>I'm quitting making Warhammer content due to increased copyright.
>B-But I can't show you any examples, just trust me guys.
Have there been any cases where Games Workshop's recent copyright changes directly impacted content creators? It seems most of the time it's people choosing to step away voluntarily, rather than any actual legal action being taken.

>>95903692 (OP)
>"We're reserving the right to destroy your livlihood, with impunity, at any time as soon as it's convenient to us."
>People start making content about other shit instead
>"NOOOO! Where are you going??? I haven't even forced you to take down your content yet!"
You may as well ask why you'd stay in the same room with someone who's trying to convince you that they have the right to shoot you in the head, if they feel like it.
Yeah, people go somewhere else. You fucking doofus. Content creators do it as a job, they want to make money, and Games Workshop massively threatened their ability to do that. Nobody wants that kind of instability.
The company is just ran like complete shit.

Fpbp
OP = faggot

Warhammer = ruined corpo slop that's past it's sell by date.

>>95903820
but warhammer grew since? Meanwhole kiketubers that stopped are irrelevant as fuck. I don't even know what they were expecting

>>95903850
>Muh growth
Are you a Cancer cell or an (((investor)))?

Fuck your "growth", negerfokker.

>>95903858
no this is cope. Whats even your point? Hur durr they should have just stayed poor? It's their property and they have a right to defend it and all they did was RESERVE it. They kiketuber overreacted and got nothing out of it.

Name cases GW actually enacted that right.
I bet you can't. It's just regular buisness slop in case someone creates buisness damaging content so they can take it down. You don't see them sueing flash gitz for making warhammer inspired animations do you? It's just cope. Kiketubers shot themselves in the foot over nothing and are paying the price now

>inb4 gw apologist
I literally haven't paid for any of their shit in over a decade. I pirate all their games and 3d print all their minis. I'm just actually fucking mad at how retarded those faggots and people who don't get it are

>>95903692 (OP)
>I'm quitting making Warhammer content due to increased copyright
>But I can't show you any examples
GW has issued lawsuits against people using the term Warhammer (including BattleTech mechs) recently:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdSwUxQ37Bk

And people selling 3d prints that could be used as alternatives to GW products in a 'broad sweep' approach:
https://x.com/spaceshark23/status/1920630582150574579

You'd be surprised what's happening if you pay attention, faggot.

>>95903868
Lmao.
You dont play warhammer, and you never did.

"Growth", fucking lmao.

Bet you talk about "The community" like that's a thing.

Spreadsheet waving sped.

>>95903893
yeah growth

you can cope all you want but it's a buisness and we are talking about community in this thread in the first place you adhd retard. Kiketubers are part of it. Anyway what GW is doing is working. It's retards like you funding it in the first place. I get all my shit for free. Thanks fo paying my copies you dumb faggot kek

>>95903868
Didnt they just try to sue someone selling warhammer minis on etsy?
Specifically warhammer class battlemechs?

>>95903954
>warhammer minis on etsy
oh noooo this guy trying to profit by selling 3d printed warhammer minis got sued!?!?!?!

>>95903692 (OP)
>I can't show you any examples
his past three videos about it have been nothing but examples

>>95903962
Given that the ip is owned by catalyst game labs yes, its a bit of an overreach

>>95903969
Should have called it Battletech: World of Warcraft instead.

>>95903973
>"oh you pilot an atlas class mech? Thats cool. Im driving a world of warcraft: mists of pandaria"

>>95903962
>GW dicksucker too retarded to read
many such cases

>>95904011
oh the irony of this post

>>95903903
Havent bought a gw product in fifteen years, and the only thing Ive given them is the litter I threw over their fence last time I was in Nottingham.

Which was an empty fanta bottle wot I had pissed in.

Warhammer is terminal as an ip; it will go the way of Star Queers, they will over invest in fag slop content, and hand it all off to be managed by a retarded dyke.

That is your future.

Go indie or die.

Your move faglord.

>>95903954
> Didnt they just try to sue someone selling warhammer minis on etsy?
I don’t get it, were they 3D prints recreations or third party imitations of GW models? Sounds like copyright infringement to me?

>>95904080
>t.troon crusader

>>95903692 (OP)
tts was the biggest cancer of 40k and im glad its dead

Lol no.
>Stargrave
>Frostgrave
>Oathmark
>Bolt Action
>Quar

Trench trannies literally think the forces of hell are the "good guys" while they appropriate Christian imagery.

Never gave it a second glance.

>>95904083
NTA, I'm sure some of the sellers were imitations of 40k, but in this case it was mostly people selling warhammer mechs, which are from battletech

>>95904083
> I don’t get it, were they 3D prints recreations or third party imitations of GW models?

>>95903954
>Specifically warhammer class battlemechs?

Assuming anon isn't lying to us (lmao) the actual court case (if it went to court) would be for trademark infringement - when you see "Warhammer™" that means that GW "marks" all products that they "trade" with the trademark "Warhammer™" which, legally, they are the only company that's allowed to do so. This serves two purposes - you, as a consumer, know your models are made to the quality that you expect from GW, and GW in turn controls the quality you associate with the word "warhammer" because they control the production.

If somebody not-GW trades a not-GW product marked in such a fashion that it might confuse a consumer into thinking it's a GW product, that infringes on GW's right to be the only people using GW's trademarks.

>OK but the seller clearly did not say
yes I know. I know. But trademark law is retarded and if companies don't get legal when it looks like something COULD infringe on their trademarks, they might lose them.

(Catalyst might have copyright case if they were copies of battlemech designs)

>>95904145

Nevermind I'm a retard. If they were selling something unrelated that just happened to have the name warhammer because it's a warhammer (including a model named "warhammer" in a different game) then GW are way out of line.

>>95904080
>just buy a bunch of stuff for a game no one ever plays bro

>totally better than just buying the game you actually want with your adult money

brokies and their cope-ys are hilarious. litterers should be used for live weapons testing btw.

>>95903692 (OP)
>he has lied about this specific thing in the past
>even the thumbnail is a lie

>>95903692 (OP)
>you guise I'm going to stop making slop for addled tertiaries

Most miniature wargaming content on Youtube is brainrot. Even the talented feel forced to make "engaging content" chasing clicks. Clicks from as many midwits as possible.

I much prefer smaller channels where the main focus is still their own hobby and they haven't sold their soul to become a ZZZ tier celebrity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ8M3wCY9Lg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re31lDtXago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROOSfepjIVQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX7zDuckaO8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm5ODP8SDvU

>>95904083
>>95904183
Yeah thats the idea
GW has used florida's shitass court system to blanket-sue etsy sellers using the word warhammer. Its extremely scummy because they can sieze assets just for issueing the lawsuit and you automatically forfiet the case if you dont personally travel to florida to contest it. And yes they're suing people on other continents using this court

>>95904122
>Trench trannies literally think the forces of hell are the "good guys" while they appropriate Christian imagery.
>angels and devils are using each other as bogeymen to keep their own men in line and easily tyrannized and exploited
>wokeoids and magats are doing the exact same
I'm Jack's complete lack of surprise.

>>95903692 (OP)
Yeah, they had been going after some parody fan animations, this video contains some actual recent examples of that.

https://youtu.be/dSRrR7UFEB4?si=at-K_BJDTtXOovqF

This is in addition to them suing the guy who was selling Battletech fan merch that contained the name "Warhammer" (the mech) that other people have pointed out. But I know we're all faggots here and we need to side with the big corpo, let's change from "there are no examples" to "well they deserved it!"

>>95904368
>etsy

>>95903886
Baaad idea to try that with CGL. They just hung Harmony Gold's scalp from their belt after decades of lawfare and FASA's use of Warhammer predates GW being anything but a seller of low quality pirated Elric sculpts.

>>95903886
Good. Total proontoid death.

>>95903692 (OP)
Doesn't matter, the fewer people funneling potential customers towards GW the better.

>NOOO MY BATTLETECH IS GETTING SUED FOR COPYING WARHAMMER!!!!

Typical jap crap copying superior western properties and then slapping stupid giant robots on them. Hope battleshit goes down for good this time, you were really annoying

>>95904799
Is this bait or are you really that stupid?

>>95904836
If either is in question, best not to even reply. Retards get sexual pleasure from being told they're wrong.

>>95904836
>battletech copied 40k
If you need to be told this is bait you deserved to fall for it

>>95904201
>if you won't give your money to a company that hates you to play a worse version of a game you used to love you're broke
You were never a real fan of 40k and so your relationship with it is reduced to a mere consumption-as-identity where GW and the 40k label somehow mean more to you than the game and its playerbase. You are a slave and you are dismissed.

>>95903886
>"GW has issued lawsuits against people"
>Only examples are Battletech, a company and not a person, and online reseller parasite companies
I don't care if GW sues other even shittier corporations lmao

>>95903692 (OP)
Is GW going after digital artists who draw 40k fanart as well?
Any proof if true?

>>95903692 (OP)
Gw is right in suing resin printer shops
Do they sell overpiced plastic? Absolutely.
But if you think "I can make a profit here! Making my own prints and selling them cheaper!" Its because you want to inject yourself into THEIR company. You want to extract value our of THEIR product. You are in the wrong and should by nuked with lawyer fees.
That's legally, socially you are perpetuating that company, and deserve to get your shop nuked for it.
The correct way is making your own product, and charging whatever you want. That's fair game.

>>95906126
>You are a slave and you will not be missed.
FTFY.

>>95904836
Don't argue with retards, they'll drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.

>>95903692 (OP)
I've never even seen any of these "content creators" post that they've received a C&D from GW, which is odd because GW C&Ds people all the time.

>>95904093
I never understood why it was hyped up by retards. It was Rick and Morty level comedy.

>>95903820
>I deserve to make money off your product rather than create my own enterprise or learn to weld
>no
>NOOOOO! THIS IS YOUR FAULT!
Official models create primaries.
Official products create secondaries.
Content creators create tertiaries.

>>95908474
its almost as if they're lying for clout

You know the fun claim in this vid is the one that GW does have people/shills within most communities to deal with stuff such as piracy and 3D printing. Which is pretty interesting if you think about for example /40kg/ basically being unable to run a mega because they keep getting taken down and this started around when WH+ was coming out.

>>95909842
I expect its more "gw knows where this stuff is so just every so often goes there and shuts it down"

40kg aint being subtle, the link gets shared around outside of /tg/ and it gets shut down
/hhg/ etc are all fine

>>95908955
>make money off your product
The things youtubers make are not GW's product and no copyright law in the world would rule that making videos about the lore, the minis, or painting techniques is an infringing and unlawful use of a company's copyright. Touch brass.

>>95904717
>Shut up anon, the point of this thread wasn't to actually answer the thread question!

>>95904717
> But I know we're all faggots here and we need to side with the big corpo
Why is /tg/ so communist nowadays?
Don’t get me wrong fuck gw and hope they get counter sued into oblivion, but why is there so much commie spiel on here?

>>95909953
Disliking big corporations - especially really predator ones like GW - is very common, and not particularly communist.

>>95909842
Really I wonder which youtubers are under contract, I can think of a few off the top of my head but I don't really follow enough to make any educated guesses.

>>95909953
>I see the world in a childish binary.
Sounds like a you problem.
I'm kind of sick of how every argument needs to be forced by ideologues into all-or-nothing dichotomies between two opposing factions.
It's retarded and makes certain nuanced discussions literally impossible.
In reality, it's perfectly reasonable to point out that some corporations are excessively immoral, and that their worst excesses should be curtailed somewhat. That's not even controversial until bad actors start trying to muddy the waters. You're unironically acting the way a fad agitator would; reducing the 'middle ground' and trying to force people to be at each others throats.
You probably learned this behavior from a nonstop barrage of political propaganda on twitter.

>>95910001
Arbitor Ian is the only one I'd be 100% certain of.

But also "under contract" is kind of a stupid way to say it or think about it. Even if there is a literal contract involved. GW is not guiding their slopcontent, the extent of the relationship is probably as simple as early product access for a certain number of minutes of coverage.

>>95910130
I don't even think it's a specific amount of coverage thing because you have people on Twitter and Instagram who get models early and really only post WIP shots and the fully painted model. It's likely just as simple as
>be big enough to have an audience
>talk about GW on mostly positive terms
>get free models weeks early so you can drive attention to your blog, site, channel, etc

>>95909865
>40kg aint being subtle, the link gets shared around outside of /tg/ and it gets shut down
It's pretty much this. I know tabletop people who know nothing about /tg/ other than it's the place you go for piracy, and when you can just go to the conveniently labeled thread with a convenient bundle of easy to pirate books without using an app, IRC, or torrents of course you're begging for your stash to be struck down. It's why the archives that survive do so through obfuscated passwords and hosting things offsite because even the tiniest level of resistance causes 95% of outsiders to fuck off (and the remaining 4.999% just bitch and moan in the threads to be spoonfed).

>>95910301
Also bots. There are scraper bots that check any clean link they see for copyright infringing content. But they're either fully automated or run by minimum wage Indians who do not care even a little bit more than they are contractually obligated to, so they won't solve basic find and replace puzzles (the spaces are for periods, the @ is an a, basic shit like that).

>>95909953
I can hate GW for being a terrible piece of shit company run by subhuman faggots who deserve to have their skulls caved in without being a commie.

>>95910021
What points do you people make other then “corporations make money is le bad”
Which it doesn’t feel nuanced, just feels like bunkerchan talking points
Like you do understand that corporations have no moral duties to society, economists have made this very clear, so why do you try to impose morality onto them?

>>95911117
Economists saying corporations have no moral duties doesn’t mean society has to shut up. Critiquing harmful behavior isn’t “imposing morality,” it’s setting basic boundaries so people don’t get screwed.
This attitude of yours is what causes economic recession. All a capitalist system means, is that people can privately own capital in order to make money. Putting regulations on them so they can't dump chemicals in rivers or commit worldwide fraud isn't socialist, it isn't even anti-capitalist, but retards like you can't understand that because you're unironic corporatism serfs.

>>95908955
>Content creators create tertiaries.
I got into 40k and bought models because I saw videos about 40k lore and saw TTS on youtube.

>>95910275
That is actually one of the more mysterious parts of this "revelation".

Loretubers don't really show off models or rules, which are the things that are most important for other youtubers (reviewers, batreppers, etc.) to receive.

So are the loretubers getting rulebooks early just to pull from the fluff sections? Do they also get Black Library releases early (which would be worthless to the other types of youtuber)? Or do they get the same package of rules + models that everyone else gets, and they just get to enjoy/resell the models behind the scenes?

>>95903692 (OP)
I'm just a nobody, but I stop doing 40k fan-art and posts, and also little commisions because I just don't want to suppor freely GW. My main problem is their pricing policy.
>Captcha: DRMFR33
LOL

>>95911268
> Economists saying corporations have no moral duties doesn’t mean society has to shut up. Critiquing harmful behavior isn’t “imposing morality,” it’s setting basic boundaries so people don’t get screwed
And he says all this about a company that sells little toy soldiers
Yeah you really are protecting people buddy, man if it wasn’t people like you they might waste their money on ugly shitty models and that would really be a crime

Man you faggots cry so much about this awful company but you never cry about companies that actually fuck the world over, if you put just a quarter of the effort into complaining about companies that horde water or exploit resources we might actually live in a better world
But let’s complain about the price of goyslop ip

>>95911668
>but you never cry about companies that actually fuck the world over
ANYBODY IN THE WARHAMER THREAD DOWN FOR A QUICK CHAT ABOUT NESTLE AND EXXON??

>>95911668
>but you never cry about companies that actually fuck the world over
Yes I do, faggot. You're too much of an entitled narcissist to understand that people other than yourself continue to exist when you're not looking at them.
I'm bitching about Warhammer because I'm on /tg/, and it's related. That doesn't mean I'm 'ignoring' other shit, it just means they weren't relevant until this exact moment.
>>95911706
100%

>>95911668
Wow what a faggot

>>95911724
>Yes I do, faggot
Doubt
But even then why do you care so much about a shitty ip that let’s face was never good and always about the money, Rick even mentioned that 3rd was simplified so you could have more models on the board so they could sell more models, gw has always been this way so why do you people spend soooooooooo much time and thread after thread bitching about when nothing ever changes, and all you do is give it oxygen that only makes it more visible to retards

Instead talk about good ips like battletech, or infinity games that are actually good and are not as greedy?

>>95903692 (OP)
If you want this to stop, you have to start killing high-level GW employees. Once they start to fear the fandom, they will cave to any demand we give them, reset 40k lore back to pre-8th ed era, and bring out new rules that will last decades, just like battletech

>>95912116
Don't you laugh
It could be you
The FedSun curse
Always comes true
You can jeer at what you don't understand
But any fragile soul
Could be a Davion Man

>>95908955
>rather than create my own enterprise or learn to weld
But they did create their own enterprise
Seriously what the fuck are you complaining about
>make content of GW
>nooo your parasites make your own thing you don't deserve money
>ok, you're threatening us by saying you can cancel our stuff anytime so we'll do our own thing
>nooooo why did you go do your own thing you cowards!

>>95911408
And you're a glowing recommendation for gatekeeping.

>>95911408
>and bought models
Did you build and paint them?

>>95911408
>saw TTS on youtube

I can't imagine that getting me into 40k. Primarch capeshit is awful and if that was my first impression of the setting I'd probably regard 40k as retarded

>>95903886
>Suing for the use of the word "warhammer."
>When they already lost over trying to own "space marine."
>When there's a precedent from that case now.
Retarded bullies most entertaining bullies.

>>95903692 (OP)
>TTS was right
Sure was. A great way to test games and play long-distance.

>>95914177
On the one hand, I'm looking forward to GW slamming face-first into another Chapterhouse case.
OTOH, I remember how they changed their policies to more cancerous and how that shit trickled down to other companies.

Have tried not using someone else's IP for your content?

>>95903692 (OP)
They straight up stole artwork and just kind of lazily moved it around a little and called it "content". How anyone is surprised that it didn't happen sooner is beyond me. What's even more surprising is retards pay that jackoff 20k a MONTH and in his newer videos he can't even be bothered to make sure his players voice recordings don't sound like dogshit.

>>95914299
Fair use, transformative work, etc. Don't quote IP and copyright law while being ignorant of what those actually cover.

>>95903692 (OP)
Okay who is trolling this guy claiming to be an inside source?
C’mon fess up

>>95909953
>Hate monopolies
>This makes you communist
I'm a free market lover. The less giant faggots trying to hog all the wargaming space, the better products we'll see.

>>95909953
>Why is /tg/ so communist nowadays?
Because if GW had to compete with other Wargame companies and needed to upkeep their reputation, they wouldn't pull shit like this. You fucking mook.

>>95903820
>>People start making content about other shit instead
But this never happens. Every warhammer youtuber that "hates warhammer" never shuts up about warhammer.

>>95910424
>fully automated or run by minimum wage Indians
These are the same thing. 90% of "AI" and other automation is just outsourcing the work on mechanical turk

>>95903692 (OP)
GW is truly the worst company

GM fuck GW, Blackrock and Vanguard

>>95909953
Sorry anon but you are too fucking stupid to bother arguing with

>>95904836
Anon there is no bottom to the profundity and depth of a GW shill's stupidity, GW has perfected the art of casting an ever-wider net in an ever-shallower sea and catching all the most stupid fish

>>95917458
Who is hogging the war games space?
If anything there are more options then ever
It’s like when people complain about pop music despite the fact it doesn’t really exist anymore, since anyone can make their own music and publish it for free
>>95917608
Shit like what them doing a (frankly stupid) scatter gun level lawsuit that they will most likely lose, I mean yeah they’ll lose a lot of money but who cares?

>>95921096
Okay nigga.
Just because weeds are springing up around an oak doesn't mean it's not taking the majority of the nutrients.
Music fans and tabletop fans are different, because music doesn't require you to dip heavily into your funds, and has a much, much wider pool to take from.
With tabletop, you're taking water from a smaller pool.

>>95909879
TTS ripped offical GW art and just did very basic image warping to make it out into "animations".

>>95921144
Do you know how far fair use and transformative work goes? Because that's very much covered, retard.

>>95921308
Yeah I'm sure if GW took some fanart and edited it slightly and put it in codex without speaking with or compensating the artist you would be saying the samething.

>>95921144
TTS is still up, nothing happened to it. TTS is a parody and so would be protected under copyright law even if you're using official stuff. GW never harassed it. The reality that nobody wants to accept is that Alfabusa got tired of it. He went from releasing an episode every month or 2 to releasing one in like 9 months. The guy also had a kid, everything became dad jokes and shit.

Also, this guy is at present making 28,400 $ a month from his patreon. Several times more than with TTS. Am I really supposed to feel bad for him? If anything, getting weaned off GW's IP allowed him to get creative with his own stuff.

>>95921437
The bar for editing someone else's work and passing it off as your own, and then selling that to customers is far higher, so... No. That's not the same thing. Do you know anything about the laws you're being outraged on behalf of? Because it sounds like you're that angry faggot who thinks Disney should be able to sue people for drawing Spider-man.

>>95921144
>>95921437

Parody and transformative work.
The DMCA is the worst fucking thing to happen to the internet ever. Because it makes mouthbreathing retards cry about perfectly fine creative works.
Making a parody show using official art is fine. Because niggers aren't coming to your show for the artwork. They're coming for the storyline and jokes. That's what you're settling.
In your example the art would've not been credited (Something that the TTS people do), and would be sold in an official book, which the art is some of the appeal.

>>95904122
>Trench trannies literally think the forces of hell are the "good guys" while they appropriate Christian imagery.
This is not true btw, this guy is a culture war schizophrenic.

>>95921630
> then selling that to customers is far higher, so... No

So monetizing it in otherwise is fine? TTS wasn't just a fananimaition made for fun, it was the guys' full time job and the reason why he stopped making it is because he was worried that if GW did step in they would take away his only revenue stream

>>95921666
>In your example the art would've not been credited (Something that the TTS people do), and would be sold in an official book, which the art is some of the appeal

Crediting something doesn't give you apss to do what you want with it, in fact crediting means literally nothing if it's not made with permission. And even if you're parodying something, that just means you can utilize the ideas and concepts not use art assets you don't own.

>>95921850
If that were the case you could make the argument that you couldn't make mashups or remixes of songs because you're using art assets you don't own.
The problem is you've transformed those art assets into a new product, one that is seperate from the first one.
You're a moron.

>>95921825
And he was producing original works with his own skills and effort. What's your point, retard? Because you still haven't made one.

>>95921911
No one watches that shit, which is why he and everyone else relies on 40k content. I’m not hating on these creators at all, they’re in the hustle like everyone else, but GW isn’t the devil for trying to protect its IP. If you want to make money off of a fan base created by my IP then don’t bitch if I want a cut or even tell you you;re not allowed to use my IP.

Everyone with two brain cells to rub together understands this basic shit. But the retards MUST signal online for pro-piracy and pro-theft because the culture enjoys stolen shit, that’s literally all. Instead of saying “oh well it was fun while it lasted let’s support the creators in their next project” everyone wants to cry about IP owners protecting their fucking IP. Because, ultimately, no one gave a shit about the creators they cared about the IP.

>>95922032
If all anyone cares about is IP then people wouldn't call dumb bullshit in BL dumb bullshit. They would just basedpoint at the recognizable characters.
And some people do that. But the people going to TTS are going there because of the product that was made, with the elements. They're not *competing* with GW any more than GW is competing with the fucking starcraft IP. Saying you want a cut of someone doing the online version of smashing action figures together because you just so happen to own the rights to the action figures is so fucking jewish I'm tempted to ask your opinion on the Gaza strip.

>>95921767
Sorry anon there's no good guys in this setting

>>95922181
That--
That's not him saying the demons are good.
That's him saying "Demons are bad but the churches can be corrupt"
It's still retarded, it just doesn't prove your point

>>95922181
Has that problem 40k has where they made one side such a major existential threat that they can't really play the both sides issue. The forces of hell do bad things but like the alternative is literally hell.

>>95922213
Sorry forces of the church*

>>95922181
Yeah anon you're retarded.

>>95922032
The problem isn't that GW is "protecting it's IP" but that it is threatening LAWFARE on random people who cannot afford to defend themselves in court against spurious charges. I pray you end up on the receiving end of a bullshit charge that you have to fight for years just so you understand how fucking horrendous the legal system is. That's the real fucking problem here. Copyright law is bullshit, but it doesn't actually give GW the power to protect itself against youtubers making parodies. However, that doesn't mean that GW can't dangle the threat of a one-sided legal battle to make people decide that completely ceasing is better than losing all of their money and being dragged through court, possibly for years, to gain absolutely nothing, and not even be able to countersue after.

>>95922181
You're mind don't work good

Could a class action lawsuit against GW work?

>>95922205
>reading comprehension
>on /tg/

Hello, ledditor.

>>95921123
This whole thread reeks of r/sigmarxism and your post specifically
You do understand that is the market’s decision right, like just because people with their own money choose to buy gw’s overpriced plastic doesn’t mean they are hogging the war games industry
Hell the real reason is because very few care about anything that isn’t warhammer.
As an example I originally wanted to get into warmachine, but there was nothing to onboard be once I got the starter box for khador (the one with sorscha and two war jacks) no lore videos, no books just a box in a miscellaneous goods store, but when I found warhammer it was through Arch Warhammer’s lore videos, something that would actually tell me about the setting rather then just a blurb on the back of the box, hell even today I still don’t see much for warmachine lore videos, and if I wanna read it I have to pay for subscription on an app
The biggest reason why alternatives don’t have the market share is due to a lack of onboarding and very few making vids for them, and the reason is because they just aren’t as good, factx4KV8

>>95922725
This guy gets it
People bitch about corporations waaaay too much on the internet in general instead of look at the government that allows this stuff to go on
You know why your grocery bill is so high kids? It’s not because of corporations it’s because the government won’t stop inflating the currency to nothingness

>>95922980
>dear mister Judge, GW won't let us use their IP for free, please punish them
Take a wild guess what the verdict is going to be. Fuck, you might end up paying for GW's legal expenses since you can ask the court for that sort of thing is someone is baselessly harassing you

>>95926332
>The biggest reason why alternatives don’t have the market share is due to a lack of onboarding and very few making vids for them, and the reason is because they just aren’t as good, factx4KV8
It's the reason why Battletech was the easy mark for many in recent years, many loretubers moved to it and it had some existing ones as well, along with a similar history as 40k of making sourcebooks and novels that are relatively easy to find.

>>95927884
Fair use is protected against copyright. Criticism, commentary, and parody are expressly named and described as being protected under fair use.
It's not "using their IP without their permission" it is creating something yourself, with their IP as a starting point. It has nothing to do with the depth or lack therof of what people create using the IP, and everything to do with whether or not they actually made something themselves or not. If they did, it's protected, and they can do whatever they want with their own creation.
GW does not have legal foundation to sue people for making parodies of their work and succeed, but because they are controlling scumbags they're trying to do it anyway and are basically just bullying people into not doing whatever they want even though the law is expressly against them (and they likely know it.) they just have enough capital to throw at their legal teams to make them unable to be sued for sheer inconvenience.

>>95929256
the only good lore tuber is TEX and he was here first
everyone else in lore-tuber is a fucking waste of life.

>>95904093
100% this.
A border prince shut down his channel/put the videos to private, but then he was narrating their books word by word, so people who listened to him did not have to buy the books. Guess he is rightfully afraid that GW might not like that.

>>95922205
>sure demons might flay your soul forever and devour your wife and children, but hey did you know that your local priest is a pedophile? really makes you think that things might not be so black and white :^)
It's always the same old argument, but demons flay your soul FOREVER. FOR. EV. ER.

What if Church, but also demons?

>>95931185
Liberal propaganda.

>>95929518
>GW does not have legal foundation to sue people for making parodies
So stand up to them and have your lawyer make a motion to dismiss. No lengthy trial, no big expenses. Hell, the court may well award you attorney's expenses.

Every fucking time it's the same story. Some faggot making low effort shit so he can beg patreon money. When GW steps in they fold without resistance probably because they sense they have no case. The people making protected parodies tend not to be harassed a lot - see TTS.

Also, GW is a british company and fair use is more restrictive over there. In any case, I'm not a lawyer, nobody here is either and if these faggots think they have a case they should hire one and fight it out.

>>95933808
I am embarrassed to be British because Games Workshop are the epitome of just how fucking petty we can be with the slightest bit of power or influence over someone else.

>>95933831
Based selfaware Brit. The sun never set on the British empire because even God didn't trust you fags in the dark.
t. burger

>>95929256
Yeah and that’s really good for battletech and any setting
I think most people get into something based on the fluff surrounding it, and having the story behind a paywall is not good for getting started
Hell as an example I had no interest in 40K and thought space marines (old mark VIIs) looked stupid (still do) and had no interest, wasn’t till I saw arch’s videos explaining the various different chapters that I like them now

>>95903838
samefag

>>95933808
>So stand up to them and have your lawyer make a motion to dismiss.
That's not how the legal system works, dipshit.

>>95933808
I wanted to do a youtube series about the horus heresy but its probably not worth the risk anymore even if it is just for non profit fun

>>95908522
>never understood why it was hyped up by retards.
literally because the dude screamed 99% of the time and people equate being loud with being funny

>>95941333
>HHsissy is a tertiary
Imagine my shock.

>>95940716
It literally does. If a lawsuit is obviously baseless as everyone here claims you can in fact ask the judge to dismiss it outright.

>>95942175
Lawsuits can't be dismissed by someone just going
>Nuh uh this is wrong
The average case will take MONTHS before there's any kind of interaction with a judge beyond basic paperwork filing and date setting. You don't get to file a motion to dismiss or even have the judge hear that until the case starts, and in order to do that, you need to retain a lawyer, which you will have to do for as long as it takes to get the case started, and even once you get that far, legal technicalities will still require that the case proceed with evidence gathering, discovery, and so on.

If GW takes you to court and says "This chucklefuck infringed our copyright so we're suing him" you do not get to run to the court and say "I think you should dismiss the case." without any actual trial happening first

>>95942175
The way that actually works out is you file to dismiss, and then they file in opposition. Since the entire point of the case is to determine whether this is infringing, if your argument in the dismissal claim is "it is not infringing", then you're not going to get it dismissed. That issue is what needs to be adjudicated. Filing for dismissal is for shit like "they filed this claim in the wrong court and there's no jurisdiction over one or both parties" or "they included some random uninvolved guy, here's his alibi go find the right target", not "they should lose this case on the merits".

>>95942144
post army

>>95930533
Someone being more bad doesn't make bad people less bad

>>95914376
How do either of those apply to that context though?

>>95903692 (OP)
>GW IS RUINING THE FAN CONTENT AND WE ALL HAVE TO QUIT, THEY'RE RUINING OUR LIVELIHOODS
>from the same guy who did a harassment campaign against a fan animator who GW hired to officially support
>his example of "fans being taken down" was actually chinese and third party sellers who used explicit branding like warhammer logos and calling their tools citadel brand. Literally can read it yourself in the public legal documents about the case
this fag is just a drama farming retard twisting a very normal copyright protection case to get clicks, don't trust his bullshit

>>95903820

>>95947736
Because what TTS was doing was transformative and fair use.

>>95947898
>from the same guy who did a harassment campaign against a fan animator who GW hired to officially support
I'm not up to date on the lore of this. Can I get a rundown?

>>95947736
Is TTS a market competitor for what GW offers. Explain how TTS digs into GW's profits

>>95950361
GW produces animations based on their IP and sells them as part of their service or gets license fees if it's not on their service

>>95950056
During the inital panic where everyone thought GW was going to shut down fan animations (they didn't) they approached a lot of animators to offer them jobs working for them. The ASTARTES guy was one if them, another was Sodaz but Sodaz was being harassed at the time by people in the community and this only increaswd after GW offered him a job. People have accused janovich of being amongst the people harassing Sodaz however I don't think there was obvious evidence of this.

>>95950936
Okay but by that same logic someone charging comission to write fanfic chapters is infringing on Black Library.
But this isn't true, because you go to these things for different purposes. Just as a steakhouse doesn't infringe on Mcdonalds.

>>95951022
>Okay but by that same logic someone charging comission to write fanfic chapters is infringing on Black Library.
It is, though. You're profiting off of their IP. If I sell "homemade whoppers" then I'm infringing on Burger King's IP even if my burger is nothing like a whopper - hell, that could be used as justification I'm eroding the brand. Now if I sell "whapper patties" that just so happen to perfectly complement a burger king meal, that's fine. Which is why you can sell "Armored Jetpack Gothic Space Warriors" minis but not "Assault Marines"

>>95947898
I'll admit I've never heard of this guy until recently since I don't watch 40k Youtubers, but his timeline of videos mostly looks like he did mostly Vraks content for years, made a few videos complaining about GW with Stormcast images for some reason, and then here we are now. Did he just run out of Vraks to milk or get tired of it? GW is not a great company, so I see someone stating GW tied their hands as a way to eject themselves from their niche without fan complains working.

>>95951353
I guess it's a way to try and ride the spite train to retain audience when you pivot instead of just building another channel and redirecting them there or just saying "yeah, I got tired of 40K and I'd like to feel out some other stuff". Of course, that train has already long left the station.

>>95951168
Great job. Now explain how TTS isn't parody or transformative enough to be parody under copyright law.

>>95952303
Because it's using the actual characters and actual art assets from GW (and stole a /tg/ joke thread concept besides). If TTS had any creativity at all he could've gone the Spaceballs/Space King route, but unfortunately he's a talentless hack.

>>95952510
We're not judging creativity. We're judging if it constitutes valid parody under law.
Which it does, by the way. You can use lifted art assets in a transformative way. Even for people who own their own likeness.

>>95952510
Disliking the parody doesn't mean it isn't parody. Quality or lack therof has no influence on the legal definition of it meeting the criteria for parody, and given that essentially every joke it makes is in some way making fun of 40k and its lore it's very obviously parody.

>>95952558
>>95952589
You can't just make a parody using the original characters without agreement from the IP holder. Dark Helmet is Legally Distinct Darth Vader for a reason beyond just comedy.

>>95952656
> You can't just make a parody using the original characters without agreement from the IP holder.
Yes you can, there's no mention of requiring permission to make parodies whatsoever: you don't need to ask permission to make fun of something publicly available. The question is only if it is transformative: and given that the depicted events in TTS are nowhere close to written canon and more importantly they don't claim to be associated with GW in any way shape or form, there's no argument to be made that it's somehow stealing the work itself and undermining the market impact GW has over their IP in the legal sense.

Think of it like this: they're making something that anyone with sufficient knowledge of what the IP is like could conceivably make themselves, and their goal is entirely to entertain, mock, and make fun of the original work, not replace it.

>>95950962
Really the oddest thing was that Sodaz got all the hurrsassment when the Helsreach and Astartes guys didn't.

>>95952656
>You can't just make a parody using the original characters without agreement from the IP holder.
You think stuff like Robot Chicken or MAD magazine get permission for the stuff they parody?

>>95922205
This was written in the most tranny way possible. LOL even the:
"That--
That's"

>>95952827
>LOL
seething, I guess.

>>95952656
You literally can. Robot chicken was already mentioned. But parody also covers reviews and critique as well. Parody isn't just mimicking something to poke fun at it.
"A parody takes a piece of creative work–such as art, literature, or film–and imitates it in an exaggerated, comedic fashion."
You can do this with the original assets. Because you are exaggerating qualities of the assets. Please learn definitions

>>95952827
>YOU MUST TALK LIKE ME OR YOU ARE OTHER TRIBE
grugbrain mentality.

>>95922181
>There are no good guys in this setting
>Hmm then that must mean that all options are entirely and absolutely equal!
Assault is better than murder. Neither is good. Fucking retard.

>>95952656
>You can't just make a parody using the original characters without agreement from the IP holder
Absolutely 100% legally can in all countries. Eat shit. Die mad about it. Never post again.

>>95953207
hes kina right though
who types like that?

>jews workshop does jewish lawfare
imagine being new to this lol
remember when jew dubs tried to copyright the term space marine lmao

>>95954590
only person I met who typed like that was some weird overly emotional gay guy in his 20s who never left his bedroom, was eternally angry and argumentative yet retarded and never actually had a good take, and jerked off to cartoons all day. So basically the average poster here.

>>95950020
How is taking assets you don't own and using them to make a comedy series in a setting that you similarly don't own transformative or fair use?

>>95955439
>A parody takes a piece of creative work–such as art, literature, or film–and imitates it in an exaggerated, comedic fashion. Parody often serves as a criticism or commentary on the original work, the artist who created it, or something otherwise connected to the work. In the United States, parody is protected by the First Amendment as a form of expression. However, since parodies rely heavily on the original work, parodists rely on the fair use exception to combat claims of copyright infringement. The fair use exception is governed by the factors enumerated in section 107 of the Copyright Act: (1) the purpose and character of the use; (2) the nature of the original work; (3) the amount and substantiality of the original work used; and (4) the effect on the market value of the original work.

>>95955439
>How is making a comedy series transformative or fair use?

>>95903692 (OP)
>This person is pointing a gun at me so I'm going to duck for cover.
>"But why? He hasn't actually shot you yet."

>>95955439
Because it's the law. Retard

>>95955495
I'm aware of what a parody is, but the thing people always focus on for TTS is the use of official assets, not the idea of a parody series. I don't think either party is in the US anyway so I don't really think the first amendment is that relevant.

>>95956153
The worldwide law says you don't need to care about copyright infringement in any way as long as you're making something funny?

>>95956261
Yeah that comes under the definition of "transformative" because neither 40k as a setting or their fans have a sense of humor

>>95956261
There is no "Worldwide law" on fucking copyright. It's just easier to use the US definition because that's the furthest reaching one.
And the US law says that TTS is a work of parody, meaning that GW is shit out of luck.

>>95903692 (OP)
>GW puts out new legal T&C essentially saying that they’re going to crack down on monetized fan content
>Alfa states that while he believes TTS falls under fair use, even an unlawful copyright strike that results in videos being taken down could put his and some of his crew’s livelihoods at stake.
>They could fight such a strike and maybe even win, but that would take time and cost money
>Decides to not risk it and move on to a new IP with an owner that he already has a good working relationship with and is much more friendly to fan creators.
>States that the only way TTS will ever come back is if someone at GW reaches out to him and gives him their explicit blessing to continue.
No legal action was taken, but that’s because Alfa decided to not poke the bear any further than he already had.

>>95957096
Anon he left the videos up and they're still monetized, making more videos wouldn't have changed anything.

>>95957146
My understanding was that by not producing new videos, they were hoping to fly under the radar and not provoke the lawyers. But on a related note, a recent Patreon post indicated that they were and are prepared to take down all of TTS if a video should be struck. https://www.patreon.com/posts/update-05-30-and-130077526

>>95957096
Hopefully GW takes the TTS videos down forever so that in the next decade the 40k fandom can recover and stop obsessing over primarchs. It's Alfabusa's fault that GW's customer-base is so primarch-obsessed, you can't really blame GW for capitalizing on that and thereby ruining 40k.

Maybe they'll even kill the primarchs off in ten years, if we're lucky! Death to TTS!

>>95957186
>My understanding was that by not producing new videos, they were hoping to fly under the radar and not provoke the lawyers.

Which is completely irrational, they're still continuing to do the thing they think GW doesn't want them to do. Making new episodes wouldn't change anything if the old episodes are still being used to make money. I guess you could argue that not making new episodes means they'll get less publicity but they're still making new content on the channel, so either way they're getting publicity.

>>95958102
Horus Rising came out in 2006 and is the starting point for the current primarch obsession and start of 40k's downfall.

>>95958242
60 book series of abysmal dogshit, what is peoples obsession with it?

>>95958102
I love when stupid niggas think the sword won't cut both ways
Law works on precedent. If GW did this and won, it opens a lot of doors.

>>95952558
Well since they complied with the C&D (or jumped out before they got one) we will never know. It's very much a fact based call. But I get the feeling if it was really making them money, they consulted an attorney before the decision, and the attorney probably told them they would be fucked

>>95958983
There's really no way to know. Back in the day, FASA got sued by Harmony Gold for using Macross designs that they had both licensed, but FASA bitched out rather than fight it and changed all the designs away. 20 years later, HG tried again, but were dumb enough to go after Microsoft, who didn't bitch out. Turns out that HG's license was *only* for the show, not the designs and FASA could have won that case if they had just let it get to discovery and have anyone outside of HG look at their licensing agreement.

>>95958242
It came out in 2006, because people back then already had a primarch obsession. If nobody had cared for primarchs, GW would not have released HH and milked it for 60+ books.

>>95958425
The sword is already cutting my way, why shouldn't I want it to cut (you) too?

>>95959647
Because then it cuts everyone you fucking negroid.

>>95956462
Yes, obviously there is no worldwide law on copyright anon, did you really think that was a serious question? I'm not really sure what you're getting at with the second part of what you're saying, GW in this nonexistent case is fucked because you think the US government is going to intervene?

>>95956411
I guess getting 40k fans to use some new jokes outside the same dozen or so completely outdated ancient memes is a transformative effect at least.

>>95958242
> Horus Rising came out in 2006
Damn it came out same year I was born, man that was a great year

>>95958279
It struck at the right time and was a series that at least started as a logical jumping in point for the setting/IP without needing to explicitly know a bunch of other shit like with the regular 40k novels. Arguably it was also something of a fresh break from re-treading the same stuff like the regular 40k novels were which probably sold a lot of people on it. Covering various aspects of the Imperium that weren't really looked at was also another part that drew a lot of people in. BL had outlines to specifically avoid a lot of that stuff in the regular 40k novels for whatever inane reason they had. No idea why it managed to stay as popular as it did though and definitely felt like it was overstaying its welcome towards the middle even.

>>95958102
>It's Alfabusa's fault that GW's customer-base is so primarch-obsessed

>>95903838
This

>>95960068
I'm already getting cut, I don't give a fuck about your well-being because you clearly don't give a fuck about mine.

>>95963918
THe more it cuts nigger , the harder it is to pull out.

>>95964593
Sounds like you're just trying to drive the blade deeper into me to keep yourself safe.

>>95964970
I'm literally telling you the tools of dogshit IP control that the DMCA imposes, and that strengthening it is a fucking terrible idea. And you're pulling a scorpion and the toad.

>>95965339
>t. scorpion

>>95959014
And now many mechs have like 5 different designs depending on the time and source.

>>95958279
>Space Marine fanboys get an entire series of marine-wank and Primarch melodrama for 20 years straight
Yeah, it's a mystery.

>>95908955
>I deserve to use electricity I didn't generate to join metal I didn't mine, smelt, or refine with metal components I bought at harbor freight

Intellectual property is chosen people nonsense

>>95908955
Reminds me of when I had a heated argument about lore with someone whose only experience with 40k was from the 40k DLC for Powerwash Simulator.

>>95969812
>the 40k DLC for Powerwash Simulator
Wot

>>95970100
Yeah there is a DLC for it where you play as a Mechanicus Adept powerwashing equipment like Tanks APC's and Dreadnaught's for various chapters during the Indomidus crusade

>>95968062
You pay for all those things thobeightall. Did Total Tranny Simulator pay for his use of official art assets?

>>95970275
Don't have to according to fair use and parody law. Cope. Seethe. Read up on copyright law

>>95903692 (OP)
TTS was dogshit and I'm glad it's dead.

>>95970221
That Landraider was fucking hell to clean because it's nothing but angles where dirt can hide.

>>95903838
based

>>95912327
not the anon but I did. Currently painting an admech kt and then ill be finishing up my thousand sons kt I got back during kt21

>>95904093
>seething autist VERY upset about silly internet videos

>>95903692 (OP)
> It seems most of the time it's people choosing to step away voluntarily, rather than any actual legal action being taken.
I didn't really care for most "40K content creators" (dreadanon is funny though, I hope he doesn't stop), but I know a few people who make monetizable youtube videos on other niche topics, so I think I can explain.
It is a very precarious way to earn a living, and even a vague threat of getting copyright struck or mass reported is enough to scare many of them away. Youtube largely does not give a shit about you if you're a small time youtuber with thousands or even hundreds of thousands of subscribers or less - there isn't a person you can call or something - and the rules are nebulous and inconsistently applied. The people that aren't scared are people who do this thing for fun and don't derive much or any significant income from it, but there's only so much production value you can achieve before you have to go full time.

>>95976789
You're being way too charitable. Most of these fags were already pivoting away from 40K content and had been for some time, they're just trying to rile up some pitybux on their patreons by urging you to STICK TO MEAN OL DADDY GEEDUBS WHO IS KNEELING ON MY NECK by giving them 5 bucks a month to narrate a wikipedia entry or /tg/ greentext instead.

GW is already such a shite company I don't get why people have to make up fake shit to smear em with when there's so many legitimate grievances out there you could pick from instead.

>>95977047
Two things can be true at the same time. GW can be in the wrong and have no legal claim to copyright strike youtubers AND youtubers can be a bunch of lazy, boring faggots who make low effort slop. GW has no legal grounds to make copyright claims or go after youtubers. It's lawfare and it's gay and retarded. You don't have to defend it, but you don't have to like the youtubers facing it either.

>>95904080
This

>>95930284
That guy is also the reason most anyone that's not an old head knows about the eye of terror which is one of the few actually good Warhammer novels other than Inquisition war. Almost everything else is HH or astartes bolterslop.

>>95980741
But I'm sure the 6 million AI slop YouTube accounts will be the last things left standing.

>>95976789
Tbqh this is why I don’t understand why anyone would even want to be a “content creator” as their full-time job unless your other options are selling organs or sucking dick for heroin. Your options are to hope you luck out/get artificially hyped into the next Mr. Beast so that the platform bends over backwards for you, and otherwise there’s no protection from falling off the algorithm or getting spammed with copyright claims by some ornery faggot who doesn’t like what you make. Or is just bored.

Youtube was better when channels weren’t monetised anyway, lacking a direct financial incentive meant people actually posted shit they were passionate about (for good and ill) instead of churn out low effort slop after slop to stay abreast of the algorithm.

>>95980656
Also this. I would have more respect if this twat just made a 15 second video where he says “Hey guys, this isn’t fun anymore, thanks for being here, it’s been real” instead of draw out the pity party so hard while acknowledging someone else did it first.

>>95953453
seethe, commie troons always want to play demons in D&D, they made pride month daemon shit in 40k, every new fantasy video game lately is filled with a bunch of gay demons, it's clearly a thing they're doing

>>95980862
>Youtube was better when channels weren’t monetised anyway, lacking a direct financial incentive meant people actually posted shit they were passionate about (for good and ill) instead of churn out low effort slop after slop to stay abreast of the algorithm.

This. And this is also why i have no pity for any of them, whenever GW or who knows who strikes at them.

>>95930533
Why the fuck are you justifying the rape of children if demons walked on the earth? Both are evil and should not be tolerated. If you tolerate the child-fucking priest because of his utility against demons, you are being evil. STOP PUSHING PEDOPHILIA.

>>95917679
Bruva Alfabusa did the one video talking about the topic in full and then started working on the Hunter: The Parenting and other non 40K proyects they had.

The >Every warhammer youtuber that "hates warhammer" is just a bunch of faggots that dont know what else to do but complaint.

>>95986652
okay now do child raping rabbis, the ones working for the demons

>>95969812
That sounded like an awful thing to go through.

>why do people get scared when someone holds a gun to their head?
>for all we know there are 0 examples of the gun ever being fired

>>95952770
Sodaz kind of won in the end. He now seems to make whatever he wants.

>>95903820
Fippy bippy
TTS wouldn't have just given up their biggest cash cow if they weren't damn sure GW would crawl down their throats
>>95903838
Yep yep yep

>>95908955
>implying GW somehow DOESNT want more secondaries and "tertiaries"
You're a fucking retard and GW wants to have its cake and eat it too. 40k has to become as big and bloated as possible. Execs have wet dreams about Pedro Pascal starring in "WARHAMMER: THE MOVIE" while little Timmy reads more articles on Fandom and buys a Khornate lunchbox. This is the future of the hobby.
Yet people with actual talent making content you would have chopped your left arm off for (before you became a soulless dopamine overloaded faggot) who want to earn a few bucks are the bad guy because they DARED profit just a teensy bit from GW's IP while GW raises prices again and fleeces its customers until they're bleeding.
>Clearly the artists are the true villains!
Absolute moron, single digit IQ faggot. Id tell you to kill yourself but I imagine that consuming GW's products like a good little piggie is already hell on earth.

>>95990583
It's a closer to people being scarred about someone having a gun in general. A C&D is a gun to the head