Thread 95890129

Mega Flare Edition

>Bans
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-announcement-march-31-2025

>News
The 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:
https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule

Odenheimer, Gruul Aggro, Wins Magic Spotlight: Foundations:
https://articles.starcitygames.com/magic-the-gathering/odenheimer-gruul-aggro-wins-magic-spotlight-foundations/

>Spoilers
http://www.magicspoiler.com/
https://mythicspoiler.com/

CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES
>Current meta, complete with deck lists
https://www.mtgtop8.com/
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/
>Build and share casual decks
https://deckstats.net/
https://tappedout.net/

CUBE RESOURCES
>Build and share Cubes
https://cubecobra.com/landing

CARD RESOURCES
>Search engines
https://scryfall.com/
https://mtg.wtf/
>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://www.makeplayingcards.com/
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM
>Play online for free
https://untap.in/
https://dr4ft.info/

>What is EDH?
https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1

>WotC's War Crimes
https://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)
https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)

>Previously
>>95869384

>TQ
Favorite Saga?

Last night I realized that FIN's "if you spent four or more mana" theme is meant to work with Flashback, and I'm not sure if I should feel like an idiot for taking so long to realize since I haven't seen anyone else mention it.

How many fucking cards we should ban to fix this mess? Also be prepared for "No Changes" this month.

>>95890231
>How many fucking cards we should ban to fix this mess? Also be prepared for "No Changes" this month.
Pioneer I think obvious, absolutely necessary bans are:
>Cutter
>Annex
>Treasure Cruise (Since the introduction of Picklock Prankster and Artist's Talent, it's no longer acceptable in the format. Could argue Prankster or Talent should go, but Treasure is really just a problem card everywhere so it should go first.)
Screaming Nemesis
Monstrous Rage
Unstoppable Slasher
Yorion (No Companion should be in any format)
Cauldron Familiar

That is just to get it back into a state where it is minimally functional as a 1v1 format. It was already shit in the era of Sheo and Fable, but it was at least pretending to be functional back then. Then we can ban Fable and Sheo and all the other trash to further clean it up.

Each opponent?

>>95890231
every card should go that create too much value for little effort and can result in one sided game or checks, as in game states that one player cannot realistically recover from due to the opponent having too much card and resource advantage due to overtuned cards synergizing too well with other cards.

Any counterspell is a prime example of that and they've been in the game forever.
No sane person would ever say counterspells are fair and balanced.
Counterspells are just Cori-steel cutter but make any interaction possible and create too much advantage for the caster that your only way to outplay counterspells is to either play monored aggro, and go back to the problem that started this whole discussion, or run counterspells as well, dragging out the game until you cannot outcounterspell the U player anymore.
Cards that can't be outplayed expect by having very specific and instant responses, are not good game design.
Get counterspells banned and the rest will follow.

>>95890231
I'd be simpler to create a new format, there's too much cancer

>gets unbanned in Pioneer
Your reaction?

>>95890514
>I keep dying on turn three
Honestly you can unban Oko and everything will be the same.

I can say for sure that as long as cards exist that make any interaction impossible, you're going to have more cards designed that are supposed to preemptive make it impossible for those cards to be played.
U decks can start slinging counterspells and turn the game into a non-game by t2 UNLESS you can manage to establish threats that need to be removed before.
Unsummon? You just cast it again for cheap and attack face with pump spells.
Counterspell? You just cast a 1c with haste and swing away.
And the more mana you have the more cheap stuff you can spam.
Aggro is a direct design response to "control".
Fix control turning t4+ games into non games and you will see aggro get fixed.
Make creatures actually worth their mana costs and not follow FIRE design.

Or just turn the game into yugioh already and remove the mana system

>>95890514
I play some BUG like the old days

>>95890522
>>95890522
>Honestly you can unban Oko and everything will be the same.
Actual schizophrenic delusional take.

My I have a second opinion?

>>95890551
>Trust me i can survive turn 3!
The actual no games take, everyone.

>>95890595
You play spells turn 1 and 2 anon.

>>95890180
I got one worse, I didn't realize it worked with tiered.

>>95890168
How you do that?

>>95890168
>retard play game magic
Sounds about right.

>>95890397
(You)

this is exactly the type of cancerous game design you get if you aren't playing aggro or running all sorts of removal, thus cards have to be designed to either have ETBs that do a lot of shit and destroy or outright fuck your opp's mom

Wouldn't have happened if i ran counterspells or played monored and won by t2

wait I thought this wasn't the arena general

>>95890670
Yeah I fucking love stabilizing a game against food then randomly having them mill my entire library in a single turn because one of the cards they play as a support piece just happens to also have a reliable, free, largely uninteractive and uninteractable mill wincon stapled to it for no fucking reason.

God nuMagic is so fucking insufferable.

>>95890760
ALL GENERALS ARE ARENA GENERALS
WE OWN THIS GAY TABLETOP BOARD
TAD - TOTAL ARENA DOMINATION

>>95890231
Cutter and Monstrous Rage are the two that need to go.
I'd be happy if we lost Unholy Annex and Stock Up, but that's more opinion based. These two cards are just hellishly efficient to the point of ubiquity.

This, Oko and Uro in pioneer would be kino, counterspell should provide card advantage

>>95890767
Someone at wotc really saw that it could go infinite and opened its soi rotten mouth so hard when xhe saw it could go generate free fucking value like the idea of communism he has

fucking hacks man

>>95890776
>I'd be happy if we lost Unholy Annex and Stock Up, but that's more opinion based.
No Annex absolutely needs to fucking go, and Stock Up is a good choice too. My eternal vote is always for Cruise, even though I know WotC is a fucking stupid as a sack of shit and will continue to use the excuse "It's a pillar of the format!" even though they keep printing shit like Piclock and Talent to exploit its busted ass bullshit.

>duuuude imagine a card that say that whenever you sacced a thing you get to mill two cards and CHECK THIS OUT what if... we made tokens that can be sacced and creatures that can generate tokens when things get sacced and then makes more tokens that can get sacced and then what if the card that mills had the affect of saccing the thing to get free shit?
>wow thats so freaking awesomerino!

>>95890872
>Bro but what if that card idea you had also had an ability that you could sacrifice things and bring back the creatures that can be sacrificed to generate tokens to sacrifice! So that even if you can't get the mill wincon, you can also mill yourself to hit a creature that you can sacrifice all your tokens to get back!

The level of incompetence you need to consider something so shit an acceptable idea is unlike anything that has been witnessed in any professional field in all of human history.
The designers of MTG are legitimately the least skilled and least talented people in any professional field the world over.

>>95890872
is this loss?

>>95890129 (OP)
TQ:
Currently junctioned GF Ifirit has actually been doing work.

>>95890885
Retards, children and women/effeminates/faggots are incapable of understanding that creativity and skill thrives in actual limitation, that's why they make this degenerate shit, because they believe when the thing does things by itself it's "skill" and "deep".

Now, if we look at who works there, what kind of creatures do we find?

>>95891007
>Retards, children and women/effeminates/faggots are incapable of understanding that creativity and skill thrives in actual limitation,
I wouldn't say it thrives in limitation.
Rather, a core skill within creative design is the ability to refine raw ideas, rid them of excess and tailor your designs into something that harmonizes form and function.
Everyone is creative. Literally every person on the planet can think up random shit. To merely be creative is not artistry, it is an ubiquitous skill that all people possess in expert levels.
Artistry is in the craftsmanship, and modern hugbox development environments are a prime example of what you get when craftsmanship is abandoned, in Magic and beyond.

>Now, if we look at who works there, what kind of creatures do we find?
Cretins without skill.

>>95891036
>is the ability to refine raw ideas
That's what limitation roughly means. If you're given the answer to everything, what are you even doing? Just moving cardboard and following instructions to feed that meager miserable ego.
>Cretins without skill.
Yeah, women and effeminates. Just say it how it is.
>>95891046
Man. Imagine if this also ends up being discovered to be true.
There are already conspiracy theories that lmaos have given tech to humans.

>>95891007
PIC:Not even trying to hide.
Damn this game is dead.

>>95891080
>That's what limitation roughly means. If you're given the answer to everything, what are you even doing? Just moving cardboard and following instructions to feed that meager miserable ego.
What I mean to say is, craftsmanship is the ability to set and define your own limitations, and know which limitations result in good quality works.

>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=70075&f=PREM
128 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=69859&f=PREM
177 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=69584&f=PREM
78 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=69543&f=PREM
123 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68297&f=PREM
279 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68163&f=PREM
92 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68886&f=PREM
84 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68956&f=PREM
66 players

Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home...

>>95891089
Yes, Anon, i'm just being reductive for brevity.
We can write essays about the absolute mental failures of the primates throwing their feces on paper and calling it game design, but i'm already so fucking done.
I think; might as well just make my own game; but do people actually want to play games anymore or just jerk off, nut in their own hands and slurp up their own jizz while they pat themselves on their balls?
As far as i've seen, everyone just wants to cover their tongue with their own ejaculation.

>>95891139
>I think; might as well just make my own game;
Join the Agartha Descent brigade here on /tg/.

>>95890168
>White lmao
Lmao indeed.

>>95891046
>>95891080
do you guys thing we'll get more Alien support in EOE? I hope so

>>95891163
Yes obviously

>NOOOOOO HOW YOU DARE DESTROY MY LAND?
>NOOOOOO HOW YOU DARE MILL MY WHOLE DECK
>NOOOOO HOW YOU DARE LOCK ME FROM PLAYING
This, kids, is the kind of retarded mindset that has lead to us living this hell of a meta across all formats. Cast hyperefficient creature/creature generator, smash face, win. This is the kind of terrible Magic that we are doomed to face nowadays thanks to dopamine seekers and oonga boonga peabrains.

>>95890760
this is where we cry about red decks in arena standard and meltdown even harder about our bo1 arena losses to powerful cards like..... Scavenger's Talent (LMAO)

>>95891163
>Alien
Can they just stop fucking adding more stupid ass creature types, please.

>>95891189
No.

>>95891189
In this instance I like it as a teaser for the upcoming outer space set
Mutant is the stupid fucking creature type on that card

>>95891189
Anon, this is a preview of the alien support for the space opera set that's coming.

>>95891209
Just use Weird you fucking retards.

>>95891178
But.. we have mill decks. Right now.
And lockout decks SHOULD be shamed.

>>95891163
I actually wanted to build an aylium deck for a long time and i hope we do
>>95891178
Hyperefficient creatures are the consequence of land destruction, mill and negates

Those three mechanics have absolutely no drawbacks for the caster and insane advantage loss for the other player
If you're being epic ironic baiting just stop man
some retard at wotc might actually believe what you're saying

I also do think extra turns are cancer and i play a deck that goes infinite extra turns+mill

>>95891212
Weirds have a specific definition for what they are. They're offshoot elementals that are more intelligent and humanoid.

>>95891226
Just make the aliens align with Magic's aesthetic of Weirds.

This is not hard.

>>95891234
That's a tall order, and confining. What is the gain?

EoE being set in space we actually might get Alien types

>>95891243
Not adding another fucking retarded ass creature type, you idiot.

>people nowadays can't handle alternate wincons and consider them "unfair"
when magic the gathering died again?

>>95890629
https://catalog.neet.tv/harlequin.html

>>95891254
Nobody cares about alt wincons.
What we care about is decks that have traditional wincons randomly also having alternate wincons because they're inexplicably stapled to the deck's already-efficient regular threats.

>>95891254
how many more years are you ESL retards going to shit up the internet crying about everything?

>>95891254
>muh wincons
i can also eat your cards and call the judge and get you disqualified
how about dem alternative wincons?

>>95891250
That's a small gain for such a tremendous limitation you're putting on. So: stupid idea, worse than another creature type.

*beats you effortlessly*

>>95891302
>So: stupid idea, worse than another creature type.

>>95891315
Not an argument, now take 10,000 damage.

>>95891314
Drake Hatcher is so fucking trash lmfao why the fuck are you playing that garbage

>>95891320
The argument is that integrity is a very high priority in design, undeniably and unequivocally, in all circumstances and without exception, a higher design priority than not having limitations.

The imposing of limitations is, in fact, good design. A suggestion that not having limitations is a good thing is you having no sense for quality.

>>95891340
The imposition of limitations must have a justification. Your justification of "it saving integrity" is weak, for what integrity is gained by having all aliens be elemental creatures?

>>95891348
>The imposition of limitations must have a justification.
The justification is producing good designs. Now fuck off.

>>95891366
Bullshit. You've limited creativity and opportunity for the consolidation of a singular creature type. This is not actually any kind of integral compromise that you make it out to be. Now quit being a retarded faggot.

>>95891348
>for what integrity is gained by having all aliens be elemental creatures?
... you mean, other than creature type integrity?
The entire purpose of the great creature type culling that was done to improve the quality of the game?

To prevent the very same fucking thing that the early designers of MTG already identified as a problem, and already went through the trouble to fix?

To not make the exact same mistake you have already fixed a second time?

>>95891374
You are an unintelligent layman with no concept of good design and no vision for best practices in artistic production, spewing utter nonsense for no purpose other than to support a multinational corporation in ruining the quality of a game they curate and produce.

Go away.

>magic in 2030
>uuuuhm my wincon is that i play great monkeystary by paying mana from the preordered mistery box secretious lariat outside the game and i get 3 life every time i shout out my favorite mtgtuber then monkeystary comes with double haste (gives you an additional combat phase), street sharking (keyword introduced int the street sharks UB that allows you to rent a car and drive it unto your opponent and when he survives they get only half damage)
>swinging for 38? response?
>gg i now own your firstborn by rule 879c of the democrating gathering of the wixard (they/them) legislated by Dinsey+omegaEnixVision in 2027
>you also own me a ElonMuskxLizardmen universe between set

>>95891383
Who the fuck is putting any kind of critical value on "creature type integrity"? Especially to the point of inducing such a creative limitation that ALL ALIEN CREATURES MUST BE THE EXACT SAME KIND OF ORGANISM?

>>95891399
Ad hominem with no greater point to it. Faggotry.
Your assertion remains insipid and worthless. You'd make a better argument to not have a space opera set, not to make all its alien creatures a singular variety. You just don't want to own up to the fact that your Weird idea was retarded, huh?

>>95891413
>Who the fuck is putting any kind of critical value on "creature type integrity"?
Wizards, you fuckhead.
Back when they cared about their game.
https://mtg.wiki/page/Creature_type/History#Grand_Creature_Type_Update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/grand-creature-type-update-2007-09-26

>>95891402
I'd kill myself if I were this unfunny.

>>95891432
Consolidation is fine, but Weird is a stupid notion to consolidate Alien into. Alien is much more broad.
If anything, Weird should be consolidated into the Elemental tribe.

>>95891428
>Ad hominem with no greater point to it.
The point is shoo a layman off.
>Your assertion remains insipid and worthless
Buzzwords. Blah blah blah buzzword buzzword.
You do not have any knowledge of games design, or any artistic field whatsoever. This is evident. Your contributions to a conversation about game design have no value.

>>95891445
>Consolidation is fine, but Weird is a stupid notion to consolidate Alien into.
You do not need to consolidate something if you don't add it to begin with, you moron.

>>95891454
Bullshit and hollow, you don't know how to argue, and you think putting on an air of superiority will shoo me off? Get fucked, you look like a moron.

>>95891444
I know i should have made a joke about EPIC SEX AND BOOBA
You guys like epic sex sexy dick in pussy jokes, right?

Also i cast Boobian of the sex by paying one (you). This allows me to be instantly funny and if you're not agrreing with me you're going to jail for puritanny

>>95891464
And they do need to add it for the context of their setting. Glad you've arrived at the point. Unless you want them to not have aliens in the space themed set, in which case, you are retarded.

>>95891479
>and you think putting on an air of superiority will shoo me off
Yes, you are a layman and your argument amounts to "Yeah but, industry best practices established over centuries are, actually, le bad!"
Fuck off.

>>95891491
You really gotta come up with more than repeating yourself, it's the worst strategy imaginable on the internet. You get to be laymanfag forever.

Imagine wasting your time trying to disagree with everyone for (you)s.
Go in the furry generals and say the usual shit. They will give you actual seething responses.

>>95891487
>And they do need to add it for the context of their setting.
A) If you need to ruin your project's core aesthetic and identity to accommodate an idea, it is a bad idea and you have a duty to your creative endeavours to throw it out..
B) They don't need to add it for the setting. They could add something that isn't retarded. If you are dead set on following through with a terrible idea, then at least do it badly, and ESPECIALLY do not abandon the core identity of your project to brute froce shoehorn it in.
C) Even if you are dead set on executing a bad idea, poorly, at least have the good sense to use already existing systems within your project wherever available. To do a bad idea, poorly, and to ALSO add additional chaff and cruft to your project while doing so, is a special trifecta of incompetence reserved only for genuine, balls to the wall, fullest of full retardest retards.

>>95891514
>schizo thinks he is everyone

Edge of Eternities spoilers coming soonish. We have two options regarding this set:
>It's weak like TDM, DFT and FFN and doesn't make an impact on Standard outside of a handful of overtuned cards
>It's strong like BLB and DSK and the meta is shaken up with a new level of powercreep
Which of the two would be preferable to you?

>>95891527
A: irrelevant point, an entirely different argument to be had about whether it SHOULD be done.
B: Nope. Not an option at all. Stupid as fuck to even consider it can be done. More retarded still to think Weird is an acceptable replacement. You can't honestly be thinking this is a valid point, do you? Just do Star Wars without aliens?
C: Weird is not an acceptable "preexisting system" for extraterrestrials, you fuckwit.

>>95891314
I would ragequit after you played a single spongebob land

>>95891536
Wizard's recent track record is awful and I have no hype for this set. The aesthetic is terrible and generic. But, I'll wait to judge. If the cards are cool, the cards are cool. they won't be lmao

>Weak like TDM
Cutter excludes that set from being called weak.

>Which of the two would be preferable to you?
Weak. If we can somehow manage a several-year string of reasonably powered sets, Standard might have a chance of being playable again.

>>95890231
Were it up to me, I'd go scorched earth and ban the following:
>Monstrous Rage
>Cori-Steel Cutter
>Manifold Mouse
>Omniscience
>Up the Beanstalk
>Hopeless Nightmare
With a willingness to unban any of them later on, but at least these many. I'd personally also gladly kneecap the monoblack deck in some ways but that's just cuz I hate playing against it, not because it's overpowered.

>>95891551
>outside of a handful of overtuned cards

>>95891546
>A: irrelevant point,
Yes it is.

>B: Nope. Not an option at all.
Yes it is.

>C: Weird is not an acceptable "
Yes it is.

Great, you made three arbitrary assertions and I replied with three identically arbitrary assertions. Want to get to substantive argumentation now, or should we continue like this?

>>95891536
It would be preferable to get me off this ride.
I'm expecting power creep though

I predict a 2c 4/4 with cycling and deathtouch and when it ETB you get to draw as many cards until you have as much as your opponent
Also i'm sensing Eldrazi

>>95891546
>You can't honestly be thinking this is a valid point, do you? Just do Star Wars without aliens?

>Wookie / Ewok
Beast.

>Porgs
Bird.

>Ayylmaos
Lizard.

Wa la.

Nah, it would be cool if they made Alien.
Not everything needs to mix and synergize with everything like normies who dont know shit about game design but just want to suck their own dicks want

>>95891562
>Yes it is.
Thank you for your concession?
>Yes it is.
No, it really isn't. It's completely nonviable. The base rate of the setting necessitates their existence. The proposal is farcical. To do so would deprive the set of numerous opportunities and expectations.
>Yes it is.
Aliens should not all be creatively stifled to be elementalist entities, and if you are making this as a genuine assertion, I can only laugh at you. The only way you can make this point is because you refuse to admit you made a terrible assertion to begin with.

If it were up to nugic players, every creature would be a changeling

>>95891592
>it would be cool

>>95891582
And then what is Jenova, exactly?
The correct answer is Shapeshifter Horror, but I go against my own point.

>>95891598
>No, it really isn't. It's completely nonviable.
This argument is genuinely psychotic. To claim an impossibility in fictional creative project is so fucking beyond sanity and logic that I struggle to even comprehend how to reply.

Watch this
>Alien Dude
>Creature - Lizard
Your argument has been completely refuted.

>>95891598
>Aliens should not all be creatively stifled to be elementalist entities, and if you are making this as a genuine assertion, I can only laugh at you. The only way you can make this point is because you refuse to admit you made a terrible assertion to begin with.
Being unable to recognize core arguments and getting fixated on the mere superficial aspects of an assertion indicates you are low IQ.

>>95891609
okay but real talk though this image slaps

>>95891622
>To claim an impossibility
Nonviability. Of course you could do it. You could also smear shit on the walls and set fire to an orphanage. I'm sure, somehow, some way, a true genius could even do these things in a masterful and interesting way. But it's a long shot. For the most part? Keep your godawful ideas to yourself.
>Your argument has been completely refuted.
Alright, what's the most classic of all aliens then? What is your little green man? He's certainly not reptilian. Give me a type.
>Being unable to recognize core arguments and getting fixated on the mere superficial aspects of an assertion indicates you are low IQ.
There is nothing superficial about this, you asserted to replace it with a clearly defined and strictly applied preexisting creature type. Warping that now is more violating to integrity than anything else!

>>95891639
>Nonviability. Of course you could do it.
Great, so do it. This isn't hard. Design your set in a way where it works. Wa la.

>>95891639
>Alright, what's the most classic of all aliens then? What is your little green man? He's certainly not reptilian. Give me a type.
Moonfolk.

>>95891639
Argentum ad absurdum.
Apply yourself

hey the Shadowverse sequel just came out.
apparently it is a downgrade from the first one but tries to jew you twice as hard to spend money on their gacha card shit

>>95891681
Did you just.. try and phrase an argument as if it were fallacious? What? Are you that uneducated? Yes, it's an argument from absurdity. No, not every latin phrase means it's a fallacy, you utter incompetent.
Go back to school, please.

>>95891727
Keep seething.

>>95891727
>Yes, it's an argument from absurdity. No, not every latin phrase means it's a fallacy,
kek holy fuck lmao

>>95891428
Did you just.. try and phrase an argument as if it were fallacious? What? Are you that uneducated? Yes, it's just an insult. No, not every latin phrase means it's a fallacy, you utter incompetent.
Go back to school, please.

>>95891750
Ad hominems are typically fallacious. Not always, but usually. They're only non-fallacious when you're talking about stuff rooted in inherent evidence. For example, "don't trust that guy selling crystals as medicine, he's not a doctor".

>>95891617
>Shapeshifter Horror
She's a literal alien. She literally came from outer space.

>>95891765
>He trusts doctors after the blip
>He thinks crystals aren't medicine
shiggy diggy doogy doo

No wonder you have such shit takes on Magic.

>>95891779
>She's a literal alien. She literally came from outer space.
Eldrazi, then. Since that is MTG's term for creatures from the Blind Eternities, and the Blind Eternities (if Goon for Eternity is to be believed) is MTG's version of space.

Jenova is an Eldrazi.

>>95891779
I'm well aware, anon, I'd be willing to assert I am the most versed in FF lore here. But they want alien to not be a type at all, and all extraterrestrial critters to be designated their closest appropriate creature type. (At least that poster did. The other, more retarded poster, wanted them all to be Weirds.)
And I was saying Jenova could fit into that schema, begrudgingly.

>>95891727
Ad absurdums are typically fallacious. Not always, but usually. They're only non-fallacious when you're a seething retard like I am and I decide that they are not.

>>95891536
Strong. Strong enough to destroy the actual meta please. I can't deal with this Low IQ aggro shit anymore...

>>95891790
>I'd be willing to assert I am the most versed in FF lore here.
I bet you don't even know Yuna's best looking dressphere.

>>95891792
No, in fact, they are not. You are now attempting to use "being retarded on the internet" as an argumentative strategy. This is ill-advised.

>>95891796
>Strong. Strong enough to destroy the actual meta please. I can't deal with this Low IQ aggro shit anymore...
Given all options, though I would prefer a long string of reasonably powered sets above all else, excessively busted pure control pieces would be a... minimally acceptable alternative to more aggro enablers.

>>95891536
I'm guessing that it will be super weak again. Spider-Man will be broken, because Spider-Man doesn't have any commander pre-cons and they will try to get sales that way.

>>95891803
They are. Keep seething tho.

>>95891800
Call me cliche, but I do like Gunner the best and think they went right making it her centerpiece and default design for X-2..
If you say Lady Luck I'm calling you a pleb.

Reminder that Arena has historic

>>95891820
>Call me cliche, but I do like Gunner the best and think they went right making it her centerpiece and default design for X-2..
>If you say Lady Luck I'm calling you a pleb.
The correct answer is Gun Mage.
... but you're alright.

>>95891827
dead format
you can queue into literal new starter deck players while you're at the top of the ladder (making it comically easy to farm ladder points lmao)

>>95891836
Good, you get to play kitchen table magic

>>95891827
Plus DRS, dig through time, treasure cruise...

All the kino cards

>>95891859
the format that has them is kind of a high power meme turn 1-2 combo dumpster fire.
show and tell, charbelcher, etc
plus shit like Energy (which was originally a Timeless deck before Modern players ported it to their format) and Lurrus Frog Control with 4x Mana Drains.
all this to say, it's obviously the best Arena Constructed format.

>Sephiroth too weak
>Cloud too slow
>Tifa is just a big meme confirmed
>Kuja completely and absolutely unplayable
>Bob is just a memory
So... Vivi and Yuna are the only cards worth in FF set?

>>95892040
>So... Vivi and Yuna are the only cards worth in FF set?
Vivi is barely clawing his way into lists, and even then it's only on the back of Cutter.
Yuna seems to have found a solid home in the fucking god awful Overlords deck though, yeah.

>>95892040
This gentleman is lobbing hypersonic cactus missiles every way and I am all for it.

>>95892040
>>Sephiroth too weak
He's fine, but admittedly the arisotcrats/raise the past deck doesn't need him, it just enjoys him.

>>95892098
This. 3 MV for his effects is just too much. He competes with several other similar engines that all cost 2 MV for nearly the same effect(s).

>>95892113
You can still slot him in for the card draw. He'll probably get removed, but eh. Sometimes he doesn't, and you get a big fat angel and a shiny emblem that makes everything smoother.
Probably no more than a 2-of though.

>>95891960
>>95892040
Come to historic white man we have vampire waifus

>>95892174
Pioneer had vampire waifus......
.... then it all went downhil......

>Cutter solidly and effortlessly competing with MH1,2, 3 + LotR degeneracy in Legacy and Modern
>inb4 no ban in Standard

FLOURISHING

>>95892231
Two weeks till B&R brother, hold fast

My favorite part about Steel Cutter is using Treasure Cruises and Sleight of Hands on my turn to get a token on my turn, then using Considers and Opts on their turn to get another monk on their turn, then doing it again every turn.

That's two monks per turn cycle, bros! Double Bitterblossom with haste and prowes but they're bigger and also trample and you don't lose life!

How do I make enchantress decks viable?

>>95892318
Runed Halo + Gideon's Intervention except they're not viable anymore because you can't name tokens and everything spams free tokens for no reason now.

>>95892318
Just play Premodern

>>95892318
Enchantress decks are extremely strong in Premodern. Not even memeing here.

>>95892349
>>95892368
Fugggggggggggg

SOON COMBO BROTHERS
WE WILL RISE AGAIN

>>95891136
The thread is already bad enough as it is. Buy an instead.

>>95892441
What game is this?

>>95892441
That's one of the few good posts in this thread, shillbot.

Do people really take being a planeswalker that seriously? Is it autism?

>>95892490
I don't consider spam a good post. You should have higher standards rather than mindlessly eating slop.

>>95892525
Is this a good post?

>>95892506
I don't see how it's any different from "you are a wizard" or "you are a witcher" or any of those other ones.

>>95892227
>then it all went downhil
What happened?

>>95892506
What? Yes. I thought it was a sentence with considerable gravitas. It's a declaration of context. Straying from it would cheapen the experience.

>>95890129 (OP)
To this day this is still the best artwork drawn by Amano for a magic card

>>95892567
>Vampire waifu gets banned
>Entire format turns to shit
A story old as time.

>>95892525
>complains about spam
>proceeds to also constantly spam shit
AMAZING LOGIC, BUDDY

>>95892588
>tfw people actually paid 6,000 dollars for it in foil
>mfw PSA10 is below 500 now and still dropping

Whats the appeal of izzet phoenix in pioneer?
I've using it and I feel like arclight phoenix is just a little too slow to go against other decks. Plus when I get it out on the field by discarding and playing 3 cards it just gets removed and if it gets exiled it's even worse.
I'm getting close to just changing decks to one that interacts with the opponent more.
Do you guys have any tips on how to play izzet phoenix and make the deck feel more fun? Thanks in advance

>>95892705
>Whats the appeal of izzet phoenix in pioneer?
It is an extremely linear deck with literally one wincon (two now with Cutter) so you don't have to think while you play it.

>Do you guys have any tips on how to play izzet phoenix and make the deck feel more fun? Thanks in advance
Variants I've seen success with tend to play play Proft's Eidetic Memory and Artist's Talent, chain wheels and Cruises and end up with 11/10 phoenixes. Only minimally focus on filtering for what you need. Your main goal is to build up draw chains and slam fat haste fists into faces. Works a lot better than dry jamming barebones birds down your opponent's gullet.

Still though, Phoenix sucks ass. It's a linear bore to play against, it has only a single path to victory every single fucking game, and it makes the format worse by existing.

>>95892525
>You should have higher standards rather than mindlessly eating slop.
Just play Premodern?

>>95892660
I saw a psa10 for like 300 on sale yesterday iirc (non foil)

lmao the brazilian poster is getting fucking OWNED

>>95890129 (OP)
>Favorite Saga?
Prose Edda.

Will pioneer ever rise in popularity?
I find it strange that WotC doesn't really care about it since it's the best place to recycle old standard decks. I think that's also a good starting point for beginners who don't like a rotating format but find modern too intimidating and expensive.

>>95892942
Only if Pauper continues to be shit like it currently is.

>>95892942
If they don't kill the format and next year we have competitive scene maybe i know a lot of people playing it on Arena since the format became "official" there. But you know without a real competitive scene is over.

>>95892942
maybe but their main priority right now is getting standard back in people's minds, then they might care about pioneer a bit

I can't anymore.. I rather unban something than keep seeing this shit...

>>95893088
Just play premodern.

>>95893088
I unban her. Now what cryboi?

>>95891218
You mean discard. Outside of singleton mill that isn' self mill needs to run forever to have a strong effect-- or really any effect at all-- on the game.

Mill will win games in limited from small decks.
Mill will win games in commander from long games.
Mill in 60 card constructed has to be dredge-like shit throwing gas into your graveyard specifically to light it. If you're milling your opponent out it's gotta be fucking ultra efficient and it doesn't:
Tell you anything about what they have.
Push them on mana.
Prevent them from casting specific spells.
Do anything to keep them from going off with graveyard effects.

>>95892978
Pauper is probably the best format at the moment

>>95893047
>maybe but their main priority right now is getting standard back in people's minds
Didn't they do already with the FF set?

>>95891205
Mutant is already around, might as well use it. The real travesties are the unprintable UB types, Moogle, "Time Lord", Qu. They take away Viashino but add in that nonsense that they legally can't reference or reprint.

>>95893236
>Didn't they do already with the FF set?
I meant in the competitive sense, but yeah FF is part of the plan to make people care about standard again, the plan isn't finished when a single set releases, they're dedicating 2 RCQ seasons to standard this year, they might give pioneer a chance starting in 2026

>>95892660
>in foil
Sasuga retards, way to cluster the art which is the point of wanting such variant.

>>95892733
I run it with thing in the ice.

How do we make tribes matter again? FF had some decently powerful humans but the deck remains dead as fuck

>>95893494
She slots into Pioneer soldier tribal.

>You can use any card in the set for your Midweek Magic this week
>Can try out any random brew without investing in wildcards.
>Let’s just netdeck the best ones

WHY???? For two uncommons and a card style.
Netdeckers can go suck my dick.

>>95893882
I'm weeping seeing how i can play Kuja but i can't do it in real Magic... Why make such cool mechanic as Mages and then make them unplayable?

>>95893925
What are you talking about, he's legendary so he can be your coomander in Magic's largest and most important format.

>>95893925
What >>95893954 said. If you're gonna give in and buy UBslop might as well play EDH with it.

>>95893954
>>95893963
Is an idea... A terrible one, but an idea i guess.

>>95893882
>complaining about netdeckers
/mtgag/ is that way fellow, Mr.reddit.

Mail is finnaly here!

>>95893882
lol first match i had was vs a yuna deck. makes me sick.

>>95892506
>I hate the fundamental basis for a game I don't understand
>Change it for me!
>Coming right up!
t. JotC most certainly

Mark my words: by next year this game will be on the way out. The actions JotC have taken for the past year are exactly what a company does while it's flailing right before its IP dies.

>>95894462
Those better be some premodern cards.

>>95894698
people have been saying that for years

What in god's name is this?

>>95894718
The last Nazgûl I need, Orkish Bowmasters, and the Nazgûl Battle-mace for my Sauron deck.

>>95894829
Not premodern but acceptable purchases. Nicely done.

My four most expensive cards. I need to buy more collectors

>>95894742
No they haven't. Shut the fuck up, shillbot. Now let me break down to you how a company dies. And let's keep in mind that every single thing that JotC has promised in the past 5-10 years it has totally 100% lied about and at an increasing speed:

1: The game in all formats is totally unplayable now, and they won't stop making it worse. In fact, they just changed combat to make the game EVEN MORE aggressive and are now just straight up intentionally printing multiple infinite combos right in standard
2: The art has tanked for a decade. This means JotC are trying to save money by hiring cheaper third world artists. A successful company doesn't do this.
3: The card design has very obviously taken a hit. This implies the design team(s) have had some sort of shake up. And we know what that was, don't we? Which brings us to
4: The layoffs. Like all failed corposhits (yidsney), JotC has been doing round after round of layoffs for about a year or so now. This is not what successful companies do. There's also the financial reports to shareholders which sound like funeral services.
5: All programming for Arena has been sent out of country. To "canada" supposedly, but I think we all know pajeets are the target and boy does it show. Bugs and translation error shit are now an expected part of the game. Arena has become nearly unfunctional slop and the laziness and incompetence are really starting to show. Keep in mind Arena is one of the products JotC are relying most heavily on. Oh and every player now knows the shit app cheats like a motherfucker. Oh and also, ever since the introduction of Alchemy (fake cards) the game HALVED in users.

>>95894997
6: IP whoredom. At this point I'm convinced other companies are actually PAYING JotC to make these shit UB sets as a form of advertising. We know they don't have the money to PAY for them. That's for sure. Yidsney has walked this path also, which is why they are also failing (but all corpos are propped up by dark money sources now so it's irrelevant), which brings me to
7: Lying about profits. The new tactic for JotC is to play tricks instead of making money in order to allay shareholder concerns. Things like severely limiting supplies of product so they can go "SEE!! IT ALL SOLD OUT!! MTG IS THRIVING!!" are normal, but what's really bad is them openly, outright lying like how they claim FF is the best selling set of all time which is literally not possible. Yidsney has been doing this since Black Pander and Captain Toe Fungus when they started lying about them being billion dollar films, when everyone knew they weren't.

If this company were doing so well, I wouldn't be able to list this much horrific shit off the top of my head. We haven't even gotten into all the toxic DIE bullshit or how JotC keep telling players the game isn't for them and to stop buying it (because this is the favorite CIA corpobot talking point now). And I'm sure there's a million other things I forgot. Literally every potential customer knows that JotC are an objectively shitty company now. Fuck even jewtuber shills obviously being paid for content are now going "Gee...I don't know about these latest changes, guys." You know shit is tragic when your own shills are publicly skeptical. This game is all but over. MARK MY FUCKING WORDS. Next year.

>>95894829
Kill yourself

Just play premodern, lmao.

>>95894997
lol
>>95895010
lmao

Should I sell my surge foil Tifa, Martial Artist? I would have said obviously a few days ago when it was 200 USD but now it's 500 USD. When's the top?

>>95895260
I sell when I can buy either a Booster Box or immediately at Collector's Booster tier.

At this point, what IP could rival Final Fantasy?

>>95895337
Idk but the consoomer in me wants Berserk

>>95895260
Lol are these prices coming from real people? Nobody is paying 500 fucking dollars for transparent IP slop like this shit. Those are Alpha card prices.

>>95895337
Zelda maybe.
That's a shit ton of Links though.
>Link, Hero of Legend
>Link, Hero of Time
>Link, Hero of Winds
>Link, Hero of Twilight
Et cetera
The Four Sword having Myriad is absolutely kino though.

>>95895378
what alpha card is 500 dollars? i'll buy it right now

This is the funniest lockdown I've played in a long time.
>Garnet removes counter
>Princess removes creature
>Garnet removes counter
>Princess removes creature

>>95895402
Lots of cards.

https://scryfall.com/card/lea/231/basalt-monolith

>>95895418
that's surprisingly cheap

>>95895435
So yeah, now JotC expects us to believe some fake LARP player-made slop cards are worth 2x an Alpha Basalt Monolith. Uh-huh. Just like how OMG NOBODY COULD CONNECT TO ARENA DURING FF LAUNCH!!!! except his literally never happened and it worked fine the entire time.

>>95892427
Not soon enough

Do not invest in Final Fantasy slop.
The prices will drop a lot in a month or two. This is just FOMO.

>>95895802
your gold serialized borderless sephiroth bro?

Do not invest.

>tfw kicking myself for selling all those quicksilver elementals (I had at least 20 of them) in a lot years ago
It's not that big of a deal, but still...

>>95894771
Sponsored content as in
>wotc sent the cunt free shit
or bad financial decisions as in
>wow i bet if i buy this expensive shit and make a video on it i will rake in mad ad revenue
Adblockers really are a godsend

>>95891836
It used to be popular. Back before Alchemy.

>>95895964
>adblockers
Why don't you just print your own rare sheets and cut your own magic cards then? If you like stealing free content that much

>FF cards not falling in price
It's over

>>95895981
Wizards straight up lies about format popularity, alchemy has more players than historic but is pretty barren, historic is straight up dead and you wouldn't even be able to find a game if it didn't put you against obvious bots and new players on starter decks (or worse), same with not-pioneer. Only standard and brawl have a healthy number of players

Somehow MTGO has more players in various formats than Arena does, hell you could probably find real players on cockatrice coordinating via some 1990s bbs forum sooner than a real historic game

>>95895337
The Elder Scrolls.
Elden Ring.
Uhh.. little else comes to mind.

You don't honestly buy slop, do you?
Do you?

>>95896031
two of the top slots on steam charts right now go to bongo cat and banana

>>95896031
lol little retard kiddie who can only think and speak in internet buzzwords

>Check mtgtop8 to see the new state of standard
>Diversity is going down in favor of the usual decks, with only one Final Fantasy card added to each of them, if any
>The only off-meta deck increasing in popularity is mono black (at least until Sheoldred and Archfiend rotate out)
Can't wait to watch WotC burn it all to the ground before EoE, unless they're fine with the Final Fantasy audience giving up on the game after just one set.

>>95895337
It’d never happen but a Pokemon one would be the end times.
>>95895010
>captain toe fungus
Thanks, I needed image in my head again…..

>>95896075
sheoldred and archfiend are too slow for standard

>>95895337
AND IT'S....

**clap clap clap**
thank you, thank you everyone
just wanna say one more thing before I go
is that camera over there?
**silent nod**
Here, come closer
Closer
just a little more
.
.
PREMODEEEEEEEEEERN

>>95896116
Unironically is the best format right now.

>TQ
Finally started playing Pioneer a week ago, playing a homebrew monowhite deck and I have to say birth of Meletis has felt really much better than I expected, also played it in its standard run where it always preformed. I just added Restoration of Eiganjo, haven't used it yet but I can see it also being a favorite.
How do people feel about the idea of transformative sideboards? I never built a deck in any format that would try that but the above mentioned brew seems like it can take advantage of that kind of sideboard.

>>95892942
>Will pioneer ever rise in popularity?
It was rising steadily up until WotC just completely stopped supporting it for no reason.

>>95896172
Yeah that's some bullshit historic is sub 1%

>>95895984
That do sound like something those type of delusional retards would say.
In response:
No one forced your broke ass to go buy 2k worth of cardboard because you thought you would make mad money off of it opening it on the internet.
I google big boob i get 6 million results, don't need to see your botox ass face either. Sit down and walk away.

>>95896000
They lie about everything these days.

>>95896110
This slut should have maintained his child-safe pure image. I can't masturbate to him anymore. He's just a prostitute now.

>>95896000
It's insane how many "players" i match with in pioneer and brawl who either have only cards from a set or foundations.
They never mulligan, never have dead draws, always have the specific response, never see them light up cards, take a long time to do basic shit like drop a land on turn 1 and don't even respond to emotes.
Also i never match with the same person ever.

Pic related
Imagine; out of 99 cards, they always get the shit they need to get their shit playing automatically and establish huge board presence.
Fag could've won turns ago but too afraid of losing a single creature despite having the auto reanimation.
Roped the bot and still fucking nothing; no checking cards, no emotes, nothing, didn't even scoop.

If you start doing math you'll figure out how such plays are statistically fucking retarded that a lot of "players" seemingly have their dicks sucked by the game this hard.

Not only have we to deal with the bs this card game has become, but with bots and rigged shufflers as well.
If MTGO wasn't literally outfuckingdated 1990 sims and required you to spend money on it, i'd be playing that.
Automatic sims are good because it makes resolving cards automatic and spending money on digital rectangles is fucking retarded, even more than buying cardboard.

i swear theres some sort of algo that matches you against people who are running counters to your deck

Still a lot of retooling and digging to do to find the exact right pieces, but this brew feels great. Several infinite combos, enough filtering to dig for them, and a robust gameplan without any combos online.
Potential solutions for aggro include Wildgrowth Walkers and more explore, but also the deck can spiral out of control and just body their pumped attackers on the board surprisingly quickly. Obviously, better solutions can come with further brewing.

Sage of Hours has potential here too, as we can pump a ton of counters very quickly. Rootwire Amalgam simultaneously feels like the best and worst card in the deck, will likely end up as a 1- or 2-of for that surprise 36/36 haste threat.

Still jank, but it has real potential to explode out of control or just combo right past you.

>>95896172
As someone who used to play a lot of Explorer and has been playing a lot of Historic lately just because the current Pioneer/Standard/Timeless metas are so heinous, these graphs never made sense to me. It's common to see Mythic:Platinum mismatches or worse in Historic. You also run into an unusual number of people playing ultra casual Soul Warden/Ajani's Pridemate decks. Alchemy is even worse—every time I've watched crokeyz try to shill the format he ends up queueing into starter deck bronzies in Mythic. You never see that in the Explorer queue.

The only way these numbers can make sense to me is if like 90% of MTGA's playerbase is actually in the 250 card deck retard abyss, and Explorer's self-selection effects for enfranchised players are so strong that when you filter for top 10% MMR, the graph looks wildly different.

>>95895375
So a set that takes 30 years to make and not even finish?

>I don't like Commander
>Pauper is utter shit right now
>Pioneer is fucking dead
>Vintage is broken ass unbalanced shit
>Modern is Cori-Steel Cutter
Is premodern, an actual fake format, the only existing viable option that's fun left to play in this stupid IP driven game?

>>95896190
WotC abandoned the format years ago by refusing to curate the format. There are just so many design mistakes in Pioneer, that to even begin to fix all the play pattern problems, they'd have to ban at minimum 10+ cards, or print way better interaction that they refuse to print into Standard. They won't do either, so they just gave up until the attendance numbers were low enough that they could pull the plug. Letting Sorin Vein Ripper run wild for 8 months was WotC's idea of a mercy killing.

>>95896381
Whether you enjoy this game is entirely up to you

If you choose to play bullshit decks in Arena tryhard queues and get faced against similarly metadecking fags and algorithm counters and ropers, you are bringing that upon yourself
You could be playing paper commander at your LGS and enjoying it
You could be playing MTGO with the awesome playerbase and enjoying it
You could even play retarded troll decks in Arena and guess what, it puts you into the retard troll queue where you can enjoy them.

Its your own damn fault your deck loses to high noon on turn 2

can't believe legacy content creators are deadset on getting oops banned cause it hurts their feefees

How much are Collector Booster Boxes worth?
Might actually be worth farming them on Arena from this event

been trying to make a gilgamesh deck. looks like ardyn is the best way so far

>>95896407
isn't Vivi the card that Soul Cauldron decks should be brewing around now?

>>95896479
at least it makes more sense than Island Ponder Weep getting Eldrazi and 8Post removed from the format

>>95896422
Have you considered it takes into account all formats that are split. For example each format can split into ranked or unranked and best of 1 or best of 3. So explorer would be filled with people in ranked while Alchemy would be fill with people in unranked.

>>95896490
Unless you're absolutely cracked at draft and willing to deal with months of delays on delivery if their support doesn't fuck up entirely and lose your collectors box, sure why not. What could go wrong?

Any time past the first queue you're going to go 0 and 2 unless you really fucking know what you're doing.

>>95896512
Simic brew anon would never put a disgusting UR card in his deck

>>95896407
what are your actual graveyard discard outlets though
just grifter + seeker to expensively loot away?

how does marketback walker stack up, with training grounds its still 2 mana per counter, though it would help go infinite if you had the 'add mana equal to power' setup. It gets into your graveyard as a 0 mana card after all

>>95896490
>>95896553
These are worth doing, to turn an excess of gems from being an infinite limited grinder into actual money. If that's not you, do not buy gems to play these.
If you really want to gamble, go play modo or slots.

>>95896342
literal millions of games have been analyzed by aggregators like untapped, the shuffler is extremely fair
the only rigging was in bo1 opening hands and only in early mtg before it was removed since people were metagaming it with 12 land red decks

>>95896458
Premodern, Middle School, Old School, Cube

>>95896585
>>95896553
I am a top percentile drafter yeah
although I never play Sealed
wondering about the EV of this vs Arena Opens

what format is gonna be the next big thing once normies get commander fatigue?

>>95896342
bro...
the "bots" that play slow and don't mouse over anything are just retards on the mobile client they released a while back

any substitutions I should make to this list


>4 Cecil, Dark Knight
>4 Spyglass Siren
>4 Harrier Strix
>4 Bilious Skulldweller
>4 Mockingbird
>3 Snaremaster Sprite
>2 Battlefly Swarm
>2 Engine Rat
>1 Tinybones, the Pockpocket
>1 Ashnod, Flesh Mechanist
>4 Gix, Yawgmoth Praetor
>4 Enduring Curiosity
>3 Kaito, Cunning Infiltrator
>4 Swamp
>4 Gloomlake Verge
>4 Darkslick Shores
>4 Underground River
>4 Starting Town

>>95896630
Foundations + FF block constructed

>>95896683
still has izzet prowess decks with balmor, drake hatcher, opera lovesong, planisphere, quick study
still has autowin reanimator with only soul guide lantern to keep it in check and nearly full power thanks to ardyn and zombify
mono green birds basically unchanged from standard, has llanowar elves, snakeskin veil, order of nylea, tifa, hydra and the full choco package + bushwhack

>>95891340
God i hate the robots subtype

>reanimate ardyn with cactus in graveyard
>opponent just hits ardyn with doom blade

>reanimate etali
>cascade into more wombos and reanimates
>snowball into a lethal damage that gets around a removal spell before opponent can untap

>>95896714
>>opponent just hits ardyn with doom blade
Sir..
Ardyn is a black creature.

>Decide to try my hand at cacophony scamp
>Consistent turn 3 win in standard with a deck full of 1 drop
It's hilarious. God this game went to shit. I miss Invasion.

>>95896795
there are like 10 decks threatening turn 3 kills now
there are about 4 decks capable of turn 2 kills with god draws too

>>95890129 (OP)
>>TQ
>Favorite Saga?
Urza's Saga. Haha.

>>95890129 (OP)
>TQ
Portrait of Michiko

Sorry if this is the wrong thread, but does anyone have recommendations on cheap boxes to hold bulk? I'm surprised at the price on amazon and ebay.

>>95896908
amazon prices are inflated by the shipping costs. You go on any card focused trading platform and you'll find them at half prices.
I'd recommend getting a job

>>95895399
>Zelda maybe
Nintendo would never. Have they ever done a collaboration with any other brand? I think maybe only the zelda and mario lego sets.
If they would be bothered to print Zelda cards they would probably just build their own tcg.

>>95896960
I am wealthy, just not willing to spend $15 for a cardboard box.
But thanks for the advice, I checked my LGS's webstore and they have 3200-card bulk boxes for $4. I'll have my chauffeur stop us by after brunch.

>>95896972
shouldn't have posted this info online.
I've paid off your chauffeur to crash the limo en route so I can buy that $4 empty cardboard box.

So which are the FF cards that made into actual decks?

>>95896342
When you see nothing but cards from one set, those are ads masquerading as decks.

Alright, tired of this bullshit jewish game's incessant cheating. Uninstalled. And frankly, JotC isn't giving me ANY reason to reinstall it or even pay any attention to the death of this wretched game.

>>95897005
>Yuna
>Vivi
That's it.

>>95897343
Wow, this was for sure a hell of a set

>>95896708
>Legendary Artifact Creature - Alien Robot Gamer
Ah yes, MTG.

>>95896031
Nope, I don't.

>>95896579
>what are your actual graveyard discard outlets though
The Connives and Explores yes. So far I haven't seen too much issue with filling the 'yard. 80% of the time they just kill shit for you, due to how threatening having something stick on the board is. I used to run more filtering effects but have steadily cut them down to this. Dropping a few Rootwire Amalgams might find more filtering brought in though.

>how does marketback walker stack up
It's great but doesn't provide anything. Rootwire amalgam literally just clean one-shots people by slapping it under a Cauldron. Twitching Doll combos off. Walker kind of just gets fat then dies, which is very strong but also not your opponent being literally dead right now.

>>95896964
>Have they ever done a collaboration with any other brand?
They did let the Crypt of the NecroDancer dev make a Legend of Zelda spinoff

How much could I get out of these boxes? It's 90% booster chaff, basic lands, and half a box's worth of un cards and MAYBE some cards worth more than 10 cents

>>95898477
$5

>>95898477
3.50.

>>95890129 (OP)
I just got back into magic for the first time since 2019 and I really, really want to get back out of magic.

why this place is so dead? is this the ub effect?

>>95898681
Wizards Of The Con have killed every format outside of Eat Dicks and Hug / Complainmander that isn't on arena. Of course it's dead. Magic The Gathering, the 60 card / 4 copies / sideboarded card game played on a table with flesh and blood people, doesn't exist anymore.

>>95898681
No enough people playing Premodern

Why did it take people almost the entire rotation of this card to realize its the most degenerate enabler in the whole format?

>zombify
>abuelo's awakening
gg go next

>>95898477
I'd take it off of you for 3 cents per card.

>>95899418
ha ha I'd... I'd have to count them all first.
One of those smaller boxes is JUST green cards

>>95899549
I'm half joking btw
if you could sell it to me, i'd actually buy it
You should still get to counting and organize that shit if you want to get rid of it

>>95898882
I wasn’t paying attention to standard back when this set came out, but I’m almost certain very few people think about any of the non-rare sieges anymore. Sieges in general just seemed like a mistake, and I’m not surprised people completely ignore them nowadays, regardless of their etb. At best, they’re win-more cards, and at worst, they’re mediocre spells that can’t be recast without some sort of “return target non land permanent to its owners hand” spell. The only thing they realistically contribute to the cake is a unique card type for delirium, which is fairly irrelevant when most decks would rather run Tarfire for that attribute.

>>95899630
>cake
Goddamn autocorrect outing me like that.

PT week and this place is like a graveyard. Good work JOTC.

All that anyone plays at my closest LGS is fucking Commander. There's two draft events this month, and that's it. What in the goddamn fuck do I have to do to play Standard in paper magic?
>inb4 just play arena
It's just not the same

>>95899699
>What in the goddamn fuck do I have to do to play Standard in paper magic?
Find a friend group that plays standard and join them

>>95898681
we are 2 weeks after the hype of a new set release and 2 weeks before the hype of a new B&R
I think we are getting some previews of the next set on friday but to put it simply: there's nothing exciting to talk about at the moment

>>95899630
Thing about battles is that they are just fucking sorceries with a different typeline
That's it

Unique card for delirium. Don't work with sorcery-type-matters effects, but do work with permanent-matters effects. You can't cast a free invasion of ergamon with founding the third path or recur it, but you can grab it with cache grab and it counts +1 towards squirming emergence
Its such an insanely poorly designed mechanic. The only time people actually flip battles is when its not relevant, like if a control deck already has an advantaged board state or someone is in pure desperation mode with a sub-alpha strike
I think the ONLY battle anyone actually attacked as a gameplan was invasion of gobblecock and boy was that an annoying plan, they'd get a tax, grow & protect effect all in one card. But it completely vanished off the face of the metagame thanks to temporary lockdown + sunfall

And yet, invasion of erdogan president of turkey exists and enables too many degenerate turn 3 kills
like picrel

>>95899888
Also worth pointing out not just delirium but a few other oddball stuff like Portent of Calamity and Atraxa

Yo what if we made a hearthstone card in an already powerful archetype that also self-synergizes?

Remind me what's the logic behind allowing alchemy exclusive cards in brawl?

>>95900182
>CARD
>creature
>whenever you do thing, get value
>whenever this creature {enters and/or attacks and/or other creatures attack} do thing
>P/T on/above curve
every fucking time
jesus every fucking time
its the post-fire hellscape

>>95900205
dont forget
>3cmc 4/4

>Come back to magic
>All discussions I read are about "commander" and "EDH"
>Check the memes, youtube shorts & shit
>It's people being miserable & bitchy about table politics or people lying about their next turn
Wtf it's a duel game why do these retards play it another way and then get mad because it doesn't work? Fucking scrubs.

>die Juden der Küste is actively ruining the game with their new releases
In response, I tap all my lands to make all their post-2003 releases illegal. Cool stuff and a great format. Make sure to proxy all the cards you need with the old art and play with your friends or just run cockatrice for free.
>>95898882
>>zombify
>doesn't give the creature the type zombie
Truly the greatest mistake in MTG card design. Otherwise it's not too bad. Just swords the creature or burn your opponent down. Might as well play something that wins you the game faster like exhume or
>>abuelo's awakening
There's worse like Replenish. But unlike the current iteration of MTG, it takes a bit more work to pull of the replenish deck in premodern.
>>95899699
>What in the goddamn fuck do I have to do to play Standard in paper magic?
You don't. Proxy a bunch of premodern decks and get your friends to play them with you. Though if you insist on playing a format as broken and unbalanced as standard, there's always cockatrice for free.

>>95900223
>>>P/T on/above curve
That's not even as offensive as the 2 mana creatures that self-combo and attack for 3+
Inti Seneschal of the Sun, Fear of Missing Out, Gev Scaled Scorch, Generous Plunderer, Sidequest Raise a Chocobo, Zahur

hey fun fact did you know Third Path Iconclast is still legal in standard and NOBODY is running it with izzet prowess?

>>95900182
nom

>>95900348
>hey fun fact did you know Third Path Iconclast is still legal in standard and NOBODY is running it with izzet prowess?
fun fact
i do

he's been busted for a long time but other cards in standard are just faster

updated for 2025 meta

Fire Path Iconoclast {UR}
Creature - Human Monk
Haste, Prowess
When Fire Path Iconoclast enters or attacks, exile the top card of your library. If its a noncreature spell you may cast it this turn.
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, create a 1/1 white Monk creature token with prowess. If Fire Path Iconoclast is attacking, that token enters tapped and attacking.
2/2

>>95899888
>they are just fucking sorceries with a different typeline
>do work with permanent-matters effects
>The only time people actually flip battles is when its not relevant
Yeah that's what I was trying to get at, but you summed it up better.
>I think the ONLY battle anyone actually attacked as a gameplan was invasion of gobblecock and boy was that an annoying plan
The temporary hand attack one? I guess that makes sense, seems like a really annoying effect if you can flip it.
>>95899897
Also works with Kefka, though for Kefka it just guarantees you'll get two cards from his etb. I wonder if he'll see play if aggro gets shut down, I've seen a lot of people online talking about wanting to make a control deck with him.

>>95900545
If kefka was a deck you'd really want to be discarding cards with 2+ types so you can get extra draw from him. artifact/enchantment creatures or even scene of the crime / valgavoth's lair but they suck

STANDARD UPDATE TIME
>STANDARD UPDATE TIME
STANDARD UPDATE TIME
>STANDARD UPDATE TIME
STANDARD UPDATE TIME
>STANDARD UPDATE TIME
STANDARD UPDATE TIME
>STANDARD UPDATE TIME
STANDARD IS FLOURISHING. I REPEAT
>FLOURISHING
>30% CUTTER
>18% MICE
MOST CUTTER DECKS ARE VIRTUALLY UNCHANGED OTHER THAN VIVI OCCASIONALLY.
MICE ONLY GOT THE OPERA AND "SELF DESTRUCT"
VIRTUALLY UNCHANGED FROM MORE THAN A WEEK AGO
>14% OMNISCIENCE
DECK UNCHANGED
>13% DIMIR MIDRANGE
ONLY PICKED UP CECIL AT BEST. BOB REMAINS ALMOST UNUSED

75% AGGRO
>75% AGGRO
75% AGGRO
>75% AGGRO
75% AGGRO
>75% AGGRO
75% AGGRO
>75% AGGRO

HECKIN FLOURISHING! BEST STANDARD EVER. FF UB WAS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL MTG SET EVER. JUST THINK OF THE SCALPING PROFITS GOY!

meds

>>95900647
Just play Premodern

>>95900647
And some faggots ask why no one is talking... What's there to say? This game is fucking cooked man, but you will find retards saying "Aggro" is a good archetype that should be encouraged

At his point they might as well stop designing 3c+ cards

>>95900684
>>95900676
BUT HECKIN EDGE OF ETERNITY WILL BE GREAT RIGHT? AI ART/CARD DESIGN AND GETTING BACK THAT BOLAS VILLAIN ARC RIGHT?!

>>95900182
Dinosaurs need this though

>>95900726
dinosaurs need to be banned

>>95900647
Oh nice! I'm so glad my choices are *check notes* Red or... Red splashed or...Lose miserably? Wew man...

I WANT ALIENS

I WANT ROBOTS

I want my LGS to run a train on my gf

>>95900775
Let me guess. Commander is your favorite format?

I want to be free from this addiction

>>95900647
turn 2 invasion of ergamon turn 3 zombify
turn 2 invasion of ergamon turn 3 abuelo's awakening
checkmate

>>95900864
OH NO HE PULLED OFF THE COMBO THAT HAS A 5% CHANCE OF BEING SEEN IN ANY GAME
RED IS DEAD!
RED IS DEAD!!!!!!!!

>>95900684
>but you will find retards saying "Aggro" is a good archetype that should be encouraged
Aggro is a good archetype that is needed for a good meta. But holy shit it's utterly degenerate right now.

I quit around Eldraine and I recall embercleave being oppressive, but it was still in a better balanced deck than "dump all my 1 mana cost card on turn 3 and win no matter what"

>>95900887
you know the odds to get a 4-of card in any given hand is 40% right
>2 mulligans and you've got 78% chance to find ergamon
>get to see 10 cards deep to find zombify by turn 3 (52%)
>can discard any of a whole bunch of cards in your deck to win

>>95900914
>that is needed for a good meta.
Sorry but i disagree >>95900647 This is what happens when you have Aggro being "Good" you have a dead game. No Combo, No Control, Nothing at all, just a bunch of monkey seeing who can win faster. Thanks but fuck this Aggro and every Aggro player.

>>95900946
>a 4-of card in any given hand is 40% right
You need more than ONE card of a given type to combo right? The more particular your hand is the lower, much much lower it gets. You're at less than 10 percent to pull of a combo that requires THREE OR MORE CARDS. You fucking retards. It's like the people who say putrid imp is OP because you can DR into imp into discard big shit into exhume on turn one. You have to have five specific cards in hand including the land which is less than 5% chance. Talking about getting combos like that is retarded.

It takes usually 3+ turns of active digging most of the time to run combos. Whereas Mice and cutter probably already won because they don't necessarily rely on one combo.

>>95900989
Except it doesn't, when you can use redundant pieces in a combo
You don't need a 4-of, another 4-of, another 4-of

You can have multiple reanimate spells, multiple reanimate targets, multiple discard targets. And you can have different permutations that wind up killing on turn 3

>>95900951
You miss my point: aggro isn't "good" right now, it's broken.

>>95900989
Not when the combo is a single reanimator card. Omniscience & zombify decks are only "combo" in the sense of setting up an unstoppable turn, but really, they only involve milling yourself until omniscience/that big baddy is in the graveyard, then you hit your combo (cast a single 4-mana spell)

>play pionner
>aggro creature spam with etb and resource generation
>play standard
>aggro creature spam
>play brawl
>creature spam aggro that you need board wipes by t3
What's the point of making spells if everyone is just going to play 2 cost creatures that generate infinite resources and if you remove one another one is going to be played?

>>95901186
Small price to pay for the vision of wanting more permanents/boardstate. All of them still get rekt by fow/daze + no shocklands despite being 3 decades old.

>>95901234
like look at this shit
by turn 5 it's already over because 3drop that makes tokes and gets more power the more creatures there are

You just have to play creatures and removal
what a fucking bore

>>95901111
>a single reanimator card
What are you going to reanimate? You need to have a card in your graveyard. That means either you are able to do something turn 1 which puts a card, the specific card you want to reanimate into your graveyard. So you have to have something for that and be lucky enough that whatever you're self-milling/discarding, etc. puts what you want in the top 3 cards of your library (unlikely too). That's two cards within the top 10. So not 52% but more like 25% or less. And then we have the invasion which is a 3rd card within the top 7 or in the top hand+mill+1-2 but not top whatever is able to be self-milled if anything at all. So no. It's not a "one-card combo." It's a 3+ card combo. Most of the time you're not going to see it in you top 10 and will have to build a deck that lets you dig and hopefully get out the combo with no issue or which you can delay into turn 7-8 so that you can actually draw and play the combo. Unless you're saying that you're going to cheat every game so that you always see the combo. Good luck with that.

>>95901254
Try Pauper if you want long grindy games and not only creatures vs removal being viable.
What's your opinion of Timeless if it has to be on Arena?

>>95901259
There are different builds that can all combo off in one turn

Abuelos doesn't just target omniscience, it targets the world spell, one with the multiverse or even dracogenesis. Zombify can target gisath/etali/carnosaur/ghalta and pop off in a dinosaur shell, or it can target ardyn who gets cactus or whatever else
And then there are multiple reanimate spells. And multiple ways to discard and ramp

look at these turn 3 kills all with different lines
>t2 ergamon, t3 abuelo
>t1 elves, t2 seize the spoils, t3 campus restoration
>t1 molt tender, t2 cache grab, t3 abuelo
>t1 molt tender, t2 cache grab elves, t3 repair recharge
etc etc
all the redundancy you want

>I can't scape from Red to any format
>Forced to play over efficient removal to have a slim chance of not being overwhelmed by superpowerful creatures or busted token generator
>All is fast games excep that weird case where i find another game designed with those matches in mind and we have to wait for turn 2 to actually play a real Magic game after we side away our tons of removal
Yep, this game is a fucking nightmare. I had hopes for FF but i'm seeing only Cecil (ocasionally), Vivi and Yuna. Wake me up when WotC makes at least 5 bans and 3 of them hit red cards.

>>95901312
Leyline of Ressonance + 2 Lands Hands that kill you on T2 in Pioneer & Standard:

Cacophony Scamp + any 2 Pump Spells | without blocker
Cacophony Scamp + Monstrous Rage + any Pump Spell | dead even with a 0/4 blocker

Cacophony Scamp/Heartfire Hero/Fireblade Charger + Pump Spell + Burn Together

>>95901287
Timeless is on arena tho
I don't really know what you mean by that

But formats where everything is allowed just turn into more degenerate non-games where you're forced to play yugioh and negate their combo pieces before they can do their thing and hope they dont negate your negate

>always the fucking answer
>no dead draws
>snowball into fucking snowballing into more snowballing
flourishing btw

>>95901386
T1 leyline of resonance, cacophony scamp. T2 any 2 pump spells that add up to +6

but also

T1 leyline of guildpact, cacophony scamp, T2 2x gaea's might
and
T1 molt tender or llanowar elves, T2 manifest dread or growing dread, splash portal, pop off

any other standard legal combos I'm missing

>>95901312
With enough redundancy, you won't have enough cards to win with and in the 80% of games you can't mill into something that wins you the game will result in you losing against all the decks that just have to put a creature into play and attack. Geeze, I wonder why the tournament viable omniscience decks are only running one combo and then a bunch of stuff to either get it out, delay the game until it can be gotten out, and then finally put something down to win with. Because the more complicated your deck is, the more colors you run in order to enable all your redundancy, the less consistently the deck will run in general and hence the less likely you will be able to pull of any of your lines which you failed to account for. Creature aggro beats it most of the time.

And no, I don't care that you play only Arena best-of-one that tends to rig games in favor of combo decks. Doesn't work that way IRL. Go to your containment thread.

>>95901610
>combo only works because rigging and not in paper
lmao

>>95901545
Seems pretty shitty anon, looks like Shuffler fuck you, but also Sephiroth? Is a bad card, anon.

>>95901658
>>only works
Your odds of it working consistently are much lower than the odds of a red deck killing you in three or fewer turns.

>lock down commander with trapped in the sanctum
>drops enchant that makes a 2/2 vigil token and untap creatures
bro you can't make this shit up goddamn
>>95901684
bro i'm just trying to fucking play something
i play 40 lands and 10 card draws i still get fucked
The whole game is rigged

>>95901710
Except you got it completely fucking backwards
Arena rigs the shuffler in favor of AGGRO decks, not combo.
Combo decks care about getting specific cards and need to mulligan for finding them, which they can prioritize even over a solid curve of spells. They can win the game while missing land drops or playing land into nothing for a turn or two. Even if they don't have all the lands they need, they can dig for them with spells. Say UW omni has a hand with 2x lands, abuelos, moment of truth & confounding riddle. That's a huge chance to curve out and win because you'll see 7 cards deep for omni and lands

Aggro decks are immensely helped by the way arena draws multiple hands and makes a weighted choice for the one with a closer balance of lands/nonlands to the deck composition. That means aggro is more likely to curve out every turn.
An aggro deck that misses its timing window in the first few turns can't do shit. Its turn 4 and you've got 2 lands and play an emberheart challenger and attack for 2? Lmao

>>95901751
>Arena rigs the shuffler
Back to your containment thread.

>>95901767
Double nigger you are the one posting about arena >>95901610

How the fuck are they expecting people to drop money on arena if they make you play against card generating bots and rigging shit?
I mean, it's making me regret buying actual cards the more i play this fucking slot machine.

>>95901751
>An aggro deck that misses its timing window in the first few turns can't do shit.
It doesn't miss it's timing window. If playing best-of-one the aggro deck just has to drop its lands down to 13 to make sure it gets enough lands but not too many in order to exploit the shuffler. Meanwhile the player should be replacing those 9 lands with even more damage. It's not going to miss its timing window. It's going to smash you in the face on turn 2+3 for your life total and more. Any competent Arena player will do this.
>They can win the game while missing land drops or playing land into nothing for a turn or two
I'm sure if you're lucky enough with your match ups you'll be able to afford to do nothing for a couple of turns. That being said, if you're playing a good combo deck, you won't be doing nothing if you have the chance to. You'll be using that time to keep digging through the deck.
>Arena rigs the shuffler in favor of AGGRO decks
The reason this is so is because the Aggro deck can drop down to 13 cards as before while putting more +X/+0 cards and another one mana cost haste creature that gets bigger while being almost guaranteed to either have a 6 or 7 card opening hand with at most 2-3 land draws and everything else being what it needs to win.
>>95901312
>redundancy
You don't want a deck full of redundancy. You want one or two combos that win you the game and then the rest of the deck being control and dig so you can consistently stay alive long enough to be able to play your combo and while trying to pump it out as efficiently as possible. Most of the time, you'll draw all the wrong combo pieces with each other and will be able to do little about it other let the aggro deck kill you in 2-4 turns.

>>95901898
are you high
do you not understand how the rigged shuffler workers

Going low land count in aggro results in you getting land screwed way more in arena than in paper. It will TRY to give you a 1-2 land hand. It will deal you an unplayable hand over half the time. It will deal 3 hands, then give you a weighted chance to go close to the 1.5 land hand. You get a 1 lander, you mulligan, same shit, you lose, good job nice deckbuilding
If you want a 2-3 land draw for aggro to curve out you need ~20 lands.

Go ahead make a 13 land deck in arena and see how it turns out. Hope you were planning on running 4x wayward guidebeast or something stupid like that to play a 1 lander

4 Venerated Rotpriest
4 Mockingbird
4 Brightglass Gearhulk
4 Nature's Rhythm
2 Invasion of Ikoria
4 Divine Resilience
4 Royal Treatment
4 Snakeskin Veil

what else should I include
spell pierce? three steps ahead?

>>95902014
The shuffler skewed towards drawing lands. You draw more lands than you should with a deck with fewer lands. There are. And then if you mulligan, it essentially fixes the issue giving you a 2-3 land hand. Whereas if you have more lands in your deck, you're going to be drawing fewer lands in general than you should. No. It's not worse than paper. It's better than paper.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/b21u3n/i_analyzed_shuffling_in_a_million_games/

>>95902226
bo1, not real magic

>>95902239
Yes.

>>95892506
>I like attractive females and thematic consistency in the various planes of the multiverse.
>THAT IS STUPID AND YOU ARE STUPID. WE WILL CALL YOU A BIGOT AND FORCE NIGGERS AND FAGGOTS ALL OVER THE MULTIVERSE.
Thanks JotC.

>>95902249
Don't forget about the upcoming black transgender parapallegic Dr. Who planeswalker who explores the multiverse with Spiderman and Spongebob!

Print this to modern for retarded strong hollow one decks. I'm kinda tempted to buy a couple of judge gift cards in case it's in MH4 or something

>>95902292
Also, imagine being a judge and comparing those cards you got to current slop

Are these people for real

>>95902226
That was 6 years ago
They changed the algorithm
We know exactly how it works

It draws 3 separate hands from 3 copies of your deck
It gives each a weighted odds to be chosen, skewed by how far away from the ratio of land:nonland the hand is
It doesn't always choose the one closest to your ratio, but its more likely to

It has absolutely no impact on the rest of the cards in your deck, or card types or names beyond land::nonland type.
Result is that if you build a deck that tries to have a low land count, you are MORE likely to get land screwed with a 1 land hand than you would be with the same deck in paper. Meanwhile if you build an average/reasonable land count, you are way more likely to curve out with 3 lands by turn 3 without flooding, which greatly favors aggro decks.

>managed to go 5-0 with Tifa.dec last night
Im starting to think this deck isnt a meme. I dont even have Bristly Bills or Traveling Chocobos its just Tifa, Sazh and his chocobo

>>95902411
I mean what did you expect? bluesky only exists to be a far-left hugbox, it's almost a given that everyone there has TDS

>>95901799
>>95901898
>>95902014
>>95902239
>>95902453
Containment thread. Now.

>>95902453
Lets get back on topic then. Your deck is shit and doesn't work. It loses 90% of the time to aggro whether IRL or on Arena. Never ever post again about how you can turn 3 win with nothing to reanimate in the graveyard when aggro already beat you.

Is it me? Or is premodern far superior to standard? It has almost double the number of sets currently in standard yet it seems way more balanced when you filter out all the draft chaff in spite of having lotus petal, dark ritual, and cabal ritual.

>>95902594
>It loses 90% of the time to aggro whether IRL or on Arena.
Okay buddy.
Sample size: 1 game

>>95902737
If it didn't lose to aggro 90% of the time, it would be a tier 1 meta deck and it's nowhere to be seen.

>>95902730
Premodern is far superior to every sanctioned format at this point.

this time I am letting it die for real

>>95902851
switch to premodern to take the itch away while letting standard die

>Esper Origins
>it's not in the Esper colors
What did they mean by this?

>>95902737
>t3
way to fucking slow

30 lands in brawl btw

>>95902851
Do it. LET IT DIE.

>>95903100
what's true?

>>95902737
Oh boy I love reliable turn 3 wins in Standard the game is so well maintained.

>>95903124
that the shuffler is rigged
stop being a faggot man

>>95902737
You think you're making a point about how degenerate your deck is but you're really making a point about how degenerate the standard format is
that's not even the fastest or most reliable kill by a mile

>>95903131
If you're in a bo1 mode, the game stealth draws two hands from two copies of your deck, then you play with the one that got a hand with the most even land/spell split.
Play bo3 if you don't like that, and 3 lands there isn't too unusual ok. 30/100 lands anyway.

>>95903236
Used to be 2 hands, that wasn't rigged enough, now it stealth draws 3 hands from 3 copies of your deck
odds of 0-1 land hands and 5-7 land hands for a 20-24 land deck dropped exponentially

LOOKS LIKE WE GOT A NEW FLOURISHING META

>>95903236
>brawl
>speaks about bo1
still 30 lands

>>95903254
I, for one, enjoy knowing that the only presence Control and Omniscience have in the top of tournaments is times when those decks win all five coinflips and get to prey on every non-aggro deck in the tournament.

>>95903315
hehe turn 2 counterspell your 2 drop

>>95903340
hehe force of will counter your counterspell

I play undiscovered paradise, tap it for putrid imp, discard my entire hand except 2 cards to give putrid imp flying and end my turn

>YOOOOO WHAT IF WE GAVE A 4c INDESTRUCTIBLE AND WHEN HE DO DAMAGE YOU GET TO PLAY AS MANY CARDS FROM YOUR OPPONENTS DECK AS THE DAMAGE YOU DID?
>WOWOWOOWOW FREAKING HECKIN GEEEEEEENIUS
if anyone working a wotc reads this; i do hope something bad happens to whoever designed this absolute dogshit of a card everyone is fucking playing right now.
It's not fun, interactive, replayable or entertaining

ITS FUCKING

Depressing
Offensive
Gross
S
Horrible
I
T

After the return to innistrad wedding (fail)
return to detective ravnica (fail)
return to tarkir (yawn)
3 returns in the last few years and they've all been complete shit, im no longer excited for return sets
Final Fantasy was the only UB set I'm interested in and I enjoyed it, Spider-Man and Avtar disgust me
The last set that looks promising is the space set, after that I don't know what left magic has to offer me, unless they do a return to final fantasy featuring Tactics
All their return sets are shit, their hat themed sets are shit
They did the one UB IP I'm interested in and now its over as soon as it came
Magic is dead after spacetime for me

>>95903395
Just fucking block him 5-head. He doesn't even have deathtouch; all he can do is masturbate with his weird ass crystal knife hand.

By default he's whiffing on fucking 3 mana cards too.

>>95903433
audacity makes him a 4/1 indestructible trample deathtouch

>>95903539
Are you telling me that by the time someone untaps a 4 mana creature, you can't park 4 toughness in front of them? It's strong but it's not fucking unavoidable. -1/-1 his ass, exile him, make him an indestructible bug.

Also Audacity doesn't give deathtouch. As far as I can tell no single enchantment or artifact gives trample and deathtouch without wacky setup.

>>95903579
>Also Audacity doesn't give deathtouch. As far as I can tell no single enchantment or artifact gives trample and deathtouch without wacky setup.
Any of the Soulflayer or Odric clones.

Garruk, Apex Predator can solo make trample deathtouchers but it's via the emblem.

>>95903638
He has to be the one dealing the damage anon, by the time we're building up an Eater of Virtue for him we might as well just give him unblockable or flying.

>>95903395
lmao of all the cards in standard right now that's the hill you picked to die on?

>>95902519
>bluesky
wait, that isn't regular xitter? the UI looks almost identical to the original.

>>95902737
Literally zero disruption kek

So they literally just didn't playtest Cutter at all right?
I can't imagine any playtester seeing this card in even a single game state ever and thinking it's acceptable.

>>95903865
IF cards are playtested - Nadu being an example of a card that wasn't - they are only tested in EDH.

>>95903865
Cutter was designed for Alchemy and Arena where red needed a buff

You know what I hate that I don't see much discuted?
The abundance of free dual lands. Entering untapped as long as it's one of your 3 first lands, producing both color as long as you own a basic land next to them, hell, even shocklands aren't much of a downside.
Dual lands ought to come tapped or with a serious drawback.

>>95903946
Verges and MDFC lands are unacceptable because they are simply power crept basics.

Shocks are fine. Any land that isn't just a basic, but better, is fine.

>>95903952
>they are simply power crept basics.
Hello, retard-kun

>>95903956
Yes yes, you're a pedantic retard. We know.

We need tap lands that heal you for 3 or 4 or grant invulnerability.

Yes, a white tapland that grants invulnerability until next turn. That would be balanced

>>95903952
Verges and pathways are extremely underrated as untapped t1/2 sources.
Most mana bases are horrendously built though, people often just jam full cycles of lands into their deck with no consideration for color requirements.

>>95903254
Yikes

>>95903964
>Have pic related on the battlefield
>Play white tapland
>Opponent is forced to lose 2 life or return something to their hand (probably just a land)
>Your turn, return white tapland to your hand
>Play white tapland
What an odd way to time travel.

Alchemy doesn't have this problem

>>95903964
https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmarkrosewater.tumblr.com%2Fpost%2F786392516231659520%2Fmay-i-request-an-efficient-1-mana-white-removal-in

Nosewater won’t even alllow STP or Path reprinted in Standard. Any fairness to mono White died when JOTC began FIRE design

>>95904032
Meanwhile on arena

>>95904049
Why is this a digital-only card? They easily could’ve worded it with “That player shuffles their library, then reveals cards from the top of their library until a creature card with lesser mana value is revealed. The player puts that card onto the battlefield, then shuffles the rest into their library.” Was it just because of the powerlevel?

>>95904228
That's how it works on digital too kek

I like how the only control decks allowed to exist now have to include white because Lockdown is the only real answer to Cutter.

>>95903946
Bad mana fixing just leads to non-games. There are more untapped duals now to make up for the removal of fetchlands.

>>95904003
It has the exact same Cori Steel-Cutter problem, only Balemurk Dollmaker scam instead of mice. It's an even more degenerate format than Standard, only nobody plays it so you also get matched vs starter decks half the time.

>>95904341
Non-games are a cost you pay for the additional power of playing 3+ colors in your deck. Fetch lands are up there with companions for worst design mistake, and that's without factoring in extra shuffling and any synergy they have.

New thread
>>95904433
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>>95904393
Duals aren't even good fixing for 3+ color decks. You need untapped duals just for 2 color decks to function without regular color screw.

>>95904438
FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK JUST LET IT DIE ALREADY