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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:57:07 PM No.95900303
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How would warhammer, westeros and middle earth fused into a single setting work?
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:09:59 PM No.95900422
>>95900303 (OP)
It wouldn’t. You’re off your meds.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:13:24 PM No.95900454
2 of those settings have meaning, the third is warhammer. So it'd turn to shit like adding black to a rainbow.
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:16:00 PM No.95900473
im guessing
>everyone teams up with their respective races
>fighting ensues
Do all the gods join the same plane too then? I think the middle earth God would win
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:16:59 PM No.95900479
>>95900303 (OP)
Poorly. They have fundamentally different metaphysics, and I think that the other two settings largely get mogged by the fact that Eru Ilúvatar is abrahamic-god tier, which makes the forces of Chaos and the scant magical abilities of Westeros largely irrelevant.
So after the merger, the combined setting is now solidly under Eru Ilúvatar's thumb and subject to his ability to write the fate of it in advance as part of his song. From this point forward, nothing happens that Ilúvatar didn't script. This might not change much on the Westeros front, but it fundamentally fucks with everything in Warhammer Fantasy since the forces of chaos are about to get stamped out (assuming the chaos gods don't get destroyed/shut out of the setting from the outset of the merger).
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:34:41 PM No.95900594
>>95900303 (OP)
The White walkers/Great Other and Sauron join chaos as two new gods. Sauron is close enough in concept to Hashut to just combine the two.
Mordor and the Darklands are combined.
Orcs are now divided into True Orcs (warhammer Orcs) and Half-Orcs (Tolkien Orcs). True Orcs can asexually reproduce by releasing spores on death, but can also sexually reproduce with other species (usually humans), creating Half-Orcs. These can be rapebabies, or selectively bred by Chaos Dwarves, or maybe Dothraki, Hung, Kurgan and other steppe nomads purposefully breed with Orcs to create stronger warriors. Half-Orcs are more industrial and disciplined then True Orcs, but more susceptible to Chaos.
The Wall is just the western version of the Great Bastion of the Cathay. Wildlings are chaos worshippers like the Norscans but for the Great Other (Craster, Ice River cannibals, Frozen shore wildlings). The Lands of Always Winter are now part of the Chaos Wastes.
Ironborn should be connected to Norscans, maybe Lands of Always Winter are connected to Norsca with water north of it so ancient Norscans could sail to the western coast of Westeros and settle in the Iron Islands to become Ironborn?
Valyrians, Numenor and the Reman Empire are the same thing now.
Elves and Dwarves are similar enough that they dont need much change, though Im not sure where Ulthuan and Naggaroth are meant to be if Westeros is in the way.
No idea how Iluvatar fits into this
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:36:49 PM No.95900605
>>95900479
>Poorly.
/endthread
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:42:15 AM No.95902008
>>95900594
>warhammer Orcs
Ork. Also only the 40k ones do spores
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:14:52 AM No.95902204
>>95900479
>Eru Ilúvatar is abrahamic-god tier
a bratty warp entity that create a small pocket realm in the warp
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:16:18 AM No.95902215
>>95900303 (OP)
LotR Orcs would end up allying with the chaos dwarfs over their mutual love of industry and tyranny
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:01:45 AM No.95902532
>>95900303 (OP)
Aragorn would beat Jaime Lannister in a fight and introduce flat tax rate across Westeros.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:36:17 AM No.95902969
Brettonia with good writing
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:37:37 AM No.95902977
>>95902008
Orcs are fantasy, orks 40k
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:10:08 AM No.95903851
>>95900303 (OP)
I wonder what the map would look like.
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:19:57 AM No.95903881
>>95900303 (OP)
It would be shite and derivative, because it is the product of "mashup" thinking rather than bottom up design.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:22:22 AM No.95903888
>>95900594
I don't mind putting the ice wall in the north, but I think making it exclusively chaos would be kinda eh.
Like there are giants in GpT and they live north of the wall, but I could see them as a non-chaotic race that has settlements in the north and fight against chaos frequently to survive.
Though there could be some few populations south of the wall here and there and on other continents.
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:28:51 AM No.95903907
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>>95900303 (OP)
Seeing as Westeros is in Beleriand, it's at the bottom of the ocean so everyone dies. And then >>95900479 happens. Although Greenskins would probably sweep the Fighting Uruk-hai without much trouble.
>>95902204
Melkor is as strong as all chaos gods combined, not just the big four, seeing as he's the embodiment of all evil and the origin of every piece of cosmic discordance in his setting, literally equivalent to the entire realm of chaos. He's nothing compared to Iluvatar.
I fucking hate chaoswank so much.
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:30:16 AM No.95903910
>>95903907
Maybe all chaos gods are Melkor's children in this?
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:31:32 AM No.95903913
>>95903910
They're his lieutenants. Daemon Princes are equivalent to Balrogs while the Big Four are about on the level of Sauron. Sauron himself though, while a Maiar, is basically a vessel for Morgoth's will
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:35:30 AM No.95903929
>>95900303 (OP)
Warhammer is just every fantasy IP ripped off and added into one world using duck tape and kid logic to hold it together.
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:17:32 AM No.95904054
>>95903929
Sounds more like D&D...
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:09:14 PM No.95904432
>>95900479
If Iluvatar tolerated Melkor's tantrums he'll allow the Ruinous Powers to have their fun
>>95903907
Melkor should be Chaos god number 5, embodying Tyranny, Industry, Oppression, etc
Hashut, Balrogs and Sauron being his greater daemons. Chaos Dwarfs would make for much better servants as their whole civilisation embodies everything Melkor was.
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:30:56 PM No.95904524
>>95904432
>much better servants
*then orcs
Also any human tyrant can fall into his worship. The Empire should be at risk because of their industry/exploitation of nature
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:05:18 PM No.95904646
Eärendil commits dragon genocide by giving them the ol' spicy silmaril.
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:19:26 PM No.95904694
>>95902204
Khorne was at one point a minor Mongolian god, and Slannesh at one point didn't exist: the fact the Chaos bunch have a linear point of weakness means they'd automatically lose against an enlightened Monad which can reach back during their point of conception and sculpt them into what suits It. They're ultimately just super-charged daemons, even at their strongest point by 40k.
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:21:44 PM No.95904702
>>95900303 (OP)
>Caledorians and old-blooded Volantenes have a competition over who is the haughtiest pricks about having been dragon kangz back in the day
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:23:40 PM No.95904705
>>95900303 (OP)
Gay idea
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:54:44 PM No.95904816
>>95900303 (OP)
Step 1: Eru Iluvatar nukes Chaos out of existence.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:02:29 PM No.95904853
>>95904646
Damnit, now I want to see a spicy silmaril edit.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:58:45 PM No.95905403
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>>95903851
Like this. The Disputed Lands and three daughters are a part of Estalia. Brettonia and the Empire are seperated by Andalos to the North and Eriador to the south. Qohor is in the Mirkwood. The Border Princes are now in Northern Valyria, and Slaver's Bay is replaced with Gondor. The Chaos Dwarves are now in Mordor.
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:54:29 PM No.95905730
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>Here is your game system, bro
World Name: Mythralis


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Foundational Cosmology

In the beginning, the world of Mythralis was shaped by the Ainur, divine spirits who sang creation into being. Among them, some fell into corruption — and from their discord came the raw Chaos: a metaphysical force of change, magic, madness, and destruction. The most powerful of the Ainur who fell, Melkor, was the first to tap into this dark power and gave rise to the Great Ruinous Gods (the Chaos Gods), whose influence seeped into the world through the Northern Wound, a vast, reality-warping rent in the sky.

Magic flows from this wound, but its touch is perilous. The force known in some lands as “the Weave” or “the Winds of Magic” is known in Westeros as “the Higher Mysteries”, and in the East as “the Warp”.

>tbc...
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:55:30 PM No.95905735
>>95905730
Geography of Mythralis

The Known World

The Old World (Westeros + Warhammer Empire + Middle-earth’s Northwest):

Westeros is now a western peninsula of a greater continent. The North merges into Norsca and the Chaos Wastes beyond the Wall.

The Empire of Sigmar lies southeast of the Neck, replacing the Riverlands and Reach.

Gondor, Rohan, and Dale exist to the south and east of the Empire.

Mordor lies beyond the Mountains of Mourn, forming part of the eastern Chaos-tainted lands.


The Far East (Essos + Cathay + Rhûn):

Essos is fused with the vast lands of Cathay, Ind, and Rhûn.

The Free Cities exist alongside Grand Cathay, which is a powerful bureaucratic empire resisting Chaos incursions.

Braavos and Nuln are rival centers of commerce and invention.

Valyria was once the seat of both Elven and Targaryen power before its Doom — now a haunted ruin overrun by daemons and dragons.


The Southlands (Sothoryos + Araby + South Gondor):

Dense jungles full of Lizardmen temples, ancient Valyrian strongholds, and Old Ones ruins.

The fiery Red Waste borders these lands, hosting nomadic Dothraki and mutated Beastmen.


The Isles

Ulthuan, the island continent of the High Elves, exists between Westeros and Essos, reinterpreted as the remnants of Old Valyria’s inner sanctum, sustained by ancient magic.

The Iron Islands are former sea-forts of the Druchii (Dark Elves), with their kraken-worshipping culture descended from Elf corsairs and twisted Old Gods.
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:59:27 PM No.95905762
>>95905735
Races and Peoples

Men:

Northmen, Free Folk, and Norscans are kin — hardy folk touched by the Old Gods and Chaos alike.

Valyrians, Númenóreans, and Targaryens are remnants of a god-blooded ancient empire — the last of the Dragonlords.

The Empire of Man is a post-Valyrian civilization that blends Westerosi feudalism with Sigmarite militarism.


Elves:

One people fractured: the High Elves (of Ulthuan and Rivendell), the Wood Elves (of Athel Loren and Lothlórien), and the Dark Elves (Corsairs and Ironborn ancestors).

They were the firstborn of the Ainur's creation, and stewards of the Weave, but many were twisted by Chaos and ambition.


Dwarfs:

Mountain-dwelling, rune-etched craftsmen. Erebor, Karaz-a-Karak, and Casterly Rock are all parts of the same subterranean web of ancient Holds.

The Iron Bank of Braavos is a surface outpost of a Dwarven guild turned economic power.


Orcs and Goblins:

Mutated mockeries of Elves and Men, brought forth by Melkor and twisted further by the Warp.

Known in Westeros as Children of the Shadow, feared in the East as the Green Tide.


Lizardmen:

Ancient guardians of the Old Ones’ plans, they dwell in the lost temples of the Southlands.

Considered by scholars in Oldtown to be “The Serpent Folk of the First Age.”


Undead:

The White Walkers are a branch of Nagash’s Great Curse, empowered by the same necromantic energy that raised the Lord of the Rings’ wraiths and ASOIAF’s Others.

The Night King was a fallen servant of the Elven gods who sought to enslave death itself.
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:00:51 PM No.95905769
>>95905762
Magic and Faith

Magic comes from the Winds of Magic (Westerosi maesters call them the “Higher Mysteries”), each aligned with color, feeling, and form — as per Warhammer’s eight lores.

The Old Gods are slumbering nature spirits linked to Athel Loren, the Weave, and the Forest of Faces.

The Faith of the Seven is an imperialized human reinterpretation of Elven divine archetypes.

R’hllor is one name for Azyr, the Lore of Light, a divine magic associated with fire, truth, and judgment.

The Great Other is not a god, but a mask of Tzeentch, Chaos God of change and deception.
---

Major Factions and Powers

1. The Sigmarite Empire of the West – A fusion of the Holy Empire, the Faith of the Seven, and Gondor. Rules by law and sword, bastion of humanity.


2. The Northern Kingdoms – Ruled by the Starks and allied noble houses, these lands border the growing Chaos Wastes and the Weirwood-infested forests.


3. Grand Cathay and the Jade Emperors – Powerful, structured, and ancient. Guardians of eastern magic, dragons, and gunpowder technology.


4. The Remnants of Valyria – Scattered Targaryen, Dragon Prince, and Elven Highborn bloodlines who seek to reforge their empire with magic and fire.


5. The Cults of Chaos – Worshippers of the Ruinous Powers (Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeentch, Slaanesh). Spread through northern wastes, corrupted Free Cities, and southern jungles.


6. The White Walkers and the Host of Nagash – An alliance of necromancers, ice spirits, and death cults spreading cold and entropy from the north.


7. The Dwarven Guildholds – Isolated and proud. Reside in their mountain halls, forging runes and hoarding grudges.


8. The Wood Elves and Children of the Forest – Guardians of ancient secrets. Protect the Weave and natural harmony from Chaos.
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:05:36 PM No.95905797
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>>95905769
The Present Age: The Time of Sundering

The world is on the brink of collapse. The Winds of Magic are unstable, dragons stir, and ancient forces rise. The Great Game of Thrones is but the mortal echo of deeper struggles between gods, titans, and daemons. The fractured peoples of Mythralis must forge new alliances — or be consumed by the Long Night, the Green Tide, or the Storm of Chaos.

>slop for the slop thread
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:11:04 PM No.95905813
>>95900303 (OP)
haha man, bro that would be so epic.
imagine if you added Star Wars too.
"The force be with you, Aragorn."
"And also with you Danaerys."
nerdgasm
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:12:33 PM No.95905825
>>95904432
Rather than a fifth, maybe Melkor is fused with Chaos Undivided or at least is the form it takes when it needs to physically do stuff.

>>95903888
Could always turn Westeros upside down and make The Wall something the Slaan Old Ones put up to keep the Antarctica polar vortex in check so The North becomes The South. That would also make at least some of it part of Lustria's territory, so as well as the climate changing dragon-dragons hatching you also have dinosaur types and frogs waking up as well. The magic returning isn't just the changing of the seasons, it's extremely cranky Slaan waking up to find The Great Plan has gone awry.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:15:44 PM No.95905843
>>95900454
>2 of those settings have meaning,
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:36:41 PM No.95905957
>>95905762
It'd be better if Northmen/Free Folk/First Men were the same race as Estalians. Estalians claim to be the first humans in the Old World and they are roughly in the position of the Disputed Lands which is where the First Men come from. Mayve Brettonians and Andals are the same or brother tribes?
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:38:34 PM No.95905967
>>95905957
Any good suggestions like this I will tell the slop machine to incorporate in the second draft.

---


CORE COSMIC STRUCTURE

The Song of the Ainur

At the origin of all things was the Music of the Ainur, a divine symphony performed by primordial spirits under the guidance of Eru Ilúvatar. This Music gave rise to the World That Is — but also created discord, which birthed the cracks through which Chaos leaks into reality.

> The cosmos is not a static machine — it’s a resonating, living pattern. Magic, gods, and fate all stem from this original Song.
---

PRIMAL FORCES

1. Eru Ilúvatar

The unknowable Prime Mover who shaped the Ainur.

Does not act directly, but through intermediaries: the Valar, Maiar, and the laws of fate.

Worshipped indirectly through the Seven, the Old Gods, or seen as a distant concept by scholars of the Empire.


2. The Chaos Wound

A metaphysical tear in reality caused by Melkor’s original discord amplified over millennia.

It is both a place and a principle — the Northern Wound, the Warp, the Otherside — from which raw magic flows.

The Warp is the medium of dreams, madness, and daemonic existence.


3. The Weave / Winds of Magic

A fractured echo of the Music — eight primal “winds” or colors (Light, Shadow, Fire, Beasts, etc.), which mortals tap through training or blood.

In Westeros, this is called the Higher Mysteries.

In Middle-earth, Elves commune with it intuitively through harmony with the land.

Chaos seeks to unweave and remake the Weave in its own image.
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:49:25 PM No.95906054
>>95905967
DIVINE BEINGS AND DEITIES

Origin Beings Interpretations

Valar & Maiar Angelic rulers of the world. The Seven (Faith of the Seven), R’hllor, The Lord of Light, The Drowned God
Chaos Gods Manifestations of raw human and daemon emotion. Tzeentch (The Great Other), Khorne (The Storm Lord), Slaanesh (Lust, Beauty), Nurgle (The Stranger)
Old Ones Ancient godlike engineers who shaped early life. Known in Lizardman and Eastern myth as the "First Shapers"
Elven Gods Fragments or personifications of the original Ainur. Isha (Mother), Asuryan (The Father), Khaine (The Shadow of War)
The Old Gods Weirwood-bound spirits of forest and time. Possibly fractured Maiar, or linked to the Old Ones’ nature programs
---

PLANES OF EXISTENCE

1. The Mortal World – Mythralis itself

Where all the factions, creatures, and peoples dwell.

2. The Warp / The Realm of Chaos

A mutable, timeless ocean of magic and emotion.

Home to Chaos Gods, Daemons, and dream-echoes.

Wizards and greenseers touch it via dreams, prophecy, or direct channeling.


3. The Spirit World / Dreaming

A reflection of the mortal world in myth and thought.

Elves, Children of the Forest, and some Valyrians navigate this space in trance.

The Flame of Truth seen by Red Priests originates here.


4. The Underworld / Land of the Dead

Ruled in parts by Nagash (Lord of Undeath) and visited by souls before judgment.

Sometimes frozen, sometimes burning, always shadowed.

Wights, barrow-kings, and spirits escape from its cracked gates.
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:52:52 PM No.95906084
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>>95906054
THE NATURE OF MAGIC

Magic in Mythralis is a double-edged current: it can heal and build or twist and destroy.

Elves and Wizards access it through innate affinity or ancient training.

Valyrians used dragonblood and sorcery to enslave its power.

Maesters study it skeptically but fear its influence.

Priests and Greenseers experience it through visions, fire, and nature.


The source of all magic is the Song, but it has been refracted into chaos (warp), color (winds), and soul (spirit).
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:05:29 PM No.95906613
>>95900303 (OP)
Isn't this just Second Apocalypse? The Inchoroi are, for all intents and purposes, fucking Genestealers if Geiger was a concept artist.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:27:36 PM No.95906768
>>95902008
Fantasy Battle Orks and just called Orcs
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:44:58 PM No.95906895
>>95905769
>The Faith of the Seven is an imperialized human reinterpretation of Elven divine archetypes.
Smith = Aule
Warrior = Orome/Tulkas
Father = Manwe
Mother =Yavanna/Nienna
Maiden = Vana
Crone = Vaire
Stranger = Mandos
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:01:12 PM No.95906991
>>95905813
Good idea, the Witcher should be a part of this. How to fit them on the map though?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:46:13 PM No.95907306
>>95905769
No Bretonnia or Norsca?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:49:42 PM No.95907334
>>95900303 (OP)
Eru orchestrates the most contrived last second win for the good guys imaginable.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:51:34 PM No.95907349
>>95900479
Eru let ungoliant eat the trees. He'd keep chaos around to farm them for drama then give them the boot at the end when he remade the world.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:53:56 PM No.95907364
Glorfindel "balrogbreaker" bitchslaps Archeon before tearing Malekith a new asshole.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 2:43:46 AM No.95909638
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>>95900303 (OP)
>How would warhammer, westeros and middle earth fused into a single setting work?
In the end, Hyperborea would win.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:01:39 AM No.95910782
>>95900303 (OP)
Need to add in Tamriel as well.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 9:19:18 AM No.95911313
>>95903907
>Melkor is as strong as all chaos gods combined
An elf with a sword managed to wound him in personal combat. Tolkien's world functions on completely different fantasy logic from the warhammer one.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 9:30:40 AM No.95911352
>>95911313
An elf with a sword could wound Khorne too if he got off his lazy ass, stood up out of his bone chair, and came down to fight. Although Khorne's probably too scared of Gork n Mork to leave his domain :^)
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 9:40:09 AM No.95911387
>>95904432
>If Iluvatar tolerated Melkor's tantrums he'll allow the Ruinous Powers to have their fun
The ruinous powers are infinitely worse and more terrible than Melkor. Melkor kills people and corrupts them into Orcs at worst, the ruinous powers turn them into daemons or torture them for all eternity. He's putting a hard stop to them stat
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 9:56:32 AM No.95911452
>>95911352
an elf with a sword can't even wound a bloodletter anon, at most he can dispell it. All chaos entities regenerate infinitely in the warp, they can't be hurt in any meaningful way, only inconvenienced
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 3:17:41 PM No.95912641
>>95904432
> If Iluvatar tolerated Melkor's tantrums he'll allow the Ruinous Powers to have their fun

Melkor *is* Iluvatar. Iluvatar is so powerful that all of the Valar, despite being full fledged gods from the perspective of everyone else, are just aspects of his personality given form. Melkor is Iluvater's ambition, desire for control, and selfish impulses. When Melkor and the other gods fight and Middle Earth is shaped and torn asunder in the passing of their battle, that is Iluvater *thinking about his options, weighing the choices, and coming to a decision*. Melkor getting defeated and bottled up forever (but not destroyed), is Iluvater rejecting and suppressing those parts of himself.

Chaos is not a part of Iluvater. He would cut them no slack, they are purely an imposition on his world.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 3:47:33 PM No.95912803
>>95912641
>Melkor is Iluvater's ambition, desire for control, and selfish impulses
I don't think Tolkien ever indicated this, and it seems anathema to his personal beliefs. Eru is supposed to be a stand in for God, and God has no selfish ambition.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:04:42 PM No.95912921
>>95900303 (OP)
I'm more curious about you fusing your brain, a shotgun slug, and the walls around you
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:10:11 PM No.95912958
>>95900303 (OP)
Wait a fucking minute, Ulthuan is Numenor, and Malekith is just an edgier Ar-Pharazon.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:10:44 PM No.95913642
>>95904694
The person you're responding to is an idiot, but I don't think time based abilities would work very well on the chaos gods, the way the warp interacts with time in general is intentionally nonsensical. It's never worked in a logical or linear fashion, even for relatively safe warp travel it's not at all a guarantee that you're experiencing time the same as the normal world is.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:48:48 PM No.95913944
>>95904694
>Khorne was at one point a minor Mongolian god
Old rougue traders BS that doesn't apply to fantasy

>Slannesh at one point didn't exist
only in 40k, not in fantasy

>an enlightened Monad which can reach back during their point of conception and sculpt them into what suits It
Illuvatar never display such ability and you are going on only by the conflation with what people though about the abrahamic god in tolkiens time, not by what is actually showned

>strongest point by 40k
we are not talking about 40k faggot, but about WH fantasy
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:50:49 PM No.95913964
>>95911387
>He's putting a hard stop to them stat
assuming he would have any real power outside his little pocket realm(that is now outside his mind) and over the warp
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:30:10 PM No.95914689
>>95911387
>Melkor kills people and corrupts them into Orcs at worst
If Morgoth had his way the only reason it would be better is that there wouldn't be anyone to torture.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:53:15 PM No.95914838
>>95912803
Yeah but God created Satan, and God put the fruit of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden. Even if those were implemented as the testing/QA department, the end result is fairly rough. Melkor was allowed to exist for the same reasons that God allows suffering and misery to exist.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 9:05:31 PM No.95914898
>all the niggas who haven't read Ainulindale itt
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 9:08:24 PM No.95914922
The only settings that would benefit from such a merge would be the nonsensical Warhammer slop and the piece of shit that is Westeros. No thanks, I prefer Middle-earth alone without any baggage.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 9:58:45 PM No.95915277
>>95905843
Yes? Song of ice and fire has thematic purpose even if edgier than necessary
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:17:43 AM No.95918302
>>95914838
>Yeah but God created Satan, and God put the fruit of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden. Even if those were implemented as the testing/QA department, the end result is fairly rough. Melkor was allowed to exist for the same reasons that God allows suffering and misery to exist.
Oh sure, but the general Christian (and therefore Tolkien's) view is that he allows evil because he values choice. In the same vein as him giving humanity a choice with the fruit, he also gave the angels a choice of some kind in the previous creation they were apart of, which is where Satan and his fellows rebelled.
This isn't seen by Christians as a reflection of God's selfishness but rather of him valuing the ability of his creations to choose.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:19:46 AM No.95918310
>>95913964
>assuming he would have any real power outside his little pocket realm(that is now outside his mind) and over the warp
He's supposed to be omnipotent. Chaos is anything but.
>>95914689
Sure, but destruction of the body is much better than the eternal corruption and annihilation of the soul Chaos engages in. Unless souls in 40k aren't actually souls and are just random chunks of warpstuff that resemble them, and the true soul is out of Chaos' reach Eru's not letting that stand.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:47:56 AM No.95918410
>>95918310
>He's supposed to be omnipotent.
only if you assumes it has the same the same set of trait a XX century christian assumes their god has AND if also assumes those are correct and not only what it said/thinks
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:50:57 AM No.95918422
>>95905843
George has the human heart questioned constantly, fantasy is nothing more than a setting to sell over priced plastic that’s from a meaningless kitchen sink.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:51:15 AM No.95918424
>>95918410
Well, Tolkien was 20th Century catholic that was good friends with CS Lewis. He meant for Eru to be the stand in for God, with even a LOTR Jesus being meant to appear further down the timeline. It seems the easiest assumption that he is omnipotent
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 7:41:12 AM No.95918585
>>95900303 (OP)
Everything between Andalos and Volantis is free real estate. Lots of arable land, temperate climate, fairly flat terrain, and just a smidge away from utterly empty outside the Shire thanks to civil wars, foreign invasions, and plague.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 2:32:41 PM No.95920149
>>95918585
Volantis is said to be depopulated when Tyrion visits it even if it still a significant military power. Pentos is Braavos's bitch, so I imagine Marienburg forming a sort of Hanseatic League esque alliance with Braavos, Norvos and Pentos that prevents Bretonnia from annexing Pentos and Andalos. Andalos is depopulated because of the Dothraki but there cant be any Dothraki here so instead maybe Angmar is where Norvos currently is and was founded after Angmar was destroyed?
Dunland and the Shire are the only areas with significant population. That leaves the question as to why the Bretonnians never expand into all that free real estate south of Andalos. Maybe the remnants of Angmars Orcs and the armies of Volantis keep them in check.

This could be a kino Minecraft like setting where you can leave civilisation and adventure across untouched nature and ruins of ancient civilisations for months or years before stumbling into settlements
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:38:39 PM No.95921414
>>95905403
Braavos and Marienburg are so close they might as well be merged together.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 9:13:14 PM No.95922733
>>95906895
>Smith = Aule = Manann
>Warrior = Orome/Tulkas = Ulric
>Father = Manwe = Taal
>Mother =Yavanna/Nienna = Rhya
>Maiden = Vana = Shallya/The Lady
>Crone = Vaire = Verena/Myrmidia
>Stranger = Mandos = Morr/Khaine
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 11:19:24 PM No.95923743
>>95922733
Let's go further.
Numenoreans (including Black Numenoreans) searching for the Straight Way found many settlements across the world, including on Iron Islands.
Black Numenoreans hated Manwe (Storm God), loved the sea and longed for their lost kingdom (Drowned God and Watery Halls). Their prophet in the World of Ice and Fire is even called Sauron Salt-Tongue.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 11:42:03 PM No.95923908
>>95900303 (OP)
Traditional games?
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:18:45 AM No.95924860
>>95923908
You will never be a janny.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:24:06 AM No.95924903
>>95905843
And those two settings are LotR and Warhammer. Westeros is inherently meaningless because it's post-modern garbage.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:27:07 AM No.95924926
>>95924903
>post modern
Still leagues better than the slop that is the warhammer settings.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:29:18 AM No.95924940
elfs
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md5: cf2171d4d0ba991f440cfb176939a403🔍
>>95924903
>warhammer
>meaning
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:42:13 AM No.95924997
>>95900303 (OP)
Warhammer is heavily LOTR inspired and has a lot of similarity with it that would make the two potentially compatible with enough jiggering and tweaking. Westeros and the whole GoT setting is very far removed from that kind of high fantasy and would not mesh.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:52:08 AM No.95925055
>>95900454
>Shitfarmers of Thrones
>Meaning
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:56:29 AM No.95925073
>>95924926
Warhammer Fantasy started out as just nerds trying to be funny and make a parody of fantasy. It's just kiddie shit. By contrast, ASoIAF is pure garbage to the core, made by a soulless faggot who doesn't believe in beauty, has no ideals, absolutely nothing. It's worse than worthless, it has negative value. The world is worse off for it existing, since it's an offense to life itself.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 12:25:54 PM No.95927222
>>95923743
Iron Islanders are a better fit for Norscans, and Numenoreans work better as Valyrians/Great Empire of the Dawn
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:36:25 PM No.95927882
>>95927222
Ironborn aren't Numenoreans, they are Numenor-descended mutts.
They even have Numenorean phenotype and claim that their ancestors came out of the sea.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:00:40 PM No.95927997
>>95924997
With a few tweaks asoiaf can fit in with the others
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:04:36 PM No.95928011
>>95904694
>they'd automatically lose against an enlightened Monad which can reach back during their point of conception and sculpt them into what suits It.
That's actually what Slaanesh did prior do the fall of the Eldar
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:08:12 PM No.95928352
How would they react if they found Shire?
>Penny
Loves Shire, moves there, marries a Bolger of Budgeford and teaches children how to ride a pig.
>Tyrion
Gets annoyed by Penny's suggestion to move there. Gets addicted to pipe-weed.
>Tywin
Mere existence of Shire irks him. Gets addicted to pipe-weed anyway.
>Myrcella and Tommen
Run to tell their uncle about a land full of 'Tyrions' (non-maliciously).
>Joffrey
Runs to tell his uncle about a land full of 'Tyrions' (maliciously).
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:09:32 PM No.95928360
>>95928011
>point of conception
Eru has no point of conception. He was always there.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:56:19 PM No.95928628
>>95900303 (OP)
You know, the old theory that WF was a lost colony world goes well with the implications that the Valyrians themselves are from space. One wonders if the Valyrian's mythologized moon was some kind of a pleasure world, a lost DAOT operation mass producing replicants with the Dragons animals imported for the sake of gladiatorial fights.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 8:53:11 PM No.95929746
>>95921414
Alternatively they could be a hanseatic league faction