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Holding my butte! Happy fathers day weekend to all that are!

>>95870142
Thread idea: Post 'mechs that have Dad Energy.

>>95870206

>>95870206
Mackie. It's the father of mechs. Is that campy?

Banshees are dad mechs
My own dad's two favorites are shadow hawks and the Timber Wolf Prime.

>>95870206
Probably my choice for a good, solid, Dad energy.

>>95868146
>>95868149
Do you like, snort the paint and then snot-rocket it onto the mech?

>>95870571
I don’t know about “dad energy”. To me the Orion gives off a “slapdashed” energy.

Like…

Like did anyone here ever play 40k? Do you remember times when you played with someone who clearly put 0 effort into assembling the actual minis so that not only is everything unprimed, but panels weren’t actually fitted together right so there’s gaps between them or are misaligned, some pieces were glued on upside down, or backwards or both, and some were omitted altogether or came from the wrong kit, and it shows, painfully. Where the overall construction of the model is so sloppy it actually hurts you somewhere deep in your soul just looking at it?

That’s the energy the Orion gives off to me. Some cobbled together mess assembled by someone who couldn’t find a damn to give. And in a weird way it gives the mech a lovable charm. Like a shelter dog.

I still say the Hatchetman's cockpit looks way too small.

>>95870701
I actually used to use a pipette to pump my paint into anon's dad's cock and then jerk him off onto my models.

This might just be me, but I feel like the entire design philosophy of the stalker was:

“I want to be a mech pilot, but I don’t want to leave my apartment”

Thus the Stalker! Part assault mech, part Winnebago.

>>95871354
The Highlander has a nicer window. Got that executive corner office vibe.

And I always picture the King Crab having a Starship Enterprise style bridge with the pilot sitting in a captain's chair in the middle. There'd be numerous stripper poles as well.

Dunno why CGL isn't doing an 'open beta' with their books; I mean I'm quite sure there are plenty of people who will go over the book throughly and tell them 'typo here' 'this doesn't make sense' 'this contradicts the fluff' 'broken rule there' eager to show CGL how much them screwed up this time

>>95871398
Do you use a q-tip as a brush?

>>95871400
The kind of people CGL employs are physically incapable of withstanding criticism, such an effort would result in staff threatening to shoot people at conventions.

Blackjack fucking sucks, fuck u tex.

>>95871426
They look really good at tabletop distance lol. I've been fiddling a lot with my faster style (super clean takes too long). Fine details are great and all but they get washed out and muddy at a distance.

I leave my minis within sight of my desk in between painting sessions and gauge what I need to do based on that.

Is it possible you're viewing a blown up picture that's much larger than the model is irl?

>>95870935
It's a smaller better Orion. A swiss army knife of a mech. It's ugly, it's asymmetrical it's just weird but it's a damn solid mech that always pays for it self on the field also it's a Halo in regards to Alex K himself drove one.

>>95871510
I mean Atlas JFC... Not enough coffee today. It's a smaller better Atlas.

>>95866947
There is a 17" CRT monitor inside the cockpit.

>>95871398
> king Crab
> Enterprise
I don’t know, the King Crab’s cockpit gives off more of an Imperial Star Destroyer vibe to me…

Wouldn’t even surprise me if KC neurohelmets had a… particular look to them.

>>95871506
>They look really good at tabletop distance
I think you need to see an optometrist.
This isn't even trolling, You seriously appear to be quite near-sighted.

>>95871510
Oh, I know the Orion is an indestructible steel brick with a solid punch on the tabletop, still looks like a slapped together mess of a mech.

Favorite clan mech?

>>95871456
So what's the downside?

>>95871624
Destroyed ones.

>>95871687
They might ND and actually hit someone. Them intentionally hitting someone is unrealistic, but you never know where stray shots could land.

>>95871712
What if they hit one of the only two living leviathans fans?

>>95871734
Nothing of value will be lost. Leviathans should die anyway. Every dollar CGL puts towards that abortion is one fewer dollar they have to spend on Battletech. Only my game matters.

>>95871697
comstar was too weak

>>95871624
blanner

>>95871624
I like the Vixen for what it represents about clanners and their dumb dueling culture.

>>95871624
If I’m going to be honest, it’d be a 3-way split between the Coyotl, Elemental, and Freebird- I MEAN FIRE FALCON! It’s called a Fire Falcon!

I mean part of me wants to like the Nova, but it’s so expensive for what it does that I never get to use it

>>95871697
absolutely, based.
Gosh, that's hard... I'm actually going to take one that's not great or min maxed but I love the Vulture. Ask me in 20 minutes another mech.

>>95871881
Fun fact: the Mad Dog has the same pod space as the Timber Wolf, but two-thirds the armor.

>>95871962
The Vulture is the poor-man’s Timberwolf.
The “you don’t need a Timberwolf, we have a Timberwolf at home”, it’s the Timberwolf at home.

>>95871962
Ebon Jag has more pod space than both.

saying that the maddog has the same pod space as a timber isn't entirely accurate because the timby has more engine DHS.

the vulture excels at what its name implies. the lack of cooling and relatively light frame make it just a touch too fragile for standard front line duty.

whereas the timby has enough armour slab and cooling to make it a formidable frontline mech.

>>95868775
>An upside down MAD-3D (which I guess is an introtech-5L). 2 LLs in the arms and a dorsal PPC.
>The rational can be to make an ammo-free design for long-range raids, but with better heat management than the -3D.
>Not anything particularly exciting, but it's cute and very much within the spirit of canon variants.
Very kino, this looks like it might well be one of the best introtech marauders.

>>95872017
It's the best one, yeah. It also makes you a munchkin.

Use the 3R or gtfo. it's bracket fire running->standing->running is fun gameplay.

>>95871624
Whatever this thing is.

>>95872033
I'll not be lectured on ethics by a faggot who used a story of a son playing with his late father as an excuse to make a shitty sex joke. Rope.

>>95872000
Timberwolf at home is still one of the best mechs there is.

Just played the most bizarre games of BT of my life. We're playing a mercenary chaos campaign, and in the first turn of the game my Orion takes a large and medium pulse to the head, killing it. My remaining Spider has to retreat. We go right into a second game and my Caesar blows the head off a Templar with a heavy PPC on the first turn of shooting and the remaining enemy force has to retreat. Both games lasted less than an hour.

>>95871734
>troon on fag violence
One could only hoe for such an outcome.
But, shit in one hand and wish in the other...

>>95871962
It technically has half a ton more. It also makes you more of a man to pilot one.

>>95872000
The BV of the Mad Dog and Timberwolf are way too fucking close for that comparison to be valid.

>>95872102
Nothing wrong with hoping for a better world. Everyday I hope that Trump issues preemptive pardons for anyone who takes out leftists. The day that happens I'll make sure there won't be any leviathans fans left to post in this thread.

>>95872053
Well obviously, the Timberwolf was one of, if not the, best mechs the Clans ever produced. So of course the discount Timberwolf is still going to be an absolute beast.

I mean if the worst you can say about the vulture is “well it’s not a Timberwolf”, then that’s going to be a damn fine mech.

Unless you wanted a Timberwolf.

>>95872180
Pretty sure most of the Levi fans in this thread could hand you your ass Anon.

>>95871624
Ice Ferret, probably. The juxtaposition between its appearance and movement profile is funny.

>>95872111
400BV, but also 9m C-Bills cheaper, 15t lighter, 3 less sinks, and less armor overall.

>>95872372
LMFAO!

>>95872408
You do know NEA is a trained Stuntman, right?

>>95871876
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcdxwKRPM7E&pp=0gcJCf0Ao7VqN5tD

>>95872423
Which means fuck all.
If you're going to try for internet-tough then at least claim to be a marine or a black-belt.
Stuntman is pathetic, that's wrestling-fake tier.

>>95872380
That's barely anything for a clan mech, proving my point.
The "Timberwolf at home" is the Rakshasa, exactly as the design intends it to be.

>>95872423
I've been fucked by both MCA and NEA and can confirm that they are both professional trained femboy bodybuilders.

>>95872544
Proven more tough that your empty threats at least!

>>95872553
>my threats
There's more than one anon ITT you fucking retarded faggot.

>>95872557
Again, still proven tougher than empty threats.

>>95872547
> The "Timberwolf at home" is the Rakshasa, exactly as the design intends it to be.
No. The Rakshasa is a prop for the made for TV movie “Love and Lasers as Turtle Bay” and is supposed to be the love interest’s MadCat. Which would’ve been more obvious if you opened up one of the panels and saw that the whole thing is constructed of plywood, duct tape, plaster, and rope. Or if this image weren’t cropped the way it is you’d see just to the right the crane holding the whole thing up like the oversized puppet that it is.

The designation “Rakshasa” was the result of the nickname the film crew gave the prop, and some later historian getting confused and thinking this thing was an honest-to-god mech.

do i find the terrain rules for stuff like cliffs, medium terrain and unstable rubble in total warfare?

>>95872677
> Love and Lasers as Turtle Bay
God damn it! That’s supposed to read “Love and Lasers at Turtle Bay”

>>95872801
Love and Lasers as the Turtle Bays.

>>95872567
>Anon is a stuntman!
>meaning to say he can beat you up!
That is an empty threat, and a laughable one at that.

>>95872677
Some massive butthurt you got there.

>>95872838
Starring Grant Coalpepper as Captain Ricard Tracer, and Janet Xiaong as Princess Falcon Fang of Clan Cloud Puma.

Suffice to say, It didn’t do very well when it first aired and it hasn’t exactly aged well either. Probably would’ve been completely forgotten had that damn mech prop not gotten confused as a real IS mech.

>>95872927
Just look at that hard-angled thing and tell me that it doesn’t look more like a cheap movie prop than an actual mech.

>>95873102
>art
Who fucking cares?
This is about stats, Msd Dog is barely different than Timberwolf, Rakshasa is the true cheap knockoff.

>>95872423
>Get into fight with NEA, trained stuntman
>NEA sets himself on fire and jumps off the roof of a 5 story building
Interesting fighting style.

What was this mech called again?

>>95873188
>thinking that there can be only 1 knock off

>>95873208
Murphy.

>>95872423
I will allow that NEA is one of those libs that actually own and trains with guns. I don't think it's getting beat up you'd need to worry about.

But Origins is next week, so why not go there and start a fight with the guy yourselves if you think you can take him? I mean, you know where he's going to be.

>>95872567
NTA, but by what metric? A stuntmans job is to be the guy who gets hurt instead of someone more important if things go wrong, it's not a thing that qualifies someone as tough or fighting capable, about the most impressive thing a stuntman does is get covered in rags and fire retardant gel to be set on fire and walk around for a few seconds before getting put out, there are fat stuntment.

>>95873208
Wolverine IIc

>>95873368
this makes the clanner seeth and cry and shit their pants

>>95873365
I mean yeah, but his main job was literally the "fighting" part. You have to know how to fight for real before you can pull it back under control and safely.

>>95873347
>so why not go there and start a fight with the guy yourselves if you think you can take him?
NTA, but if I was, my answer would be because I'm not a 13 year old with insecurity issues about my manhood.

>>95873404
>You have to know how to fight for real before you can pull it back under control and safely.
That's just plain wrong.

>>95873404
And how would anyone but NEA himself know the specifics of this?
You're implying a threat of violence while pretending to be a third party
That's sad and pathetic.

Are designs with ONLY missiles a bad idea? Should all mechs have at least some direct-fire weaponry?

>>95873208
Hellhound/conjurer/Wolverine IIC/Shut up! Shut your filthy whore mouth! We don’t talk about them! REEEEEE!

>>95872871
Proven able to take punishment, much more than we can say for your ass.

>>95873205
>"They can't touch you if you are ON FIRE!"

>>95873365
>NTA, but by what metric?
By definition getting beat up for money.

>>95873454
He's talked about choreographing and performing fights before, genius. If you hang around here the regulars talk about things.

>>95873460
Mechs shouldn't really have any non energy weapons regardless. Any sort of weapon that includes ammo that can auto-kill your Mech on a lucky hit isn't worth taking. Ballistic or missile doesn't matter. Ammo = don't take.

>>95873463
>getting beat up for money.
That doesn't make tough, that makes stupid.
>>95873483
>choreograph a fight
Hilariously sad that you think this means you can actually fight. This is Seagal tier sad.

>>95873489
Tell me you’re new to Battletech without telling me you’re new to Battletech.

>>95873460
Strictly speaking, SRMs are direct-fire weapons.

But having only cluster weapons on a mech may feel… a tad vulnerable as it has no consistent damage-dealers, even the longbow has a pair of emergency lasers on hand.

But if you have a mech with LRMs for dealing with stuff at the far-end of the map, and SRMs for dealing with enemies at close range, that can work. Not sure how effectively, but it can work.

>>95873561
>thinks being an oldfag is a good thing

So basically, mechs are the knights
Tanks are the men-at-arms and heavy infantry
LRMs and artillery are the archers
And infantry are the peasant conscripts and disposable mercenaries

>>95873602
1) It does usually mean that they’ve learned a thing or two.

2) I’ve not even been playing Battletech for all that long and even I’ve figured out that missiles, machine guns, and Autocannons have tactical merits worth the small risk of an ammo detonation.

>>95870296
>Official RX-78-02
>60 Ton Heavy 'Mech
>top speed at 165 km/h with appropriate JJs(equivalent to 11/17/11)
>Armor type:Luna Titanium, notable for being to impervious or near impervious to all forms of damage(closest BT equivalent: Ferro-Lamellor)
>Armaments include:
>2 MGs(Vulcan Cannons)
>1 PPC(custom Beam Rifle/particle cannon)
>Two 'Mech Vibroblade(closest equivalent to Beam Sabers, sizes up for debate)
>Large Shield
>SRM-4 with Inferno rounds by default(Super Napalm)

Yeah I don't think an Axeman is winning this one.

Best Catapult variant? Favourite Catapult variant?

>>95873659
Why are you so insistent on trying to turn Battletech into gundam?

>>95873490
He used to teach actors gun safety. I don't know if he can fight, but he should know how to use a gun. He also posted about shooting a racoon that got into his house once.

>>95873661
Favorites the K5, but that's just cause I like MRMs. It's pretty solid in a C3 lance.

>>95873779
NTA, but I've shout thousands of ground squirrels, so if you're going to fear anyone ITT it should be me.
Picrelated.

>>95873779
So NEA, you're valk now? Going to bring a gun to con to settle a /btg/ dispute?

>>95873779
NEA knows swords too. He's done instruction on that.

That said, let's stop this my dad can beat up your dad tier argument.

I still need the sculpt year on the Jumping Panther for my mini catalog. Does anybody have that info?

>>95874019
Let's not get into talking about rural life again or we'll get warnings, again.

>>95874089
Who got warnings? Not me.
Must be a manic problem.

>>95874080
I've never seen a rampage sclup.

>>95874151
It's kinda overscaled but true to the art.

>>95874174
neat thanks anon!

>>95874089
Oh yeah, Agromech Simulator, AKA Lightyear Frontier got a major update recently!

>>95872677
>rakshasa
>leopard print instead of tiger stripes

Absolutely dezgra.

>>95872103
Timber Wolf was originally designed with quarter-ton accounting, giving it an extra half-ton (from the Endo and IIRC the XL engine).

>>95874080
I thought my excel sheet was autistic but this is a new level

>>95874025
Do you think NEA has even posted in this thread? Do you think anyone you've talked to is NEA? Is the NEA in the thread with us right now?

Or, easier explanation. You're a schizo, and you need to take your meds.

>>95874584
True, but consider this. How else am I supposed to find something I want to assemble and paint with over 2k minis?

>Still in the process of adding 400+ minis I've bought since Jan.
Lotta good deals this year.

>>95874644
No self respecting human would suck NEA's dick that hard, especially in absentia, so yeah you're obviously third-person referring to yourself and I'm calling you out on it.
You're pathetic.

Would there have been any scenario that the WoB actually won? Don't attack the Great Houses and focus on the Clans instead?

>>95874742
That would have been my play. Use the MD's for their original purpose of scouring the Kluster. Also maybe take a little more time to finish developing enough bloodhouse viruses to wipe most of them from existence without a fight.The biggest issue was Fochstar standing against them with their fleet and mechs before Case White and the AMC making their own little shit wars.

Somehow roping Fochtstar into Serpent II, would be my top priority. Forget the Fedcom coming apart and the Star League dying. I bet you could get the Dracs and Fochtstar to get onboard with raping the bears right out of the IS. Get VSD onboard enough and he could probably even wrangle support from his siblings and the Kell Hounds.

>>95874702
Maybe we like him more than you.

Meds. Now.

>>95874672
>lotta good deals this year
I just snagged a complete unseen warhammer iic for 20 bucks

>>95873768
I'm not, I just found >>95870296 silly.
If anything, why are you so bothered by Gundam being mentioned at all?

>>95874702
Is it really that hard to fathom that /btg/ has respect and admiration for someone who does nothing but improve our community in a massive and measurable way and has been doing so, in these very threads, for years and years and years now? Especially when compared to some random shitter who's just trolling without contributing even the tiniest bit?

>>95874838
Gundam is anime
Anime is weebshit
Weebshit doesn't belong is western media like Battletech. Battletech needs it wants nothing from any anime ever. Fuck off.

>>95874844
>respect and admiration for someone
Pretty fucking gay of you. Nobody here deserves respect, and if that's what you're here to give your better off killing yourself on R*ddit with the other trannies. You don't belong here.

>>95874835
Awesome. I've only got two or three myself.

>>95874866
>Battletech. Battletech needs it wants nothing from any anime ever. Fuck off.
Exactly this, Battletech should purge all weeb shit out of the game. CGL has thought up of plenty original, superior Western mech designs, we don't need weeb leftovers anymore.
The Marauder, Warhammer, Phoenix Hawk, Stinger, Wasp, Archer, Crusader, Rifleman, Locust, Shadow Hawk, Griffin, Wolverine, Scorpion, Behemoth, etc. etc. should be thrown out of the game and no longer supported.
It's time we take our game back.

>>95874866
>Weebshit doesn't belong is western media like Battletech.
>>95874973
So I'm guessing your Boyfriend is NOT a MechWarrior?

>>95874976
>So I'm guessing your Boyfriend is NOT a MechWarrior?
Mechs are weebshit and need to go too, Herb was right when he tried to cut down Mechs into tanks. Tanks are superior Western machines.

>>95874973
I mean, this is unironically the right thing to do, though.

Plus can you imagine how many grogs would quit? I don't want anyone who was playing before 2010 to be in this game, and this would go a long way towards making that possible.

>>95874996
>Tanks are superior Western machines.
Tanks are as cumbersome and outdated as the horse mounted Knights of old!
DRONES ARE THE FUTURE OF WARFARE!!!

>>95874998
Who said I wasn't being unironic, faggot?
Total weeb death, throw away all of 3025, it's completely filled with weebshit.
We don't need introtech weeb garbage ruining the game anymore, ilClan and it's entirely western made mechs is real Battletech.

>>95874844
>who does nothing but improve our community in a massive and measurable way
He hangs out with bottom and encourages him posting his body here by the validation of his companionship without any condemnation for his behaviour.
He also off-topic posts that leviathans shit, and in at least a year I have not seen a single thing related to battletech come from him except infrequently bringing up shit that happened a long time ago.
The guy is firmly in "hat have you done for us lately?" territory.
>>95874822
And who exactly am I beyond some anon calling you out for your pathetic display ITT?

>>95875027
>And who exactly am I beyond some anon calling you out for your pathetic display ITT?
a faggot

>>95874742
>>95874779
The problems with the WoB "winning" come from their narrative role of being the Bad Guys to the Goons and Fochstar. I always entertained the notion from reading Field Manual: Comstar that they were supposed to be disposed of in a neat and protagonist-like way by the Good Guys: the Jihad narratively doesn't make much sense and exist exclusively to make the Dark Age possible.
If we want to give a golden ending to the WoB you'll need to have the Second Star League to endure (so they can join and start working their way to control it from the shadows), the Clan plot armour to disappear so they can spearhead a Serpent II with all the industrial might of the IS on a single objective, send the Manei Domini on their suicide voyage to destroy the Homeworlds. This requires the Goons and Foch to die and Comstar to be absorbed.
I guess the endgame would be the Clans dead, a second Star League in a pseudo-federation form controlled by the WoBbies through shadowy means and that's it. Beats the IlClan, methinks.

>>95872180
Can't wait to hear about another Davionman only this time Valk shoots them in self defence

>>95874844
>for someone who does nothing but improve our community in a massive and measurable way

NEA hasn't done anything like that in years. By his own admission he'd rather, and he already has, wash his hands of the btg than post here but boredom seems to bring him back

>>95875027
>he doesn't hate the same people we do so he must be driven out
Nigger you you have any idea how insane you sound? Fuck, I don't even hate bottom that much. I just wish he'd post no body shots, but the jannies remove them and ban him when he does, so I don't care that much. I just scroll past the pics, and ignore the post if the name field says bottom. I don't see why that's so difficult.
>The guy is firmly in "hat have you done for us lately?" territory.
Well, the last fun thing he tried to do for btg got shitposted to death by people mad about periphery unit production. And people shitposted the batreps. And people shitposted trying to help newbs. Looking back, I don't think the namefag is the problem here. I think the problem is terminally online and angry people like you who are bent on ruining any community they can reach.

>>95875102
I mean, why the fuck would anyone who's not a terminally online contrarian or a weirdo would want to come back here to post in /btg/ after the threads went to shit. The fact that /btg/ is still somehow the best place to talk about BattleTech says alot about how bad it is to just discuss the shit you like on the internet for a long time now.

>>95875164
>The fact that /btg/ is still somehow the best place to talk about BattleTech
I mean, you kind of answer your own question there. If there was a better place, <I> sure as fuck wouldn't still be here. But there isn't, so I come here, even though these threads have gone to shit and are riddled with trolls like >>95875027

>>95875181
Why the fuck do like companies feel the need to take over fan forums?

I kinda get when something similar happened with most Wheel of Time spots when Amazon launched their TV show. They installed new mods and banned all negative discussion of the TV show (though I think that was a retarded decision). But CGL is just...policing wrongthink and banning direct discussion of printing?

Like, why?

>>95875181
>>95875102
To be fair, bottom is a cancerous little shit whom has openly admitted he's only here to degrade the general and drag it down. Plus, he posted some pretty heinous stuff about anons recently deceased father last thread. He shouldn't be here and deserves a permaban.
>NEA
Guys good, if very tired with the shitposters and trolls by this point, and I'm lucky to be old enough to remember the glory days when we also had the likes of Urbiepope, Warshipanon, and a few others, and we got regular batreps from NEA. Times where a lot better but that was before the monkeys paw wush of Battletech getting revived and becoming popular again was made, and we git the influx of /leftypol/ culture war retards, and the 40kg refugees and their entourage of retards and trolls.
In a way, I miss when we where largely unknown and the community a small and largely isolated part of the board.

>>95875343
Yes Kraken, we know you're obsessed with bottom and pine for the "glory days of btg"

Ended up making this. Was making size comparisons for Lancer and threw in a Marauder.

What do you guys consider to be the minimum back armor for a medium or heavier mech? Enough to survive falling on its back? Or is there a certain damage threshold?

>>95875871
Depends on the era. Many, many 'mechs in introtech make do with less than ideal back armor. Acceptable back armor becomes non-negotiable in eras with better mobility.

Rule of thumb: should be able to take a back fall for its weight or a mlas hit, with the CT able to take a llas hit ideally but the other two still apply. Clantech screws this up because their mlas does almost as much damage as a IS large laser, but even with weight saving tech having ideal back armor isn't a given.

Depending on its role you can also get away with less. It's especially important for brawlers or skirmishers, less so for others.

>>95875928
I think for later eras, the prevalence of jumping mechs with pulse lasers means you need a minimum of 6 rear armor on the LT/RT and 9 on the CT. But at a certain point every point of armor on the rear is one less point on the front, where most of the time you will be shot from.

is the Night Gyr D the most easymode braindead mech?

Saturday came and went. The lot of you chose to argue and bicker instead of posting cat pics. See what it's gotten you for this thread? You reap the fruit of the seeds you sow.

>>95875955
nah that's the hellstar

Don't mind me just the coolest unit in the game coming through

>>95875871
>>95875928
>>95875950
Depends on the mech, and what it has. I haven't done exhaustive research on this, and there are surely exceptions, but most mechs which have ammo weapons tend to keep the ammo in the torso. For these mechs, chewing through the rear armor is the fastest way to take them down, most mechs have 2-5x as much frontal armor as rear armor, and even if you don't get an instant win ammo crit or triple crit to the fusion engine, you're still bypassing all the frontal armor to start chewing into the internal structure, and most mechs short of a griffin tend to care if they've lost a torso, if only because it starts concentrating more damage towards the CT.

Semi related, but now that I've been playing battletech more, I've noticed a tendency for people be unable to resist going for a backstab even when it's not the right move. Last time I played I had a mech with a badly shot up left side, the front torso armor only had 3 pips left, the left arm had been removed, and the left leg was down to internal structure while my rear armor was fully intact. My opponent ran to get his mech into the rear table, when in retrospect he could have walked and used the left side hit table. It ended up not mattering because the dice didn't let him get any hits, but I know I've also felt the knee jerk reaction to always go for a backstab when possible, even if that exposes your mech to the same.

Does the Flashman have the highest ratio of rear to frontal armor? I always considered the Victor to be one of the most symmetrical mechs, which makes sense because it's going to be jumping into the middle of enemy formations, but that has 20/10 side torso armor and 30/15 CT armor. Meanwhile the Flashman has 22/10 side torso armor and 25/16 CT armor which seems insane, that has to be an intentional gimp.

>>95875963
There has been a severe lack of soldiering around here!

>>95876033
>Semi related, but now that I've been playing battletech more, I've noticed a tendency for people be unable to resist going for a backstab even when it's not the right move

This happens for head kicks too. Even Princess does it, one of the more realistic parts of her.

>>95876066
Awesome has 30/19 which is about the same.

>>95876033
Dark Souls PVP 101: if you're lining up a backstab, someone else is too. Covering fire people!

>>95875359
>Kraken
Who?

Instead of pure sheet autism, there should be a social/roleplaying element like Rouge Trader/DnD in order to make Battletech more accessible to women and transsexuals

>>95876381
We have mechwarrior for that.

>>95876416
Imagine if mechwarrior was good though?

>>95875028
You're confusing anon for NEA, MCA and bottom.

>>95874867
Its the only one I've found for cheap. Got similar luck with a Marauder IIc last year. What really sucks is I had all these when I was younger and got rid of them when everyone around me stopped playing 20 years ago.

>>95876066
Flashbulb is a 5/8 heavy cav its supposed to get in the thick of it with the jumpers. The large lasers make everyone think its a skirmishes but man you throw that thing in the mix and it'll power through. I always give it a wolverine or nightsky buddy.

>>95875102
>I think the problem is terminally online and angry people like you who are bent on ruining any community they can reach.
Amen!

So…is it “official” canon that cockpits are not placed behind the canopies and are securely buried in an armored capsule within the hull? Are there any designs which seek to obfuscate the position of the cockpit, ie, in a thigh, shoulder, etc, or are limitations in stabilizers make it so that it’s only feasible to place it somewhere close to it’s balance center?

Finally, my unseen Ostscout arrived, one of the rarest of the unseens in the UK. Its joining the box of Unseens till I assign it to a unit. Hoping to grab a Thud soon as well. I think im only missing the rest of the Ost series, the LAM's, Marauder, Marauder IIC, Warhammer IIC, Pixie IIC, Shad IIC, Griffin IIC, and the Scorpion mech-wise now.

>>95875359
Kek, thats not me. Surprisingly there might be more than one oldfag whom also hates that vile sack of shit. Especially after he used anons post about memories with his dead father to make a gay joke.

>>95877105
>thats not me

Sure buddy, I'll believe you

>>95876381
You say that as if autistic, male-brained AGP transbians aren't a significant chunk of the modern player base already.

>>95875963
This picture is giving me a stroke.

>>95875955
The real question is, do you pronounce it Night Jai-er or Night Gear?

>>95877286
Night Grrrr

>>95877286
Night Queer

>>95873659
For what it's worth, that's actually supposed to be the Zeta Gundam rather than the original.

>>95877404
I thought it was Hyaku Shiki for some reason.

>>95877432
The way they drew the head does kinda look closer to that weird upgraded version of it they keep shilling in SRW for some reason.

stat it

>>95877105
You're just mad that you never got fucked by anon's dad before he died.

>>95875343
>bottom is a cancerous little shit whom has openly admitted he's only here to degrade the general and drag it down

ówò?

I post minis and answer people's questions? seems more constructive than whatever took place ITT.

>>95877735
fuck off faggot

>>95877735

Which Ghost Bear galaxies use the Dominion logo vs the standard logo?

>>95877656
Steiner/10

So, sell me on the Battlefield Support Deck.

Why should I use this thing over just fielding my infantry and combat vehicles as normal units (which seem to be more effective when ran this way). The only thing that seems like you getting out of the deck is off map artillery, and a way to utilize air strikes without touching the aerospace rules.

>>95877772
>>95877866
he's an attention whore, he's doing this because he gets (You)s. Stop giving him attention.

>>95877656
Nuclear Option?

So in light of what happened yesterday with the US Army, which faction has the best parades?

>>95878121
Probably Steiners, because Polka.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHDpO4QZrzs

>>95878145
Was thinking that as well since their mechs are such big size and all, plus one of them has its own cigar!

Shrapnel 12 uploaded, both in pdf and epub formats.

Dont give money to CGL...

>>95878440
Thank you.

>>95878121

>>95878466
You welcome Anon...

I've never done a mech before, but I saw a cheap blind box at a store while travelling today so I picked it up. What would be a fun scheme to paint it as?

>>95878440
Good looking anon.
>>95878722
lore correct or just for fun?

>>95878722
I did industrial orange

I don’t recommend it.

>>95877772
>>95877866
This >>95878023 he's vile filth, but he lives off of attention. Just ignore him every time he posts. Leave them unresponded too. Let him starve.

>>95878121
Probably not St Fiacre, not after the damage they took in the match. I doubt they have much left. Probably had to sell their cheerleaders, band, and all their gear, just to cover the repair bill. What poor peasants ohohohoho

>>95878745
>lore correct or just for fun?
Yes, if possible

>>95878752
I hear they have invested in getting more of pic related?

>>95878797
could paint to match mech on the box. its distinctive enough on its own.

>>95878026
yes

>>95878752
All damage was simulated except for fall damage.

>>95878750
looks alright could dry brush or edge highlight with some yellow though unless you did and my monitor is screwing up the pic

>>95878750
Yeah that looks fine, like a solid 5/10, probably looks better in person.

>>95878750
Jesus Christ! Anon! Put a spoiler on that thing or something! I nearly went blind looking at it it’s so damn bright!

>>95878803
>bimboptsd.wav

>>95879082
>>95879104

Oh, I’m not recommending the color choice because I think they’ll come out bad. (Here’s a Caesar in the same color but with a little better lighting to show my point) but it’s so much more of a chore to get those bright, complex colors that it can get exhausting if you have to paint more than a handful of them. Especially if you’re starting with a black primer like me.

This here, for example, needed a base coat of red-orange, a dry brush of orange, and a dry-dry brush of bright orange on top of all that.

It’s a lot of work to get it just right, and if the paint has to be just the right thickness because too thin you can’t dry brush it, and too thick and you might lose details under the layers. And then if you have to go back and do touch-ups, what layer do you do the touch ups in? Get it wrong and it’s going to be obvious.

That’s why for the BIG forces I recommend simpler to achieve colors. Ideally ones where it’s a base and a single dry brush layer. Or if it’s more complex, it’s relegated to smaller areas of the mini (like cockpit jeweling).

>>95879271
What is it about all the 40k folks that they always start with a black primer instead of standard gray? There's a reason we use gray on cars and everything else. Is it because if you fail to fully basecoat you get natural shadows like model preshading or something?

>>95877966
Everyone uses the Dominion logo after the formal formation of the Dominion in 3074.

>>95877105
There was never an original Griffin IIC made.

>themoreyouknow.hpg

>>95875955
I love the new-sculpt Night Gyr model but the way they did the torso LRMs on the D triggers my autism

>>95878013
Lets you bring inf and convees without feeling like a cheaty bastard by having activation sinks. I've played 7-8 games with the support asset rules, and tons of campaign games using normal convee and infantry rules, and I'm fine with basically all the support rules except for how they nerf movement for the support assets. Just give em their full movement profile and you avoid most of the cancer and tedious bookkeeping that comes from standard rules.

If you actually enjoy the conventional infantry and vehicle rules, then more power to you, but they still tend to be activation sinks, and the support asset rules fix that.

>>95878752
If you ignore him then he'll simply post something outrageous enough people will respond so there's really no way to win with bottom

>>95879901
Using black primer makes no sense if you're going to go for full-coverage opaque base layers for your colors which most do, so in a way I agree with you, but if you're going to use a slapchop drybrush+glaze overtop of that black basecoat then black is the most sensible choice, unless you're doing yellows.

>>95879946
>there's really no way to win
There is but it requires one of us to encounter him IRL.

>>95879955
Most, if not all of, btg are all-talk. There are no more Davionman here.

>>95879946
Literally just ignore, and report whenever you can. It will work, eventually.

>>95879984
>It will work, eventually.

Or it'll just make the jannies turn the over way when he does something actually ban-worthy. But I like your optimism

>>95879955
This is a touch too far. I wouldn't normally say anything, but this is getting ridiculous. I know I've met at least 4~ of the posters ITT, and I'm fairly certain all would vouch for me being a relatively normal and well mannered person to interact with.

My involvement in the thread is at a bare minimum, I post mechs and answers to rule questions. I give my 2 cents for painting. Your near constant shitposting about me is both laughable and tiresome.

Find something better to talk about.

>>95880208
You posting your fat ugly body was going too far, this is a balanced reaction, it's your own fault for being an insufferable degen, thanks for posting mechs so we'll know who you are if we meet.
If you can't handle heat, stay away from mechs.

>>95880208
>Erm, threatening to meet up with me is TOO FAR
t. fag who talked about having sex with a guy's recently dead father.
lmao. Also, don't pretend that you just come in here to talk mechs. You repeatedly post cropped hentai and nudes in an attempt to thirstpost. This is down right revisionist.

>>95880230
>>95880245
what did we just fucking say about taking bait from attention whores?

>>95880265
You're not the boss of me, asshole.

>>95880208
>Find something better to talk about.
No, and you can't make us.

>>95880208
>Find something better to talk about.
Not until you and every other faggot, tranny, leftist, and minority plaguing the Battletech fan base is dead and your bodies are burnt as the toxic hazard you are. Battletech is for straight white Christian rural biological cis men who make at least 6 figures, stand 6 feet tall, and have big dicks and own guns and tax-free land. Nobody else is welcome.

If you want to be some queerosexual you can fuck off to some socialist country like Canada, and we'll just put you to death later once we make your country a new state.

>>95879271
ive posted these before but i primed pink and they came out very nice imo if you try orange again you may want to give it a go as it saved me alot of time

>>95880300
>plaguing the Battletech fan base
Fuck that, I want them expunged from every fucking thing until they can only talk about being fags in hidden places and don't dare reveal it to the world, when the 1-3% of the population that has been brainwashed and traumatized into this degeneracy is back to being 0.1-0.3% of the population and not a single trace of it is to be found in any media except history books reflecting back on the times of trouble.

what's the consensus on more or less apocryphal mechs like the jester

>>95879901
> Is it because if you fail to fully basecoat you get natural shadows like model preshading or something?
Well, yeah that is a handy little trick/cheat to employ, especially when you’ve got a billion or so horde minis to paint and actually want them to not look like shit.

But it’s also essential when painting metal surfaces. Metal paint ends up looking super fake when painted onto a bright surface, but when painted onto dark, especially black, surfaces the metal paint actually succeeds in making the thing being painted look metallic.

Plus white primer just creates the opposite effect where now dark paints need layers to keep the bright primer from showing through.

>>95880343
But anon, what you're advocating is total genocide of everyone who isn't cis.

>>95880504
The good of the many over the evil of the few.

>>95880245

>>95880555
Clean your fucking room you degenerate whore.

>>95880789
Look at those sausage fingers you can barley see the joints

How does bay conversion work for dropships? f my dudes have an Excalibur and we dont need the mech bay deck how many aerospace bays can we fit in it? Pic only related because this is 100% what my tankers dress uniform would be

>>95880826
Well, it's apparently not allowed to scold bottom for doing his usual trolling, since the jannies deleted the post.

>>95880843
They deleted his shit too I think they just want to delete everything related to his attention whoring. Its just a waiting game he isnt welcome with friendly or even the niche internet community related to his hobby only a matter of time

>>95880854
I mean, he DOES on occasion do on-topic posting, I even liked his painting style before he decided to make everything all muddy and blurred. He just also does too much thirst posting and attention whoring.

>>95880843
You posted his face dumbass, that's doxxing.

>>95880868
TBF, I made the water-spritz image from an image that he himself posted last summer, but sure, I guess.

>>95880868
HE posted his face along with everything else multiple times here. If he wanted privacy he wouldnt do that shit. Hes a fag in the maritime provinces he craves attention.

>>95880789
>>95880843
Oh good, a face to look out for.
>>95880868
It's not doxxing if the dumbfuck in question posted his own face first.

I want a vehicle with an infantry bay and C3M. I have no fucking idea how the Tenmaku nonsense works, so my options are Bolla B or Morningstar. Which one would you guys go with? I like the weapons on the Bolla better, but the C3S is wasted space and it can't use the stealth at the same time as the C3M so it feels like it's trying to do three jobs at once. Morningstar has AC10 and a tarcomp but that feels a bit underwhelming for fire support.

>>95880974
Load precision autocannon ammo and enjoy your -3(conditionally)

What’s your favorite propaganda poster from a star nation?

>>95880868
>posting a persons face is doxxing them

HEY COMBINE IDIOTS

>>95880230
>>95880245
We know he's disgusting. We know he's a degenerate scumbag whom had made multiple sexual jokes or comments about anons dead father.
Do
Not
React
No matter what it posts, ignore it. If you keep feeding it, it will keep returning. The only solution is to starve it, and it will get more outrageous for a time, buy eventually either the mods will step in or it will finally starve and leave.

>>95880339
You've done an amazing job on these anon, that orange is really vibrant. Pink base did you say? I'll try that next time I do orange.

In light of my new Ostscout, I've been eondering what are anons favourite unseen mechs? If you had to pick one of the sculpts, which and why?

>>95881588
>No matter what it posts, ignore it.
Sad as it is to say, we should consider volunteering for jannie work so we could have somebody in charge somewhere in the future that wouldn't allow or encourage this type of activity

>>95881599
I have considered it, I'll admit. Just to purge him and Nicedeamonette/Manic

>>95881588
pink is your base coat followed by orange after that i used a orange contrast paint to get in the nooks and crannies than touched up the panels with a repeat of orange and finished with dry brushing yellow

>>95881566
Wtf is an "enif" and why would the Dracs give a shit about them? Are they a religion that doesn't venerate thr Coordinator?

>>95873661
I really enjoy the C4 and the C4C variant but I have no idea which one varient is the best.

>>95881803
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Enif

>>95882071
What relation does that have to the "meme"?

>>95882144
it's just slop just ignore it.

I'm just getting into this game and I'm having a hard time deciding how to paint my minis. I'm torn between blue, red, grey, and a military green. I'm not worrying about canon color schemes. Would it be okay to just have a mishmash of colors and not have them be uniform? If I was making a merc company is that kosher?

>>95882175

>>95882175
>>95882181

Whatever happened to Blakist GF?

>>95882398
I keep reporting his posts until he stopped making them. Like NEAs "battle reports" nothing of value was lost.

>>95882175
There's at least a couple of canon merc commands that lack uniform color scheme, either because they let their pilots paint their mechs as they see fit, or because they're formed from people recruited for different units that never repainted their mechs.

>>95882408
You're a faggot if true.

Doing a teaching game tonight. I'm taking a Shadow Hawk and giving my student/opponent choices of a Wolverine, Griffin, and Hunchback. He picks two and i take whatever he doesnt in addition to my Shadow Hawk. This way he gets to see all the basic types of weapons no matter what and doesn't get saddled with the Shad in his first game.

>>95882629
I'd probably give them the option of the Vindicator over Hunchie just because the Vindicator also has jump jets and a variety of weapon systems so makes a better learner.

>>95882655
I want to teach the four basic roles of Skirmisher, Brawler, Sniper, and Juggernaut, and the Hunchback covers Juggernaut. Plus we want the dramatic experience of it blowing off entire legs.

>>95871624
I really like the Stormcrow and it seems to find its way into a lot of different paint jobs I do. I think this one here is like my 4th or 5th. Lately I’m an even bigger fan of the Carrion Crow because you get a little more speed and some very good protection on such a light frame thanks to ferro-lam armor. Wish there were different sculpts out there for the different configs, but perhaps it’s just an incentive for me to finally learn some 3D modeling so I can make my own.

>>95872550
Then I'll kill both MCA and NEA. I will kill everyone who has ever fucked you, and then I will have you all to myself. How does that sound?

>>95882175
You can paint your toys however you want, it doesn't fucking matter.
>kosher
Fucking disgusting

>>95882175
I will warn you that red is much harder to paint than blue, green, or gray.

>>95882408
I dunno what's worse, you being a joyless cunt, or the jannies punishing OC and batreps because some sperg spams the report button every time he sees it. I wonder if the 40Kfags have to put up with this too?

>>95883132
>kosher
Come to think of it what's the bet Blakist GF poster was report spammed because he accidentally gave her a Jewish name? Wouldn't surprise me.

>>95876033
On the other hand, being in the left side arc means your opponent can probably torso twist their arm and torso guns onto you, but in the rear arc the best they can manage is one of their two arms. Even if the backstab is the less optimal choice for killing the mech immediately, if it means you preserve more armor by avoiding return fire it may be worth it.

>>95883157
I doubt it was actually the jannies. I have reported some truely abhorrent posts here and never seen any actions taken

>>95883316
its because the trannies team up on discord to sign up to be jannies, they've been at this for years now. It goes mostly unnoticed to people with lives outside of terminal tranny internet posting

Ok /btg/ I need help and hopefully there are some grogs here.

I've starting playing Battletech mostly casually, and I have an eclectic collection of mechs in the form of gifts, 3D prints, and random shit I found. I play FWL mostly and have had fun memeing with TAG and SGLRMs and such.

I'm going to be doing my first tournament and while its mostly for fun and I don't super care about going the full distance, I also don't want to embarrassingly flop.

The rules of the tournament is 4 Battlemechs, 6000BV, Clan Invasion Era, no more than 2 difference between gunnery and piloting. And I'll be doing a FWL force.

So my random collection of mechs is so far:

Wasp
Locust
Shadow Hawk
Griffin
BattleMaster
Goliath
Anvil
Hammer
Buccaneer
Scorpion
Highlander
Chameleon
Awesome
Ostroc
Tarantula
Archer
Warhammer

And I might be getting that pack that has the Hermes II, Cicada, Vulcan, Clint in it.

I am worried that I'm missing what seem to be staples like the Thud or Wraith. Given the restrictions listed, is there a well-balanced take-all comers lance I can make out of this?

>>95883316
Jannies are not fit to lick your jake sir!

>>95883598

PURPLE FUCKING BIRD BROTHER!

As a general rule, you should avoid sinking too much into pilot skill, as weight of metal will often carry the difference to victory. You don't need to worry about specific mechs. Unless the tournament is being run by some wolfnet thundercunts, battletech allows you to proxy anything you want. But, if you want to stick with what minis you have, the following is pretty solid:
Locust 3M 4/5
Ostsol 5M 4/5 (use your Ostroc, the two are practically identical)
Archer 4M 3/4
Battlemaster 3M DC 3/5 (Command console giving +1 on initiative is god-tier, as is having a backup pilot for if the main one passes out.)

>>95883674

Thansk for the response. I hadn't actually heard of the DC rule, so I'll look that up. The tournament rules state

"Rules used will be from the Battlemech Manual (only 1 ton of precision ammunition per mech)
Optional Rules: movement dice (p13), floating criticals (p45), simplified buildings (p66))."

Is the DC in the Battletech Manual? I'll have to look.

And I don't think there'd be issues with proxies, I more prefer not to as a matter of personal honour and class, but good to know.

I'm also curious if there's a method experienced players use for a balanced lance - like one fast mech, one fire support, etc. etc.

>>95883797
Cockpit command console is one of the advanced/experimental equipment from TacOps, so it's not in the BMM.

>>95871624
Kingfisher if by itself.

Hellbringer, if I can bring a BA squad to act as armor.

>>95882408
You should probably suck-start a shotgun

>>95883812

Ah, drat.

>>95879935
>Space below shoulder on both sides to fit LRM launcher like the original design

But nooo, the CGL fags have to try and copy MWO but with retarded huge missile tubes because they can't cast for shit.

>>95883934
>>95879935
Forgot to upload the image of the original model.

>>95883934
Huge missiles and gun barrels has been a battletech staple since forever.

>>95883598
You can always put that Awesome in, although upgrading its skills will mean everything else is going to have to be on the lighter side. The Tarantula is just a quad Spider, but speed isn't the best defense when you're in an era with pulse lasers. Personally I would go Awesome (9Q or 8Q), Tarantula, Buccaneer, and Archer 4M.

>>95884079
Yeah, I'll second this. The Battlemaster was my recommendation on the assumption that you could use it to it's fullest potential, but if command console isn't allowed, the Awesome will live up to it's name. You can't have it be 3/5 with the Archer also having 3 gunnery, but with an AWS-9Q, you can have both it and the Ostsol as 3/5.

>>95884079

Yeah this list is not only good but stylish. Glad to see Buccaneer love.

>>95884292
I still think it should have had a cutlass-shaped hatchet. It's a wobstar design, they have the technology.

>>95884292
I love the buccanear. It's one of my favorite mechs to mod into a TSM CQC monster. My campaign group uses quirks, and for one mission I threw a TSM buccanear at them, and let me tell you, close quarters targeting quirk on a TSM mech with a pile of medium lasers? They downed it, but only barely.

>>95883812
Isn't it in Total Warfare? I swear it is.

>>95883924
Check the BMM just in case, I would be surprised if its absent

The Buccaneer 6PX "Pan" having that designation strongly implies the possibility of a general production 6P happening at some point. True one-off customs don't usually get a number designation at all, but prototypes do, and throwing a prototype into a high profile arena is a good way to work out its kinks and market it. The 6/9/11 shankmech deserves to become a real variant.

My latest order arrived today. Now I can finally have a mini representing my girl Roadrunner and her bestie Coyote of course. I'll probably do a Victor in the same colors to represent the one girl who kicked ass in it.
Other than that, I just wanted another Charger and a 3rd Victor. I also got 2 Atlas and another Archer because they were all really cheap.
This brings my total mini count up to 180 and with that, I think my collection is good. I don't anticipate buying any more for a long long time now.

>>95884985
Maybe now you can go buy a better phone so you dont have to post hyper blurry pictures

>>95882408
>I keep reporting his posts until he stopped making them. Like NEAs "battle reports" nothing of value was lost.
Anon, you wouldn't be announcing a report now, would you?

>>95885072

>>95884955
While they're at it, they should make the "Tinker Bell" Sylph BA into a proper designation too so I don't have to explain that they're from the semi-canon Disney TRO whenever I use them.

How do you guys like NARC and TAG? I was thinking of building a mixed lance with a Royal Zephyr and LRM Carrier, and a few normal mechs - and since my friends are thinking about doing a campaign, and playing like a bitch and being able to more effectively soften enemies or lay down smoke to cover a retreat seems like it would be more useful here than just deathmatches.

>>95885072
That isn't his phone's fault. It's a combination of poor lighting and camera shake. Minis are difficult to photograph well and most people have no idea how to take a proper picture.

>>95885209
NARC isn't great, TAG is better.

>>95871624
Mad Dog. I like the symmetrical loadout and attack helicopter on legs look.

>>95871400
FASA and CGL burned bridges with freelancers by not paying them. There isn't the "plenty of people" you might think there is.

>>95885209
Regular NARC is very forgettable. iNARC is fantastic and easily on par with TAG.

>>95885209
NARC is one of these things that typically works better in a video game adaptation than tabletop. For its weight and what it is, just ain't really good. Its problem is that its competing with the likes of TAG and even C3

>>95885230
You know, they're also just some basic unpainted minis. Precisely what are the details you're missing out on? Do you really care about wanting to see unblurry grey plastic? The pic was just to show what I got.

>>95872065
Just the way it goes sometimes. At leasy your games were short. I got roped into a game once in which my opponent deployed two SRM Carriers (10 SRM6s on each) and two Javalins, and INSISTED on rolling the location for each SRM hit individually. It took fucking ages.

>>95885363
Get yourself a box of doom.Although I recommend against painting the inside. Mine has chipped and cracked so much that it sheds paint flakes every time it's shaken.

>>95885422
How atrociously loud is that when you shake it in the game store?

>>95885163
Are those Sylphs any good? I recently discovered the Sylph Enhanced and holy fuck 14-point leg attack is a hell of a drug.

>>95873659
Luna Titanium isn't "impervious or near impervious to all forms of damage". It was able to shug off the Zaku II's 120mm Machine gun cannon but it would take damage from the 280mm Zaku Bazooka and later on in the OYW the beam rifles of the Gelgoog.
That also includes the heat hawks that the Zaku II's had so It is well within reason that an Axeman could win should the writer deem it

>>95885443
Who let this nerd out of the locker?

>>95885325
> You didnt need to see anything in the photo anyways
Then why post it?

>>95885437
It's like an intermittent drum roll, but we only need it on rare occasions, and where I play it's all battletech players on the nights we play, so it isn't a problem. People are usually excited when I have cause to bust it out. Probably in no small part because I don't play mechs or tanks that need it in enough frequency to be annoying.

>>95884985
Where did you get these? I need more victors.

>>95885439
VTOL movement BA with a OS SRM5. They close quick, hammer the enemy, and then can start doing the standard Sylph shenanigans. I like them a lot, nasty little bugs.

>>95883157
>accidentally
Lol.

>>95885675
Sounds like I should read up on VTOL movement, then. They sound like fun.

>>95885917
You obviously weren't in that thread. Besides that, what's the problem with it, anon? Be specific.

>>95873768
This man is right. It's tradition to do it the other way around! Which is what the poster he responded to did.

>>95885443
Dont forget the size difference too. The Axeman is 10-12m while the Gundam is 18m, which is small for a Gundam excepting Late UC stuff. Reach will be a factor in the melee.

Is the 90s compedium still viable? I've dug the Polish version up as a collection item but I have a friend that doesn't speak English so I thought I could lend it to him to read since the newest editions don't get translated. I started playing only a few years ago so I'm not sure if CGL changed something when compared to the old rules, but I heard they're mostly intanct and all that changed is that new equipment was added for the new eras.

>>95886211
There are core rule changes, but not that many. Infantry damage is different, which SRMs are allowed to use infernos are different, and how those infernos work has changed. But most of the core gameplay is identical.

>>95886211
The only main change outside some advanced tech like C3 is the Partial Cover Rules if we're only talking mechs. Conventionals got a complete overhaul in Total Warfare.

>>95883157
To be honest Battletech is populated mostly by angry Boomers at this stage who hate fun. There are people that are that vindictive.
>>95885556
With the fucked nature of CGL shipping probably going to have to get a 3D printer if you live outside of US if you want minis these days. What I am considering so I can complete my Davion schoolgirl Lance. If I can find one at a reasonable price might eventually finish each faction having their own take on Girls und Mech

>CGL Buys IWM
>immediately jacks up all the prices by $3-$5 per model
Lol. Lmao.

>>95886386
>muh tariffs we have no choice

>>95886386
$2-$7 actually, the bigger and more popular ones went from $18 to $25.50

>>95886386
Ah, the old "leveraged buyout and make the new subsidiary pay for it" trick. Doesn't usually work out.

>>95885463
To share that I got stuff.
>>95885556
Ebay. I've found a seller of individual minis who is highly reliable and has fair prices. He restocks often enough to where it's worth checking back regularly. Looks like he's currently out of Victors though. Pic rel is the seller's name.

>>95886034
You're on 4chan so you know, don't insult me by playing stupid, jackass.

>>95886422
>>95886409
>they're not THAT stupid
Was my immediate thought but they really are, as expected of Loren and Randall. Surely a sale would have been a better move? Drum up some revenue.

>>95885363
>INSISTED on rolling the location for each SRM hit individually
That is how you're supposed to do it. He should have also just had lots of dice pairs available that he could roll all at once.
20 tiny dice for the SRM carrier's attack. Single roll. Check which pairs hit. Roll hit pairs for cluster counts. Single roll. Put dice totals in order and quickly count the clusters to the total hits. Then just roll the locations in batches of 20 dice at a time. Pair up the sames so you're not going: 2 damage to CT... 2 damage to RT... 2 more damage to CT. You want to be able to simply go: 16 damage to CT. You just need to...

>>95886515
>they're not THAT stupid
No, they really are.
This is the company whose mainline product, the one they tried to kill, suddenly became popular, and their immediate reaction was "OMG we are teh nu-GW, we canz rack up prices for cheap chinkium melties" and to start simplifying and dumbing down the rules as much as possible, despite one of the draws to BT being the autistic level of simulationist detail.

>>95886598
All CGL had to do was remain apolitical and sort out their shipping issues and they could have actually got a nice slice of the market. They instead picked the self destructive retard option.

>>95886546
>Pair up the sames so you're not going: 2 damage to CT... 2 damage to RT... 2 more damage to CT. You want to be able to simply go: 16 damage to CT

That's doing it wrong, though. The order which you resolve the hits can easily change if a mech lives or dies. Like if your LT has 2 pips of structure left and 9 missiles land on your LA and 1 hit your LT, the order seriously matters - if you did arm first and then torso, you'd end up with a dead torso - if you do torso first, you'll lose the torso (and by extension, the arm) immediately, and then all the arm damage would transfer through the destroyed LT to the CT and could end up killing you.

If you resolve normally the LT hit probably falls somewhere in the middle of those 10 hits and changes how much damage eventually transfers to the CT in the end. Just treating a cluster of SRMs like a glorified bomb is completely wrong, and the box of death already makes cluster resolution fast enough that you shouldn't need to do this.

>>95875955
Anybody else think the Nightchael Jaier White kinda looks like a Horus Heresy-era Termy?

>>95886710
>The order which you resolve the hits can easily change if a mech lives or dies.
I stopped reading here because I never mentioned anything about the order of applying hits, just how to save time. Try not actually comprehend the words you're reading next time.

>>95886742
>Pair up the sames so you're not going: 2 damage to CT... 2 damage to RT... 2 more damage to CT. You want to be able to simply go: 16 damage to CT. You just need to...

Retard alert.

>>95881622
Kraken that hasn't worked for the LAST Mod who did it.

>>95885422
>>95885437
>How atrociously loud is that when you shake it in the game store?
Get some thin adhesive neoprene foam!

>>95886784
>Retard alert.
Yeah, you. Now listen up you absolutely colossal moron and learn some 1st grade reading comprehension. I explained how to save time on dice rolling. At no point did I bring up the order of applying damage, and before you bring it up, crits. You read words that I never typed because you're a braindead dumbfuck that I know won't understand anything I'm typing right now. Which is why I deleted my previous post because I knew you wouldn't be worth the time and you won't be worth the time it took me to type this up either and it's why I won't be responding after this. Keeping spending your 10 minutes for a single unit's attack while I do mine in less than 1. Dumbass bitch. I'd tell you to go back to school you dumb nigger, but no amount of education can overcome the failure genetics of your inbred parents. Go take your retard dice box and choke on the paint chips.

>>95886837
>being this mad that somebody pointed at you were doing it wrong

>>95886837
Try not actually comprehend the words you're reading next time.

>>95885163
I'm just going to leave this here.

>>95886837
Peak example

>>95886928
Honestly the green and teal with gold trim goes hard, I should do up a paint job like that.

>>95886928
Why women always gotta go arround with they pussy out todays? You know shit nasty.

>>95885451
I just love Mechs from all over the globe, though truth be told I only like some of the Gundam series and mostly for the Non-Gundam mobile suits.

>>95886056
Thats a fair point as too. Also there is the crazy maneuverability that Gundams (well most Mecha in truth) have but I also like to think that a BT Mech's Myomer/Neurohelmet would give it superior strength as well as swifter general body movements like swinging an arm

>>95886666
>All CGL had to do was remain apolitical
Literally not possible. Games are political by their nature, and so are the facts behind economics, asset acquisition and production, and importation. Politics affect them, and they are going to say that when it does.

>>95886951
Free advertising for the only thing any woman anywhere has of worth.

>>95886951
Why can you not speak like a human?

>>95887019
It is absolutely possible not to include faggots and trannies in your fucking game and/or product.

>>95887069
Maybe you should spend another twenty years crying about it. That will convince progress to stop.

>>95887077
In twenty years you'll be hiding from the public again.

>>95887077
>Cry about skub for 20 years
>no one listens
This is why violence is the answer, if you truly believe in Skub/AntiSkub

>>95887019
>>95887069
>>95887077
>>95887115
>>95887120

>>95887200
Makes more sense this way.

>>95887200
What if the opinion represented by the box with purple stripes is "it's fine to depict homosexuals in entertainment"

Also I misremembered Will & Grace premiered in 1998, making it closer to thirty years than twenty.

>>95886403
They don't. Trump basically fucked everyone in the toy business for no reason.

>>95887227
I think the point was for the bystander to have the same portions in the 3rd part as the one being lectured in the first.

>>95887244
I'd say it probably works both ways yeah. The preal clutching prude who wants us "to think of the children!" that we all rolled our eyes at was a lot more common of a trope twenty years ago.
Left or Right, it's the same kind of virtue signalling that most people find off-putting.

>>95887244
>What if the opinion represented by the box with purple stripes is "it's fine to depict homosexuals in entertainment"
Then the picture would look like this.

>>95887284
Believe me, the homosexuals are certainly thinking of the children.

>>95887282
The one arguing has a larger portion of orange opinion, so logically the orange opinion is the source of their argument, if the striped opinion was to enter the mind of the bystander because of the orange argument, then their belief in the orange opinion would decrease, not the yellow opinion.

>>95887277
Keep politics out of this discussion.

Why does CGL keep increasing prices?

>>95887290
I think you have been subjected to a goodbye lennin situation.

>>95887310
They want larger profit margins.

>>95887310
Everything to do with US based manufacturing is getting more expensive in a chaotic way for reasons that are impossible to explain within the scope of your question.

Battletech?

>>95887327
Do you not know where you are?

>>95887332
The battletech general on the traditional games board?

>>95887327
>>95887338
Both discussions are about the production of battletech stuff, models and lore.

>>95887322
Stop talking about politics. I just want to know why my minis are getting more expensive.

>>95887342
Hey now, poor anon can't keep more than two comments in a chain in his mind at a time, you're asking for way too much here.

>>95887347
Because greedy fucks need more porches.

>>95887347
An orange ogre is squatting on the bridge they use to bring plastic crap from china to the store. Sometimes the ogre and be appeased by giving him some of the toys, sometimes he just wants to flip the cart into the river.

>>95887311
Project your cope elsewhere.

>>95887277
Prices only rose for IWM after the CGL acquisition though?

>>95887361
Reeee politics. Stop talking about politics and tell me why everything is going up in price.

>>95884079
>Awesome

Is it statistically better to have an Awesome 8Q and upgrade it, or a 9Q for the extra PPC?

e.g. this is 5758. The Tarantula can be downgraded in a pinch but its difference isnt too much.

>>95887765
3 ppcs with -1 to hit
vs
4 ppcs
There's a very very narrow set of situations where the hit modifier is better than having 33% more firepower.

>>95887765
The 9Q is just better. When the heat gets spicy, the 9Q drops down to what the 8Q does from 0. It never needs to fire only 2 PPCs unless it's been engine crit, and at that point it's probably missing a couple PPCs anyway. Especially with floating TACs on.

>>95885675
>>95885970
Okay I looked up the VTOL Battle Armor rules in TW and I have to say: what the fuck

The whole VTOL section is almost irrelevant since they can’t sideslip (no facing) and while they specifically mention Sylphs in the first paragraph or so, they just say “see Battle Armor rules” but don’t clarify anything on which rules supersede which. Also MegaMek is apparently bigly wrong and lets you just cruise through woods like they aren’t even there, so that’s fun. I had my hopes dashed when I went to test them out and then looked up forum answers for more clarity and apparently you just aren’t supposed to zoom through trees all the time. Also you get bomb racks but then can’t drop them into any hex with a woods because you have to be at elevation 3 to fly over but elevation 1 to drop bombs, cool. And MegaMek lets you swarm a mech from any elevation so you can drop from like elevation 5 right onto a mech like you’re skydiving on it which also can’t be right, that would be absurd. And ON TOP OF THAT the other errata and forum answers I’ve found seem to indicate you ACTUALLY apply either the +1 or +3 AMM for VTOL or jump movement (but there’s no concrete answer on which?) despite the infantry section saying you never apply an AMM for infantry.

I want to play these guys the way the developers intended, but I am this close to just telling my group “fuck it, they jump 5” and calling it a day.

>People complaining about prices.

This is 70,000 dollars and I don't even get the rest of the robot.

It's a shame there are no Awesome 9/10R/T/V. Eventually they came back to the idea with the 11R and 11V. The R still stands for Retarded, but at least the 11R is a fun kind of retarded.

>>95887941
Don't worry, it's only 2 bucks

>>95887347
Bad orange man added in a 30% tariff on stuff coming in from China in order to push for domestic production and stop companies from outsourcing production and crippling the US economy.
Somehow this translates to a 50% increase in CGL Battletech mini prices
But wait, they bought up IWM!... And applied a 10% to 30% price hike on all minis they sell.
No, they cannot bring the production of plastic minis to America and employ natives to do the job.
No,they cannot offset costs by redesigning the packaging to be less inefficient
No, they cannot sell unassembled minis cheaper
In fact, they cannot do anything to reduce the end user costs. In fact, in the next financial year they are going to have to hike up prices again in excess of inflation to account for uh, well, uhhh... they just have too, okay?

>>95887929
Just use them as logic applies. VTOL move of 5, no AMM because infantry explicitly ignore those, and you have to be at least 1 level above the top of a unit to bomb it. Or let them drop whilst flying over woods.
As for skydive swarming, that makes sense. Battle Armour is crazy durable and protects the user inside from crazy levels of damage, as in Dreadnought calibre gunfire levels for the larger suits, and even the lighter ones can shrug off 120mm gun bursts.

>>95871624
Kingfisher

>>95883836
My Sibkin

>>95888651
>they just have too, okay?
Good. If it prices dishonest shits like you out of the game every penny is worth it.

>>95887929
You do need to match elevation to swarm or sweep the legs, so Elevation 1 or 2 to rip apart mechs.

>>95871624
Vapor Eagle or Incubus. Not even because they're good mechanically, I just love their designs.

>>95888817
Sorry sar, but it doesn't really affect me much, I'm not American and we have RalPartha Europe over here plus several of my friends are proooonters. CGL going full gw doesn't really effect me ;^)

>>95888651
>30% tariff on stuff coming in from China in order to push for domestic production and stop companies from outsourcing production
And you don't understand why that's a bassakwards way of doing it, do you?

>>95889145
>I'm not American
Then you don't belong here and none of us care about your excuse for an opinion.

>>95889170
>it's now more expensive to produce things abroad and bring them in as opposed to just making them in-house
>this will logically relocate production to the native land
>"nuh-uh anon akshually that's incorrect and it just won't because, well... it just won't! Okay!

>>95889271
Sure thing my burgeristanian fren. Before you get sad remember that you too have access to prooonting, and I'm sure those of us over here will happily send you RPE nechs if you ask.

>>95888651
>, they cannot bring the production of plastic minis to America and employ natives to do the job.
They can't. Reindustrializing isn't a jobs program for retards. And there's a world of people outside the US you can sell to, so the American consumer takes it on the chin.

Turns out when Trump said "trade is bad", he meant it. And neocons and chamber of commerce Republicans tard wrangling him deserve the credit for 16-20 being pretty good.

>>95889737
They literally can. If chong in China can press buttons on a machine then so can Jason in America. They don't want too because its an excuse to raise prices.
>neocons and chamber of commerce Republicans tard wrangling him
You mean " rich people with vested interest in these corpos and keeping things as they are"

>>95889458
>>95889737
>They can't. Reindustrializing isn't a jobs program for retards. And there's a world of people outside the US you can sell to, so the American consumer takes it on the chin.
>>95889967
What industry can get the necessary machining and infrastructure online in only 3 years?!
Not to mention that Chong works for a tenth the wage as Jason!

Picked up a Valkyrie, 2 Locusts, a Banshee 3E, Phoenix hawk, and a Stalker all in metal off of ebay. I think I'm pretty much set for mechs for the foreseeable future, and if I need any more I have a friend of a friend who's always looking for an excuse to use his resin printer.

Stalker feels like one of those mechs that doesn't show up that often in novels or on the tabletop despite being so common in lore.

>>95890164
Because, NiceDeamonette you sub-chimp level IQ retard, there is already the infrastructure for CGL to produce minis in the states, its called Iron Wind Metals, they recently bought them out. And on a broader scale, a good chunk of the infrastructure is there to be built on, it just needs someone to do it. Its called future investment, and it goes hand in hand with making jobs and bolstering your economy instead of being another import consumer economy.
But let me guess, if we did that we "would have to import lots of migrants to work the industry because im a leftitard and so theres only option A) export all the work to turdieland, or B) import hordes of migrants to do the work for us, option C) bring back the industry and give jobs to Americans doesnt exist in my world view"

>>95890610
The Stalker is one of those mechs thats just sort of there. Its nothing majorly impressive, it never really seems to do anything amazing, but it never jobs hard either. Its always just doing its job, plodding along and getting stuff done. The only novel I remember seeing it in is Operation Excalibur where a pair maul Lori's Shad and kill her wingmans Treb.

>>95890733
>there is already the infrastructure for CGL to produce minis in the states, its called Iron Wind Metals
Yes, because Injection Molded Plastic is EXACTLY like Metal Casting... Dumbass Norf...

>Its called future investment, and it goes hand in hand with making jobs and bolstering your economy instead of being another import consumer economy.
...You were totally a Brexitter, weren't you?
Yes it needs investment, something the Hyper-capitalist Corpo mindset does not want to do, as winnowing away what cost they have is more profitable.

So that investment has to come from someone else, say, THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT!
But that does NOT happen when you vote for the "Jaguars Eat my Face Party," but since you think MAGNETS ARE MAGIC it's no wonder economics eludes you!

Fuck you can't even spell "Daemon" correctly...

>>95890827
NTA but the "infrastructure" is something you can buy ready to go in a box for the price of a pair of shoes.
It's called 3D printing and retards can do it at home in their garage.

>>95890854
>It's called 3D printing and retards can do it at home in their garage.
That's not the same infrastructure, and you probably KNOW that if you've ever dealt with 3D printing.

>>95890868
This sounds like something someone who doesn't 3D print would say.
It's stupid easy and cheap, more profitable than importing from china, for about $0.25 material per mini that can be sold for $10 a piece with a higher level of detail than their chinesium.
Anyone can startup 3D manufacturing from nothing if they want to, and the actual production costs being so low, hiring americans at minimum wage is no barrier to profit.

>>95890895
>This sounds like something someone who doesn't 3D print would say.
Ok then, what kind of printer would they use?
Most everyone on this board agrees FMD is shit for detailed Miniatures, so there goes your cheapest and easiest option.
Resin Vat Photopolymerization works well, but that process requires increased involvement and specialized treatment, and thus generally doesn't scale well if at all!

So please, explain to my poor dumb ass how you are magicking an injection molding empire out of your 3D Printer?

>>95889967
Even Methville, you need to pay $20hr+Bennies for someone to press buttons that can actually show up to work sober, assuming you can find such a person - because people with that level of competence have fucked off to the suburbs, where their price is higher. And a few million in capex to build your facility. Oh wait, the machines that make your toys are probably Asian or European and got tariffed too, as are your raw plastic inputs. Just cutting checks to subsidize things is less retarded than tariffs, especially if your goal is to produce things people might want. Then again, you just want a jobs program, not to actually make things.

Or you can get Puy Srichapan in Thailand who's other option is rice farming to do it for $15k, and she's probably a better button presser because it's a good wage and there's more untapped talent. Vietnam shoe factories had doctors and lawyers turning on their CVs because the pay was competitive, and they're definitely less likely to fuck up the button pressing.

>>95891029
CGL is in an awkward space where they aren't super popular, but they're too popular for a hobbyist part timer with a resin printer to keep up. Largely because you need to pay someone, and we all know about FASA and CGL's record on that.

>>95891117
Yeah, didn't another anon explicitly point out that they are some bit above the production numbers for a small-time domestic operation, but still way below what a big-time domestic operation would even consider for units?

>>95891029
>>95891117
>A (singular) resin printer
No, this would be like 50-100 resin printers, something cheap like tge current photon mono 4 would be perfect, 10k detail and $300 pricetag.
Could setup tge manufacturing for less than tge cost of loren's porch, profit would greatly over-cover cost of material, man hours to clean/desupport and replacement of printers when they cease function in 2-4 years of daily use.

>>95891190
You need a substantial industrial space, lots of PPE and ventilation, paying for healthcare when people inevitably develop resin allergies, and you need an order of magnitude more time in QC per model.

The only reason your plan seems genius is because you're basing it on the economics of hobbyists who value their time at single digit dollars per hour.

Then not only is Ping Ping cheaper, probably smarter than the Amerifat you think you can get for minimum wage, but Ping Ping can press buttons and QA an order of magnitude more sprues than your print wrangler can because the injection molding machine fucks up less often.

You are so wrong about how business and the world works, it is not even funny.

>>95891190
>No, this would be like 50-100 resin printers
Yeah, a scale where resin gets especially messy.
You'd need at least one employee manning each printer, which would be about four times the manpower CGL supposedly has?

>>95890827
>magnets
>norf
>brexiteer
What the actual living jesus are you on about you schizophrenic twat, youve been around for over a decade and half the fucking board hates your guts. Or is everyone who disagrees with you now "le big bad evil magnetic norf boogeyman" living rent free in the coom filled space you call a brain cavity? Your a genuine fucking moron.
Premium minis are injection moulded, the boomers at IWM probably have plenty of know-how, setting up the process is not expensive in the long run and would be cheaper than paying ping, peng, ching, and changing to prep, pump, eject, and assemble everything. Make the mechs on the sprue, you can do all the paets for all variants of a chassis in one pack for pennies. Oh look, cheaper, better quality, and more efficient than chinkesium.
As for the industry, just make foreign production and importation costly and difficult. Just like le big bad orange man is doing. Oh, look, now corpos are looking at investing in American production. Wow. Amazing.
Retard.

>>95891278
100-200 square feet, they have more than enough in warehouse space to hold their product already, industrial bulk price of gloves is pennies a pair, your pipedreams of printing being a problem are absurd.
>Manufacture REQUIRES slave labor!
No, it doesn't.
>>95891283
>one employee per printer
WHAT?! no.
A man can clean fifty print jobs in tge time it takes to finis a 4-6 hour print, with breaktime spare.

>>95891360
>setting up the process is not expensive in the long run and would be cheaper than paying ping, peng, ching, and changing to prep, pump, eject, and assemble everything.
That's where your WRONG Dumbass!
And again, Kraken, you're the only one who spells "daemon" wrong.

>>95891407
Who the fuck is Kraken you schizophrenic mentally mangled tard?

>>95891394
>pipedreams of printing being a problem are absurd
It's more believable than '3d printing is easy and cheaper than China'. If that was true we should have 3d print businesses EVERYWHERE.

>>95891394
>WHAT?! no.
YES.
Especially if you don't want to put that manpower in down the line quality control!
Volume is where injection molding still holds an edge over every form of 3D printing.

>>95891463
>It's more believable than '3d printing is easy and cheaper than China'. If that was true we should have 3d print businesses EVERYWHERE.
I mean it could work, but you'd need to specialize in machines that do LARGE batch prints, and even then its going to be small runs of 100-1000 units depending on the size.

>>95891485
Watch out! It's the magical magnetic norfener! Oh no even worse, it's the dread kraken! They're in the walls! They're behind every post! They're watching us!

>>95891394
It doesn't require slave labor, and if that's why you think why things are made in China (and SEA for more labor intensive work), you are 15-20 years out of date. Then again, every post increasingly reveals you do not know anything about how the world works - just operating on some combination of hopium and ignorance.

>A man can clean fifty print jobs in tge time it takes to finis a 4-6 hour print, with breaktime spare.
And Long Wang can 10x that in injection molding land.

>>95891524
>And Long Wang can 10x that in injection molding land.
Hell at the volumes you can injection mold, you can just outright reject units that aren't to quality control standards!

Also Kraken trying to smokescreen that he isn't immediately identifiable is hilarious.

>>95891569
>Also Kraken trying to smokescreen that he isn't immediately identifiable is hilarious.
Is the kraken in the room with us now?

>>95891485
>>95891524
The rich insist on slave labour because the very idea of seeing working class people enjoying ANY amount of luxury offends them.
Fixing the wealth divide doesn't even require tge super rich to cease being super rich, it only requires that their liquid wealth be SLIGHTLY less than it is.
Americans have had a fair deal before, it's proven to work fine.
You deserve to be shot.

>>95891586
Maybe, I do know he's the idiot who somehow thought Iron Wind METALS can instantly switch over to PLASTIC INJECTION MOLDING because they share the concept of pouring liquid material into a solid cast...

>>95891602
>Fixing the wealth divide doesn't even require tge super rich to cease being super rich, it only requires that their liquid wealth be SLIGHTLY less than it is.
That also requires taxing them, but GOD FORBID we do that...

>>95891278
>paying for healthcare when people inevitably develop resin allergies
PPE and good ventilation makes this a non-issue; only exposure can trigger such a thing. Not that I'd trust CGL to have safe working practices in place, proper ventilation, or adhere to appropriate waste disposal processes.

>>95891602
If they wanted slave labor, China and SEA are too expensive. They'd go to Africa and the Subcontinent - but they don't, not for complex work like cars, electronics, or even running shoes. It's because theyre relatively accurate and don't fuck things up, and the pay offers a standard of living that you can entice people that aren't losers out of rice paddies and water buffalo tending to do the job because competence hasn't been strip mined out to the cities yet (and middle class wages in Shenzhen or Hanoi would still get you complete fuckups in the West).

Does IWM do injection molding? I thought they did casting.

>>95891651
>Not that I'd trust CGL to have safe working practices in place, proper ventilation, or adhere to appropriate waste disposal processes.
Man I'd be surprised if ANY Corpo bothered in this day and age...

>>95891651
There's nobody you can trust less to actually do that than a small business, kek.

>>95891664
They do casting. My understanding is that they actually primarily do industrial work and that was always their main income stream. I'm not sure if the industrial work was under a different name or technically a different company with shared resources or what, but the owner made all his money on boring business and then had miniatures casting on the side because he liked it.

>>95891654
If the wages were fair they would entice americans.
If china and chinese are so great why don't the rich move there and sell their product there? because the place and people are shit and the slave environment doesn't make for a place the rich want to risk their lives being in.
But CEO's are now on the reprisal menu here and soon enough people will figure out that shareholders are the real target.
Those weren't problems in fair deal america.

>>95891711
>If the wages were fair they would entice americans.
Again even that can be dicey, see Detassling.

>>95891698
That might be why the prices went up, if they lost/ditched the boring side of the business now the miniatures have to hold everything up on their own.

>>95891718
>Detassling
Oh it's manic, you don't know a fucking thing about anything
>bushel is a volume!
>you dont know farming! oh wait you're euro? lemme suck your dick!

>>95891718
Yep, there's a reason that historically agricultural labor was a punishment you inflicted on people you conquered, and today rural Thais and Vietnamese would rather sew Nikes all day than do.

>>95891762
And what Kraken doesn't get is that detassling is ESPECIALLY SHIT farm work, hence you need to trick Teens into with $20/hour wages.

>>95891745
And CGL is i think trying to position themselves as the American GW and Battletech as NA's 40k, much like it was during the FASA years in the 90s.

Tbf, I think FASA's implosion played a left a vacuum filled by the explosive growth of 40k in North in the 00s.

>>95891783
Quit pretending you know shit about farming, I'm the one filling an airdrill seed cart right now, you're eating tendies in a basement.

>>95891783
There's new teens every year. It's like fast food, you're not supposed to spend your whole life doing it.

>>95891762
>the last two generations of feminizing american men means a lot of effeminate men won't do real work
And they need to fail out of life, noone cares if those never get a job.

>>95891872
>There's new teens every year. It's like fast food, you're not supposed to spend your whole life doing it.
Yeah, but I find it telling that everyone I've ever known will tell me they only did it ONCE, and that they have to pay wages that make fulltime positions look cheap but still can't get immigrant farm workers for it says volumes.

>>95891883
You wouldn't last a DAY Detasseling!

>>95890827
>Yes, because Injection Molded Plastic is EXACTLY like Metal Casting...
Tin and pewter miniatures are made using spin-casting. It's actually cheaper and simpler than injection molding, as the equipment is smaller and requires less investment. The molds are vulcanized rubber so they're less than a tenth of the cost of a die cassette for an injection machine too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5klej1i7_Q

So with low-temp melt metals the cost isn't as concentrated in equipment, as much as it is in labor. Injection-molding plastics is the inverse where all of the capitol gets invested in the equipment and the cycle rates mean that the labor costs aren't much of a percentage. But lease of the commercial space, taxes, and utilities are.

>>95891904
How many seasons did you do it?

>>95891904
>You wouldn't last a DAY Detasseling!
Come July, uou wouldn't last an hour doing what I do.

>>95891904
You know what the opinion of a fatfuck do-nothing tendy eating failure counts for? Not a fucking thing.

>>95891927
Two months over three years helping out a friend of the family and I'll never do it again it's such hard grueling work.

>>95891982
Sounds like you're just a bitch, lmao.

>>95892017
I didn't post that! someone is pretending to be me.

>>95892059
Clearly its kraken!

>>95892160
No it must be the nazi!

>>95892168
It was me Austin! It was me all along Austin!

>>95892192
Curse you Mr Powers!

New thread

>>95892300

>>95891970
>Come July, uou wouldn't last an hour doing what I do.
Probably not, I wouldn't even last hauling square bales like that other Anon did, but at least I'd attempt that before Detasseling.

>>95891982
>Two months over three years helping out a friend of the family and I'll never do it again it's such hard grueling work.
I didn't, but I already lived in the middle of Cornfields and knew how miserable they got in the summer.
Mom swears my sister did it and quit half way, but she's mixing her up with my elder brother, we instead got to work our parent's far too large vegetable garden.

>>95892059
>>95892160
>>95892168
Anon's please, we're all clearly figments of one autistic man-child's imagination!
But which one?!

Why do most people seem to play with the 3050s-3060s? I understand why they don't stick with introtech, because armless mechs kicking each other until someone's mg ammo explodes is kinda tedious. Does the Jihad and beyond introduce too many if-then-else that it gets tedious in its own way? Do people just dislike the writing decisions of the Dark Age and Il-Clan era