>the players get to kill the tyrant and his family for all the crimes they committed against the peasantry

>>95902326 (OP)
> Then the lich sends in the hordes of skeletons and zombies

>>95902326 (OP)
>sins of the father

>>95902326 (OP)
>they continue killing people down the leadership hierarchy until the manager at target gets the guillotine

>>95902326 (OP)
>>95902372
>the players overthrow the tyrant lichlord and his immortal family of undead relations after forcing the living to slave away for the dead for centuries

>>95902326 (OP)
They then (GASP!) find out that they are now the Tyrants and some brave adventurers try to overthrow them! What a surprising twist of fate!

>>95902326 (OP)
The cake is a lie!

>>95902572
nits make lice

>>95902326 (OP)
But the king didn't commit any crime against the peasantry? All the abuse was perfectly legal and what he was convicted for was conspiring against the State with foreign enemies.

>>95902326 (OP)

Based.

>>95903767

>>95902326 (OP)
>and his family

>>95904320
In their defense - Marie Antoinette hadn't beheld a village she didn't plan to blow up, if period conspiracy rumors are to be believed.

>>95902326 (OP)
Then the party will get beheaded once less important revolution leaders take over after infighting

>>95904320
The cobbler was a royalist. He tried to awaken the Dauphin's Harry Potter powers so that he could zap zap the Jacobites.

>>95904330
>period conspiracy rumors
It's almost a shame those people didn't have twitter.

>>95904364
They documented that stuff in print or writing. Books have been written about it. Some of the better ones I recall from some recent reading are
>the Revolution was a British plot and payback for the American Revolution
>Marie Antoinette set up the bomb under YOUR village.
>The Duke of Orleans did everything, and he did it because Marie Antoinette wouldn't give him the time of the day

>>95904413
Oh I'm sure it was documented. I meant it's a shame we don't have even more contemporary sources, especially those from the average person.

>>95902372
>At least gay marriage is now legal

>>95902326 (OP)
>The players get to kill the peasantry for all the crimes they committed against the tyrant and his family

>>95904348
The peasantry should had thought about doing that before the party acquired the ability to wipe them out in a dozen combat rounds.

>>95903947
A successful rebellion means the king has lost the mandate of heaven. His death is nothing compared to the disappointment that awaits him in the afterlife.

>>95904638
>The peasants flee beyond the kingdom's borders
>King orders armies to protect his subjects from foreign rule
>Armies march to where peasants settled and expand the kingdom to include those lands
Just as planned

>>95902326 (OP)
Not gonna lie, I've always wanted to crush a peasant revolt and put the nobles back in power. Just a long, glorious month of bringing the serfs to heel, and showing them who their betters are.

>>95902326 (OP)
>the tyrant is jewish
yeah I like this game so far.

I prefer
>The capitalists are trying to reform the kingdom to expand the economy and exploit the country's resources but the nobility wants to maintain serfdom and traditional power structures

>>95902326 (OP)
Guess it's our turn to commit crimes against the peasantry.

>>95904486
I think about that one every single day and whether the girl pushing for gay marriage learned her lesson

>>95904320
Yes. Monarchs and Dynasty families are equally responsible for the actions of their predecessors and are a threat to the existence of peace. If they truly cared about the people and nation, they would gladly die.

>>95904320
The fucked up but true thing about realpolitik in regards to bloodline stuff, is that fi you don't get rid of all blood relations, one of them will be used as a rallying point for regime loyalists that without a family member to rally around would fracture into numerous discontented but ununified groups.

>>95910431
You think about gay marriage every single day?

>>95910577
Yeah I'm aware of the necessity of it from a realpolitik standpoint, it's just hard to stomach the idea that stabbing/shooting a bunch of women and children in the monarch's extended family is somehow a virtuious act for the people.

>>95910577
The Habsburgs are still around, so are the Bourbons. Heck, the daughter of Louis XVI actually survived the Revolution.
Neither the chop-chop of Louis XIV and Marie Antoinette or the extinction of the Romanovs ended the civil war in the country they used to rule, btw. There is never an excuse for semi-legal murder.

>>95911690
Don't forget that even the CC fucking P were able to use the last Chinese Emperor as a propaganda piece about how effective their regime was by guilting him into becoming a party member on account of his complicity in the Japanese Occupation.
The man survived the fucking Great Leap Forward purges until cancer got him.

>>95904638
Holy shit, it's the CHAOS DWARFS

>The players kill the tyrant and his court
>During the triumphant speech, god-beams descend from the heavens, incinerating the peasants, and the tyrant is reborn in radiant light
>Oops, turns out he really DID have mandate of heaven, and heaven wasn't ready for him to die yet
>Players hear one last triumphant tyrannical laugh as they are teleported away from the capital by the Gods to go be disruptive somewhere else

>>95902326 (OP)
>And then spend decades watching their children die like pigs in the tens of thousands for an Emperor, having availed themselves nothing but death, and then the Monarchy takes over again and tortures all revolutionaries to death

Squeal for your God, pigs! Squeal, and beg, and weep, and die, for nothing!

>>95911641
>Monarch and his family use violence against the people
>Monarch and family never had to work a day in their life or walk a mile in the shoes of the common man.
>Sent hundreds of peasants and children to be orphaned and die in war for them and get to sit comfortably while doing it.
"We didn't do anything wrong."

Nah. fuck you and them faggot. You and them can both catch bullets.

>>95918568
And yet you won't kill yourself even as your tax dollars go toward blowing poverty stricken brown people in the ass end of the world.

Your childish view of morality somehow conveniently always excludes yourself even though you too are in a position of wealth and privelege over the vast majority of the world's population. Introspection and leftism don't mix well however.

>>95911641
While a case can probably be made for his children- as they had little say in the way he governed, Nicholas the II deserved what was coming to him.
>Maintains a feudal order where human beings are kept in appalling working conditions, many dying from famine and starvation
>Violently represses trade unions, workers rights orgs, and enacts/passes policies of racial/religious persecution leading to pogroms and violent actions against peasantry
>Lead his country into a horrific war killing thousands- and not even serving on the battlefield with his country men.
If the Bolsheviks weren't going to get Nicky, the Mensheviks, Left SRs, Anarchists or hell even the Green Armies or other progressive factions would have gotten him and/or permanently exiled him and his family.

>>95903947
>All the abuse was perfectly legal
If Jeffery Epstein or any of his associates were running a monarchy and making laws where abuse would be legal, you're telling me you'd be a-okay with it?

>>95918620
Bro is having a meltdown, lmao.

>>95918627
The Sword of Damocles is the best justification. Any system of government that is ruled by a Monarch or Heritage or direct pass (selecting next leadership in an unopen to the public) system has all members of family impacted for success and failure. If they fail and are deposed, the termination of the family is included because it is inherited system of governance.

In a Democratic system or one based on election, the elected leader and their selected leadership members are the only ones answerable to the Sword of Damocles and the family is left alone because the people elevated them to the seat by consent.

Monarchcucks and general authoritarian cucks don't understand this basic (and true) logic. If a monarch doesn't wish for their family to be killed by the people when he fucks up, he should immediately leave power and live as a normal person with them. Yet, he doesn't and got what was coming.

>>95918568
>use violence
The politik word "violence" is one of the nastiest subversive things around. They "use violence", like taxes and a legal system, which excuses our violence, child murder.

>>95918620
>Your childish view of morality somehow conveniently always excludes yourself even though you too are in a position of wealth and privelege over the vast majority of the world's population. Introspection and leftism don't mix well however.
Oh fuck off with your pseud-bullshit.

Firstly- Most of the "world's wealth" of the first world, is done with the exploitation and neo-colonialism of the third/fourth. Anyone who's picked up a history book would tell you that. Any leftist, be it Marxist or Libertarian-Communist would tell you that these countries deserve better and their first world countries ought to stop exploiting them. Hell, there have been cases where revolutionaries who come from more privileged backgrounds have waged war on the imperialists their fellow revolutionaries are fighting.
Prime example is Fidel Castro sending military support and troops to fight apartheid south Africa while transforming Cuba into a socialist country.
That's not even getting into other examples of Anarchists/Socialists joining International Brigades in Spain, Yugoslavia, France, Italy, and Rojava to fight fascists.

If fantasy settings were to be based off of any IRL movement, it's not uncommon for more privileged progressives to aid their fellow man and overthrow monarchist/fascist regimes of power.

>introspection and leftism don't work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_and_self-criticism_(Marxism%E2%80%93Leninism)

Now comes the part where you start quoting Tolkien about how "evil can't create" bullshit. Go defend Emperors who conduct imperialist wars and genocide in /pol/.

>>95918652
Honestly, that's a pretty interesting argument anon.
How would you integrate that into your games setting? And what would a more progressive faction look like in a fantasy setting?

Fuck rebels. They're all faggoty terrorists. Robespierre was a nigger who got what he deserved.

>>95918669
>its not uncommon
>happens so few times it can be counted on someone's hands
Hm.

>>95902326 (OP)
Slaughtering the revolting peasants is a faster and easier route to power. Only an idiot wouldn't back the crown.

>>95918669
>Anyone who's picked up a history book would tell you that. Any leftist, be it Marxist or Libertarian-Communist would tell you that these countries deserve better and their first world countries ought to stop exploiting them.
Doing so hasn't always worked out, see what happened in Mali when the French decided to honor the wishes of their government and withdrew, followed shortly after by the country re-erupting into civil war between warlords and jihadists.

>>95918742
Eh, as more of a capitalist myself the crown often acts as an impediment. See Russia and their fundamental failure to liberalize their economy leading to their steady decline. Russia's own charter companies couldn't even make a decent profit because most of their population was serfs and thus ineligible to leave their lands to work for the company.

>>95918682
My game setting has a neo-Imperialist Democracy so it already exist in a way.

>>95918742
Cuck mentality

>>95911690
>>95916834
Real life? Yeah you could probably keep the guy around as a zoo exhibit, let the citizens throw tomatoes at him now and then

Tabletop game with fantasy? Nah man he's gonna make some heinous deals with devils and make a headache for the rest of us

>>95918709
>so few many times
By few, you mean a lot and frequently and often using said education and privilege to aid others
>Fidel Castro
>Che Guevara
>Mao Zedong
>Franz Fanon
>Peter Kropotkin
>Friedrich Engels
>Subcomandante Marcos
>Vladimir Lenin
>Ho Chi Minh
>Antonio Gramsci
>Amadeo Bordiga
>Thomas Sankara
>Errico Malatesta
>Kim Chwajin
>Vilma Espin
>Nadezhda Krupskaya
>Jean-Paul Satre
>Libertas Schulze-Boysen
>Ana Maria
All of these people have wikipedia pages and are noted historical figures.
All of these people come from privileged backgrounds and used it to help fight fascists, imperialists and other tyrants.
You are a pseud.

>>95918669
Didn't Trump call for government officials to engage in Criticism and Self-Criticism just recently? In any case, it's basically a torture method.

>>95918810

>>95918810
Fidel, Mao, Lenin, and Ho Chi are literal imperialists and tyrants, though. What the fuck are you talking about? Mao especially, he fucking talked about People's Dictatorship and was making what amounts to Chinese authoritarianism with communist/fascist ideals.

>>95918749
Only for it to be put into control in the hands of a new de-colonial government which has since then stabilized the region, and increased their wealth and is better at combatting ISIS than the French while undoing decades of colonialism, and becomign self sufficient lol.

>>95918839
>Fidel, Mao, Lenin, and Ho Chi are literal imperialists and tyrants
Way to oust yourself, lad.

>>95918834
Was later stopped by Vietnamese communists, lol

>>95918854
>Way to oust yourself, lad.
Mao literally fucking invaded and annexed Tibet. You dumb fucker.

>>95918848
They control less than half of their own country still.

>>95918627
>Maintains a feudal order where human beings are kept in appalling working conditions, many dying from famine and starvation
The Bolsheviks did this to the same degree he did.
>Violently represses trade unions, workers rights orgs, and enacts/passes policies of racial/religious persecution leading to pogroms and violent actions against peasantry
Ditto, and can be applied to every relevant nation in the world at the time.
>Lead his country into a horrific war killing thousands- and not even serving on the battlefield with his country men.
Ditto, and can be applied to every relevant nation in the world at the time.

>>95918901
Don't bother. Any hatred for Monarchs or the Tzars is fantasizing from losers who are upset that they are totally and utterly cucked by their governments and can't hold even the lowliest bureaucrat accountable for the slightest thing.
They yearn for any kind of agency, but since they're too pathetic to have any, they'd prefer to get invested in a murder of children that happened a century ago and half a planet away.

>>95918942
Eh, from a capitalist perspective the biggest problem with the Tzars is that they just...didn't properly liberalize their economy. Russia went from a poor feudal shithole to a poor communist shithole and by the time they were finally free of communism they had grown so used to it they didn't really know how to properly liberalize their economy and just ended up under a new extraction economy.

>>95910595
Sounds pretty gay

>>95918620
Retard

>>95918669
You left out the part where in return for their service, the anarchists got executed by the communists for attempting to exercise their economic freedom. An authoritarian is an authoritarian whether he comes from the muck or is cast in silver.

>>95902326 (OP)
based

>>95918568
Ah yes, the monarch's eight year old daughter definitely had literally anything to do with state oppression. The way so many of you retards use """justice""" as a thin excuse to sate bloodlust is just ghoulish. This is why communists are categorically evil.

>>95902326 (OP)
Did this actually happen in your game?

>>95918652
Are you fucking retarded? Following this same line of thought we could say every time a democratic leader commits a crime, kills people, rob them and fuck kids in a lone island is the fault of the WHOLE population because they directly elected him. You have a quasi-religious thinking that's contradictory with your own ideas, like a teenager who only consumes propaganda.

>>95918652
The success and failure of a monarch isn't defined by the well-being of the common people but by the benefit of the select few privileged individuals that make up the king's power.

>>95918810
Posts a list that includes the some of the worst people of the 20th century. Somehow makes it about how they aided others.

If this isn't bait anon I'm genuinely worried for you.

>>95918848
Mali is currently a clusterfuck since the EU expeditionary forces left.

When the Ruskies pull out because they can't see an end to it you know it's bad. Those fuckers love fighting a losing war.

>>95921460
Half of the country has no roads, there's an established resistance force in the Sahara and all their money is in France.

How could liberty not prevail?

>>95921176
>Following this same line of thought we could say every time a democratic leader commits a crime, kills people, rob them and fuck kids in a lone island is the fault of the WHOLE population because they directly elected him.
You might be a retard if you can't tell the difference between destroying a nation through your actions/losing a war and a crime.

>>95921435
He got real silent after an Anon posted how Mao was an imperialist and tyrant with the invasion of Tibet.

>>95921176
>Premise is about the failure of leadership leading to a collapse or severe hurt to the state and people.
>Sword of Damocles is an old story where the person in charge has a sword hanging around their neck that can fall on them at any time for any reason if things don't go well.
>Anon extended Damocles to family members in inherited and non-democratic systems because they are all extensions of the rulers and successors for the throne.
>Anon claims Damocles in Democratic systems doesn't extend beyond the single elected leader because he was given the seat by electoral consent and family thus isn't part of an inherited system and can't be punished for failure.
>Your entire response ignores the core of the statement and talks about committing random crimes.
>Principal of democracy is also people elect the best leader for themselves and if the leader is a failure, the people also failed and are partly to blame for picking the wrong one to lead and have to try again.

Whew.

>>95918669
>>95918810
Holy shit I never thought I'd see some retard so hopped up on propaganda that he completely sincerely tries to paint mass murdering commies as righteous.

>>95921667
Not all of them on the list are mass murderers. Honestly some of them did do good for their nations for a time, like Mao.

I had to study communist China. China in the beginning was a shithole and the communist basically didn't really change things, they actually let factory owners/city leaders keep their jobs to run things and had them teach their party members how to do the jobs or just outright recruited them to the party.

Shit was actually working too, they were getting bridges built, new forms of education coming to the countryside, broke landowners unofficial powers, created a temporary and working farm system, etc until Mao wanted to copy Stalin and had heavy belief in heavy industry. Then you got the Great Leap Forward.

After that, he realized it was a fuck up and backtracked. It was also at this time, he started getting pissed because the Communist Party basically became the state they fought against (and for all Mao's shit, he was someone that actually believed in communism and I respect him for it, even if don't like it) and started the Cultural Revolution to try and get the party back on track and destroy the past. But that led to a fuck-up between moderates, brown-nosers of Mao, and true believers that thought things weren't going far enough.

Shit was fucked for China overall, but the communist won because the people were ultimately sick of warlords/Chang and communists did offer them a better system and education. Also the commies literally went out of their way to murder crime gangs in the city and suppress them, which won them huge adoration by the urban dwellers.

>>95921562
The coup that removed the Czar in Russia was a democratic government, imbecile. A president was elected by vote, and the communists lost. They didn't take it well and proceeded to intimidate the government and the democratically elected leader immediately fled the country like a coward leading to one of the most brutal dictatorships in history. Again following your retarded religious "sins of the father" thinking everyone deserved to die. Dumb teenager pretending to be smart.
>>95921632
You're even dumber than the teenager.

>>95921786
>Honestly some of them did do good for their nations for a time, like Mao.
Oh please, this is the same sort of crap that nazis wheel out every time they want to soften Hitler's image. Mao murdered and tortured China fuck off.

>monarchcuck is having a melty.

>>95921877
>Mao murdered and tortured China fuck off.
Did I say he didn't do evil things? But if you reread my post, the Chinese people ultimately sided with him because they viewed the communists as the lesser evil and the party did make inroads to better the nation.

>>95921792
Your reading comprehension skills are fucked.

>>95921926
You're the one who can't read. The teen here was smelling his own farts. Which you can tell by his effeminate passive-agresiveness and calling everyone he dislikes names. Suit yourself if you want to smell his rancid farts.

>>95922031
>Which you can tell by his effeminate passive-agresiveness and calling everyone he dislikes names.
Anon if I follow the chain post (Here: >>95918652) he said monarchists and authoritarians are cucks. After that you called him (specifically) a retard. >>95921176

Did he offend you by calling you a cuck?

>>95922079
>Communist bootlicker calling anyone else a cuck
Holy fuck you people are dumb.

>Monarchists and commies are once again fighting over which of their dead ideologies is better

>>95902326 (OP)
Dangerously based, but only if they install a new constitution with perfect legal protections for free expression that strictly limit what the new government can do with clear, well-defined wording to make the government good for nothing except being subservient to the will of the people.

>>95923262
>Didn't answer the question
>Assumes everyone is a communist
You are off the deep end

>>95902326 (OP)
bumpfag thread?

>>95902326 (OP)
>and his family
Louis XVII died in captivity, likely due to some disease. Their daughter, whose name I forgot, was eventually extradited to Austria. This isn't some communist "revolution" nonsense.
>but muh marie-antoinette
Madam Veto had it coming.

Also let's not forget the real kicker: the French monarchy was given THREE chances to unfuck themselves after the revolution. Four if you start at 1789 rather than 1793. Most dynasties don't get that many chances.

Bourbons were a mistake. I hate the Ancien Régime with every fiber of my being.

>>95924643
>Madam Veto had it coming.
Not saying she wasn't counter-revolutionary, but she got the shit they gave her because they knew that they couldn't attack the actual executive power if they planned to ever get a foot in the door.
Her only fault was that she tried to do things to maintain the royal power that the Revolution was blowing up like the Bastille while her husband lived with his head up his arse and only lightly complained when somebody was literally spitting in his face and threatening to cut off his nose.