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>>95853119 (OP)
fug, forgot the topic.

Not here to share a sob story or anything but my dad recently passed away. He was my intro to gaming, with Battletech being his game of choice.

We played pretty regularly, at least every few months and always a fun time. Laughing thinking about how excited he would get using his favourite mech, the Axman and landed a good hit (his catch phrase was 'Hole in One Baby' when he did it). One of our last few games he managed to get one to knock out my Pegasus, a Locust and then headcap my Marauder II.

Anyone here have a favourite Battletech moment they wanted to share? Would love a few good stories.

>>95853328
I'm sorry anon, your old man sounds like he was a great guy. He's given you a lot of good memories though, and you can remember him every time you use an axman. Maybe name one after him?

>>95853328
My brother and I pooled our allowances to buy the 2nd edition boxed set in 1988, and then spent probably 10 hours at the local college library trying to figure out the rules and get a game going. I can only imagine what a couple of little kids surrounded by mapsheets and standees looked like to the staff.
I'll never forget those brown carpet study areas and my first BT game.

>>95853328
My dad just thinks tabletop games are cringe and a waste of time. Meanwhile he spends every evening after work just flicking through youtube shorts.

>>95853119 (OP)
Crael deserved better.

>>95853328
Now I want to make a custom Axeman mini with the Axe replaced with a golf club. Where should I get one of the appropriate scale? And what sort of club should the Hole In One Baby use? Nine iron?

>>95854186
They make model railroad figurines of golfers, but I'm not sure what scale the current medium weight minis would be closest to. HO?

>>95853328
>Anyone here have a favourite Battletech moment they wanted to share? Would love a few good stories.

One time, a Hollander headcapped my fucking Dire Wolf on turn fucking 1.

>>95854186
>>95854231
GolferTech when?
>>95854254
Good, you deserved it for playing Clans :^)

>>95853328
Oh.

So that's why he said that when he came inside me.

>>95854966
Normally I support you but that was in poor taste and not funny.

>>95854966
you are scum and never contribute anything, you fucking degenerate diseased scrap of filth. take your aids and monkeypoz riddled ass the fuck away forever.

the Ost is angry. it is coming to murder you!

another ost is shocked that the ost would attack you.

what suitably SILLY mech do you have to defend yourself with?

Re: Leviathans discussion from last thread, this was in the Tuesday Newsday this week

Leviathans
>Out now: The Geisterwulfe Protocol by Mike Richie
IThey had 50 US/ROW orders with missing data which have been resolved now and have been passed over to WebSphere for quotes. They should be back with CGL this week, and once that’s in hand shipping charges will be loaded into backerkit. Hopefully in a week or two. They’re currently intending to give a 2-week window for payment for “wave 1”, with later payments being shipped after.
>International hub orders are still waiting to ship from China

>>95855128
Oh god why is that photo so blurry I am not good at telephone

>>95855079
Anon's dad should've worn a condom

>>95855089
>>95855109
It honestly looks like the Ost is wearing a bikini from the thumbnail.

Thanks anons

>>95854186
This made me laugh especially, love the idea. He actually named his Axman, Angus.

His original is staying with him but I will be getting my own, it was the OG 1n sculpt. His mechs are painted Steiner blue and white.

>>95855128
>>95855135
make your own general

>>95855128
>>95855135

>>95835010

>>95853328
Pour one out for Anon's Goofy Dad!>>95853352
>>95854186
>And what sort of club should the Hole In One Baby use? Nine iron?
Probably better if it was a Wood Driver, easier to identify as a Mech Scale Golf Club.

>>95855109
Anni-chan!

>>95854431
>playing game of golfer tech
>My Buster Caddie mech failed his PSR climbing the rain slicked hilltop and tumbled down, breaking most of the clubs in the process.
>my wedge man tees up with the wrong club and whiffs his shot, rolling a four and slicing back down the way they came
>Roll to see if it bounces, it does, bounces three hexes hitting the prone caddie mech and knocking the pilot unconscious.
>my opponent's albatross attempts to eat overpriced wings from the lodge for a bonus to his swing roll, he rolls snake eyes and a wild branth is drawn my the smell of Buffalo ranch sauce and begins attacking his cockpit.
>He rolls to swat it, he hits it but also hits his own cockpit, due to the beers he had drank last turn he fails his consciousness check and passes out while standing at the tee, snoring loudly over open channels.
>Capellan convee golfer team successfully rocket Leagues the golf ball into the hole with only 60% casualties, winning them the game and causing them to be unbearably smug about how optimized combined clubs lists are.

>>95852000
What's a grinder? I'm in NH.

>reading about different battle armor suits
>what’s this Sylph thing, neat jet pack
>oh VTOL movement, hmm
>but these other variants can run 5, what’s Battle Armor Myomer Booster?
>+2 ground speed
>+2 anti-mech damage PER SUIT

Are you telling me these little shits can do 14-point leg attacks and 20-point swarm attacks? That’s fucking wild, that’s like packing a portable heavy mech kick into a 200-ish BV unit, what the FUCK.

>>95855332
It's a free for all BT game where you start with a light mech and every time you die you get a bigger mech, and your goal is to rack up an impressive kill sheet. It's popular at conventions because it works for drop in/drop out play and rewards doing the cool fun thing.

>>95855347

I like the grinder because I keep getting the 0/2 Locust and then magically winning initiative every time, and let me tell you, nothing quite like having a 0 gunnery Locust that always gets to backstab. Last time my local group did the grinder, I kept my Locust going through into the heavy mech phase of everyone else.

>>95855184
>>95855194

NEA, MCA, i know that many trolls just want to fuck with you guys about Leviathans, but i agree that now seems like a good time for Leviathans to have their own general.

is the Manticore any good?

>>95855381
Locust is not a good mech for a grinder, too survivable.

>>95855477
It's ideal.

>>95855445
>>95855135
>>95855128


Im the levs troll(i made the thread, not the psychotic ranting that appears later in the thread)

I am literally just baiting discussion. I'd love to have normal threads about levs bjt nobody replies unless I post shit like "Valk here live from pardoe's rotting corpse located near Loren's porch. In levs news, straight from Jason "Razorfist" Livermore's mouth, The game is cancelled. Apparently those 80000 trans pride flags killed it. Whoopse! Now onto you, Madcapellan, to tell us how Marians are being removed for being a chud faction."

>>95855504
>Now onto you, Madcapellan, to tell us how Marians are being removed for being a chud faction."

OF grog?

>>95855477
manticore, scorpion, vedette and.... LRM/SRM carrier are all fucking ideal for their use.

>>95855513
MC makes bottom look NOT retarded. and NOT an a-fucking-bomination.

>>95855524
Only redeming quality MC have is making the OR3067 book. Take that away, and you only a pedo weeb that need to know a woodchipper face-first.

>>95855504

the fact that I understood every sentence of this tells me I need to go the fuck outside.

Repost from previous thread: Should Smoke LRM's be included in basic pick up games like Inferno SRMs? I think they should be because they grant arguably the weakest weapon in the game, the LRM 5, more utility as a defensive option rather than forcing it to be and offensive tool, which it sucks at. Most of the LRM 5 mechs, the Vindicator, the Griffin 1S, the Ostroc 2L, the Grasshopper, the Battlemaster 1S, etc all benefit from being able to pop smoke and gain that +1 to be hit from the smoke allowing them to close the distance rather than the pittance of damage you might do with the actual weapon. And even though the larger launchers can get pretty stupid with the LOS shenanigans, you are still sacrificing the higher damage potential of the 15 and 20 packs in exchange for blocking LOS, and have to pay for it in BV.

>>95855488
It's in the box, and that's what I keep rolling as my starter mech, and then because it's 0/2, and I never lose initiative, it just never dies XD.
>>95855477
yes. It's very solid.

>>95855631
I really like them on my Grasshopper and SHawk.

>>95855631
The mechanic is easy enough to understand, dont see the issue with it beign in a pick up game.

>>95855227
I really now want to see this turned into a game now.
Seems like a hilarious time for all.
>>95855631
I honestly thought smoke was standard tech but its actually frags I was thinking of. Yeah I'd agree smoke should be in standard games. They give mechs equipped with singular LRM5's a lot more versatility.
>>95855332
Its also a homosexual dating app
>>95855381
Locusts are always amusing to field and everyone tends to underestimate them on tabletop.
>>95855504
At least it lasted longer than Jordan Weismans attention span.

>>95855524
Only a faggot would say this.
>>95855504
>nobody replies to leviathans!
Because noone wants to buy that crap, any interest you might have garnered from battletech fans has been destroyed by shoving it into the faces of said fans where it's not wanted.

Is there any lore precedent for versatile / flexible factories that can switch production between types of mechs relatively quickly? I'm coming up with a justification for mech building mechanics for a little "nation building" campaign, and while I can just say "experimental lostech" and wiggle my fingers it'd be nice if there was something to point at.

>>95856168
Not really, rather the opposite for most of the game. Also you should specify what eras you're interested in, it can vastly change the answers you get. I'm sure by 3150 there's some sort of omni factory or something while in 29XX there are factories that are basically black boxes.

>>95855631
>Should Smoke LRM's be included in basic pick up games like Inferno SRMs?
Yes.
>arguably the weakest weapon in the game
It can still roll a 9+ on the cluster table, it's not that dire.

>>95856168
A lot of factories in the pre-clan, post-star league eras are heavily automated (e.g. Hesperus II). To switch production is basically impossible when it's all lostech. Post-helm and you've got some wiggle room, say 3040s, where doing something like that becomes somewhat plausible. There are also factory complexes that don't rely on extensive automation, like LAW, where it would be feasible to switch if there really was the need.

>>95856417
>>arguably the weakest weapon in the game

I'd put the AC5 below the LRM5 just because the sheer weight inefficiency. Sticking an LRM 5 on something at the cost of 3 tons isn't a total waste of tonnage that the 9 tons of AC5 is.

Shadow Hawk is the perfect example of this. You tear the AC5 out, and almost anything else you put in place is better. You can add in a PPC and some heatsinks, you could start boating LRM5s, you can do tons of things. You tear the LRM5 out, and it's like yeah, you could have a couple extra medium lasers or maybe a bit more armor, but it isn't that big of a deal.

Relatively speaking, how much does a mech cost, and what is the "range"? Ie, small mech = a high-end car today, and a modern OmniMech = airplane / yacht? Or is it more like fighter jets? Warships? Or is the cost of the mechs themselves not the big factor but rather the cost associated with moving them and their logistics through space?

>>95856479
Cheapest and lightest of mechs is still going to be a million Cbills, and a Cbill has more purhasing power than the US dollar does these days. Big powerful mechs can cost upwards of 15-20 million cbills. Transport cost by comparison is a few hundred k to go from one star system to another. Your costs of course increase the further you go, but replacing mechs costs more than moving and maintaining them (in non-combat conditions) ever could. Even replacing almost every single piece of the mech costs less than buying a new one whole-cloth.

>>95856479
The cheapest mechs around cost somewhere around 1.5mil c-bills, and a c-bill is upwards of $13. Top end mechs are more like 30mil, and some experimental nonsense mechs could go to 40mil.

>>95853328
A sour memory but memorable is a match in which my opponent
>headcapped my Nightstar on turn 2
>headcapped my Bushwhacker on turn 3
>ammoracked my Axman and commando on turn 4
It was a hard lesson the unbeatable whims of the dice, but to to counter it there was the time I popped his LAM cherry and brought a lance of 3/3 LAM's. He brought all Clan assaults and I spent the evening either in his rear arcs or out of range.
And speaking of LAM's
>game 1 of a mini campaign
>my recon lances lone Stinger LAM boosts across the map to engage a commando
>makes a turn
>fails the psr
>both sides watch as the LAM sideslips and drifts merrily off into the desert not to be seen again till the final game
Though later in the same game my Charger got a perfect 7 hex charge off on his Thud and crippled it, then went on to bully his Wasp across the map by destroyinga hip actuator.

>>95854966
Tie a noose, put it round your neck, and swing from it, you utter vile piece of filth.

>>95854966
Kill yourself immediately, you fat sack of crap

>>95856512
Pffft, I built a mech that only costs 740K

>>95856693
ICE mechs barely even count.

>>95854966
What the fuck?

>>95856721
If it counts, it counts.

>>95856693
Yeah, if you want a cheapass industrialmech you can get something for under a million, but for actual canon battlemechs, cheapest I can find is the Hornet 151.

>>95857004
Yeah the Hornet is the cheapest but also factor in the world of FASAnomics C-Bills isn't actually a good indicator of how much things should cost. Supposedly there are hidden mark ups and something like a Locust C would be worth 10x it actually is in 3050 for the IS just for the Clan tech weapons alone.

>>95857004
>for actual canon battlemechs
Customs are canon.

>>95856512
>Transport cost by comparison is a few hundred k to go from one star system to another
50k per jump.

>>95857046
let's not do another thread on FASAnomics. the horse is no longer even beaten, it's now a fine paste on the floor, and the floorboards are cracking from the beating.

>>95857077
Isn't that only the jumpship fee? Don't you also have dropship fees to fly to/from planets if you don't own your own dropper?

>>95857067
If you want to be bullied by smug Lyran schoolgirls for being too poor to even afford a proper battlemech then sure go ahead.
>>95857086
We have yet to go over it with a steamroller.

>>95857094
>bullied by smug Lyran schoolgirls
I feel like your intent was to imply this as a negative?

>>95857046
>>95857086
CBills put a number to the cost of downloading a mech through Com* services.
As it's a monopolist service and the technology never sees any significant break-thoughs, the cost of downloading a mech remains rock stable.

>>95857089
Yes, but it's not that much iirc

>>95855061
>>95855079
>>95856602
>>95856632
>>95856727
Stop giving the whore (You)'s you retards!

>>95856168
Actually…
The Cappellans entire industrial complex runs on this principle. Any Cappellan factory can switch from civilian to military production (both mechs as well as tanks, plans, bombs, and bullets) so switching from one mech to another should be in the same wheelhouse.

But, if playing HoI4 taught me anything, it’s that you really shouldn’t be doing this too much, as completely changing what a factory is producing, even if it’s just a new model) requires having to retool all the machines and retraining all the staff on the new product resulting in a big loss in efficiency every time you switch production.

So it’s sometimes better to keep an older design in production and occasionally produce after-market refit kits than producing a whole new design for only a marginal or unverified improvement.

Hence why a lot of introtech mechs still get produced even well into the ilclan era.

I'm surprised they never expanded omnipod technology to the logical conclusion of an Omni-bay. Build all the specialized machinery and scaffolds to a cubic grid with standardized outlets and brackets and such, reconfigure your dropship yo carry whatever you need it to carry. Even if it's still along the lines of days of work with a crane, that's better than weeks of work in a shipyard.

>>95857281
And here I thought we were done with the Sharpe posting. XDDDDD

>>95857329
>>95857617
I mean this is why I wish Omni technology was expanded upon.

>>95857711
We will never be done with Sharpe.
Just be glad there isn't Hornblower.

>>95857281
How are you not schizo enough to be able to recognize my posts? Skill issue.

>>95857617
What if the extended omnipod technology to a larger scale so that when you wanted your mech to have an alternate loadout you exchanged the entire mech for one that had the loadout you wanted?

So the Thunderbolt is an amazing mech that actually has a fair number of 3025 variants. Which of these is the Worst?

>>95858194
I might actually say the base model the 5S by not the fact that it is bad but the least good. Just for having the most weapons that are not really that effective in most fights i.e. the MG's and SRM2. 5D is close second least good for me just for lack of ammo more than anything for a very ammo dependent mech outside of 1vs1 fights.

>>95857086
Alright, fine.

Buuuut…
Since Battletech’s setting is supposed to be a neofudalist space opera, let’s quickly review what a feudal society is at a fundamental level so we all can understand what to expect.

> King
Or high lord in this case: functionally the king is a dictator but with more pomp and pageantry attached to it. While this sometimes also incorporates a palace economy, it’s not essential. While the king has a number of military units loyal to them directly, it is through the loyalty of the lords that the king wields the full might of the kingdom.

> lords
While the specific titles and layers may vary, the lord is effectively a glorified property manager. Their job is to oversee one or more of the king’s holdings. The Lords will have a number of knights loyal to them, the lord’s themselves are loyal to the king and will do his bidding and the drop of a hat. I mean of course they are, they are the descendants of the first king’s friends, relatives…, cronies, they were the cronies of one royal or another over the course of the reigning dynasty. So if being a brown-nosing lapdog is how they got into the nobility and how they’ve remained so, then you better believe those lordly families are going to be total suck ups to the royals unless the royal family does something major to betray that loyalty.

> Gentry
The knights of the land, these represent a lord’s own inner circle of cronies and close associates. A knight may have forces of his own loyal to him, but not always. And while a knights’ forces are loyal to the knight, the knight is loyal to his lord and thus his forces are at the lord’s disposal.

And anyone saying “no”, “nuh-uh”, “not true”, is probably a monarchist with some overly romanticized notions of how the old feudal system worked.

>>95857711
"Well Sir, upon first sighting the Sharpeposting I naturally gave to order to join in, that's my style sir."

>>95858337
Not to be a total history sperg, but Feudalism (or rather European feudalism) was an economic system that was in place for hundreds of years and changed during that time (look at the United States and how much it has changed since the 1700's). There were variations on this system, namely bastard feudalism and absolutism, who while still using the feudal economic system of lords being overdressed property managers, said property managers had vastly different amounts of power.

In absolutism, lords had almost no military power, namely because so much of the military and to a lesser extent the civilian bureaucracy were now under the influence of the King and his court rather than the local government. The Battletech example of this would probably be the Lyran Commonwealth, where the Archon's authority and control is pretty much absolute, and the only way nobles seem to really influence policy is by throwing money and influence around in the right circles. The Archon has only ever been deposed once (so far as I am aware) and it was only after universal contempt from all strata of society and with his own niece leading the coup. The Liao are also closest to this system, due to their insane control on the bureaucracy, but the Capellan state is such a jumble of centralized bureaucracy and feudal privileges that it's hard to use the label of Feudalism at all.

On the other end, there is bastard feudalism which has lords with such authority that they can actually lean on the king and pressure him to doing things he might not want to do. Classic example is the Free Worlds League, where both parliament and the constituent member states are able to put pressure on the Captain General and force him to do what they want, in some scenarios. While they aren't full War of the Roses levels of civil war and vassals controlling kings, smart Captain Generals have to mind their vassals a lot more closely than other powers.

(1/2)

>>95858876
The Combine and FedSuns are the two factions which fit your description, with the Kuritans being a bit closer to Absolutism, and the Davion's a bit closer to bastard feudalism, as while both have powerful vassals who are at liberty to do what they will as long as the come when called (the Warlords and the March Lords, respectively) the Drac's generally hold the Kurita family as being semi-divine there was no 'House von Rohrs', while the Feds had nobles rebel over army reforms and policy, even in the year of our lord 3028.

>>95855445
Rather than its own general, Levs deserves a presence over in /awg/, but I'd have to remember that other threads exist...

I'll observe the rules we've established and keep levsposting to after the bump limit when possible

>>95858337
t. Capitalism-addled liberal with some overly materialistic view of how the old feudal system worked

I like feudalism because there's a clear person to shoot when things aren't going the way I want them to.

>>95859383
Based, this is literally a pro of dictatorship.

>>95858939
>even in the year of our lord 3028.

Aaron Sandoval was getting ready to rebel in the 3060s, even.

>>95857617
At least one DropShip is supposed to be semi modular like this. The Aurora, maybe?

>>95857086
The Star League using economics to keep the other powers in line is easily the most realistic thing I BT and I love it.

>>95859408
I was talking about the Haseks, but yeah, the Sandovals were a poisonous brood too.
>"I hate the Capellans!"
>"That bastard Hanse doesn't hate them enough!"
>Becomes Max's pawn to own him
Seriously, was the New Syrtis water supply particularly close to a large lead deposit or something?

>>95859472
Lol

>no, the OTHER treasonous powerful vassals

Has the Sphere actually made any legit unique technological breakthroughs and not just making a worse version of lost tech / Clans tech?

>>95859689
The Plasma Rifle mech weapon is neither based on old technology nor clan tech. The Clans actually replicated it but only produced the notably worse Plasma Cannon. That's just the first example that comes to mind.

>>95859689
C3 is new, Plasma weapons are new (and the clans liked it enough to make their own system), RACs and LACs are new, a number of special ammo and armor types are new, superheavies aren't new, but the star league era ones sucked balls and the clans gave up on the idea, so I'd call being able to make more than a single digit number of them and have them walk away under their own power with the expectation of being able to return under their own power is new. The IS basically ran out of star league stuff to bring back in the 3060s, anything left is either surpassed or lost for good.

>95854966

Dude, no. Well over the line. Read the damn room, get back in your kennel, and don't come back out until you can act like a quasi-adult.

What the hell are you even thinking?

Huh, Sarna changed permissions so now you have to be logged in to see page history.
Their paper thin excuse for getting rid of uncopyrightable game rules while keeping verbatim chunks of very copyrightable fluff text gets thinner by the day.

>>95859836
>What the hell are you even thinking?
I doubt that was actually Bottom, he would have posted a booty shot otherwise.

>>95859775
i quite like the P cannons they are really light and make for nice anti vee additions to a mech

>>95859836
were the mercs eating crab or were the crabs eating mercs by the end of this

>>95859859
>>95859836
My favourite battletech memory is from when I got fucked by that anon's dad.

>95859989
Yeah that's a falseflag if I ever saw one.

How much does your LGS stock Battletech?

>>95859836
Still waiting on a writeup NEA, that game looks like it was epic. Are the crabs 3d prints?
also, mate, I ken you met bottom IRL once, but please stop backing him. Hes not a good person and has openly stated he wants to drag this general down. Better to distance yourself from the blight beore being caught in the contamination, just saying

>>95859989
No need to falseflag, hes already done enough damage to his reputation. Let the bastard hoist himself by his own petard, dont try to help him along.
>Admitted to unprovoked assault on his sister
>The "haha ur dead dad gay and we fugged" """joke""" above
>General attitude
>Picking on that one anon that does cool pinups and has 4 mechs with spicy windmills

>>95858939
For the threads use and propagation

>>95859836
You know full well that faggot is a degenerate and you choose to associate yourself with him anyway, it's rather late for you to be complaining about it.

>>95860036
>If I samefag some denial I can be as degenerate as I want!
Just 41% yourself already, faggot.

>>95859383
that is actually a legit argument for monarchy.
Ease of accountability. In a modern state that relies on bureaucracy, finding all the corrupt motherfuckers and their various schemes can be quite difficult. Especially as any investigation into one bureau tends to cause panic in others so they cover one another to a degree at least.
Where as Monarchy.. well, the guy with the power is right there. Even if he is not the direct cause of an issue, he has the power to address it directly so can more swiftly fix it.
Many point to the German Kaiser as an example of this, though i sadly forget which one as who the fuck expected this topic to come up in battletech.
In short, when commie types were causing trouble? Send in the troops to crush em.
When businesses were running actual price / wage fixing? Do the same thing, crush em.

I still like the Gauss Hunchback

So is the catalyst shitsquad still hunting down and reporting every vaguely battletech STL out there?

>>95860513
If they are they aren't having any success

>>95860052
The one closest to me doesn't because it's in a shopping strip with a Barnes & Noble.

>The Guardian was canonically mentioned as an ultralight BattleMech, with no further canonical information available at this time.[2]

>It is obviously a nod to an apocryphal design that was described in BattleTechnology, Issue #13. Since this magazine is not currently counted among the canonical sources for BattleTech, the 'Mech as described there is not currently considered canonical either. (An earlier ruling by Randall Bills declaring all BattleTechnology 'Mechs as present in the BattleTech Universe, if only as unique 'Mechs, was expressly rescinded by his successor as Line Developer, Herbert A. Beas II.)
>An earlier ruling by Randall Bills declaring all BattleTechnology 'Mechs as present in the BattleTech Universe, if only as unique 'Mechs, was expressly rescinded by his successor as Line Developer, Herbert A. Beas II.
>Hates Ki
>Hates PhantomMech
>Hates that he can't decanonize aliens
>Hates LAMs
>Hates Warships
>Hates unique one-off mechs apparently
Genuine question, why is Herb such a fucking unfun stick in the mud?

>>95857086
Outsourcing all your production is bad. Who could have guessed. Well, I'm sure they at least got some cheap plastic shit from China before falling completely into ruin first.

I'm making a character (in 2E) that sacrifices skills for higher starting attributes and an IS assault mech so I need something that comes stock with enough weapons to go "I might be a 5/5 but have enough guns that at least some will hit". We're playing in 3056 so pulse lasers are an option as long as it's a stock variant.

>>95860877
Feels like the kind of thing the Atlas or the Battlemaster are made for.

>>95860841
Herb had a vision to retool the battletech universe into a smaller, meaner, colder, less interesting place and he did his best to get it there

>>95860921
>Fan joins company that makes things he likes
>Fan tries to retcon it to be edgier and "realistic"
tale as old as time

>>95860841
On one hand I'm all for people creating their one off or limited run mechs, stuff that never got past prototype phase or had a small production run or actually good mechs that simply put the company out of business.

But I'm worried that 80% of OC mechs would just be 100 ton super secret SLDF prototype laser boats. Not that I hate the idea, just that I know how many people would make them when compared to flawed but fun mechs

>>95860877
Here's your mech: armed to the teeth, cheap and sexy.

>>95860841
>Lists reasons for why Herb is based
>Says Herb sucks
What did he mean by this?

>>95860970
My preferred background for customs has always been small garage shops working from salvaged existing chassis.

>>95860841
I'm pretty sure all the magazine stuff was decanonized because of the bowel shaking fear the Unseen situation caused them.
The Hedgehog is in a similar boat, it has canonical mentions (more than one, even!) and what they describe matches what the apocryphal mech is (a star league oddity that was functional, but not really worth the trouble of keeping a tripod running), but they have not fully brought it back with a record sheet and all.

>>95860977
SRMs go ptchoooo~

>>95860442
>Where as Monarchy.. well, the guy with the power is right there.
Yeah, and he's the one with the monopoly on lethal force!
Again you dumb fucks conflate modern bureaucracy inability to prevent corruption outright with the idea it doesn't combat it at all.
Still one of the best systems we have.

>>95860866
Oi!
Don't go bitching about immigrant labor if you don't want to off-shore.

>>95860970
>But I'm worried that 80% of OC mechs would just be 100 ton super secret SLDF prototype laser boats. Not that I hate the idea, just that I know how many people would make them when compared to flawed but fun mechs
Well that's why I usually try to stick to IntroTech.

>>95861069
>Yeah, and he's the one with the monopoly on lethal force!
It's actually a diagnostic feature of feudalism that he does not. All those lords and knights have the right to violence. When the right to commit violence becomes more centralized, usually the nation moves into something more like a parliamentary system with professional armies run directly by the central government through a bureaucracy. The nobles get government positions as a consolation prize and then usually there's further transition or outright revolution.

>>95861088
>All those lords and knights have the right to violence.
And who the fuck do they owe fealty to?!

>with professional armies run directly by the central government through a bureaucracy
Yeah, because the bureaucracy is suppose to act as a throttle to prevent shit like sending the Marines to go arrest people.

>>95861069
>He's the one with the monopoly on lethal force
Anon there are plenty of historical examples where the monarch was not the sole decider of force... like practically any feudal system where nobility had soldiers.
Even discounting nobility, Pratically every European country is now far more anti-weapon if not outright anti-self defense now than they ever were under monarchies.
It was the french revolutionaries who seized weapons from "enemies of the revolution", not the crown.
Not saying every monarchy was pro-gun or anything like that, but generally they didnt care about private weapon ownership as they were largely under no threat by their people and an armed populace made invading you a pain to other powers.

>>95861069
>Don't complain about importing slaves to take jobs if you don't want your jobs to be given to slaves over seas!
Can we just not import migrants and force companies to pay good wages?

>>95861102
>And who the fuck do they owe fealty to?!
That depends, is it absolute monarchism or bastard feudalism? :)

>>95861102
>And who the fuck do they owe fealty to
Normally their self interest.
Legally their populace of their lands as this assists with the above 90% of the time.
Occasionally the crown when it a helps with both the above.

>>95861102
The amount of violence they are required to provide to the king is almost always limited to significantly below their total capacity for violence. This is usually true all the way down to the individual level, with "you will be available to fight in my army for a total of X weeks per year" being a standard pillar of the average peasants rental agreement. A certain part of the Baron's army is available to the Duke for a certain duration, and a certain part of the Duke's army is available to the Kijg for a certain duration.

The presence of full time professional militaries puts the inspiration for pretty much all of the great houses in early modern rather than medieval feudalism. There are bureaucracies, there is (usually) a rule of law that the monarchs have to respect, even if it gives them explicit legal advantages. A pleb could sue a noble if the law says an abuse goes too far, and they might even win if the facts are on their side. But the nobles are still the majority of the officer and political class, and sometimes their personal fortunes are entwined with the state or corporations. When it's convenient, the state can write in new privileges for useful nobles and/or corporations, because not all people are created equal and universal fairness is not a concept the law cares for.

>>95860841

>Hates Ki
wut?
>Hates PhantomMech
As in...Morgan Kell/Yorinaga Kurita? For the purposes of the story they told? Sure. For anything in wider Battletech fuck no.
>Can't Decanonize aliums
So he... hates aliens in Battletech? That's fine, I'm alright with the human centric story as is. Alien wildlife the various worlds of the IS etc is fine too.
>Hates LAMs
Yeah LAM's are shit. Even for the low levels of handwavium in BT, LAM's should be incredibly fragile to the point of 'why bother'.
>Hates Warships
But why? They're cool as hell. They should be incredibly rare and powerful and nobody really wants to risk them getting fucked up but they are great.
>Hates unique one off mechs
How many fucking worlds in the IS are there? There is absolutely going to be a shitload of one off mechs, Frankenmechs, Mechs built on one skeleton that don't outwardly resemble anything else. Same with custom jobs... sure they're expensive and time consuming but if you need to replace a PPC with an autocannon because that is all you've got you'll do it.

>>95861163
>LAM's should be incredibly fragile to the point of 'why bother'.
This but mechs.

>>95861180
Arguably yeah, but the entire point of the setting is 'stompy mechs' not 'practical tanks'.

>>95861186
>the entire point of the setting is 'stompy mechs'
Okay, this but light mechs.

>>95861186
It's not arguable, mechs don't work without hand waving to begin with.
Otherwise there's no reason the IS shouldn't just go back to Warships after the 3060s at the latest.
Herb even unintentionally gave the setting an even cheaper option in pocket warships.

>>95861200
The entire point of the setting is just mechs but tabletop.
The stompy but is just some cope some fags use to pretend their favorite game isn't based on anime. Just ignore the fact Anime also did stompy mechs first regardless.

>>95861088
> All those lords and knights have the right to violence.
Who, by design, are all the personal friends of the royals, suck ups, and brown-nosers, they’re not going to do shit against the royal family, the royals made sure of that by eliminating anyone in their courts with a spine or vendetta.

We see it play out time and again under despotic dictatorships, the only difference being that the dictators tend to be more blunt about it.

>>95861203
And they're doing it again in Ilclan now that the Ravens have demonstrated that they're willing to orbitally bombard cities into ruble on behalf of the ilclan.
They still haven't resolved why Alaric is in charge when the Ravens could just bomb him into oblivion using their vastly more powerful military.

>>95861212
>they’re not going to do shit against the royal family
Nigga has never read a single book about the medieval period, LMAOOO! What were the constant rebellions faced by kings? What was Richard the Lionhearts rebellion against his father? What was the War of the Roses? What was the English Civil War? All of that just in the Anglosphere, too. Go to Spain, France, Germany, etc. you'll find more examples.

>>95861214
>And they're doing it again in Ilclan now that the Ravens have demonstrated that they're willing to orbitally bombard cities into ruble on behalf of the ilclan.
The fact the Cappies aren't frothing at the mouth and mass nuking the Star League Protectorate region makes no sense.
>They still haven't resolved why Alaric is in charge when the Ravens could just bomb him into oblivion using their vastly more powerful military.
I'm half sure the Snow Ravens and Sea Foxes are just humoring Alaric so he can be the easy to hate face of the "Wolf Empire" while they jockey for actual control of the IS in the background.
Sea Foxes run the HPG and is the clan providing Alaric all his material and salvage while running up his credit, Snow Ravens are the big stick of his empire with their massive Void Assets. He's being turned into a figure head and either doesn't realize it or has some smooth brain play the writers expect us to be in awe of when it happens.

>>95861211
Are you okay Anon? You didn't make much sense there. Are you arguing that the Mechs in BT shouldn't be stompy because certain anime's predate them, or that they shouldn't be because the anime's use them where they're more like dancers or fighters?
On the other hand who gives a fuck what the Anime did, this is BT not Gundam.

>>95861242
NTA but I think what he's saying that it's pointless to try to seperate Battletech from mecha anime. I can't say I disagree either desu.

>>95861200
Light mechs are stompy, their stomps are just cuter.

>>95861211
>Anime
This is not the issue, and you know it. As you say, anime has done stompy mechs too. It has everything to do with the fact that Battletech's mech's are mobile gun platforms, not transformers who can turn from robots to planes.
>But the unseen are all originally able to transform in the anime Macross!
Then go listen to mid J-Pop and goon to giantess porn bro, no one is stopping you. Let the rest of us play the stompy autistic math game.
>Well WE were here first because the devs put it in the game.
They also put the Clans in the game without a points cost system. They also gave us retarded lore for the Clans instead of creating a points cost system. They also gave us clickytech. They also gave us Jihad. Just because they put it in the game doesn't make it good.

No one is saying that BT doesn't have anime roots and inspiration. But we are saying that it shouldn't become anime, and it definitely shouldn't become an already existing anime.

>>95861203
>mechs don't work without hand waving to begin with.
What hand waving? We've got walking robots IRL, that dog-bot for carrying gear is damned hard to kick over.
The engineering scales up just fine, that it hasn't been done yet doesn't mean it won't be done.

>>95861269

You sound like an absolute child

FaggleTech

>>95861237
Everyone should be frothing. It's Turtle Bay 2.0, and so far as I know no one really seems to care. Post jihad, that just seems sort of weird.

>>95861315
FraggleTech

>>95861320
What's funny is that Alaric himself or at least some of his advisors seem to be the only ones who are worried about the repercussions beyond "the cappies might try to retaliate". Some of them actually wanted to try and make a star league that people want to be a part of and Turtle Baying places runs counter to that.

>>95861344
Well they nuked the capital of a Successor State and killed a Great Lord in the process.
The Great Lord of a state whose citizens are fed propaganda 24/7, a much looser sense of ethics than even the other Successor States, and is currently the strongest they've been in centuries.
If this doesn't lead to a horrifying total war scenario across the IS, nothing will and the writers will be officially worse than the guys that wrote Dark Age.

>>95860348
>"absolute monarchy"
>has one of two legislatures said to actually have power

>>95861320
>Post jihad, that just seems sort of weird.

It's exactly because it's post-Jihad. Orbital bombardment was used to much in the Jihad that it's lost some impact.

Also, they were only killing Capellans.

>>95861365
The thing to remember here is that the Cappies not only used nukes first but also were the only ones between the two to use nukes. The Ravens used their capital weapons to surgically bombard them rather than just saturate the city. They've both still broken the Ares Conventions and committed war crimes but the silver lining is that one side did not escalate the situation further. Which should, in theory, lessen the reputation impact.

>>95861453
I don't know if that'll actually matter to anyone in the setting. Ultimately the Cappies nuked an unused building while the Ravens used a Warship on the capital of a major faction, and surgically aiming for the leadership of said faction in particular wouldn't really make that less of a red flag for the rest of the states.
Like, on paper the Cappies escalated first I guess, but I don't see that logic making anyone feel better about the situation.
I certainly wouldn't like anything about this situation if I was one of the other Great Houses hearing about it.

>>95861113
>Can we just not import migrants and force companies to pay good wages?
No. No we cannot. Companies will never willingly pay good wages for ALL jobs (regardless if YOU think that they deserve good wages), unless they're forced to by the government. But one group doesn't like that either.

>>95860408
the retards of /btg/ will never fucking admit their tolerance for evil allows evil to flourish. bystander syndrome.

>>95861180
>why bother
>This but mechs.
THIS! Exactly! Mechs have always been the worst and dumbest part of Battletech. This game is at its best when it's about post apoc ramshackle conventional forces, not about big robots that would just have guides munitions hit the joints anyway. Get rid of LAMs AND get rid of Mechs!

>>95861482
>tolerance for evil
If you didn't have this you would have shot Coleman years ago. Shut the fuck up, faggotlover.

>>95861008
fuckoff TCO. everyone hates you.

>>95861490
murder is illegal, you fucking incitement glowie faggot fed. banning you and bottom is not.

>>95861453
The Ravens surgically saturated the city. As in, every square meter inside the city limits was obliterated, but very little outside of it. They didn't just take out the military HQ or government buildings or whatever, they killed every man, woman, and child in there. Probably dozens of hospitals, schools, orphanages, orphan work centers, orphan food lines, orphan onions processing lines, etc.

>>95861510
>murder is illegal
He who saves his game doesn't break any law.

>>95861534
ok, glowie fed faggot. fucking die in a fire.

>>95861511
So they israeled

>>95861110
>generally they didnt care about private weapon ownership as they were largely under no threat by their people
Until they are, and it's suddenly illegal to own swords, cutlery, or nunchucks if you aren't a part of the privilege class.

>>95861113
>Can we just not import migrants and force companies to pay good wages?
Pick one or the other.
Either you bring in immigrants to do the crap jobs at a fraction of the pay you literally couldn't get your own citizens to do it for, or you force your citizens to accept they have to be Meat Processors or Vegetable Pickers and be exploited for the greater good.

>>95861121
>Normally their self interest.
>Legally their populace of their lands as this assists with the above 90% of the time.
More like 60% of the time...
Wave away "jus primae noctis" as a myth all you want, there was still the TWO Barons' Wars, and that's just England.

>>95861212
>Who, by design, are all the personal friends of the royals, suck ups, and brown-nosers, they’re not going to do shit against the royal family, the royals made sure of that by eliminating anyone in their courts with a spine or vendetta.
EXACTLY!

>>95861235
Exceptions that PROVE the Rule!
And notice all those happen when the brown-nosers stop brown-nosing.

>>95861476
>Companies will never willingly pay good wages for ALL jobs (regardless if YOU think that they deserve good wages), unless they're forced to by the government.
Hell in some cases they literally CANNOT, and need Government support via subsidized funding AND social safety nets.

Remember Walmart purposefully pays their employees just enough to stay below the poverty line and thus qualify for SNAP.

>>95861511
If they weren't already concerned because of Galedon then they are now

>>95861547
Keep tolerating evil, then. You're no better than anyone else who you rail against.

>>95861612
you aren't going to incite me to commit felonies, you retarded glowie fed faggot.

>>95861623
If you aren't willing to perform the bare minimum to meet your own standards of behavior, then don't expect anyone else to take you seriously. You've said that a tolerance of evil is just as bad as being evil yourself. Well, you're tolerating evil. So either go do something about it, or be evil yourself. Your own words probably taste worse when they're crammed back down your throat.

>>95861631
you're a strawmanning faggot. glowie tard.

murder is in no way the fucking equivalent of gatekeeping fucking /btg/ by reporting fucktards properly instead of standing idly by.

go fuck yourself with a rake, glowie.

>>95861510
>Tolerance for evil allows evil to flourish
>So stop tolerating evil then
>That's against the law tho
If you're gonna talk shit, at least back up your own words you hypocrite.

>>95861551
That's a fucking wild way to describe it, but also completely accurate. You're a cool guy, anon.

>>95861088
>>95861102
>>95861110
>>95861113
It's Manic/nice deamonette, ignore him. He's ban evading yet again.
>deport migrants
Yes. Unironically better for the common worker as the available pool of workers goes down, companies have to up their offers and start treating lower end workers as people. There is competition in the job market and that leads to a leaner, healthier, economy, with companies having to actually offer something beyond "minimal wage, 0 benefits, and if we want you to do extra you will, and with no overtime pay".
Remember, Big Corpo loves mass immigration nearly as much as they love outsourcing to end world nations.
>monarchy
As Count Dankula happily states: with a monarchy you have one person in charge, and he needs to keep the people happy because if the people are not happy they know who to come for". Monarchy's are a good system, there's no "pressure vent" every 4 years like there is in the current democratic system to let the anger and resent drop again after a run of bad rule.

>Australians wake up
>thread immediately goes to shit
Like clockwork

>>95861701
don't look at australia. it's 5 pm here.
>wake up
fucking americans cannot into time.

ALSO, MODS, some faggot trying to get people to go out and commit MURDER is a fucking FELONY in and of itself. their posts are breaches of US LAW. faggot tr00n mods.

What time is it in the US? I'm starting to think its not the Aussies that need banning.

>>95861729
It's between midnight and 4 AM in the states.

>>95861721
You don't have any idea what US law says you idiot. Nothing he has posted so far comes anywhere close to the legal definition of incitement. Fuck off back to your third world country and consider yourself gate kept from this fan base. We don't want hypocrites like you here.

>>95861729
Lets not complain but instead discuss cute girls with battlemechs okay?

>>95861566
I think another issue most people miss when it comes to immigration and labor protections isn't just the labor supply but the empathy supply. A workforce that is not racially homogenous will be A)less capable of organizing with each other and B)trigger less sympathy in executive and political classes that are still majority white. Why should politicians and businessmen care what happens to brown mystery meat that has no biological or historical connection to themselves? Immigration, at least on a large scale, was never a "leftist" political project, but rather a scheme by the capitalist centre-right to weaponize the racism of the populist right against the working class as a whole. The problem is that aggressive anti-immigrant policies like Trump's are too little, too late. You can't fix the problem by restoring a white workforce because over the last century the capitalist and political classes have weeded put anyone who isn't a sociopath who'll treat anyone as equally worthless regardless of race.

>>95861815
>its not incitement to commit murder and a deliberate call to violence of an explicit person

>because I say so reeeeeeeeee

>>95861069
>Don't go bitching about immigrant labor if you don't want to off-shore.
Shut up. Immigrants aren't needed to run local factories.

>>95861269
>No one is saying that BT doesn't have anime roots and inspiration. But we are saying that it shouldn't become anime, and it definitely shouldn't become an already existing anime.

I blame Gundam. Gundam isn't popular in the west anymore and so the few hardcore Gundam fans are looking to make something into the next Gundam. They already Gundamified the Armored Core series and they'd like to do it to Battletech as well. But we don't want Gundam, we want Battletech. If we wanted Gundam, we'd do Gundam stuff. We aren't though. We're doing Battletech stuff and really we're just sick of people coming to Battletech and trying to change it into something it isn't.

>>95861534
Don't act smart when others are being serious. You do yourself no favors.

>>95862186
It's ND, he's got over a decade of history on here being a retard, and despite repeatedly being proven wrong he insists he's right and the most knowledgeable on everything.

>>95861269
>Battletech's mech's are mobile gun platforms
They're big metal people. They're gundam but with scratchy paintjobs. Actually gundam already did that first with msv, so it's just gundam, I guess.
>>95862219
>Gundam isn't popular in the west anymore
It's the exact opposite. Gundam has sneakily rose again to massive heights through gunpla. If you don't buy gunpla you wouldn't even notice. Gundam is once again an absolutely massive franchise in the west.
>They already Gundamified the Armored Core series
Oh. Did they leave you behind on the short bus tour or something?
I mean it's already stupid to pretend battletech is anything much different from gundam or macross or dougram or whatever, but AC isn't like gundam? lol

>>95861269
>But we are saying that it shouldn't become anime
Nobody tell him.

The TDR-5SS is like a perfect bruiser of a mech, like a budget Battlemaster.

>>95862535
You see a lot of good designs suddenly appear in the 3020s, I don't know when they were designed in real life, but they certainly seem to be tighter and more focused.

>>95859836

I leave the general for a year and theres a weird humiliation kink roleplay thing going on. Is this what being a catalyst demo team member entails. Thank fuck valk rooted out the chuds.

>>95862535
Thunderbolts are great and I can't think of a truly bad variant among them. The only design I can think of is the 9SE only for the fact that I believe that large pulse really should be an ER PPC.

The TDR-5SS will comfortably stand up against designs much heavier than it. Hell if it had one more medium laser it pretty much would stand up against the Battlemaster in a frontal engagement as the only real advantage the Battlemaster would have in this case is 1.5 tons of extra protection.

>>95862677
The bad variants are the ones that put their LRM ammo in the center torso

>>95862334
>They're gundam but with scratchy paintjobs
I don't know, Gundam pull of some really wacky movement shit even in 0079 that makes them just a bit to divorced from Battletech in my eyes. The actual comparison (which I'm surprised no one in the anime camp has brought up yet) is Dougram, where the Combat Armors (outside of the eponymous one, because protagonist) move and shoot generally how I would expect battlemechs to.

>>95862393
>All cartoons are anime
Nobody tell him.

>>95862677
From a BV standpoint there are some not great models, which means they are only not optimal in the meta sense. Personally I don't like any of the later variants which use XL engines or otherwise degrade the durability. Semi related, my biggest complaint about the Orion is that it goes from a big solid slab of introtech steel to a more vulnerable heavy because they stick XLs and Gauss rifles in them.

>>95861378
The mighty power of setting the budget... which the Archon can over rule and redirect funds towards any project he or she deems necessary. The Estates General has authority and the ability to make some policy, but only at the pleasure of the Archon. If ever the Archon decides that they want something done, it gets done, and the Estates General can do nothing but humbly beg the Archon heed their advice.
>What about Alessandro then?
Alessandro was only got his vote of no confidence after the presumed dead heir apparent came back, announced her intention to pursue the title of Archon, and had the entire LCAF throw in behind her, with literally nobody willing to support Alessandro. The fact that immediately after the vote was unanimous, as well as the fact that the military immediately seized Alessandro the second he stepped out means that the whole thing was likely arranged by Katrina, and that the Estates General did little else but rubber stamp the coup.

>>95861680
>Unironically better for the common worker as the available pool of workers goes down, companies have to up their offers and start treating lower end workers as people. There is competition in the job market and that leads to a leaner, healthier, economy, with companies having to actually offer something beyond "minimal wage, 0 benefits, and if we want you to do extra you will, and with no overtime pay".
Except they don't, and instead look for the next exploitable population available.

>>95861899
>I think another issue most people miss when it comes to immigration and labor protections isn't just the labor supply but the empathy supply
>over the last century the capitalist and political classes have weeded put anyone who isn't a sociopath who'll treat anyone as equally worthless regardless of race.
I think it's not anything to do "racial homogeny," it's that unregulated capitalism favors sociopathy!
"Race" and "Class" are just exploitable categorizations with conveniently vague boundaries that are easily redefined.

>>95862186
>Shut up. Immigrants aren't needed to run local factories.
Tell that to the Meat Packing Plants.
You want to know who they'd replace the immigrants with?
Literal Child Labor!

>>95862865
Its still silly to this day that BV both fucks and buffs some units. Like anything with DHS automatically gets a huge buff thanks to BV not really taking them into account.

>>95862535
It's really well designed, I bring one even in later eras because it still puts down reliable damage and still tanks hits. One of my favorite mechs period.

>>95862677
The Lyrans gave it a flamer instead of that 4th laser to nerf it. Its not even that big a nerf either. As for bad thuds there's some questionable choices in later designs that make it more fragile, which a thud should never be, but for introtech I dont think the 5D is a good design. A sign of success war desperation maybe but an AC20 and LRM10 with no supporting weapons is pretty shit to me especially when youre running 14 heat sinks for some reason. They should have used an AC10 and made a Centurion that can stand up to enemy fire.

>>95862865
Orions have never been a resilient mech for me. They always get ammo crits early into matches or spend the whole thing lying on the ground until they get an ammo crit.

>>95862334
>They're gundam but with scratchy paintjobs. Actually gundam already did that first with msv, so it's just gundam, I guess.
You're tricking people into thinking that our battleship accident simulator is just like their animay here.
Why would you do that?

>>95862186
>Immigrants aren't needed to run local factories.
Every factory I ever worked was full of immigrants, and that's legal immigrants or secondos who're fully covered and get at least minimum wage.

>>95863204
>battleship accident simulator
Hey, just because land Battletech plays like a WWI dreadnought game, is no reason to dismiss our actual space battleship accident simulator game like that.

>>95862334
Comparing battletech with Gundam is like comparing formula 1 racing with tractor pulls

>>95861680
>Unironically better for the common worker as the available pool of workers goes down, companies have to up their offers and start treating lower end workers as people.
Not really. The standard answer to low a availability of labour is enslavement or other means of creating a permanently dependent labour class through political means while the standard answer as to how labour standards get improved is labour creating political organizations of its own.

>>95863257
Not him, but the organizing only works if there is no external source of labor that can undercut it, i.e. scabs, offshoring, illegals, automation, etc. So you really need both finite labor and that labor has to organize.

Now let's talk about automation in Battletech. Anybody ever find the fluff about how the Feddies were able to upgrade their black box Valk factory to Phoenix specs? Always seemed like that kind of Lostech was out of their reach.

>>95862834
Gundam's tv animation having them do wrestling moves and jump around and roll about is pretty much the same age problems as the original art battlemechs being super goofy.
Think of it like this, how do you think battlemechs would've been animated in the early 80s? Not like how people would expect now, that's for sure. Definitely more wrestling.
>>95863250
I don't think that they're so wildly different that they'd be entirely separate genres though. It's like two military mech series and in one they don't overheat so much.

>>95863322
>>95863250

Gundam is shit when they focus on space. There's no point to the humanoid form there. Earth arcs are the best and most Battletech. Change my mind.

>>95863322
I less so mean the grappling and leaping as I mean shit like the Dom's moving over 200 miles per hour, and the Gundam essentially being able to fly, to say nothing of the Gundam's own transformations using the core fighter.

>>95863322
>Think of it like this, how do you think battlemechs would've been animated in the early 80s?

We know how they were animated, and it wasn't doing acrobatics.

>>95863322
>I don't think that they're so wildly different that they'd be entirely separate genres though.
They're separate genres of racing. Like Speed Boat racing vs Air racing.

Hi /btg/.

Despite having little knowledge about setting (limited to whatever I would read at Sarna and from playing MW5 and Battletech), I recently made BT-inspired custom model from spare parts and scratchbuilt elements and I would like to ask you about some details (please don't call Trial of Grievance over design, also I don't have access to BT decals so I used one from set I have, out of universe but could fit I guess). I imagined his weaponry as dual ER PPC and two ATM (those racks have 2 x 6 missiles inside each) backed up with two medium lasers (this turret under nose) but Im not sure if this setup is viable or overpowered/undergunned for heavy mech. Also, would it make sense lore-wise for ATM to appear on mech operated by Inner Sphere military, even as salvaged machine?

Thanks for help.

>>95863113
BV takes them into account in almost all cases, because the heat efficiency rules are based on how much heat you dissipate. There's only a handful of units (e.g. a pair of Spiders, a pair of Champions) that show a flaw here, costing the same with and without doubles though they shouldn't.

>>95863392
So this is basically a Madcat-type design. You can choose to have it fully-clantech, where it could be some experimental Madcat 3.5, 4 Enhanced, whatever that was salvaged.

Alternatively, you could have it as a later-era refinement of the Rakshasa, like a Rakshasa II with some clan level tech natively made in Davion space in the Dark Age/ilClan.

Lastly, you could have it as some one-off prototype from some state and treat it basically the same as your average Gundam story.

>>95863341
It's actually the opposite. Mobile suits can operate in space, and then move inside of and continue to fight in space colonies. The entire first half of the OYW was zeon taking colonies like this and there's not actually many better "realistic" options for that.
Ironically battlemechs would also be pretty good at colony raiding. Cause they're so similar.
>>95863359
They'd be animated just like transformers in the 80's and you know it.
>>95863367
This but they're both speed boats, made in the same era by the same kinds of designers. One is brown though.
>>95863392
he's cute.

>>95863392
Noice jpb 30 MM Anon!

>>95863424
Yeah, looks like a solid loadout to me, though some might consider it under gunned.
Biggest question I have is the need for ATMs, since I thought Inner Sphere MMLs were generally superior.

>>95863442
ATM's do more damage but MML's have better weight and more options. In the timeframe you would be operating in, iATM's actually exist as well. It's pretty much up to you. Give us a tonnage for chassis and we can mock up some possible record sheets. Looking on the model itself, I would guess the lighter end of the heavy tonnage range 60-70 tons.

>>95863433
It's more like one joined the Flying Tigers while the other started selling coke to Epstein and Trump.

>>95863466
>>95863442
>>95863392

Forgot to tag the OG poster.

Gentlemen, it is with a heavy heart that I must report the Dracs have taken the King's colors. I'm not going to do a full batrep because I don't have the energy and the whole thing was too depressing to relive in full, but the highlights include Hagman missing almost every single shot he took, despite having fantastic numbers all game long (his worst TN for his gauss rifles the entire game was an 8). Despite spending 2 entire tons of gauss ammo, he only landed 5 slugs. I was regularly missing on 5s and 6s. Harris got decapitated on turn 3 by a clantech ERPPC from a Grand Dragon 12k (the enemy lance MVP for sure), and the only thing I actually managed to Kill was when Sharpe landed an LB20X slug into the enemy Phoenix Hawk PLS that tore off the right torso. Patrick Harper was my MVP, landing a fair number of his shots, including a TAC SBGR BB to the PHawk's lower leg and hip actuator as well as one to the gyro. But he was the second victim of the Grand Dragon, having his stil mostly intact armor slab ignored as the thing put all its firepower into his right torso, killing his ride via XL engine death.

I don't think I did anything hugely wrong in terms of positioning or play, sometimes, the dice just fucking hate you.

>>95863392
>please don't call Trial of Grievance over design
You fool! I declare a Trial of Possession! What forces dare defend this model from the steel talons of the Jade Falcons?

>>95863433
>Mobile suits can operate in space, and then move inside of and continue to fight in space colonies. The entire first half of the OYW was zeon taking colonies like this and there's not actually many better "realistic" options for that.

Oh, I know the history. I'm just saying that colony battles and space battles fucking suck. The only exception is 0080 when everyone is stuck on the colony the whole time so it's basically an earth arc.

>>95863482
Harris's beautiful corpse.

>>95863482
>sometimes, the dice just fucking hate you
For me, that time is all the time.

>>95863505
Silver and Black were the gauss rifles, red were ML, one of the silver die got moved a facing when I was putting them on the dry erase board to photograph. This was an entirely typical shooting activation for me last night.

>>95863530
Where I started.

>>95863505
Rip, such cockpit shots always suck

>>95863550
Where it ended.

>>95863482
You disgraced us sir, you shamed us sir!

>>95863482
>Hagman missed every shot
That is fucking tragic. It sounds like you need to take one dice and smash it bits in front of the others, as a warning not to misbehave. Just be sure to bleed yourself afterwards, don't want to build up a spleen.

>>95863466
>In the timeframe you would be operating in, iATM's actually exist as well. It's pretty much up to you. Give us a tonnage for chassis and we can mock up some possible record sheets. Looking on the model itself, I would guess the lighter end of the heavy tonnage range 60-70 tons.
Would we be using a ClanTech XL if we're doing iATMs?
I was able to squeeze an extra Movement Point in with one for 5/8.

>>95863530
For clarity, when I say that the silver die got moved a facing, that '3' was actually a '2'. I missed ALL FOUR GUNS on 5s and 7s.

>>95863582
Yeah. That's available even during the invasion.

>>95863392
A) It's too big for play, and
B) Battletech isn't WYSIWYG
So Call it a Timberwolf or a Rakshasa, it's not like there aren't 3 or more conflicting artistic depictions of most mechs anyway.

>>95863504
Actually they're really cool. In fact it's some of the best parts of battletech too.

>>95863577
I love how superstitious every fa/tg/uy gets over dice.

>>95863442
>>95863433
Thank you.

>>95863424
>>95863466
>>95863442
I initially imagined him as 75T heavy, since he is about to enter /m/ friendly model competition with artillery theme - long range orientated, hence the ER PCC and missile launchers. Choice for ATM is solely dictated by how these racks contains 6 missiles (on top and bottom, each) and MML appears in 3-5-7-9 variants. Unless this could be skipped for more lore-friendly setup. Since you mention it being undergunned a bit, arms have parts under main part that could pass as Large Lasers but Im not sure if, even lightly armored, he would have enough space for housing large number of heatsinks as dual ER PPC combined with two LS and ML would make it run hot quickly.

Since someone at /wip/ called it "illegitimate child of Stormcrow and Timber Wolf", maybe he could be named Storm Wolf?

>>95863608
>A) It's too big for play,
Someone ain't heard of Big Scale.

>>95863505
>>95863530
>>95863550
>>95863559
So what now? Send in the navy?

>>95863492
Can someone actually refuse batchall?

>>95863573
I have friends at Court, and a cousin in the Heavy Guards sir.

>>95863419
Mean yes but also no. There's actually quite a few units that have this same flaw but because they are using slightly different loadouts it gets disguised. Like the Highlander for example; HGN-732 vs HGN-732b, only a 100pt BV difference but a vast upgrade in capabilities with the Royal. Telling me that's treating heat dissipation capabilities fairly?

>>95863623
>>95863623
h I've heard of it, but that's a meme that looks like shit as you lay on whatever carpeted floor the convention has in the spare room with taped off zones and random boxes as terrain which you might do maybe 4 or 5 times in your life.
Anon's piece is a beautiful display item, but given the newb knowledge of Battletch shown, is not going to playing in those rare meme games.

>>95863577
The worst part is that usually my silver dice are fairly lucky, that's why I use them to throw gauss rifle slugs downrange. But not last night. Oh boy, not last night at all.

>>95863620
Other anon >>95863577 was right, I'm going to have to punish some of them.

>>95863625
Didn't you see? >>95863232 Navy's done for too. I think Ol' Takeshi wins this round, but we'll be back. Mark my words, we'll be back.

>>95863636
The man who loses the First Prince's colours loses the First Prince's friendship!

>>95863593
Well now I'm wondering about the ER PPCs, as Clan ER PPCs go 15 Damage for 15 Heat and are a ton less than IS's 10/15/7.

>>95863622
Clan ER PPCs it is, since that frees up two more tons for Engine Double Heat Sinks.

>maybe he could be named Storm Wolf?
Unfortunately we already have one, which oddly looks like a Shadow Hawk?

>>95863659
>I'm going to have to punish some of them
May I suggest Diceimation?

Like Decimation. Select one of the dice by random lot, and force the others that failed alongside it to beat it to death, literally or metaphorically.

It worked for the roman legions.

>>95863656
>which you might do maybe 4 or 5 times in your life.

God willing. I've got a whole force, and I've done it once.

>>95863659
Well at least didn't unfold like vid related?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jvQ8lY9fU4

>>95863684
You can't choose the dice randomly by rolling dice, though, since it would invalidate the entire exercise. But how do you make the dice draw straws?

>>95863689
It's like having a life-size chess board in your garden, you're not doing it to play with.

>>95863632
yes.
To refuse a fair batchall is seen as cowardly and could affect your honor / standing, but it is not forced.
Additionally, stupid Batchalls (like some green recruit trying to challenge he star leader) is considered dishonorable to even declare.

Are there any planets with First Nations based populations or societies?

Kinda looking for an Aztec or Mayan theme to build a merc unit around.

I was experimenting with painting mechs like Eagle or Jaguar warriors.

>>95863883
First nations is Canukistan talk. It's American Indians. The Mexica, Maya, Chichimeca and all the others under Spanish rule were quite effectively colonized just like real life (See the Battletech timeline split in the 1980's) and did not randomly retrograde and make it to space like so many others. There are plenty of Mexican themed planets though.

>>95863883
No, they only survived as Real American Soccer team logos.

>>95863916
>First nations is Canukistan talk.
Incorrect.
Canada legally refers to them as Indians, you can check out such documents as "The Indian Act" or "Indian status card". Not even "American Indians" just plain "Indians"
>t. leaf

>>95863883
>First Nations based populations or societies?
Sure, but with the understanding that every single ethnicity is the First Nation of it's ancestral homelands. You've got Jaanese First Nations in the Combine, you've got German First Nations in the Lyrans, you've got Chinese First Nations in the Capellans, etc...etc...

>>95863930
I must have just been listening to your shit Prime Ministers speeches, but good to know. Same here. Still the Bureau of Indian Affairs. Still the Congress of American Indians.

>>95863856
What about batchalls you know you will lose? Like if rather inexperienced commander being called by obvious veteran?

>>95863940
Yeah, whenever someone talked about Indians when I was growing up it was always accompanied by a question of 'Red dot, or feather?" But not in the last decade or so, no one has any confusion as to which kind is talked about frequently now.

>>95863257
Not really, as >>95863288 said that relies on you having some large pool to draw upon. Such as migrants.
It's the basic law of supply vs demand, if you have something and lots of people want it, you can charge more. If you increase the supply but the demand does not increase, the value of the thing drops. Case and point, if companies are restricted to only the native workforce they have a limited supply, and must offer competitive wages and benefits to entice workers. If you flood your country with migrants and bloat the supply of available labour them there is no longer an incentive to offer more than the bare legal minimum. Case and point, England, where wages have stagnated vs inflation and the standard of living has dropped due to the workforce being massively diluted to the point that there's more workers than jobs so companies are happy to offer the bare minimum.
>captcha: GGOY8

>>95863656
I think somebody once tried to do alternate rules for "big scale" with posable gunpla-style models that had some kind of stance system. Did that ever go anywhere.

>>95855504
Let's see here
>Valk
Don't know who they are
>Pardoe
He's the independent contractor who writes cringe political novels who everyone says was fired but in reality he wasn't an employee lol
>Loren's porch
The owner of CGL did some shady shit and spent money on getting his house remodeled or something?
>Razorfist
The rage baiter who is too old to dress and act the way he does, was BTFO'd by gay liberal twink Kyle Kulinski in a political debate.
>Madcap
He's the dude who LARP's making Capellan propaganda right?

How did I do? Not sure about the trans flags and Marian chuds being removed.

>>95862334
>If you don't buy gunpla you wouldn't even notice
In other words, Gundam isn't popular.

>>95864103
>I am completely unaware of all the cringe shit the lefty CGL employees do.
>But all these alt-righters are the actual cringe and I hate them!
Be less obvious, faggot.

>>95864041
Kraken your Norf ass doesn't know shit about labor.
As an Iowan, I at least have the cultural reference of Detasseling.
"A part-time job that pays $20 an HOUR?! You must have to fight tooth and NAIL to get an application!"
Nope, if you're lucky, you'll only ever be stupid enough to do it ONCE.
Why?
IT IS THAT SHIT!
It's so shit, you can't even get immigrant workers to do it, thus the constant churn of teenagers blinded by Jacksons before the harsh realities of peak summer in the middle of a corn field set in.

>>95864161
You are the failure offspring of a line of failure morons who would cringe if they could see the cringe shit you post on this armenian goat fucking forum.

>>95864161
Nah man. You ain't seen shit pay until you've been paid to haul squarebales of hay in summer. Used to get a quarter a bale in the 90's, and the heat is much worse in Texas. Now I can sell old cowboy boots on ebay for 10x the return. The economy is retarded. Water is wet. News at 11.

>>95864041
>>95863288
If you do not feel like dropping the topic - the working man has citizen rights, illegal immigrants do not.
So importing illegals isn't a counter to labour activism unless you already have the political power to augment your labour pool with unfree labour at will.

>>95863883
I actually had an idea for a minor Star League-era faction called the Cultural Preservation Trust. They were a charitable organization that secured terraforming rights to various out of the way planets to build settlements for various cultures that rarely ventured into space like Native Americans, African Bushmen and the Amish so that they wouldn't go extinct if anything happened to Earth. After the Amaris Civil War many of them lost contact with the outside world and forgot the rest of the Inner Sphere existed, but a few maintained a handful of advanced tech like Dropships and small mech garrisons. Many of the tribes that had gone completely feral were snapped up by Comstar and either seduced by their seemingly miraculous technologies or converted into the cult by force, losing their ancient culture in the end, anyway.

>>95864192
Believe me my father did worse.
>>95864196
>You ain't seen shit pay until you've been paid to haul squarebales of hay in summer.
I actually do have the tiniest bit of personal experience handling squarebales, while I know that's bad, Detasseling is SO much worse.
Imagine having to haul those bales in full body covering clothes.
Similar climate conditions, but you need to wear sleeves least the corn leaves eviscerate you, and you have to keep those bales up at face level, because the Corn's tassels are seven feet up!

>>95864257
>Detasseling
Yeah, all dryland farming down here. Corn doesn't get 7ft tall. That shit sucks. Glad it's all cotton, wheat and cattle here.

>>95864308
Yeah, so you don't get a DRY heat in a grown corn field, it's muggy and buggy as shit.
And again, you're in sleeves and long pants so the leaves don't shred you.
Baling sucks for sure, but even born and raised farm boys don't Detassel twice if they can help it.

>>95864041
>It's the basic law of supply vs demand, if you have something and lots of people want it, you can charge more.
You set your price according to how much you want to earn after production cost, actually. Supply vs demand only come into play with bulk goods that are easily transferable, easily comparable and that have a very wide and very liberal market with many participants.

Labour force isn't actually fluid enough to be counted as such a product and labour can control the market through political organization.

>Case and point, England
Immigration is a privatized for-profit venture in Great Britain. Parliament outsourced the rights of it years ago, so the ownership class will get exactly as many Africans and Indians as they need because they're paying for them to be imported.

>>95864399
>so the ownership class will get exactly as many Africans and Indians as they need because they're paying for them to be imported
Honestly same here in Iowa, which is why they haven't sent in the Marines just yet...

>>95855135
Much better, Kevin.

>>95864399
My point was that if you saturate the labour market, there is no incentive to offer incentives to workers, or anything beyond the legal minimum. A healthy labour market is lean and trim, and makes the corpos offer more to workers.

>>95864243
Problem over here is the legals, they come in by their thousands on small boats and are rubber stamped in. And they then go on to employ illegals in the deliveroo economy, or in barber and vape shops.

>>95864161
Lmao. I've seen your body, your not hauling bales. Your not doing anything physical. You know jack shit about work given that, by your own admission, you don't work and never have.
Now, unlike you I actually work, and have experience, so feel free to blather on, it's funny to see a tard try to act big.

Anyway, back on topic, the ostscout is here. I'll grab a pic later. Very excited as the unseen osts are like almost impossible to find in the UK.

>>95864130
I'm white and probably more racist than you are nigger and no I don't pay attention to every gay little thing CGL does, so why don't you stop being a faggot and fill me in?

>>95864584
>or anything beyond the legal minimum.
Or even to offer the legal minimum, because illegals are cheaper and legals come with tax returns.

>>95864584
>I've seen your body, your not hauling bales.
I at least know the difference between handling bales and hauling them!
Your the kind of dumbass who get his fingers amputated at the knuckles.

>Mech
BJ-1

>Equipment Changes
REMOVE 1x AC/2 Ammo CT
REMOVE 1x SHS LT
REMOVE 1x Medium Laser RT
REMOVE 1x AC/2 LA
REMOVE 1x AC/2 RA
REMOVE 2x JumpJet LL
REMOVE 2x JumpJet RL
ADD 1x AC/5 Ammo CT
ADD 1x AC/5 LA
ADD 1x AC/5 RA

>Armor Allocation
-2 CT(R)
-1 LT(R)
-1 RT(R)
+2 CT
+1 LA
+1 RA

>Refit Level
Class B (Field)

>New Designation
BJ-1r

>Battle Value
924 (-25)

>>95864608
>I don't pay attention to every little thing about CGL but I know all about a nobody youtuber and a battletech author!
You glow, troon.

> when someone in btg mentions agriculture

>>95864584
>My point was that if you saturate the labour market, there is no incentive to offer incentives to workers, or anything beyond the legal minimum.
Wages have been out of whack with productivity since at least the 90s. The problem really isn't a glut in labour but a lack in power of labour orgs to increase the working man's share in the ROI they generate.

>>95864632
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD MEAL!
SKULLS FOR THE BONE MEAL!!!

>>95864628
First off I said every gay little thing, get it right retard. Second you still haven't filled me in on all the homo shit you pay attention to

>>95864670
No, you don't need to be informed about the two most news worthy things that have happened with CGL which you are just playing stupid about.

>>95864687
Which are the most news worthy, the valk person, the trans flags, or the marian chud removal?

>>95864628
>>95864608
I've had literal gay sex that involved less faggoty that whatever it is you two fucking troglodytes have going on here. Shut the fuck up and let the thread be about mechs and the combat thereof.

>>95864717
Tell yourself dipshit.

>>95864626
>Mech
CGR-1A1

>Equipment Changes
REMOVE 1x Small Laser HD
REMOVE 1x Small Laser LT
REMOVE 1x Small Laser RT
REMOVE 0.5 ton Standard Armor (8pts)
ADD 1x Medium Laser LT
ADD 1x Medium Laser RT

>Armor Allocation
-2 LT
-2 RT
-2 LA
-2 RA

>Refit Level
Class B (Field)

>New Designation
CGR-1A1r

>Battle Value
1,044 (+63)

Sheets with refit summary can be found here:
https://imgur.com/a/btg-p-r-o-j-e-c-t-3-0-1-5-w54GVSJ
'Mechs are arranged alphabetically.

>>95864733
why not just remove the small lasers in the instead of giving up armor? If you desperately want something for infantry, keep the head laser or the pistol laser if you're that desperate to pistol whip people.

>>95864763
Don't normal small lasers not get the anti-infantry bonus they did in editions past? I thought that was only small pulse lasers that got it.

>>95864844
They do iirc, but it's very small, nothing compared to small pulses and machine guns.

>>95864733
This is just a 1L with autism.

>>95864871
I'm not seeing it?

>>95864717
Fuck off gay nigger no one asked you. Were you giving the dick or taking it up the ass?
>>95864687
Also fuck you too nigger for making me google this gay shit, I've learned that valk is a demo team tranny who is threating to shoot those heckin nazis lol.

Why do I get blocked from posting for 14 min, really now, after all the shit I see you people argue about in here, you let some fag talk about gay sex with some anons dead father? Fuck you janny nigger, literally kill yourself.

>>95864763
I wasn't keen on removing any more than necessary, but I suppose that's an option.

>>95864844
They don't, but 1 SL against an infantry platoon will still equal a dead infantryman on a hit. Not that you'd want to hang around to keep firing it to whittle down a platoon.

>>95864885
A little uncharitable if somewhat amusing.

>>95864844
It never did. Only fluff said it was for anti-infantry use despite it not having a bonus.

>>95863883
The only somewhat solid thing I could find, was Shawnee, which has a few Native American themed names, and a company named after the Iroquois, but but it seems to be pretty slim pickings. Might just need to go full homebrew for something like that.

>>95863930
Then what the fuck am I doing all these godforsaken GBA+ courses for?!?

>>95864907
>using google
>calling anyone else gay
Wow.

>>95864922
Ahhh. I saw the fluff in TROs and Sarna articles and assumed it was an artifact of editions past.

>>95864763
Small lasers are not good against infantry, only small pulse lasers get the anti infantry bonuses. But beyond that, anon! Are you really so callous as to take away the mech pilot’s safety blanket right out of their hands!? How heartless can you be? I bet you kick puppies and drown kittens too!

>>95864964
I mean, we all know what the real firepower of the charger is. It's right in the name! The small lasers are just there so you have buttons to press on the way in.

>>95864964
>only small pulse lasers get the anti infantry bonuses.
That the literal, purpose-built anti-armour system gets a bonus vs infantry will never not be funny.

>>95865004
It's not without precedent.

Changing a mech's weapons in lore is a lot more difficult than the videogames make it appear right?

>>95865090
Just doing a 1:1 weapon swap is pretty easy, especially if the weapon isn't any bigger or heavier, and is the same type, ie: swapping a PPC for a Large Laser is the easiest class of refit that there is. But once you start adding extra weapons or swapping out weapon types, then it gets more difficult.

>>95865090
In lore you can do an engine swap in a regular facility no problem. Rules-wise that's a factory refit. So to answer your question, it's as hard as the lore needs it to be at the time.

>>95865090
Depends on what you're changing. It's easy to take a weapon out and then put another weapon back in the same place. It's less easy to add a weapon where there wasn't one previously.

>>95865090
Videogames blur the line between a battlemech and omnimech.
It's the endless tug of war between lore accuracy and player freedom.

>>95858876
>feudalism was an economic system
Feudalism as people imagine it basically never existed.
>absolutism
Also wasn't a real thing

>>95858939
That pic is my ideal lance. I love low bv games.

What is the teutoberg forest of battletech?

>>95865090
Videogames basically makes it trivial.
Lore generally its a like for like swap or something relatively simple then okay. More complicated stuff gets done at the factory.
Tabletop the basic rule is yeah you can but you don't customize shit cause you can do a bad roll and completely destroy your mech by degrading its quality rating so much you end up with nothing but scrap.

>>95865257

Well anon. It's teutoberg forest.

In reality its obviously Tukayyid.

>>95865232
>wasn't a real thing
Elaborate.

>>95865265
No it's clan wolf-in-exile
Teutoberg was a german educated by romans going back to his own people and using insider knowledge so they could fuck up the romans.
In Battletech that's Phelan Kell.

>>95853328
I chased an urbie into a level 2 pond with my undamaged Marauder, thinking I could just laser it to death with impunity because it couldnt fire an AC20 under water. It hit me with it's small laser on the center torso and caused a leak.

>>95864626
This is the first one of these I'm ok with.

>>95853328
First time I played an Enforcer - I failed a piloting roll on the first turn and my undamaged mech fell onto it's back. Thing is, the Enforcer has REALLY thin rear armour, not even enough to resist a single fall (5 points). The damage went through to the internals and caused the ammo to detonate. It basically fell over and blew up.

>>95854966
Nobody has, or ever will, come anywhere near you, you friendless virgin.

I was recently taking a closer look at the Mauler 1R, and um… well for the most part it’s fine, nothing jumps out as egregiously terrible about the mech. However, I’m just kinda trying to understand one particular decision the designers made.

Why 4 AC2s? I feel like there’s more efficient ways to get an additional 8 damage out of this assault mech. For example replacing the AC2s with 2 AC5s would’ve gotten you 10 damage at still long ranges at 8 less tons. Or better yet, replace the AC2s with a single SRM4, puts out the same amount of potential damage as the AC2s, gives the Mauler more mid-short range options, frees up 22 tons worth of space that could go towards more armor, more double heat sinks, more ammo, or additional energy weapons, or other weapons, hell 22 tons is a goddam light mech’s worth of free weight, and between the 2 LRM15s and 2 ERLLs you still have the long range support covered and won’t be missing those AC2s.

So I’m just trying to see the wisdom of the 4 AC2s

>>95865391
Good. Do you have any feedback on the others or is it a matter of taste?

>>95865465
Try and do that in SSW or MML, and you'll see why the AC2s. The Mauler is this insane balancing act that's fully crit padded, so even trying to fiddle with the guns the tiniest bit requires a bunch of changes to have everything still fit.

Worst general on /tg/, as usual. And that is saying something!

>>95865465
Match the cartoon?

>>95865496
This is the first one where it
A. Preserves the identity of the mech
B. Seems like something that would be done in universe
C. is completely a sidegrade instead of being better or worse.

>>95865465
Back when the game was first starting, Catalyst deliberately designed Kurita and Capellan Mechs to look okay but actually perform like shit on the tabletop, so that Davion and Lyran players in GMd campaigns (the original way they meant the game to be played) had mook Mechs to shoot at. The Mauler is made to look scary but actually be crap. The AC/2s aren't even the real problem, the real problem is the pathetic heat sink load.

It's another way in which Catalysts original designers were pretty racist, giving good units to the white factions, and the shit units to the minorities.

>>95865465
The AC2 serves to purposes. Firstly, it is a long range crit seeker. The "Long range" is key here, as it has the best medium range in Introtech (16), as well as a fairly generous short range (4-8 hexes). Meaning that in most long range engagements. You're on +2 while the opponent is at a +4, if he can hit you at all. The Mauler, being a long ranged fighter, punches holes with the ER Larges, sandblasts with the LRM's, before going for internal shots with a high volume of AC2 fire. Yes, it sucks ass as close range, but it's a Drac mech, you have plenty of close range line holders to supplement it.

Which brings me to the second point: the AC/2 has this bizarre effect where it absolutely enrages anyone who gets hit with it. The BB's seem to have a Chinese water torture effect where the constant plinking damage drives the other player crazy, and causes the mech/vee in question to focus down the AC2 mech, which can be useful if they fall for the bait and charge in. So if you're group consists of Princess and yourself, it's gonna suck.

>>95865535
The first point is highly debatable for most of my refits. Giving a Wolverine a PPC isn't devastating to its identity, for example. Some, there wasn't much choice but to compromise a pure identity for something that works.

The second is rather baseless because, de facto, everything I'm doing can be done in universe even if some are more plausible than others.

Third, most variants are better or worse in greater or lesser fashion. A sidegrade is subjective, so I'll just say that trying to come up with something like that consistently is difficult given the limitations in place.

>>95864962
The original rules had no special bonuses against infantry. It was straight damage to the platoon. So a small laser was 50% better against infantry versus the machine gun. Rules updates kinda made the small laser obsolete. See the first edition CityTech rules.

>>95863883
Most of the American Indians come out of the free worlds league, but I am not sure what specific planet or area if there is one.

>>95865656
Don't ask for opinions if you can't handle them.

>>95865862
I don't see how it wasn't handled. I'm permitted a response, am I not?

>>95865943
You seem defensive. Perhaps merely the limitations of text based communication.

>>95865943
He's a crybaby.

>>95865974
On the second point, perhaps, because that's a sore point for me. I'm not FASA, and even if I did have encyclopedic BT knowledge necessary creativity can still appear to be some kind of violation. But the rest I don't think so; I wasn't disagreeing entirely.

>>95860442
It's not a valid argument though. As in a monarchy those corrupt motherfuckers are often the friends, confidants, flatterers, and family of the monarch, and there is no reason to assume the monarch will even care. Imperial Germany is a pretty bad example either way as Wilhelm I was a rubber stamp for Bismarck and Wilhelm III a giant chunk of the problem.

>>95866030
Allow me to elaborate. On this refit of the Blackjack you have preserved a Blackjack having two ballistic weapons in its arms, and not substantially altered its feel or battlefield role of direct fire support. To me, this feels like what the Davions should have done for the BJ-1DC.

While yes, on the actual tabletop the BJ-1 is doing most of its work with 4 Mlas, losing one of the Mlas and the mobility of the JJs, combined with the extra ranged firepower which still has a minimum range, preserves the feel of a mech designed to sit at range and plink away at its enemies. The actual damage it can do, 25 vs 24, and the range of the AC/2 and AC/5 are similar enough that if offered the choice between this and the regular BJ-1, it would come down to a manner of preference rather than one being clearly superior or inferior to the other, which I feel is the mark of a good custom.

>>95865769
Wait, so would like an AC20 kill 20 dudes in the platoon?

>>95865774
The trinity worlds.

>>95866116
Unfortunately, achieving something like that with every 'mech simply isn't possible even if it would be ideal. Official variants and refit limitations on top of 'mech roles/identities mean compromises or deviations are inevitable in most cases.

If people want to offer suggestions I'm always willing to listen. I've taken advice on many occasions and implemented it, the Shadowhawk probably being the most community driven effort and another example of what people thought the Davions should have done. At the end of the day what I'd like to see ITT is people talking about 'mechs.

>>95866136
Yes, that's how it was.

>>95866136
Almost makes sense if you're laying down a barrage of 6" shells in a 30m area.

>>95865769
You could say the "double damage in a clear hex" is a special bonus that has stayed since CityTech

>>95866243
Fucking love that SHawk design. AC10 to punch holes, ML as backup and 2 2s to crit seek, and actually a decent amount of armor, although 8 on the head is a problem, but not an insurmountable one, and and no LPLs to make you worry about the 9 threshold in introtech.

>>95866268
Well, let's assume we have a Hetzer, with its 150mm gun with a 10 round burst.
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Autocannon/20#Crusher_SH_Cannon Ten 6" shells of HE, even if not airbursting, and just impact detonationg, should absolutely kill every unarmored infantryman in a 30m hex.

>>95862334
>it's already stupid to pretend battletech is anything much different from gundam or macross or dougram or whatever
I get what you're trying to say but that's a bit like saying there isn't much difference between VOTOMS and NGE. Mecha is a very broad category unified by featuring at least one walking robot in some way controlled by a human.

>>95866314
The rear armor is probably its biggest issue. If it falls backwards it's going to go internal. Not an uncommon problem with introtech 'mechs though

>>95866243
That's basically what I always figured the Shadow Hawk should be. The LRM5 always felt like a pointless addon especially since the artwork with it included was rarely if used. Ends up an alternate 6D but thats show biz.

>>95866398
With the low slab it has, it can neither pass the AC20 test, nor the ML backstab test. It's certainly not ideal in the armor department, but that's almost always the case for the SHawks, especially in introtech. I just like how it can actually throw some serious firepower downrange on it's own in a way that most Shadow Hawk designs struggle with. Like if I'm in another introtech mech on my way to fight a Shadow Hawk, this would certainly be the design I'd least like to see opposing me. Only complaint I'd have if I was the one driving it is the heat efficiency

>>95865553
> It's another way in which Catalysts original designers were pretty racist, giving good units to the white factions, and the shit units to the minorities.

In a weird way, it kinda explains why designers and writers keep trying to make everybody think the Shadowhawk, which “just so happens” to be a FedSun darling, is some awesome hero-mech. Despite the undeniable fact that the mech is mid at best with an admittedly sleek design.

I mean we all know it. But the lore keeps trying to tell a different story.

>>95866136
As it should be, even indirect hits from mech scale weapons should be infantry kills, heat from lasers, shockwaves/shrapnel from kinetics.

>>95866508
I've never really seen the Shad as a fedsuns mech, it has more of a merc vibe to me.

>>95866533
My favorite is still the Gamma-ray based model of large laser that just warcrimes the shit out of PBI.

>>95866536
Like all the Trio, it's ubiquitous in every state. Not really a Feddie mech. The Kuritans even get the best version of it in 3025.

>>95866547
The Wolverine has a strong connection to the Fedsuns, and the Griffin is linked to the Lyrcom. The Shad just exists, it's the everyman mech.

>>95866558
>The Wolverine has a strong connection to the Fedsuns,
To the Free Worlds League you mean.

The unseen most associated with the Fedrats are the Valkyrie, Marauder and Rifleman.

>>95866575
Oh, and the Longbow.

>>95866575
The 6M is connected to the FWL. The 6R was a staple of the Fedsuns going back to the 1st succ war when they were fielding mono battalions.

>>95866578
> Longbow.
Longbow is FWL, it’s one of the few assault Mechs that’s definitively theirs, even if the SL made it ubiquitous (like the thud and Cappellans).

Though I could’ve sworn the Warhammer was a FedSun mech.

>>95866769
GM makes the 0W in bulk back in the Succ.

>>95866769
I'm sure more Thuds march out of the lines at Hesperus than the Earthworks plant in the CC. Didn't they never even confirm the actual world the plant was on?

>>95866802
Because StarCorps was allowed to go multinational during the Star League. The Longbow is a FWL mech. Same with the Awesome and Trebuchet. Nobody else even makes Awesomes after the one single factory outside of the league got nuked in the 1st succ.

>>95866828
Oh, I ain't arguing the Awesome. That's as best bird as it gets, the child of Saint Technicron, the Savior of Savannah.

Trebs are my favorite Regulan boys too. Volume wise, Feddies have way more Longbows in 3025 IIRC. As usual, the Eagle has the most diverse production but that hits them in the volume. You are right that Starcorps is based there, and they were the first to upgrade to the Phoenix Longbow models.

>>95866837
The Longbow even predates StarCorp, it's one of the oldest designs still in use, way down there with the Warhammer and Shadow Hawk as Age of War primitives.

retcons?

>>95866856
Warhammer came from the SL looking at the Battleaxe and Hammerhands. It never had a primitive design IIRC.

Wolverine and Wasp sure join the list, though.

what the hell is this

>>95866873
Oh wow, they actually ruined it.

>>95866863
>Stingers are now the most common light mech above Wasps

I hate it. The rest is okay, but I dislike them continuing to jam in new variants not reflected in the original stories.

>The RAF-DPL appreciates your reading of this communique and would like to also inform you that the Technical Readout: 3025: Centennial Commemorative Edition will be made available in August at the revived Gen Con 3125, held in the historic Indianapolis District of the North American continent on Terra.

>>95866873
>Wings still fold but they can't make it into the space square anymore.
>No bubble cockpit.
Motherfucker.

find waldo... i mean text changed

>>95866927
>tour major variants.

>>95866927
>Another source of trouble is the Dalbon HiRez tracking system located in the Marauder's forward section, which severely limits the Operator's field of vision.

Yeah, must be real hard to see past all that... nothing.

>>95866508
>Self reply to own bait because nobody was taking your bait of racism to let you rage.
>>95866536
>it has more of a merc vibe to me.
Because it is. It's the protagonist's mech in the 1st ever BT novel and that was about the GDL, mercs.

>>95866827
I'm pretty sure it was Tikonov.

>>95866769
Whammy was StarCorps, meaning it was originally a Terran Hegemony mech. But it's ubiquitous by this point.

Personally it’s kinda funny that the writers didn’t give the FedSuns (who are space Camelot) the narrative faults as what turn of the century’s England had: that the overwhelming majority of their officer corps were aristocratic twits who originally got their position because of who their father was and not based on any particular merit. As such, these officers fall into 2 archetypes: the sheltered, preening fop that’s treating their entire tour of duty like an extended vacation. And the old commander who was a brilliant leader, 40+ years ago. now he’s set in his ways, using laughably outdated tactics, and because he is so far past the age where he should’ve retired he’s starting to get dementia and it’s affecting his judgment. But god forbid anyone say anything, that’d be rude.

>>95867004
how were they able to win the war?

>>95867004
They didn't want to step on the toes of the Lyrans.

>>95867004
You're describing the Lyrans, man. No reason to double up.

>>95866863
>>95866900
>Stinger is now most common mech in Canon but the hardest to get minis for

Adding new introtech bug variants 40 years IRL and a century and a half in universe from the game launch sure is an interesting idea but the Wasp version of the Stinger 3G is welcome i guess

>>95867112
It's almost like they realize that most people play introtech.

>>95867131
>one tiny bone thrown to the eleven introtech players
>"they realize most people play introtech"

>>95867112
Adding new variants is perfectly in line with old fluff. Remember, TRO 3025 is only made up of what the in-universe author chose to put in it, and what they chose to put in it are the most common surviving variants and a handful of unicorns as interest pieces. It has always been part of the fluff that there are who the fuck knows other variants, even if many of them never made it to the 4th succession war and might be forgotten about. Whose to say there aren't other models of Dervish between the 1S and the 6M? Later models go from 6 to 7 to 8 to 9 to 11, there could just as easily be a 2, 3, 4, or 5 that just hasn't been put in an in-universe TRO.

>>95867198
Actually if they were smart they would have intentionally skipped numbers so they could backfill rather than having it be a happy coincidence. Although I don't know if I want to be the guy who has to come up with 80 variants of the assassin to fill between the -21 and the -101

>>95867210
I'd bet the Assassin also includes a bunch of failed prototypes. Like 90-100 are almost exactly the same as 101 but they have the guns shifted around or a bad quirk related to some internal part that got fixed later, and instead of purpose building a whole new mech for each one, they just have test units that are customized to the new attempt at a production variant.

>>95867232
And then of course the actual 99 comes along and fucks it all up and that's why nobody ever bothered publishing data about the 99X or whatever that was a test unit for the CMM while they were trying to make what would become the 101 once they worked out the kinks.

>>95867004
>(who are space Camelot
Just because that's how you view it doesn't mean that's how it is.

>>95867248
I imagine the people who make these Assassin give numbers to minor variations that don't actually effect gameplay, so the Assassin 25 might have a better layout for an ammo feed but use more expensive myomer braiding or the like, and these variations don't get noted in TROs. Meanwhile most manufacturers aren't this precise with version numbers. So instead if you want to check whether that Kintaro has the boron carbide cockpit liner you need to check its serial number and see which batch it's from.

>>95867029
>>95867035
I know, but honestly I also would’ve done the Lyrans differently too. Instead you have the problem of their leadership being part of proud, largely independent houses resulting in their leaders being hard-headed and having egos too big for their own good. The result being that so much of their operational pre planning is wasted on establishing a pecking order that little time is left for actual planning and strategy, if even that as it’s not unheard of for Lyran commanders to still be getting into pissing matches over who’s in charge of what theater as the battle rages around them. The result is at best, a half-baked poorly planned out disaster and at worst a completely disorganized farce.

Hell the only reason the Steiners remain as Archon for so long is because they are the biggest and most belligerent of the whole lot.

> but that’s the FWL’s shtick
The FWL has the opposite problem, the minor houses that make up the FWL don’t actually want to commit to wars (it’s expensive and results in their stuff getting broken, why would they want to do that?) so when it comes time to discuss mustering defenses it’s a chorus of excuses, getting any house besides Marik to commit anything is like pulling teeth and even when they do commit, there’s no guarantee that they won’t ghost at the last second and be a no-show, leaving the captain general and his own house’s forces the sole defenders of the realm, outnumbered and without reinforcements because 2/3s of the forces that were promised couldn’t be bothered. Incidentally this is why the other houses of the FWL insist that a Marik has to be captain general, because if not him, then someone else would need to step up.

>>95862834
>Nobody tell him.
>the Japanese term for cartoon is anime
the split between anime and cartoon was always a Westerner thing. If you were in Japan, you could say King of the Hill or South Park is your favorite anime and no one would bat an eye.
Hell some people would agree with you even.

>>95867345
>>95867248
Well honestly, it’s a bit of an American luxury that goods produced here (or for American consumers) actually have the model designations actually correspond to something logical, like a version number or year of release. Some overseas companies will assign the model number based on “Vibes” or what marketing thinks would sound better to consumers.

>>95867431
FWL is space-HRE sometimes just as much as it's space Yugoslavia. Except Tito is weak and something of an idiot instead of being historical Tito.

>>95867674
I always assumed most mechs actually go by multiple names and the variant numbers are what the most prominent reporting authority (Star League, Comstar, RotS, Sea Fox) of the time names it. I really doubt all the competing Marauder 3R factories actually agree to call it that or give it that number. Plus over centuries of drift, they're all going to have minor, non-mechanical differences even in their own production that would matter in-universe enough to change the designation, like different levels of trim on a car that don't affect performance in any way, but let the manufacturer slap an LE, SE, XSE, or whatever on the end along with another couple thousand bucks on the price. This one has a fold down bunk bed and extra large hot seat, that one has enhanced engine safety features that studies show may reduce the likelihood of catastrophic engine detonation by up to 20% in some cases, that one purports to use special myomer configurations to achieve a smoother ride, and of course half of them are using locally sourced "equivalent" weapons in different calibers or voltages and with different performance.

>>95867738
And then of course there's reporting names
>commander, that's a Shin Bo Bao Dong, AFFC reporting name "Butterschuhe", probably block VIII or IX-
>yeah but my targeting computer says marauder, so watch out for PPCs people!

>>95867738
A bunch of the stuff that has lots of factories is because of the star league. I would bet the market research favors making Marauders just like the SLDF used to use*

*Except for the armor, the ERPPCs, the CASE, the double Heat sinks, the targeting computers, the....

>>95866863
Where is this? Is it in Snords yet?

>>95867738
I bet Vindicators don't even list the relevant data for what they are in an unencrypted way. You probably have to connect an external diagnostic computer leased from a Maskirova controlled subsidiary just to figure out why the check engine light is blinking. The only reason you even know if it has a PPC or ERPPC is because they can't hide the performance of the weapon from its pilot.

>>95867832
Goes on sale at gencon July 31st, website (and presumably PDF) up in September.

>>95867658
Americans for some reason spend a lot of time putting up barriers and saying "that's theirs, this is ours, it's different!".

Though just cause they might not have an explicit term doesn't mean you aren't suddenly launched into a different sort of community if you're looking up three caballeros fanart on pixiv. I dunno if they just call it "american anime" but there's definitely a noticeable westaboo bend when japanese get into drawing sexy pictures of goofy.

>>95867706
The FWL is every example of a conglomeration of smaller nations unified under a single flag to present a United front to their neighbors.

The FWL is as much Yugoslavia as it is the HRE, post-Roman Italy, the crusader states, Romania, the Iroquois Confederacy, and the United States of America *eagle screech*.

In this way it exemplifies all the problems, drama, and politics that come from trying to navigate both a feudal society and a parliamentary government.

>>95867858
>welcome to the Ceres Metal Industries Vindicator repair and maintenance self-service HPG address
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>>95867910
>Americans for some reason spend a lot of time putting up barriers and saying "that's theirs, this is ours, it's different!".

I have theories, and I don't mean to be rude with this observation, but it will probably sound rude. It's similar to the mostly-american cultural trend of taking personal interest in where your ancestors came from and claiming kinship with them, even though you've never been to scotland.

America is a culture that has a start point. Yes, natives have some impact on US culture, but it's relatively small. The people of the US today culturally "began" with the various waves of people turning up on the shores of the new world.

This was centuries ago. This was long enough ago that *functionally* there is no fucking difference between "we do this because it is our culture and tradition in the USA" and the same statement being made by me, here in rainy england, except that I have in my history this theoretical pile of dead englishmen that stretches back so far down into the ground that its origins are largely forgotten, lost to the mists of time.

I believe US culture likes to be able to draw a line around what is "theirs" because of some internal discomfort over "knowing" that their culture is recent/imported/"fake".

Note I don't think that your culture is fake. It takes like, three generations tops for people to become a "new" culture. I'm saying that there's this perception based entirely on what goes on in squishy fallible human brains around the comparative sizes of slices of history that makes americans go "My grandpa was from scotland so I'm scottish, och aye!" and "that's my culture, stop tarnishing it" sometimes.

To the americans who want to claim kinship with scotland, I have only one tip: you're closer than you think, most state fair food stall offerings would go down a treat in glasgow and those cunts will deep fry anything.

>>95867944
>The Coordinator
"Sang-wei, I think my tech support is an operative of the Draconis Combine."

>>95867990
Uh, Xin Sheng!

>>95867738
> I really doubt all the competing Marauder 3R factories actually agree to call it that or give it that number.
They will if they’re all owned by, or bought the license from the same company.

I mean it’s just like the automotive industry, all the Factories initially producing Marauders are all going to be owned by GM, so they are all going to call them Marauders because that’s the name on the blueprints and everyone is reading from the same ones. Likewise if you are an independent factory that bought the license to manufacture Marauders off GM, why the fuck would you change the name? The whole point of buying that very expensive license is because you know that the Marauder is going to sell! It’s popular, changing the name means losing that immediate recognition value, and now you have to convince customers that your “Heavenly Jade Python” is just as good a mech as the leading competitor and not some bootleg knock-off, when had you just kept the name “Marauder” you wouldn’t need to convince anyone, they know what they’re getting.

And given all these successor states were part of the Star League, they would’ve been privy to the official designations of all the Star league mechs and wouldn’t see much need to change them as that would just create unnecessary confusion.

>>95867990
“Oh don’t worry about that, if I recall this one turned up among some Combine spoils, I think they were trying to overwrite the original OS with a Combine system. They must’ve given up at some point, so it occasionally gets some… interesting prompts.

>>95867951
> I believe US culture likes to be able to draw a line around what is "theirs" because of some internal discomfort over "knowing" that their culture is recent/imported/"fake".
It’s more this weird extension of our own national identity and pride. We’re a nation of immigrants so keeping ties to where our forebears came from shows how our family went through the American experience, just like every other family here.

don’t ask me why we suddenly now hate the idea of immigrants coming over the border now, I don’t get it myself

>>95868036
"A Vindicator?! In the hands of the Draconis Combine, returned to the Confederation with foreign software still onboard?"

>>95868010
Look at the F16, depending on who makes it, it's a Fighting Falcon, Viper, Hawk, Lightning, Hawk again but in a different language, Storm, etc, and they all have different designations despite being licensed copies of the same thing, or literally the same thing from the same factory. The Japanese F-2, Korean KF-16, etc.

>>95868047
“Hey, if you want to have a working, 3.1-million-C-Bill mech scrapped because it has foreign markings and slightly buggy software, be my guest, but it’s going to be your name on the report. I’m sure Liao will be perfectly understanding and absolutely won’t take it out of your paycheck”

>>95868042
>Muh nation of immigrants
Bullshit. People viewed themselves as Americans first and foremost ever since the civil war. It is only since the establishment of the American Hegemony that Europeans, justly resentful of their vassal status in the onset of the Cold War, coped about Americans having no culture, unlike them who had millennia of history. This struck a cord with many in the US, who tried to latch on to an identity in the past to offset this purported lack of culture.

Also, don't pretend that immigration is some new hot button issue in the states. When there was mass migration from Ireland, many people bitterly opposed them because factory owners knew they could undercut the native population with cheaper labor. Only now it's worse since online banking allows for an ease of remittance, meaning that billions get siphoned out of the country's economy never to return

To move the conversation away from politisperging, you get to write up a new variant for the new TRO 3025. What mech do you choose, what changes do you make, and what was the in-universe thought process behind the redesign?

>>95868085
I add a Vulcan that drops the AC2 for equivalent mass in machine guns, the thought process being that an anti-infantry mech should be able to cut through multiple platoons of infantry at once.

>>95868085
A shadowhawk built around an AC-20 by the MoC frustrated by their lack of heavy and assault mechs. Faster but otherwise worse than a hunchback.

I'm pretty happy with this one.

Lost the flag tho. :c

>>95868146
Crispy

and these are like, almost almost done.

>>95868085
An Awesome that drops all the PPCs and a few heat sinks to add six SRM-6s and six tons of ammo. Small Laser in the head stays, obviously.
You can do the same thing with AC/2s if you remove all of the heat sinks, but that's just gross to do to an Awesome.

>>95868146
>>95868149
Wow!
Uh…
…that, that is…
Some paint job alright!
Definitely a real paint job…

>>95868085
The Battlemaster BLR-1L was a Capellan refit of the Battlemaster designed to increase it's performance as a command mech and support unit. To that end, it's PPC, rear facing lasers, machine guns, and 3 heatsinks were removed. In their place was an LRM 20 fed with 2 tons of ammunition, as well as a pair of flamers to ward off infantry. In combat, the 1L would use it's many ammunition bins to hold a variety of specialist munitions based on mission objectives, such as smoke rounds or inferno missiles. Combined with the Battlemaster's specialized sensors and command equipment, made them invaluable force multipliers for the beleaguered CCAF.

>>95868085
Charger with a Blazer because a Charger pilot wanted the pistol laser to be cooler.

>>95868188
10 years dick crushing machine

>>95867431
I do kinda like this version of the Lyrans constantly getting in each other’s way.

>>95867112
Technically not new variants but apocryphal variants that have been canonized. Mech-it Lube itself is a chopshop from the Crescent Hawks Inception that has just been canonized in one of the recent Shrapnel issues

>>95868188
He's clearly going for a Jackson Pollock sort of thing, only with exclusively orange and orange-adjacent.

>>95866927
>MAD-3D
>The addition of the large laser has forced the removal of a heatsink
I see they've not fixed that stupidity.
Overall seems a cut and paste of the original TRO 3025 with added typos. Bravo CGL

>>95868085
>get to write up a new variant for the new TRO 3025. What mech do you choose, what changes do you make, and what was the in-universe thought process behind the redesign?

An upside down MAD-3D (which I guess is an introtech-5L). 2 LLs in the arms and a dorsal PPC.

The rational can be to make an ammo-free design for long-range raids, but with better heat management than the -3D.

Not anything particularly exciting, but it's cute and very much within the spirit of canon variants.

A Commando that swaps the SRMs for an LRM 10, adopted by LCAF officers in the early days of the alliance with the FedSuns who were impressed by the Valkyrie and wanted a domestically-produced version.

A Clint with a large laser to make a long-range scout (that's basically straight-up better in all ways).

An Awesome that swaps the PPCs and spare heat sinks for 3 AC-10s and 3 tons of ammo. Because...fuck you, that's why.

>>95868146
>hatamoto
>no flag

Do you even know what "hatamoto" means?!

>>95868085
More MoC Shad variants, in particular I would canonise my old 3h build (large laser in place if the AC5, 3 SRM2's, 2 MG's, a Medium Laser, and either an LRM10 or SRM6), and add in a new introtech variant with the AC5 replaced by a Binary Laser.

>>95868146
>>95868149
How the fuck can you dare to show your ugly face again after the shit you said about anons dead father? Neck. Rope. Apply it to yourself you disgusting subhuman filth.

>>95868782
It means Japanese bannerman

>>95868136
Yeah, it wouldn't be particularly impressive.

>>95868085
The Catapult CPLT-L1 was a rare and short lived variant of the venerable Catapult produced by the Capellan Confederation. The L1 variant eschewed the role of long range fire support to focus on being a close range ambusher. The LRM-15s were exchanged for six Holly SRM-4s, and one of the medium lasers were exchanged for a flamer in the anticipation of the increased possibility of encountering enemy infantry while on the front lines. The armor was increased to 11 tons, mainly to protect the vulnerable arms where the majority of its firepower was concentrated. With only two tons of ammo supplying six launchers, the CPLT-L1 shared the same limited ammo endurance as the C1.
The envisioned doctrine for the mech would be for it to be hidden crouched in difficult terrain such as jungles, shallow water, or swamps and lay in wait while lighter or conventional units drew enemy forces towards it hiding place, whereupon it would unleash a crippling short range volley before using its jump jets to relocate in the face of return fire.
In light of the L1s numerous flaws, chiefly the insufficient amount of heat sinks for its concentrated short range weapons load, the fact that it would be unable to outrun or outgun most light and medium mechs after its ammo had been expended, the reliance on favorable terrain, and the ultimately the use of such an irreplaceable mech in such a risky role led to most L1s eventually being converted back to C1 standard.

>>95869240
Why 6SM SRM-4s instead of 4 SRM-6s?

>>95868085
I'd make a Charger with a PPC because that just seems like something that would exist in the Combine.
I'd also have limited production lines of downgraded Black Knight variants in both the Combine and the Fedsuns.
Finally I'd probably want a Wasp LAM factory in the FWL producing a variant unique to them, since they were characterized as being really into LAMS during the Star League Era, and it would be a neat contrast to the Stinger LAM factory in the DC. Also iirc House Marik still had a battalion that served directly under them by 3025?

>>95869174
>>95868136
It's better than an urbie so for the MoC & CC that makes it good, actually.

>>95869505
I thought it was illegal in introtech for mech mounted AC/20s to go faster than 4/6 movement

>>95869262
Matches the C1 having 8 turns of ammo, I knew the CC made an SRM-4 for the Victor, couldn't remember if they built an SRM-6.

>>95869728
it's not illegal, just immoral lol.

Out of the shad's with ac20s, I prefer it having JJs but the idea of also having those SRMs for infernos.... that's something that can REALLY punish anyone in it's threat bubble.

New thread

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