Thread 95852343

Is Marienburg the most interesting city in all of Warhammer?

>inspired by Amsterdam/Venice
>lots of detail, the books have prices for everything, encounter tables that vary according to area and time of day, detailed rules on taxes (there are a lot of taxes), how to invest your money in the stock market, even rules for going through a criminal trial, they even explain what the exchange rate is for converting your Imperial coins (Crowns) to Marienburg coins (Guilders),
>every ethnicity/race is represented in it which adds a lot of variety- Warhammer equivalent of Norwegians, Arabs, Chinese, Japanese, French, Italians (there are two separate italian neighborhoods which hate each other) the Elves, Dwarves and Hobbits also have their own neighborhoods, even goblins are allowed to live here
>multiple police forces which hate each other (river police and street police, also witch hunters)
>tons of trade unions involved in shady businesses
>everyone is constantly trying to scam you
>lots of poverty, prostitution, criminal organizations and drug/sex trafficking
>secret cults
>serial killer on the loose
>the city has a parliament but is governed by a directorate, the directorate represents many influential and rich families, most of them with their own secrets and plots
>old nobility is still around trying to scheme their way back to power
>the city is built on top of an older human settlement and the ruins are accessible through the sewers and used by smugglers
>the older human settlement was built on top of a much older Elven settlement which in theory is also accessible, good options to go cave delving and exploring

no other city in all of wahammer has this much detail and effort put into it and yet its completely overlooked. there are very few published scenarios that take place in marienburg (including a pretty funny one where the characters get involved in a pump and dump scam in the stock market), no novels, and no one plays as Marienburgers in the tabletop.

>>95852343 (OP)
Care to show your marienburg army?

>>95852343 (OP)
Altdorf and Middenheim are both much more intrested in a Big Bogenhafen-esque.
One can always play in that sandbox sure, but meh, it never looked so grand to me, just a nest of scamming, swindling merchants and the usual filth that brings with it

>>95852343 (OP)
Yeah Marienburg and Norland were more interesting to be. Stirland to some extent too.

Idk though I just don't seem 100% convinced by Oldhammer nostalgia more generally, it always ends up running interference for the worst model for business as an enrhusiastic customer there is. Or maybe I'm forever cursed to get in as things are about to tip over. I was really happy with 4th and 5th and 6th editions. How many editions does a game need before it's good? I didn't really like 40k after 2nd

>>95852685
OP's clearly talking about the RPG you braindead faggot

>>95854046
Well in that case his campaign notes.

>>95852343 (OP)
But yet they don't sell burgers?

>>95854705
>thread about an actual game, warhammer fantasy RPG
>about a city detailed in an RPG book
you're losing your touch. /tg/ is about tradtional games, not specifically about the games you are personally currently running.
Even if I never play FATAL, that game is still an RPG and can be discussed here in any way we want, all perfectly within the rules.
Also, go be a wannabe janny somwhere else.

>>95852343 (OP)
What books detail marienburg?

>>95852343 (OP)
> Inspired by Amsterdam
> No Dutch names, only English with pig German
Disgusting

>>95854919
dutch is just pig german thoughever

>>95854919
????

>>95854993
You did all that effort not to realise I was talking about the map in the OP.

>>95854993
BTW, Guilder is an actual Dutch word for coins, although those have already been out of circulation for 25 years.

>>95855024
I already had that image saved from somewhere.

GW has always gone back and forth over using English vs non-English terminology. Even to the extent of changing Middenheim's Fauschlag to be Ulricsberg to be more... I don't know, accessible or something.

'Rijk' is a dutchification of Reik, the river. Although the river name might have been chosen for its resemblance to 'Reich'.
(Rijker's Isle is a Riker's Isle joke)

>>95854919
Literally every human faction in WHF is just brits larping as some other country. Except Albion, who are just brits inshtmg their natural state.

>>95855024
It's translated.

>>95852343 (OP)
They made some pretty fun attempts to improve Altdorf, but yeah. And I'm not just saying that because I am Dutch.

Marienburg is nice but I've always preferred running things in Averland. It's the better Generic Fantasy Land of the setting; Greenskin hordes, knights, rustic landscape, vampires on the border. It's great.

>>95854705
god you're such a pathetic mouth breathing neckbeard faggot

>>95855040
The Dutch word is Gulden though, not Guilder

>>95852343 (OP)
As Myrmidia intended

>>95857435
Mamma Mia I'm retarded
Specifically in relation to:
> (there are two separate italian neighborhoods which hate each other)

>>95852343 (OP)
>Rijker's Isle
I love Warhammer. I love how half of everything they originally did was just a bit/reference. Nobody should ever take it seriously because the creators didn't.

>>95852343 (OP)
Pigbarter clears any other fictional city

>>95857435
there are actually THREE italian neighborhoods
Luigis town
North Miragliano
Remas Way

(Miraglianese and Remans hate each other)

there's also a Spaniard neighborhood (knife alley) and a russian one

>>95857626
Pigbarter and Marienburg are two interesting parts in what is otherwise an aggressively uninteresting, boring, and limited setting. To me Warhammer ties with Star Wars in how limited the scope and shallow the worldbuilding are.

So you're telling me you're standard city in AOS is more interesting that every other city in Warhammer?

>>95860374
Hate to say it but from how op sold it, that’s the case.

>>95858218
boy Knife Alley sounds like a swell fuckin' place

>>95860374
The typical cope answer is "nooo, you need generic shitty mudcore cities to contrast the cool ones!" which could be true, except the generic shitty mudcore cities are 98% of the setting

>>95860315
yawn

>>95852343 (OP)
Retard, here.
I like your thread OP - what book did thus come from? I'm assuming WFRP?
I've been wanting to run an urban campaign for ages and this thread may have given me the last motivation I needed.

>>95862540
not OP but most of this lore comes from a single WFRP first edition book called Marienburg Sold Down the River.
Cuibicle 7 are doing another Marianburg book for the 4th edition, even got the original writer to come back for it

>>95862572
Sick! Good looking out, anon.
Going to give this and the Middenheim a read.

>>95862540
There is also extra info spread out over various White Dwarf articles

>>95862540
Not specifically Marienburg but pretty much all Empire big cities are interesting. I'm using the 2e Nuln book for my urban campaign and the engineering guilds acting like greedy retards, the ancient sewer system/catacombs hiding a literal underground market full of mutants and the skaven hiding everywhere will be enough content for a while.

>>95863536
Reading through some of these and I'm already kicking myself for not having used these cities as a setting at my table. It's so hard to find cities that actually feel worth adventuring in these days.

>>95862572
I hadn't heard that, that might actually make me want to play 4e again.

>>95862572
Adding to this, some recent WFRP 4e books have extra info about Marienburg.

Patrons of the Old World I provides some extra details about the Kuypers big family secret and Deft Step Light Fingers provides some extra info about Grossbart, a mobster from Potion Square in Suiddock (Potion Square is detailed in some White Dwarf articles but you can find all the relevant info just googling around)

I hope the new book concentrates all this info, having to switch between so many different pdfs looking for very specific bits of info is cumbersome

There's a really awesome WFRP adventure that takes place in Marienburg. But I forgot what it's called.
A mysterious painting has emerged in the black painting and various factions are fighting over it- its supposed to be worth 500(!) Guilders (you can buy a galleon with that iirc) why is everyone so interested in the painting? Why is it so special? No one knows!

SPOILER it's a nude portrait of Emmanuelle from Nuln. One of her lovers painted her nude and after they broke up he fled with the painting and is trying to sell it. Emmanuelle is behind the 500 guilders bounty because she doesn't want her nudes distributed. Lel.

>>95866288
Black market I mean. Fucking autocorrect

BTW theres an illustration in the adventure showing the painting in all its glory.

>>95866299
I think the illustration is found only on the artist patreon these days as I've only ever found the censored version
nta the adventure your talking bout but another one that starts in Marianburg called The Dying of the Light is also great

>>95854705
>redditor vibes
>wannabe janny
kys maybe?
>>95854919
I'd wager "rijk's gate" is meant to be dutch-y

>>95866406
Kek, fucking Andy Law, you can't turn a stone in WFRP and not find this retard's name.

>>95852343 (OP)
>>95852695
>>95855887
>MUH MARIONBURG
>MUH ALTDORF
>MUH MIDHEIM
>MUH AVERAGELAND
Praag literally has living walls in the city fuck outta here

>>95868159
Yeah, it's annoying he still needs to be involved in WFRP even though he quit C7 in a big huff and founded his own company

>>95866245
>I hope the new book concentrates all this info, having to switch between so many different pdfs looking for very specific bits of info is cumbersome

This is the entire line's problem. 4e desperately needs a revised core book.

>>95862101
I genuinely tried to find any setting in AOS industry and found it all incredibly boring. Magic to the point of mundanity.
It's less that 'brown sloppa = good' and more 'magic and fantastical shit needs grounded and realistic elements to contrast with'.
AOS feels like two degrees away from candyland for me, with chocolate rivers and candy cane forests.

>>95868159
He's a literal pronouns in bio cuck too.

>>95870280
There are more of the GW staff than just Andy Law that do that anon, a lot of their writers are exceptionally left-wing.

Remember when the End Times revealed Marienburg had been secretly run by vampires forever

>>95870313
Isn't that Praag?

Marienburg being owned by Brets at one point and the frogs still seething about it is a good piece of lore

>>95854919
>DOODKANAAL

>>95870344
I don’t get it

>>95870267
the map you posted is cooler than the whf map

>>95872882
This unironically. You can’t expect me to take a copy pasted map of earth and then just tell me it’s somehow TWICE the size of earth.

>>95852343 (OP)
Does Karak 8 peaks count as a single city?

>>95852343 (OP)
Of the places we spent time during the short time I played it, that was my favorite.

>>95854919
>DOODKANAAL.

>>95874106
My GM was so fond of Dead Canal as a concept that he recreated in Five Fingers when we switched to Iron Kingdoms.

>>95872882
Elaborate. I genuinely want to understand what you see in AOS maps.
>>95873499
The size thing is indeed retarded, however:
>you can't just expect me to take a copy pasted map of earth
About that...

>>95852343 (OP)
Anon thanks to this thread I'm going to make a Marienberg warband for Mordheim.
I think I'll theme them after the Night Watch and other Dutch paintings.

>>95875453
>actually edits the landmass to not be like Earth
Scandinavia replacing Australia is a civilisational change for the world

>>95854919
>Winkelmart
>Doodkanal
You want me to pretend this is real language?

>>95875798
Je ZAL zijn eet de hartige pannenkoekjes met knoflookchampignons, anon. >_<

>>95875798
goofy aah language

>>95876429
Well?
You gonna stand there talking shit or are ya gonna geef hem een klap???

>>95874106
kanaal dood, wat nou?

>>95852343 (OP)
nope, Mordheim

>>95857579
Came here to say exactly this.

>>95870333
Going by whtw lore what praag gets run by is a train on it by rats, chaos, orcs and any other passing stranger.
It is the city equivalent of that 1000 dudes in a day chick.
>>95875798
Swamp German is just as real a language as the various flavours of hick Latin that call themselves "Romance" languages.

>>95878451
Skaven paws typed this post.

Apropos of nothing, Landship

>>95880244
This but pipe organ controlled.

Fuck it. I'm going to see if my table is down for a Marienburg game.
Read Sold Down the River and I'm hooked now.
>>95866288
I'd love to find out which module this is. Sounds hilarious.

>>95886400
The adventure from an old Warpstone(Fan WFRP magazine) issue, so your best bet is to try and find an archive of those issues.

>>95852343 (OP)
I made a tavern crawl adventure module in Marienburg for that very reason.

>>95857579
It's the only way to write.

>>95886447
I was able to find Issues 4-19, 21-26, and 28-30. If you would kindly point me to Issues 1-3, 20, and 27, I'd be ever so grateful, anon.

>>95866406
It's vastly different from 4E's flat Emmanuelle.
>>95870295
Two of C7's current women writers are lesbians. Not with each other.
1E always wins.

>>95870267
>Not a Place of Honor
This is cool as fuck though.

>>95852685
Still in progress

>>95852343 (OP)
so basically all Middenheim has, only with water except rock?

>>95888433
Middenheim is obsessed with the Warhammer version of Football, unlike Marianburg

>>95870295
More or less the entirety of GW and C7 writers are and always have been leftist, with many being hard/far left and all of them wanting to politicize their work.

Remember that Warhammer's single biggest influence was Michael Moorcock, who said that all fiction should exist to forward a communist revolution, and if a story doesn't then it should be erased. This was the guy the beginning GW staff looked up to.

>>95890327
So is one of the Tilean city states, now that you mention it.
I can't recall which one...the one that divides political parties based on color.

>>95890508
Verezzo i think

>>95890519
YES! Verezzo.
Not as good as Marienburg, but still good.

>>95876400
Gebaseerd en roodgepild

>>95876400
>champignons op pannenkoek
waarom? gewoon waarom

>>95870454
Don't get what? Its on the border of the empire and bretonnia so they naturally scuffle over it. The only reason they don't scuffle more is because it's closest to Couronne and they don't want Leoncour to be too much of a team killing asshole even if technically there's a earl under him who wants it to get to dukedom.

>>95904803
It's like the rl low countries, they're too strategically and commercially valuable to leave in French hands, but no one wants to live in a fuckin swamp apart from Flemings and Walloons, so it doesn't get conquered by other Germans.

>>95905256
The common lesson from the Low Countries and Venice is that motherfuckers crazy enough to steal land from the ocean have a promising future in mercantilism.

>>95866288

Is there an anon who knows which adventure this person is talking about? I'm really interested, but I can't find it.

>>95905732
I can't find it either and it's irritating me. Sounds like a fun one.

>>95852343 (OP)
>Playing Warhammer
>To sit in Rotterdam
>While missing even what city it is based on


>>95854907
>>95856329
>>95866480
>nevergames getting defensive when called out

>>95906141
I know you're being a shit but now I'm just curious about Rotterdam.

>>95854952
The Dutch sound like they have salad in their mouth while talking. Sounds very "leafy". I love it.

>>95866406
>OnlyFallen.

>>95905732
>>95905839
It's in Warpstone 30.

>>95908395
Tales of the FALLEN Countess. Fallen is capitalized in the official publication.
I guess the Dark Angels will not rest until Emmannuelle is made to repent.

>>95852343 (OP)
Nice Marienburg map. Any recommendations for where to find other illustrated warhammer maps?

>>95908422
>>95908395
Thank fuck for you Anons. You're a real one.
>>95908240
Me too. It's goofy but neat.

>>95908931
I scrounged through the Internet finding all the old resources I can. Every soul who hinders, protests, or fights archivization deserves whatever Crosses God gifts.
I even found the uncensored pic and haven't recieved any (You)s for it.

>>95909101
You're appreciated, anon.
Here's your (you), hard earned:
>>95886883

>>95908840
WFRP books have a couple for cities like Middenheim, Altdorf, Salzenmund and i know some fan maps exist for other place like Delberz .

>>95911884
This map is outrageously good.

>>95854919
>No Dutch names
Literally the majority of those districts have Dutch names, what the hell are you talking about?

>>95912391
People just say things in a smug way and assume it makes them more correct.

>>95908840
http://gitzmansgallery.com/warhammer-maps.html
Generally the most artistic maps are Mad Alfred's (Alfred Nuñez Jr.) while the most detailed are by Andy Law (was actually dedicated to making a master map that the more artistic stuff was based on)

>>95911884
>>95913287
Thanks!

Oorlogshammer Fantasie Veldslagen
Met de volgende legers
>Het Keizerrijk
>Brettonië
>De Chaos-Krijgers
>De Beestmannen
>De Vampier Graven
>De Graftombe Koningen
>De Hagedissenmannen
>De Orks en Aardmannetjes
>De Dwergen
>De Chaos-Dwergen
>De Hoge Elven
>De Bos-Elven
>De Duitsere Elven
>De Skaven
>De Chaos-Demonen
>De Oger Koninkrijken

>>95913592
Nice little happy accident with Vampire Counts. Never considered that lmao

>>95913660
I once angered a pal of mine who played 40k by calling his beloved Space Marines Ruimte-Mariniers.

>>95913592
Honestly if I was a Dawi and some Marienberger pranced up to me and was like "Hallo Herr Dwerger!" I would axe-murder him and then put his whole country in the Book.
And that's before I told the High Elves what they were calling them.

>>95914713
It'd be more like "Hallo Heer Dwerg!"
Herr is german, so you'd more likely be mistakenly cutting down a reiklander instead.
That's a slayer oath if I've ever seen one.

>>95914713
Nou, nou, meneertje, een flink gezette dwerg zoals jij zou wegzakken in ons drassige landschap. En je kunt geen wraak nemen als die miezerige beentjes vastzitten in de modder.

>>95890474
I do not know if i am right but i feel that i am. The thing i get from Marx and his creation that is communist revolution is that in the end it is nothing more than banditry and theft under a new name. That has always seemed to be the end result of his works in practice is all i am saying.

Do you think those who support communist revolutions think the same way i do about there movement in secret? And that they want a world run by strong men and dictators. Or do they not see what i have seen in there movements and revolutions and just think everything will be sun shine and rainbows forever?

>>95914791
>*pelican squawks approvingly*

>>95916913
Gonna cheekily share some more of this that I found.

>>95916913
3

>>95854993
DOOD, KANAL!

>>95916913
4

>>95916913
5

>>95916913
6

>>95852343 (OP)
Seems like a fun setting. I want to play as a young, lower noble who is just trying to get as many scars in duels as possible before he inevitably dies but who still has to support his poor noble house along the way somehow.

>>95915501
every form of political organization is banditry under a new name. the only thing that really matters is how equitable the theft is. marx was just trying to get rid of the law of the jungle thats present in every other system and maybe its ultimately impossible but its certainly not ignoble to try

>>95866406
>The Fallen Countess
Viz ze big boobies, of course
(Which ties back in to an earlier anon's point that EVERYTHING in Warhammer is either a reference or a pun. British gaming culture in general is positively addicted to them)

This whole thread is making me want to import Michael Caine as a elector count bordering the wasteland: "There are only two things I hate, humans intolerant of other humans, and the Marienbergers."

>>95920267
I endorse this
>>95923273
MORE SICK MAPS

>>95890474
Most of the Moorcock cribbing came from Ansell who was definitely not a communist. There was certainly a very strong anti-Thatcherite throughline in early GW but that's a far cry from the modern middle-class social virtue signalling and came from many staff coming from a genuinely working-class background which I don't imagine is true with current crop.

>>95924899
I dunno, GW employees have always given off the vibe they were educated at a comprehensive to me.

>>95928781
Founding GW employees maybe

>>95924899
Bryan Ansell went to a private school that looked like this, there was nothing working class about him

>>95924899
>>95929254
This. The whole tough guy mullet punk look was just a front, dude was a privileged rich kid. All of them were. Which, coincidentally, is a demographic where communism is extremely popular, far more so than with working class people.

>>95934837
YUP

>>95934837
Rich kids really turn to communism like it'll absolve them of noblesse oblige.