/wfg/ - Warhammer Fantasy General - /tg/ (#95901891) [Archived: 865 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:26:45 AM No.95901891
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Cathay Edition

Resources:
WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwh
WM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgeba
WFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6
Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H
>Warhammer Chronicles:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip
>Time of Legends:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip
>The End Times:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip
>TOW:
https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXS
https://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/
>Alternative Models:
https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL

>Previous Thread:>>95884361

>TQ: How excited are you for Cathay?
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:27:36 AM No.95901897
Iโ€™m giving up my wood elves until next edition I guess.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:28:20 AM No.95901905
>>95901891 (OP)
You didn't change the previous thread
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:28:22 AM No.95901907
>sir, a second arcane journal is hitting the release schedule
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:29:33 AM No.95901912
Fuck
>Previous thread: >>95893693
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:30:22 AM No.95901917
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Cathay century.
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:30:26 AM No.95901918
>TQ
Not at all.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:32:20 AM No.95901931
>>95901891 (OP)
>>TQ: How excited are you for Cathay?
strike one was the not!primarchs lore
strike two was the sensitivity team
strike three is the overpowered rules
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:32:32 AM No.95901932
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>>95901891 (OP)
I need China to invade Taiwan right now to delay this book for as long as possible
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:33:17 AM No.95901939
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>>95901891 (OP)
>TQ: How excited are you for Cathay?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:33:31 AM No.95901942
>>95901850
Asking because I want to know if chaining cannon fire from the cathayan cannons can reduce a unit to 1 movement speed.
Replies: >>95901987
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:34:20 AM No.95901947
These Grand Cathay statblocks are a false flag attack by disgusting, repugnant, filthy Reikland nationalists in attempt to taint the masses away from the glorious light of Cathay.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:35:10 AM No.95901951
>'Celestial Blade' is a nonmagical sword of might that also gives you strike first
>it costs 4 points
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:35:20 AM No.95901954
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>TQ
Still pretty excited, I like their models and aesthetic. And that's what matters most to me
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:36:10 AM No.95901962
Miao Smile
Miao Smile
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>Kills your Chaos Lord/Elf Prince on Dragon.
>Out magics you Level 4 wizard.
>Regains D3 wounds.
>Is playing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swiGWilMqeQ throughout the game.
Replies: >>95901971 >>95904551
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:36:24 AM No.95901965
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>TQ: I like the models and they are my favorite army to play in TWW3. By the time I actually have them painted they will have probably been nerfed 4 times over or we will be in 2nd ed.

Also a friend and I tried the renegade pack with my Dark Elves and his Lizardmen. We feel like it makes both armies a little more in-line with the 'core' factions.
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:37:40 AM No.95901971
>>95901962
I can't believe they gave the dragons a 6" move and heal D3 wounds every time they transform. Whoever wrote that has legitimately never played a competitive game of TOW.
Replies: >>95902123
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:38:14 AM No.95901976
>Take illusion on the dragon character for the -1 to hit spell
>Take the -1 to hit magic item
>Character is hit on 6s in combat
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:38:24 AM No.95901977
>>95901891 (OP)
>TQ
I was tepidly excited until the rules. Now I'm just like yep... guess I'll be avoiding that shit and playing the same old vs my buddies. No one is excited to see this shit across from them nor be the guy everyone avoids
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:39:15 AM No.95901987
>>95901942
I don't believe so but this is only because some things specify that they stack.
Kind of an exception proves the rule situation
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:41:10 AM No.95901999
>TQ
Have very little knowledge of rules or how the game is played so IDK how much of the dooming is valid or conjecture, but I hope that if they are OP I either don't run into them or they're nerfed by the time I assemble and paint enough dudes to play my Chaos army.
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:41:36 AM No.95902003
So uh? Is this a fucking joke? I assume tournaments not run by GW will just ban Cathay until itโ€™s nerfed right?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:42:37 AM No.95902010
>>95901999
I donโ€™t think Iโ€™ve seen something this blatently broken since daemons in 7th.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:43:44 AM No.95902017
I never thought that I could put down a triple dragon list and not be the waac player at the table
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:44:18 AM No.95902021
>>95901891 (OP)
the army has so many special special rules and stats out of whack that it looks like it went through 3 iterations of ramping up their rules over time
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:46:03 AM No.95902028
I guess I now see why they didn't give empire special rules, magic lores, dragons, etc.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:47:05 AM No.95902033
>>95901965
>By the time I actually have them painted they will have probably been nerfed 4 times over or we will be in 2nd ed.
based, he's just like me for real
Replies: >>95902098
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:49:19 AM No.95902043
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Good thing I'm just getting a Batallion and Miao for painting's sake. This is hilarious.
Replies: >>95902068
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:49:43 AM No.95902047
>>95902021
I honestly do think this is how it happens. We know the legacy factions got a nerf patch mandated from above just before they were released. Probably they wrote up this army, put it for pass, got told to boost it up, and then went through that whole cycle another time or two.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:50:43 AM No.95902052
>>95901999
The characters, cannon and sky lantern are OP, maio ying is ridiculously OP, the remaining stuff is just good.
Replies: >>95902131 >>95902206 >>95902224
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:52:39 AM No.95902056
>Don't even show the lore parts of the book
>Still have mentions of Monkey King, Hobgoblins, Nagas, Lumbria
Hey, not that bad.
Replies: >>95902070
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:54:52 AM No.95902068
>>95902043
BIG FAT DRAGON TITS
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:54:56 AM No.95902070
>>95902056
Who cares about the lore
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:55:57 AM No.95902075
Going to paint my cathayan dragon's human form as Leroy Smith from tekken 7
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:56:11 AM No.95902078
Garbage
Garbage
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>>95902070
Replies: >>95902096
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:56:16 AM No.95902079
>Xi Jinping and the CCP went to james workshop himself and forced him to make Cathay broken
it's more likely they're tuned for a second edition ruleset that's still internal only. get real for a second
Replies: >>95902090
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:56:28 AM No.95902082
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>>95902070
I do!
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:58:29 AM No.95902089
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remember to say "thank you xi!" for GWs respect to chinese folklore and representation, as well as good rules
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:58:54 AM No.95902090
>>95902079
I hope they dump going-back-in-time-shtick and do a soft-reset of pre-end times fantasy. Emphasis on soft-reset, don't want them redesigning all the lore.
Replies: >>95902095
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:00:21 AM No.95902095
>>95902090
Theyโ€™ve already retconned so much. Itโ€™s gonna be a do over.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:00:34 AM No.95902096
>>95902078
>tfw a filthy western barbarian approaches you bearing inauspicious gifts the likes of which not even the children of glorious and eternal Cathay have any use for
Replies: >>95902104
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:00:37 AM No.95902098
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>>95902033
Just being real. I painted Tomb Kings in 6 months but that was because it was all dry brushing skeletons
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:02:43 AM No.95902104
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>>95902096
>gifts the likes of which not even the children of glorious and eternal Cathay have any use for
Not dogs based food ?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:04:08 AM No.95902111
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Hey, /wfg/. Tourist here who really only experienced Warhammer Fantasy through Total War and Vermintide. I'm a massive Cathay fan and wanted to know how strong Miao Ying is in the tabletop. Can she take on tons of people by herself or do I have a skewed perspective on mechanics?
Replies: >>95902118 >>95902133 >>95902149 >>95902244
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:05:13 AM No.95902118
>>95902111
As written she's the single most broken unit in the game.
Replies: >>95902168
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:05:19 AM No.95902120
>>95902089
I need a Miao Ying version of this image.
Replies: >>95902143 >>95902183
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:06:04 AM No.95902123
>>95901971
any game
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:06:31 AM No.95902128
I just read the cathay rules

What the fuck, I thought you fags were memeing but how the fuck do chingchongs outperform chaos warriors and elves? Who the fuck approved of this shit?
Replies: >>95902148 >>95902157
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:07:05 AM No.95902131
>>95902052
Everything else (two units)
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:07:23 AM No.95902133
>>95902111

She's completely unkillably bent. Easily the best big monster in the game, for less points that kitted out generic ones too.
Replies: >>95902168
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:08:17 AM No.95902138
Had just started a new army on old world bases sizes, but unironically glad this dropped now, reminded me not to trust gw and I can pivot to old bases with adapter trays before I get too far along
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:08:44 AM No.95902143
>>95902120
Yaun would make more sense, but I wouldn't complain about more dragon tits.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:09:09 AM No.95902148
>>95902128
>Who the fuck approved of this shit?
The marketing team and the sensitivity team
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:09:20 AM No.95902149
>>95902111
She is extremely powerful. Not only is she a dragon in an edition where dragons are very strong, she's a real strong dragon. And a wizard. And she can morph in and out human form to get wounds back. And she can escape from combat for free. And challenging her out requires a leadership test made at -2.
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:10:28 AM No.95902157
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>>95902128
Take a wild guess.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:10:46 AM No.95902160
>>95902149
>to get wounds back.
I genuinely do not understand how they decided this, or teleporting out of combat, was a good idea
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:11:39 AM No.95902164
>>95902149
Surely she has a tremendous point cost for being so powerful?
Replies: >>95902187 >>95902193
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:11:50 AM No.95902168
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>>95902118
>>95902133
>>95902149
Well, fuck. On one hand, I like Miao Ying being super strong. On the other hand, broken units are absolutely no fun. I hope she gets nerfed soon (if possible)! Thanks for filling me in!
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:12:35 AM No.95902178
Grimgor please fuck Cathay 200 years early holy shit
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:12:46 AM No.95902181
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>ws 5 (7 with buffs)
>s 5
>3+ save, 4+ if you want her to go to S4
>ld 10 re-rolls
Her game, her century.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:12:53 AM No.95902183
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>>95902120
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:12:59 AM No.95902185
>>95902149
She has a 12 inch teleport. (6 inches plus her 6 inch base)
Whoops. There's a dragon in your back line facing your rear
Replies: >>95902202
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:13:04 AM No.95902187
>>95902164
20pts more than Galrauch
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:13:52 AM No.95902193
>>95902164

Nope, under 500. You can neatly fit her into a 1k game if you so choose
Replies: >>95902298 >>95902309
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:14:19 AM No.95902197
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It's time.
Replies: >>95902391
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:14:25 AM No.95902198
Fuck, Meow really is TOW Morathi. Where the faction is already fucking good, but the big sexy bitch is so powerful you're literally handicapping yourself if you don't being her along and she's a bitch to transport.
I'm still getting her.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:14:37 AM No.95902200
So now that every army has detachments what makes the empire special
Replies: >>95902904
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:14:45 AM No.95902202
>>95902185
>(6 inches plus her 6 inch base)
it can move afterwards
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:15:09 AM No.95902206
>>95902052
Did they show off the sky lanterns guns? I know people were screeching about it getting impact hits and being fast but I don't think anyone posted the ranged attacks
Replies: >>95902296
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:18:02 AM No.95902224
>>95902052
Let it be known that I am vindicated now and forevermore. I said that the lantern would be fast. I called it!
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:19:49 AM No.95902228
>>95901891 (OP)
Boycott Cathay, shit talk it on all GW socials whenever possible, point out Chinese atrocities
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:20:18 AM No.95902232
What are the point cost of jade warriors?
Replies: >>95902240 >>95902738
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:20:42 AM No.95902237
How many months till cathay gets the nerfhammer
Replies: >>95902256 >>95902272 >>95902293
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:21:29 AM No.95902240
>>95902232
8ppm
Replies: >>95902250
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:22:41 AM No.95902244
>>95902111
>massive Cathay fan
Massive faggot* especially given the designs and information you had from Total War lol
Replies: >>95902271
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:24:15 AM No.95902250
>>95902240
>WS6, s4 with buffs
Seems like chaos is fucked in comparison for 16 points for a warrior
Replies: >>95902266
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:25:10 AM No.95902256
>>95902237
this aint 40k with votaan so never
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:25:56 AM No.95902266
>>95902250
It's only WS6 if
> You take the auto take dragon
> You pay an ENTIRE point per model
> You roll a 1-3 on the Yin/Yang rule
Replies: >>95902328
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:26:53 AM No.95902271
>>95902244
I just wanted to fuck the dragon lady and then found them and their great wall to be super cool and fun. So I became invested and now love Chinese fantasy.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:27:03 AM No.95902272
>>95902237
If the community had BALLS and made messages saying they were banned at tournaments it would get nerfed but the WHFB community is 100% pussy wiped
Replies: >>95904266
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:28:38 AM No.95902286
What is he
What is he
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>>95901891 (OP)
What race is this guy, is he black or indian or just swarthy, source new rpg
Replies: >>95902304 >>95903133 >>95903223 >>95903279 >>95903600
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:29:36 AM No.95902293
>>95902237
what's it matter? they'll just break something else.
remember the last time GW wasn't completely shitting the bed on game balance? yeah, neither do I.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:29:56 AM No.95902296
>>95902206
It has 5 guns - either crane guns which are S6 AP-2 cumbersome armorbane (2) or iron hail guns which are S3 AP-1 multiple shots (d3) move & shoot. If you give it iron hail guns it also has either gunpowder bombs or dragon fire bombs, and with either set of guns it can upgrade to have sky lantern bombs. It's decently shooty for the points.
Replies: >>95902313 >>95902346
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:30:31 AM No.95902298
>>95902193
How, aren't you supposed split your 1k points into 3 333 point chunks for each unit type between core/special/rare? Or was my friend oversimplifying it
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:31:36 AM No.95902304
>>95902286
he's dirty
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:32:06 AM No.95902309
>>95902193
It is honestly really really funny to think of someone bringing Miao Ying at 1000pts.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:32:53 AM No.95902313
>>95902296
also the iron hail don't suffer from long range and multiple shots
Replies: >>95902447
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:33:31 AM No.95902320
I can't wait for this to be a complete nothingburger in practice. History has taught me anytime I see people call something OP and busted before launch 90% of the time it's fine to okay
Replies: >>95902325 >>95902379
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:34:18 AM No.95902325
>>95902320
LoV launch?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:34:32 AM No.95902328
>>95902266
I look forward to seeing the other Cathay Arcane Journal dropping, they just don't seem strong enough :/
Replies: >>95902363
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:37:18 AM No.95902346
>>95902296
That's pretty tame then considering they don't have quick shot, points wise the base Ballon is roughly the same as two gyros with brimstone guns at str 5 ap 2 multiple shots d3+1 and no fire and flee could hamper it a good deal.
Replies: >>95902367 >>95902447
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:39:50 AM No.95902363
>>95902328
I'll be honest I don't give a shit about the Jade warriors they are still slow as fuck infantry. Men at Arms are still better because they don't need to pay extra for shield wall and come with their bullshit two champions BS (along with the BS of the polearm).
Likewise the cav isn't great, the lower AP on the lances is a big deal and the extra 5 attacks ... Who cares. You miss 2, only wound with two, and they save one. One extra damage oh nooooo.
The bullshit here is the grossly under costed sky junk, the artillery, the Shugengan, and the dragon woman
Replies: >>95902413
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:40:30 AM No.95902367
>>95902346
It does have fire and flee.
Replies: >>95902454
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:41:04 AM No.95902375
Starting to dip my toes into Warhammer out of curiosity after a thread about Marienburg caught my attention. A watch post was named after a dwarf duelist that saved goblin from a lynch mob. I thought goblins were just Always Evil or was this just bad writing?
Replies: >>95902386 >>95902414
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:41:31 AM No.95902379
>>95902320
I think the cannons and miao ying are pretty broken. Everything else is just strong and somewhat undercosted.
Replies: >>95902432
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:42:34 AM No.95902385
Cathay is mid power wise and nothing in it any more Op than most things other factions have access to. The Sentinel is move 6 no swiftstride for 230 points which is far worse than the necro sphinx or Giant chaos spawn. The Shugengan is a worse Black Orc warboss and sits pretty nicely in the mid power range for heores. Dragon Lords and brets wreck him. Miao is actually not that good or even bad because she only gets a 4+ 5+ saveand she only has 7 wounds which is like 3 canon shots that wound. Val and that jew robb just hyped them up for no big reason. Like LOL Orcs are even more undercosted and so much stronger.
Replies: >>95902403 >>95902424 >>95902480
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:42:41 AM No.95902386
>>95902375
>I thought goblins were just Always Evil or was this just bad writing?
Goblins are generally evil, self interested at best but always cruel and petty.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:42:54 AM No.95902391
>>95902197
I don't like this picture
Replies: >>95902415 >>95902488 >>95903037
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:43:08 AM No.95902393
They still lose to bret flying circus and ironically I don't think they play that well into actual dragons without miao ying. I think tomb king hordes will play OK into cathay too, but they will absolutely stomp the goblin version.
Replies: >>95903431
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:44:09 AM No.95902403
>>95902385
>Miao is actually not that good or even bad
Bruh the 6" teleport from in combat is insane.
Replies: >>95902430
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:46:01 AM No.95902413
>>95902363
3+ rerolling 1s for 8ppm, or if rumors false 4+ rerolling, with the ability to get regen6+ and force opponents to take dangerous terrain tests in their fighting rank.
Replies: >>95902501
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:46:26 AM No.95902414
>>95902375
Goblins are fundementally evil, but not metaphysically evil, just total fucking pricks and are also extremely racist to all non greenskins. Very unlikely any one would ever not deserve to be lynched, but not wholly unimaginable
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:46:31 AM No.95902415
>>95902391
Not chad enough for a girlfriend from Nan-gau?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:47:29 AM No.95902422
The other thing is they don't really have any melee power outside of the shugengan and sentinels (and the special character). Now they do like never fucking break rerolling Ld10 break tests, but if you can close with good melee they won't be winning fights.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:47:33 AM No.95902424
>>95902385
>just bring 2 cannons, an Blorc warboss, a necrosphynx, and a dragon lord ez pz
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:47:55 AM No.95902430
>>95902403
No it isnt. She will probably not see combat or will get shredded by equaly costed Lords. She obly has. 6 attacks while other dragon lords got 10+
Replies: >>95902496
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:48:19 AM No.95902432
slightly under costed
slightly under costed
md5: 47c12f97c74a28f909324fadca33c78c๐Ÿ”
>>95902379
compare the longma lord/hero to any gryphon type lord
Replies: >>95902451 >>95902459 >>95902500 >>95904540
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:50:19 AM No.95902447
>>95902313
>>95902346
Ah now I see the issue
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:50:46 AM No.95902451
>>95902432
Emp general is a bit more expensive at base but is on a behemoth imperial griffon with better and more attacks while also having thunder stomps
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:51:20 AM No.95902454
>>95902367
Unless I missed it it looks like it just had feigned flight, either way you would be able to fire and flee with cumbersome weapon anyways
Replies: >>95905189
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:51:38 AM No.95902459
>>95902432
284 for a flying level 4 wizard with T5 7W and a 3+/5++ is definitely incredibly efficient by the costing standards of other armies. But this is also your only level 4 and one of the only units in your entire army that can apply melee pressure, outside of miao ying, and it can't join any unit and is a monstrous creature. You also can't run 2 of these if you are running miao ying. So I think it is clearly a bargain but will be less good than it seems because of the very limited roster.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:53:05 AM No.95902470
Hopefully the Sigmar players actually buy up all the Cathay armies so I don't have to deal with their shit so much
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:53:15 AM No.95902471
The cathayan army I see is definitely super heavy on cannons and magic missiles so you have to come towards it and then just ties you up forever or moves around you with flying shugengans and/or balloons.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:53:49 AM No.95902475
difforder
difforder
md5: e6f390ef0a1e39181256c7d292d17728๐Ÿ”
For the anon who asked me to reshuffle these last thread, they still rank up perfectly.
Replies: >>95902508
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:53:54 AM No.95902477
Anyone got a sc of the grand army comp? Still blindsided there was only one infantry option. At least give us a more elite greatsword equivalent you can only have one of.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:54:03 AM No.95902480
>>95902385
The play with the dragon whore is pretty easy. You deploy as a human in a unit, spam out magic missiles for a few turns while your stupidly under cost sky lanterns snipe any artillery, then you turn dragon and dare to be charged, as you strike first and wipe out entire front ranks.
Replies: >>95902499
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:54:15 AM No.95902484
So.... I was excited to finally play Cathay but these rules man i cant look past it. Its pretty evil.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:55:03 AM No.95902488
>>95902391
Go post about it on /r/ Asian masculinity
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:56:19 AM No.95902496
>>95902430
6 always strikes first at I6 S7 WS8 assuming the opponent can even challenge her, with ap-2 armor bane, into her 4+ armor and 5++ward save, that if you kill her she simply comes back to life like 6 inches away. plus whatever spells she can put on herself as a level 3/5 wizard. Yeah, im sure dragonlords will never have a problem
dont forget hatred chaos for the lulz
Replies: >>95902516
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:56:24 AM No.95902497
>Number 1 complaint of TOW is that dragons are too strong
>Release an even stronger dragon right before the balance errata which will probably nerf every other dragon
Bravo GW
Replies: >>95902503
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:56:57 AM No.95902499
>>95902480
Well there are 5 factions who can bring bigger dragons that cant be sniped cause of their superior saves.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:57:04 AM No.95902500
>>95902432
The longma is definitely worse than a Griffin
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:57:08 AM No.95902501
>>95902413
A lot of infantry sound scary when you then stack spell effects on them.
They are slow infantry just don't engage them until it's favorable, or just hit them with knights. A 4 reroll 1s turns into a 6 reroll ones. The front rank is still getting rolled. As for the dangerous terrain... It's 1/6 I don't care. Hell elf cav get to reroll that test too!
Replies: >>95902517
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:57:26 AM No.95902503
>>95902497
The high elf dragon is still getting off scot free from all the rumoured nerfs.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:57:28 AM No.95902504
Whatโ€™s the best place to source old skaven kits if I wanted to play TOW?
Ebay?
Replies: >>95902551
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:58:15 AM No.95902508
>>95902475
Are those 3d scans
Replies: >>95902727
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:58:44 AM No.95902516
>>95902496
6 attacks to kill an uh 10 wounds Dragon Lord with uh a 3+5+ at worst and uh an ogre blade. She will wreck them for sure yeah 100%.
Replies: >>95902528
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:58:48 AM No.95902517
>>95902501
the armor saves and baked in, and its 8ppm. who else but maybe gors gets that much value for 8ppm? and speed 4 isnt slow, its standard and you forget its speed 5 half the time
Replies: >>95902525
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:00:11 AM No.95902525
>>95902517
Infantry just aren't a big deal until they change the TOW rules. Yes they're decent value, they're very far from broken.
Replies: >>95902533
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:01:02 AM No.95902528
>>95902516
you just enjoy being contrarian at this point, you think a worse WS, I and with "10 attacks" (4-5 are ogre blade, rest are dragon) is somehow going to ez pz shit on this? get real.
Replies: >>95902539 >>95902547
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:02:07 AM No.95902533
>>95902525
>is literally better than any other infantry
>but like uhhh infantry isnt good so ha
this is literally their worst unit and its better than almost anything else ppm. thats the sign of a broken book.
Replies: >>95902547 >>95902583
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:02:52 AM No.95902539
>>95902528
It will. Waacfags already made up their minds.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:04:55 AM No.95902547
>>95902533
The jade warriors could be half the price and still not be broken. Like I get what you're trying to say, but it's a stupid example to pick when they have a monster that can teleport 6" out of combat while healing with the best spells in the game. Generic infantry just aren't a thing that can be powerful in TOW currently.

>>95902528
Miao hates chaos, which helps in that specific matchup, but she isn't as strong as a tooled up dragonlord in combat (but does get to strike first) and is more vulnerable to a monster killer bret lord. What is your plan into a dragonlord playing cathay? I guess you can turn off flying, swiftstride, drop it to move 4 or 3 or whatever with your cannons, get 2 runs of shooting into it, but it probably still isn't day.
Replies: >>95902568
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:05:04 AM No.95902551
>>95902504
trolltrader usually has a decent selection of older stuff if they ship to your country, they tend to have a good amount of OOP whfb stuff too
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:06:54 AM No.95902560
>>95901891 (OP)
>TQ
Half of my league plays "whoops all cav and pegasus" Bretonia, including a buddy of mine.
I can't wait for them to play against Cathay and realize they can no longer go in a straight line and auto win games anymore
Replies: >>95902570 >>95902591
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:08:11 AM No.95902568
>>95902547
Assuming it gets to challenge and it's mot shot off by 4 to 6 cannon shots plus whatever baloon fire. Did you actually read or watch all the leaks or you've already decided to be contraband so everyone else has to now defeat multiple niche scenarios you've cooked up to ignore the rest?
Replies: >>95902579
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:08:52 AM No.95902570
>>95902560
I think Bretonnia is still going to whip Cathay outside of maybe an oops all flying 3 x Shugengan 3 x balloon list. Like a kind of evasive flying circus concentrating on shooting and magic. The cavalry will never catch them and if you can chip away the pegasus knights they won't win fights if they do get into combat. The tooled-up Bret lord will still be a threat.
Replies: >>95902598
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:10:16 AM No.95902579
>>95902568
You need a ridiculous number of cannon shots to kill a triple save dragon. Two turns of 3-4 cannons shooting at it probably doesn't kill it. It's not a niche scenario: dragonlords are everywhere and the most powerful TOW unit, so cathay has to have a plan to deal with them.
Replies: >>95902648
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:10:41 AM No.95902583
>>95902533
If infantry were better, yeah they would be broken.
But they aren't (they are also only S/T 3). So they just aren't that great.
Replies: >>95902620
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:11:36 AM No.95902588
I do think the sheer extent of Ld9/Ld10 rerolling break and panic and rally and whatever the fuck else tests is underrated. Cathayan infantry are practically going to be undead, and you have to fill up 500pts core so you might as well take a unit of 40 jade soldiers or 20 jade lancers or whatever.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:12:01 AM No.95902591
>>95902560
Sounds like a shitty group of people
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:12:45 AM No.95902595
I think halberds are maybe better than shields though. They come with drilled for 1 point and if you're taking 40 or 50 and can reform into a line, you might as well take the better offensive weapon.
Replies: >>95902599
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:13:16 AM No.95902598
>>95902570
Don't forget a min unit of jade warriors hiding in the back with the once per game no fly banner to ground the Pegasus turn one or two
Replies: >>95902623
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:13:39 AM No.95902599
>>95902595
Can you take both? They're both Free
Replies: >>95902608
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:15:48 AM No.95902608
>>95902599
Nope, it's one or the other. I think if you're playing for the buff spell I'd rather be WS5/6 S5 than S4 by quite a long way even at the expense of (maybe) a +2 save.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:17:50 AM No.95902620
>>95902583
They're better than anyone else's tax at this point so kind of does matter no matter how much you try to downplay it
Replies: >>95905189
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:18:58 AM No.95902623
>>95902598
I'm surprised the cathay banner is only one use, the beadtmen banner that does the same thing can be used as much as you want assuming you consistently pass tests.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:20:08 AM No.95902627
Place your bets
How many months until Cathay gets nerfed?
Replies: >>95902634
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:20:19 AM No.95902629
1000017382.jpg
1000017382.jpg
md5: b57045534f86c60511c60066aa21f089๐Ÿ”
>>95901891 (OP)
AVANTI PIGGALO
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:20:56 AM No.95902634
>>95902627
They will be less powerful than everyone thinks and they will not challenge the current dominant metagame, so they will not be nerfed.
Replies: >>95902642
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:22:01 AM No.95902638
Basically, they're going to be strong in a casual pickup game where people are bringing things like units of 20 regular infantry. But they won't be ahead of the pack in competitive TOW.
Replies: >>95902684
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:22:29 AM No.95902642
>>95902634
I really hope you are right, even if I don't see it
Replies: >>95902666
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:23:56 AM No.95902648
>>95902579
Ok how about 6 cannon shots? That's pretty reasonable thats 2 turns from 2 cannons. Stat wise 1 is going through consistently. Your dragon lord is now 2 to 3 wounds. Ming can get 2 wounds through assuming no buffs. I won't even add the stupid baloon. And even the best leadership is 8 to challenge her before any other debuffs, so charging her is mo guaranteed. Then she respawns back as a level 4/5 wizard even if you swing for the heavens into ws8. Yeah man, I'm totes sure this is as easy as you think
Replies: >>95902659 >>95902732
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:26:29 AM No.95902659
>>95902648
I think the mass cannon is going to be way more oppressive than any other cathayan build for sure. I'm not sure if I care about taking miao ying vs. two level 4 shugengans alongside those cannons. The shooting twice with ogres makes them strong even at 165 because it really limits the kind of units you'd normally pick on warmachines with.
Replies: >>95902678
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:27:43 AM No.95902666
>>95902642
That anon you'll note can only compare Cathay to the most broke load outs and models. For the vast majority of us using normal to subpar army loadouts, factions, and lists, simply bringing her will be a wash out. And since she's a special character you can't even kit her out fluffy like a generic lord to blunt it.
Simply put she's way to strong for the points.
Replies: >>95902684
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:29:28 AM No.95902678
>>95902659
The fact the shugens are so cheap ans strong too
Just everything is overtuned
Replies: >>95902697
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:29:56 AM No.95902684
Weirdly this is probably the army that doesn't need a BSB despite having a nice model for it.

>>95902666
Yeah I mean I said that >>95902638. I think if you're playing TOW 'for fun' this is a rough army because building them a certain way will just be inherently strong in a way that most other armies in the game are not. But competitively I don't think they'll have an easy time into bret flying circus, tomb king mortuary cults or high elf/chaos megadragon lists.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:32:32 AM No.95902697
>>95902678
Definitely a weird thing with them which feels much more informed by current AoS/40k vibes - the mounted leader is a distinct separate unit by himself, the ward save and protective items are folded into his profile, etc. - whereas the classic WHFB vibe is you start out with a profile and fully customise the unit yourself. Obviously there's precedent in the chaos armour rule in TOW, but I wonder if they extended that here just to be more familiar to potential incoming AoS/40k players. He's certainly incredible value even if only second tier as an offensive powerhouse.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:35:38 AM No.95902710
The winds rule also feels pretty poorly designed to me because you are constantly going to be forgetting that shit. You have to roll every turn, there are two possibilities for the roll and you then have to pick one of two options for those. It's just gonna slow down the game and lead to a bunch of times where you forgot a unit had +1WS or +1I or whatever.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:36:41 AM No.95902713
>faction releases with tools to deal with strong threats enemies can bring
wow wtf is this bullshit OP OP ban and nerf it
>faction doesn't release with tools to deal with strong threats enemies can bring
wow GW, why even bother releasing them with no units. Can't even play them, loses to xyz
Replies: >>95902719 >>95902726
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:37:54 AM No.95902719
>>95902713
Let's be real, a random distance aura effect movement debuff would be cancer in any format it was introduced in. That's like they had a competition to design the least fun rule they could to slap on the cannon.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:38:43 AM No.95902724
Zhao_Ming_Iron_Dragon_Cathay_Total_War_Warhammer_III
How long until a second dragon hits the Cathay roster
Replies: >>95902742 >>95902782
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:38:48 AM No.95902726
>>95902713
They can handle the "meta" means they fucking wreck everyone lower than the meta too
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:38:48 AM No.95902727
>>95902508
No, I'm not a proontoid monkey. They're recasts.
Replies: >>95902753
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:40:37 AM No.95902732
>>95902648
Congratulations, you just 'wasted' two turns of all their Artillery AND their hero unit that is 1/4 of their entire list leaving your entire army pretty much free reign
Replies: >>95902754
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:41:44 AM No.95902738
>>95902232
8ppm, halberd or shield for free, 1ppm for drilled, 1ppm for stubborn.
Replies: >>95902746
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:43:10 AM No.95902742
>>95902724
I hope we get some of the other dragons that don't have designs or much lore
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:43:50 AM No.95902746
>>95902738
2 points for stubborn I think.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:45:20 AM No.95902753
>>95902727
> Sneers at printing
> Happy to give chinks or slavs money for cancer resin that they make for pennies while charging him dollars
Truly bizarre
Replies: >>95903451 >>95904744
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:45:54 AM No.95902754
>>95902732
....how expensive do you think cannons are? And dragonlords are?
Yeah, contrarian for certain
Replies: >>95902760
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:46:59 AM No.95902760
>>95902754
NTA but 3 cannons and miao ying is close to 1000pts and a tooled-up dragonlord is probably around 600, cheaper in helves and welves.
Replies: >>95902763
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:48:29 AM No.95902763
>>95902760
And when 600pts is down top of 2, and your pts are fine, that's "bad?" Because surely 2 cannons and a uberdragon surely won't continue to contribute...
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:50:09 AM No.95902768
>>95901891 (OP)
>TQ
Not that much anymore, I was really hoping for peasants. My hope was to have one or two elite units of warriors supported by peasants with spears. We don't even have any missile infantry. Seems like you can get one squad of elite warriors, but ONLY IF YOU TAKE THE GAY NAMED CHARACTER. I've been working on a Nippon army with Warlord senhoku jidai minis, and now I'm thinking about just switching them to Empire. Guess I'll wait for the other half of the rules to release before I make my decision for real.
Replies: >>95902774
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:51:28 AM No.95902774
>>95902768
>We don't even have any missile infantry.

Bro your jade warriors with crossbows?
Replies: >>95902778 >>95902779 >>95902785 >>95902828 >>95904378
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:52:24 AM No.95902778
>>95902774
They can take crossbows? It looked like they could only take shields or halberds.
Replies: >>95902784
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:52:28 AM No.95902779
>>95902774
Wait they're not even in the game wtf
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:53:04 AM No.95902782
>>95902724
Considering the first one got delayed an extra 6 months, you won't see another until next summer.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:53:37 AM No.95902784
>>95902778
I must have hallucinated them that fucking sucks. Guess I have to wait untill the second arcane journal (for some reason)
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:53:42 AM No.95902785
F0yv_6FaMAAMzQo
F0yv_6FaMAAMzQo
md5: c626c4871fdc44a23b749949854f100b๐Ÿ”
>>95902774
second wave surely
Replies: >>95902788
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:54:41 AM No.95902788
>>95902785
I dont understand why they wont just put them in the normal arcane journal. Whats so bad about printing rules for minis that dont exist yet? Did Cathay get rushed to meet the summer release?
Replies: >>95902795 >>95902800
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:55:59 AM No.95902795
>>95902788
GW noticed that the game didn't die on release, so they put 40k restrictions on it.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:56:32 AM No.95902800
>>95902788
>I dont understand why they wont just put them in the normal arcane journal.
How would we sell a second journal otherwise?
Replies: >>95902804
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:58:30 AM No.95902803
What happens if you score monster killer on dragon miao ying? Does she still take human form with D3 wounds or does she just die?
Replies: >>95902805
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:58:41 AM No.95902804
>>95902800
Make their employees do their fucking job and make new units
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:59:12 AM No.95902805
>>95902803
The first one.
Replies: >>95902818
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:01:17 AM No.95902818
>>95902805
Thatโ€™s a shame. The bretonnian duke on royal pegasus still mogs her though I think.
Replies: >>95902824
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:04:33 AM No.95902824
>>95902818
The scary part is on "death" she simply reverts to a level4+ wizard with some decent abiltiies
Like fuck me
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:06:02 AM No.95902828
>>95902774
Bruh there are rules for ironhail and crane guns, but they can only be taken on the sky lantern. I am livid.
Replies: >>95902841
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:08:30 AM No.95902833
>Cocky Miao Ying challenging a meta Bretonnian army because of her overpowered rules!
>Getting one shot by a Bretonnian knight and introduced to droit de seigneur!
>Uuuooooooooh ;_;!
Replies: >>95903070
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:09:50 AM No.95902841
>>95902828
Thatโ€™ll be the real possibility for Cathay to be busted, if they can take 5 man units of bs 4 iron hail and crane gunners down the line.
Replies: >>95902859
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:13:28 AM No.95902857
>>95901917
>cathay
>ccp meme


wrong, cathay is based on the actually chinese heritage that Mao hated with passion, if anything Taiwan is closer to Cathay culture than whatever the ccp illegitimately has
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:13:31 AM No.95902859
>>95902841
Each Sky Lantern gets 5 of them anyways, it doesn't matter.
Replies: >>95902873 >>95902892
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:18:03 AM No.95902873
>>95902859
Yeah but a sky lantern is expensive bro. Just because itโ€™s T5 with 7 wounds and a 4+ save and Fly (8) with reserve move and feigned flight and fire and flee doesnโ€™t justify it costing a whole 135 points. Five 1 wound 5+ save T3 gunners would probably be at least 70 points with these guns.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:21:26 AM No.95902886
>>95901891 (OP)
>TQ
Every piece of news is somehow sillier than the last. What an elaborate way to get people to stop asking for more Fantasy.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:22:36 AM No.95902892
>>95902859
Itโ€™s actually an issue for a gunline that you canโ€™t spend your core allowance on units that can contribute to shooting, so getting gunners in core would be big.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:23:50 AM No.95902897
Is there anything in the book for Yin-Yin?
Replies: >>95902907
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:25:21 AM No.95902904
>>95902200
Huh? What other army has them. Also I've never even seen a single player use detachments, no nothing has changed if what you say is true.
Replies: >>95902909 >>95902912
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:25:48 AM No.95902907
>>95902897
I dont think any lore stuff from the journal has been shared yet but I'm sure all the dragon siblings probably get a blurb about them
Replies: >>95902917
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:26:04 AM No.95902909
>>95902904
>What other army has them
Dwarfs
Skaven with the Squarebase rules
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:26:25 AM No.95902912
>>95902904
High elves and Cathay both have them in TOW. I think maybe TKs too?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:27:38 AM No.95902917
1749227061813577
1749227061813577
md5: 0369c3f3416687c8d339f5ac5bdd0e48๐Ÿ”
>>95902907
Someone on /twg/ is claiming Yin-Yin was demoted to being a hero. I just wanted to see if that was true
Replies: >>95904819
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:28:53 AM No.95902921
I think you should try writing a Cathayan list with these points before calling them broken. Having to take 500pts of mostly useless core is a big downside.
Replies: >>95902930 >>95902941
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:29:56 AM No.95902930
>>95902921
Every army has to do that, anon.
Replies: >>95902943
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:31:17 AM No.95902941
>>95902921
They get to take knights as core, their core is anything but useless
Replies: >>95902948
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:31:31 AM No.95902943
>>95902930
No, some armies get useful units in core.
Replies: >>95902946
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:32:15 AM No.95902946
>>95902943
Name 3.
Replies: >>95902953
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:32:32 AM No.95902948
>>95902941
The jade lancers are not very impressive. Iโ€™d rather have even empire knights.
Replies: >>95902959
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:33:56 AM No.95902953
>>95902946
High elves, wood elves, chaos warriors, tomb kings, orcs and goblins, beastmen.
Replies: >>95902965 >>95902983 >>95903043
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:35:05 AM No.95902958
I feel like Cathay is gonna be a noob trap.
Not because they're bad, they're the opposite, but new players won't have the experience to make the most out of it and do stupid shit like leave Meow exposed after shape-shifting into a human and she then eats artillery to the face.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:35:07 AM No.95902959
>>95902948
I think Cathayan Cataphracts makes them quite good.
Replies: >>95902971
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:36:05 AM No.95902965
>>95902953
>high elves
Oh boy, I love my frail weak spearmen that no longer fight in five ranks.
It's grrrreat!
Replies: >>95902992
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:36:52 AM No.95902971
>>95902959
My problem is even with a constant charge buff S4 AP-1 just isnโ€™t threatening enough.
Replies: >>95902982
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:38:10 AM No.95902982
>>95902971
Are the Cathayan lances only +1 str ap-1? I missed or fell asleep during that part I guess
Replies: >>95902988 >>95902997
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:38:15 AM No.95902983
>>95902953
Alright, fair. I know that the meta chaos lists just spam marauder horsemen with flails, but it's kinda gay that warriors and knights are garbage. Still, I don't think the core in Cathay is going to be that bad. So what if it's a core tax army? Suck it up, the rest of your units are still completely fucked.
Replies: >>95903007
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:38:59 AM No.95902988
>>95902982
Yes. They make up for it by fighting in two ranks.
Replies: >>95903004
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:40:20 AM No.95902992
>>95902965
OK Iโ€™ll name the units. Silver helms, archers, glade riders, forsaken, warhounds, marauder horsemen, skeleton archers (ushabti in MC), goblin archers, black orcs, gors, minotaurs, warhounds again, tuskgor chariots.
Replies: >>95903011 >>95903191
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:41:21 AM No.95902997
>>95902982
Yes. They do get fight in two ranks but I still think they lack punch.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:42:40 AM No.95903004
>>95902988
Oh ok. Yeah I do like them quite a bit then. Don't get me wrong I am not saying they are even close to the strongest thing in this book but they quite good for core.
Replies: >>95903019 >>95903020
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:43:09 AM No.95903007
>>95902983
It just means itโ€™s difficult to fit in oppressive amounts of the broken stuff. You can have 4 balloons but you canโ€™t have that alongside cannons and miao ying. If you go in on the cannons you canโ€™t have the balloons etc.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:43:49 AM No.95903011
>>95902992
>Silver helms
Not more punchy or even handy than reavers.
>archers
Even squishier than spearmen but with a shooting attack you'll use maybe twice and kill all of three guys with. Just use sisters instead.
Replies: >>95903025
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:44:50 AM No.95903019
>>95903004
Does Cathay really need stronger troops when their heroes are gonna be playing Dynasty Warriors on the enemy?
Replies: >>95903027 >>95903028
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:44:55 AM No.95903020
>>95903004
My issue is whatโ€™s their target? You get 0-1 units in core so you canโ€™t run multiple units for screening and blocking. So if you are taking a unit of 10+ whatโ€™s it going into?
Replies: >>95903028 >>95903049
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:45:55 AM No.95903025
>>95903011
Forgot about reavers, my bad. Thatโ€™s a third useful core unit.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:46:56 AM No.95903027
>>95903019
Thereโ€™s nothing in the Cathayan list that can take on the current combat gods of the game.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:47:30 AM No.95903028
>>95903019
No their core is fine I think most everything else needs a nerf except for the Terracota Sentinels, those also seem reasonable.

>>95903020
Drawing out fanatics, baiting pegasi, charging light to medium infantry.
Replies: >>95903032
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:49:40 AM No.95903032
>>95903028
I mean OK but most everyone else gets to do that with multiple 70-100 point mounted units, yours is 200+ and you only have 1. Theyโ€™re good into the infantry nobody takes.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:51:20 AM No.95903037
1535401100_00032
1535401100_00032
md5: 44ed25105e7590bae89b751a6af8dae3๐Ÿ”
>>95902391
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:53:46 AM No.95903043
>>95902953
>2 jade warriors for 1 chaos warrior
Uhhh
>no save flail vs s4 ws6 halb with 5+
Hmmm
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:55:29 AM No.95903049
>>95903020
Considering you get to fight in two ranks with cav spears, I think you can charge pretty much anything that isn't a monster from the front and do very well.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:56:06 AM No.95903054
GOD FORBID EMPIRE BRING 2 STEAM TANKS TO A 2000 POINT GAME THAT MAY BE TOO MUCH FUCK YOU GWWWWWWW
Replies: >>95903095
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:58:09 AM No.95903070
9c2
9c2
md5: 11a4880b98f8b1d9040eebbcee3872eb๐Ÿ”
>>95902833
Bretonnian knights asserting their Prima Nocte right in Cathay is canon.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:58:44 AM No.95903071
Doesn't the jade lancer champion have magical item points?
You can likely give Jim a funny little trinket to do a gimmick.
Replies: >>95903085
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:00:56 AM No.95903085
>>95903071
This is true, he can afford the plague of rust bound spell item.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:02:18 AM No.95903095
>>95903054
Just be glad that Grand Cathay kept their own steam tanks back home to suppress alleged student demonstrations.
Replies: >>95903105
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:03:56 AM No.95903105
32758
32758
md5: 0850fd83a78cf8c98d3c2909779b148c๐Ÿ”
>>95903095
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:04:57 AM No.95903108
I haven't got a chance to look at their new rules but I have been a Cathay player since I was a kid so I am quite excited to see what's in store.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:10:46 AM No.95903133
>>95902286
Please understand, only Cathay can be ethnically homogeneous.
Replies: >>95903286 >>95904016 >>95904025
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:12:47 AM No.95903140
Shugengan Lords get Illusion access so the combo they banned with the Mace of Helstrum is kinda back on the table. Take the Monkey King staff and you can Spectral Doppelgรคnger 2d6 S10 AP-4 hits with multiple wounds (d3). Strike Last so have to survive to I1 to do it but heโ€™s decently tough with no items.
Replies: >>95903146
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:15:41 AM No.95903146
>>95903140
Dies to Royal Peg Duke with coins in his pocket
Replies: >>95903163
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:19:44 AM No.95903163
>>95903146
True, but so do many things and he is cheaper than the duke.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:29:38 AM No.95903191
>>95902992
>glade riders s tier core
Huh
Replies: >>95903202
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:32:24 AM No.95903196
I don't think it's as bad as everyone initially thinks. The points on the Shugengen and Lantern need to go up thobeit
Replies: >>95903202
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:33:26 AM No.95903199
As an empire player, im putting myself on suicide watch.
Replies: >>95903205 >>95903207
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:34:56 AM No.95903202
>>95903191
>Only S tier units are worth taking
Found the 40k player.
>>95903196
I just wish I could use the units I wanted to. I was really excited to use my Warlord Japanese samurai minis to play Cathay, but the peasants and gunners which make up most of my models just don't have rules.
Replies: >>95903217 >>95903251 >>95903258
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:35:50 AM No.95903205
>>95903199
Do you feel the existence of a human faction with tons of interesting and unique special rules is insulting to Empire players?
Replies: >>95905276
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:37:14 AM No.95903207
>>95903199
Could be worse. You could be the guy who has been hyped for Kislev since 2019
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:39:03 AM No.95903217
>>95903202
You retard I was responding to someone claiming it was S tier core unit.
I know glade guard aren't a bad core tax, just haven't heard glade riders being S tier usually people seem to not use them.
Replies: >>95905267
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:40:00 AM No.95903223
>>95902286
He's fatigue inducing.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:48:29 AM No.95903251
>>95903202
>collects models from a different system to try and play in old world
>somehow, GW didn't consult him when making their own model line to make money
>this surprises the anon
Actually the more I think about it, the anon(s) saying Cathay release and design is partially due to not having any good proxy competition keep making sense
Replies: >>95903282
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:49:49 AM No.95903258
>>95903202
>peasants
Gross
Unfortunately you will (eventually probably) get your wish since there are peasant troops for Cathay in TWW3
Replies: >>95903282
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:54:55 AM No.95903275
You guys a year ago
>Warhammer Fantasy is back, yay!
you guys now
>The new army is totally overpowered, this sucks!

Make up your fucking minds, jesus christ. Did you want Fantasy back or not?
Replies: >>95904212
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:56:19 AM No.95903279
Averlander
Averlander
md5: 35ec226b187daa581dcf37b36daaa112๐Ÿ”
>>95902286
That's just a normal Imperial, are you blind?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:56:46 AM No.95903282
>>95903251
I wasn't expecting all 3 gunpowder missile infantry units, but I was expecting at least one since GW kept wanking off Cathayan gunpowder. What I'm really astonished by is the total lack of missile infantry whatsoever.
>>95903258
I'm sorry that I want real chaff and not 8ppm elite infantry. I probably wouldn't care so much if the real elite infantry wasn't locked behind the gay named dragon. I want the weaker warriors and then MY general's elite. Not Miao Ying's elite.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:57:26 AM No.95903286
>>95903133
The Empire was based off the HRE, it was never ethnically homogenous you dipshit
Replies: >>95906259
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:17:30 AM No.95903346
5dq1ea-3856464605
5dq1ea-3856464605
md5: cbad10bb4cab1bec390869fb90fd33c2๐Ÿ”
>Cathay's dragon has the attack first rule
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:17:35 AM No.95903347
PXL_20250619_041426596
PXL_20250619_041426596
md5: bee0fa62b70bdb82c6d03d7341c5b858๐Ÿ”
Closing in on done with this guy.
Replies: >>95903355 >>95903371
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:19:38 AM No.95903355
>>95903347
Dope. I like the pincers
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:24:38 AM No.95903371
OIP (13)
OIP (13)
md5: 1602a39a47e220c144b9beb5b11a0ea7๐Ÿ”
>>95903347
looks good, but the next one has to look like the rock from scorpion king in all its gloriously bad cgi glory.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:45:24 AM No.95903417
Aside from gortrek and Felix, I think all fantasy characters are glup shittos.
Replies: >>95903420
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:46:47 AM No.95903420
>>95903417
What did he mean by this?
Replies: >>95903915
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:50:10 AM No.95903431
>>95902393
>They still lose to bret flying circus
Sid you overlook the nofly item and the -1M cannons? They don't even need to wound, just hit nearby. Remember that 1M is -2M when marching. Stack those cannon shots and shoot twice and now you are essentially standing still on the table for an entire turn. It's completely bonkers. Anyone claiming Miyao will be killed by a dragonlord is delirious.
Replies: >>95903438 >>95903456
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:51:27 AM No.95903438
>>95903431
or the your movement is d6 spell that will be going off on +5s
Replies: >>95903473
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:54:12 AM No.95903451
>>95902753
>chink
Where do you think your proonter and resinz come from, Little Boy?
Replies: >>95903550
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:54:44 AM No.95903452
1734159283655500
1734159283655500
md5: 1c3a55345f0eec9780c6255d1fd37748๐Ÿ”
/twg/ here i came here to laugh at you
Replies: >>95903467 >>95903482
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:55:33 AM No.95903456
>>95903431
They can cancel fly for a turn with a magic object also lol
Replies: >>95903461
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:56:48 AM No.95903461
1750285215755605
1750285215755605
md5: ee9f2a6727370f71a6d1f824dd5ea080๐Ÿ”
>>95903456
Replies: >>95903520 >>95903604
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:58:00 AM No.95903467
>>95903452
Can you please use proper grammar? You are making the sea audience look bad.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:59:43 AM No.95903473
>>95903438
>or the your movement is d6 spell that will be going off on +5s
As signature lol
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:01:45 AM No.95903482
download
download
md5: ca31e56f3854906cca6ef9cb490e0767๐Ÿ”
>>95903452
>I know it's a lot, the hair the bod
>when you're staring at a demi-god!
Replies: >>95903513
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:13:08 AM No.95903513
1736835050926090
1736835050926090
md5: 68ea061618aebd644c6a376c895e82cd๐Ÿ”
>>95903482
good lord anon have a proper image
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:17:54 AM No.95903520
>>95903461
>single use
wow
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:32:17 AM No.95903550
>>95903451
Stolen western tech
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:33:22 AM No.95903555
Screenshot_20250619-062851 (1)
Screenshot_20250619-062851 (1)
md5: 9a208f7450ab355757c48933279b65e9๐Ÿ”
I fucking called it. Where's that little fag who derided me now
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:51:52 AM No.95903592
>>95901891 (OP)
the mega link for WFRP2nd ed books is not working
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:53:45 AM No.95903600
>>95902286
Is it even a he?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:54:27 AM No.95903604
>>95903461
the dragons banner is also sleeper bullshit a 3+ no is better than most the dispels as it forces them to pick a less optimal target with no recourse.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:57:38 AM No.95903613
>think about starting high elves
>look at the models
>remember how shit they look
>also remember they are elves
Replies: >>95903916 >>95903944 >>95905235
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:58:18 AM No.95903617
>a vampire count has the same leadership as a chink foot soldier
kek
Replies: >>95903624 >>95903640 >>95903941
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:01:18 AM No.95903624
>>95903617
>insane, maddened with bloodlust leech
>normal sane person who knows his ruler has the mandate of heaven
seems correct to me
Replies: >>95903749
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:06:12 AM No.95903640
>>95903617
Don't forget those foot soldiers gets like three different sources of rerolls, including one pseudo inspiring presence that ignores all effects targeting it
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:11:23 AM No.95903648
Dreadquake mortar am i right fellas?
Replies: >>95903651
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:13:51 AM No.95903651
>>95903648
Orruks will pilot them rather than dawi
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:22:42 AM No.95903683
So cathay is good?
Replies: >>95903708 >>95903874 >>95905293
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:25:03 AM No.95903694
dragonorgresnonpeintbasecomplet
dragonorgresnonpeintbasecomplet
md5: 90e5c25f829c643429bcf0f53d6a697e๐Ÿ”
Got my bases done on my Dragon Ogres, it's getting there!
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:29:09 AM No.95903708
>>95903683

Based on the leak they seem very silly. That dragon chick especially looks like it's very unpleasant to play against.
Replies: >>95903747 >>95903827
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:33:36 AM No.95903729
I don't know what's worse. The fact there have already been tards saying they're going to use their Empire minis as counts-as Cathay, or knowing that on the day after their release there will be faggots bringing their new OP Cathay army to the table without a single model painted.
Replies: >>95903735
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:34:35 AM No.95903735
>>95903729
Im deadset on painting everything before playing. I didnt order much just for that reason.
Replies: >>95903741
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:36:23 AM No.95903741
>>95903735
You wonโ€™t even assemble anything
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:38:13 AM No.95903747
>>95903708
Well, i don't mind her being broken. I can just not take her if I want to have a fun time with friends.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:38:39 AM No.95903749
>>95903624
This, how long do you think Elon Musk would stay on the battlefield compared China's strongest soldiers?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:55:26 AM No.95903801
So, what kind of mercenaries could Cathay take ?
Doesn't list any in particular and all the published mercs don't refer to Cathay in their respective entries either.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:01:50 AM No.95903827
1153252356
1153252356
md5: f0e7e9308a29f221b90cb9bd36275cf7๐Ÿ”
>>95903708
The Bastion's defence requires it.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:02:04 AM No.95903829
1600331023096
1600331023096
md5: 24a61e827520ccd87720c28c8d169286๐Ÿ”
>people think that Cathay won't be nerfed in the second AJ
>people are baffled that the shiny new army has OP rules (totally never happened before)
>people forget they can refuse to play against certain people and it's not fucking pokemon "our eyes crossed so we have to fight"
It's like watching a theater play rehearsal
Replies: >>95903833 >>95903845
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:04:42 AM No.95903833
>>95903829
On goes on as before, as always. Illusions...illusions
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:08:36 AM No.95903845
>>95903829
>people are baffled that the shiny new army has OP rules (totally never happened before)
That doesn't make it ok retard
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:13:00 AM No.95903857
When are the Swedes going to comp old world? I'm tired of larping my 2k Skaven is equal to this shit.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:15:14 AM No.95903863
I think the main reason for cathay seemingly being over the top is that with such a limited roster, it would suck if any of the units is straight up garbage.
Replies: >>95903870
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:17:17 AM No.95903870
>>95903863
People are just gonna run the battalion, Meow, and then maybe the big expensive fuckers down the line. Because why use double of Miao's children when she and some fat bloke on a balloon do better?
Replies: >>95903877
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:18:15 AM No.95903874
>>95903683
they're probably mid at worst and will end up being good overall but not top 2.
Replies: >>95903895
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:19:16 AM No.95903877
>>95903870
Miao doesn't exist yet, so that's one good reason
Replies: >>95903887
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:21:58 AM No.95903887
>>95903877
The rules do.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:24:40 AM No.95903895
>>95903874
Would be nice. I enjoy if my army is not top tier. Makes it nicer for casual games.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:32:04 AM No.95903915
>>95903420
I think he means that all fantasy characters are just like Star Wars.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:32:26 AM No.95903916
>>95903613
I mean, High Elves are one of the easiest armies to proxy.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:40:09 AM No.95903941
>>95903617
Aren't the Jade Warriors pretty elite?

When we inevitably get Peasant fodder I imagine their leadership is probably very low.
Replies: >>95903951 >>95903970
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:41:05 AM No.95903944
>>95903613
High elf spears and archers look bad. Most of their range was refreshed in 8th.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:43:28 AM No.95903951
>>95903941
No they are regular professional soldiers. Celestial guard are the elites
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:48:15 AM No.95903970
>>95903941
I mean make a magistrate your general and have a 12โ€ leadership 9/10 bubble rerolling break tests from the balloon.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:52:50 AM No.95903983
I actually donโ€™t think you take Miao Ying. She has some crazy rules but she provides a target in your army for any anti-monster tech or other dragons, and she doesnโ€™t have that great a defensive profile. Plus the Galrauch problem where if you take her you are paying for a level 4 you are not then using when she is dragon mode etc. I think the Shugengans are such absurd value that 2 Shugengan lords actually looks better than MY at 2000 points.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:56:26 AM No.95903993
>>95901891 (OP)
>Cathay
Not Muh Warhammer[TM]. I'll treat it as AoS and similar shit, i.e. maybe fuy a few neat minis to paint and not play with/against it ever.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:57:21 AM No.95903999
>>95901965
Renegade pack and everything else the square base guys introduce is utter cancer for the game. Their symmetrical terrain layouts are 40k L shaped ruin tables level of soulless
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:59:09 AM No.95904004
Any links to the cathay leak?

Going to 100% buy it. So, want to start preparing my purchases already.
Replies: >>95904013 >>95904015
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:59:16 AM No.95904006
>Look at some of the ET character rules.
>Compare Miao to them and look at how she would be if she was ported to 8th.
>She is easily on par or close to Final Archaon, Nagash and Malekek, but costs around half the points.
>She could easily body the Mortarchs and Incarnates.
I am now calling into question the canonicity of the End Times, because could this bitch hold of most of the fuckers in it, but there are apparently 4 more beings like her, and 2 beings much more powerful than her.
Replies: >>95904027
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:01:25 AM No.95904013
>>95904004
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gU7lSv8DUWU&t=4801s&pp=ygUTU3dhdXJlIGJhc2VkIGNhdGhheQ%3D%3D
Replies: >>95904136
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:01:45 AM No.95904015
>>95904004
https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerFantasy/comments/1leycjx/cathay_arcane_journal/#lightbox
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:02:43 AM No.95904016
>>95903133
>only Cathay can be ethnically homogeneous
based Chinese sensitivity team
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:04:32 AM No.95904025
>>95903133
>China
>Ethnically homogenous
Lol.

Cathay can't even keep their population from fucking Dragons.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:05:46 AM No.95904027
>>95904006
There's no way she beats end times malekith. You don't need to exaggerate.
Replies: >>95904053
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:07:36 AM No.95904029
skavenkeks
skavenkeks
md5: d4ddcfd7129647ff6767e9ff8ec1d30f๐Ÿ”
hmmmm
Replies: >>95904038 >>95904106
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:11:54 AM No.95904038
IMG_5304
IMG_5304
md5: a0b120bb660c722306268602ecdf32d7๐Ÿ”
>>95904029
>flaming attacks
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:15:05 AM No.95904044
Do you still get to hop 6" when you're forced to transform into human form after being killed as a dragon? Think that's really key to how survivable meow ying might be.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:17:13 AM No.95904053
>>95904027
But I didn't say she would Beat ET Malekith. I said she was on par/close to Malekith, as in she is same realm of bullshit as the top tier ET characters.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:22:41 AM No.95904071
total war
total war
md5: 9586b48a06fdd5d61aca6d5004e94e44๐Ÿ”
But I don't play Total War?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:24:59 AM No.95904079
I expected Cathay has a small range, but still weird that they don't have any ranged units at the moment. I can already tell I'm probably going to buy more than one of the Boxes.
Replies: >>95904092 >>95904094 >>95904100
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:27:55 AM No.95904092
>>95904079
Two seems like the sweet spot. 40 jade warriors and 20 jade lancers is enough to fill up your mandatory core, and you probably will want to have the ability to run more than 2 cannons. The really price crushing thing is the balloon looks good and is almost the price of the battalion by itself.

You also probably resign yourself to at least half of those jade warriors and lancers sitting on the shelf when the second AJ hits.
Replies: >>95904117
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:28:14 AM No.95904094
>>95904079
Yeah no real ranged. The lantern is the closest you have not counting the arty.
Replies: >>95904109
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:29:05 AM No.95904100
>>95904079
*Infantry ranged units
They do have cannons, obviously.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:29:55 AM No.95904106
>>95904029
One is a real army and the other is legacy trash that nobody cares about
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:30:22 AM No.95904109
>>95904094
The lantern has pretty decent firepower.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:32:16 AM No.95904117
>>95904092
To be fair, I intend to use the Jade Warriors and Lancers for historical stuff as well. Besides the peasants, I doubt much of the second AJ will work for that. Good 28mm, or 32mm for that matter, Chinese stuff is hard to find.

I'm honestly kind of torn between putting Ming or Wu iconography on the banners.
Replies: >>95904161 >>95904387
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:34:36 AM No.95904125
>>95901891 (OP)
tq very hyped
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxmICiOXw2c
Replies: >>95904134
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:37:43 AM No.95904134
>>95904125
Cathay themes?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=26BVoCAEK08&pp=ygUTVGhlIG1hbmRhdGUgZXRlcm5hbA%3D%3D
Replies: >>95904157 >>95904159
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:37:52 AM No.95904136
>>95904013
love those two goofy boomers
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:42:54 AM No.95904157
>>95904134
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-xHOeWOcBs
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:43:36 AM No.95904159
>>95904134
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8DKNVLiA80
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:44:12 AM No.95904161
>>95904117
Han for me
Replies: >>95904175
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:49:02 AM No.95904175
>>95904161
Han could also work, even if I'm pretty sure Han Soldiers looked very different compared to the more Ming Inspired soldiers of Cathay.

Not that I expect anybody, even the people into historical, wargames to know the difference.
Replies: >>95904203
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:56:52 AM No.95904203
>>95904175
They existed some 2000 years apart, even basal laymen like myself should be able to tell the guys with the bell shields and chariots aren't the same as the lamellar guys with crossbows and cavalry with stirrups.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:58:34 AM No.95904209
I can't wait to table Cathay zoomers with my 30 year old VC army kek
Replies: >>95904220
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:58:57 AM No.95904212
1750285533173760
1750285533173760
md5: 162ad51bfb871a9bdb5073f7758463ee๐Ÿ”
>>95903275
One doesn't preclude the other.
>you HAVE to be excited for the overtuned mess the Cultural Sensitivity Commission of the Chinese Communist Party made GW rubber-stamp
Yeah.
Replies: >>95904230 >>95904232
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:01:42 AM No.95904220
>>95904209
sry m8 no legends
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:03:34 AM No.95904230
>>95904212
I mean... If you genuinely want to believe Warhammer fantasy has a future Cathay is pretty much the one shot it really has of proving it. Ethnic human factions will either be the thing that kills it or makes it blossom into something truly great.
Replies: >>95904292
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:04:30 AM No.95904232
1750293036516975
1750293036516975
md5: 73b7717fb566194c534cf38f5d5bc9cf๐Ÿ”
>>95904212
>tfw I am
Replies: >>95904240
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:06:44 AM No.95904240
>>95904232
I am mostly because it actually looks good.

Like, unironically, I expect Miao Ying to appear fucking everywhere. Much like I've seen more people use Yndrasta's wings than I've seen them actually use Yndrasa.
Replies: >>95904249
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:09:02 AM No.95904246
Frankly, looking at everything I don't think it's THAT Op. I do however laugh at Empire players now. Holy shit you got screwed over.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:09:23 AM No.95904249
>>95904240
I sadly won't be able to field her. Sure I'll own the figure and magnetize it so I can also use her for the dragon army in MESBG, but carrying that bitch around already looks like ass.
The logistics for transporting the lantern also make me feel, if I may borrow the phrase, "ill at ease".
Replies: >>95904276
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:15:05 AM No.95904266
>>95902272
i could see tournaments organisers just not allowing Cathay the majority of them already told GW to fuck off by allowing the Legacy factions in their tournaments.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:19:44 AM No.95904276
>>95904249
I feel that way about most modern GW kits, frankly.

I should probably buy either a metal case or a fuck ton of magnets to break apart the model every time I transport it.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:19:46 AM No.95904277
>>95901891 (OP)
>TQ
I was waiting for Cathay since 6th edition, TW slowly strangled the dream and GW just snapped its neck. Never been happier to have picked Empire.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:23:49 AM No.95904292
>>95904230
I don't slavishly over-identify with a product to the degree which you seem to do.
Fantasy being brought back is good.
Fantasy being brought back intentionally busted to cater to Chinese video gamers with cooked attention spans is bad.
Replies: >>95904301
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:29:05 AM No.95904301
>>95904292
>I don't slavishly over-identify with a product to the degree which you seem to do.
>Over identify
Why do you assume that?

I like Warhammer fantasy because a faction like Cathay can exist. I want to see it do well, in the hope it allows other ethnic human factions to also do well. That has nothing to do with me identifying with the brand.

>Fantasy being brought back intentionally busted to cater to Chinese video gamers with cooked attention spans is bad.
1: Fantasy was always busted. 2: Warhammer fantasy as a whole was brought back to appeal to Grogs and Total War players. 3: I don't think it was just there to Cather to Chinese players. Frankly, I imagine Kislev would have dropped first if It wasn't for that whole war thing.
Replies: >>95904323 >>95904331 >>95904769
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:36:14 AM No.95904323
>>95904301
> Frankly, I imagine Kislev would have dropped first if It wasn't for that whole war thing.

If that's true, GW are banking awfully hard on Taiwan not being a thing any time soon.
Replies: >>95904328 >>95904334
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:38:04 AM No.95904328
>>95904323
Taiwan probably won't be a thing because China is boringly pragmatic enough to just bide their time. At worst when they do finally just buy it there will be some people screaming for blood, but lacking an actual ongoing war it will be forgotten in like a month.
Replies: >>95904333 >>95904336
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:38:51 AM No.95904329
brozo
brozo
md5: cfa9ca0e316b5d3a241fa413f64cb3db๐Ÿ”
>unsure how to run Araby in Warhammer, since the human factions font really fit its style and using them as Asur stand-ins feels wrong
>Cathay has core ws5 chaff with higher I and Ld
Boy do I feel silly for having restraint.
Replies: >>95904365 >>95906288
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:39:49 AM No.95904331
>>95904301
>I want to see it do well
do you think launching with rules that break the balance of the game will see it do well in the long term? Because historically such factions are doomed to fail see Votann as a recent example, but Grey Knights, Harlequins, Daemons and Knights are good examples of armies that fell off despite broken rules at launch and basically never recovered.
Replies: >>95904336 >>95904375
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:39:51 AM No.95904333
>>95904328
Ain't it China's actual stated position on Taiwan non-violent reintegration?
Replies: >>95904381
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:41:35 AM No.95904334
>>95904323
Mainland China invading Taiwan would be the biggest naval invasion of all time We would basically know months in advance if it ever happened, and it's really only possible for a few select months of the year.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:41:52 AM No.95904336
>>95904328
America chose to explode their international clout so I figure Taiwan will rejoin the mainland without war within 15-20 years or so.

>>95904331
The game rules as they are right now are more broken than anything the cathay AJ is introducing. Cathay will not displace current top table lists. TOW writers should be more worried about fixing the inherently busted game than they should be about nerfing Cathay.
Replies: >>95904424
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:42:53 AM No.95904338
1645340667022
1645340667022
md5: 9dd6c2aa9d8db025921cd95ca817929b๐Ÿ”
>tfw I really want the balloon but I have car repairs coming up so I'm just getting the bb for now
At least I'm good after that, the only other thing I want badly is Zhao and he's not coming for awhile.
Replies: >>95904458
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:46:08 AM No.95904349
They just aren't that strong. Miao Ying is fragile for a dragon and if you take her you're taking minimum 1 other level 4, and she can only sit in jade warriors as an infantry bunker in human form, and that means you get your +1 to casting ONE spell ONCE a turn but are highly limited in movement because the casters have to be within 12". You get global buffs to your army but you can't predict which ones you'll have one turn to the next. The sentinels are fine but not unkillable, the balloons are pretty crazy but not really more so than gyros or existing chariot lord builds. People underestimate how much being a heavy chariot affects their movement. They don't outfight the current dragon-heavy builds and they're even more vulnerable to being preyed upon by the Bretonnian flying circus. They don't beat Mortuary Cult at magic.
Replies: >>95904390 >>95904529
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:53:18 AM No.95904365
>>95904329
6th ed Dogs of War or TOW Bret exiles
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:54:37 AM No.95904373
imrik miao
imrik miao
md5: d7293bf178988197574a0c6003d6f243๐Ÿ”
Miao Ying initially looks like she has crazy stats and she is offensively powerful compared to other dragon MOUNTS, but she doesn't have a lord riding her adding power or special rules. Then you have to start looking at the unique abilities. Yes hopping 6" out of combat and healing D3 seems nuts, but she has to abandon a combat choosing to do that and cannot charge afterwards, so you're pretty much locking her out of influencing the game for a turn and you have to have some safe place for her to jump. The fact she survives as a human after being killed as a dragon is mid, because then she doesn't hop so whatever killed dragon her likely just kills human her immediately after. If anything it's bad just because it promotes slow rolling attacks into her.

Being a level 4 with double siggies is great but if you're using her as a level 4 you're not using her as a dragon and she's sitting with slow infantry somewhere. If you shift her to dragon form, she's no longer a level 4 and is likely in combat and restricted in what she can cast. She doesn't get to bring any of the utility magic items Cathay has and she doesn't get you a balloon or sentinel as a special choice, stretching out your points more. She's better than a regular monster, but considerably worse in combat than any of the tooled up dragon lords that actually get played.

The movement and spell selection on her is going to be very skill expressive: there are undoubtedly good players who are going to be able to make crazy moves by exploiting her rules. But ultimately I think it is just too fancy and most of the time the benefit for trying to do some haymaker 3-turn play with Miao Ying is not going to be worth the effort vs. just locking in your two regular flying level 4 wizards who are great value by themselves and much more flexible.

People are overreacting without thinking about what the army will actually look like or trying to assemble a list for themselves.
Replies: >>95904380 >>95904388 >>95904411 >>95904427 >>95904510
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:55:59 AM No.95904375
>>95904331
>do you think launching with rules that break the balance of the game will see it do well in the long term?
Units? Sure. Entire factions, a bit tougher. Don't think it's impossible though.

>Votann
>Grey Knights
>Harlequins
Most of those fell off because they had VERY little support after launch. The Grey Knight range is frankly embarrassing nowadays. Votann still don't have a second wave. And Harlequins somehow had less than Cathay and Votann did on launch.

>Daemons
Daemons are in a very weird spot because they existed long before they were a army of their own. I also think to whatever extent they have appeal it's not really as a separate army. Pretty much everybody that is into any particular chaos god owns daemons. I have pretty much never et somebody that is undivided Chaos Daemons.
Replies: >>95904384 >>95904424
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:56:57 AM No.95904378
>>95902774
the weird thing is that the fluff text of the unit mentions them getting crossbows

one possibility is that they're not including the sprue of crossbows with the kit as included in the battalion box and will only include the crossbows sprue with the standalone release of the kit way down the line, like they're doing with the big saturnine dreadnought for horus heresy, one sprue of its weapons aren't in the bundle box but will be in the later standalone release

and if cathay is truly getting a second arcane journal later this year, and miao ying is delayed until then, then perhaps the standalone release of the jade warriors and their profile with crossbows will too
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:57:57 AM No.95904380
>>95904373
Now if you could mount a Shugenga ON Miao Ying we'd be fucking talking
Replies: >>95904753
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:58:10 AM No.95904381
>>95904333
Yes. Though, obviously, that doesn't mean shit. I don't see a invasion happening, for multiple reasons, but I have been wrong before.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:58:58 AM No.95904384
>>95904375
Daemons are also quite hard to balance as an army.
Replies: >>95904391 >>95904446
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:59:53 AM No.95904387
file
file
md5: fe7124dd1fea8371fd3bb1ac4f468428๐Ÿ”
>>95904117
For me it's Chu
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:00:34 PM No.95904388
>>95904373
She seems like a unit that could be REALLY powerful in the hands of a skilled player but largely a waste in the hands of a poor one.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:01:22 PM No.95904390
>>95904349
>inb4 the second arcane journal provides a lvl4 astromancer on foot, shugengan lord on foot, ld10 paesants archers chaff with poison arrows that reroll panic routing etc, and even more powerful magic items, including zhao ming with regeneration and 3+ armour
Replies: >>95904394 >>95904396
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:01:35 PM No.95904391
>>95904384
Making them a army of their own is just a generally bad idea. At best all Daemon armies are something you are able to do in dedicated god armies.
Replies: >>95904435
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:02:32 PM No.95904394
>>95904390
Just getting a cheap-ish level 4 wizard who can be foot or regular mounted and ranged troops in core would definitely boost the army a ton.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:02:40 PM No.95904396
>>95904390
The one part that does terrify me is the idea of bringing two dragons in a 2000 point game.
Replies: >>95904403 >>95904415
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:03:59 PM No.95904403
>>95904396
Eh, chaos and helves can already do it. Managing two of the transforming dragons does sound like a huge headache to play.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:05:08 PM No.95904411
>>95904373
>she doesn't get you a balloon or sentinel as a special choice
who cares, you're spending your special choices allowance on cannons anyway.
Replies: >>95904423
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:06:09 PM No.95904415
>>95904396
I thought the grand army capped cathayan dragons as 0-1 already

or did I read wrong and it was 0-1 per 1000pts?
Replies: >>95904419
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:07:10 PM No.95904419
>>95904415
It's 1 per 1000pts.

Would be funny if there is some kind of special rule where if you bring more than one they start infighting.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:07:56 PM No.95904423
>>95904411
How many cannons and other characters are you planning on slotting in? I think if you're sticking with a single shugengan lord alongside miao ying you get fit in 4 basic or 3 upgraded. Then your army is miao ying, shugengan lord, 500 points of jade chaff and 3-4 cannons. That sounds OK but it's not amazing and I think plenty of competitive tournament armies have play into it.

This is what I mean. The low depth of the roster means it is quite hard to skew into something really obnoxious.
Replies: >>95904573
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:08:13 PM No.95904424
>>95904375
Cathay is probably not going to get much support either given its SGS, but literally no one would play those factions literal weeks after release out of embarassment and Cathay will be no different.

>>95904336
>Cathay wont displace current top table lists
by any metric they can. It's as easy as shut down flying with 35 point banner, stunlock with cannons and season with your choice of unkillable statues, dragon characters who don't die on losing full wounds and magic.
Replies: >>95904437 >>95904439 >>95904443
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:08:36 PM No.95904427
>>95904373
She wouldn't be that much of a problem if she didn't fucking heal D3 wounds with every transformation, couldn't get out of combat willy nilly, and didn't have that bullshit rule about challenges.

These are inexcusable rules additions.
Replies: >>95904465
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:08:56 PM No.95904429
I guess you CAN do maybe an 8 balloon army which is pretty fucking obnoxious.
Replies: >>95904441
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:09:39 PM No.95904435
>>95904391
It only makes sense if you split the mono God armies like AOS did but lets be honest that didn't work in 40k, and in AOS only nurgle has a somewhat good range even though I like the idea of a tzaangors/beastman themed tzeentch army.
Replies: >>95904445
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:09:48 PM No.95904437
>>95904424
I think it depends on how competitive minded your average ToS player is.

Besides, I'm just going to say it flat out: Nothing in this book looks as bad as Votann did.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:10:02 PM No.95904439
>>95904424
Cathay has already confirmed to be getting be getting a second book with a second wave of minis
Replies: >>95904775
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:10:49 PM No.95904441
>>95904429
bro, your rule of 3?
Replies: >>95904447
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:11:02 PM No.95904443
>>95904424
>It's as easy as shut down flying with 35 point banner
It's not even the best anti-flying tech in the game. It always works but it's one use only. The beastman banner is better.
>stunlock with cannons
I think cannons or shugengan lords probably are the most broken thing in the roster, but a fully upgraded cannon is still 173 points or something. That's expensive, you cannot fit that many in the army.
>and season with your choice of unkillable statues, dragon characters who don't die on losing full wounds and magic.
Statues look far from unkillable and as discussed the dragon transforming is very fancy but I think just worse than having a separate dedicated combat character (who is better at fighting than miao ying) and a separate level 4 wizard who can always leverage being a level 4 wizard.
Replies: >>95904449 >>95904538
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:11:31 PM No.95904445
>>95904435
>but lets be honest that didn't work in 40k,
It would have worked in 40K if they weren't so fucking autistic about Chaos Space marine armies.

>NO! Your world eaters can't field bikes.
>Hope you didn't have any Raptors or other Jump pack unit, EC player!
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:11:55 PM No.95904446
>>95904384
demons shouldn't be an army, but units that can be added to a chaos warriors army.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:12:16 PM No.95904447
>>95904441
Does that even exist in TOW? Do character mounts count, or do they count as separate units?
Replies: >>95904468
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:12:31 PM No.95904449
>>95904443
How tanky are cannons?
Replies: >>95904475
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:13:17 PM No.95904458
>>95904338
he might get released together with miao ying and the second journal

why even release a second journal without a special character for it?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:15:28 PM No.95904465
>>95904427
>She wouldn't be that much of a problem if she didn't fucking heal D3 wounds with every transformation, couldn't get out of combat willy nilly,
Can you explain the sequence wherein you think this plays to the advantage of the Cathayan player? Because like:
>dragon is low on wounds
>removes itself from combat, freeing up your unit, and locks itself out of being in combat for a turn
>heals d3 but also switches to much more vulnerable human form
>either joins a nearby jade warrior bunker (might be tricky with m4 infantry keeping up with a fly (9) dragon) or is now a very vulnerable lone foot character
It sounds better than it will play. You will need to be really fucking careful with how you do it and have some kind of clear payoff in mind.
>didn't have that bullshit rule about challenges
This is a silly rule - why would a vampire lord, chaos lord or bretonnian duke be LESS likely to challenge a dragon - but overall I don't think will matter too much outside of challenging with sacrificial champions to limit dragon combat res.
Replies: >>95904489
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:15:56 PM No.95904468
>>95904447
>Does that even exist in TOW?
In tournament packs.
Replies: >>95904484 >>95904487
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:17:30 PM No.95904475
>>95904449
T6 W3 and 3 crew without ogre upgrade, but you always take the ogre upgrade to add an extra 3 wounds, an ogre body and 1/game double shooting to the unit. More questionable if you add the gunpowder bombs at 8pts on top of that, but I think it has merit because it adds a decent stand and shoot reaction to the unit and makes them even more resistant to being picked off by light cav or skirmishers.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:20:20 PM No.95904484
>>95904468

> 3 Strategists in balloons
> 2 Magistrates in balloons
> 3 balloon units

Rule of 3 does nothing
Replies: >>95904493
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:20:45 PM No.95904487
>>95904468
If character mounts count separate you can still get up to 7 I think.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:20:49 PM No.95904489
>>95904465
>Can you explain the sequence wherein you think this plays to the advantage of the Cathayan player?

>dragon form, march forward and get into a fight with something
>go back to human form, within 3" of a friendly unit so you're non-targettable, and spend the turn dispelling and casting
>transform back into dragon form the next turn and prepare for the last combats
Replies: >>95904502 >>95905400
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:21:52 PM No.95904493
>>95904484
the balloons are the same unit regardless of whether you mount a dude on top
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:23:35 PM No.95904502
>>95904489
It sounds OK but it's also a sequence of
>not using your level 4
>not using your dragon
>not using your level 4
And it's dependent on having that friendly unit nearby which an opponent can 100% mess with. IDK, if you get left on 1 wound in a dragon vs. dragon matchup it's a nice escape valve, circumstances depending, but your dragon will also be winning fights against most things so triggering it and removing the dragon from the fight will often feel like a waste.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:24:49 PM No.95904510
>>95904373
As scary as she is, I think people will prefer using the shugengan lord and instead pay the points for sentinels as beatsticks to kill other dragons
one jade sentinel for an utility spell and one obsidian sentinel for extra antimagic
Replies: >>95904514
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:26:20 PM No.95904514
>>95904510
Yep, I agree double Shugengan looks like a better bet than Miao Ying. Though I think the jade sentinel just mogs all the other options.
Replies: >>95904520
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:29:46 PM No.95904520
>>95904514
Yes, but there are other antimagic tools in the army, once you start stacking them up I think you might get to a really oppressive point.
Replies: >>95904525
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:31:19 PM No.95904525
>>95904520
I definitely like that any double within 18" is a miscast thing on the flying (9) lord, that's slugging it out with the infernal puppet for disruption.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:31:55 PM No.95904529
>>95904349
>They don't beat Mortuary Cult at magic.
Until their gay caskets gets obliterated by double firing cannons, or their mages flies by with that any double is a miscast item
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:34:42 PM No.95904538
>>95904443
>The beastman banner is better
35 pts vs ~150 pts investment, one is guaranteed, other is like 75% chance. One can capitalize with ranged firepower, the other cant
Replies: >>95904539
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:36:05 PM No.95904539
>>95904538
>35 pts vs ~150 pts investment
How do you work this out? Are you forgetting they are both banners?
Replies: >>95904558
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:36:12 PM No.95904540
>>95902432
why is the ligma, an obvious analog to a pegasus, statted like a monster?
Replies: >>95904545
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:37:55 PM No.95904545
>>95904540
because it's big and part dragon
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:39:41 PM No.95904551
>>95901962
Anyone who thinks this outfights a chaos lord is a retard nogame twat
Replies: >>95904565 >>95904569
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:41:46 PM No.95904558
>>95904539
>How do you work this out? Are you forgetting they are both banners?
It's on unmodified leadership, you essentially need it on a minimal bestigore unit with veteran to make it semi reliable
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:42:03 PM No.95904560
Reactions to the Cathay release show who is knowledgable about the game and who isn't
Replies: >>95904637 >>95904750 >>95904893
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:43:57 PM No.95904565
>>95904551
>Anyone who thinks this outfights a chaos lord is a retard nogame twat
The chaos lord is going to get shot to pieces by artillery long before it reaches her
Replies: >>95904579
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:44:30 PM No.95904569
>>95904551
She does hit on 3s, wound on 3s, strike first and reroll missed hits which is pretty nice. She'll take a couple of wounds off.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:46:08 PM No.95904573
>>95904423
>miao ying
>500pts spent between one extra elite unit of jade warriors, one unit of jade lancer, and maybe a detachment of warriors
>3 ogre loaded cannons
>2 jade sentinels
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:46:28 PM No.95904574
Vampire Counts, Skaven, Lizardmen when?
Replies: >>95904580 >>95904588
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:47:45 PM No.95904579
>>95904565
Just like how every empire player is shooting dragons off all the time with the exact same cannons but cheaper :clueless:
Replies: >>95904587 >>95904589 >>95904615
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:48:08 PM No.95904580
>>95904574
Still over a year and a half away
TOW2.0 trust the plan!
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:49:43 PM No.95904587
>>95904579
How good is 12 great cannon shots first turn for 900 points anyway.

That seems like it would oppress a lot of armies.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:49:50 PM No.95904588
>>95904574
VC this Halloween
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:49:53 PM No.95904589
>>95904579
the cathay cannons shoot twice
>but one per game
they're only going to need one turn of shooting twice

tell me what monster survives 6 cannon shots
Replies: >>95904593 >>95904606
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:51:06 PM No.95904593
>>95904589
>tell me what monster survives 6 cannon shots
A granite sentinel :^)
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:55:23 PM No.95904606
>>95904589
if you're dumb that you put your 600+ point lord of your army in the open and not screened or protected by hills, yeah eat shit I guess haha
Replies: >>95904611 >>95904624
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:56:51 PM No.95904611
>>95904606
>spend 600 points on a combat lord
>have to hide them in the back for the whole game
Cool
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:58:02 PM No.95904615
>>95904579
Can empire double shoot, turn off flying, debuff movement and give random move D6? The dragon is going to move up at half the rate it usually does
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:00:24 PM No.95904624
>>95904606
>get your lord against miao ying
>*teleports on your flank*
>6 cannon shots to the lord
eh, nothing lersonnel
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:02:51 PM No.95904637
>>95904560
no it just shows who is willing to talk shit and who is going to wait and see actual results because the community has never been good at speculation. That said you can't really claim people like SB don't know the game after running multiple tournaments and their reaction has all been the same disbelief at the power scaling
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:12:40 PM No.95904666
IMG_5728
IMG_5728
md5: eb258246b9560d63183cea264d6eecf5๐Ÿ”
Did you niggers forget that we will get a rules update and balance changes before cathay drops???
Replies: >>95904678 >>95904707
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:15:43 PM No.95904678
>>95904666
>before
nope, they drop alongside cathay, meaning cathay will stay as it is

the rules updates won't touch the lacklustre army/profile/spell rules of some factions, and the point updates can only go so far, and will certainly be aimed first and foremost at dumbing down what's meta, which won't affect cathay which can be considered strong now against the current meta, let alone after the nerfs to everyone else.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:24:13 PM No.95904707
>>95904666
>just made a 2000 point list and am in the process of building it
If I have to redo my list Iโ€™m going to be very sad
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:38:10 PM No.95904744
>>95902753
I buy from a local recaster, thus supporting small business. Fuck industrial scale yoy faggotry too, its product is as shitty and brittle as proontrash.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:38:46 PM No.95904750
>>95904560
Is this really where you find yourself?
Resorting to impotent bitching after being unable to formulate a coherent argument?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:39:13 PM No.95904753
>>95904380
Hot, but what if the shugengan is her daughter?
Replies: >>95904760
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:41:29 PM No.95904760
>>95904753
That's cute.

Like a mother giving her kid a piggy ride.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:44:46 PM No.95904769
>>95904301
>Why do you assume that?
Because you continuously conflate the health of a gaming community with the financial success of a product.
If GW releases objectively awry-wanked factions they deserve to be criticized for it, not shielded behind;
>b-but we w-want the old world to be a success guys
Replies: >>95904779
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:45:39 PM No.95904772
Miao Ying, kill yourself
Miao Ying, kill yourself
md5: 1dc4dd75dc84d6a3b4d8dcc52c963de8๐Ÿ”
>>95902070
Replies: >>95905681
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:46:07 PM No.95904775
>>95904439
>with a second wave of minis
this isn't confirmed though unless you're counting Miao Yang herself as a wave
Replies: >>95904810
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:46:41 PM No.95904779
>>95904769
>Because you continuously conflate the health of a gaming community with the financial success of a product.
I don't. I conflate the health of a product line with the financial success of a product. Because, you know, that's how it works.

>If GW releases objectively awry-wanked factions they deserve to be criticized for it, not shielded behind;
I have some doubt about how bad it is. But, overall, I don't disagree. I just don't think that changes the fact that I'm still rooting for the models to sell because I want more products like this.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:48:18 PM No.95904785
image(3)
image(3)
md5: b121df16af031d623c63847382d579be๐Ÿ”
That fucking monkey bonk stick on a shugengan lord seems fucking stupid.

It's tough enough to tank hits and then good luck surviving the retaliatory strike. Now I got a new arms race with my friend. Meteoric Iron, here I come!
Replies: >>95904796 >>95904923
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:50:32 PM No.95904796
>>95904785
>I finally have a excuse to play my Dragon Ball figure as a actual character.
Nice!
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:53:37 PM No.95904810
tow_cathaysymbols-jun17-image1b-xvxseitpv1
tow_cathaysymbols-jun17-image1b-xvxseitpv1
md5: 6258d70df6ec038d712f8fd892dc90f4๐Ÿ”
>>95904775
We have art of Crow Men and a Moon Bird, which don't have models yet, so we can probably make a decent assumption that those will get models since only thing we see in art these days are GW models
Replies: >>95904815 >>95904868
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:54:33 PM No.95904815
>>95904810
Are they playable in Total War?
Replies: >>95904826
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:55:51 PM No.95904819
120201
120201
md5: 3f71c77f2ce8e069184d988b9559d7ac๐Ÿ”
>>95902917
Nah, that claim is complete bull.
If Yin-Yin ever shows up in TOW as a unit, it'll be under the 'Cathayan Dragon' umbrella, just like Miao Ying.
Replies: >>95904832 >>95905194
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:57:03 PM No.95904826
>>95904815
yes
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:57:53 PM No.95904828
Cathay army composition
Cathay army composition
md5: b8972b444c97400518a7b45253625855๐Ÿ”
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:58:42 PM No.95904831
>Want to make a Empire army.
>Refuse to buy from GW
What are some good places to find historical figures to use as proxies?
Replies: >>95904837 >>95904838 >>95904840 >>95904841 >>95904980
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:59:00 PM No.95904832
>>95904819
>Can shift each turn for 1d3 heal
>Dies and come back for d3 heal

>Potentially 28 wounds on a 6 toughness armoured and ward saved dragon caster.

Why.
Replies: >>95904852 >>95905194
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:00:04 PM No.95904837
>>95904831
Warlord Games, Victrix, Perry Minis I think are some.
Replies: >>95904846 >>95904945
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:00:16 PM No.95904838
>>95904831
Unironically Perry Miniatures is a good alternative.

Also, you can just at one of OP's links.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:00:30 PM No.95904840
>>95904831
Landsknecht Starter Army set from Warlord Games is probably a decent place to start
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:00:39 PM No.95904841
>>95904831
Perry miniatures
Or sunland if you 3d print.
Replies: >>95904851 >>95904945
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:01:28 PM No.95904846
>>95904837
>Victrix
>perry miniatures
Those sell thirty year war stuff?
Replies: >>95904861
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:02:11 PM No.95904851
>>95904841
Sunland is more Empire proxy than Historical model, might as well recomandded the Reptillian Overlord Empire models while your at it
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:02:21 PM No.95904852
>>95904832
GOTTA SHOW THE SHAREHOLDERS CATHAY NUMBERS!
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:04:36 PM No.95904861
>>95904846
Not sure at all I just tried to list off some places doing historical stuff hoping it'd be what was needed.
Replies: >>95904865
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:06:29 PM No.95904864
>>95902070
WHF lore? Everyone.
TOW retcon fanon slop? Trannies.
Replies: >>95905681
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:06:42 PM No.95904865
>>95904861
They are fantastic for Bretonnia(And chaos marauders), no doubt about that. They are the places I usually go to for historical stuff. But neither one has much for the thirty year war. Granted, Perry miniatures has English civil war and Halberdiers that probably work.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:07:08 PM No.95904868
>>95904810
I don't really expect the moon bird, they only added that in total war because the crowmen dlc was poorly received

I do expect the crowmen, however
Replies: >>95904888
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:09:21 PM No.95904874
Screenshot 2025-06-19 140851
Screenshot 2025-06-19 140851
md5: 0c77f6feca0e40d07c22d2193e792d51๐Ÿ”
What happens here?
Replies: >>95904877
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:11:08 PM No.95904877
>>95904874
Villain songs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ocm8QdNR_d8
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:14:17 PM No.95904888
l-j-koh-ljk129-wtow-chaos-chimera-vignette-box-art-flt-copy
>>95904868
I also didn't think we would get it, but it being in a piece of official GW art basically guarantees it's going to get a model.
GW only shows model-accurate stuff in their art now, and TOW has been consistent with that when it's not just reusing artwork from WFB, or Warhammer video games
Replies: >>95904922
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:14:58 PM No.95904893
>>95904560
It doesn't matter if Cathay doesn't overthrow Bretonnia and Tomb Kings lists competitively. Competitive play is a niche within a niche. The problem, and what anons have been rightfully complaining about, is that their rules are obnoxious! Annoying! Gay! Compfags will be compfags, trust me, I've seen what they can do to the game. I really don't care about the competitive meta anymore. I care about casual play and Cathay will make casual play unfun.
Replies: >>95904903
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:16:20 PM No.95904897
tow_cathayminis2-jun19-image3-ei8zlpt1eq
tow_cathayminis2-jun19-image3-ei8zlpt1eq
md5: f115b6f75414c3de5c5b828960d71764๐Ÿ”
Second part of the Cathay sculpting article.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/pkxzhver/old-world-almanack-sculpting-the-great-and-the-good-of-grand-cathay/
Replies: >>95904915 >>95904939 >>95905011
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:17:55 PM No.95904903
>>95904893
Casual play mostly depends on the player in the first place. If somebody shows up with something that actually looks like a army I doubt they will be that hard to fight.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:20:39 PM No.95904915
>>95904897
I wonder if I could kitbash that one eyed fellow into a decent Xiahou Dun.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:23:00 PM No.95904922
>>95904888
Your assumption is flawed: the dragon emperor and the moon empress aren't going to get made just because they are in that artwork and there's lots of random doodles that don't really feature anything that will ever receive a model, in the leaked pages there's even a sentinel warrior with a back banner thing that's not on the model, so the 1:1 accuracy of artworks isn't even consistent.
It would be a different story if it was a full normal standalone artwork like the one you now posted, clearly meant for a box art, but a random appearance in the corner of a piece like that is not an assurance.

The directive to show in art only stuff they've got models for has been pretty much cancelled years and years ago by now.
Replies: >>95905074
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:23:06 PM No.95904923
Is there a wizard you get to point on the sky lantern in the TWW game?

>>95904785
Honestly I think this looks decently strong. He can take illusion too with a 5/6 chance of getting doppelganger. Base 3+/5++ save, T5, 7 wounds, striking back with mount attacks + 4 S10 AP-4 d3 wounds and then getting 2d6 auto-hits if he gets the spell off. You can afford to spend big on weapons for the shugengan lords because they come with most defenses built in. I actually like taking this on one and the regen blade on the other.
Replies: >>95904934
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:25:43 PM No.95904932
beast van
beast van
md5: 366c0268572b17a0edc731ffff4d2920๐Ÿ”
is this any good as an addition to the batallion box?
i knwo the value is decent but i wonder if 10 bestigors alone can really work?
Replies: >>95904973 >>95905002
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:26:42 PM No.95904934
>>95904923
>Is there a wizard you get to point on the sky lantern in the TWW game?
no
Astomancers get either the Great Moon Bird, horse or a War Compass as a mount in TWW
I can't remember what Alchemists get as mount, probably a horse option
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:28:33 PM No.95904939
>>95904897
Have to say the sky lantern and miao ying really are gorgeous models.
Replies: >>95904953
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:30:14 PM No.95904945
>>95904841
>>95904837

ew perryfags
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:32:47 PM No.95904953
>>95904939
Yeah.

I really hope the Sky Lantern crew aren't attached to the thing. They are such characterful models, wouldn't mind trying to use them for other things.
Replies: >>95904993 >>95905008
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:36:31 PM No.95904973
>>95904932
if it's still selling at the rrp then there is no reason not to take it since you'll always want dragon ogres just to run as lone units and the box is only 50% more than the drogre kit.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:37:39 PM No.95904980
>>95904831
3d printers
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:40:05 PM No.95904993
>>95904953
in what world would they be attached? the article even mentions painting them separately and the eyepatch dude having a peg leg
Replies: >>95905028
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:43:28 PM No.95905002
>>95904932
push comes to shove, use 2 of them to convert a beastlord and a battle standard bearer and the other 8 for unit champions for your other units or to make beastmen chariots in plastic by replacing the crew of the orc chariots
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:45:26 PM No.95905008
>>95904953
Sadly your cool cathayan pirate crew come attached to an 190 dollar balloon.
Replies: >>95905028
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:46:06 PM No.95905011
>>95904897
>there are two head options โ€“ one intended to be more masculine with larger horns, and a feminine version that has a horn on the nose, along with smaller horns on the head
I like that you can chose the sex of the Longma. Cool detail to include.
Replies: >>95905023 >>95905025
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:47:14 PM No.95905019
>but WHAT IF I spent $500 on cathayan models just to kitbash a counts-as-marienburgers mordheim warband complete with ogre bodyguard hired sword
>delightfully devilish, seymour
Replies: >>95905027 >>95905035
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:47:56 PM No.95905023
>>95905011
weird they're not showing it though

even weirder you get to choose the sex of the longma but not the sex of the rider, that one can only be a woman
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:48:15 PM No.95905025
>>95905011
Mounting my female Shugengan Lord on a male Spirit Longma. Because of the implication.
Replies: >>95905035 >>95905083
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:48:56 PM No.95905027
>>95905019
luckily, recasters provide bits services on requests
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:49:08 PM No.95905028
>>95904993
>in what world would they be attached?
A very bad one. So, possibly this one.

>>95905008
I could attach them with magnets...
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:50:28 PM No.95905035
>>95905025
Name her "Yuu jus-now".

>>95905019
My actual plan for Marienburg warband is mostly historical pikemen and Dutch sailors I already own as part of blood and plunder.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:56:29 PM No.95905064
did they forget to add the points cost of a longma to the shiggydiggy lord? these fuckers are insane
Replies: >>95905083 >>95905123 >>95905357
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:58:22 PM No.95905074
>>95904922
>in the leaked pages there's even a sentinel warrior with a back banner thing that's not on the model
If the kit proves successful enough they will definitely add upgrade sprues to it like they periodically do with the imperial knights in 40k

it would allow them to make the super special gundam sentinel character too
Replies: >>95905250
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:00:05 PM No.95905083
>>95905025
>>95905064
Everytime I hear the name pronounced in TWW, it reminds me of the lyrics "Sugar Pie, Honey Bunch" from that one old song.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:03:56 PM No.95905103
>Normal soldiers look like a bitch to paint.
>Sentinels are probably done in a day.
Huh...
Replies: >>95905126
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:04:20 PM No.95905105
1553
1553
md5: 4f1a05f5358498741197630cd00f8638๐Ÿ”
Bit of a shame that you can't take a Shugengan Lord on foot.
Replies: >>95905119 >>95905305 >>95905312
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:06:48 PM No.95905119
>>95905105
can't have units that don't have Games Workshopโ„ข official models anon, especially for the NPC faction
Replies: >>95905142 >>95905150
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:07:18 PM No.95905123
>>95905064
considering how griffs and similar cost roughly 120-150pts, if anything they forgot to factor the cost of the heroes themselves
a 100 points short at the very least in both cases
Replies: >>95905144
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:08:19 PM No.95905126
>>95905103
You could paint the soldiers as terracotta stuff too.
Replies: >>95905135
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:09:37 PM No.95905135
>>95905126
True.

I mean, I won't, but you could.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:10:38 PM No.95905142
>>95905119
Don't other Arcane Journals actually feature units that don't have official models?
Replies: >>95905147
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:11:00 PM No.95905144
>>95905123
A longma is not on the powerlevel of a griffon.
Replies: >>95905162
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:11:17 PM No.95905147
>>95905142
Yes
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:11:46 PM No.95905150
99122702004_EoMCommandersOfTheEmpire01
99122702004_EoMCommandersOfTheEmpire01
md5: 8e7b4bfbb4472d5b4035ee41609a18ce๐Ÿ”
>>95905119
Eeh, they could have at least included an 'on foot' option within the sprue, like they did with the Empire Commanders.
Replies: >>95905158 >>95905168 >>95905433
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:13:24 PM No.95905158
>>95905150
They did for the gate master
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:13:55 PM No.95905162
>>95905144
same strength and weapon, same skill, same toughness, same (if not more) extra wounds, same (if not greater) speed, more armor

one less attack

it's not equivalent to a dragon and it's not equivalent to a pegasus, it's equivalent to a griff, give or take 10-20pts
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:14:56 PM No.95905168
>>95905150
a shugengan on foot would have made the army even more broken and highlighted just how underpriced the ligma horse is.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:17:07 PM No.95905175
file
file
md5: 75fe043409170322332c385c1f117b89๐Ÿ”
My battalion box has arrived and I have assembled eight glade guard and eight deepwood scouts.
Additonally, I painted four of the glade guard for my autumnal WElves army.
What do you think, anons? Any criticism?
Replies: >>95905183 >>95905206 >>95907002
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:18:33 PM No.95905183
>>95905175
Very good. Not my favorite models in the world, but your paint scheme looks very solid.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:19:49 PM No.95905189
>>95902454
Look at the Lantern entry, then look at the special rule that follows "Feigned Flight".

>>95902620
They're better than other melee infantry taxes. Which everyone who can take something else doesn't take.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:20:32 PM No.95905194
AOS single models
AOS single models
md5: 8d4ea451dda61362e5e973ae68a407f3๐Ÿ”
>>95904819
>>95904832
Haven't any of you dumb fucks ever heard of the concept called: "Pay-To-Win" which is commonly found in almost every single competitive game? GW needs Miao Ying to be broken justify that +$200 price tag. Going over +$200 is pushing it consider a lot of single entity AoS miniatures are just around that range and Old World isn't exactly 40k levels of popularity where they can get away with charging an arm and a leg.
Replies: >>95905201
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:21:02 PM No.95905197
Whatโ€™s the lore basis on Jade Lancers having Ambush?
Replies: >>95905238
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:21:34 PM No.95905201
>>95905194
Image isn't really the best example considering that Gargants in AoS are the equivalent of a DPS check.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:22:04 PM No.95905206
>>95905175
They all appear to be shooting in different directions. Those poor wood elves must be completely surrounded.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:25:05 PM No.95905230
>random move d6 hex as a signature spell
aaaaiiiieeeeeeeeeeee
Replies: >>95905234
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:26:29 PM No.95905234
>>95905230
Really funny when you compare it to Winds of Chaos.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:26:47 PM No.95905235
>>95903613
Buy a 3d printer.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:27:11 PM No.95905238
>>95905197
I think they mentioned getting trained to ride in the tight confines of city streets and shit, so maybe it's because they get to traverse forests or other cramped terrain fast and that gets them to flank an enemy army.


but more likely it's just because the army is missing light cavalry and skirmishing options, so they're arbitrarily given one this way.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:28:41 PM No.95905250
>>95905074
You don't need a special sprue to give a model a back banner or even a custom banner of your own making. Brass rod, polystyrene rod, plasticard sheet or paper, that's all you need.
Replies: >>95905286
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:31:42 PM No.95905267
>>95903217
Get glasses mate, you were responding to someone who said that other armies had useful units in core.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:33:08 PM No.95905276
>>95903205

Not at all. Im fine with others armies being in a good spot.
The thing is the empire is not only underdeveloped in both the Arcane Journal and FoF book, it also makes no fcking sense pointwise or rulewise when you put in the context of the other human armies.

Ill put it like this, even when casual games leave such a really bad taste on your mouth, you know something is wrong with your army.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:34:50 PM No.95905281
miao ying will lose to my beastlord
Replies: >>95905283 >>95905290 >>95905315
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:35:42 PM No.95905283
>>95905281
She does have strong rapebait energy.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:36:37 PM No.95905286
>>95905250
The one in the artwork is not a normal back banner, I just don't know what's called, it's this buddhist(?) thing here https://youtu.be/gU7lSv8DUWU?t=1h20m35s
Replies: >>95905300 >>95905309
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:38:20 PM No.95905290
>>95905281
Inshghorros, raa roo!
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:39:05 PM No.95905293
>>95903683
Mixed bag. Some select stuff that ranges from overtuned to absolutely broken, in the middle of a list of stuff that's good but is missing stuff.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:39:48 PM No.95905300
>>95905286
Oh. Yeah, that does look really chinesy. Get a brass ring and start sculpting it with putty, maybe. I don't know, models aren't supposed to reflect the art 1:1.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:40:44 PM No.95905305
>>95905105
Did the whole book leak or just select unit entries?
Replies: >>95905309
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:41:48 PM No.95905309
>>95905305
The video here goes through all the rules >>95905286
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:42:31 PM No.95905312
>>95905105
This sets a bad precedent. Characters are supposed to be represented by profiles with extensive amounts of customization. This reeks of AoS/40k style rules-writing, where a daemon prince and a daemon prince with wings are 2 completely separate profiles for no good reason.
Replies: >>95905335
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:42:52 PM No.95905315
>>95905281
hot~
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:46:39 PM No.95905335
>>95905312
40k went into the deep end because they replaced point costs of models and equipment options with one power level for the entire unit regardless of its equipment
the result is something as drastic as the ability to fly needs to be a different unit profile so it can get a different power level value
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:50:08 PM No.95905357
>>95905064
you can't take the Shugengan lord on foot he comes preattached to the Longma
Replies: >>95905405
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:51:05 PM No.95905362
cathay 1
cathay 1
md5: 39d33cb43c84d7ae09c948316e7b69be๐Ÿ”
Can anyone explain why people are butthurt over Cathay getting this "Celestial Forged Armor (X+)" as part of their army special rules? The best armour Cathay can get is Heavy Armour (Miao Ying is the only exception because dragon scales count as Full Plate Armour in dragon form), which is only a +5 Armour Save. Meanwhile, other armies like Empire get Full Plate Armour which is a +4 Armour Save. Dwarfs on top of that get Gromril Armour which let's them rerolls 1s on their Armour Saves.
Replies: >>95905375 >>95905392 >>95905396 >>95905410 >>95905493 >>95905890
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:54:41 PM No.95905375
>>95905362
It's one of the many unnecessary extra rules that make the army way overtuned in all aspects.
Not having plate armor is a laughable drawback when your monstrous steed adds 2 points of armor anyway.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:57:45 PM No.95905392
They came from the Norf
They came from the Norf
md5: 771b2d60c0d1a869f1359f206129199d๐Ÿ”
>>95905362
Because they stole if from my army.
Replies: >>95905414 >>95905423
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:57:55 PM No.95905396
>>95905362
I'm personally butthurt because that's exactly how chaos armour works in this edition and it only applies to chaos characters (5+) and chosen (6+) while my regular warriors and knights are stuck with just heavy armour like a bunch of chumps.
Replies: >>95905423
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:58:36 PM No.95905400
>>95904489
So basically you get two turns of your dragon being a dragon over 5 turns. Assuming she doesn't eat a combat lord with an ogre blade or equivalent, a monster hunter or an artillery park at some point. Know

I mean, it's effective points denial, I will grant you that, but doing that means she has less game impact.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:58:55 PM No.95905405
>>95905357
indulge me
how many points do you think the 145 point hero would be if he had no mount?
Replies: >>95905447
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:59:49 PM No.95905410
>>95905362
hahahaha what
Their wizards get a 27" dispel range every other turn?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:00:36 PM No.95905414
>>95905392
But you also get to have Full Plate Armour where you get to roll on +4 instead of a +5.
Replies: >>95905420 >>95905485
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:00:52 PM No.95905417
In some non-Cathay News, The New TOW RPG is going to be available today approximately at 4 pm UK/Irish time (one hour)
Replies: >>95905429 >>95905473 >>95905698 >>95906812
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:01:37 PM No.95905420
>>95905414
That's only for chaos lords and chosen, anon. Everything else either has no armour, light armour, or heavy armour.
Replies: >>95905431
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:01:59 PM No.95905423
>>95905392
>>95905396
That rule only applies to 2 people: Miao Ying and Shugengans.
Replies: >>95905432
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:03:05 PM No.95905429
>>95905417
hope it's uploaded fast, looking forwards to reading the fluff
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:03:10 PM No.95905431
>>95905420
Didn't Chaos Warriors get to have Full Plate in 8th Edition?
Replies: >>95905440
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:03:13 PM No.95905432
>>95905423
Nuh-uh, your jade warriors and lances can get it if this Miao twat is your general.
Replies: >>95905445
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:03:18 PM No.95905433
>>95905150
the GW that released the empire general on foot was a very different company zoom-kun
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:04:14 PM No.95905440
>>95905431
Yes, but TOW is not 8th.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:04:23 PM No.95905444
In total war the shoogengan lords are on foot and have cool kung fu moves
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:04:47 PM No.95905445
>>95905432
>If
Miao Ying is not going to be released for at least another couple a months to the end of 2025.
Replies: >>95905451 >>95905455 >>95905473 >>95905493
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:04:49 PM No.95905447
>>95905405
What does a Loremaster of Hoeth cost on foot?
If we're talking about the Shugengan General, I would say about 95 points with no other upgrades
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:06:29 PM No.95905451
>>95905445
A problem that will only rear its ugly free ward save shaped head later is still a problem.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:07:24 PM No.95905455
>>95905445
We have her rules and 3d modelers exist
Replies: >>95905480 >>95905520
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:09:53 PM No.95905473
>>95905417
Are we expecting some in-depth worldbuilding or just the minimal introduction and then crunch for the game itself?

>>95905445
>implying people won't proxy or print
Replies: >>95905646
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:11:05 PM No.95905480
>>95905455
This.

Im going to show up with a Tiki Amibo and a plush dragon until we get the official model.
Replies: >>95905520
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:12:02 PM No.95905485
>>95905414
I want more Full plate.
I want my basic Warriors to have 2 attack and Full Plate again.
I want my WS6 Chosen back.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:12:57 PM No.95905493
>>95905362
>>95905445
Does anybody have the math for which is better:

>A 50% chance Armour Save (Full Plate)

Or

>2 chances 33% Saves, one from Heavy Armour and one from Ward
Replies: >>95905515 >>95905541 >>95905550
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:17:11 PM No.95905515
>>95905493
dude, it's simple math.
and besides that, the ward save doesn't get deleted by armour penetration, so it's not just marginally better. it's better period
Replies: >>95905532
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:17:37 PM No.95905520
>>95905455
>>95905480
Good luck using them in tournaments where the Tournament Organizers can just enforce the "No Proxies" or "No non-GW Minis" rule in order to not have to deal with this shit.
Replies: >>95905530 >>95905599
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:18:40 PM No.95905530
>>95905520
They should simply ban cathay in general until gw makes a step back.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:19:09 PM No.95905532
>>95905515
Magic also exists.
Replies: >>95905547
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:20:40 PM No.95905541
>>95905493
At least one 5+ on two dice is 55.56%, slightly better than 4+ on one die
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:21:20 PM No.95905547
>>95905532
In what way does magic make plate armor better?
Replies: >>95905560
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:21:28 PM No.95905550
>>95905493
5+/5++ is mathematically better.

But the only model with that is Miao's human form.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:22:59 PM No.95905560
>>95905547
There are spell giving a 5+ ward. I think that's what they were referring to.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:23:24 PM No.95905565
klxdtllwpsyy
klxdtllwpsyy
md5: d876119396a001fd484717b0ed683898๐Ÿ”
>People excited to play Cathay right now
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:29:46 PM No.95905593
I made my friend, who was trying wood elves, salty after I steam rolled him. Was saying calculating combat res was taking too long, but I get it, as the wardancers did SFA so I jsut said "Ya, lets do it another way next time".

Will write it up next thread.
Replies: >>95905787
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:30:25 PM No.95905599
>>95905520
I have zero desire to play tournaments, nor do I imagine Cathay will shake up the tournament scene.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:35:49 PM No.95905633
Does anybody have any good suggestions for proxys for marauders? Can't stand the goofy marauders that GW sells. Both 3d print and miniatures will do
Replies: >>95905650 >>95905658
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:38:43 PM No.95905646
>>95905473
maybe a lot of detail on Tallgradd but i wouldn't expect a lot of detail on the rest of the setting
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:39:46 PM No.95905650
>>95905633
avatars of war has marauders in plastic
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:39:55 PM No.95905653
32432424
32432424
md5: 13d96375e85e64443357c05036a2ff42๐Ÿ”
>>95901891 (OP)
>TQ
Yes. I'm more excited to see whether or not Cathay will actually sell. The Cathay battalion box could end up like another AoS Dominion or Skaventide where they were literally giving them away for free at conventions and tournaments.
Replies: >>95905690 >>95905777 >>95905790 >>95905875
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:40:40 PM No.95905658
CTC2025_23
CTC2025_23
md5: a40fe9d56200d68fb4d854fdaef53168๐Ÿ”
>>95905633
There's nothing goofy about marauders, anon.
Replies: >>95905779
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:44:04 PM No.95905681
>>95904864
>>95904772
The lore is mostly trite, even before the old world reckoning. I thought people were mainly interested in the old world because itโ€™s the only rank and flank with a plausible interest.
Replies: >>95905719 >>95905798
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:46:26 PM No.95905690
Tick_tock
Tick_tock
md5: bbdff9bce4467e46f18a83b1601a6a96๐Ÿ”
>>95905653
>they were literally giving them away for free at conventions and tournaments.

Wasn't all that just /wfg/ propaganda and/or hopium that AoS would crash burn so GW would come crawling back to the old WHFB players and start begging for forgiveness?
Replies: >>95905722
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:49:10 PM No.95905698
image-7
image-7
md5: f73b183db8a382737b3fe0070a2262ad๐Ÿ”
>>95905417
a review for TOWRPG, which just makes it sound like a less crunchy WFRP set in a different time and with weird art choices like Impreal Billie D Williams here.
>https://professionalcasual.com/2025/06/18/rpg-review-warhammer-the-old-world-rpg/
Replies: >>95905706 >>95905757 >>95905779
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:50:40 PM No.95905706
>>95905698
>Billie D Williams
nigga you blind
Replies: >>95905716
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:52:32 PM No.95905716
e1d0a3c45f04ece054eaca1bf67a2e01
e1d0a3c45f04ece054eaca1bf67a2e01
md5: 1e571cd40624b204ca30a2412d4db15d๐Ÿ”
>>95905706
IDK it's what came to my mind when I saw the image
Replies: >>95905865
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:52:50 PM No.95905719
>>95905681
The lore is massive for WHFB/TOW perrynigger despite your hatred for it. One of the biggest draws has always been the lore and models before the game.
Replies: >>95905789
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:53:41 PM No.95905722
>>95905690
The topic discussing Skaventide's failure is still active on /tg/ here:

>>95898776
Replies: >>95905743 >>95905872
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:54:40 PM No.95905731
>>95902070
I do, I want to make sure my judgement is grounded on stuff other than assumptions and I want to see if they incidentally touch on other stuff.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:56:36 PM No.95905743
>>95905722
They keep shoving Sigmarines in every box
No one wants fucking sigmarines
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:58:14 PM No.95905756
>Wumaohammer Fantasy
Why are gw doing this, are they trying to get planning permission for a Chinese factory?
Replies: >>95905763 >>95905775
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:58:26 PM No.95905757
>>95905698
That's clearly Imperial Orlando Bloom.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:59:59 PM No.95905763
>>95905756
They already have a Chinese factory for Terrain and books, and GW gets big tax breaks in the UK if the majority of production stays in the UK, so I don't think that's the case
They probably just want to get a bigger hold of the Chinese mainland market.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:02:16 PM No.95905775
>>95905756
>Chinese factory
an easy recipe for disaster

they just want to catch the hypothetical warhammer fans who love cathay and the hypothetical chinese market who loves warhammer but prefers to be nationalistic even in fiction
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:02:57 PM No.95905777
>>95905653
>The World's Greatest Fantasy Miniature Game โ„ข
God nu-GW are such colossal faggots
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:03:19 PM No.95905779
>>95905698
He seems fine to me.

>>95905658
You're a fucking legend and a scholar. I've managed to use my Marauders with flails a number of times and they've fucking kicked some hard shit in. Love you man!
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:03:35 PM No.95905781
TOW RPG is up for sale, only the Player Guide is up as a PDF.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:03:54 PM No.95905787
>>95905593
>calculating combat res takes too long

??? It's some very basic addition. I suppose if you didn't know how to do and had it look up it could take while.
Replies: >>95905799
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:04:36 PM No.95905789
>>95905719
>now being called Perry
At least he has models, not someone who regurgitates a regurgitated setting. But you do you anon.
Replies: >>95905804 >>95905856
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:04:55 PM No.95905790
>>95905653
I mean it's not a limited run box so I can't imagine it will pan out the same regardless
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:05:56 PM No.95905798
>>95905681
No most people who play any version of warhammer are playing it because it's warhammer, not because it's a wargame.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:06:03 PM No.95905799
>>95905787
It was arbitrary cause I was calculating for both of us and he got frustrated. It's addition, sure, but just seeing "Ok close order, X amount of kills, you don't so...". I saw his point of course, but also it was likely instigated that he was losing horribly. Valid criticism though.
Replies: >>95905836
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:08:31 PM No.95905804
>>95905789
Simply having models means little if you play no games
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:10:21 PM No.95905811
Warhammer_the_Old_World_Roleplaying_Game_-_Map_-_Talabheim_and_Surrounds_19_06_25
The new map for TOW RPG, which is nice can't think WFRP ever bothered with a nice map of Talabacland
Replies: >>95905863
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:14:05 PM No.95905836
>>95905799
As a new wood elf player, getting charged usually means my leadership test is at a -5 or 6 in this meta so I can kind of understand it
But I played beasts through 7th and 8th so I'm at least used to removing my stuff by the handful
Replies: >>95905969
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:18:11 PM No.95905856
>>95905789
>thinks calling a supported setting regurgitated is an insult
yeah, I guess we cant all play by ourselves setting up dioramas and begging our wives, some of us actually get to have fun with our hobbies.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:19:58 PM No.95905863
>>95905811
Looks like SHIT compared to glorious Cathay in don't understand why empire serf even bother to stay alive and don't kill themselves on the spot
Replies: >>95905868
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:21:00 PM No.95905865
>>95905716
Now I can't unsee it
But it's kinda sweet
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:21:26 PM No.95905868
>>95905863
Have you seen their gunpowder weapons?

They would miss.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:22:27 PM No.95905872
>>95905722
Don't care.

Like both settings and will use models for both.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:22:48 PM No.95905875
>>95905653
From the rumors I heard, they massively under produced the Cathay box.
Like the largest distributor in my state got ONE fucking box (East Coast State)
Replies: >>95905887
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:25:20 PM No.95905887
>>95905875
They did the same with TOWs release
I could see it as GW being overall cautious, which I don't think is an unfair thing to do if they think it's not going to sell but I'm pretty sure everyone thought this was going to do well
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:25:50 PM No.95905890
>>95905362
Because the book is overtuned and full of them poaching unique shit from other factions and slapping it in here
Replies: >>95905942
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:34:34 PM No.95905942
>>95905890
may favorite part is that the jade warriors have detachment, because why should empire have things?
Replies: >>95905971 >>95907145
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:38:21 PM No.95905966
The Old World Role playing Game Carrers
The Old World Role playing Game Carrers
md5: 8273956589cbe55ca5127a0bccbe08ee๐Ÿ”
List of all the careers in the player guide for TOWRPG
Replies: >>95906157 >>95906317
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:38:44 PM No.95905969
>>95905836
For sure, heck I had my Khorne Warriors break (proper break) and get run down my DORFS. It happens. But he isn't used to that, and don't get me wrong, he didn't spaz, but you know, had that mini frustration induced complaint.

Didn't take away from it and we'll hope to play TT soon once he gets his cathay. Also, hilariously, all my grinding on Shadow of the Horned Rat has helped me positionally immensely!
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:39:00 PM No.95905971
Screenshot_20250619_163807_Chrome
Screenshot_20250619_163807_Chrome
md5: 6b0211f3ccc50e9d66f58b9ea4c9c7ad๐Ÿ”
>>95905942

That's because even a lowly Jade Warrior is the equivalent of Bretonnias noble sons.
Replies: >>95905984 >>95905994 >>95905995 >>95907153
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:40:28 PM No.95905984
>>95905971
You forgot to put the asterisk on noble
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:42:14 PM No.95905994
>>95905971
>eq of a noble
>basic foot soldier
Ahh yes the 500pts of them at 8ppm will really sell to me how unique and rare they are
Replies: >>95907153
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:42:16 PM No.95905995
>>95905971
I was actually underwhelmed by the Jade Warriors. I was concerned they were going to be Chaos Warrior tier, but in fact, they're just S3 and T3 with WS5 and a 4+ armour save. Not a big deal.
Replies: >>95906019
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:45:32 PM No.95906019
>>95905995
S4 with halbs, ws6 often, 8ppm
What's the opposite of concern trolling? This faggots been at it all day
Replies: >>95906056 >>95906064
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:49:31 PM No.95906056
>>95906019
I haven't no. And WS6 is only with Maio Ying and other shenanigans.

>S4 with Halbs

Like everyone with halberds?

>8ppm
They shit on State troops but overall aren't anything major.
Replies: >>95906098
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:50:03 PM No.95906064
>>95906019
Don't forget rerolling saves of 1
You can buy 2, almost 3 if CW decked out, jade warriors for the price of 1 chaos warrior, but that's moreso chaos warriors bring overpriced I think. But just goes to show that Cathays "most basic" model mods most other factions infantry in efficency. For melee at least.
Replies: >>95907167
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:54:46 PM No.95906098
>>95906056
Other than bret peasants and primal fury gors who's infantry is boasting that level of performance for that price?
>umm sweaty the top event tables don't use these units only use ranged.
But 95% of us aren't competitve and even those WAACfags don't always bring Uber optimized lists. So if your "weakest" infantry is miles above other infantry you have a problem in balance. Higher weaponskill is just about as good as toughness (in that you block like 18% of hits) often, and 4+ rerolling 1s or 5+ rerolling ones with s4 are both extremely effective when on mass infantry.
Replies: >>95906110 >>95906183
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:56:29 PM No.95906110
>>95906098
I ain't saying they're hot garbage by any means anon. In fact I was anticipating them to be equal to chaos warriors in stats, but also suffer the super cheap points cost. Essentially my expectations were much, much higher as the last thing I want to see is hardcore powercreep like 7th ed Daemons.

Yes they're definitely over tuned, the whole army list is. But not, at least jade warriors in and of themselves, completely off the wall stupid.
Replies: >>95906118
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:58:14 PM No.95906118
>>95906110
I don't mind the army list being a bit overtuned frankly considering how small it is.
Replies: >>95906223 >>95906225
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:00:49 PM No.95906135
Cathay feels like a fighting game final boss that has all the movesets of all the other fighters
Replies: >>95906144 >>95906166 >>95906223
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:02:02 PM No.95906144
>>95906135
>Cathay is the Seth of factions.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:03:48 PM No.95906157
>>95905966
Got a bestiary section in there?
Replies: >>95906179
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:05:02 PM No.95906166
>>95906135
ummm actually it was cathay who invented all those moves first so it's only natural
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:07:56 PM No.95906179
>>95906157
not in the player guide I would guess it's coming with the GM Guide next month
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:08:25 PM No.95906183
>>95906098
Orc and goblins
Replies: >>95906243
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:13:54 PM No.95906223
>>95906118
I'd be inclined to agree. Plus on paper they seem hot but, let's see in action.

>>95906135
Shang Tsung?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:14:00 PM No.95906225
>>95906118
This is the problem tho. There's no way to adjust Cathay other than to be overtuned. Which means if your local buys Cathay if you want fair games, they can't really flex around easily. So you have to either 1-buy more models if you want to have a fair game or 2-just accept defeat. High eleves don't have to spam dragons, bretonnia Pegasus, tomb kings can still bring skellies and other units besides mortuary. But Cathay? Everything is limited and overtuned so your army will have to be optimized to stand a chance. This shit limits either your opponents options or their chance of winning. Its a bad design to overtune this hard.
Replies: >>95906248 >>95906272
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:14:07 PM No.95906226
I wonder if so many people would be butthurt if kislev got rules on a similar power level as cathay.
Replies: >>95906238 >>95906245
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:15:23 PM No.95906238
>>95906226
Nah, Kislev is an old army so it would have cred and would be attributed to regular bad balancing rather than GW sales department pushing broken stuff.
The REAL Kislev shitstorm will come if they resemble TW3 Kislev instead of their old selves.
Replies: >>95906627 >>95906704
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:15:51 PM No.95906243
>>95906183
I'm assuming you mean black orcs and not goblin spear blocks or even basic orcs. Both which are considered overtuned btw.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:16:27 PM No.95906245
>>95906226
The answer is the same amount of people, despite what you want to believe.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:16:36 PM No.95906248
>>95906225
Yeah, and if cathays units would be undertuned, they would be stuck with them since they have no other options.
Replies: >>95906286
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:18:21 PM No.95906259
>>95903286
>white people west
>white people north
>white people east
>white people south
>it was never ethnically homogenous
Replies: >>95906267 >>95906293
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:19:42 PM No.95906267
>>95906259
Are we considering beastmen and the French white now
Replies: >>95906275
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:20:15 PM No.95906272
>>95906225
I think, overall, it won't be too bad in casual scenarios if you keep it reasonable. Fielding a dragon in a 1000 point game is obviously not that. But just playing a normal gunline + Defense with some heroes probably won't be that unreasonable going up against Chaos or Bretonnia.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:20:41 PM No.95906275
>>95906267
Nta but I am 100% sure albino beastmen exist
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:21:40 PM No.95906286
>>95906248
>Oh noes my new army will not stomp everyone
This is your brain on WAAC
I was introduced to beastmen at their nadir yet I didn't run fleeing, and even now when beastman are strong they aren't popular. What if army asthetics and gameplay were more important than being OP? Like if jade warriors and shugen were more expensive does that detract from their rules or play on the table so much?
Replies: >>95906302 >>95906356 >>95907129
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:21:51 PM No.95906288
>>95904329
Check Warhammer Armies Project.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:22:30 PM No.95906293
>>95906259
>Ethnicity just means your skin color.
>Ignore how every province of the Empire is basically their own ethnicity.
>With racism between provinces being about as common as racism against other humans.

Places like Reikland, Marienburg, and even Nuln to a lesser extent are also very cosmopolitan and mercenaries are very popular.
Replies: >>95906335 >>95906438 >>95906843
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:23:11 PM No.95906302
>>95906286
You are forgetting in principal Warhammer is seen as mostly competitive.

For context, my first opponent brought ruby ring of ruin, poisoned gobbos and 4 artillery pieces even after I said I was new.
Replies: >>95906313 >>95906327 >>95906925
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:24:49 PM No.95906313
>>95906302
>You are forgetting in principal Warhammer is seen as mostly competitive.
Depends on the game and the player. Most Ork players I know just want to play their weird meme builds.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:25:03 PM No.95906317
>>95905966
How does arcane and hedge wizard differ? Can they take different lores and that? Also, how are brettonian wizards fluffed given the fae take all magically inclined kids, is it just a case of "Oh yeah take this career if you want to play a damsel" or is there some actual explanation?
Replies: >>95906366
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:26:01 PM No.95906327
>>95906302
Yeah you got a shit meta mate, most warhammer metas are old players returning with their models from editions past not optimized waacfaggotry.
Replies: >>95906372
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:27:05 PM No.95906335
>>95906293
>>Ignore how every province of the Empire is basically their own ethnicity.
all of them white ethnicities
Replies: >>95906358
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:30:11 PM No.95906356
>>95906286
There is a difference between stomping everyone and not being undertuned.
Doubt jade warriors will stomp many things. And it's better for a army with little options that those options are at least good.
Replies: >>95906367 >>95906396
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:30:31 PM No.95906358
>>95906335
Okay? And? Still not ethnically homogenous. Bretonnia is probably more homogenized and even they are prone to regionalism.
Replies: >>95906390
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:31:25 PM No.95906366
>>95906317
Carrers seem pretty broad, looking at the player guide,e so the Arcane Wizards is just the career you would have if your PC was a High elf mage or Damsel from Brettonia.
The main distinction between Arcane Wizards and Hedge Wizards is that Arcane Wizards learned from books and other sources and generally have a noble patron protecting them from Witch hunters whereas Hedge Wizards' it is all Oral traditions and rural wanderings
Replies: >>95906377
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:31:44 PM No.95906367
>>95906356
Pretty much. You can expect them to fight most other infantry and not get totally destroyed. Which is good since they are literally the only infantry you have.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:33:05 PM No.95906372
>>95906327
Its ok, I got one other bloke, my second opp, who is on the same page as me. Lovely chap. I just know from reading here and others, on *average* most people lean closer to WAAC than Narrative on the spectrum.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:33:16 PM No.95906377
>>95906366
Ah nice, does it explicitly say that the arcane wizard is the stand in for Damsel etc. or is that just your inferrence?
Replies: >>95906402
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:34:58 PM No.95906390
>>95906358
>Okay? And?
then you should agree depictions of black skinned imperials are out of place.
Replies: >>95906398
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:35:33 PM No.95906396
>>95906356
Again, you can drop the act. If the lowest thing is jade warriors and the rest is increasingly overscaled in power it's going to be miserable for your opponent. On the scale of undertuned to op, if you are introducing a new faction keeping it relatively in line allows people to get comfortable, rule test, and enjoy games before you power them up. But I suppose GW realized long ago waacfaggots are the best whales so I'm probably pissing in the wind here
Replies: >>95906456
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:36:01 PM No.95906398
>>95906390
Not really, no. Especially if it takes place in Reikland or Marienburg.
Replies: >>95906412
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:36:32 PM No.95906402
The Old World Arcane Wizard
The Old World Arcane Wizard
md5: 700ba9556d94b9d9243a0a81429d981a๐Ÿ”
>>95906377
They mention on the career page
Replies: >>95906576
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:37:53 PM No.95906412
>>95906398
>Not really, no
Hypocrite and dishonest that you are.
Replies: >>95906420
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:38:45 PM No.95906420
>>95906412
Why?
Replies: >>95906466
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:41:28 PM No.95906438
>>95906293
Medieval "racism" between french and english or english and scots don't change the fact they were all whites.
Same for the Empire.
Replies: >>95906447
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:43:22 PM No.95906447
>>95906438
No, it just shows the concept of white doesn't exist in real life.

Besides, in the context of Warhammer i imagine being a human is far more important. Your average dirt poor peasant will be far more hateful towards a Elf than they will be towards a fellow human. Even some weirdo from Araby.
Replies: >>95906500 >>95906534
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:44:06 PM No.95906456
>>95906396
Whatever, shizo.
I preorderd cathay at my LGS before rules were revealed and Im just happy they don't suck. I don't care if it makes grogs lose their shit.
Replies: >>95906480
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:45:53 PM No.95906466
>>95906420
because you're defending the depiction of black imperials by arguing that the empire was always multiethnic, but when confronted with the fact those multiple ethnicities aren't black, and agreeing with that fact, you don't stop defending the the depiction of black imperials

you're a hypocrite because you fail to be consistent with what you argue and you're dishonest because you were making an argument that you knew was irrelevant to what you actually want to defend
Replies: >>95906516
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:46:04 PM No.95906468
The stuff about the Cathay balloons makes me think they'll be present in DoW if those ever show up. Also Yin-Yin being a Navy/Air Force focus since she's probably off being a pirate.
Replies: >>95906489 >>95906509 >>95906548 >>95906581
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:47:32 PM No.95906480
>>95906456
I don't think you were the same anon but if so well... good luck getting games for a while
Replies: >>95906571
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:48:55 PM No.95906489
>>95906468
She failed so badly there was ONE (1) survivor. If anything, she'd do her best to avoid the navy.
Replies: >>95906501
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:49:42 PM No.95906500
>>95906447
>No, it just shows the concept of white doesn't exist in real life.
It exists the moment you introduce nonwhites in the equation, the only reason european peasants weren't screaming nigger at each other was because africans were, for all real practical purposes, less common around them than unicorns, and the same is for the empire, there's no significant percentage of southlanders at any level of their society.
Replies: >>95906535
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:49:48 PM No.95906501
>>95906489
I mean ya but that's after the current point in time isn't it? Yin yin being an abject failure is part of her charm.
Replies: >>95906530
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:50:50 PM No.95906509
>>95906468
Both are highly unlikely.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:51:31 PM No.95906516
>>95906466
1: Like I said, the Empire is cosmopolitan. 2: You were confusing whiteness for actual ethnicity. in the context of the HRE, which famously WAS fairly ethnically diverse even if you ignore the fact Germany was very divided.
Replies: >>95906541
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:53:41 PM No.95906530
>>95906501
I thought it happened already but if not, she did something to not have her flag. Also bit weird for a human dragon hybrid sailing with mortals than just flying.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:53:45 PM No.95906532
20250619_124538
20250619_124538
md5: 608aa248b90b93f92a53a6129d9346ee๐Ÿ”
If marauders with flails on foot are insane, I wonder if mounted ones will be even better. I'll have to find some horses for these fellas before I can plan anything, though.
Replies: >>95906538
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:53:53 PM No.95906534
17381722760113562
17381722760113562
md5: 48b34b6ceb0132829337b145deab4cec๐Ÿ”
>>95906447
>the concept of earth orbiting around the sun was not known at the time so it does not exist
Replies: >>95906540 >>95907194
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:54:10 PM No.95906535
>>95906500
>It exists the moment you introduce nonwhites in the equation
So it doesn't exist.

>, the only reason european peasants weren't screaming nigger at each other was because africans were, for all real practical purposes, less common around them than unicorns,
The reason is because they had no reason to scream at people that lived far away when the people in the next town over would suffice Tribalism is real, not denying that. But the form it takes is nearly always arbitrary.

>and the same is for the empire, there's no significant percentage of southlanders at any level of their society.
Marienburg literally has districts for foreigners. Reikland is a hotbed of weirdoes, outcasts, and other folks.
Replies: >>95906553
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:55:01 PM No.95906538
>>95906532
100%. There is a reason they are seeing meta play. However hold your horses for a fortnight, we got a mid edition patch incoming.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:55:10 PM No.95906540
>>95906534
The earth rotating around the sun always existed, whiteness was made up.
Replies: >>95906641
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:55:14 PM No.95906541
>>95906516
1: you keep arguing in circle about how they're cosmopolitan because each province has its own ethnicity, but none of them justifies black imperials
2: I wasn't, you're confusing having multiple ethnicities as having black ethnicities, neither the HRE or the empire have significant amounts of black people.
Replies: >>95906558
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:56:13 PM No.95906548
>>95906468
DoW 2.0 will probably have more DaVinci flying machines.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:56:54 PM No.95906553
>>95906535
>foreigners
not southlanders
>weirdoes, outcasts, and other folks
not southlanders
Replies: >>95906573
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:57:32 PM No.95906558
>>95906541
>1: you keep arguing in circle about how they're cosmopolitan because each province has its own ethnicity, but none of them justifies black imperials
No, they are cosmopolitan because they literally are one of the largest nations in the world and are known to trade with everybody.

>I wasn't,
Anon... Please... Have some dignity.

>you're confusing having multiple ethnicities as having black ethnicities
No? I don't think they have black ethnicities. I do think you, a player, being a black person living in the Empire isn't that implausible.
Replies: >>95906577
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:59:43 PM No.95906571
>>95906480
Won't be a problem at my club, don't worry.
Replies: >>95906604
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:00:12 PM No.95906573
>>95906553
>Marienburg literally has a place called Arabtown.
And before you try to get clever and claim that Arabs aren't from the Southlands, they 100% unquestionably are in Warhammer.

>weirdoes, outcasts, and other folks
The place is generally portrayed as somewhere where, yeah, you can probably encounter a random southlander there.
Replies: >>95906585
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:00:17 PM No.95906576
>>95906402
How do I meet this goth Elspeth Jr.?
Replies: >>95906583
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:00:54 PM No.95906577
>>95906558
>isn't that implausible.
how can it be plausible if they don't live in the empire in any significant number? is it plausible to have an imperial monkeyman from the mountains of heaven because it's a player character?
Replies: >>95906596 >>95907247
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:01:31 PM No.95906581
>>95906468
DoW showing up is pretty unlikely. But, yeah, I could see them being playable.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:02:16 PM No.95906583
99852702002_EoMNecromancerWizardAndFamiliar02
99852702002_EoMNecromancerWizardAndFamiliar02
md5: 4b2f9a437389aca9d04421e3bc20a1d3๐Ÿ”
>>95906576
Just buy her model anon
https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/empire-of-man-necromancer-wizard-and-familiar-2025?queryID=f6e3e723e6cb8e01ada6b2f44edbcec1
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:02:29 PM No.95906585
>>95906573
>Marienburg literally has a place called Arabtown.
which suggests self segregation and not integration into imperial society

>you can probably encounter a random southlander
no, they don't suddenly teleport half the planet to appear in the slums
Replies: >>95906607
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:02:49 PM No.95906591
dex29j7-e6cc7eff-0e32-4349-8a87-d8485a6cf29c
dex29j7-e6cc7eff-0e32-4349-8a87-d8485a6cf29c
md5: 0f0c65b85b3d4750d988c64e5f9da87b๐Ÿ”
post yfw you stomp Cathay
Replies: >>95906602 >>95906612 >>95906663 >>95906678
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:03:28 PM No.95906596
>>95906577
>how can it be plausible if they don't live in the empire in any significant number?
Because they are there and we know that.

> is it plausible to have an imperial monkeyman from the mountains of heaven because it's a player character?
I mean, I can't speak for every GW but if you can come up with a good enough excuse I would be fine with that. Could be kind of funny even to roleplay as some Cathayan tourist visiting the Empire. Especially considering Amsterdam has plenty of Chinese tourists.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:04:07 PM No.95906602
images
images
md5: 43766d4f9aa086f99d486fd71285e3e1๐Ÿ”
>>95906591
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:04:11 PM No.95906604
>>95906571
Considering your purposefully buying the op army because you got spanked by one dude chances are you're the faggot of the club. It will catch up. Until then, well let us know when your unpainted Cathay army goes live on marketplace.
Replies: >>95906683
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:04:33 PM No.95906607
>>95906585
>which suggests self segregation and not integration into imperial society
It suggests they are around. The extent to which they are integrated is secondary.
Replies: >>95906645
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:05:26 PM No.95906612
slann twin hurricanes
slann twin hurricanes
md5: c5a7b567d4d079f190981b2d9890d5be๐Ÿ”
>>95906591
Replies: >>95906673
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:08:04 PM No.95906627
>>95906238
>The REAL Kislev shitstorm will come if they resemble TW3 Kislev instead of their old selves.
I think the average kislev army would look a lot like old kislev. The ice weapons and bears in total war kislev are all on elite units that a tabletop army wouldn't have more than a few units of. As long as the ice dragon and the forest spirit creatures never make it to the tabletop I think they'll overall be fine
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:10:07 PM No.95906641
1722960608839228
1722960608839228
md5: e6555506fbc1338b833e96768626b50b๐Ÿ”
>>95906540
Whiteness already existed, most whites were just unaware of it (like about the sun and earth).
Replies: >>95906651
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:10:33 PM No.95906645
>>95906607
>The extent to which they are integrated is secondary.
Not only it's not secondary, it's the entire point of the discussion, because nobody is talking about an arab in arab clothes appearing as a random merchant in the streets, but imperial state troopers and other soldiers that the artists have decided to make black for some misguided attempt at inclusivity.
Replies: >>95906664
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:11:08 PM No.95906651
>>95906641
It never existed. It was pushed merely to cause harm.
Replies: >>95906691
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:12:04 PM No.95906663
pw627uvd6jn31
pw627uvd6jn31
md5: fb652c5125063130e1ed422d0aa71a12๐Ÿ”
>>95906591
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:12:16 PM No.95906664
>>95906645
>Live in Arab town.
>Decide to sign up to the Imperial Army rather than become an merchant like your dad.
There.
Replies: >>95906745
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:13:38 PM No.95906673
>>95906612
I hope you're around to take the piss out of all the new Cathay players once they start posting lizardnon
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:14:20 PM No.95906678
PS1_37.705_Fnt_DD_T08
PS1_37.705_Fnt_DD_T08
md5: a03f250c9cffe6fb30b9bcb1dcf28998๐Ÿ”
>>95906591
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:15:12 PM No.95906683
>>95906604
No idea who you are talking about. Im actually the guy that teaches new people old world in my club and most people approach me first when they want to play a game. I also try to match my list with my opponents to not make games one-sided.
Replies: >>95906765
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:15:58 PM No.95906691
>>95906651
Created by who ? To harm who ?
Replies: >>95906711 >>95906859 >>95907203
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:16:43 PM No.95906704
1710847823165084_thumb.jpg
1710847823165084_thumb.jpg
md5: 4a051c96e00fc4cf64b72b5c21a2b61c๐Ÿ”
>>95906238
>The REAL Kislev shitstorm will come if they resemble TW3 Kislev instead of their old selves.

>bear cavalry instead of winged lancers
>giant ice bear instead of ungol horse archers
>ice guard instead of kossars
>bear chariot with cannon without even an alternative build of the kit to make it a normal war wagon pulled by horses
Replies: >>95907178
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:17:17 PM No.95906711
>>95906691
Evil people.

Anybody they wish to harm.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:23:39 PM No.95906745
>>95906664
>There.
not so easy, the state doesn't have to hire you and it's going to be reasonably discriminatory towards outsiders when it comes to the defence of its own territories, especially with a history of arab wars, which spawned some of the most well known knightly orders of the empire.
Replies: >>95906889
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:26:58 PM No.95906765
>>95906683
>warhammer is competitve!
>I'm the guy who teaches people also my meta is full of sweats?!?
>Cathay needs to be OP!
>but I swear I'm not WAAC!
Anon it's time to take a good look in the mirror and figure out how to be less gay on the tabletop.
Replies: >>95906816 >>95906925
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:31:07 PM No.95906790
>Ostlanders and Ostermarkers are canonically ethnically distinct, having mixed with the Ungols after they fled Kislev in the wake of the Gospodars, so that many, particularly Ostermarkers have epicanthic folds.
>In WFRP 3e there's even rules for it and it's called 'eyes of the east'
>Which actually seems kind of racist, but I guess since nobody played 3e, nobody got upset
>there's barely any depictions of it. There's one pic of a mongol-looking guy in the Dogs of War book with an obviously imperial pistol.
>there's a really shitty ostlander halberdier in the WFRP 4e book
>but never mind the actual in-universe ethnic differences, we need black people everywhere

I'd like to see some more interesting depictions of Strigany and Borderers too. But nobody actually cares.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:34:29 PM No.95906812
>>95905417
Too many blacks on the art to suggest it's a faithful product. Pass.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:35:36 PM No.95906816
>>95906765
I never said warhammer is competitive.
I also never play on tournaments.
No idea what you are hallucinating.
You should take your meds.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:38:47 PM No.95906843
>>95906293
>With racism between provinces being about as common
I'm racist to "people" from the wrong side of a 200m high horst. Doesn't mean we don't belong to the same ethnicity.
Replies: >>95906898
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:40:56 PM No.95906859
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>>95906691
Yakub.
The Shabazzenes who rejected him as a child.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:42:10 PM No.95906871
So why aren't half the cathay models black?
china is a very diverse place you know
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:43:12 PM No.95906878
>>95906871
What's stopping you from painting them black?
Replies: >>95906883 >>95906903
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:43:38 PM No.95906883
>>95906878
but that would just look silly
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:44:19 PM No.95906889
>>95906745
It's a civil war. People don't have room to be picky.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:45:19 PM No.95906898
>>95906843
It probably literally does if you live in Europe.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:46:02 PM No.95906903
>>95906878
It's more of a question of why there are no black skinned models in the official paint schemes by GW
Replies: >>95906930 >>95906933
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:50:10 PM No.95906925
>>95906765
Actually I joined your chat here >>95906302 despite you replying to another.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:50:45 PM No.95906930
>>95906903
They realize the recent attempts at this were received poorly. See AoS City of Sigmar and Slaves To Darkness characters. Some Sisters models too in 40k

Could also be their Chinese marketer is telling them to also avoid this.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:51:05 PM No.95906933
>>95906903
Are there for other factions in TOW?
Replies: >>95906944
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:52:37 PM No.95906938
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>>95906871
they thought about that
>Dan: Painting a predominantly East Asian skin tone across Grand Cathay was a new challenge for us. Itโ€™s easy to assume there is one correct recipe or paint scheme to go with, but thatโ€™s not faithful to the wide variety of skin tones in reality. At the same time, itโ€™s a range so we have to make it all feel relatively consistent and uniform โ€“ with exceptions for the Ogres, who are likely mercenaries and thus can be from outside the kingdom of Grand Cathay.
>We primarily focused on a small selection of paints to give ourselves a strong foundation for the skin tones โ€“ around five or so tones โ€“ and the way we established variety was by starting at different points on that scale for lighter or darker skin. Shading up and glazing down appropriately, but working largely within a tight run of paints. There is some organic variation outside of that as well.
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:53:43 PM No.95906944
>>95906933
They have done some Empire miniatures with Darker Skin and for the Full Tilt Battle Report one of the model had darker skin
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:54:48 PM No.95906951
>>95906938
more importantly, I just noticed this
>the cannon itself can have the Dragon head left off if you want, so it can look a little bit more โ€œhistoricalโ€.
which is probably going to help for conversions for chaos dwarfs and bretonnian bombards
Replies: >>95906955 >>95906985
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:55:41 PM No.95906955
>>95906951
My friend and I disagree, but I think the cannon looks better without the dragon and the rockets should have the dragon head and he believes the opposite.
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:59:14 PM No.95906975
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>>95906938
Replies: >>95906990 >>95907025
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:00:26 PM No.95906985
>>95906955
>>95906951
Are there photos of the cannon without the dragon head?
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:00:57 PM No.95906990
>>95906975
Bottom right dude looks cool.
Replies: >>95907006
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:02:38 PM No.95907002
>>95905175
Those cloaks need some Autumn Oak Leaf camo
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:03:00 PM No.95907006
>>95906985
No, you have to use your imagination.

>>95906990
That's the chad smoker rocket loader. I am glad stuff like Tobacco pipes are still modeled and not considered taboo.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:07:15 PM No.95907025
>>95906975
Top left and right look like they're having a ball
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:14:46 PM No.95907071
>>95906938
>itโ€™s a range so we have to make it all feel relatively consistent and uniform
Wait why do they have to do this for Cathay but not for the Old World
Replies: >>95907078 >>95907277
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:16:04 PM No.95907078
>>95907071
>Wait why do they have to do this for Cathay but not for the Old World
Ignoring the RPG, look at GW's webstore at the entire Bret and Empire ranges. It's all Euro skin tones too. They aren't doing an age of sigmar half the people are black Californian demographics thing in Old World.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:20:28 PM No.95907116
>>95907111
>>95907111
>>95907111
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:22:15 PM No.95907129
>>95906286
>>Oh noes the new army will
stomp my army
This also is your brain on WAAC.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:24:18 PM No.95907145
>>95905942
You know tomb kings and dwarves also get detachment right? It was never an empire unique thing
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:25:24 PM No.95907153
>>95905971
>>95905994

Aren't knights errant explicitly not nobles yet? And that's what makes them a knight errant?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:27:59 PM No.95907167
>>95906064
Do they get shieldwall backed into them? If not I feel like they're only slightly better than dwarf warrior thanks to having ws5 instead of ws4
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:29:42 PM No.95907178
>>95906704
>bear cavalry instead of winged lancers
>giant ice bear instead of ungol horse archers
>ice guard instead of kossars

But winged cav, horse archers, and kossars are in TWW3?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:31:39 PM No.95907194
>>95906534
>a social construct is the same as a physical reality
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:32:40 PM No.95907203
>>95906691
Those in power to convince those without power that other people without power are actually the reason things are going to shit.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:38:42 PM No.95907247
>>95906577
>how can it be plausible if they don't live in the empire in any significant number?

Because a group of people don't have to live in area in significant numbers for you to encounter them in a high population area? Even if the population white/non-white is 99.9%/0.1%, in Marianburg or riekland that means there's still like a hundred or so.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:42:59 PM No.95907277
>>95907071
Anon empire models having a variety of skin tones is exactly what people are complaining about