Thread 95905301

Thoughts?
40k-like but without the darkness of its universe plus "space-late-stage-techno-feudal-capitalism", despite it's classified as "grimdark" by its creators.

https://lokensminiatures.com/product-category/morningstar/hegemon/

https://youtu.be/R16idQ2l0CI?si=VpsLlwflt1NVjpnM

>>95905301 (OP)
Space Marines look stupid. Tactical space marines just look stupid and greebly.

>>95905301 (OP)
>it's classified as "grimdark" by its creators
Into the trash it goes.

>>95905314
So, this ones are also stupid for you?

>>95905338
Why?

>>95905364
Yeah that clone trooper looks dumb.

>>95905393
>thinks Fallout looks passable

>>95905436
>picrel is OP.png
>it's not insulting OP but another anon
Stormtrooper's aim.

>>95905314
Explain why, it's because practicality? aesthetics? both?

>>95905301 (OP)
kind of mediocre

>>95905301 (OP)
That space marine needs more details and bits.

>>95905364
I've never thought Fallout power armor looked good, especially not the goblin looking Enclave armor.

That thing on the left is worse.

>>95905975
40k Space Marines have the aesthetic sense of a stupid children's toy. Putting visual noise on that helps not at all.

>>95905301 (OP)
Should've made it Appleseed inspired. It'd at least stand out from the 8,000 other generic pickatinny bolter marines clogging up myminifactory.

Oh boy, another "tired of 40k? Here's a game that's exactly like 40k!" grift. Just play a different fucking game.

>>95906246
>visual noise
Do you mean "overdesign" or it means something else?

>>95905364
The bonked trooper. Looks like the dude from Master of Disguise

I always assumed that video was someone wanting to make a 40k fan project and not get their nuts slapped by GW.
>Thoughts?
These look like every single Space Marine knockoff that exists on MyMiniFactory but instead of having the option to print them myself I have to spend $30 for 5 non-Marines. At least the MMF people often have a gimmick or style you can latch on to, but these look like they were designed in a lab to be the most generic sci-fi Space Marine clone of all time.

The original Starcraft already did space marines right. A militarized astronaut's suit. They just needed to make the joints make better sense. Instead they 40kified them in 2.

>>95905301 (OP)
This project has too much faggot lore and not enough xeno crushing

>>95905364
Omg they even copied the anatomical failure of terminator armor

Someone tries to make "warhammer with the edges smoothed off" every few years and it feels so pointless. Just make something original. There's plenty of other cool scifi concepts and even other ways to implement power armor than a space marine without the knightly/religious trappings.

Also these designs have the same problem as the rest, there's not enough clear surface area on the armor. Everything is greebles on greebles and it means they're gonna be more detail paint than armor color.

>>95905301 (OP)
>40k ripoff

GW needs to sue, then open up a private prison to put copyright infringement faggots and GW-criticizers in. There they can be raped by Phil Kelly for all eternity

>>95905301 (OP)
>>95912087
>Thoughts?
I think it's depressing that "40K-like" and "grimdark" are becoming advertisement buzzwords for new projects, desu. I'm seeing new creators make the same mistakes Games Workshop did even faster.

>>95906427
>Appleseed inspired.
What does that even mean?

>>95912124
>same mistakes Games Workshop did
What are those mistakes?

>>95912087
>There's plenty of other cool scifi concepts and even other ways to implement power armor
What other concepts?
What other ways?

>>95908530
>Instead they 40kified them in 2.
How?

>they even copied the anatomical failure of terminator armor
What was the failure?

You, anons, are just dropping stuff without any explanation. What are you talking about?

>>95912148
Making "grimdark" bullshit instead of good, family-friendly content with Christian values. Which GW seemed to be doing for a bit, exciting me, but now they've brought back the grimderp

>>95912197
>instead of good, family-friendly content with Christian values.
We found it, fellow anons, we found the contrarian phaggot.

>>95905301 (OP)
So what exactly is the horror aspect of it? I'm not even trying to be intentionally contrarian but it lost me at the making war for fun bit at the beginning as if that's actually compelling

I wouldn't normally complain about realism but that gun is fucking insane. It has two separate mags for seemingly the exact same type of firearm and caliber. I'm assuming it's supposed to be like a storm bolter, but instead of the mags being joined you would have to carry twice the amount of mags and reload your gun twice every time.
This is advanced firearm goofiness.

>>95905301 (OP)
>40k but remove absolutely every vaguely interesting aesthetic until its generic guns in space
who asked for this?

>>95911177
Iron Hands autism being what it is. Do they just fit a prosthetic arm big enough to fit where a typical terminator sized arm armor would be?

>>95912234
>So what exactly is the horror aspect of it?
>"space-late-stage-techno-feudal-capitalism"
You see, anon, life has no meaning by itself, people only care abut how big is your bank account.

>>95912564
>who asked for this?
People with revenge-fantasies after all the content and yt channels purged or sued by GW.
I say this unironically, just check the comments of the video linked in OP.

>>95912234
Source of picrel? Kinda ugly the armor but the painter has talent.

>>95912667
What do you think were the last thoughts of the Night Lord? Was worth it betraying the Emperor and Mankind or what?

>>95912268
Excuse my ignorance is firearms, OPicrel gun is really that goofy for a human futuristic setting?

It's like AI generated 40k
>The Hegemon of a Thousand Empires is a powerful interstellar confederacy of diverse human nations that united through prominent mercantile families almost a thousand fiscal-cycles ago. Originating in the Orion Spur, a constellation of several hundred star systems, the Hegemon now directly controls thousands of lightcycles stretching outward from its primary world of Protea. Despite its relative youth, the Hegemon has bested many older human nations whose histories had stretched back in an unbroken chain to previous epochs of stellar expansion, some as far back as the First Exodus.

>>95912839
>People with revenge-fantasies after all the content and yt channels purged or sued by GW.
"There are dozens of us! Dozens!"

>>95905436
>reddit comic
Not exactly showing well yourself, guy.

>>95912922
>ThE hEgEmOn Of A tHoUsAnD eMpIrEs
I miss the times when factions had simple names and didn't need to explain the obvious, example: WoW (I know this days is a shadow of what it was),
>Alliance
>Horde
>Legion
One word, nothing more nothing less, simple and perfect.

Also, why can't scifi writers think any other form of government that isn't an empire or a confeideration?

>>95914183
Because David Drake died and everyone else who writes milscifi has the reading level of a ten year old.

>>95906232
>I've never thought Fallout power armor looked good
Insanely cringe post.

>>95914732
Very antisemitic of him.

>>95905301 (OP)
enough random useless fucking bits on there?
these are unfun to paint, modellers just don't know how to control themselves
GW makes models that are actually enjoyable to paint, that's their secret
Having too do all the little useless bumps on this model is exhausting and it wont look any better

ANY developer who thinks trying to clone 40k is the path to success is guaranteed to fail — not because people hate 40km but because if THAT’S your plan then you simply don’t have the talent to succeed at all. If you can’t develop a compelling original setting then just stay out of the business.

>>95907069
NTA but he's probably talking about the immense amount of detail, which is not the same as overdesign (though there's some overlap in this example). Any detail that's too small or delicate to maintain its integrity after being painted should not be on a miniature.

>>95905301 (OP)
Another "we have mutant chronicles at home" jartycuck tier project. Still hope it does well.

>>95912854
>"Your primarch died like a bitch."

>>95915177
Now real question is was he thinking about Ferrus or Curze...

>>95905364
Yes this looks fucking horrible, enclave armor from the worst bethesda interpretation

>>95915216
I'm going to give him the benefit of a doubt and assume both.

>>95905364
Am I the only one that sees the weird shilloute of of the B2 Battle droids in the troopers armor, nevermind how fucking insane the idea of it being a thing in universe it would be.

Aside from that, all Fallout Power Armor is ugly as fuck.

>>95914183
all single word names are copyright

>>95912197
Och away back to buggering altar boys while your wife cucks you with the gardener and you weep into your book of fairytales you sad scrote.

>>95905301 (OP)
looks like the typical stuff you'd see featured on MMF.
What's the gimmick? What makes it more interesting than stock UE5 assets?

>>95912161
Quit being a glazer, queer

>>95905301 (OP)
The designs aren't really horrible, but I can tell from the lack of any photographs that the product looks nothing like the renders and the resin options are a ripoff. Using 3D printing for production isn't a good idea anyway. The writing is repulsively bad as well and killed any interest I had in the background material. All in all, it's not a great offering, and you're not a great marketer. Why the hell would you try to pitch something as being 40K-like but without the defining element that ties all the random crap together?

>>95912197
don't think that Africa is a big market for this stuff so christian values aren't a high priority

>>95916113
Meds.

>>95905301 (OP)
Looks like something out of Star Citizen.

>>95919784
Nta but the mehreen would have to be taller as the groin is too close to the armor (no padding), and same for the armpits (they clip the armor)

>>95914625
>milscifi
Military scifi?

>has the reading level of a ten year old.
Do you know any (obscure or not) franchise that is good?

>>95914870
Ok, thanks anon.

>>95914827
The worst thing is right now is a plague in scifi,
>google scifi armor artowrk
>details in details
>it never explained why or for what are use those things

Why the phobia of minimalism and harmony in scifi?

>>95916887
>The writing is repulsively bad
Why? How could they fix it?

>>95914183
WoW is shit and it used simple names because Warcraft fans are extremely unintelligent. I broadly agree with you on overly grandiose names, though.

>>95905301 (OP)
Fuck right off Shill

>>95920917
>I broadly agree with you on overly grandiose names, though.
Thanks, anon.

>>95905301 (OP)
>space-late-stage-techno-feudal-capitalism

>>95920795
They can't. I'm a contrarian fuckwit who calls anything I don't like bad because it's not what I would write. They should hire me to write their setting for them.

>>95922558
At least didn't at the whole "theocratic-fascistic-patriarchy".

>>95922558
At least, they didn't add the whole "theocratic-fascistic-patriarchy".

>>95905338
It's not even, OP is just a baiting retard. The website just says "dark scifi", nowhere does it say grimdark.

That said, the designs seem bland and uninspired. The space marines just look like space marines without the gothic trim and the aliens just look like Halo Elites with an extra pair of arms clumsily grafted on.

>>95915303
You're not, and that's intentional. Blaze Troopers were the RotS game's 'Heavy' enemy for the clones that serve as the counterpart-and-replacement for the B2 Grapple droid.

By contrast, the 'light' equivalent, the Clone Assassin Trooper, can do its little flips right off a fucking cliff.

>>95926202
>He can't see the secondary arms supporting the primary arms
>He comes to a conclusions then seeks justification for it
>HE
>IS
>CHUD

>>95926202
>https://www.instagram.com/project.morningstar/?hl=es
>"A sci-fi military "grimdark" universe in the making."

>https://www.patreon.com/morningstarproject/about?
>Morningstar is the product of a desire to create an entirely new "grimdark" genre universe.

>>95926202
>OP is just a baiting retard. The website just says "dark scifi", nowhere does it say grimdark.

>https://www.instagram.com/project.morningstar/?hl=es
>"A sci-fi military "grimdark" universe in the making."

>https://www.patreon.com/morningstarproject/about?
>Morningstar is the product of a desire to create an entirely new "grimdark" genre universe.

Anon, OP was right, you're the massive retard here.

>>95928642
>He can't see the secondary arms supporting the primary arms
What part of "with an extra pair of arms clumsily grafted on" do you not understand?

>>95931158
The part where the arms are positioned to actually do things instead of flail around as if they were added on as a last-minute thought to make them look more alien.

>>95912899

Imagine putting two M16's together but having to use a magazine for each one even though you can fire both with one trigger.

That seems dumber than just giving the power armored dude a bigger gun.

>>95931308
Would be nice to have AP in one mag and incendiary in the other. Just in case.

>>95931308
Weirder things have happened.

>>95931333
Yes, I'm aware. But remember that this thing is temu 40k so it lacks the appealing charm of absurdity.

In anycase, I was looking for an image I had of a bunch of SMGs hooked up under a plane. Instead, you'll get enclave armor being covered in ERA bricks.

>>95905301 (OP)
>40k-like but without the darkness of its universe plus "space-late-stage-techno-feudal-capitalism", despite it's classified as "grimdark" by its creators.
Sounds extra cringe.

>>95929833
>a desire to create an entirely new "grimdark" genre universe
With this premise, you would think that they would stir clear from anything looking too much like 40k.
The first time I saw that video, I thought it came from one of these 40k mini series.
>>95912156
>What other concepts?
Everything is taking place within the Solar system, which means large scale destruction feels a lot more consequential and tragic, because it's our home being destroyed.
Transhumanism and posthumanism. There are monsters out there and they used to be humans
Embrace the totalitarian ramifications of omnipresent AIs and computers, Sid Meyer's Alpha Centauri "we must dissent" style
If there are aliens around, they are *really* weird.
Future war is horribly dehumanising and not heroic at all
There's plenty of options really
>What other ways to implement power armor?
Power armour is Stormtroopers, but done right and scary (Jin-Roh style)
Power armour is a small mecha (Appleseed style)
Power armour isn't an armour at all, it's a cyborg body (Adam Smasher style)
Power armour is a mix between a tank, a helicopter and an infantry, it can equip small nuclear warhead as weapons (book-Starship Troopers style)

>>95935032
>would steer clear from anything looking too much like 40k
Hell of a thing to begin making something by bringing in lawyers to tell you what you can and cannot make.

>>95935055
Instead they could've just brought in someone with original ideas and made something based on that.

>>95906464
The problem is 40k players are retards. So when they "get tired" of 40k and try to move on to other games, all they do is bitch and moan about how much the other game isn't like 40k. Basically, they still want to play 40k, just not in the 40k setting or with 40k models. So that forces all these other companies to make their games more like 40k if they want any chance of it succeeding.

This is unironically why 40k players should be gatekept from the rest of the wargaming hobby. All those faggots focus shit up the hobby for everyone else.

>>95935233
This is what happens when you tell players to wear deodorant, btw. They go onto 4chan to screech at people without the threat of being physically removed.

>>95914870
It's also meaningless detail. Greebles for the sake of not having a flat surface.

>>95908530
I liked the one with the shoulder lamps.

>>95935255
That's to cater to the new age painter that only uses contrast/speedpaints. Those paints perform poorly on flat surfaces which is why model designers are eliminating as many flat surfaces as they can from their designs.

>>95922928
>nooo I worked really hard on that you can't just say it's bad
Is this a game or just a line of models? Are there rules? Why wouldn't you want me to know that?

>>95935377
Because you've already made up your mind that this is something you have no interest in. You're here to bait responses so you don't have to articulate a reason why you don't like the setting, instead just pointing to anonymous comments on 4chan and treating them like the sole audience for why you don't like it.

>>95905301 (OP)
I honestly do not understand why companies keep making not!Warhammer. Who are these products for?

People who like Warhammer will buy Warhammer. People who don't won't buy your not!Warhammer.

So who is going to buy this to begin with?

>>95931308
Looks like the pseudo-science behind the gun is on Patreon. Looks like what I'd expect. But given that it says the gun switches between the two feeds instead of firing simultaneously; It'd be empty mag1, switch to mag2, swap mag1 before mag2 runs dry, empty mag2, switch to mag1, swap mag2 before mag1 runs dry, repeat from step1.

>>95935952
You'd imagine swapping a magazine for different rounds would be simpler than designing two guns strapped together.

>>95936245
Wouldn't let you keep firing whilst you replenish your ammo though. In the end its the OT silliness when the hyper in hyper-violence takes control. Its also the reason why the integrated daggers in the suits can pump a gas/liquid into the wound.

>>95905301 (OP)
I'll be honest I am amazed that the usual suspects haven't come out screaming like an dying dog after the reveal the Barakan (Space-marine expy) can be men or women.

>>95936310
Per the description, the other gun is for special purpose munitions.

>>95912667
I doubt that Iron hands take off their armor that often so might as well get a pair of huge arms

>>95936310
>I'll be honest I am amazed that the usual suspects haven't come out screaming like an dying dog after the reveal the Barakan (Space-marine expy) can be men or women.
Nobody cares what you do with your own setting, retard. Honestly you sound a little disappointed you can't grift off them.

>>95936397
ACTUALLY, that the typical usage. The scenario I've given could be atypical usage.

>>95936944
>sound a little disappointed you can't grift off them
Thanks for the projection, but I've got enough home cinemas.

>>95936956
>no u!
I accept your concession.

Only one person in this conversation felt the need to leave a parting message, and it wasn't >>95936956. Accept the fact you saw yourself in another's message and hated it enough to lash out. It just might make you less of a bitch.

>>95936971
>so assmad you forgot how to reply
You really are just confirming my guess here.

>>95935055
Not for legal reasons, just to make it clear that you are not just another 40k expy, like Space King, but really something new

>>95937022
I'd think creativity would be more constrained if you went into the process consciously thinking about how to diverge it from something else. And people would still draw parallels.

>>95922558
Oooh I can't wait to hear the deep lore for why they're fighting the planetary-people's-anarcho-primativist-monarchy

>>95914183
>One word, nothing more nothing less, simple and perfect.
Or boring and generic. Try reading something like "The Republic must fight The Syndicate to stop The Entity from spreading The Blight" without rolling your eyes. Even Warcraft used slightly more descriptive terms for the full faction names, like "Burning Legion" or "Orcish Horde" or "Undead Scourge" back in the day.

No one gives a fuck about 40k heartbreakers

>>95937047
That's clearly what they did though, and that's half the reason people complain about this stuff. They're very plainly created a knockoff product by tweaking parts here and there to make something legally distinct.