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Is modern day setting fantasy doomed to always be angsty alt-slop with vampires and hidden parallel worlds or are there different viable takes on it?
Even calling it urban fantasy sets the expections for a certain type of game, but some of the potential alternatives like bright or gate simply suck for various reasons.

It feels like there should be a potentially fun mix of supernatural and modern day elements, but I've never seen it done well.

Basically, people are lazy and don't want to figure out all the differences that would exist if fantastical elements were present in the modern world. And there WOULD be pretty substantial differences. The easiest way to avoid them is to posit that, actually, those elements ARE present in the modern world, just hidden, and then you end up at the World of Darkness/Dresden Files/Harry Potter model.

>>95845377 (OP)
How many more of those threads you plan to make this week?

There are so many well known different takes on it that you could easily find by just not living under a fucking rock.

>>95845412
One for each batch of new AI-sluts with pointy ears.

>>95845403
Or you do a gate scenario without the jingoism and connect two worlds with already developed societies that can interact.
I suppose shadowrun is sort of similar with a critical event as the point of departure into their version of the future

>>95845377 (OP)
your taste in porn is pretty shit.

>>95845556
Women wearing jeans and tank tops isn't porn

mmm...sloppa

>>95845377 (OP)
It could always be flavourless ai generated gooner slop

>>95845437
>without the jingoism
But that was the best part?

>>95845403
>fantastical elements
>modern world
Choose one. Would we develop a modern agriculture if one can cast a Goodberry? Would we develop a modern medicine if one can cast Cure Light/Moderate/... Wounds? Would we develop modern firearms if one can wave a Wand of Magic Missile? Would we develop a modern transport if one can setup a Teleportation Circle? Anon, modern world as we know it wouldn't develop at all.
>>95845377 (OP)
>retarded AI slopper never heard about Shadowrun
Many such cases.

>>95845377 (OP)
>are there different viable takes on it?
Yes, replace the angst with hilariously weird fetishes and scientifically dubious diet advice. Or play Shadowrun, I'm not your dad.

>>95847837
I hate that manga. Frumpy fat girls are not attractive. Not even 2d can change this fact.

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>>95847222
shadowrun is very clearly cyberpunk future alhoewevbeight

>>95845377 (OP)
GOOD MORNING SIR

>>95846105
I can accept elves and dragons but I cannot suspend my disbelief enough to buy that Japan has the best army in the world and can effortlessly roll over a fantasy world with magic users

>>95849988
>best army
It's a literal plot point that the JSDF isn't the best army, though the SF firefight was absolutely cringe.

>>95849988
That mostly stems from how little actual combat Japan has seen over the last 70 years. China, for instance, has a large army but it is generally absolute shit. For instance, they had a peacekeeping detail in Sudan (or was it South Sudan?) And rebels basically fired a couple shots and the Chinese force just gave up and surrendered. Hell, its semi-routine border clashes with India are, by agreement, not even allowed to use guns or explosives, so the two sides just beat each other with sticks and rocks and basically always stalemate each other.
Japan's defense force, on paper, is okay, but it is decades without actual-combat testing so it can lead to ideas they MUST be good because of all the training and equipment without looking at other powers and how they largely fail once put to the test.

>>95845377 (OP)
I desperately want a game of modern fantasy with humans and elves and dragons and magic without "oooh, it is a secret they exist" and other bullshit. Just give me elves living in the city having to pick up dungeon delving as a gig to supplement their job as an office drone, a dwarf running a local bar with his former college roommate, and two dragons feuding online over who is the hottest jpop singer.

>>95850200
Shadowrun?

>>95845377 (OP)
I feel like Unknown Armies does a good job of it because at its core it's like "what if every schizo insane secret theory of the world is true but also kind of stupid and pettu?"

>>95845377 (OP)
The problem comes from figuring out how to juggle the various elements together or how much importance they actually have.

Does the presence of modern looking amenities and such have any real impact on the setting itself?

>>95845377 (OP)
Let's turn this on its head for a second. 90's style hidden-vampire-world stuff is an allegory (like almost everything, but especially stories rooted in the world the author lives in "with a twist").
You're trapped in an unfulfilling world. Everything seems at once overbearingly oppressive but also stultifyingly banal and boring. Everyone who is in power parrots the same lines about "realistic" and "budgets" and "duty." But then you (through a chance encounter) meet someone and are transformed. You begin to hear about the cool places you can go (usually at night) where the oppressors don't care to follow you. You meet likeminded people, enemies, likeminded people who turn out to be enemies, people from opposing groups who might be chill, oppressors infiltrating the spaces, and occasionally you have to run away from the oppressor's use of force. You learn the language the oppressors don't use, adopt fashions that mark you out to those in the know. Your growing power and freedom scares the oppressors and even your own family or old circle of friends who knew you before you changed. You meet allies who have some of the oppressor's tricks for their own (money, influence, private spaces). You flirt with being gay.
Vampire and its ilk are about being a Gen X teenager coming into the cusp of adult life, with particular reference to being a Goth or similar. It's written in overwrought ways, but that's what it is.

So what do you want your version of urban fantasy to be an allegory for?

>>95849988
Depending on the fantasy world, you wouldn't need the best army ever. Pretty sure lore-accurate Cyrodiil could be conquered by Argentina.

>>95850254
Modern, not "cyberpunk but with fantasy pasted over it"

Search the SCP wiki for Pataphysics and Memetics.
Pataphysics: higher and lower realities
Memetics: dimension of thought / ideas
These are very high-concept fantasy genres but you have search the high-IQ sources for them.

>>95850789
Drones, computers, shitty civilian life... Looks modern to me.

>>95845377 (OP)
Lack of default templates.

The the elves, dwarfs and orcs stamp we're used to doesn't fit, without changing what made it work in your typical fantasy setting.

The alternative seems to be WoD, which is per definition "angsty alt-slop with vampires".

People need inspiration to generate new ideas, but most people have stopped consuming the type of media suitable to inspire new types of fantasy or they haven't made the connection yet.

It's a childrens story, but unironically one of the best takes on modern day fantasy in terms of world building might be Hildam

>>95845377 (OP)
>Is modern day setting fantasy doomed to always be angsty alt-slop with vampires and hidden parallel worlds or are there different viable takes on it?
Yes, but it's rare. Harry Potter was a generally negative influence on the genre as a whole, but there are still a few gems.

I think one of the better ways to handle it is to largely just not make a big deal about it. I kind of love the way Big Trouble in Little China handles it. Where the whole is largely out in the open... just in a part of the USA nobody cares about.

>>95850659
Cyrodill is weird since technically magic would be a pretty big deal changer. Unfortunately only Elder Scrolls online really does a decent job depicting that.

>>95845377 (OP)
Well, I don't think you're going to get a "regular" modern day kind of setting. People don't play in those kinds of settings for a reason. At some point, what you're asking for is the Sims, but at the table.
Even World of Darkness at least has the fact that this parallel Earth is a shithole to drive conflict. It's hard to do a setting in the modern day that isn't some type of dystopia because otherwise there'd be nothing to fucking DO unless you wanted to describe working in a fucking office.
I see where you're coming from in a thought-experiment kind of way, I just think it doesn't pan out for pretty obvious reasons.

>>95845377 (OP)
Traditional games?

>>95847222
>Shadowrun
Expecting people to play anything other than DnD or home brews of the base rule set is setting yourself up for disappointment. Asking people to play Shadowrun is asking for the second coming.

One of my favorite aesthetics is "overtly fantasy-looking character using a smartphone as an everyday object."

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>>95852025
a modern setting doesn't automatically mean the players have to work boring jobs, just like playing in a medeival fantasy world doesn't mean the players have to be peasants working the fields all session.
Just look at the plethora of movies and games set in the modern day

>>95852935
I genuinely can't think of a modern day system that isn't complicated by some kind of magic or bullshit.
I guess you could play a weirdly generic version of GURPS, but I've never met a sane human who played GURPS.

Wasnt Final Fantasy 15 like this? A boyband in a convertible unting monsters and dodging a mechanized army?

>>95845377 (OP)
>cries about slop
>while posting slop
Ironic.

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Only good posts in the whole thread, and they're as mid as it gets.

>>95853174
Run GDWs twilight 2000 and homebrew as much/little magic and supernatural stuff as you want.

>>95853174
What's your point?
Just pick any other of the dozens of generic systems available. If you have some weird aversion of generic systems pick any other system with a modern setting, like delta green, gumshoe or any of the many spy ttrpgs.
Heck, most cyberpunk systems can be adapted to the current state of technology with barely any effort.

Besides: The post you're replying to was about the fallacy that a modern setting would be boring, and did nowhere talk about a recommended system. You're just bitching out of nowhere.

How come no one has mentioned Pokemon yet?
It's one of the best examples of how to do fantasy in a modern setting.

It's like >>95850984 said. The standard fantasy molds don't fit on a modern setting, so you're better of doing something uniqe.

>>95845377 (OP)
Honest answer there’s two ways to pull it off:
Shadowrun and final fantasy
Either you embrace the modern bit in storytelling and become modern mercenaries or you embrace the high fantasy and fight god from your old best up Toyota
There’s no middle ground

>>95850137
They didn't get sent to Syria? I remember reading something like that

>>95850647
>So what do you want your version of urban fantasy to be an allegory for?
me wanting an elf gf. I hate allegory

>>95845377 (OP)
I'd like a setting that has the same basic premise as gate, but instead of jerking off the japanese army it's about the cultural and economic exchange between two worlds.

We all know full well the first thing that would happen if a portal to a fantasy world opened up was that the members in every board room of every company in the world would get dollar signs in their eyes at the thought of a giant untapped market and almost no matter how hard travel between the worlds was controlled you'd end up with insane anachronisms as the fantasy world started trading magic stuff that might not be that remarkable to them in exchange of modern day consumer goods.
You'd be able to build exactly whatever sort of weird mix of styles you wanted in such a scenario. You might even say that exporting any types of modern weapons from Earth is the one thing that's strictly forbidden so you get knights charging on motorcycles, but no guns.

>>95847222
Fantastical elements isn't the same as 5e spell list and mechanics faggot

>>95845377 (OP)
Hidden parallel world is the best take possible. What if mafia was vampires? What if bikers was werewolves? What if oil company was reincarnated dinosaur necromancers filling the atmosphere with the remains of their people and when it reaches sufficient saturation, boom, global dinosaur resurrection?

>>95856686
No, it's awful

>>95845377 (OP)
Can someone regen this but give the elf girl put hair?

>>95845377 (OP)
The main issue with modernizing a high fantasy setting is that applying scientific theory to a magic system typically snowballs into exponential power.
Think of your average D&D setting. Now look up "D&D 3.5 famous optimized builds". The latter are what happens when someone fully understand the magic system they are dealing with.
Scientists unironically do this in real life and we call it "Technology". We're currently talking over creations made from highly optimized usage of Rocks and Fire.

>>95860901
what do you mean?

>>95861080
You have a point, but it doesn't have be certain that people in the setting has the meta-knowledge and comprehensive picture players have when reading the rules.
That might actually be the case in D&D in which case the problems of rationalizing magic is an issue there too. However, you could create a magic system that is too inefficient, inconsistent, obscure, esoteric, high cost, etc. to prevent it from being "industrialized". Think ancient masters in kung fu movies that can catch bullets with their fingers, but this power is so deeply tied to cultivating personal abilities and traits that the method will be different for everyone and require so much effort that it's impossible to teach to normal soldiers even if it had been really useful to them.
Another alternative is to go the arcanum route and have magic and technology fail when close to each other, although I think that would require very strict boundaries on where the tech level failure threshold goes

>>95850789
Take out the ware of oldrun and ware/AR of new run and you're pretty close to real life. Shadowrun never did the whole "everyone one day decided to demolish every building and rebuild into a neon hellscape" so society as a whole has mostly evolved realistically.
Just with fantasy races and magic having existed for 50-70 years depending on time period.
Also if oldrun then you have conspiracy theorists figuring out that magic actually has been around for thousands of years but for the last 5000 it was too weak to be used save for a few random occurrences throughout history.

>>95861328
Bro. You should just put these pics in a mega or something with a subfolder for all of the futa Drow.

>>95861544
I'm proud to say I've made zero futa gens (I'm not transsexual)

>>95861328
>what do you mean?
NAYRT but I think they mean "pit hair" as in hair on their armpits

>>95861544
Post yours first

>>95845377 (OP)
>>95861328
So now that people are making models for the Recluse from Night Reign are you going to make your dark elves darker?

>>95861777
there are already loras for that, I've never been entirely happy with them though. Might be fun to fix Recluse by adding pointy ears though. I bet that would make a fun /v/ thread or two

>>95862027
I've always preferred the darker tones, but I'm too much of an easily addicted retard to trust myself with doing my own gens.
Good luck with the Recluse posting though, I imagine that'll trigger some people.

>>95861328
>However, you could create a magic system that is too inefficient, inconsistent, obscure, esoteric, high cost, etc. to prevent it from being "industrialized"
Anon, Nothing you ever come up with will be anywhere close to as inefficient, inconsistent, obscure, esoteric, high cost, etc, than Actual Real-Life Physics.

>>95862027
Can you go darker?

>>95861328
This >>95861627

>>95863463
at least physics works the same for everyone and every day. Imagine magic worked differently for everyone and could arbitrarily change at any time

>>95845431
Maybe that guy should find a hobby.

>>95845760
If it posts like weak-willed coomer and gens like a weak-willled coomer...

>>95862240
>>95864682
that's about as dark as it gets

Wow, a potential discussion gets turned into an offshoot of /slop/.
AI faggots are truly subhuman.

>>95869868
well do you have anything to add or does AI just make you seethe?

>>95869950
Unfortunately not. I've already tried to address the thread question, but apparently this aint a thread to talk about games.
So if your kind can shit up a conversation, I guess I'll just do the same.

Guys, there's a pretty decent webcomic going on right now with a premise exactly like this

https://rosegrey.thecomicseries.com/comics/1/#content-start

>>95868532
When you seethe about "coomers" you're just telling everyone you're impotent.

>>95870076
elf office ladies status?

>>95870668
There's happy middleground between "tugs meat around the clock like an imbecil" and "can't and won't get it up". Of course a coomer like you could never understand.

>>95871183
>elf office ladies status?
Orced

>>95871303
t. Merrian Goldburrow

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>>95852211
I like that each smartphone is clearly customized, suggesting that they have owned them for a while and actively tweaked the exterior to go with their fit.

>>95872527
Didn't even notice that

>>95845377 (OP)
reverse isekai with the party desperately trying to find a way back to their fantasy world before the glowniggers catch them.

>>95878730
No, just give us dark elf office managers

>>95845377 (OP)
I hope not, vampires are fucking cool.

>>95875143
great, just terrific stuff.
Now draw her pissing into a wine glass.

>>95879826
I can't for the life of me figure out how to incorporate elf office ladies into a game. Best I can do is that the party needs to go undercover to enter a office highrise or something

>>95845412
Have sex, trooncel.

>>95878730
Name 5 game systems that allow you to play this without mentioning gurps

>>95850647
I think i'd lean towards discovering the disillusionment of adulthood. Losing the freedom and creativity you maybe didn't even realise you had, having to adapt it and subsume it into the daily grind. Magic items are mass produced. Yeah, you were talented at arithmancy, Hermione, such wonderful talent, genuinely pleased at having you here in the finance department, now apply it to doing these accounts on time (aka excel shenanigans). And the excel reference is my governing aesthetic - personally I'd have this world run on Flintstones rules. So your washing machine is some sort of bound water elemental, perhaps. Everyone is glued to the scrying crystal in their pocket, and you're not entirely sure if your job will still exist in a few years, if all this talk about Thinking Golems is even half-true.

>>95882174
Counter point: it’s the real world only enchanted and not garbage,
You don’t have to replace your broken down washing machine, just go on a magical quest to help your water spirit,
Your office job includes fighting off ghouls sent by the rival company and in the evening you ride a gryphon into the sunset.
It’s not just easy and just wish fulfillment , but a less drudging version of our world.
Ideally tho I’d like something more final fantasy esque where it isn’t exactly like our world
It’s just a fantasy setting that happens to have some modern day trappings and technology without it beeing a gimmick

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Elven megacorporations, or something like that.

>>95882567
>Garbage
Harsh but fair; I did lean a little too much into my distant "student playing oWoD" and it all sucks" days.
I think part of the problem with these settings is that so much of what we have now IS borderline 'magical world'. The modern smartphone, for instance, would have been near James Bond/Star Trek levels of technosorcery bullshit not too long ago.

>>95871183

Can you imagine if elves were real? They'd be squatting every decent office job, never retiring, and only hiring other elves. It would be like Boomers and Jews on steroids.

>>95845377 (OP)

The problem with vampires is that they're too clean and sexy. For an urban fantasy parasitic feeder species I'd want something like the Eaters in Bones and All. I mean, getting over the squick of eating corpses is way more of a hurdle than just licking some blood from someone's neck.

>>95881351
typical corpo types as NPCs. Former employees as PCs so they're not going to be limited by having to go to a day job. Also great opportunity to give them some backstory and motivation why they lost/quit their job and had to start doing typical dangerous player character stuff

>>95856686
>What if oil company was reincarnated dinosaur necromancers filling the atmosphere with the remains of their people and when it reaches sufficient saturation, boom, global dinosaur resurrection?

Why are you giving spoilers about the next Jurasic World movie?

>>95845377 (OP)
the problem is trying to force in fantasy races where they don't belong

are there actually modern fantasy settings? like all I've seen is industrial era fantasy and sci-fi fantasy settings, but not true modern era

>>95882843
Sorry... umm Charles right? The position is no longer available, Lianthorn proved to be very qualified but there is an opening in... ... warehouse if you're interested.

>>95882695
By enchanted I do not refer to „magical“ but rather „imbued with meaning“
I’m rather happy with my life and don’t hate the modern world on principle, I’m not some it’s all shit edgelord.
But meaning and mystery is scarce these days.
Jobs feel like serf work for faceless machines, there’s no white spots on the map, love seems increasingly rare in young people.
People feel less and less genuine.
What I mean is a world that’s not that.
There ARE dragons across that hill, unexplored lands still wait on the horizon even if we have air travel
Love is real and special,
And you CAN fight for a real greater good that isn’t just a bottom line or some materialistic ideology

>>95886397
Be quiet this thread is exactly about that.
Especially funny coming from a weeb considering that especially the Japanese give zero shits about genre conventions

>>95845377 (OP)
So I should run GURPS, d6, or Genesys for this kind of game, right?

>>95888104
>giving zero shits about genre conventions
which the thread is about since genre conventions hold modern fantasy back.
Though Guilty Gear itself can only be considered modern fantasy in the time between the late 90s to 2074, from then on it is post apocalypse. Like shadowrun it has a couple of timeline altering events, setting it apart from reality and making it fantasy.
>>95886732
harry potter, bartimaeus would be two that come to mind

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>>95892161
>posts the trooncore fightgame
>thinks xir opinion matters
Lawl

>>95881380
Slopspamming is inherently transcoded

>>95845377 (OP)

Shadowrun.

It has corporate mages. It has orc gangs. It has hot elf secretaries. It has dwarf drone pilots. And they are all racist.

I presume most of the idea space for modern fantasy is taken up by superhero stories at the moment.
You either need an alternate history world, or an event that drastically changes it in a fantastic way.
Many of those seem to very quickly advance into sci-fi status instead of staying a modern setting
>>95893037
you sound rather mad, kek

>>95894451
Don't hurt yourself on your dilator, champ

>>95893060
Yet trannies are the ones that get mad as AIgods... curious

>>95896338
Are you kidding? Trannies (like yourself) are avowed technophiles since they always inagine themselves as some sort of cyberpunk transhuman hacker princess or some shit. It's a really bizarre form of delusion where they think they're "breaking the system" and "rebelling" by...directly lining megacorp pockets

Just like slopspammers.

>>95896792
More like imagine xerxelves as oppressed artists that are literally being genocide because people aren't giving them money.

>supporting megacorps by locally generating pictures on my computer
Huh?

We pretend to have adventures in fantasy settings because we cannot actually shoot fireballs and kill dragons.
People who roleplay modern day social settings do so because they can't participate in normal society due to being fat gay freaks. Of course the pool of users is immediately poisoned, if I want to play in a modern social setting I go the fuck outside.

>>95894451
>I presume most of the idea space for modern fantasy is taken up by superhero stories at the moment.
surely someone has done "high level adventurer-type gets reversed isekai'd to modern earth and becomes a superhero" at this point, right?

>>95882567
That seems like it'd get exhausting over time and would get subcontracted out
I mean, i'd enjoy it but i'm not the majority of the populace who definitely does not want to live in the world of Regular Show and arm wrestle some ifrit so the apartment building can have working stoves.
The appeal of modern conveniences against fantastic and horrible things is that they have a stark contrast, a reprieve, a hard sanctuary of peace and order against the swirling chaos. You spend hard days of toil and struggle then you get to go into your cozy home, take a warm shower, and watch a movie with your non-human waifu. If that bullshit also invades my living space there's a damn problem.

>>95850647
>90's style hidden-vampire-world stuff is an allegory (like almost everything, but especially stories rooted in the world the author lives in "with a twist").
>You're trapped in an unfulfilling world. Everything seems at once overbearingly oppressive but also stultifyingly banal and boring. Everyone who is in power parrots the same lines about "realistic" and "budgets" and "duty." But then you (through a chance encounter) meet someone and are transformed. You begin to hear about the cool places you can go (usually at night) where the oppressors don't care to follow you. You meet likeminded people, enemies, likeminded people who turn out to be enemies, people from opposing groups who might be chill, oppressors infiltrating the spaces, and occasionally you have to run away from the oppressor's use of force. You learn the language the oppressors don't use, adopt fashions that mark you out to those in the know. Your growing power and freedom scares the oppressors and even your own family or old circle of friends who knew you before you changed. You meet allies who have some of the oppressor's tricks for their own (money, influence, private spaces)
I was born in 91 and this is all I have ever wanted. Bought V:tM Revised when I was 11 or so. I'm gonna listen to Dog Man Star now.

>>95847222
It really, REALLY depends on things like the availability of magic, whether or not magic can be industrialized in any capacity, etc.

>>95849988
Powerful magic isn't immensely common in Gate. They are mostly fighting what are basically roman legions and feudal auxiliaries.

>>95861080
That depends on the nature of magic in the setting. Full on magitech being present throughout the setting requires things like anyone being able to learn magic, it being possible to basically automate magic, etc.

>>95878730
You could probably use Shadowrun, just chuck out decking, ware, and anything else futuristic/cyberpunk.

>>95882567
Division of labor. No office job in a first world country is going to include defending the worksite in the job description. There would just be security guards who do that.

>>95845377 (OP)
Just do the 1940's but with High Elf national socialists

>>95909717
No, that's awful and dumb

>Is modern day setting fantasy doomed to always be angsty alt-slop with vampires and hidden parallel worlds or are there different viable takes on it?
I mean you can always just have "modern world but fantasy shit is openly known about and dealt with".

You have to deal with certain important issues, but it can be done.

Dangerous magical creatures have been for the most part either driven to extinction, corralled to nature preserves, or put on protected species lists and tracked. Healing and protected magic are incorporated into public school curriculums. Either long-lived races are socially dominant, there are no long-lived races, or all races are long-lived through magical life extension. Crime rates are relatively low and unpermitted spellcasting of certain dangerous categories is criminalized and tracked by the police. Magic is widely incorporated into technology, creating a slightly or heavily advanced version of modern tech. Infrastructure is designed to accommodate a wide variety of body plans or shapeshifting/growth/shrinking magic is widely available and taught young (which would itself mean everyone is hot). Social norms have to accommodate the biologies and religious/ethnic practices of the various races, e.g. if succubi are about then public indecency isn't frowned upon or blood donation is widely performed for the sake of vampires or nobody is buried so ghouls can eat or gods are public figures and treated as celebrities or business leaders or idols or megachurch pastors or whatever else depending on their method of operation and domain. Travel has to account for flying races, flying creatures, flying magic, teleportation, etc. Pollution is an issue for dryads and mermaids. Oh, and cultural practices and laws have to account for races capable of reproducing asexually or splitting themselves or combining or whatever else.

What I'm saying is there's a reason most modern fantasy settings are hidden. And why they fall apart easily.

>>95910771
Or you embrace the chaos

>>95871263
Except you're pretty much both, since a pretty woman in relatively modest clothing is somehow porn to you. Seriously, there are plenty of Islamic shitholes for you to move to that will be just as puritanical with their views of the female body, and their ISPs will pre-censor your internet so you don't have to deal with coomers.
They might toss you from a roof for being a giant faggot, but just avoid posting like you do here, and they'll be none the wiser.

>>95909717
elves are supposed to be smart albeight, they wouldn't be socialists

>>95911212
>relatively modest clothing
nta but he was referring to OP, which is clearly not "relatively modest clothing". That top is semitransparent (not only the nipples are obviously visible, but even that line above the navel makes it obvious it's not just tight but transparent) and she's obviously not wearing a bra.
I do like coomer art like that tho but pretending it's not porn is silly

>>95909717
every shit generic setting's high elves are wannabe nazis anyway. Unless they're just anime elves that might be nazis, but are most likely braindead sluts.

>>95912023
That's how actual women out in the world dress to do daily chores like buying groceries,

>>95912135
That anon is just sexually repressed, anon. Probably think showing off an ankle is risque.

>>95847222
>Would we develop a modern agriculture if one can cast a Goodberry? Would we develop a modern medicine if one can cast Cure Light/Moderate/... Wounds? Would we develop modern firearms if one can wave a Wand of Magic Missile? Would we develop a modern transport if one can setup a Teleportation Circle?
Yes. It'd just take longer.

having to wear human clothes is actually a bit distressing for dark elves

>>95916320
It's distressing for me as well

>>95916446
walking around in leotards, skimpy dresses or coreset, G-string and thigh-highs just doesn't work. It's not decent. They had to start wearing normal clothes

>>95910956
>Or you embrace the chaos
Modern day isn't chaotic.

>>95916620
If not now then when?

nogame cumbrain incel thread

>>95921109
glad you like it

>>95921607
>xhe's been called out so many times xhe made thia image to cope
Lol
Lmao