Previously: >>95888616

Cute Edition

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TQ: Post a disappointing commander. It can be anything: one you thought would be one that's fun to build but wasn't, one with a cool gimmick that just isn't well supported, or one with very few options for building and very few good cards.
I'll go first
>pic related
>adorable
>love tribal decks
>satyrs fucking suck and there's only like 30 of them in the entire game
What were they thinking???

>>95897046 (OP)
I am only just now realizing she has a man's arm. Do you think the artist drew a man and Wizards asked for a woman for diversity or some shit?

>>95897057
>satyr
>she

TQ sucks, real TQ:
>are your FF cards as powerful as you thought they'd be?

>>95897067
It clearly has tits anon, I don't know what to say

>>95897074
>MOM I POSTED IT AGAIN!

Yorion + Restoration Angel means all of your other cards only need to exist in end steps, but is there a way to make Yorion go with your other cards? Maybe a clone?

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>95897046 (OP)
>TQ
Wick the whorled mind.
Got excited because i love rats and grixis should in theory be my favourite colour combo, but after building him in a bunch of different ways, none of them were all that compelling to me.

>>95897119
Is it a you problem? Cos I have a Wick deck partially built lmao. I like tribal so I think I'll like it. I'm running Leyline of Transformation because so many things that make rat tokens aren't rats themselves

>>95897096
>It clearly has tits anon
It clearly doesn't, even if it did so what half the dudes in this general do too, and satyrs are male

>>95897122
Yeah, we know

>>95897122
>MOM I POSTED IT AGAIN

>>95897057
Satyrs are notoriously hairy. No, the real thing you should focus on is the couple in the background. What do you think she plans to do with that banana?

>>95897132
Literally all the male satyrs are topless except 1 that's wearing a sash that would only cover 1 nipple.
It's a woman, clearly there are female satyrs in Wizards' world, no matter what your autism says.

>>95897102
>>95897138
>MOM I POSTED IT AGAIN

>>95897130
It's like 90% a me problem, don't get discouraged from building him.

>>95897139
>Satyrs are notoriously hairy
It's not just the hair though, its how much thicker one arm is than the other. And look at how muscular it is where it attaches to the shoulder.
I seriously would not be surprised if the artist drew a male satyr and then Wizards were like "no actually this ones meant to be a woman"

Another huge disappointment.
Even with all the cost reduction available, waiting on your opponents to play shit worth stealing feels bad, and most big blue enchantments just steal anyway.

>>95897057
>women, the 50% minority on the globe, is a diversity push
this boy is clearly a greek satyr twink, retard

>>95897148
I don't see it. Her arms look fine, if a bit hairy.

I wish a satyr girl would shove my face into her armpit

>hair on arm
clearly male omg
>massive hair on legs and hooves
mommy mommy squish me with your thighs mommy

>>95897159
>oh no my auras also act as steal effects and removal, while also buffing the creatures and pushing forward my gameplan
>how am i supposed to play with this much value?
>such dire times to live in man, truly WotC has fallen :(

>>95897046 (OP)
>TQ
I enjoyed this play style much less than I thought I would. It just became formulaic. No matter what, on my turn I'm looking to lose life as soon as possible, then turning Rowan sideways and casting an X spell or two. It just doesn't feel very interactive, especially since she can only reduce costs on my turn

>>95897148
rent free
touch grass
fuck a dyke

>>95897182
This but Faun (Elora) (With penis)

>>95897106
Add in a Teferi so no one can interact with your stuff while it's in play.

Opinions on this Terra summons deck? The game plan is to get the enchantress engine going, get a summon on board and flip Terra as soon as possible. Being able to instantly proc up to 4 chapters of your token summon (and even getting to keep the creature if you remove the last one at instant speed with one of the counter removers) can lead to some fun combos.

https://archidekt.com/decks/13311432/summoner
https://moxfield.com/decks/A8RWFJowVUScO1PC0dN9JA

>>95897171
I think it's the size that's making it look weird to him. Compare the size of her arm that's locked around the guy's head and the arm she has sticking up. The arm around the guy's head is a lot thicker. Could be because she's supposed to be flexing from having him in a hold but that's a big pump. Even the fist is nearly double the size. Could be a perspective thing but it's not really at such an angle that there should be such a difference. Adds to the asymmetry when only that arm is hairy while the other is bare. Unless the idea was that one arm is more satyr than the other.

>>95897074
Cards I’m never going to see, so won’t bother evaluating

>>95897203
This comes into play, creating a token that copied Yorion. The token is immediately destroyed but I exile dance of many. Does it get exiled instead of getting sacrificed?

>>95897189
God i can relate to this one.
After coming to the same realisation, i tried to break the mold by making version of the deck using her discount to play big creatures instead. Yes i know i was essentially making worse Rakdos, Lord of riots
It didnt take.

>>95897185
Try playing it, bud. It doesn't work like you think it does.

>players start getting to 3+ mana creatures
>have to have a couple cost reducers on board to keep up
>most shit that can be stolen only really works with their decks
>your enchantments are an absolute soup of keywords with no real synergy at all because how do you build synergy with "im just gonna see what other people play and take that?"
>could just have built a normal deck and played creatures that would actually help my board state
>all the effort you put into reducing the cost of enchantments so you can steal more than 1 thing a turn, you realize you could have just played nothing but high manavalue blue enchantments that all steal anyway

>TQ
got her precon because i tought cycling was cool, turns out her textbox goes against what makes cycling so cool in the first place.
also her payoff is incredibly bad, especially for 2020 standards

>>95897228
Do you know if Will is any better? I feel like there's more inherent pay offs for lifegain even if the play pattern is going to be very similar

>>95897046 (OP)
>TQ
This guy. I like putting 1/1 counters on stuff. I liked the idea of merfolk. The theme looked cool and the way he pumped up your whole board of merfolk while gathering big value from explore looked fun. But damn did he just never work out. Every game just felt like an uphill battle that never panned out. May have been the decks I was facing at the time were bad matchups but it was not a good time. I still have the deck even if I pulled a lot of the better general cards out of it. I've been thinking of retooling it around Kumena one of these days and seeing how that turns out.

>>95897185
Nah, he's right. She's shit, she's too reactionary. If you want to steal your opponents cards in esper you should play Sen Triplets. Or Zur for enchantment shenanigans.

>>95897252
>playing simic
>uphill battle
>with a textbox like Hakbal has
there might have been something seriously wrong with your deck and how you built it

>>95897143
>base setting almost 1:1 off real myth
>but fuck up a lot of minor details to fit in some kultmarx nonsense

And I'm supposed to hate UB, which has coherent world building that appeals to non-mentally ill fans, why again...?

>>95897224
Yorion token trigger and Dance of the Many's Sacrifice Trigger will go on the stack simultaneously. Resolve the Yorion trigger first exiling Dance of the Many so that it isn't in play to be sacrificed to its own trigger. You can't sacrifice permanents you don't control.

>>95897281
>appeals to non-mentally ill

>entire Final Fantasy fanbase is 40 year old manchildren and trannies
lol

>>95897281
>>base setting almost 1:1 off real myth
honestly, i always disliked theros because of this. but i guess lorwyn and kamigawa were the same but those are not immediately so familiar to people like me

So just to sum up the thread so far:

Anti-UB players love awful world building, kultmarx nonsense, and literal gender bender imagery and dogwhistles which includes having fantasies about hairy (totes not!)male nonconsenual sex spirits nonconsenually wrestling them into submission.

That all actually makes a lot of sense and explains a lot about the antiUB posters in this general lmao

>>95897291
some people truly have to be left behind

>>95897305
real irl women have hair

>>95897305
Imagine being this assmad that Wizards made a female satyr and not some faggy twink femboy for you specifically

>>95897277
Hell that could be it. I had all the value I could want with him most games but it always ended with opponents combing and blowing everyone out with big combos or swings a turn or two before Hakbal and the other merfolk could finish it. At the time one of the decks I saw a lot was tuned Pantlaza and the amount of value that was able to vomit out every then made me think Hakbal was lacking in comparison. I may have given up on him too early.

>>95897305
the amount of mental gymnastics to post this much nonsense is honestly incredible.
eat your sloppa and hate other sloppa and be happy, at this point, the only one preventing from doing so is yourself

>>95897305
It's possible to dislike both the way wizards has written their settings for the last decade or so AND dislike UB being the patch-job that's covering it up.
It's basically been downhill since Ravnica: City of Guilds with only a few cool new planes in-between with good development.

>>95897305
So just to sum up the thread so far:

>mouthbreather makes up rage bating non-issue
>kultmarxkultmarxkultmarx x10

nothing of value was posted

>the literal only good posts in this thread are the tripfag and an armpitfag
what has become of us?

>>95897238
I have absolutely considered trying him out, but haven't done so yet.
>Is he better?
Gut feeling says he's stronger in the climate you'll see in bracket 1-3. There's reasons Rowan became borderline cEDH viable, and Will didn't.

>>95897313
you're in blue, use your counterspells to fight against combos and deal with cards on the stack before they generate any value whatsoever.
also always go against combofags first, no questions asked

>tfw my Archelos deck gets completely supplanted by Wandering Minstrel

>>95897348
only if you are some sort of lands matter queer

picked up the eldrazi incursion precon for £70 at my LGS and playing first game of commander today. I got swarming instincts ages ago but no idea if any of the cards are worth using with it, any eldrazi guys here?

>>95897321
Yes, this is a perfectly fair stance, but lets not pretend like UW lore has ever been anything good or exceptional. It was serviceable fantasy cliches that WOTC mostly bungled since they failed to create a single popular character. Which is fine for a card game where 90% of the player base didn't care about the story.

The biggest tragedy of UB becoming 50% of the game is that power escalation is now going to accelerate, since to generate enough hype to sell UW sets they have to intentionally rachet up the power level of non-UB sets in order to sell packs, which means that UB will have to play catch up, which means the baseline rises.

Is cEDH cringe?

You are looking at the new staple for commander right here. Hope you have a copy already as its already trending up

>Magic in 2026
>you look for a Tier 3 table, finding a Tier 2 table with Davros, Kefka, Captain America, and Frodo + Sam partner
>you glance over at the next table and the commanders being played are Spiderman, Negan, Abaddon, Optimus Prime, and 5c Miku in a Tier 1 table
>you spot a full Tier 3 table with Elminster, Tifa, Eleven, and Dogmeat
>finally find a Tier 3 table open, your opponents are playing Azula, Y'shtola, and Ezio Auditore da Firenze
>you spot a Tier 4 table nearby with Slicer, Marneus Calgar, Aang, and Dhalsim
>your next game has your opponents playing the The Fourteenth Doctor, Sauron, and Liberty Prime at Tier 3

>>95897465
Yes. It's fundamentally antithetical to what Commander is supposed to be and is totally needless as a format since there are already several other competitive formats with players begging for new blood. It's a convoluted solution for a problem nobody had when a better fix already exists.

cEDHtards are the 2nd worst playerbase in the game whose only redeeming quality is that they're not pubstompers trying to bring cEDH/cEDH adjacent decks to actually casual tables to pubstomp.

>>95897477
>DONG
OPEN UP ANON
>DONG
TIME TO PAY THE CUTE TAX
>DONG
SHEKELS OUT FOR TARUMBE

>>95897465
It's a format for people who can't compete in competitive 1v1 because they fucking suck, so they need a format where almost every card is legal so they can play the most braindead formulaic deck builds where only maybe 10 cards out of 100 actually matter and win on turn 4

I love this commander but she should NOT have shaved pits

>>95897294
nah, they're not the same. lorwyn and kamigawa are their own thing with the aesthetics of a mythology, theros is literally just greek shit with names swapped around

>>95897503
But anon, if she didn't shave her pits how would you lick them?

Okay fuckers. This TQ sucks so I'm gonna give you a project.

You have to pick a Legendary Creature from the original Legends, Homelands, Ice Age, Mirage, or Alliances. First come, first serve. What deck would you make with them?
Bonus points
>No tribal
>List the wincon

>>95897524
That is an atrocious TQ. People want to talk about decks they have built or are building.

>>95897477
Nyo..... I don't want to pay for the whole deck just to get that one card.
>BUT WE NEEDS IT, PRECIOUS
Yes... we needs it, precious... surely people are just hyping it up and they will sell it once they realize it's not that powerful after all and then we'll snatch it... just two more weeks, precious...
Fuck you "group hug" decks we hates you forever.

>>95897481
God I wish we were getting a King of Fighters UB. KoF, Nier, Buffy the Vampire, Lazy Town. Let me build my childhood dream waifu decks Wizards.

>>95897520
I would lick them regardless

>>95897477
she cute :)

>>95897477
I don't draw a card and cut down your Tataru.

>>95897558
>Lazy Town
>waifu
Nonce.

>>95897558
on a large enough time scale (like three years) all of those will become a reality

>>95897477
How does this work with wheels? Do you make 21 treasures or just 1?

>>95897593

>>95897598
this ability triggers only once each turn

is pic related literally just a worse meren deck?

>TQ
Ranar, the Ever Watchful. A precon commander meant to exhibit the Foretell mechanic, where you can pay a portion of a spell’s cost and reveal it to cast it at a later time.

Ranar allowed you to foretell one spell per turn for free. I like commanders that let you build a quick-access toolbox, so I was excited to see what they did with it.

He is also blue-white. There are only 26 cards in the entire game that have Foretell in those colors. About a third of them are draft chaff.

Fuck me sideways. What were you morons thinking?

>>95897598
You only make one. This is no Smothering Tithe. I don't know what anon smoked to think this one will be a stable.

>>95897616
Worse? You only get one questcounter per turn Meren is there for the endstep, Aerith just need 7 or more life. Lifelink and counters aren't hard to get in those colors, green and white soldiers have lifelink.

>>95897046 (OP)
I feel like Gallia would work better as the head of an aggressive (duh) gruul deck focused on graveyard shenanigans. She's a card advantage engine before she's an anthem, though you can stick a few satyrs in because some are pretty decent, like Gruff Triplets, and the random discard matters less if you make sure to use your graveyard lots. Actually kind of tempted to try and figure something out for her, because she's cute and there's several other cute satyr girls as well.
As for the question itself, I never liked what I could do with Liara Portyr. The idea of impulse drawing extra combat spells, free mana rocks and then finishing with a big x spell never really worked in practice. Either opponents could easily deal with it since it was so insanely reliant on Liara herself being in play, or it popped off and forced everyone at the table to sit through half an hour of non-determinstic shenanigans and a billion triggered abilities that sometimes just fucking fell flat because the chain ended because you drew into three lands. It was also extremely reliant on having at least three opponents, whenever I only had two the deck became unplayable.

>>95897618
Oh yeah that one was on my mind but I couldn't remember the name. I was looking into it because of this guy. Foretell is a neat idea but it's had so little support. I also think a lot of the cards that have foretell aren't very flavorful

>>95897633
you can get as many quest counters as you want per turn
and GW has a much harder time dumping things into the graveyard

>>95897558
Taimanin set when

>>95897605
It's 1 distinct trigger from the wheel though. It's like the difference between the text of a card saying draw 3 cards and draw a card, draw a card, draw a card.

>>95897642
>it has a wedding ring reprint in it
>the art is a wedding ring inside a filled condom

>>95897640
I stand corrected. I thought of Minthara, Merciless Soul when thinking of questcounters.

>>95897647
It's still only counts as one trigger when they start to draw cards.

>>95897639
i wanted to build him as another way of doing that morph "you activated my trap card" thing.
But i started building him and realized he is just a nasty storm commander with 20 minute turns

>>95897642
it'll never happen
we were the cucks all along

>>95897647
each draw is treated as a separate draw regardless of how it's worded, so it would only trigger once.

>>95897616

It's a better Meren deck because it's in better colors and has better design.
The fact that it can even be compared to meren shows how powerful this card can be and how much it's being slept on

>>95897642
My dick would support this

>>95897684
>white is better than black
>for a fucking graveyard deck
???
please tell me why you think that

>>95897647
Unless a card says "one or more" the trigger condition will happen for each instance.
So if you had a card that said "when draw card, do X" and you draw 3 cards, it happens 3 times.
The UB slop card we're talking about has a once per turn on it, so even if someone draws 3 it still only makes 1 treasure. But I just wanted to clarify the point that there is no difference between "draw 3 cards" and "draw a card, draw a card, draw a card."

>>95897701
Nta, but, this guy slaps your graveyard girlfriends ass, wyd?

>>95897735
sorry sunny boy but you don't even have a graveyard because white can't dump anything into it

>>95897735
white is GOOD at reanimation but it sure as fuck isn't better than black

Cosemere UB when?

>>95897813
more likely than you think

>>95897744
No but green can, and reanimate too.

>>95897835
yeah and black does it better than white?
you haven't even argued anything, what white card is better than entomb and animate dead?

>>95897602
>wwe on the list
The company is such collab whore I wouldn't be surprised if there's MTG x WWE Secret Lair in near future.

>>95897866
If that was the case I will make an Undertaker(tm) deck and play his entrance theme everytime I bring him back from the graveyard.

>>95897642
Best I can offer you is Igawa Asagi as Yuriko reprint.
I've been thinking about making proxy out of this idea.

>>95897866
The delay between pop culture and Magic sets, they'll probably think people still love that John Cena meme

>>95897904
A phase out cantrip/teferi's protection with "YOU CAN'T SEE ME"

>>95897701
>>95897845

White is simply better than black in general.
>Entomb
Yeah that's a fair point, I have blinders on to stuff like that because I don't run any tutors to promote what I believe is the spirit of the game
>Reanimate
I guess? White can also do the necromancy thing though and when it's on your commander I really don't think you need many more of these effects

>>95897281
UB LotR was the fucking worst raping of a beloved book by multiculti cultists ever performed.

>>95897938
>draw
black does it better with stuff like bolas's citadel, necropotence
>ramp
black does it better since it has swamp doublers, and rituals
>reanimation/value
black does it better with living death, reanimate, animate dead etc
>removal/board wipes
white is better here

you are delusional if you think white is better than black in edh

>>95897735
'sup big bro. Reanimating them cmc3 permanents aren't we? Allow me to help out

>>95897919
>HIS NAME IS JOHN CENA!
>1RWU
>Sorcery
>Search your library for a card named John Cena, put it onto the battlefield. It gains haste first strike and indestructible until end of turn.

>Are You Sure About That?
>2U
>Instant
>Counter target spell. If you control a creature named John Cena, draw a card.

all the FF cards are way too expensive, stupid weebs ruined everything

>>95897830
Thanks Mr Sanderson. How's Mistborn phase 3 going?

>>95898081
>Only tourists and betas buy the draftchaff, they don't use cardmarket to sell of cards they don't want.
>Real magic chads only buys singles and don't bother with the draftchaff
>prices rise

>>95897866
>Rakdos Alexa Bliss where she gains control of (dominates) every creature she damages (chokes out with her thighs) until end of turn

Ha ha yeah, i-imagine how silly that'd b-be...

>>95898002
I really didn't wanna start an argument here desu

I think you're underestimating how good the removal is in white compared to black and also how important it is in edh. White can hit enchantments and artifacts and that's invaluable.
>Withering torment
Is a single card and you still can't hit artifacts

This point is moot anyway because both commanders in question share with green, which can do all those things too.

To your other points
>Draw
White has great draw now that's better than black with things like trouble in pairs
>Ramp
Maybe preference but I would take land tax over the cards you listed. White has more cards too with similar effects. Again this is moot because we're also in green
>Reanimation value
Yeah black does this better. It's maybe the only thing relevant here that black does better. Even with this, white is still secondary. It depends what strategy you're going for, if it's quick reanimation of a single powerful target, black is the winner through entomb + reanimate.
White has a grinder game, which imo is the play style that both Meren and Aerith lend themselves to.

>you are delusional if you think white is better than black in edh
Lol, lmao

>>95897046 (OP)
>hairy forearms
>furry legs
>no armpit hair
cowards!

>>95897669
Someday WotC will make a spellslinger deck that doesn’t fall victim to Storm bullshit.

Maybe. Possibly. Probably not, but one can hope.

>>95898170
>thinks trouble in pairs is better than fucking necropotence
brother you are delusional

>>95897735
>>95898035
Let me help you boys out in case you fall.

>>95898166
You can make a proxy for that.

>>95898162
economy is not real

>>95897046 (OP)
What could have been

>>95898170
>Trouble In Pairs
>better than fucking Necropotence
brother WHAT

>>95898170
Land Tax isn't ramp

>>95898248
>>95898397
Necropotence hasn't been relevant in EDH in years

>>95898170
Bro I was plaiying a Mono B graveyard deck the other day and my friend played the Darkness Crystal and I wanted to kill myself.

>>95898416
>conditional draw a few if your opponents cooperate vs unconditional draw as many as your life total allows
>legal in Legacy vs banned in Legacy
>legal in Vintage vs restricted in Vintage
it's not "relevant" because it's way too strong for casual but doesn't fit the meta of CEDH, it's still vastly better than TIP

>>95897813
You mean we aren't already there?

>>95897074
>interesting question thst requires at least a cursory knowledge of the game to answer
>retarded question only FF tourists care about
Lol

>>95898449
Only time I've seen necropotence in a casual pod the player pretty much just killed himself with it.

>>95897143
>all the males are topless
>quite literally right above his post
>>95897139

>>95898507
next you'll start saying Griselbrand isn't good enough to stay banned

>>95897159
>most big blue enchantments steal anyways
You didn't even look at scryfall before you put a shitty list together did you?

>>95897046 (OP)
>Post a disappointing commander.
I love the snail part, but other than that he's not fun to pilot as he is pretty much an expensive combo commander that doesn't work if you don't have a combo ready to play, or the right rats to play.

>>95897305
This FF tourist posts this every thread and its getting increasingly sad.

>>95898523
Funny you say that... I really, really want my poor boy to be unbanned. He doesn't deserve the hate.

>>95897461
Let's not pretend any UB has had a good world besides LOTR either anon. Fallout is shit, FF has never been good and its lore is as deep as a puddle. 40k lore only exists to push the war game. None of this shit is good.

>>95898263
YEEHAW

>>95897465
No its a lot of fun to play. Anyone who tells you about spirit of the format or any garbage related to that is just a shitty player that wants to control how you play. If you genuinely like magic, you'll enjoy some cedh now and then.
>>95897524
Wow two narcissist faggots trying to get a new TQ in one thread. Both of you should strongly consider suicide.

>>95898555
no but you see I have nostalgia for Final Fantasy VII therefore it is fundamentally perfect in every way

>>95898547
yes he fucking does, drawing 35 cards at instant speed in a color that can pop him out turn one is insane

>>95897669
Build him that way then? Foretell goes against storm really so whatever you did wasn't inspired by him and was instead inspired by your faggot izzet brain

>>95898583
Foretell still casts the spell

>>95898002
>black does it better with 2 cards, one that doesn't draw, and both expensive combo pieces
Ermmm okay. Meanwhile white has 500000 options that are well costed and not immediate removal magnets.
>ramp
Black has what, 4 doublers? And 3 rituals? Black ramp is atrocious and half of it isn't ramp (rituals aren't ramp ramp sticks around). White is very SLIGHTLY behind green in terms of ramp, you're just bad at the game.
>reanimation
White is the undisputed king of reanimation in magic. There is no debate here. Learn the game.
>removal
Correct surprisingly

>>95898449
>conditional
>the condition being your opponents actually play the game
>no downside

>>95898580
no surely not, you're just jealous. People can just instant speed counter or exile him surely. They just don't understand how cute and fair magic he is compared to other colors like white and green and blue, surely.

>>95898588
Well I guess every commander ever only promotes your faggy storm nonsense nigger. The problem is with you, not the card.

>>95898610
I'm not even him, I'm just saying Foretell and Storm aren't inherently at odds with one another and can in fact synergize well

>>95898597
I see we're in the "just be blindly contrarian for the memes" stage of the thread

>>95898604
it's still conditional, and while the condition is annoying, it can be met without much difficulty. Necropotence just lets you get the cards.

>>95898627
>cast this spell later
Vs
>cast all the spells now
Yes it is

>>95898634
Rebuttal found : zero
Concession : accepted
>>95898643
>better hope hope opponents..... dont play the game!
I have 3 orzhov decks and all had necro removed for TIP. Way better. Way more consistent. Doesn't shoot yourself in the foot. Necro is ONLY *decent* in cedh where you are hoping to combo off and dont need the graveyard
>be in black
>turn off graveyard
No no this is good guys!

>>95897339
You know, you're right. At the time I was only really using stuff like Rapid Hybridization and Raven Form. First time really using blue in a deck so I was light on that kind of thing. I'll see about rebuilding it with more countering.

>>95898650
>god I hope I'm playing against blue
>and against a go-wide creature deck
>and against a spellslinger deck
vs
>I think I will draw 8 cards right now, just for fun

>>95898523
Big G is actually good unlike necropotence

>>95898644
you know you can Foretell multiple spells at a time and cast multiple Foretold spells in a single turn, right?

>>95898416
It was added to the game changers list literally a month and a half ago

>>95898661
>put that card into your hand at the beginning of the end step
You dont even know how necro works anon

>>95898665
>next turn... next turn i storm off... today I rest

>>95898675

Any value engine that can recursively draw you 7+ cards a turn is going against the casual nature of the format. All these combo nerds can’t control themselves and run draw your deck tutor your combo and win, which is fine if you’re playing competitive formats but edh isn’t it. Those players deserve each other in cedh

>>95898675
And?

>Be racist against Izzet players for over a decade for their 40 minute turns..
>Pull Vivi
>Slap together a bunch of spellslinger staples I've pulled over the years.
>Got put in bracket 4 without me even spending extra money to build it.
>It ends up being fun. (For me)
I hate what I've become.

>>95898797
You have become the very thing that you sought to destroy

So is every format just going to be final fantasy for the next couple years until they release some overpowered super hero shit or something?

>>95898560
People sleep on this card but it puts in serious work. The encore swings games really hard.

>>95898905
Has FF actually had a significant impact on any format outside of EDH? Last I checked the only card seeing significant standard play from the set is Starting Town.

>>95898927
That's wrong

>>95898797
I feel this.
>built a $50 budget deck with all the red rituals besides Jeska's Will in 2021ish
>do nothing until I have what I need
>not even playing any storm cards or thousand year storm shenanigans
>take 30 minute turn
>it absolutely destroys a high power Ur-Dragon, Kaalia, and a Korvold


Izzet spellslinger was my first real eureka moment of why decks that don't require much board state fuck up ones that do and it's so much more noticeable in EDH than any 1v1 format.

>>95897945
>ub lotr
holy fuck this set was bad. flavor mechanics everything. the final fantasy set is actually so good just by comparison to that bullshit. the final fantasy original art is mostly pretty decent, the mechanics (even in the commander decks) are basic and fun, and flavor is good. thank fucking god for square. it’s crazy to see a company that actually cares about its IP. I truly felt retarded for being hyped for lotrs after it came out.

>>95897642
>Orc tribal

>>95898948
Fanboyism truly makes us retarded this guy unironically believes only one set is garbage

>>95897882
I would buy it

>>95898944
Ok, can you show me a couple cards that are dominating any non-EDH format?

I'm tired, boss.
>Oh Galazeth again? I don't like playing against combo storm boardwipe tribal
>Swapping to Renari? Great. Another simic value pile.
>Shu Yun? Now you're just playing voltron to tunnel me because I told you I don't want to play against your combo deck.
>Why can't you just make a fun and interesting deck?
>(He has Elas Il-Kor aristocrats and Sythis pillowfort)

>>95898945
this is just because of retarded edh player mindset and attacking people with the highest life or not attacking people with no board state. if someone is playing for a low mana combo win they should die first simple as.

>>95897602
>No visionaries SLD/Set
It would fit MTG so well, motherfuckers it's right there.

>>95897602
Lincoln logs UB when

>>95898797
You've become old, I only see old miserable fucks play these kind of solitaire decks and I hate every last one of them and wish they would just stay home

>>95898959
nah I just happen to be a ff and lotrs fan so that’s the only ub sets I was hyped for. in general as a casual ub are definitely better than the faggy hat sets or straight up we ripped off harry potter / red wall unofficial ub sets. what a faggy wotc thing to do.

>>95898905
Nah, outside of overpowered staples most players are ADHD babs that need NEW THING. When BLB dropped Hare Apparents and Ygdra became the hot new thing at our pods. Then everything was Duskmourne with Arabelles and Demon Mothman all over the place. Then Marvel SLD. Then Ketramose and Hashaton. Currently its the dragonslop with some FF cards coming in. By this time in next month it'll be FF with whatever stupid memeslop catches on from EoE edging out the hot FF cards of today.

There is no such thing as cards that stick around anymore, unless they're garbage like The One Ring or other such broken garbage.

>>95898980
Are you me? That’s my experience as well.

>>95898980
Actually old fag here. I still have a ln old modern gift storm deck that’s pretty fun to gold fish. Wasting 4 other people’s time making them watch you is psychotic though.

>>95897046 (OP)
>gallia
>cute horny satyr gf
>super hairy legs and no sexy feet
would you /edhg/?

>>95898984
FF is not a good set anon i dunno what to tell you you're a fanboy

>>95897602
>zoids
Fuck me I'd buy it

Why can't we have setboosters again? It feels superbad to buy playboosters (or maybe that's just how wizard makes them now) and buying singles are way cheaper.

>>95897046 (OP)
If you loved her you would build her anyway anon. She works fine. Having a haste outlet in the command zone is actually very strong. I have a Willow Satyr coming in the mail right now.

>>95899045
cute catto

>>95898975
>that scene where Darkstrum tries to go full merchantmode on his men and Reekon winds up have a full blown freak out going off on everyone and beating their asses

Some of the funniest shit I've ever seen.

https://youtu.be/-kLuSEXt0OI?si=v3WUxGhBrmw0isMI&t=150

https://moxfield.com/decks/vEKenWOSJ0ipm1zFfYQk6g
this is my new Jetmir deck I've built myself. hows it looking? I played 4 games with it today and went okay. I did have low cards in hand issues sometimes and every game I was starved for lands, maybe i just got unlucky or need to run more.
Any advice or cuts/cards to add, id appreciate.

>>95898560
That ain't bad actually. That's kinda good

>>95897465
>Is cEDH cringe?
Just tell me you don't appreciate magic at its most competitive and skill intensive.

Which legendary creature vibes does she give off? Hard mode: no dogs or green commanders

>>95899087
34 lands with so many 4+ cards is gonna lead to a lot of durdle games. You have too many cards that only create a single token on your turn, those are borderline useless, especially ones that don't trigger the turn you play them and especially expensive ones, prime example here being Outlaw's Merriment get rid of that card asap. Your deck is packed to the gills and you're in green, get rid of those rocks and put in land tutors since you can both thin your deck and help hit some of your land drops with Cultivate-like cards.

All in all this is too much of a greed pile. You've got too many cards that support a gameplan you don't have enough basic support for and which you will have trouble getting out in a timely manner. Token aggro wants to come online within the first 4 turns, as is you're only gonna start to be a threat at the table MAYBE turn 5+, if you ever are. Get your basic gameplan and support in first, then think about adding in winmore cards.

>>95898905
I've barely seen any Final Fantasy cards at the couple commander nights I've been to since release

maybe that will change as time goes on

>>95899147
Not the anon you replied too but this is my honest opinion of CEDH and I could be wrong.
CEDH is 4 dudes basically with decks worth $10,000 each or more. They run 1 copy of the best and most powerful lands, spells, creatures, etc, ever printed in the game (often cards from Masters sets, reserved list cards, etc).
From the commanders I've seen CEDH players run, they mostly all share a common theme.
You can either get loads of mana very quickly, or you can draw a LOT of cards very quickly.
So the entire game of CEDH is basically an expensive game of speed chess where everyones trying to ramp asap and draw their entire deck until they get their win condition 1 out of like 15 in the deck.
I'm sorry, but its just cringe.
Whats even worse is they think it takes any skill or thought to play. It doesn't.
It takes a format designed for casual and fun play and makes it tryhard.

>>95899239
Competitive Magic in any format is a solved equation. That's why Standard and Modern died decades ago because the internet helped everyone figure out what the absolute best decks were and the competitive scene was just the same 10 or so decks dominating.

>>95899239
The reality is much worse. It's not speed chess, it's werewolf/mafia with the backdrop of a card game. A turbo-combo format is fine, it's the absurd kingmaking situations like the one Sam Black was bragging about that make cedh a joke.

>>95898969
Just play what you want anon. It's ok. You'll see some players who complain about every deck but they themselves only ever play the same thing. Don't let it get to you.

>>95899178
A tapped Gitrog. The OTJ one.

>>95899235
I appreciate your reply.
the cards I detect in the deck where you stated "you only get 1 token per turn" are Brightcap Badger (yeah his kinda bad for 4 mana i agree)
Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs (yeah a 5 mana body and 3/3 token if hit isnt the gameplan)
Scute Swarm (This one works well if your hitting lands and have token doublers out but let me know)
Tendershoot Dryad (This card is only good if your ahead, otherwise yeah its kinda bad).
I was told by a friend to run all the mana rock cards like signets and talismans. is that not ideal?
So land tutors, you mean more cards like Sakura Elder yeah?
>Outlaw's Merriment
Oh yes, I cut that while you replied for Grand Abolisher I had in my binder. Too slow, awful.
Any cards you suggest adding in to spice up the deck and rid of the 1/1 per turn junk?

>play thing
>opponent A counters/removes it
>play thing 2
>opponent B counters/removes it
>play thing 3
>opponent C counters/removes it
>opponents are left unchecked and I can only stop 2 other opponents with my removal
>now everyone is out of gas and the anon I didn't get to stop wins
how do I avoid this? and no, I'm not taking out my removal

>>95899237
I play online only and at least half are FF commanders. Maybe the cheaper price point and ease of access for digital makes people more likely to try them out.

>>95899309
you just described CEDH ;)

yes, we all know CEDH is cringe.
post fun commanders.
because CEDH players don't know the meaning of the word fun.

ITT: People outing themselves as having no clue what cEDH is like.

>>95899051
He heard the sound of cards on the floor and came to hang out, so now he's in the shot.

>>95899237
Most people don't even have their cards yet, especially if they didn't get the first wave of preorders. And for EDH if they have to order additional cards it will be a bit more of a time delay before their decks come together.

I would expect that there will be a surge in FF commander decks in the next week or two. There are just too many legendaries from this set that people will want to build around.

>>95899239
Cedh definitely takes skill to win. It's cringe to write this much about something you admittedly know nothing about and do not engage with. Magic at all levels is fun to play.

>>95897189
I love Rowan's lore appearance and art and that card is so sucky

>>95899379
>>95899284
I do agree with this largely though the community has terrible mindsets. My pod when we want cedh games we have a rule that there is not politicking or metagaming allowed. It doesn't even make sense in cedh to be politicking

>>95899379
>Cedh definitely takes skill to win

>>95899237
First week at an LGS since release I podded into someone with the most boring Y'shtola deck imaginable. Foiled out, all alt arts. Rhystic Study, Smothering Tithe, Cyclonic Rift, Demonic Tutor, Vampiric Tutor, Force of Will, Guardianship, Force of Negation.

Despite having far and away the best deck at the table he shouldn't have won. But the rest of the table was stupid as shit and fed him like 10 cards off Rhystic Study.

>>95899309
Get better and include more protection as opposed to removal.

>>95899239
>admits he knows nothing
>>95899394
>acts as though he knows something
Magic takes skill to win at all levels anon.

>>95899379
Regular EDH takes much more skill to win assuming four players of equal skill level. There's so many more cards in the casual pool, and scenarios that demand adaptability vs. rote memorization of specific combo lines from the same small cardpool everyone is pulling in.

>>95899404
yes anon, playing yugioh solitare in your competitive $10000 deck format for your infinite combo piece is the epidemy of skill.
I agree with you.
Only an idiot would disagree that no skill was involved.

>>95899406
As someone who actually plays both, no it does not. Just enjoy your games little fella ^.^ you do not need to worry about a group of people who have no interest playing with you
>>95899426
Cedh has way more interaction than normal edh. It is in no way solitaire. Stop talking about things you don't understand.

>>95899178
No green is hard. I was about to suggest Muldrotha. Thought it would be thematic with her digging up stuff.

>>95899432
>^.^
Anyone who types like this on 4chan is unbelievably furious at what they're reading.

>>95897465
it's fun to play occasionally, but you should form your own opinion and proxy a deck to try it out yourself

ignore niggers like >>95897496 I play both premodern and pauper, these faggots couldn't pilot a cEDH deck like Tayam if their lives depended on it

>>95899432
>Cedh has way more interaction than normal edh. It is in no way solitaire. Stop talking about things you don't understand.
oh, you mean just holding cards that cast for free if u own ur commander from Masters sets? or lands that are so retardly broken they auto pilot the game for you and every land in your deck has those?
or land destruction
or mass denial of letting others play
or recursion artifact garbage (this ones tiresome)
infinite combo rush
"This card wins you the game if you draw it" = need 5+ of those ones.
IT TAKES NO SKILL OR THOUGHT TO PLAY EVERY GAME LIKE THIS.

>>95899445
Thats how I talk everywhere anon. It's what drew in my lovely young virgin gf
>>95899451
>ERM YOU MEAN INTERACTION?
Yes cedh has more interaction than normal edh ^.^

>>95899451
>land destruction
>in cEDH
lol
lmao, even

>>95899457
>Yes cedh has more interaction than normal edh ^.^
god you type like a redditor retard. kys.

>>95899309
>i'm just a smol bean why is everyone removing my sheoldred bros
In the utter hypothetical situation that you're not archenemy the moment you reveal your commander, sandbag a bit and build up resources so that everyone throws their removal at juicier targets early on and you can play your bombs against a trio of empty hands.

>>95899462
>be wrong
>ermmm reddit ;-;

>>95899451
>IT TAKES NO SKILL OR THOUGHT TO PLAY EVERY GAME LIKE THIS.
So if you have 4 players at the table and they're all doing the same thing, which one wins if skill and decision making aren't the deciding factors?

>>95899476
hurh hurh got'em

>>95899487
Luck, obviously. Who draws their winning hand first. You already said that skill and decision making are not the deciding factors, so it has to be luck of the draw. Someone will get too much land, someone will get too little, someone will have half their combo but not the other half, etc.

>>95899476
you didnt even point out where im wrong. thats what someone usually does when they can't find a rebuttal.
Show me where CEDH takes any skill and ill concede.
You won't.
You'll just reply "le wrong still ^.^
Fuck off man.
>>95899487
You're playing the same few decks over and over and over and everyone knows what to do. Its a solved game as someone said above.
It doesn't take any skill. Every turn or action is encoded into a CEDH players brain before it even happens.
A normal table of EDH, you are facing anything and everything and you never know what to expect. Its a much more skill involved game and yet thats the casual format. Its just hilaruous to me.

>>95899502
I did.
>cedh is just solitaire
>actually cedh has more interaction
>REEEEEEEEE IM NOT WRONG REEEEEEE
Actual transcription of our exchange

I genuinely think everyone should proxy a cedh deck and do a couple casual cedh rounds to get a feel for it. My LGS has a small group of cedh players that are a bit elitist but are super friendly if you actually sit down and play with them. It feels a lot more fair than casual edh since everyone is playing at the exact same power level and no one is angle shooting or trying to fudge their brackets. I don't play it any more because it's a bit overwhelming but the guys are chill. And when they do play casual edh they're playing shit like Gor Muldrak.

cedh death squads aren't coming to an lgs near you to pubstomp you when you least expect it, guys. Promise.
Also don't join a cedh pod with a bracket 3/4 deck.

>>95899548
>half the fun of EDH is the wide card pool and the fact that you can make niche/jank strategies work
>but what if we shrank the cardpool by 1/100th and everyone played the same commanders instead???
lol I'm fine anon

>>95899555
This poster was touched inappropriately but a cedh death squad

>My regular Henzie deck is usually too fast for my group
>Have a whole pile of stuff I cut from the deck over a year of tinkering
>Go through my collection and fish out some questionable lands and all of my fun creatures in jund
>Challenge myself to make the deck cheaper than a large pizza, which is about 25 rubels
>Feel the deckbuilding joy peak again
Who'd've thunk, having both mana- and card-advantage in the command zone at a low cmc means you can kind of do whatever and it'll work.

>>95899040
Set boosters were objectively the best of the "NEW" type of boosters jews of the coast offered

>>95899548
>I genuinely think everyone should proxy a cedh deck and do a couple casual cedh rounds to get a feel for it.
I did this and the level of salt from the cEDH regulars over kingmaking and "why are you removing MY stuff?" was far worse than from the casual EDH crowd. I can only speak for my local area, but the cEDH regulars I know are insufferable and I'll stick with my craw meta.

I feel like cedh and bracket 4 players are the leftovers from the exodus of the older formats the guys that couldn't move on, but not good enough, or wealthy enough to keep playing the 1v1 formats. They always trying to optimize it to a ridiculous level and making all kinds of really effective decks but a slug/snoozefest for other players to play with. Finding edh fun for all the wrong reasons.

lel

>>95899603
Post list?

>>95899779
>but the cEDH regulars I know are insufferable
all of them are like this anon. trust me. they are just elitist jerks.

>>95899016
Theyre a lot of fun to play but not against real players, making your 3 turn combo take 15 minutes to execute while others are stuck watching is indeed a miserable way to spend time with fellow hobbyists

https://moxfield.com/decks/vEKenWOSJ0ipm1zFfYQk6g
So due to feedback i made some slight changes to the deck. hows it looking now?
do I have too many mana rocks? maybe cut the signets but keep the talismans?
any cards that are really good for this commander but not in the list here, please let me know.
im new to deckbuilding and im kind of bad at it.
a IRL friend told me to run all the mana rocks (signets and talismans) but someone here said thats not good?

>>95899603
yeeah, ramp and do thing draw card is brain dead ez. couldn't imagine letting KOS legends like this be left alone

>>95898334
Honestly, using the sketch would make for a nice DIY alter.

>>95899029
Hooves makes it like she's wearing heels all day long, that's pretty sexy too.

>>95897046 (OP)
>>95899940
>hairy arms but NO pit hair
wtf brehs

>>95899328
I like how this guy looks. That he makes what he takes into mercenaries seems like it could be useful and is cool as a sort of thematic recruiting. How does he usually play out?

>>95899029
Inshallah like a dessert jackal I would be on that goat like there is no tomorrow

>>95899309
Are you playing a commander that has a reputation for being a menace? Otherwise I don't really see why everyone would be focusing you down so much and ignoring each other.

>>95899819
Bracket 4 in my experience is where all the bad players condense. Usually some moron that thinks their deck NEEDS all those staple cards to do anything useful, or a moron that spent his life savings on real copies of cards that all ended up on the GC list.

>>95899967
the deck usually involves around playing as many outlaws as u can, committing crimes for buffs or effects, cards that steal opponents board or cards from their hand directly, recursion cards that bring back lost stuff/effects.
https://moxfield.com/decks/uOEWGiL3jkSB4DS38HJ2fw?utm_source=edhrec&utm_medium=deck_summary
This isnt my list but its a good example.
Basically, your stradegy is every time your turn begins, you check how many outlaws you have on the field. lets say you have 3 (including Flint himself).
You choose an opponent and exile 3 off the top of their library. You can then use your own mana pool and use any mana types to cast opponents cards.
Its a deck that is just fun to play. Stealing opponents good stuff when getting lucky is just a fun mechanic.
You'll annoy opponents but you won't really be targeted.
Your gameplan is to just annoy the other players and outlast them.

>>95899967
I've seen it played, it's a bit janky but mercenary/outlaw tribal support has a lot going for it. Although it is more for the fun of taking peoples cool stuff and didn't seem to focus much on winning.

>>95899961
You expect the design team to make a decent or actually controversal (no, a fat kid with blue and green hair isn't controversal, it's just pushed slop) character design decision? They neuter down the artists (who supposedly know what they're doing, unlike those hacks) all the time (the reason as to why her lower torso was hidden later was probably to avoid having to make the fur transition visible with her lower half).

>>95900007
>it is more for the fun of taking peoples cool stuff and didn't seem to focus much on winning.
yeah exactly. its a deck designed for a laugh and for fun. you don't care about winning with this deck.

>>95900021
Well then I can recommend building it, I think it was pretty cheap to build too. Having something based on crimes too is good in the deck since taking people's stuff is a crime trigger. There's also the thematic of the outlaws like pic related I saw being played with the deck.

>>95900052
Back in Town is based. its themed well too.

>>95900059
Also pretty cheap given that it doesn't care about their mana value, just their subclass and how many of them you want back.

New mechanic reveal at Magicon

Obliviate: Written as Obliviate 1 Artifact (creature/enchantment/permeant ect)

Sacrifice target X you control where X is the obliviate type. Target opponent sacrifices a permeant of the same type of your choice.

The lore behind it will be that you are creating an antimatter version of the permanent and mashing them together to destroy both. There will be a legendary rare that lets you cast a spell of equal or lesser value as the sum of the cmc oblivated cards. There will be an eldrazi that lets you obliviate lands and create token lands that tap for 2 colorless.

>>95900021
Gonti, Night Minister is cool too for the steal if you don't care about the winning, but about the fun.

>>95900084
>gonti from aetherdrift
yes, you definitely add him in the 99 for Flint, or even make him the commander mono black but ur more limited with only black.

>>95900073
Source?

I refuse to play against theft decks because I'm not paying fucking $20 for a homeward path.

>>95900073
This is retarded

Im making a playmat which Ill edit in art after but what do we think about the zone placement/ideas?

>had 2 hours sleep last night
>spent all day today with group playing EDH, around 5 hours+
>get home, quick dinner, shower, go to bed early
>mfw 2 hours sleep again
>today is with the group again for 5+ hours with only 2 houts sleep
this isnt related to the thread and "muh blog", but why the fuck cant my brain switch off and sleep?
I hate this.
For context, 2 days a week back to back days I play with a group of lads at a local pub. We do it every week for like over a year now.
I slept fine every other day of the week, but when I needed sleep, i didnt. fuck sake.

>>95900073
Sounds cancerous as fuck. Hope you're full of shit.

>>95900084
They made up for it with the set's command tower but I sort of wish they'd have made some space for flavor text on this guy.

>>95898272
I can't believe they actually just gave her a giant fucking cock
>it's her knee
No her feet are both next to each other
>she's holding her dress up
That would require her fingers to be in a pinching position, she's clearly resting her hand cupped on something that's straining her dress
What absolute madman got away with this?

>>95899469
>>95899983
well, maybe but I'd argue their are way worse
it has happened numerous times now but this was today:
>me piloting nu-volrath but I didn't even cast it. I had carnifex demon to stop the token deck from going off but could only activate it once before my next turn
>non-token opponent goes "sorry, I don't want my future creatures dying." and doesn't do anything to stop the token player from building up again. just slams down manabraps and passes to me
>fair enough, I put down defence of the heart and say that I'll get something to stop the token player next turn and the manabarbs killing everyone
>next up belakor player goes "sorry, that's too scary" and destroys it instead of manabarbs
>we keep taking damage and eventually I only have one removal left to decide if the token player or the manabarbs player wins
maybe the real move is to actually either not play and have some manasinks while chilling and sandbagging or combo fast

>>95900145
I hope he had a good laugh about it and still does. Bet he was nervous as hell when he submitted it and was wondering if they'd notice her massive throbbing member.

>>95900073
>Sacrifice target
and this is how you know it's fake and gay

>>95900185
>>95900145
Why are gays so insufferable

>>95900207
wut? but she has a feminine penis

First gamestop CB had a surge noctis. Stopped for another on the way home and pulled this. They had one left, should I send my wife in after work to get the last CB?

>>95900207
You're pretty gay if you don't find pp jokes/innuendos/eastereggs funny

>>95900324
Nta but it's hilarious when you know the story of the author fucking up, it's less funny when you have trannies going "hhhnnnggs Olivia's penis"

>>95900114
>no drugs after noon (caffeine, nicotine etc)
>1 hour before sleep time, no screens
>any form of workout for at least 45 mins to 2 hours a day (just walking counts, especially when you live in the hills/mountains)
>no refined sugar in diet
those are some basics. if you can't do this, then you better get used to feeling like shit for the rest of your life.

>>95899864
Still making cuts atm. Maybe later today, or in the next thread

>>95900107
I'd personally switch gy and library on that layout. it's public information plus I can fan it to see what's in it myself

>>95900261
Decent pack. Cloud + buster sword+ any type of double strike is absolute bullshit

>>95897057
Satyrs are hairy, retard.

>>95897057
Did fox news turn off at your place?

>>95900412
Did you read a doctor Oz health journal?

>>95900602
I have no idea what a doctor oz is and I don't care

>>95900602
I would love to see you argue for not doing any of those things anon suggested. AI or FF tourist?

>>95899396
I also played against a really boring Y'shtola deck that just turtled up and poisoned everyone to death

Ah yes. Coomander, the fake format that once made official started killing MTG.

>>95899487
whoever draws into their Thoracle combo first and has enough counterspells to ram it through

>>95897046 (OP)
>Post a disappointing commander.
Playing people against each other isn't as easy as you may think.

>>95900073
>legendary rare
nigga

>>95900495
>reaching over your library to get to your graveyard
just asking for a knock over

>>95900145
it was supposed to be her knee but some retard wanted it changed because it looked like she was flashing the entire crowd below her

>>95897465
Always has been

>>95897477
>mono-white
>draws cards and makes treasures
Like flies to shit

>>95900627
Anon if you feel the need to do all that or you feel bad, you have a health issue. Normal people don't work out 2 hours a day. Feel free to do all that but don't lie to encourage others to. If you need to lie then there is clearly a lack of advantage to doing what you want.

>YOU'LL FEEL BAD
I don't. Your genes suck.

>>95900820
>if you feel the need to maintain very simple health habits, you're actually unhealthy
wat

>>95900757
I feel you bro. goad is the only thing that really works because otherwise they can just collude against you and durdle

>>95899967
>tutor for lantern of insight asap
>do your best impression of Flint while the table glares at you
Other than that, beat face with outlaws (the best ones are usually rogues with some of the more recent pirates) while stealing shit and commiting crimes.

>>95897524
Lord of Tresserhorn, pretty basic Voltron set-up with some sac shit as the side hustle. You gotta have Anger, Filth and Wonder in a deck like this, or my personal favorite secret tech, Homura. And no, I'm not running Torpor Orb to negate the ETB, my opponent can draw two, I don't give a shit. I guess the wincon is Loxodon for health points, or whatever fuck busted Equipment flavor of the month fits in the deck.

>>95900853
>beat face
>stealing shit
>commiting crimes
Just as god intented for rakdos/grixis instead of that spellslinger/wheeling wishywashy

What is the best way to do this? Equipment or +1 counters?

>>95898166
Wait until I tell you about the literal succubus they just moved to RAW

>>95900906
I miss the chick with all the piercings

>>95900901
>boros
You got one guess and if you say counters you need to running the gauntlet.

>>95900919
>*run the gauntlet

>>95899328
Beat up people with lands!

How do I make my friend stop cheating by slowly shuffling sol ring into every opening hand without calling him out on it

>>95900943
start offering your deck for a cut and give him a pointed look and maybe a "hm" if he doesn't do the same

>>95900901
The 99 of a mardu equipment deck

>>95900901
por que no los dos

>>95900943
Cut decks

>>95900911
Rhea? She's still basically top dog among the women. Certainly gets the loudest reactions from the crowd.

>>95900943
Cut his deck. Ezpz.

>>95900820
>Normal people don't work out 2 hours a day
labor is pretty normal and means 8+ hour workouts.
not moving your body at all because you work in an office or are a neet is not normal for a human.
>Feel free to do all that but don't lie to encourage others to
literal bucket crab behavior. encouraging others to improve their health to develop better sleeping habits is a simple truth that miserable little shits like you will never be able to suppress. go rot in your own filth.

>>95900938
>This commander
>Some guy plays a boardwipe
>turn all his lands into 1/1 creatures
So much salt, I could have salt for days with targeted land destruction.

>>95900969
my large scary wife

>>95900943
cut his hand

>>95900943
cut his neck

>>95900901
Equipment is too slow.

>>95900943
He's fucking 10 or something, are you playing commander with your small cousins, or sibling?
>without calling him out on it
No shame him else he will keep doing it

>>95900969
Hottest by far

>>95900896
I'm genuinely surprised this doesn't give you the means to steal things. It's an interesting twist on the lore too. WOTC can still design good cards, who knew?

I want to see shitty versions of cards

>>95901026

>>95900820
If I don't do those things I don't feel bad, but if I do those things, some to the extreme such as days without drugs, I feel so intensely better. Goody for you being the ubermensch thriving on Mcdys and 3 hours of sleep after the 10 hour anime goon sesh

>>95901036
It's ok

>>95901026

>>95901093
He said shitty.

>>95899256
Yet they are still much better than CEDH though current standard is terrible.

>>95899406
CEDH does not take more skill to win then spiking a 1v1 tournament

>>95901036
>everything is flat/cartoony except the realistic person
All they had to do was match the person's art with the rest of the card and it'd be just fine.

>>95901195
It is.

>>95901019
I dunno I think it's good that it doesn't so one can focus on using smaller steal creatures/spells instead of just making a voltron commander.

>>95901221
That's my point. Not be an all-in-one design feels off for the contemporary design team, and that's worthy of commendation.

>>95901026

>>95901240
>NIGGRAVATED ASSAULT

>>95901207
>>95901036
The full one is kind of alright. Those kinds of more experimental art are usually used for more niche cards, not a multi-format staple (I presume) such as Faithless Looting, where people would be seeing it a lot.

>>95900919
Are we pretending white doesn't have a shit ton of counter support?

>>95901734
No I'm saying if you can't think like a true boros player you can at least be punished if not killed like a true boros player.

>>95901036
>>95901669
sheeze that's ugly as hell, it looks better at a distance when it just looks like an art deco-ish theme

>>95901669
it looks a lot better when you know it's actually a painting and not a photoshop. in the card it's done really bad by the frame and cropping.
it's still not a great fit for the game, but it's not as bad as I thought the first time I saw it.

cEDH is for retards
UB is for chads
If you disagree with either you're a troon
These are the unassailable truths of Commander

>>95901843
me on the left

>>95897744

>>95897744
.

What are some cards that aren't very good but you run anyway?

>>95901953
Free creature removal every 3 turns is garbage later in the game but when I get it in my opening hand it makes for great politicking

>>95902005
love all these cards, have never had a good result with them

>>95901909
>have to lose card advantage for minimal gain
>meanwhile skirge familiar exists

>>95898659
>and Raven Form.

>remember this card
>why do I never play it again?
>holy shit it exiles?
>creature or artifact?
>foretell so I only need to keep 1 blue open to cast it
>holy shit
>oh
>sorcery
>so despite foretell, can literally only play it on my turn
What a fucking waste. Unbelievable. If they'd just made it a fucking instant I could see it a nice niche alternative to Pongify

>>95901843
Trannies love cEDH and UB though.

>>95899384
So, goth girls stepping on your balls huh?

>>95902121
hah that was my exact reaction I had when reading the card for the first time
>holy fuck S tier removal in blue this is going in EVERY one of my decks oh wait it's garbage

>>95902121
>>95902152
>Sorcery speed removal is garbage!!!
Brainlet hours

>>95902159
Yes, instant is better, this is not rocket surgery.
>oh shit big threat hit the table
>oh cool they decide to attack someone else, it can stay
Instead of
>they attack me
>I remove it during combat

>>95902159
1. It is.
2. It REALLY is in blue that already has Rapid Hybridization and Pongify. Hell, I would play Resculpt over Raven Form.
Sorcery removal is fine, until the player on your left throws down something that needs removing immediately and you're expecting to last a whole fucking rotation to get around to it.

>>95901843
>UB literally printed a troon
That's some cray cray projection baybee

>>95902236
So did UW. Many times actually

>>95902179
>>95902192
>wraths are bad
So this is the power of /edhg/...

>>95902275
terrible bait, anon. Apply yourself.

>Sorcery speed removal is bad
Whoa... I had no idea

>>95902121
I like alter reality

Whoa... good cards are... le bad??

>>95902297
me on the left

>>95902295
This is only good because it's another wog

>sorcery speed removal is bad
These are the same people who go "double strike is better than first strike"

>cast for R
>Declare x is 999
>Nuke someone off the table

>>95902236
>UW has no troons!

the sheer delusion of you antiUBfags is bordering actual mental illness at this point

>>95902330

>>95902275
>>95902295
>>95902301
>>95902330
>>95902341
Imagine sperging out this hard.
There's a reason people play Infernal Grasp almost 7 times more than Fell.

>>95902345
You see it every day. I love it when the "mill is bad" and "infect is bad" discussions start because people get fucking HEATED about it. I'll come back like 8 fuckin hours later and they're STILL going at it

>>95899178
Best I can do

>>95902345
This is a brainlet argument because they both cost the same

>>95902345
Just because instant is better than sorcery doesn't mean sorcery is bad. Peak midwittery

>>95902359
Even worse bait than last time.

>>95902340
That's a sorcery, i.e. bad and cannot be run in magic

>>95902341
am I the only one who read that lore article and got "he got possessed by the ghost of his grandmother" as the takeaway, and then the next day the whole store was "trans alesha is trans"

>>95899178

>>95902374
You're retarded

>>95902351
Sure but there at least they're arguing. This time two people said that there are obviously better removal options in blue than Raven Form and this man proceeded to spam the thread screeching about it.
>>95902359
Well they don't, because Infernal Grasp loses you 2 life
>but you have 40!!!!
Yeah? Still not the same cost.

Anyway, you wanna talk about brainlet arguments, you compared board wipes to single target removal.

>>95902361
We're talking about single target removal. Sorcery speed STG is strictly worse than Instant speed STG in literally all cases.
People still play Chaos Warp even though it's fucking terrible. Why? Instant speed.

>>95899178

>>95902389
I'm not even the same guy you fuck wit, you actually think you're arguing with one person

>>95899178

>>95902401
>it's not me!!!! i'm not the retard!!!!!!!!!!

This reminds me of another argument I got into here with one dude that just kept saying "finality counters are bad"
This place has never felt so much like Reddit before

>>95902389
Cost benefit dude. Exiling, costing 1, and hitting artifacts makes it worth the sorcery speed.

>>95902389
>People still play Chaos Warp even though it's fucking terrible. Why? Instant speed
Good Lord you are a fucking idiot

>>95902410
Finality counters are literally shit though

>>95902412
None of this is accurate.

>>95902418
Just like sorcery speed cards right

>>95902410
>This reminds me of another argument I got into here with one dude that just kept saying "finality counters are bad"
I'm looking at Shilgengar, besides mass flickering and Thief of Blood style effects, how do I deal with finality counters in a pod that's *very* removal/boardwipe heavy?

>>95902374
Mardu, not Abzan, you retard.

>>95902426
Correct

>>95902412
All of this is accurate

>>95902410
You know what's reddit? Seeing a conversation about single target removal and beginning a Chernobyl tier tard tantrum about all the cards that aren't STG removal that are played at sorcery speed

>>95902410
They are bad? They're explicitly a downside.

I play instant speed removal at sorcery speed

>>95902428
Aether snap, hexmage, solemnity and pic related

Every creature, enchantment, and artifact without flash is litterally unplayable

>>95902440
So you mean what you did?
Why are you sperging out so hard?
Why is it so hard for people with autism to accept they're wrong?

>>95902467
>right click
>inspect
First day?

>>95902457
Yeah already have stuff like that and cards like Fain, the Broker, Thrull Parasite, Scholar of New Horizons, Power Conduit, etc

>>95902464
Unironically yes

>>95902464
True

>>95902482
Imagine being this much of a schizo

>>95902301
This one is funny to me cos I play a shit load of enchantress and I love this art but I always cut it because it's not good enough.
I'm sorry but exiling under fucking sucks. Especially if you have to exile something with an ETB. I would literally rather destroy something with a death trigger than exile under in this game.

>>95902550
>I'm sorry but exiling under fucking sucks
I've never seen it stick. It's *always* met with some 1-cost instant that removes the enchantment when it resolves. I know o-ring effects have their place in Magic but as a defensive tool against someone else's stuff? Just shit tier strategy

>>95902542
Huh? Wuh?

>>95902575
I'm shocked people don't do this to swordbro constantly

>>95902575
Retard

>>95902589
I accept your concession anon, get on with the seppuku.

>>95902592
Retard

>>95902563
Yeah it fundamentally relies on them not having an answer to it.
Of course counterspells are the answer to other removal, but theyre also the answer to everything so it doesn't sting as much as GoF'ing and then some retard plays literally ANYTHING that brings it all back again. Even just bouncing a nonland permanent will do it.

>>95902596
Silence, you are exiled until this card is removed. At instant speed no less.

>>95902592
Wow you really won the argument so hard that you had to Photoshop your opponent saying they're gay and going to seppuku. You truly are amazing anon, you really sperged out there because people play sorcery speed cards. Maybe you should have some tendies before bed you retarded child

>>95902611
>you had to Photoshop
NEW
I even told you how its done lmao

>>95902610
In response to the trigger I cast Search for the Frozen Esper

>>95902641
In response I channel BAZINGA

>>95902126
They also love air

>>95902660
I feel like bazinga would be a reskinned lightning bolt

>>95902661
Do they? Then why do they ack?

>>95902688
Reality manipulation

>>95901843
the only person I've seen so far with an FF deck is an actual tranny

Should you grade any of the surge foil commanders? I know normally you shouldn't but final fantasy is breaking all sorts of norms for collectibility

>>95902825
no gaems

>>95902359
no, it's a brainlet argument because one is in a precon and one isn't.

>>95902825
Our tripfag posted one just the other day

>>95902845
like I said

>>95902855
>the fat controller laughed
You are wrong

>>95902881
Put the trip back on faggot. Literally no one would defend your honor on whether or not you're a troon but you.
You never fucking learn.

>>95902881
then allow me to further clarify, the only person *in real life* I have seen with an FF deck is a literal tranny

I don't see any good Squall + Lurrus lists

>>95902887
Swordbro is one of very few cool posters in this general aside from the futafaggotry

Mods are asleep, post cards where reading the card doesn't explain the card.

>>95902929
you can't companion lurrus in squall
because, y'know, squall costs 4

>>95902933
dunno anon seems very straightforward to me

>>95902942
He's not in my deck. He's in my command zone.

>>95902951
>WB
this feels racist

>>95902951
>dying is freedom
Whew...

>>95902951
>we can't even design shitpost cards ourselves anymore
I hate LLMs so fucking much

>>95902951
>they go looting at the end

>>95902956
>year of our demiurge 666
>he's not a gnostic
gmi

>>95902968
oh god I took it as some analogy of capitalism but your posts makes much more sense

>>95902931
Lmao fuck off. Put it back on.

>>95902931
Put the trip back on. You're not fooling anyone.

>>95902951
>Can't Breathe
>1WU
>Instant
>Target creature loses all abilities and becomes a 0/1 Martyr creature until end of turn. At the beginning of the next end step, destroy it.

>>95902991
0/1 assassin gentle giant

>>95902951
Seems pretty broken for flicker decks.

>>95902991
>Stop Resisting
>3WW
>Enchantment
>Whenever a creature becomes tapped outside of combat, destroy it.
>Whenever a creature you control becomes blocked, destroy up to one creature blocking it.

>>95902998
Ah but with the Martyr creature type we could do a bunch of shit like
>If a Martyr creature an opponent controls dies, all creatures your opponents control are goaded.

>>95903005
>create a ton of mana
>flicker your dudes for a bunch of cards/life
Is there an enchantment version of pic rel? Flooding the board would be 2ez

>>95902931
le put it le back on

>>95902987
>>95902976
>no dude no one would disagree with me
>samefagging in the most ironic way

>kefka player summons worldgorger dragon
>exiles kefka and his board
>consign to memory
>gets pouty and whines the remainder of the game
>uses his free counter spells out of spite


That guy then went to play a goad deck, put gold curse on me turn 1, then whined when I removed his commander for the third time when I was at 15 and everyone was at 40

Some people are morans

Pic related

Should I try to make a super powerful clive deck or just chill monored

>have 4 angels out, declare each as blockers
>cast Hold the Line
>sac all of them to Shilgengar with Mirkwood Bats out
>everyone fucking dies
now this is podracing

>>95903056
>6CMC
>monored
you shouldn't make a Clive deck at all

>>95903046
>dude everyone loves me- I mean swordbro! :)
Here's a tip my man, only you refer to yourself as swordbro. Everyone else calls you swordtard, or swordfag, or retard, or the tripfag

>>95903087
>didnt even follow the reply chain
I STARTED by typing "tripfag", you have autism and are schizophrenic. Please seek help (snort my balls)

>>95903098
No. You said
>our tripfag
I said
>the tripfag
Because no one fucking wants you here. No one has any fondness for you. No one thinks of you as part of some "/edhg/ community"
You are not "ours" you are not welcome.

>>95903110
See
>you have autism and are schizophrenic
You will spend every day of your life having imaginary conversations with swordbro regardless of who you're talking to. We like him more than we like you <3 ^.^

>>95902330
Chupacabra is good because you can loop it.

>>95903115
>know you've been caught out
>even try to sidestep being caught out
>can't
>post retard shit and act smug
Gee why would anyone not want you here?

>>95903121
>be wrong
>double down

whats the over/under that swordbro shows up at the start of the new thread like nothing happened?

>have three beloved decks
>they do everything I like
>no reason to build anything new
>nothing in FIN that I want for them
Do I just wait until Space Wars or what?

>>95903144
Odds so high no one would accept your bet

>>95903155
that's the perfect position to be in, buying like one single a year tops

>>95903155
How the fuck do you live like that? I have 10 decks and 6 partially built. I cannot fucking stop finding commanders that sound cool and thinking about building them

>>95903144
Nothing even happened in this thread bro, calm your tits. Stop caring about 4chan e-drama

I "pretend" to be swordbro for fun

>>95903170
I have 36 decks and it's not enough

>>95903185
>Swo
That's cute, I appreciate the effort

>>95903185
Hey!

Perhaps we all are poopdickschizo

I took off the trip

Is lifelink in voltron worth it or should I be trying to win before I would need the lifegain?

Schizos in this thread
>poopdickschizo
>Hat-schizo
>Sorcery-schizo
>Anti-Ub-schizo
>Swordbro

>>95903210
Yes

>>95903214
You forgot proxyschizo and coomschizo

>>95903226
Who is coomschizo

>>95903170
~150 deck anon here. Realistically only 20ish get played or worked on.

>>95903240
moxfield lists don't count

Poopen sharten farten?

>>95903249
I've posted before, quick match's it's ~75 precons I haven't touched much, 50 in various states of upgrades with one legit cedh deck. Then a cube, Jumpstart cube, a few modern decks and a legacy deck.

>>95903214
>tfw known poster and not a schizo
Feels great

>>95903314
trip back on now

Put the trips in the bag

>>95898166
exava
for prime flavor

>>95903155
More or less? There's a couple of cards in the set that could work for some of my current decks but nothing I really feel like building around. If you need to scratch that build something list you could always go and try building an older commander that you always wanted to try? Also fuck, I wish they'd revisit Street Fighter.

>Start playing with a group
>They all had 7s at that point.
>Stomp them with jank
>Make new actually optimized deck
>stomp them
>brackets come out, they all have 4s,
>Make 3's
>Stomp them
>Play a unmodified precon
>Still stomp them
I really don't know what else to do, they get really passive aggressive about me beating them nearly every game

>>95903410
Play their decks against them and stomp them. Make sure to keep a middling hand for good measure.

>>95903261
>Various states of upgrades
i have 5 i feel are updated to a ready2rock status
1.Gishath
>ramp and stax dinos
plays well with or against others and the bigger dinos wrap up the games that drag
2. Jhoira of the Ghitu
>spin plates, and socialize
everybody knows what im capable of, so i play this deck as a social option so as to sell chaos to people as we kill each other
3.Ayula
>bears
bear shit, if you know you know
4.Rex, Cyberhound
>get in everyone's trash, be the best dog
another deck for not winning, though this one is for deliberately being a dunce in more casual kitchen-table settings like showing a newer player how time waster decks work thanks to all its moving parts
5.Seizan
>cards moving anywhere sucks
everything mono black has at its disposal for punishing card movement is paired with enough removal to sell dirty work while you give people AIDS draws and stinging discards
Meanwhile i have a cozy 8 decks in some variant of fractured/broken that i need to clean up but dear god the time between that and sifting my keeps from my bulk is robbing me for lunch money as it is

>FIN has no class cards
What were they thinking? They also could've had new choose a background commanders with Final Fantasy jobs.

>>95903521
>FF didnt waste slots on bad design
Nooooo....

>>95903521
They mentioned they were considering doing a class system for the 14 precon but apparently it was considered too complicated so they went with what they ended up doing. Lame. Backgrounds were interesting.

>>95903521
>no level up cards
>no experience counter cards
Boggles the FUCKING mind desu senpai

>>95903345
B-but I need it..

Flickering a creature with Arrest will put the aura in the graveyard. What about flickering a creature with Minimus Containment? It says the creature is now an artifact, so I'd need a "flicker an artifact" effect like Guardian of Ghirapur, but does the same thing happen with Arrest? Will Minimus Containment be sent to the graveyard and only my creature comes back?

>>95903576
any time a permanent leaves the battlefield unless it specifically notes that things attached to it stay attached then it stops being attached to those things, including equipments, auras, counters, etc.

>>95903583
Ah, that makes total sense. Thanks anon

>>95903021
Can someone explain to me at a retard level how the many times the process repeats due to the two XX mana cost. Can I pay one X with 2 mana and the other X with 1 mana then repeat 3 times?

>>95903214
Don't forget the UB schizo.

>>95903728
you have to pay the same for both X
first you say how much mana you want to spend on X. let's say you pay 2.
now you have to pay 2 PER X, so the total spell cost is 2+2+2W, total 7. you repeat the process 2 times.

>>95903728
Card's base cost is 2{W}, so pay that. If you want to repeat one time, then X=1, so you're paying {1}{1}{2}{W} for a total of 5 mana. If you want to repeat twice, X=2, so you're paying {2}{2}{2}{W}, for a total of 7 mana. Repeat 3 times is X=3, {3}{3}{2}{W} for a total of 9 mana. Add up at will.

>>95903728
X = X, just like high school algebra. they need to be the same. if they could be different, it would be XY.

Ashnodfag vs Swordfag
Get your opinions in before I make the new thread

>>95903950
I pick Veldranefag

>>95903986
he cute

Sex with goblins

>>95904057
make her a becca and you've got a deal

>>95904057
Should have given her a massive schnoz.

>>95904057
hnnnnnnngh

>play deck with 3-4cmc commander that is a great value piece and strategy-enabler at the same time but needs to survive a round before he does something
>gets removed at instant speed every time
yes, my opponents always have it. how do you play a commander like this? cast it 2 turns late so you can hold protection? not play them at all?

>>95904188
>cast it 2 turns late so you can hold protection?
Pretty much. That's about all you can do.

>>95904188
Play a <=1cmc commander (https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=%28game%3Apaper%29+cmc%3C%3D1+is%3Acommander) and make the rest of the non-land non-manadork cards cheap protection spells and counterspells.

>>95904188
On-board protection is really strong. Mother of runes and Spellskite are just nuts cards that randomly hose entire strategies, but Sylvan Safekeeper/Kira and a few dozen others are pretty good too.

>>95903537
Shit like this is what's actually killing magic
The test cards proved this to me. They can still make interesting designs. They just don't make it to print

>>95904188
which commander is it

>>95904225
>On-board protection is really strong
true, every game where I have mother of runes or something similar out usually works out for me
>>95904237
I'm talking about all sorts of mostly 3-color commanders in the 3-4 cmc range, like rocco or bumbleflower. if I get early boots or mother of runes etc, no problem, but without those, I can pretty much skip playing my commander because he's gone before my next turn.

>>95904235
My beloved

>>95904235
>new stupid bad keywords is the good design they're hiding
lmao you're such a faggot
>>95904352
>dragons get MORE support

>>95904358
Retard

>>95904383
>interesting design
>it's just stupid keyword slop
>NO DUDE SERIOUSLY IT'S AMAZING DESIGN
Thoughtweft is just a worse form of "kithkin you control have X". Nimble is Skulk tier. "Can't be blocked by babies" is such a shitty power they print it extremely rarely and it never makes creatures more desirable.

>>95904392
But anon, Nimble is the opposite of can't be blocked by babies. It's can't be blocked by adults.

>>95904400
The point I was making is that super specific "can't be blocked by" mechanics don't do anything for anyone except for Protection, Intimidate/Fear, and Menace. We've had "Can't be blocked" for years, so if you're against a player who is making a big board of weenies, it's useless, and if their board is a huge board of big boys, I doubt a 2/2 that can't be blocked is gonna change anything with yet another pointless keyword.

>>95904392
God damn you're retarded

>>95903214
>poopdickschizo is antiUB as well
Now you niggers can stop claiming just one person is shitting up the thread with anti UB rhetoric hehehehe

>>95904400
Skulk already exists

make magic great again

There's a guy at my LGS, who is contantly talking talking about himself, how much he knows about the game, what decks he has. Nobody listens, but he doesn't care and just keeps on talking. He constantly over explains the rules, when nobody asked. He brags that he knows every card. If you let him, he will ramble on about his manaless dredge EDH deck(it's terrible btw) or any of his other whacky never-seen-before deck builds for hours.
I picture every single poster in this thread as this guy.

>>95897642
>>95897882
>>95898960

>>95904513
Would you quit yapping bro? Do you ever shut up?

>>95904513
>he doesn't have the library memorised in his brain
bet you can't even name all the second gen pokemon. ngfmi

>>95904515
mtgcardbuilder is down, sad!

>look at some decks on moxfield
>"aggro"
>it's a deck that doesn't attack until t5-6
by that time I have already killed a man

>>95904578
>netdecking for commander

>friend has flipping out about his new awesome vivi deck for a week
How do I tell this guy nobody is going to let him play the game if he plays Vivi? Everyone knows how dumb this commander is by now. Me and the boys are stoning him to death every time he's cast. He gets sensitive about being targeted and I know for a fact he's not going to react well to every piece of spot removal being thrown at him.

>>95904586
>he never checks out other decks for fun
it's okay to admit that you hate the game

>>95904597
>I cast removal on your commander
>Why would you do that? My entire deck depends on my commander!
>Yeah, that's why I did it.
>But now I can't do anything! What where you thinking?!
With some people it's like a piece of their brain is missing.

>>95904597
why is it always izzet cards that do this?
no other color combination has this level of unawareness combined with self masturbation

>>95904605
I actually do

>>95904612
>Uremi player casts early Sol Ring
>i blow it up
>he gets visibly frustrated
>follows it up with a Frontier Siege on Kahns Mode
he still got to do his braindead piss easy babby mode shit, but still was pissed regardless because it happened a turn later.
some people, mane

>>95904675
misclicked, wrong picrel

>>95904675
>>95904684
what the actual fuck

>>95904675
>the best thing to think about whilst despairing about life and the state of the world is that other people are just as miserable and see the world as just as shit and miserable as you do

isn't this just reinforcing your depression?

>Open Archideckt
>Roll d100 five times for Commanders by popularity
>Smash EDHREC 99 times each
>Send to proxy printer
>Sleeve up all the cards
>Don't read any of them until I draw them
Ah yeah, ready for Friday night and I'm gonna be everyone's problem

proxying should be banned

>>95904726
me in the middle

proxying should be encouraged by wotc

>>95903214
You forgot samefagschIzo who always rapid fires three different one sentence replies unilaterally declaring they "won" whatever stupid argument they're trying to make, and ^.^ :) troonschizo

This board needs IDs, it'd help reduce a lot of the garbage if these fags had to stop pretending like we all can't see it's the same 3-4 retards shitting up each thread.

>>95904513
That guy sounds dumb as shit. I'm too smart and handsome to be that guy. My opinions are too good.

>>95904882
What is Magic 30

>>95904992
a bannable offense

>>95904890
You're basically just suggesting that everyone become a tripfag

>>95904597
This is the problem with the "engine" commanders.
I'm sure that Vivi is fun..... Provided that he actually lives for more than a turn. And given his popularity/ notoriety it's not going to take anyone too long to figure out that he should be a prime target for removal.

I will admit that I too get excited by these designs but usually when it comes to the phase when I am drafting the deck on moxfield, I realize how screwed I am in case of a lot of targeted removal, and I usually end up abandoning the build for something a bit more resilient without its Commander.

In my opinion this is a flaw of the game. I think that if Commander was rebuilt from the ground up it would be different, but the rules of magic were not originally conceived for a game like this.

>>95904597
My hot take is still that black waltz is better than vivi

>>95904597
>Me and the boys are stoning him to death every time he's cast
Why? Unless he's comboing it's literally just a ping for one

I have a bad habit of winning too many games and getting targeted first every game because of it. So I might as well lean into it. What's a commander or deck style that screams "I am the Archenemy" every time you play?

>>95905261
I dunno, atraxa?

>>95905261
all eyes on me

>>95905261

>>95905261
Weeeeeeellllllllllll

>>95905247
>i'm playing a different kind of storm deck!

>>95905261

>>95905379
Ok

>>95903214
and of course you, the schizo-schizo

>>95905407
>you you don't understand it's a different kind of Urza Lord High Artificer deck!

>>95905416
>you don't understand it's a different kind of hat set!

>>95905422
literally the excuse people make for Streets of New Capenna

>>95897294
Kamigawa and Lorwyn are based off things but unique. Theros has a lot more really lazy direct matches.

>>95905426
I liked Capenna despite its flaws. Knowing it was going to be cops and robbers but they pulled the cops during george floyd is a bummer, it's not like anyone of any importance would have really complained

>>95905434
At least Theros didn't cross the line into hat set. Lazy parody of real life myth, sure. But it wasn't a set about greek myth MOVIES or their tropes.
They really could have had a satyr that looked like danny devito and had it put +1/+1s on Hero creatures

>>95905426
Literally they excuse they use for alara

>>95905457
now this is shitposting

>>95905452
Theros is a glorified trampoline

>>95904513
This guy sounds really cool and into magic and you sound like a whiny underage faggot

>>95905448
I desperately fucking hope that Magic has a diarrhea flush out like D&D just had.
For D&D it's been pretty bad because word is a lot of them left because Hasbro inserted too much corporate interest into the structure, but at the same time Mearls and Crawford have been total ass-cancer for over a decade and watching them talk about present D&D as if they weren't responsible for it is hilarious

>>95904890
There are plenty if ^.^ers but i definitely started it and sadly for you I am a straight white man with an 18 year old girlfriend. Seethe loser

>>95905203
Your retarded contrarian take.

Can someone define "Hat Set" for me? Is this just the new term for top-down design?

>>95905261
you can basically use him as automaton player because the game is over if people are not focusing him. he routinely closes down games at t5 in bracket 2.

>no shadow dragon related effect
i guess i could throw Kokusho in but any spice for this that isnt just worse Shorikai?

>>95905535
They're both pretty good.

>>95905470
>a diarrhea flush out like D&D just had
qrd? have they backpedaled on the infantilization of their universe and stopped portraying it as some diverse LGBT paradise?

>>95905261
anything released 2019 onwards

>>95905535
How is he anything like Shorikai? You also have access to black which is way better for a graveyard deck than white.

>>95905543
No they haven't but the two most recognizable lead designers have left because they're unhappy with how Hasbro is running things.
So the gay shit may continue, but the point is for the first time in over a decade there might actually be some new blood in charge and they might begin to do things differently.

I'm not saying there WILL be an improvement, but at least with a flush out there might be. With the old-guard in for another 10 years it would never happen.

>>95905504
it's top-down design that leans far more heavily modern pop culture with very minimal effort made to make it "fit" into a fantasy setting rather than a fantastical reinterpration of broader genres/real-world mythology or cultures (i.e. Duskmourn is based on Stranger Things-style 80s horror compared to Innistrad being more broadly based on gothic horror) combined with established characters playing dress-up to match the plane.

It's become more widely used as a term, and taken on a more negative connotation, in the Omenpaths era, especially with MKM and OTJ, but they really go back as far as Shadows Over Innistrad. A "hat set" isn't necessarily bad, e.g. SOI or Ixalan, but it's essentially become shorthand for lazy pop-culture-reliant design.

>>95905524
i hate this stupid retard
"lets cEDH the EDH pod up by just winning T4, maybe 3 if we have a Sol Ring start, but not actually play cEDH"

>>95905524
>t5
>b2
No he does not lol

>>95905561
I wouldn't get my hopes up. I can't even remember the last time I went through a p&p rulebook and thought "cool" instead of "wtf". it's all so ugly and stupid.

>>95905568
The worst offender for this was neon kamigawa.
Og kamigawa showed they did their job to look into the cultural background they were lifting from
Neon kamigawa reads like some weeb from south Cali.
In the first story a character jumps over a cherry tree and goes 'WOW CURRY BUNS SUGOI' it's just like my animeim convinced this was on purpose because MaRo hates kamigawa

>>95905580
he is mostly boring once everyone understands they NEED to team up against him, and then he dies like a wet fart. he is the main reason why I started to build decks with better interaction.
>>95905603
I envy your pure and innocent soul

>>95905607
Pride events in the US are reporting record low turnouts. I really wouldn't be surprised if corporations decide they don't need to keep up the charade any more.
D&D 5.5 hasn't been very successful, so they might even try to get back the audience they shunned in the 5e era.
If something similar happened in Magic, in a few years time things could actually improve.

>>95905554
Maybe he meant one of the other kamigawa dragons? I'm not sure what he meant though

>>95905624
Neon Kamigawa is egregious but I'd peg Strixhaven as the turning point. The rot was apparent in Ikoria and Kaldheim, but Strixhaven went full mask-off and said "this is just Harry Potter"

>>95905643
>>95905554
He's an FF fag trying to pretend he's not a tourist

>>95905639
Most companies didn't even change to a rainbow logo this year

>>95905652
I would not be surprised if there was even a Harry Potter tie-in promotion planned before that franchise turned cancerous while it was in development. Just like the Godzilla one for ikoria

>>95905639
the pride shit not happening was one of the strangest occurrences this year. just poof, gone from one moment to the next. every single company, as if it's all centralized and controlled.

>>95905685
It's happening to "biological" versions of food products too. They're still around and have sorta taken the spot of a slight luxury version of products, e.g. biological steak as the luxury version of a regular steak.
Used to be absolutely everywhere and for everything, but it has since simmered down since word got out you can just have 1% of the product be biological and then stamp that on the whole container.
"Healthy" and "progressive" things have always been subject to trends, independent of wether they actually are.

>>95905697
do you mean organic because we're nowhere near the point where the majority of our meat is made in a lab

>>95905733
yeah he's talking about organic, they call it "bio" in german speaking countries iirc

>>95905733
Organic is the American term. It's called other things in other regions and has different regulations

Would players actually get salty over losing to the meme cactus?

>>95904708
Clinical depression is a chemical imbalance issue.

>>95905910
Some players will get salty over anything not going their way In have learned.

>>95905910
>Would emotionally underdeveloped autists get salty over losing to [Anything]?
Gee i wonder

>>95905910
Yes

>>95905910
Would I? No, if my regular pod can actually hit me with it I deserve to lose.
Would other people? Absolutely

>>95905452
theros was tropes all the way down

>>95905910
Only if you giggle like a child over big number

>>95905910
yes, this is literally overkill and thus bm
>>95905990
>if one creature hits me once I deserve to lose
you are the problem with modern design like mouse and odin

>>95906023
I'm playing Xenagos so I already do that.

>>95906069
Okay idiot

>>95906069
>thus bm
>bm
Bowel movement?

>>95906085
Bad manners zoomzoom

>>95906109
I'm 35 and I've never heard bm used as an acronym for that.

>>95906132
bm meant bad manners since like the fuckin 90s. I'm older than you and bm has only ever meant "bad manners" to everyone I know

>>95906161
It means bowel movement and it has meant that since the 90s

>>95906070
King shit. Me & you both anon.

>>95906070
My nigga. He's still my favorite deck all these years later

>>95906132
No youre a zoomer shut the fuck up

>>95906069
I think what's really funny about this is that because you're being so adamant about it (even though you're wrong), you've probably been using that acronym for a while conversation and no one knows what the fuck you're talking about. Kek. You go to say that someone has bad manners you end up talking about their bowel movements

Some things never change. I remember people pitching a fit about Phage back in the day when she was new, too.

>>95906240
Literally anyone who plays games should know this unless they are zoomers.

>>95906274
yeah, now powercreep it and we have suddenly good design??

>>95906274
Yeah? In 2003? Who were people you and the other kids at the lunch table? Larping zoomie lmfao

>>95906297
(not that anon) I've played MMOs for ages and nobody ever used this. it just doesn't seem like the sort of thing people would have used even if not abbreviated, given the way people talk online.

also
>google ai overview
at least try urban dictionary

was it AI?

>>95906328
https://hearthstone.fandom.com/wiki/Bad_manners
https://www.reddit.com/r/StreetFighter/comments/3ks1b6/why_is_bm_bad_manners_so_bad_in_other_games_but/
https://hitmarker.net/what-does-bm-mean
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?page=4&term=BM
https://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/166304/what-does-bm-stand-for-in-gaming

I think you should kill yourself.

>>95906346
Funny how when I go to a clean page of urban dictionary, this is what I get for bm.

>>95906365
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?page=1&term=BM
>page 1
>first result is bad manners
>so is third
Genuinely one of the most embarrassing displays I've seen in this thread.

Is mass land destruction considered bowel movement in your groups?

>>95906332
>those windows
>planks on the door
>the place where tribal is sneaking to makes no sense
>the ground just kinda melts around him
100% touch up work at best

>>95906385
That screenshot is from https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bm
You're selectively choosing query strings to reinforce your zoomer lingo

>>95906274
Thanks for beating me to the punch that "if you get hit, you lose" is not a modern design problem,

So we all agree that bm never meant bad manners and that mouse is ok design?

>>95906326
Believe it or else some of us have been playing magic for more than 30 years.

>>95906389
Considering if someone plays blood moon, I get up on the table and take a shit on it, yes.

>>95906332
It's a shame they didn't just use the high rez background art from the games for these

>>95906437
>(B)lood (M)oon
Hey now, now you're doubling up on your BMs

>>95906437
Should have played monocolor instead of some mishmash goodstuff.

>>95906442
I eat a lot of red meat

>>95906441
>clock turned to window that makes no sense
>fruitstand turned to basement that wasn't there
that's because they upscaled it from that with AI and it didn't know what to do

>>95906450
I run a couple mono color decks (Urza, Yawgmoth) so I'm always pleased to see how common non-basic hate is at most tables.

>>95906428
I'm still not sure what retardanon was referring to by mouse. The broken red mice from Bloomburrow? Yeah those would probably be a deaign mistake for standard/pioneer.

>>95905685
The unironic answer is they're preparing for war and know that the average citizen isn't actually willing to die for homoglobo

>>95906408
Anon i provided many links. I only included urban dictionary because you brought it up. Everything else is up to over a decade old talking about the term. The page is linked the submission is 2007. This is so fucking embarrassing for you having your larp crumble in front of your eyes

>>95906001
Name one.

>>95906346
You are now exhibiting bm

>>95906502
You should eat more fiber, it seems like you're having a bm right now

>>95906431
Sure now post some of the discourse around Phage that wasn't just you and your friends on the schoolground. Also unless you are in the PNW it is highly unlikely you've been playing for over 30 years as the game is only 31.5 years old and the first couple years it had very little presence outside of PNW

>>95906504
Escape from the Underworld

>>95906502
Please do not bring your BM into this thread

New schizo found:
>Bm-schizo

>>95906513
Fair point. Now I think about it, it was actually '98 I started in so slightly less than thirty years.
But you're also right that the discourse was much more siloed than it is now. The conversations I recall are from WotC's own forum which they nuked a very long time ago, sadly.

Back in my day when playing online games, we didn't say "bm", we said "bio break".

>>95906520
You should BM once a day for health reasons

>>95906518
That's not a trope, it's just a feature of the mythology. That's like complaining about shit relating to a river bringing fertility in Amonkhet. Yeah, we get it, it's the Nile. But that's not a fucking trope, it's just what happened.

>>95906595
I am, to this day, still amused that when LotR: the Two Towers aired in theaters that they paused the movie half way through to let everyone use the bathroom because a 3+ hour movie was unheard of at the time.

>>95906605
Underworld Journeys were a trope even in Ancient Greek times. They're a feature of almost every mythology and culture across the world.