it, and can't even wound flare shields period,
wtf
Suddenly they don't look so scary

>>95846069
yeah but they kneecapped disordered charges,see photo 2 1/2

>>95846017
If you have the transport rules, they would be most appreciated

>>95846069
oh shit, that's nice.
Tho I think disordered charge now has you attacking at I 1

>>95846069
that is what that sentence would imply, yes. It would match 3E's obsession with dumbing down the game for retards (like allowing 10 lascannons to run and shoot at the same time with a small penalty. Allowing deepstrike 100% accuracy, etc.)

Makes sense they'd allow every transport squad to charge with a small penalty too.

It seems rhino spam will be mandatory in 3E, it's the only way to get your squad into melee with the sprinting 10man lascannon units instead of them just running backwards shooting your entire squad dead.

>>95846092
2

>>95846090
We haven't seen flare shield rules, at all, so just shut the fuck up with speculation. Much like meltie anon, you are assuming things

>>95846017
Is Reinforced still a rule? Do we have Flare shields?

>>95846057

>>95846092
> Option to auto charge
Interesting.

>>95846090
Wow... so they entirely gutted melta weapons of all types like they entirely gutted disintegrators.

A one-shot melta needs 6 hits to average 1 pen for 6 damage. That's an average 1 damage per melta shot.
And it's worse, as the melta shots don't EVER stun/pin/suppress the landraider (since 1-5 they do nothing, 6 is penetration so no statuses ever)
While some S8 krak missile spam squad like the Iron Warrior one that throws 60 missiles out would instantly bury the landraider under all 3 status tokens and then wound, wound, wound, wound, wound, wound from 40" away... Fucking Lame.

>>95846097
>Disordered charge mentions disembarking
Rhino rush is back baby!

>>95846097
Is there a 3?
Do charges only roll 1d6 now or something like that?

hey there leakanon, could you show us what options our marines can take now thx in advance

>>95846061
Oh god, this is kind of funny.
>So customers, we know you were upset that your tanks would usually survive but sometimes you got unlucky and your tank instantly vanished.
>That was swingy, not very good.
>Here, we've rewritten everything for you! Now the game is exactly as swingy, it's just that instead of roll-6 on damage table and the predator explodes in 1 hit, the meltagun must roll-6 to penetrate and the predator will explode in 1 hit!
ENJOY!

>>95846143
Leakanon doesn't have the liber. Read nigga, read.

>>95846143
He only has the Saturnine box, not the libers.

>>95846136
A step 5 is mentioned, so there has to be more to charging.

>>95846143
leaker anon only has the main rulebook, not any of the libers.

What even goes in Elites now?
Terminators and dreads have their own detachments and presumably rapiers, apothecaries and techmarines would be some sort of support.
Veterans don't sound like something that would require a praetor to take or be on par with command squads

>>95846126
>tfw your investment in missile HSS is finally paying off after all these years

>>95846156
I wouldn't assume all termies are shock assault

>>95846017
Thanks bossman, any chance of seeing the contents page?

>>95846097
Oh shit, if your unit can reach the enemy unit with the Set Up move they don't even get to use Overwatch!

>>95846143
Hey don't know if you know but leaker only has the rulebook

>>95846126
we don't know if reinforced is still a thing. or all we know AV14 can't even suffer effects

>>95846156
Veterans, Destroyers, legion units?

>>95846175
Destroyers aren't worth it now, gating them behind the single apex detachment won't exactly raise the bar.

>>95846175
Destroyers are the quintessential shock assault unit so I expect them to be shock assault.

>>95846185
Elites are gonna be a pain in the ass to fit in now, hope they're easier in some of the other detachments they mentioned.

>>95846126
> Let's assume assume assume
Shut the fuck up already

>>95846017
Does the Sunder rule still exist?

>>95846207
doesn't seem like it

>>95846017
How does Blast(X) work?
That Barrage rule makes it sound like they don't scatter a template and roll to hit instead

>>95846175
From what I read veteran seems to be a universal upgrade

>>95846097
what about ramming / tank shock, gets hot, night fighting, machine spirit, attaching leaders to units, sniping / assigning wounds?

>>95846017
Damn, battlesmith got buffed. Is now in the movement phase, before or after moving, and can target vehicles within 6" instead of having to be in base contact. Pretty neat, time to finally paint my Forge Lord.

>>95846218
We have seen zero unit profiles (and won't they aren't in this book).
What you saw is the upgrade you can give to a unit within a certain detachment, it simply boosts their leadership characteristics.

>>95846215
Leaker anon said it before blasts only scatter 1d6

>>95846156
>1 dread per HQ
Do we know yet if talons still a thing?

Hey Leakanon, can we see some Psychic stuff please? From Thousand Son Anon. Big love. Love. Thanks for these.

Pls recommend a recaster that doesn't have months long wait times?

Anons... I'm sad. I play 30k to play oldhammer. That is a version of 7e in a cool setting. I don't want a new system entirely. That defeats half the purpose of why I play. It's not a matter of the quality of the new system, it's that it's different. I don't want to learn Heresymunda, it's just not why I play. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

>>95846097
Post all the charge rules bro not just the first half

>>95846243
He only has the main rule book, not the libers.

>>95846249
But how does that lead you to buying multiple books every 3 years?

>>95846243
I imagine they are. It's already super restrictive to only be able to take 1 type of dread per HQ and it barring you from taking anything other than dreads instead

>>95846249
Well 7th was trash so your opinions are trash.
Oldhammer is 2nd, 3rd through 7th is middle hammer , with 5th+ being pure dogshit.

>>95846249
Then play 1.0?

>>95846094
Nu-uh, see >>95846097. Yes, you don't get charge bonuses, and because you don't get a set-up move your distance is gimped a bit, but it looks like you get to swing at normal initiative. Probably a price worth paying to get to zip a squad of despoilers across the table and into a juicy target.

Can't wait to see the rites of war for Legions.
If it's anything like Ligma it's going to be special detachments now (like a white scar alternate primary that lets you take a bunch of Fast Attack, etc).

>>95846245
No. Libers. READ NIGGA READ

I'm sad shred is just multi damage now ... Doesn't make my chain bayonets very useful against other 1w marines, the damage is overkill.
Fuck it I'm taking them anyway (I refuse to not by WYSIWYG).

>>95846247
AFAIK there are only recasts coming from ukraine, china and russia. All three are slow to most of the world.

>>95846249
GW could've created a near-perfect ruleset in the last 25 years if they wanted to. They don't, as if the rules were stable like Chess, rather than in a constant state of flux, GW couldn't constantly sell thousands of dollars of rulebooks and keep a churn of unbalanced mess that encourages people to buy this tank one month, buy this squad next month, buy a different tank to win the month after that, etc.
Stability is the exact opposite of their goal. They only get news and discussion by creating instability and chaos.

>>95846249
7th was always bad, heresy was more a fork of 5th than it ever was 7th. Anyone saying its like 7th was always and only in context to 8th/9th or 10th ed 40k.

Heresy moving closer to 2e is more true to what the heresy was anyways, older models irl are older in universe

>>95846282
I asked for Psychic stuff. Not the Thousand Son stuff. Take your own advice dick head.

>>95846282
You stupid fuck YOU READ.
He wants to see the psychic stuff BECAUSE HE PLAYS TS, not to SEE TS STUFF.
RETARDED FAGGOT.

>>95846243
Yeah, that is indeed interesting...

I think we can assume talons are still a thing because otherwise this will be really crappy with all the kinds of dreads we have: The new one, the Levi, the Mad Cat, the Contemptors, the Boxes, the ones I forgot.

Many took like a Levi and a Mad Cat, now they need a centurion for each... unless a dread talon may include any kind of dread or unless there is a dread-kind of consul

>>95846185
As >>95846186 said we don't even know whether they will be in the Elites slot anymore.
Hopefully they've lowered their price point to where they are more appropriate, you could even argue that they belong in Tactical support.
They've clearly split stuff up more, which is very good since the Elites slot was way too cluttered.

>>95846289
>GW could've created a near-perfect ruleset in the last 25 years if they wanted to
no they couldn't any rules they make will be bitched about to the end of time.
>GW couldn't constantly sell thousands of dollars of rulebooks and keep a churn of unbalanced mess that encourages people to buy this tank one month, buy this squad next month, buy a different tank to win the month after that, etc.

I remember when GW deliberately did mystery boxes to get rid of the primaris named characters and Fenrisian wolves off of shelves, yet none of them were OP. Harlequins durring 9th were also slowly hidden due to a corperate mandate about new players also were not op.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/itpl4ywx/rules-in-the-age-of-darkness-how-to-build-an-army-in-the-new-edition/

Confirmed no squadrons or Talons and apex locked behind high command

>>95846300
This
Honestly I'm hype. I just hope reactions have been hamstrung some

>>95846249
That is totally fine. But GW selling more stuff makes stock values rise, which is totally fine as well :-)

>>95846300
I think the fixes to destroyers need to be in their weapons. And if vets can all take disintegrators now, Destroyers need to lose the 1-in-5 toot-fucking-sweet.

>>95846290
It's literally a fork of 7th as it was compatible at launch. Then it became 7.5. A Cool stat doesn't mean it's much like 2nd. It's it's own proprietary game now, with nods to different editions but no longer can you translate older editions.

>>95846310
> Primarchs limited to 3k and above
Fucking YES.
FUCK YOU FAGGOTS who want le epic marvel slop at even the lowest point games.

>>95846097
>any charging models aren't slowed by Difficult Terrain at all in 3E, unlike the two inches of 2E for running through a lake or forest or whatever, even if they're a regular guardsman conscript
The babyfication of heresy is truly universal. Shrimplified in all the areas it shouldn't be shrimplified, then overly complex when it wasn't needed.

>>95846321
This

>>95846310
>no squadrons or Talons
Damn
Ok
So dreads are super restricted now? Feel like it's going a bit too much in the other direction but I'll take that over dread spam. I hope Fury of the Ancients doesn't completely ignore that and give you 8 dread slots in an detachment or something stupid like that

No vehicle squadron is fantastic. That rule was fucking retarded and we may even see less 10 man HSS or TSS being spammed with they are never going to make their points back by killing 1 predator a turn

>>95846310
Also confirms that you are allowed one auxiliary detachment for each Command slot you fill.

>>95846321
7th didn't come out till 2014, book one betrayal was in 2012.

>>95846243
Article today says squadrons and talons are gone

>>95846342
Or two for each non-consul centurion, so up to 6?

>>95846310
> Primarch and similar Warlord tier characters LOCKED to 3k and above
Yes.
Sorry SC fags, my group only plays 2999+1 games ... You can't just bring your primarch/Sigismund/sevatar every fucking game....

>>95846334
3k will become the new 2k, primarchs sell too well

>>95846309
GW is more clever than you are. They make the game 100% pay-to-win by making units overpowered, they simply are clever enough they release a new unit entirely useless than 1 or 2 years later make it overpowered.

You STILL are forced to buy it to win games, but because they made it meta 1 or 2 years later, they still get your money while shill dumbfucks say "well things get released weak so the game's not pay-to-win see!!"

It's really clever way to rob smooth-brains.

>>95846310
>baseline centurions give an additional aux slot
Looking like that's going to be pretty necessary at this rate. I'm going to need 3 armored support detachments and an armored Fist to run my armored Spearhead, so good thing I have two generic looking dudes to run as centurions.

>>95846310
No compulsory troops is a huge mistake. This is the 40k style minmax slop 30k did not need. Sure they will try to encourage troops to score, but we all know it just devolves into killing.

is there a Line rule? Because that sucked in 2.0

>>95846353
2999+1 will be the nu standard.

>>95846361
>They make the game 100% pay-to-win by making units overpowered, they simply are clever enough they release a new unit entirely useless than 1 or 2 years later make it overpowered.

Like which unit, can you give some examples?

>>95846363
>>95846310
are tacticals and despoilers dead?

>>95846361
Imagine if you will, a community that actually buys models and units not for power but becuase they just enjoy that model.
Wild, unheard of, insane, barbaric i know.
But imagine people just painting up things like Land raiders or predators because they want to.

That said, GW absolutely does buff things to sell them.

>>95846348
I wonder if that's gonna be a rule for Centurions specifically or something.

>>95844272
So if I'm reading this right an army that chooses not to take Allies, a Primarch, or a Lord of War can only contain a maximum of 5 Detachments(Primary, and 4 Additional enabled by the Primary's High Command and Command slots assuming you max them out). Because AuxDs are mostly much smaller, you can take a max of 2 Pioneer units per, 2 Shock Assault per, 2 Strikes per etc. Not to mention that based on the image I'd wager DTs are no longer a thing, so if you want any amount of your dudes in transports you're using one of your AuxD allotment for an Armoured Fist.

The system appears slightly more flexible than the old FOC *on its own*, but nowhere near as flexible as what you could do with the old FOC plus Rites. So basically whether this is a largely meaningless change for the sake of it or a massive disaster for flavourful army building depends entirely on how they handle Rites or their replacement.

>>95846310
It feels really weird to have to choose between command squads or veterans/legion specific units

>>95846319
They already needed more special "warcrime" weaponry, now they need it more with everybody suddenly being able to take one of their unique guns.
Would be so easy to just give them special types of ammo for their boltpistols.

>>95846372
Despoilers actually look pretty decent considering they can run up, get a guaranteed 10" charge with no overwatch or volley, and there's less reactions to run away with, and if they wanted to they can run in from a Rhino as well and take the D6" charge and overwatch or volley potential

>>95846335
this would carry more weight if, out of the 20 separate words you used, 2 hadn't been ridiculous internet-sub neologisms

>>95846381
I'm still waiting for GW to make standard sicarans viable, which hasn't happened since they got a shiny new plastic model...

>>95846310
>There’s still more to see from the army building rules, including adding Allies from other factions and special themed Detachments for individual Legions. We’ll be back with more details in the near future, and an article on vehicle rules on Friday.

As I suspected.

>>95846387
>boltpistols.
TWO bolt pistols!? Dear god, get those psychos away from me!

>>95846381
>Imagine if you will, a community that actually buys models and units not for power but becuase they just enjoy that model.
>Wild, unheard of, insane, barbaric i know.
NTA but that would not be anyone here, if I right now were to post about a new consul I bought I would be bombarded with
>imagine buying a consul and not just converting it
>you actually LIKE the nuconsul, casual I only use gameday exclusive resin recasts

>>95846385
Take logistical benefit on your primary (for the centurion or normal squad), add in a single command squad (or legion specific if you only need one).
What's so fucking hard about this.

>>95846385
Atleast you can add one of either to the opposite version, I didn't realize all the apexes had a prime slot. Honestly, is literally anyone going to take prime benefits other than logistics? It just seems too important.

>>95846405
You would be bombarded for buying an ugly model.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder anon you can think something is an awesome super cool model and the greatest thing since sliced fucking bread, does not make it true on a grand scale, all that matters is what you buy and what you enjoy, fuck the other grogs.

>>95846411
+1A and +1WS is big for melee units.

>>95846363
Troops are now for spamming 60 bolter shots at things while keeping multimeltas from being able to push forward to within range of your tank-line.

>>95846381
Anyone paying GW prices to paint/collect instead of play is legitimately mentally handicapped. You can get 3d printed models mailed from etsy which are more cool and fun to paint than anything GW makes for like 33% of the price and you can buy them in the quanties you actually want not just a box of 10.
And there's much more variety even just bits like choosing between 40 different swords or axes or hammers, while GW has almost zero variety per squad.

>>95844202
Why do these hacks feel the need to mess with a system that worked decently well for quarter of a century now? This new dogshit system is needlessly confusing and awkward in the extreme. Just take the old Force Org chart and open it up a little by splitting Elites and Heavy into some more granular sub-elements like Elite-Infantry and Walkers or Tanks/Artillery/Support Infantry and you'd be good to go.

>>95846243

Yes. At least the article says that the Praetor slot opens an additional detachment:

> Your High Command slot is special, as it allows you to take an additional Auxiliary Detachment or an Apex Detachment

So 1 dread normally and an additional dread. For more dreads you need more officers, yes.

>>95846372
why are tacticals dead?

>>95846416
>You would be bombarded for buying an ugly model.
>Beauty is in the eye of the beholder anon you can think something is an awesome super cool model and the greatest thing since sliced fucking bread, does not make it true on a grand scale, all that matters is what you buy and what you enjo

That's my point though. This board isn't about enjoying the mini as seen with the anon who laid out why he likes the new mark 2 over the old. This board is about tearing down people for what they like. We're like the world eaters we're meant to tear this release down, not enjoy it when it comes out.

>>95846385
3 command squads even if you only have 1 commanding officer?
Not that you would probably ever what to do that but does that mean command squads can now run around on their own?

>>95846440
>This board isn't about
Anon, you are on a underwater basket weaving image board talking about plastic toy soldiers, who gives a fuck what these people do and dont like.

>>95846445
I assume the idea is the Praetor unlocks up to 3 command squads, which you can toss on the centurions/other praetor

>>95846438
Some people legitimately only take despoilers and tacticals as taxes and think they are useless otherwise

>>95846382
Would give them a niche so people actually want to take them, instead of just being worse, cheaper consuls.
On the topic of cheap HQs, do you guys think Optae will still be around?

I'm reading that WaCom article and I feel like someone clubbed me over the head. The system is already dumb, but could they have worded that any less intuitively?

Im curious as to how a retinue now works since its a different detachment
So like I can buy a retinue detachment and now i can have 3 retinue squads for any of my guys?
Can i get centuriouns full on retinues now?

>>95846310
>This is where your Command Slots come in. For each one you fill, you may add one Auxiliary Detachment to your army
Enjoy the $1 an hour.

>>95846451
The jannies will actively ban you if you "go against board culture" too much, you have to be a contrarian to post here

>>95846365
Why? Objective secured/line has always been a useful way to have troop styled units be useful during a game

>>95846461
Legacies, probably.

>>95846097
Leakerchad could we please have step 5 of the rules please. And are multi charges still in the game?

>>95846440
You're so fucking cringe.

any updates on a working link?

Also yo you know what these changes finally make me happy about?

I can FINALLY justify squeezing in a overseer to get an easy 3 10 man las gun squads to objective camp the back line, FUCK YEAH

>>95846445
I'm alsso expecting some Legion specifics to be retinue like deathshroud and suzerains

Why did leaker not show the last page of the charges. We got steps 1-4 but not 5 which is the ACTUAL charge rule.

>>95846496
Pinkertons got him

>>95846489
Give it a day, scananon is at work and is currently uploading everything to a new folder.

>>95846505
Imagine being a MTG fag and being scared by a bunch of nobodies in suits knocking on your door.

>>95846467
>>95845943
It's AI slop. We are witnessing something pretty significant here

Someone explain the new army building to me like I'm five, I look at this shit and all I am getting out of it is more confusion. Are there mandatory units or are there not? Why would I care about a Logistical Benefit dread when I can just throw in a dozen Heavy Support slots anyway? I feel like I'm extra retarded here, but I swear I am trying.

>>95846520
That incident definitely didn't happen in the South.
The second someone forces their way into your house, you can shoot them.

>>95844558
>I wonder if I'll still be able to do Stormwingspam lists in 3.0?
>Literally every list is Stormwing now
lol, lmao

>>95846542
Too retarded for HH now anon, try 40gay it's more your speed.

>>95846542
I'm with you anon. This is a pretty surreal feeling

>>95846546
thats like any state that is even any shade of purple you can do that.
In red states you can even get away with blasting cops if they dont have a search warrent in some cases.

hilarious to see all the people out themselves for having brain damage. the new foc isn't hard to understand at all.

>>95846542
Start with crusade chart
For each command slot you fill you get to take another chart, apex ones are locked to the high command slot. No compulsory units.

>>95846097
sorry for the wait

>>95846557
I think GW trying to completely bury the glory years of 2nd to 6th here with these whack af changes

>>95846363
>Core detachment requires 4 troops units

>>95846542
Ok so TL DR on how it works
Every one takes a crusade detachment
You dont have to fill it out, but there is a "Prime" slot, if you fill the prime slot you get a bonus for that unit.

For each HQ choice you have in your Crusade detachment, you can take 1 Aux or Apex detachment with it, and fill it out if you wish.

>ROW
Dont know yet.

>>95846569
Challenges pt 1

REGULAR NON CONSUL CENTURION

Right so they're kinda trying to replicate a Roman legion? That's not too bad thematically but it's going to skew everyone's lists

>>95846578
2
these come immediately after the charge rules btw

>>95846576
>>95846562
So with no compulsory units I can take an empty detachment and then just load up on, say, dreads?

>>95846580
my chaplain is now a centurion

>>95846310
I hate this.
Also you only get 4 troops as standard now and you have to use up one of your other detachments and you have to spam characters now

>>95846542
>Are there mandatory units or are there not?
Read
>Why would I care about a Logistical Benefit dread when I can just throw in a dozen Heavy Support slots anyway?
Read
All of these are spelled out very clearly.

>>95846587
3

>>95846569
Thanks Leakeranon

Also wtf is this whole charge phase? So marines move 2" then charge the single best of 2d6? Eg max of 8"? At what point do we jsut say, nah thats just dumb, and play current rules versions of things?

>>95846588
You still need to have a HQ for each dread detachment you want to take.

>>95846588
no, you still need to take HQ slots to unlock those other detachment slots.

>>95846475
I guess so. Take a Praetor and you get one Apex plus one additional Apex choice. One can be retinue which includes a legion specific one and two generic ones at the same time. And the second detachment could be veteran units.
And if you want take another HQ for either of these and pair them with that HQ.
And in case of a warlord there is an additional retinue squad for him.

Example:
Dark Angels Praetor with Death Wing Companions via Vanguard detachment (assuming they count as legion specific specialists) and a Legion Command squad + Chapter Command squad via Combat Retinue (because he is a Praetor thus gets 2 detachments - but you could also take an officer cadre and unlock more vanguard and retinue slots). In the end we have to look what units count for which slot.

>>95846580
Brain damage or not I'm starting to piece it together. 3 non-consul centurions in your Crusade/primary detachment unlocks you 6 more detachments

>>95846569
I actually think this is AI. So poorly worded

>>95846569
> 2d6 take the highest ONE
Oh SNAP we TOW now niggas

>>95846601
a standard marine squad will get their 7" of movement, then a 3" setup move, and then get a charge roll of 1-6"

>>95846612
Honestly it would be so awesome if i could start giving retinues to centurians now. Because one thing i always loved was taking a librarian on a jet bike but i hated having to also take a preator to give them chosen on a jet bike as well, but now if i can just take the librarian and the command squad all on jet bikes? fuck yeah.

>>95846596
Hey leaker anon, any chance we could get the page on line of sight? Hopefully they didn't 40k things.

>>95846620
>>95846601
>>95846569
shooting edition

>>95846596
4

>>95846601
We're at a point where they may as well do a necromunda and make the whole rule move+D3 instead of either the highly random 2d6 or whatever the fuck this insane song and dance is.

>>95846407
Funny that High Command doesn't come with friends (with benefits), but a Command under him does.

>>95846587
> Be EC giga challenge Chad
> Run around in a max sized assault squads
> Constantly challenge
> Only grandstand
> Get extra 4 attacks
> Win
OH YEAAHHHHHH

>>95846616
Ye, but only the regular ones, not the apex detachments.HWRGY

>>95846578
SO you can halve the leadership of a target model if its just a basic squad? Your Praetor shames the basic leader into sucking? Wow thats certainly a fun and fair mechanic.

>>95846634
5

>>95846645
6
why’s this set of pages so short…? just make it one page and save some paper

>>95846639
I wonder what's the maximum number of dudes you can get into combat. Can you get like 60 dudes into one combat,grandstand with a charnable Sabre, and have a pretty decent chance of going first with like 12 bonus attacks?

>>95846481
I think it sucked because it forced a specialized RoW to include tacticals just to be able to score; some people say that a list should include at least 3-4 line units and that sucks if the RoW doesn't offer any, like Unbroken Vow RoW from DA which is a specialized Pride RoW - while Pride offers Vets the line rule afair, Vow doesn't

>>95846580
>already have 3 centurions made as lieutenants
You know, this edition isn't shaping up to be so bad after all.

I'm guessing vehicles still have armour facings?

>>95846642
Anon how cam you apply disgraced to a model thst doesn't exist.

>>95846651
7

>>95846657
Yeah, I'm glad my autistic obsession with having rank structures is being indulged this time.

>>95846663
8
what do we want to see next? Psychic powers?

>>95846619
It has to be - no way a bunch of us suddenly self diagnose brain damage trying to understand it. As if the borderline for reading comprehension lies somewhere between 2.0 and 3.0 rulebooks

>>95846672
yeah psychic powers please

>>95846672
Yeah cheers boss, Psy would be great.

>>95846672
vehicle armour rules, ws chart and psychic

>>95846666
>6 HQs

>>95846677
like it all makes sense but its so overly wordy and 3x as many sentences as needed

>>95846542
You get the base detachment,
1 high command
3 command (1 of which primus)
4 troops (1 of which primus)
4 dedicated transport.
For each command slot filled, you can take an auxiliary detachment.
For each high command, you can take an apex detachment OR auxiliary detachment.
Taking Logistical Benefit primus allows you to add a free force org slot to the same detachment, of your choice, so long as it is not command, high command, warlord, or lord of war. CAN ONLY DO THIS ONCE PER DETACHMENT, cannot double up with your other primus to add 2 force org slots.

>>95846672
Vehicles please and thank you

>>95846672
Transport Rule

>>95846672
Psychic please, need to know the damage for my Blackshields

>>95846684
We already know WS is the same.

>>95846693
>Blackshields
Come back in a year or two

>>95846677
I'm really fucking struggling with the FoC. Do I have brain damage bros?

>>95846638
His benefit is you get access to Apex detachments

>>95846576
>for each HQ you get to buy a detachment of things
Oh god, it's GAy O Smegmar's system. You can't have that squad of tanks until you've bought this unnecessary foot hero first.
I fucking hate GayOS army building. It's worse than both classic 40k and modern 40k.

>>95846588
no, each army must have a primary detachment and I am certain an empty one doesn't count.
But maybe there is a dread HQ; Who knows if there will be a chaplain dread or named dread who might even make dreads count as troops or whatever.

>>95846569
I guess you are changing out of rhinos now but still. What an unnecessary change

>>95846697
WE don't know, some dude said. other dude said max range of charges is 12'' which is evidently not true.
i wanna see to have peace

>>95846076
I’m not going to bother posting every state’s laws, but yes it is illegal to buy

>>95846684
first two have been posted brother
>>95846679
>>95846681
comin right up

>>95846672
Maybe also the WS chart just so I can get the final nail in my melee loving coffin.

>>95846708
Is the foot hero able to join squads as normal or does he have to accompany the detachment?

>>95846706
It's pretty simple.

>>95846576
>For each HQ choice you have in your Crusade detachment, you can take 1 Aux or Apex detachment
No. You can only take an apex detachment if you filled the High Command Slot on the Crusade detachment

>>95846706
It's been explained like 7 times, you might do.

>>95846588
No.
The primary detachment can't take dreads, and every method of taking dreads requires some sort of HQ or troop.

>>95846547
Wtf are you talking about anon

>>95846580
Oh shit, an actual use for stock centurion. That's not something anyone was expecting, I don't think.
That gives a lot more flexibility, it's nice

>>95846714
And I thought you guys lived in the land of the free or something

>>95846716

>>95846592
>I hate this.
Why?
Dreadnought talons are cancer and vehicle squadrons are retarded

>>95846663
> GUN DOWN
Fuck YEAH I don't even mind they stole this from my OG immortals it's fucking baller

>>95846737

>>95846707
But if you don't pick the retinue detachment, he can't have any. Meanwhile a Command under him can open 1-2 Detachments AND take friends with Benefits.

>>95846745

So if i put together a rough 1k army like below
>2 x 10 man tacticals
>10 man assault squad
>5 man flamer squad
>5 man heavy bolter squad
>Predator
>Contemptor
I would need
>Primary detachment
>Heavy detachmen
>tactical detachment
>Tank detachment
For three extra detachments, meaning a maximum of three officers if I upgrade them or one unupgraded centurion using the extra slot benefit. This doesn't scale well at all, it's so much character bloat

>>95846750

>>95846758

>>95846750
okay these leaks are fake - no way there's a power called Biomantic Slam

>>95845817
No, I got off that treadmill years ago. I'm just salty that my old method - waiting until I knew for certain that an edition was one I enjoyed enough to keep playing it at least sometimes for the rest of my life, like 2nd & 4th 40K and 6th WHFB, then buying up all the material cheap on ebay - isn't A Thing anymore because ebay is the nigh-exclusive preserve of scalperscum cabals that inflate and artificially preserve prices, and "collectors" with more money than sense who'll happily spend hundreds of quid of the money they inherited from Grandpapa, leaving the rest of us scraps.

>>95846596
So challenges seem complicated but it turns into who strikes first usually wins. If I have damage 2 or 3 weapons I'm always choosing Seize to go first and and just try to kill the other character first. There is no reason to do anything fancy. Especially if fighting against a stronger character.

Withdraw is a trap.

Only Feint is another consideration as it will block ultra legion gambits, and only then if you have a character worth trying to save. Otherwise try to go first and do some damage before dying.

I knew gambits would be a meme and solved instantly.

>>95846762

>>95846754
There probably are some sub-rules for different legions that allow different combinations of units.
Armour, dreads and stuff being restricted in lower point games may not be a bad thing too. I
t's a neat way of balancing all point brackets.

>>95846766
Well, all the 2.0 stuff is still available now.

Anons, I've figured it out. This ridiculous overly convoluted new detachment system with detachments, commands, apex detachments, logistical support alterations, yadda yadda... they just changed it to ruin existing armybuilders like NewRecruit and make them have to re-code their entire apps from the ground up if they want to support 30k.

That way it takes several extra months so people just buy GW codexes instead.

This system definitely doesn't improve the game, just drastically alter it.

>>95846750
>Biomantic Slam

>>95846758
>fire psykers blow up when killed
lmao

Okay,now this, i lile this

>>95846780
that's why they redesigned all the armour.

its not taste its just so they can temporarily renown the market by reinventing everything. Its so obvious now and I hate it

>New rules already filtering the brainlets
GW is so based for this. Fuck off back to 40k you fucking tourists.

>>95846736
In general in the US it is the responsibility of a buyer to do the due diligence to ensure that they are not committing a crime when they buy an item. “Buyer beware” and all that.

>>95846793
>>95846780

>>95846792
I like the concept, and will be backporting it to 2.0

>>95846754
You could also do two consuls and a tactical squad. Combined it would net you 3 detachments if you use the logistic thing

>>95846796
worst take in this thread. Real heresy heads do not like these changes. We wanted something between 1.0 and 2.0 not this AI redesign clusterfuck

>Spam bolters at a tank to force glancing hits
Lmao

>>95846792
>inb4 they don't get jump packs, they just split veterans into ones with guns and others with close combat weapons

>>95846770
>Psychic disciplines grant a thematic special rule in addition to psychic powers
fucking neat, me likey.

It helps if you understand that not a single change has been made with the intent to improve the game. Although with the number of random changes, some *will* be for the better by total chance. The point of every single change is a lively preview season and the exposure that players arguing in youtube comments bring. GW isn't a rules company or even a model company, it's a marketing company.

>>95846806
... with improved Fury rule

>>95846780
Haven't used any army builder software in ages anyway, just a PDF army list and notepad.

>>95846777
I hated it at first but the more I think about it the more I like it, which seems to be a theme with this edtion

>>95846804
Oh yeah, they have prime as well.

>>95846809
They split Veterans into BS5 guys and WS5 guys.

>>95846805
That might be your opinion, but you don't speak for all heresy players.

>>95846806
This isn't 40k, bolters can't even hurt a tank.

>>95846804
The logistics gives you a slot, not a detachment.

>>95846806
>just glance them to death with bolters
>the S4 bolters that can't even glance a Rhino other than in the back
Anon...

>>95846736
Freedom doesn't mean you get to just do whatever you want.

>>95846666
It’s actually very fluffy and I’m here for it.

>>95846780
You are literally retarded, they can copy the free GitHub files from the Ligma builder site, rename the detachments, and move the appropriate units over as options for the detachments.
Tell me you don't code without telling me you don't code.

>>95846818
I haven't played hh2.0, only 4th ed and a bit of 9th and 10th. Looking forward to this. It seems crunchy and thematic enough.

>>95846820
same for you


its clear you joined in 2.0

>>95846819
>819▶
>>>95846809
>They split Veterans into BS5 guys and WS5 guys.
Not a terrible idea