Reminder that Modiphius wrote an adventure where a member of Capitol's elite (Not!Trump) decides that the Dark Soul can't be defeated. He believes that the only way to spare humanity is to keep the Dark Soul amused, which will happen if everyone is made miserable and constantly subjected to various kinds of low-level torture.
So he teams up with this insane corporate reject (a blue-haired woman) to manufacture red pills that transform people into angry spree killers, and blue pills that turn people into Dark Symmetry-infused wizards. He hands out red pills, his deputy hands out the blue ones.
The players have to trace the source of the pills and confront Stevia before any more spree-killings happen.
This was written in 2014-2015. You can find it in the Dark Symmetry Campaign Book.

>>95844784 (OP)
They couldn’t think of a slightly more clever name than Don Stevia?

>>95844797
You have to understand that this book was written by people in a state of seethe.
Sort of like God's Teeth for Delta Green, which is about how illegal immigration is good and ICE is evil, actually.
The protagonists are basically faced with a choice of whether to kill some (obviously corrupted) kids, or let them out into the world.
If the PCs just do the sensible thing and kill the kids, the book gets pissy and goes "Okay, you won. Happy now?"
Fuck yeah I'm happy, those kids are barely human. They can eat shit.

>>95844784 (OP)
>Reminder that Modiphius
>Modiphius

I didn't have to read past this. Modiphius shit has always been preachy soapbox garbage.

>>95844784 (OP)
"were"? Half the books written these days have some "be inclusive" horseshit at the beginning. X cards, black gay Muslim vampires, even the subtle stuff like every single time a book uses a gendered pronoun for a PC it's female.

>>95844892
None of that is actually political, thoughever.

>>95844919
It's 100% political

https://youtu.be/QsUrsx-wTB4?t=11

>>95844930
Nah, its just good business. So don't go around dictating corporations what they should put in their IPs, commie

>>95844784 (OP)
>Zoomer needs to "remember when" thing that didn't happen even a decade ago.
Your generation is entirely made out of chronic idiots

>>95844784 (OP)
Being from Europe, i find this quite funny. It will become a cult classic in some years for sure.

>>95844919
It absolutely is.

>>95844919
The idpol death cult is absolutely political.
>>95844784 (OP)
It's like they were desperately afraid you wouldn't get it.

>>95844784 (OP)
>stereotypes of both right and left are path
>both sides are controlled by a mysterious puppetmaster
>said puppetmaster's ideals are not clear but he sows misery and madness among all
Honestly feels like they misstepped into implying the JQ more than anything else.

We need more shit like this instead of redundant, self-referential "play it safe" slop. This gives you
>A character based on a living person that you can easily reference for inspiration
>A scenario inspired by real, current events that anchors your players to the setting and stakes
If this was made in the 90s, and instead of Not!Trump it was Not![Insert 90s business tycoon] it's something you'd eat up and go on about how sovlful and based it is

>>95850449
>A scenario inspired by real, current events that anchors your players to the setting and stakes
Except this is taking place in Mutant Chronicles

>>95850471
No shit, I'm saying the scenario is inspired by the idea that Trump sows discord and division. That's something that's more relatable to the players, and GM, than something completely reliant on how familiar you are with the setting/splat

>>95850505
I must respectfully disagree, if only because it’s precisely based on irl shit that I would never do it. I know my players, and trying this kind of scenario on them would basically take them as far out of the game as possible. They’d basically be too fixated on ranting about Trump to even play the game at that point, much less care about making his Mutant Chronicles counterpart get stuffed. Which is generally why I keep it a policy not to bring that kind of shit to my games, I know certain subjects just aren’t worth the hassle.

>>95850557
Good news and bad news: Module writers don't know your players and don't write for your players.

>>95850635
I know. But I’m just expressing that from my experience, this type of module is more than capable of doing the opposite of what you claim it would.

>>95844784 (OP)
You know, I remember when Aberrant's very first adventure was about helping a guy become President. But even then, they weren't using an obvious real-life dude, and they weren't so obviously seething about him.
Also: Today I will remind them.

>>95851148
Lmao at the picture

>>95844892
>black gay Muslim vampires
Rudi was seven years ago now and you're still triggered.

Dude. Grow up.

>>95844784 (OP)
One of the disadvantages of being the majority producers of pop culture and art is that when you crash out and burn, it's visible from orbit and effects the historic record. It's not going to be deniable years from now that something happened in the mid 2010s to the 2020s that just mindbroke the entire creative world.

From GRRM not finishing his book to every single fantasy and sci-fi series self-destructing, vitiligo becomning the dominant fantasy aesthetic, etc, it's all fruit of the same diseased and blightened grove. It cannot die quickly enough to avoid humiliating and disgracing itself before it goes.

I'm not sympathetic to these people at all but at this point I don't even find it funny in a sadistic way, it's just painful. I would rather they just continue as though nothing had happened instead of this, right now it feels like fucking Chris Chan cursemehameha-ing people and it's fucking sad.

This is so embarassing it makes the Protestants finally giving up on Creationism look positively dignified by comparison. I never thought I'd see the day when it got this fucking bad. Maybe this is what happens when you let trannies write everything? But no, even Trannies are more self aware than this.

>>95844784 (OP)
>Trump allegory
>written in 2014-2015
But Trump only started campaigning in mid-2015, and it was seen more as a joke than anything until he won the Republican primary in early 2016.

>>95851201
What does "triggered" mean? Where does that term originate? I hear it often but it is unfamiliar with me.

>>95844784 (OP)
I don’t like it When ttrpgs have preachy modern politic stuff in them. The “nazis” have really conquered the heads of these industry writers and live in their heads as they would say “rent free.”
I just pirate pdfs and if I like them then I buy them.
Like what I did with gurps dungeon fantasy and me and the boys now enjoy it a lot.

>>95851230
Triggered is another word for offended.
It used to be satirical back in the day and now the satire has become real.

>>95844784 (OP)
Just a weird thought I had: perhaps would these current event politics influenced pages or x card shit or whatever falls under the same umbrella make the targeted audience uncomfortable through reminding them of what triggers them or that there are bad people out there? A sort of unintended consequence?

>>95851230
Term used in therapy, mainly with war veterans with ptsd, referring to things that unconsciously cause them to relapse. In other words, "trigger" their trauma and temporarily relive their worst nightmares. And thing is, it made far more sense in that most triggers weren't planned out or even logical, it could be a car backfiring in the neighborhood (sounds a lot like a gun) or loud banging in the dead of night (sounds like enemy soldiers) that causes it to happen. And half the reason so much of it was emphasized was to help the patient try and rationalize themselves back to reality as well as make themselves and their loved ones aware what causes them to minimize the amount of episodes they have.

And then a bunch of pampered rich spoiled twerps who think bad words on the internet are destroying them emotionally co-opted the term to water it down to "anything that makes me feel bad", and now here we are.

>>95851216
you write like an actual faggot. Read fantasy, play actual games, and you'll find that the protagonists and stories are mostly:
>Standard tolkien-esque high fantasy
>male human fighters
>Male protagonists
Go read your Correia slop in the corner

>>95844784 (OP)
Why does he look like trump?

>>95844784 (OP)
This is obviously political, but it's so goofy that I don't really see anything offensive in it. Yeah, they're making fun of Donald Trump, but it's in a way that's off the rails enough that I'd call it relatively clean satire. Don't be such a wet blanket, dude.
That being said, I don't know what the fuck Modiphius is, so maybe they went crazy or something and this was just a Patient Zero.

>>95851526
British rpg company. They made >>95851148 , so take it as you will

>>95851356
Imagine being so depraved you stole valor-style steel a term that applies to shellshocked war veterans, and apply it to having a mental breakdown because someone cautioned you against cutting your penis off.
It's farcical. I've honestly gotten to the point that I just ice people like that out of my life, because I can't take their nonsense seriously. I realized all at once that they really are just kind of stupid and crazy, and taking their BS seriously and trying to argue with them is a just a waste of time.
>>95851561
Just went to their website, looks like they're just a shovelware company you pay to produce licensed bullshit that nobody is ever actually going to play. It actually improves my opinion of White Wolf that they weren't directly responsible for Rudi.
I just don't see a reason to take those retards seriously.

>>95851572
Once you look up the origins to a lot of buzzwords on the internet, especially stuff misused from psychology, it explains far more about how stupid and narcissistic a lot of permanent internet types ca be.

>I just don't see a reason to take those retards seriously.
And you're 100% normal if you don't, since they're basically a game company at the end of the day. Just felt like the fastest way to get across why people even bother pretending to be angry about them.

TDS is a very real debilitating mental illness. I have a family member that genuinely thinks im Trump. I don't look or sound anything like him.

>>95851648
Lol, I get the same kind of crap. I'll say something like "I don't see why cancelling a bunch of retarded USAID programs is a bad thing."
Then they'll just start getting mad that I'm racist against Mexicans for some reason and I support genocide. Real 'what the fuck are you even talking about' kind of shit, but they genuinely don't seem to get why I don't take their rambling schizo meltdowns seriously.
Not wanting to pay 18mil a month for an empty facility is something they consider a genuine dogwhistle that means I also want to genocide all non-whites are something. And then they marvel about ""open white supremacy"" when people start realizing they're fucking retarded and crazy.

>>95844804
>>95851648
>Sort of like God's Teeth for Delta Green, which is about how illegal immigration is good and ICE is evil, actually.
>TDS is a very real debilitating mental illness
Arc Dream staff were/are genuinely, truly deranged. The Delta Green leads were telling people to get out of the country because Drumpfler was going to start building death camps.

>>95844784 (OP)
Trump has utterly broken the political left, and completely ripped the curtain off the billionaire/media/entertainment/political/globalist machine.

>>95851700
>Not wanting to pay 18mil a month for an empty facility
Where is the empty facility?

>>95845091
Trying to appeal to a customer base that doesn't buy your books while preaching to the paying customers that they need to bend the knee is not good business.

>>95852580
Question.
The 1980s was a period of massive wealth and prosperity in the United States. Throughout the 1980s, the average corporate tax rate was 46.2%.
Why does the corporate tax rate need to be lower than this today?

If the current corporate tax rate was doubled to 42% - so still lower than it was through the 1980s - it would result in the US taking in about $425 billion more per year than it currently is.

So...what gives? Why don't we do that? If a HIGHER corporate tax than this worked well for corporations and businesses in the 1980s, why wouldn't it work today?

>>95852642
https://nypost.com/2025/02/27/us-news/texas-nonprofit-collected-millions-of-dollars-each-month-to-operate-an-empty-facility-doge-says/
You may have assumed I was just being hyperbolic, but that shit is actually real. And I actually have been called a racist for saying "...Good?" when someone mentioned they lost their funding for it.

>>95851572
>so depraved
You have no idea. You really don't. You'll have to do some reading and I'll spare you the psychic agony of having to know this garbage.
>tldr
>the world is two types of people (((oppressed))) and oppressor
>the (((oppressed))) have full rights to subvert, steal, kill, rape, genocide and erase the history of their "oppressors"
>once this is done the (((oppressed))) will create a paradise for all (((oppressed)))
The left changes terms, weaponizes language and that is justification for them to commit violence or other forms of coercion to silence their opponents.

>>95852680
For wealthy people, it's literally unthinkable to sacrifice their money. So nobody is ever willingly fixing corruption like we have ongoing.
But it definitely seems bipartisan. Both parties are owned by corporate america. Democrats just lie about it louder.

>>95852688
Okay, but Democrats don’t control Congress or the White House right now. And Trump’s Big Beautiful Bill is, among other things, set to make the 21% corporate tax rate permanent.

So…how, precisely, has Trump “pulled back the curtain” on billionaires, except to reveal that hey, turns out he’s a billionaire and is just as invested in screwing over the average American and screwing the country out of revenue as the rest of them?

A corporate tax rate increase of just 1% (to 22%) would pay USAID’s entire annual budget with several hundred million left ove for, I dunno, pray away the gay camps or whatever nonsense Republicans want to support.

>>95851220
They were already doing parody at that time.

So why play it?

>>95852717
Incoming "people" justifying low taxes on billionaires in 3... 2... 1...

>>95851384
Now you're just being obtuse and also I don't know what a Correia is. If I were to read fantasy today it would be what, Joe Abercrombe or Brandon Sanderson? Abercrombe writes cartoonish grimdark and Sanderson is... Sanderson. Neither of these are Tolkienesque. I don't know what the protagonists being male would have to do with it. What I am saying is that brainrot has completely eaten away at peoples' creativity in the genre, and it has increasingly become absurd political signalling.

Obviously if I go run a game I'm not going to fill it with deliriously stupid shit, that doesn't mean that the deliriously stupid shit isn't everywhere, and it is absolutely worth commenting on it being everywhere because the people producing it are going out of their way to make sure we all see it. Getting upset att me for pointing this out isn't going to make it any better, go get upset at them for doing it.

>>95852680
>corporate taxes
We raise these taxes. And.... nothing happens. You could tax 100% of the wealth of every millionaire and billionaire and only get enough money to run the government for........ 9 months. What HAS changed is a hydra of,
1.Increased Federal Programs
Welfare, Medicare/Food Stamps make up more than 50% of the federal spending and this has increased year after year.
2.Removal of high paying jobs.
The loss of manufacturing and the movement of a service/managerial economy moves the earnings to the manger class while turning everyone else into servants.
3.Ever increasing inflation.
To pay for all of this the Federal Reserve continues to print money and devalue the purchasing power of the middle class while inflating the worth of the managerial classes holdings.

>>95852717
>A corporate tax rate increase of just 1% (to 22%) would pay USAID’s entire annual budget with several hundred million left ove for
Why the hell would anyone want to continue with USAID?

>>95852747
You know you can read classical fantasy?

>>95852746
There should be no taxes period.

>>95852746
>Anyone who does not think like me is not human

>>95852681
Um. A few points.
First, that’s a facility in Texas. It has nothing to do with USAID, which is an international endeavor.

Second, an annual savings of $215 million/year really isn’t anything much. When you consider the size of the US economy, it’s approximately the equivalent of buying one less steak dinner per year.

Thirdly, I’m not sure you should be reading the New York Post, ever, on the grounds that the end of that article says that DOGE is trying to cut $100 trillion - note the “T” - from the budget. That would entail cutting the spending of every nation on Earth to $0, and then finding a way to cut an additional $15 trillion.

But anyway. The main point is my second one. DOGE keeps making these cuts thet sound impressive to the average American because the average American has no conception of how much money the US actually has. In practice, it’s kind of been a boondoggle.

>>95852717
Because USAID was a gigantic money laundering operation to funnel taxpayer dollars into brainwashing the public to worship trannies and faggots. It deserves to be hacked to ruin FOR THAT REASON and not for any other reason. Nobody is obsessed with using taxes to hurt people except you guys. We don't want to use the tax system as a way to take out our anger at not having fathers on imaginary people, we want to eliminate the source of actual cultural rot which was being funded by us.

Your seething over this is understandable, the cultural legitimacy you imagine you have was all bought and paid for through covert means. Now it is gone. We are not going to steal money from people to fund your ideology, quite the contrary. We don't need gay camps or anything like that, we already ended Pride month by turning the tap of infinite taxpayer dollars off. Go pay for it yourself if you like it so much.

>>95852758
Okay retard.

>>95852763
Correct. It literally is more beneficial to me if people who don't think like me are destroyed. I'm saying the quiet part out loud.

>>95852763
This is the core tenet of the left.
>i should murder and rob you just because!
The reality is that Civil War 2: Total Liberal Death is right around the corner.

>>95852753
Ever hear the phrase “a rising tide raises all ships”? The goal of USAID is to promote economic growth in other countries. Wealthier countries have more money to spend, which creates more jobs, which creates more taxpayers, which generates more revenue, which can then be invested, etc., etc. America is a wealthier nation if Guatemala is made into a wealthier nation because wealthier Guatemalans means they’ll want o buy American products or go on vacation in Disneyland or whatever. Also their own products, to be clear.

If anything, USAID is massively underfunded.

>>95852780
The fact that you think you're winning is funny and cute. I remember what happened during BLM when hooting gorilla niggers chimped out on the coast, and you were like "Wait and see what happens when they get to the red states." Then when they got to the red states you said "Wait and see what happens when they get to the suburbs." Then when they got the suburbs you said "Wait and see what happens when they get into the rural areas!" And then they did and you didn't say jack shit because you had the decency to be embarassed.

You won't do shit, fatty.

>>95852758
I have driven on public roads. I have driven on privets roads. I know which ones are better maintained on average, and it’s the ones my tax dollars paid for.

>>95852777
> It literally is more beneficial to me
and nobody cares, parasite.

>>95852776
>Because USAID was a gigantic money laundering operation to funnel taxpayer dollars into brainwashing the public to worship trannies and faggots

…explain. With sources.

>>95852647
>Trying to appeal to a customer base that doesn't buy your books while preaching to the paying customers that they need to bend the knee is not good business.
Correct: this is why they do not appeal to 4chan posters.

>>95852777
We could have no taxes if we did three things.
>reinstate slavery
The populations of non Whites are a outright tax drain, with many taking more taxes through prison, with slavery American manufacturing becomes competitive with China.
>remove women from the workplace
The removal of women will drive wages through the roof, and the enforcement of family creation creates more stable households.
>passage tolls
The US Navy keeps the international seaways open at zero cost, this needs to end. Every ship passing on the sea must pay a fee per tonnage or they won't be protected from pirates.

>>95852811
>you won't do sh-ACK
Oh looks like the Marines have been deployed.

>>95852817
Cry about it, poorfag.

>>95852825
What we SHOULD do is bring back imperialism and mercantilism.

>>95852807
>Ever hear the phrase “a rising tide raises all ships”?
no
>The goal of USAID is to promote economic growth in other countries.
The fact that you believe that means you are the most retarded person in the world.
The sole objective of this agency was always to expand the American empire and its influence.

>>95852807
That's just a shitty excuse for waste. I could use the same logic for literally throwing coins into a crowd of homeless bums.
>Ever hear the phrase “a rising tide raises all ships”? The goal of throwing change at bums is to promote economic growth in the lower classes. Wealthier poor people have more money to spend, which creates more jobs...
I respect you for at least trying to use logic. It's just not good logic. It's just knee-jerk justifying whatever you need to so that you're always feeding your confirmation bias. Remember how the economy was doing GREAT until 5 days after Trump was in office, at which point it was not only shit, but it had ALWAYS been shit, and it was Trump's fault?
Nobody takes you people seriously anymore because you just use whatever 1984 Double-Think logic says you're right, and then you get confused why people just brush you off instead of taking your complaints seriously.

>>95852822
I buy my books, you don't even play let alone pay.

>>95852814
>can't spell
Toll roads are ALWAYS better.

>>95852828
Are you a marine? No? Then you’re not doing shit. And not will the marines.

>>95852828
To do what? So they'll waste some niggers and spics and liberals. It's not going to change much, when the next guy is elected, and everything goes back to the way it always is. The elites took a gamble on Trump, saw that it failed, and they'll just put the veneer of standard politics back on. Or they'll all jump ship. Either way, (You) won't get what you want. Pic related.

>>95852830
>Imperialism
No. Costs too much.
>mercantilism
Yes.

>>95852807
You're a dumb fucking idiot. USAID is a tool of destabilization. The USA (or any entity) is strong so long as everyone else around it is weak. USAID was the tool to do that because all the various shithole countries knew that if they wouldn't toe the line, the progressive forces that were sponsored by USAID would cause a revolution and they'd be ousted from power.

>>95852835
>they doing shi-
Yes they are. Seethe.
>>95852840
>muh Overton window
Is shifting to the Right now. Keep up and stop posting 2018 memes.

>>95852842
If you have mercantilism, you NEED imperialism.

>>95852850
I'd rather my taxes go towards more roads and hospitals instead of doing the war in Afghanistan again.

>>95852850
>>95852830
The only one crying here is you, nigga.

>>95852848
>shifting to the right
First off, you capitalized "Right" like a retard.
Second, the fact that you think that is funny. The Overton window is firmly moving leftwards, inexorably, and what you think is it shifting right is just performative anti-wokeness. All the same people and trends are in power, they're just more well hidden.

>>95852850
>Imperialism
The ONLY way you can do this is how the US did with North America. By killing 99% of the natives and the other 1% gets put on reservations. Anything else will fail.

>>95852856
That wasn't imperialism, that was interventionism. Imperialism would be if we let people just take over the land in Iraq and Afghanistan for the purpose of homesteading.

>>95852856
>Afghanistan
You mean New Nevada?

>>95852861
Good. I'm fine with that.

>>95852860
>completely ignores present reality
Lol,lamo.

>>95852831
>The sole objective of this agency was always to expand the American empire and its influence.

Sure, but there are ways of doing this that don’t involve guns and military bases.

>I could use the same logic for literally throwing coins into a crowd of homeless bums.
Not quite, but if you took the homeless and found them jobs that they were capable of doing, while also providing for basic housing, then yes.

>Remember how the economy was doing GREAT until 5 days after Trump was in office, at which point it was not only shit, but it had ALWAYS been shit, and it was Trump's fault?
…no? I remember it doing fine until he actually enacted his tariffs, which created economic turmoil, exactly as everyone said it would were he actually to enact them since it created market uncertainty. Because that’s how economics works. Economies like stability and hate chaos.

What I do remember is people PREDICTING that the economy would get worse under Trump, but that was just because people were, y’know, taking him at his word when he said he was going to enact massive tariffs for, really, no reason at all, other than not understanding what a “trade imbalance” is.

>>95852870
AI post.

>>95852867
The whole "White Man's Burden" so despised by the left is actually a acknowledgement by the right in egalitarianism. If the White Man just spent more blood and treasure on the poor heckin savages they would become just like us and we'd live in a uplifted world!
Look at India. Look at Africa. All that did was explode the population of the two legged vermin that create nothing but garbage and more vermin. Now they are flooding into the west and are poised to turn it into a copy of their home.

>>95852860
damn, it sounds like conservatism is a worthless ideology for permanent losers and you should kill yourself.

>>95852877
No u.

>>95852893
do you have white children? surely you've made a contribution to the cause and knocked up the first white woman you could if its so important.

>>95852914
>just have kids!
>floods in 1,000,000 immigrants a year
You are fucking dumb.

>>95852922
guess this matter isn't that serious to you, then.

This thread is hilarious because it started out as being about Traditional Games but quickly ended up being 100% Off-topic.

>>95852807
How does funding circumcision in Somalia or gender studies in Saudi Arabia help the economy?

>>95852846
true

>>95852939
It is a serious matter, enough where I'm willing to remove a million people.

>>95852958
>funding circumcision
They do that for free.

>>95852958
ground dried foreskins are sold to China where they are in high demand as traditional folk remedy

>>95852747
>waaah wahh, other people have stupid shit in their games!
Stop gamewatching and run actual games. If you want to read fantasy today and want something that's written in the S&S tradition, well first off you're shit out of luck because S&S hasn't been in vogue for decades (nothing to do with political signaling, all to do with editorial priorities) then you can just look for the contemporary authors and projects (magazines, collectors, zines, etc) that write in that tradition. There's also thousands upon thousands of fantasy from that era that I'm sure you haven't read because it's a metric fuckton, so it's not like you're in an actual shortage of "classic" fantasy.

>>95844784 (OP)
Damn OP, you telling me that Donald Trump had a reputation for being a scumbag long before 2016? You don't say

>>95852780
>This is the core tenet of the left.
>Says the anon who believes that anyone who isn't white is subhuman and takes sadistic glee about illegals being separated from their families

>>95853382
Remember when everything was art until AI came along? Me neither.

>>95853380
ya'll realise the Drumpf admin has been rounding up hwite illegals too and deporting them

>>95852387
So they were 100% prescient? Guess I'll look into Delta Green for my next game.

>>95852680
>Why don't we do that?
Because anyone with above average IQ can tell that the groups going on about taxing the wealthy never actually do, and prefer instead to rape the middle class in practice.

>>95844784 (OP)
Did anyone seethe about Trump in 2014-2015? He wasn't exactly a political powerhouse back then. Aside from that, I'd say that entertainment being political is bad only when it is so in a purely performative fashion. Writers saying what they genuinely want to say, raging at things that make them mad, weeping about things that make them sad, laughing at things they consider ridiculous and so on is exactly how things should work.

>>95853720
thats the funny thing before he announced he was running for repubs, he was generally well liked and not even among conservatives.
>>95853712
They actually do though, with disastrous consequences because the richpipo just pack up and leave taking their tax money with them.
They recently decided to do it in the uk and the richpipo are leaving.

>>95853720
Believe it or not Trump had a reputation for being a stereotypical sleazy businessman for a long, long while before 2016

>>95853796
Yeah but he was well loved by democrats

There haven't been any good RPG books made since the 00s.

>>95844784 (OP)
The irony is Trump's admin has stopped more troon psycho killers than any previous federal efforts.

>>95844804
>Okay, you won. Happy now?
Yes.

>>95853916
i'm disappointed he hasn't flat out outlawed troonery

>>95853807
Don't see how that is relevant, demorats don't seem to have cult-like idealization of their leaders

>rightwing circle of self congratulation continues

I like Mootant Chronicles

>>95854061
because Trump was only hated until he ran for president as a repub. Everyone thought of him as. a Democrat Liberal before that. Its specifically that he was on the Repub ticket against Hillary. Which seemed to have simply been a strategic decision at the time because he thought he had no chance as a Democrat. He was banking on his popularity.

>>95854061
>demorats don't seem to have cult-like idealization of their leaders

oh boy 10/10 bait. You are a faggot. Obama had a literal cult worship him.

>>95854061
Lmao what the fuck are you talking about, Dem loyalists were convinced that Biden was of sound mind. They dismissed literally every single video evidence of him gaffing, falling down and handshaking the air as russian propaganda. And they were somehow shocked at Biden's performance after the debate happened

we need a dedicated topic on the report screen for /pol/shit outside of /pol/

>>95844804
>Sort of like God's Teeth for Delta Green, which is about how illegal immigration is good and ICE is evil, actually.
Did we read the same book? My reading of God's Teeth isn't, "immigration is good" but "child rape is bad."

>>95855663
Democratic loyalist here: no, we weren’t. We just didn’t care because:

1. No sitting President who has been primaried has ever lost the primary;
2. No sitting President who has been primaried has ever won re-election;
3. No sitting Democratic President who could have run for office, but chose not to, has been followed by a Democratic President for over 150 years;
4. Biden

We backed Biden because everything we knew said he was our only shot at beating Trump. We just, as usual, vastly overestimated the ethics and morality of the average American.

Speaking plainly: Biden could have been a comprise vegetable locked in an iron lung and we’d still vote for him, not because he was Biden, but because he’s not Trump. I honestly believe that leaving the office vacant for four years would actually damage the country less than having Trump in office right now is doing.

>>95856013
>4. Biden
*4. Biden had already proven that he could beat Trump in an election.

Mea culpa

>>95844804
Not to mention various other tie-ins with God in the title, like the one with evil magic marijuana.

>>95856013
You don't believe a word you're saying. The entire country was told for years on end that the Biden gaffes were disinformation or deepfakes or propaganda.
Even in the video where Biden challenged Trump to the debate, there were dozens of jumpcuts for a 30-second video and you'd be called paranoid for pointing this out.
I'd bet my entire life savings you were shocked watching the debate.

>things were always political
>But my politics is the correct way to do things!
>Also my politics is even more forced and heavy handed

>>95856237
I'm not even American and even I'd heard Americans voice concerns about Biden's fitness well before the election. Politico, at least, had several articles on that during...I dunno, at least the year leading to the election.

>>95856237
So you're playing the "It's my turn to have a dementia patient as president" card. Pathetic.

>>95844784 (OP)
TDS will make for some fascinating doctoral studies about 20 years in the future.

>>95851201
If we let publishers forget how much we hate that kind of bullshit, they'll start to think they can get away with it again. So, are you not smart enough to get that, or do you want more things like Rudi but you're too chickenshit to just say it?

>>95844804
Caleb Egostokes & Dennis Dickwielder are two of the most flaccid political fantasists in the industry, which means, among other things, they are the mirror equal opposites of Trump morons like Marlon Zuckermusk. The screed writers who think it necessary to say "child rape baaaad" (akin to pointing out that "entropy happens") are useless twatwaffles, whereas all pedophiles (even the elected & appointed ones) need to be terminated with extreme prejudice.

>>95845228
Voltaire and Swift they are not. But they DO presume their readers are as insipidly stupid as they themselves are.

>>95856013
You know you can those "No --- has ever" rules for every president, and every president has been the first to break a few. They don't hold over the long term.

Not that it matters, dems lost on the issues and are so captured that they can't pull it back.

>>95856013
>primaried
Someone explain this burgertalk, please.

>>95856013
>he was our only shot at beating Trump
If you hadn't pushed out Sanders, Trump would never have gotten in to office the first time.
The democrats are fucking idiots of the highest sort, having shot themselves in the foot at every possible opportunity.

The moral is: don't buy things from people who hate you.

>>95850449
>instead of Not!Trump it was Not![Insert 90s business tycoon]
Ironically also Trump.
The reason Trump looks like an evil businessman from an 80s or 90s movie is because most of them were Trump parodies in the first place. And Trump seems more than happy to play into it.

>>95852807
Sorry to break it to you, but all those "gay coloring books for Uganda" were covers for CIA ops.

>>95850449
>If this was made in the 90s, and instead of Not!Trump it was Not![Insert 90s business tycoon] it's something you'd eat up and go on about how sovlful and based it is
Biff in Back to the Future was based on Trump.

>>95856237
You’re missing the point. It doesn’t matter if Biden was a dementia patient, he was still the best shot Democrats had at beating Trump. He had a very successful record as President - pic - and him being primaried, or stepping aside, would have guaranteed a Trump victory because of points (2) and (3) that I brought up.


You’re looking at the entire thing wrong because you’re obsessed with your cult leader and so assume that we must be obsessed with one of our own. We’re not. We didn’t want Biden. We wanted *anyone but Trump*.

>>95856818
Democrats didn’t lose on the issues. The biggest thing voters said caused them to vote for Trump was “high inflation” - this despite the fact that on Election Day, inflation was under 2%. It was low enough that the Fed had cut rates to keep the economy from stalling, and it was well below the US historical average of 3.5% or so. We didn’t lose on the issue, we lost on the perception of the issue. We lost because a plurality of the country were told pretty lies and chose to believe them because it’s what they wanted to be true. Like I said earlier - once again, Democrats overestimated the ethics and morality of the American people.

>>95857080
Unlikely. Sanders is an actual Socialist. If he were the Democratic frontrunner in 2016, then suddenly Trump is the (perceived) moderate candidate to Sanders’ extremism. Socialism is a dirty word in US politics. Ultimately, Sanders has a high floor, but a low ceiling. In an actual election, I do not believe he’d win because enough people would knee-jerk away from Socialism.

>let me tell you how America works
why do non-Americans always do this?

>>95857055
You know how in Parliamentary democracies, you vote for a party, and then after the elections are done they work together to form a governing coalition with other parties, because it’s rare for any one party to have a majority in Parliament?

That basically happens in reverse in America. The primary season sees the different factions in each of the two major parties having votes cast within them to elect a candidate who basically forms what will be the governing coalition if he wins, and then the two competing potential coalitions are voted upon in the general election.

The upshot is that the People have more say in the eventual government they get as compared to a Parliamentary Democracy, as in those the governing coalition is formed via deals and agreements made between politicians after the voting is done and you might, say, vote for Liberals and despise Conservatives but then end up with a government that is a Liberal-Conservative coalition because that’s the only way the Liberals could get a governing majority. The downside is that American politics look extremely chaotic, and are highly influenced by popular sentiment which is, demonstrably, short-sighted and more concerned with immediate gratification than long-term benefits.

>>95858456
>this despite the fact that on Election Day, inflation was under 2%.
Inflation is cumulative you legit single-digit IQ retard.
No I don't care about your american politics so don't bother answering with it.
IT'S CUMULATIVE.

>>95858672
Sure. But look at the actual inflation rate over time. It started rising in 2020 (before Biden took office) and peaked in June 2022. But it had been coming down constantly from that point. Y’know, as that whole worldwide plague thing that crashed the planet’s economy started winding down thanks to Biden’s efforts.

>>95858456
>overestimated the morality
Those damn immoral cretins wanting evil shit like *checks notes* secure borders!

>>95844804
I'm really sad at how God's Teeth turned out. When it was still in the early stages and being played by RPPR, it was entertaining and only really political when "God's Light" happened. But when he added the whole ICE shit it just got really awful and took away from the horror of being marked as pawns of an unknowable, ever-hungry entity.

>>95844784 (OP)
The irony is Trump's admin has stopped more troon psycho killers than any previous federal administration. Which spits in the face of this metaplot. It's always the opposite from reality with these assholes.

>>95856642
For that guy it's absolutely the latter

>>95858834
If people wanted secure borders, they wouldn’t have voted for Trump. From 2001 to 201, the illegal immigration rate fell from 1 mil/year to 300K/year. This drop was consistent across both Bush and Obama’s presidencies.

From 2016 to 2019, it rose from 300K/year to 850K/year. In three years, Trump essentially erased fifteen years of progress. That it got worse under Biden (at first - nevermind that it dropped in ‘23 and ‘24, I guess) doesn’t change that Trump has a proven shitty record on immigration and is the last person anyone who wants secure borders should vote for.

Nevermind that Biden’s border situation was deliberately made worse by Republicans when they wouldn’t vote for HR 2 despite it being a wish-list of everything they asked for.

>>95859329
> 2001 to 201
*2001 to 2016. Mea culpa.

>>95857092
This is correct.
Generally pages about who is allowed to play and who isn’t are warning signs that the product is just propaganda disguised as a product and the makers hate the audience and I strongly believe themselves as well.

>>95844804
>You have to understand that this book was written by people in a state of seethe.
>2014-2015
Yeah, but guess what didn't happen until 2016?

>>95851216
>the creative world is dying.
...yes, and I will bring the new one.
Care to join me?

>>95859789
Seethe was happening even before he won the election. But once he won it was never the same. Even 4chan isn’t the same.

>>95859843
>Seethe was happening even before he won the election
The 2014-2015 development would be before he even announced an intent to run for office, moron.

>>95859905
>On June 16, 2015, Trump announced his candidacy for President of the United States at Trump Tower in Manhattan.
Close enough.

This thread has stayed up remarkably well given the current janny and mod climate. Hardly any deleted posts.

>>95859970
He actually ran for president back in 2000

>>95852680
>The 1980s was a period of massive wealth and prosperity in the United States.
Anon, what the fuck are you smoking? We were still recovering from vietnam war spending and France absolutely destroying the world market by fucking the gold standard. We were concerned japan was going to overtake the american economy while it was still wounded and bleeding from rampant inflation.
You know how in 80's-90's cyberpunk everything has a vaguely japanese tint to it? That was because of the above. Everyone was predicting america would get taken over by japan economically as the revenge for ww2.

>>95860020
Japan's economy appearing to be stronger doesn't mean that the US' economy wasn't strong itself. The recession ended in 1982. The GDP growth rate was consistently above 3% from then until 1991. The GDP in 1982 was $3.34 trillion; by 1990 it had risen to $5.96 trillion, while inflation over that time was an average of about 3.9%, which is only a little higher than the US's historical average inflation rate of 3.5%. Unemployment fell from 7.5% in 1980 to 5.4% by 1988.

If you can point to something actually material that suggests that the economy was bad in the 1980s, I'd like to see it.

>>95856818
Dems lost because control is their drug, it matters to them more than beating Trump ever will. They rigged their third straight primary citing Biden's incumbency priority, then rugpulled Biden for an even worse blank slate puppet, then proceeded to overreach beyond the usual DNC screwjobs into 3rd party campaigns, derailing RFK's bid (which not only was the candidate with the highest favorability in the race, but also was a candidate whose presence was helping against Trump in the swing states) with a swathe of frivolous lawsuits designed to drain his lesser funding regardless of win or lose and drove him into Trump's cabinet after bragging they couldn't handle anything resembling diplomacy with the man. As a result, they burned bridges with most flavors of Independent on top of the Leftists with their wishy-washy Israel policy, and millions of blue voters were simply too demoralized to leave home because of their nonsense campaigning.

Will they learn from this? Considering they just ousted Hogg for daring to be even a fraction relatable to the general public, no, they will just bank on their eternal scapegoat Trump to push people into their arms.

>>95860099
Anon, america also had nearly 3 trillion in debt, when total debt was 845 billion in 1979 and 371 billion in 1970. The fact we were using artificial money to prop up the economy in hopes of recovering enough to pay it off isn't the same thing as a healthy and growing economy. America absolutely advertised it as a magical full recovery, because economies are build on people's trust in the system, but america was still completely fucked.
Also anon, Economies don't magically become good the moment a recession ends, they take time to recover. America might have been able to get on the path to recovery during the 80's/early90's, they weren't fully recovered and growing. The dot-com bubble later completely sunk those dreams of recovery.

>>95859329
I don't think any other president has started cracking down on illegal immigration harder than Trump though, even if his first term was spotty on it. ~300,000 since February compared to ~250,000 in the entirety of 2024.

So TL;DR:
>>95860099
>Line go up, world more gooder.
>>95860218
>Line is fake. Banks&Gov lie to make money.

>>95860172
Favorability is not the same thing as electibility, Anon. For example, Clinton's favorability was a full 9% higher than Trump's in 2016.

>>95860236
Sure it obviously didn't mean he was the frontman, but it's a very strong indicator that you should try something beyond overt antagonization with him and his voting base. But hey, if they really were simply too pure for RFK then that's how it is... except they then proceeded to turn around and laud Dick fucking Cheney for his endorsement.

>>95860223
We know for a fact that Trump is deporting US citizens, Anon. How many of those ~300,000 are actually illegal immigrants? Given the lack of due process happening, for all we know less than half of those deported are actually illegals.

>>95860233
I chose the 1980s as a time when the US economy was unquestionably good. Another good example would be the 1950s, where the corporate tax rate was 50%. So why can't it be 50% today, especially if the goal is to start tackling the national debt? Obviously that is not the ONLY thing that needs doing, but it'd still give us about $425 billion/year to start paying into it.

>>95851216
>>95852747
I appreciated your post, anon, even if it made the hoes mad. I do wonder how everythings going to settle after the current paradigm blows up due to being aids.

>>95860296
>I chose the 1980s as a time when the US economy was unquestionably good.
Got literally proven wrong.
> Another good example would be the 1950s
That would be the only good example anon.

>>95860271
>with him and his voting base
His voting base of 3 people. Again, you're confusing favorabiltiy with electability. RFK Jr. had precisely two things that were appealing about him compared to Biden: he wasn't Biden and he was named Kennedy. And he lost the first thing when Harris entered the race. Kennedy appealed to an extremely narrow group, the Democrats who opposed vaccinations. He was never, ever going to beat Trump in a head-to-head election.

>>95860296
>We know for a fact that Trump is deporting US citizens, Anon
>he deported a handful of citizens in high profile cases that were caught almost immediately, therefore at least 150,000 of the people deported are also legal us citizens
Sure.

>>95860306
>Got literally proven wrong.
No, I didn't. I had someone say "no you're wrong" without actually giving any numbers to back it up. I then proceeded to prove him wrong, by posting actual numbers.

>That would be the only good example anon.
Okay, then in the 1950s the corporate tax rate was 50%. So why not make it 50% today, instead of 21%? If we can have a strong economy in the 1950s with a 50% corporate tax rate, why not today?

>>95860324
Without due process, how can you possibly know for sure? I mean, I personally doubt it too, but there's supposed to be this thing called "the law", isn't there?

In any event, mass deportations do not mean a secure border, which was the original point.

>>95860326
>No, I didn't. I had someone say "no you're wrong" without actually giving any numbers to back it up.
>>95860218
>america also had nearly 3 trillion in debt, when total debt was 845 billion in 1979 and 371 billion in 1970.
Yeah, zero numbers. None.

>>95860331
>Without due process, how can you possibly know for sure?
My anonigga, it's not like they're picking up random dudes off the street or targeting anyone who looks vaguely Hispanic. They're specifically going after people with either missing citizenship records or who've been reported as having been here illegally before. They've raided multiple businesses and companies full of workers who were reportedly here illegally and who couldn't speak a word of English.

>>95860326
>If we can have a strong economy in the 1950s with a 50% corporate tax rate, why not today?
Simple, they would move their headquarters to a different country and continue operating in america. Those that stayed would collude to raise prices +100% to make the consumers pay the entirety of the tax and then some.
A globalist economy like loses nearly all its ability to enforce taxes on companies unless it starts shutting down business with companies that aren't american headquartered.
It also can't keep collusion from happening without enforcing the anti-trust laws on the books, start splitting up large companies between states, and forcing them to actually compete so that the customer has the power to vote with their wallet.
That's the rub. 1950's america was built off an isolationist hyper-capitalist economy. The current corpo-socialist oligarchy of america isn't capable of actually sustaining the economy long-term.

>>95860338
>Yeah, zero numbers. None.
That was *after* the original post attempting to claim it was doing poorly. Also, $3 trillion in debt by 1990 verses $6 trillion in GDP still leaves America in the black. A slight economic downturn in the early '90s was then undone by Clinton, who left office with a budget surplus that could have been used to start paying off the debt if not for 9/11 and the subsequent War on Terror.

>>95860341
>My anonigga, it's not like they're picking up random dudes off the street or targeting anyone who looks vaguely Hispanic
They appear to be doing literally that, in fact.

>and who couldn't speak a word of English
...and? That's not a crime. In fact the U.S. doesn't even have an official language; English is just the default, but we've always had a huge population of people who couldn't speak English. The first newspaper to publish the Declaration of Independence was a German-language newspaper. Our eighth president's first language was Dutch.

>>95860372
>1950's america was built off an isolationist
America, isolationist, in the 1950s? Pull the other one.

>>95860385
>built off
Means "Came Before" anon. America's economy didn't magically appear in 1950

>>95860382
>Trump has hispanic supporters
>hispanic backers
>hispanic politicians in his admin
>ice ice baby raids are deliberately ignoring hispanic citizen communities
>they are rounding up people regardless of race based on legal status
Trump doesnt give a shit about race. he isnt a racist.

Hispanics are a part of the USA they always have been, ever since Mexico sold the land to the USA, they became part of it.
Illegal immigrants are not.

>>95860372
>Simple, they would move their headquarters to a different country
That other country being...? The corporate tax rate in most of the rest of the developed world is higher than the US. Countries with lower corporate tax rates also tend to be countries where you can't depend upon the government not deciding you should be nationalized, assuming that they aren't unstable to begin with. You end up spending the money you supposedly save on corporate security.

>>95856013
>We just, as usual, vastly overestimated the ethics and morality of the average American.
We are so honored to have you beacons of morality bringing us savages into the light. What would we ever do without our enlightened leaders?

>>95860382
>That was *after* the original post attempting to claim it was doing poorly.
Anon, other anon made a claim, you asked for evidence, he provided evidence, and now it doesn't count because it came after you asked for it?
I don't see your logic.
>Also, $3 trillion in debt by 1990 verses $6 trillion in GDP still leaves America in the black
That's not how that works. America isn't a business, it does not make profits. Having half the country's money be Debt is a horrible, Horrible economic position to be in. That's not Growth in unless you're comparing it to the Cancer kind.
The GDP-to-debt has continue to grow until GDP was Outpaced in 2013. That's a magical thing called "Economic Momentum". The larger and faster a bubble forms, the harder it is to Stop and the more destructively it Pops. The dot-com bubble wasn't just a minor economic downturn, it sabataged any hope of stopping another great depression, one that was about to manifest in 2007-2008, but was delayed until now by government spending artificially propping up the market with programs like "quantitative easing".

>>95860296
The US economy has gotten worse every year since the 60s in real terms as wealth is increasingly concentrated in a smaller and smaller handful of individuals. Increasing the corporate tax rate should be done, however, you're an ignorant retard if you think that would fucking matter lmao. Look at the Deficit, then consider the fact that typically only even refers to "discretionary spending" and that "mandatory spending" is 90% of the blackhole and realize that an extra 425 billion doesn't matter. You can't tax your way out of debt. The issue is that ALL rich, Democrat and Republican, are parasites who have been stealing from the Americans and global world over to enrich themselves beyond measure. You can't vote your way out of this either. Most of the new rich are card carrying Democrats with portfolios that have 40% returns for a reason.

Uhhh tabletop games.

>>95860407
Ireland, Cayman Islands and Bermuda are the typical tax-havens. You also don't technically need to have the majority of your business operate out of where you're "headquartered", plenty of businesses put up one office build in those places and pretend it's their most central facility.

>>95860391
America's isolationism had ended, at minimum, by 1942. More realistically by 1938 since that's when America began ending its neutrality in the war between Japan and China by terminating the 1911 commercial treaty.

>>95860395
>Trump has hispanic supporters
Trump's support among Hispanics is currently dropping. But in any event, I never believed Trump was racist. He's opportunistic.

>Illegal immigrants are not.
Sure, but what Trump is doing right now is resulting in actual US citizens, born and raised in this country, being deported. And there is no basis for his policies, seeing as illegal immigrants statistically commit less crimes (of any kind, from jaywalking up to murder) than natural-born citizens generally, and since in the specific case of, say, L.A., the crime has been trending downwards for decades (even when accounting for the fact that until 2015 the LAPD was actually under-reporting crime).

>>95860296
>>95860434
Oh yeah wanted to say.

The only way we fix this isn't the corporate tax rate or income tax or any of that utter bullshit. The way you fix this is to tax wealth itself, which no one, especially not yourself, is advocating for. Make a tax based on the actual assets (houses, land, businesses, vehicles) and make it grow exponentially the more you own. Your first house has a 0.05% tax. Your second is 2%. Your third is 4%. Your fourth is 20%. And so on and so forth and break corporations and people like Bill Gates on a fundamental level so even if they do fuck off to a tax haven it doesn't matter because they can't just own 21% of the land in Montana anymore the tax rate would be over 100% of the actual value past a certain point and continue to grow from there.

>>95860320
RFK had some of the best policies on tackling the major issues, from inflation to abortion. The media chose to focus solely on the vax shit despite him not mentioning it at all in his campaign speeches or debates, because that's where they get their paychecks (remember, OTC medication ads serve literally zero purpose except to bribe network influence because they aren't retail products and no doctor is going to give a shit if you ask about a commercial's recommendation). And I really wouldn't discount the following he garnered, Independents are the largest demographic in America nowadays and he acquired more ballot access signatures than any other candidate, at the very least his party was guaranteed to earn enough to legitimize itself, which spooks the powers that be more than Trump ever could. And, considering the margin in which Kamala lost the swings, they really did in fact need his "3 people" in her corner.

And even then, it wasn't just RFK, Stein and Cornell West, and even the other DNC primary opponents well got attacked by the blue establishment while Trump just had to kick back and ignore it all to appear the more reasonable to anyone who wants a choice in future elections besides two uniparty sellouts.

>>95860457
>The way you fix this is to tax wealth itself, which no one, especially not yourself, is advocating for.
Actually that sounds great. I'm completely in favor of what you're suggesting.

>>95860460
>And I really wouldn't discount the following he garnered
The following he garnered never allowed him to rise much beyond 10% in the polls. RFK was never a serious candidate, Anon.

>>95860434
>The issue is that ALL rich, Democrat and Republican, are parasites
The funny thing is that they aren't actually rich. Because over 90% of a given upper class household's money is tied into stocks, and selling any those stocks would lower the worth of all their stock, they instead take out loans with stocks as collateral.
You may be wondering "If they take out a loan, how are they paying it back?", and the answer is that they take out another loan. With their stocks as collateral.
One serious economic depression will literally turn 99.999...% of the former top 1% into broke bitches buried in more debt that the lowest 1% currently.
That's why so much government money is going into the stock market right now.

>>95860480
Entirely untrue, they very obviously rigged the questions in many polls, hiding his name behind additional questions or as a write-in, or even straight up not including it at all, and then proceeded to move the goalposts to disqualify multiple studies that he did meet the metrics on in order to keep him out of the debates while still averaging in studies that didn't even have him in it.

>>95860467
The shut the fffffuck up about retarded bullshit that won't work and start talking about wealth concentration which has always been the root cause and manner by which the rich have oppressed people and also go to /pol/

>>95860511
>richpipo are oppressing me

>>95860483
>The current wealthy basically wrote themselves a peace of paper saying they were rich and owned everything, and everyone just believes it.
I fucking hate economics.

>>95860434
leftists calling everyone that works hard and earns their money and succeeds "parasites"
Is more insidious than most people realise.

>>95860526
The fifth CEO of a conglomerate doesn't have to work a fraction as hard as the first, and they in fact have the least to lose in the event that they steer their company into the ground with their golden parachute retirement packages that will ensure they don't have to work for ages after losing their job.

>>95860511
>The shut the fffffuck up about retarded bullshit that won't work
You know there's probably not a "silver bullet" solution, right? We can raise corporate tax rates AND tax wealth directly like you're suggesting.

>>95860526
The main issue that a good amount of current wealthy are classic californians. Noveau Rich who's wealth comes 100% from family/connections with no work on their part and who actively destroy people who actually do work for a living. America really needs to crack down on inheritance, nepotism, and trust fund babies.

>>95860545
Bruh you don't even understand a CEO isn't the owner of a business. You are economically illiterate.
>>95860561
when leftists talk about parasites they are usually dogwhistling about how stereotypical straight white men that obey the law and work hard to earn a home and have a family are someone class criminal "parasites" cheating other people.

>>95860526
>>95860515
I work for a corpo and they made 15 billion in profit this year.

They invested 800 million in the company and 14.2 billion in stocks and bonuses for the top 5% of the company. Wages and insurance have gotten worse every year for the last 10 years, they cut pensions two decades ago and stopped paying into existing pensions 10 years ago. They won't buy new tooling, halting promotions for 3 years, are now looking at "rate adjustments" instead of promotions promising that it will "pay more to employees" (the math is literally 2nd grade and demonstrably untrue they're just lying lol)

Paradigm has been the same and always will be the same. Those with power, take more power, until the system breaks. The rich cannot exist without stealing from the masses. Anyways go be a faggot somewhere else you simpering toddlers, I'm definitely sure you'll be rich one day too even though your real wealth has likely declined over the last 5 years just like everyone else. But if we give more tax breaks and allow the rich to screw us even more it'll trickle down eventually right?

>>95860558
You can raise the corporate tax rate to 200% and it won't do a damn thing. People need to understand why they're getting poorer even as their paychecks go up and until that happens, and people understand that you have to actually go after wealth itself if you want an egalitarian society where a middle class can exist and you can afford a house, we're definitely not going to see the corporate tax rate go up more than 5% lmao. If anything, corporate tax rate is a distraction and a lie sold by the establishment to make people (like the average leftist) target a false solution to a real problem that obfuscates it from them, ensuring they'll never actually figure out anything useful and continue to be a useless, gormless mass.

>>95860575
somehow class*

>>95860575
>talk about parasites
That's intentional. After Occupy Wallstreet scared the shit out of a lot of very wealthy people, the american media complex has been doing everything in its power to turn people against each other based on sex, race, etc, so that nobody looks behind the economic curtain to see pic related.

>>95860395
Three ironic points to remember are that:
>1. Legal Hispanic immigrants absolutely hate illegal Hispanic immigrants
>2. Legal Hispanic immigrants are largely conservative and religious, even moreso than many American conservatives
>3. Leftoids called for all Trump-voting Hispanics to be deported

>>95860612
nah its classic far left rhetoric like kulaks in the USSR.
The idea that if you do the right thing you are a criminal. Its the inverse of reality and can be applied to all of us

>>95860629
The love of money is the root of all evil. The richer someone is, the far more evil they have committed. No one has ever gotten rich off of being a good person.

>>95860635
money is just a token you use to buy things, ascribing more to is irrational superstition and the domain of retards

>>95860646
There is no morality to money, there is certainly a morality to how it is acquired. Those who amass it, hoard it, and keep it, are the worst of us.

>>95860662
Every self made millionaire understands money is just a token

>>95860665
>self made millionaire
An oxymoron.

>>95860629
>its classic far left rhetoric like kulaks in the USSR.
Key word is "Far". America wasn't captured ideologically like that(outside universities) until the 2000's. American media starting using theories from french political scientists(who'd plagiarized their work from the KGB handbook).
99% of America's problem came from France's habit of pulling a horrifying butterfly effect and damaging the entire world(They've done this Many times).

>>95860676
only if you are a dishonest retard
people dont get rich as a fluke

>>95860676
>Hard Work causing success is a myth
This is not correct anon. There are absolutely people that make their money in ethical ways.

>>95860681
the rhetoric that le law abiding hwite men are somehow economic criminals is prevalent in us leftist rhteoric.
Besides it can be applied to anyone of any race and often does.

>>95860681
>99% of America's problem came from France
Why are we allied with these idiots?

>>95860699
>the rhetoric that le law abiding hwite men are somehow economic criminals is prevalent in us leftist rhteoric.
Thank france for that.

>>95860687
>>95860693
Can you name 5 people who became millionaires in the last 20 years coming from nothing who didn't
>win the lottery
>win the lottery (stock market)
>didn't actually come from nothing and got handed their money and/or contacts by a rich friend

The fact of the matter is. You are more likely to win the lottery than get rich by hard work. And you mostly get rich by having a rich friend. The first million is impossible and the second million is inevitable etc etc.

>>95860708
anon you see you didnt understand my point about money being a token.
The reason stonk gamblers get rich is they understand the purpose of money is to be spent.
Holding onto money is worthless, certainly holding onto it to demonstrate affluence is utterly worthless and repugnant

>>95860719
Are you chatGPT or just this much of an autist

>>95860723
I accept your concession

>>95860726
I don't accept that you're a human being. You'd have to be an AI or at least think like one to think the shit you took even passes for the useless concept of philosophy.

>>95860708
>win the lottery (stock market)
Anon, people don't invest in stock randomly and hope for a payout.
An ethical investor actually researches the company they're investing in and the market surrounding them to see which one have future potential for growth and slowly accumulate money assisting in top level decision making.
The fact many stock traders are unethical hacks that just throw money at a corrupt hedge fund or intentionally bankrupt companies to make a quick profit doesn't make them not exist.

>gets demolished in debate
>you are not human
i'll take that as a compliment you pea brained leftard.

>>95860737
>Anon, people don't invest in stock randomly and hope for a payout.

No they mostly engage in insider trading. If you invest normally, you'll never get rich. Maybe you can retire when you're 60 into relative modesty, sure. But that's not what we're fucking talking about you retarded retard. If you wanna get rich off the stock market you gamble, and sometimes, it pays off, and most of the time, you lose all your money.

>>95860708
The easiest way is just making a small business in an unfilled niche and then selling to a larger business when you're 5-year buildup is over.
For example: I knew a guy who noticed florida had a shortage of available toilets during certain community events, so he built up a business renting out porta-potties to local districts when a big holiday, sporting thing, or other event happened. Used the money from buy a couple and renting them out to buy more, along with trucks and workers for cleaning and transport.
After a few years another company say he was making money and gave him an offer for the business. He's now a millionaire.

>>95860754
>If you invest normally, you'll never get rich
It happens all the time anon. That gamestop shit in 2021 was the most visible example, but people genuinely make big profits off smart trading.
The difference is that smart trading requires actual hard work and long hours of research, while the average person invests when line go up and then complain when they aren't magically rich.

>>95860785
Sorry are you the person who said you can get rich ethically? Because betting on Gamestop wasn't very ethical. Not even talking about the poor shorting mega conglomerates, but all the average people who bought in and lost big while a small handful of assholes got a payout.

you are arguing with someone that thinks CEO means diabolical capitalist man that owns the corporation.

>>95860812
>the average people who bought in and lost big while a small handful of assholes got a payout.
Anon, the gme shit is still ongoing. I'm currently up 60,000 on it and it's causing destabilization of the japanese central bank.

>>95860859
No anon, 60 years of bad fiscal policy is causing destabilization of the Japanese central bank, because Keynesians don't actually practice the the most important part of Keynesian Economics. Cutting spending and paying off the debt when the economy is doing well.

>>95860872
>No anon, 60 years of bad fiscal policy
Well, yes. Still nice to be part of the straw breaking the camel's back.

>>95860434
lol who cares about the deficit, that shit's imaginary

>>95860963
>US PPI (purchasing power index) has declined 10 points, to 31 from 41, since 2016. The real household income can purchase only 75% of the value of goods and services as they could 9 years ago

>when you realise people have been groomed for decades to react to a blonde president like trump with seething hatred
its just pavlovian mind control

>>95860785
You do realize that the Gamestop fiasco literally proved that the system will step in and shut laymen out from doing the same tricks the big insiders get to do?

>>95861178
I know this is bait, but see >>95857165
Before he was a political figure he was the quintessential "evil" businessman, he probably replaced the previous image of a multimillionaire being this frail little old man (dunno if also inspired by real life, maybe Rockefeller?). And now we're seeing more Jobs/Musk type characters in that role, like in Glass Onion or Mark Beaks in nuDuck Tales.

>>95861233
Only when it threatens Their money. Most of the time they don't give a shit when 10 or so people make it rich. The Gamestop fiasco thing is still ongoing because the system been decaying for decades and the big insiders are stabbing each other in the back to make it to the other side when things inevitably fail.

>>95858572
Thanks!
So Biden getting primaried means that he won that inner vote withing Democratic party.

>>95862370
"Won".
Suddenly each of his opponent dropped out. Bernie held out the longest. Biden and Harris had the lowest approval of all the Democratic primary candidates.

>>95862370
This implies the DNC doesn't overtly rig its primaries, which it has been with increasingly greater bravado and increasingly less care about hiding it since Obama upset Hillary. 2016 had Donna Brazille and Wasserman-Schultz leading the charge with fed campaign questions and a 95% superdelegate vote, 2020 had the legendary Super Tuesday where everyone but Biden and Bernie dropped out to support the former who was like 3rd or 4th in the running at the time, and now we had Biden's incumbency used as an excuse to cancel most of the process and a backroom deal to swap Kamala in at the last second.

Did 4chan's mod/janny team actually get an overhaul after the hack? Are we free?

>>95863356
>>95862722
Yea, it's all turbo-corrupt, but I just wanted to get the meaning of the word, or rather what it's supposed to mean.
Thanks again, anons.

Is this a Mutant Chronicles thread or a complaining about woke thread? Trying to decide if I want to read it.

>>95844784 (OP)
>he Dark Soul can't be defeated
He's right tho, souls slop will plague video games forever.

>>95866175
It's a complaining about woke thread.

>>95866190
God you people are so gay. I love Mutant Chronicles and Warzone but we never have threads about it.

Anyway, I recently commissioned an artist to do a facelift / light redesign of the five Dark Apostles cause as much as I love Muawijhe and co the art is a little goofy 30+ years on. I think it turned out pretty good.

>>95844892
>even the subtle stuff like every single time a book uses a gendered pronoun for a PC it's female.
They did this for DnD 3.5 but I supported it then because it promotes qt DnD characters.

>>95852773
>DOGE keeps making these cuts thet sound impressive
Even if they're not impressive, why should those fags be allowed to waste that money anyway? Sure it's a drop in the bucket, but the entire bucket is made of droplets.
It's like
>oh you're just saving 20 million, don't you know that we waste 20 BILLION? What a waste of your time lol
This isn't a good argument bro
Unless doge is actually SPENDING money instead of saving it, then any amount of saving it is better than none.

>>95851201
And FATAL is older than you but we still make fun of it. Why not just stop being disingenuous and actually be upfront about the fact that you liked Rudi?

>>95866202
Considering running a game of Mutant Chronicles sometime for my friends. What would you say is the best edition to get a bunch of newcomers into it?

>>95866202
What do the originals look like? Google doesn't show me anything close to what you posted.

>>95866315
Personally I would say 2nd ed but I have little experience with whatever changes they made with 3rd.

>>95866336
See image, I arranged them roughly the same as they are in the drawing I posted earlier. The Dark Soul is in the middle but as far as I know it never got any art in the original so I have nothing to compare it to.

>>95844804
Triggered

>>95866283
You are trusting the information that DOGE is putting out, but it has been proven they cooked the books and are not counting their savings appropriately.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2025/02/19/here-are-the-biggest-doge-hoaxes-and-inaccuracies-as-8-million-canceled-ice-contract-listed-at-8-billion/
Second, by cutting National Parks, the IRS, and other services along with firing a bunch of government workers the US government is actually going to lose far more money that is saved because a lot of these things bring in more money than is spent, and a lot of them provide actual services to US citizens which are no longer being provided.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/doge-cuts-cost-135-billion-analysis-elon-musk-department-of-government-efficiency/
>>95851700
>I'll say something like "I don't see why cancelling a bunch of retarded USAID programs is a bad thing."
Because tens of thousands of people have died already from those cuts which made up a negligible amount of our budget. And not just anyone but some of the poorest and most impobershed people on earth, including children. Even from a (psychotic) selfish perspective USAID provided a huge amount of soft power and goodwill towards the US which has been destroyed.
You are certainly retarded, and you probably have some kind of mental hangup from your childhood which has caused you to seek a new daddy in the form of a political strongman. Please never post again or better yet kys.

>>95869928
>Links two articles rather than actual papers.
>One article only has one source, an unname "Analyst" they refuse to cite.
>The other is a list of "gotchas", only one of which has any credibility and even then doesn't support the claim
I'm not saying you're wrong, but the links you shared are trash. Don't just assume things are fact because they align with your bias, get better evidence.

>>95844804
>If the PCs just do the sensible thing and kill the kids, the book gets pissy and goes "Okay, you won. Happy now?"
I mean, SOMERSAULT is mass infanticide motivated by the Director's personal fear of Deep Ones. It is quite literally and without exaggeration attempted genocide perpetuated by a shadowy paramilitary group within the US Government with little to no actual oversight. If you want to talk about fascists, The Program is led by a baby-killing race purist.
Delta Green has already made the decision as to whether or not it accepts "child-killing racists", and the answer is definitively yes. That's the writers' decison. They can decry the effects all they want, but shooting tainted children is absolutely standard operating procedure for Delta Green. The agents are morally flexible at best by the very design of the setting and game.

>>95869928
>You are trusting the information that DOGE is putting out, but it has been proven they cooked the books and are not counting their savings appropriately.
>Because tens of thousands of people have died already from those cuts which made up a negligible amount of our budget.
I think we're just in a holding pattern where we just have totally incompatible perspectives on what's happening in the world.
Because, apparently, you say all the facts I have access to are lies, and honestly, I think all the "facts" you have access to are lies to. 'Tens of thousands of people have died,' yeah right. I think liberals just literally make up dead kids because if you make up enough dead kids you can justify whatever you want. It's the same reason everything is Hitler Nazi'd; if you call your opponents Hitler, literally anything is justified and on the table. And then you say I support Hitler or whatever just because I don't acquiesce to your fake bullshit every single time.
There gets to be a point where I just say you're the boy who cried wolf, and I don't believe you when you talk anymore.
To make myself even fucking clearer, it's not that I want people to get hurt, or die, or any of that. I don't even really disagree with the left policy position.
I just hate the idea that the left seems like an endless propaganda mill. Your leaders and little propagandists lie so fucking constantly that, honestly, if you feel like I don't take your opinions seriously, I'd honestly just say that this is what you get when your side lies this much. People don't listen to you anymore or give you the benefit of the doubt.
But hell, maybe you have roughly the same opinion, from the other side of the fence. I'd like to trust you and meet you in the middle, but every time I do that I just get nickle and dimed into compromising with a person who will absolutely not compromise with me under any circumstances, so we're just in a mutually shitty impasse.

>>95872673
> 'Tens of thousands of people have died,' yeah right.

What do you think food aid is for exactly you directionbrained moron? Whatever happened to the 2 trillion Mollusk said he'd save? Then the one trillion? Then the increasingly small sums of billions that wasn't being lost to fraud but food and medicine to sick and starving people?

>>95872845
Actually, necessary work continues to get done. For example, one of the USAID things that was cancelled was free AIDS medication for African children. Alright. It did get cut in the blanket cuts.
But the Red Cross immediately stepped in to pick up the slack, and frankly, I get that having their funding cut is a big disruption, but any US orgs that are genuinely necessary will get their funding back, and until then they're being supported by the dozens upon dozens of charities who do the same kinds of missions.
In other words, it's not that bad, but you want to lie about all these dead kids because you're forcing a narrative. No kids are actually dying, you're basically just saying that they hypothetically could, which means they are, which means I'm a bad person for not doing whatever you say.
So... At some point I just start responding to you people with rolling my eyes and telling you to fuck off.
It reminds me of when AOC did that photo op of herself at a parking lot fence, lying about how there were a bunch of kids in cages. She was actually at a parking lot in a different town and it was a lie, but for some reason I was supposed to overlook that it was a lie, and still trust your scam propaganda bullshit after that. It just seems like obsessive, constant narrative weaseling, twitter spinjob BS, and then you wonder why I don't listen to you?
You're absolutely right that I'm not taking you seriously, and I don't really care about what you have to say all that much. I think that's a reasonable standpoint because your side has spent the last decade shoveling your credibility into a furnace. I wasn't the one who made you do that, but it's just the causal consequence of your own media strategy.

To this day the best take/essay on the subject of whether politics belong in gaming is this one by Shamus Young (rip)

https://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=33885

tl;dr politics in fiction isn't automatically bad and can actually be quite good, but there's a lot of ways to fuck it up, which writers often do

>>95861264
except he wasnt, Trump was well liked before he ran.
He was treated like a famous landmark of New York and featured in family friendly movies and ads, so evil, yeah you are full of it

>>95844851
I hope it makes them seethe that i take all their hard work to DIE-fuck star trek and then... go and kirk things.

>>95852807
Ha ha ha ha ha.
Oh wait. The npc bot is serious. Let me laugh harder!

>>95856013
What primary did biden lose?
For that matter what primary did Kamel Ugh win?

>>95873101
Shamus died too young.
The vast majority of his opinions are just obviously right. And anything that's even slightly controversial, he always had the good sense to either not talk about it at all, or talk about it in a very measured, reasonable way.
He's a (Minor) cultural figure that continues to stand the test of time untarnished. In a cosmic sense, his legacy is secure.

>>95853659
You posting from the future or something? What do you know that we don't?

>>95852680
I somehow don't think it would be beneficial for the American economy to have a corporate tax rate that's double to triple the rate in European countries.
You already have companies fleeing to Ireland because of corporate tax being proportionally high in USA

Also, why would you want higher corporate taxes? The only thing that does is make it harder for businesses to suceed. Surely you'd want to tax the people who give themselves a high income based on the earnings of corporations, and maybe find some way to tax capital gains fairly so there's no loopholes.

>>95860296
>We know for a fact that Trump is deporting US citizens
Do you really think ICE has deported a ton of US citizens these past months and none of those people have managed to get hold of a phone to call the press, or have families who have complained to the media? You don't think that sounds kinda far fetched?

>for all we know less than half of those deported are actually illegals.
... Anon, what?
Okay, I've spent a little while trying to find some info on this, and I read a couple articles, including a New York Magazine one called "All the U.S. Citizens Who’ve Been Caught Up in Trump’s Immigration Crackdown"

And the list of confirmed legal US citizens who have been deported are as follows:
>A 2 year old who was deported to Honduras because ICE obviously doesn't take underage kids away from their mothers
>a 4 and 7 year old, also sent to Honduras with their mother
>5 siblings aged 10-18, who were deported with their parents to mexico

So 8 children who went with their parents. These aren't even wrongful deportations by the way. ICE isn't supposed to break up families, so this is the only solution. Those kids are still birthright citizens, so they can just come back when they turn 18.

Honestly this feel similar to that poll that showed the average democrat thinks 50.000 unarmed blacks are killed by police every year when the real number is ~8. People expect the numbers to match the amount of outrage they see in the media.

>>95860812
>but all the average people who bought in and lost big while a small handful of assholes got a payout.
Sure the guys who sold at 80 probably made a nice back, but it's $22 right now, so most of the memers who bought into it in 2020 will be up compared to when they bought in.

>>95882966
>Honestly this feel similar to that poll that showed the average democrat thinks 50.000 unarmed blacks are killed by police every year when the real number is ~8
Or how more unarmed black men are killed each year by other black men in Chicago than have been killed by police of all races nationwide in well over a decade. No demonstrations or gold coffins for them though.

>>95856013
>he was our only shot at beating Trump
>>95858456
>he was still the best shot Democrats had at beating Trump.
Because Democrat manipulation to hide Biden's condition prevented sufficient outcry to run another candidate. Otherwise, there would have been TIME for someone else run run a campaign, someone not completely senile.
>We wanted *anyone but Trump*.
And that's what caused you to get your ass kicked so completely.
>Democrats didn’t lose on the issues.
Democrats lost on nothing but the issues, and the fact it was literally impossible for Harris to win. As part of Biden's administration, she shared accountability for his many, MANY failures. But she can't condemn those failures, without condemning herself, so she was forced to say Biden did nothing wrong. She never had a chance.
>vastly overestimated the ethics and morality of the average American.
The inherently superior ethics and morality of Americans is why we voted FOR Trump, dingus.

I can't believe this thread hasn't been deleted.

>>95888524
The leftie janny that used to run /tg/ got spooked during the hack and hasn't returned, thank God. Now we don't have to pretend politics isn't /tg/ relevant, because the insistence on publishers putting their ideologies in books MAKES it relevant, like it or not.

>>95866202
Sweet, is the guy at the center supposed to be the Dark Soul itself?

>>95888529
good

>>95844784 (OP)
>The players have to trace the source of the pills and confront Stevia before any more spree-killings happen.
>Stevia
...the artificial sweetener?

>>95888595
>let me tell you folks, I've had a lot of sugar in my life. Good sugar, let me tell you. But when the Caribbean sends over their cane sugar, they're not sending their best. Diabetes, tooth decay, bad breath, is that what we want for the American people? Not to mention the loss of American jobs. That's why I have come with an executive order to impose 300% tarifs on cane sugar imports and expand the domestic production of American artificial sweeteners. And it will be beautiful, folks. The BEST artificial sweetener. You know, I spoke with Macaron the other day, great guy, clever fella, and he said, and I kid you not folks, "monsieur Stevia, zhis is ze best artificial sweetener I 'ave ever 'ad!". And he knows his sweeteners folks, let me tell you.

>>95844784 (OP)
>Drumpf
Lol, lmao even

>>95882966
>Okay, I've spent a little while trying to find some info on this, and I read a couple articles, including a New York Magazine one called "All the U.S. Citizens Who’ve Been Caught Up in Trump’s Immigration Crackdown"
>And the list of confirmed legal US citizens who have been deported are as follows:
*stops replying to u and slinks away to another thread to regurgitate my retarded claims*
nuffin personnel chud

>>95888529
>>95888546
Whomever they've replaced him with does seem to linger in character art threads and osrg.

>>95859329
>stop recording everyone who comes into the country illegally
>illegal immigration rate falls

>start recording again
>illegal immigration rate rises

>propose a bill to declare all of those illegals to be now legal
>blame the people voting against it for the flood of illegals

>>95872845
If you could actually prove the claim that ten thousand gajillion bazillion people have died because of DOGE, you would have done so by now.

I can't help but notice you presented no proof.

>>95888529
So I can actually push back against leftoid redditor bullshit without having to switch IPs every 5 minutes? Based. Make jannies afraid again.

>>95844784 (OP)
thats hillarious

>>95860341
And how many of these businesses have been charged for illegally hiring those migrants?