>kills abaddon and his lieutenants singlehandedly
how did GW react to this?

>>95906703 (OP)
They did.

>>95906703 (OP)
What do you mean "How did GW react to this?". It's an imaginary story made up by GW designed to promote the sale of little toy soldiers. Do you think they are documenting real accounts, you dilllusional tool?

Its a non canon AU story of a third party publisher that wont ever be mentioned again in any way, shape or form

They signed the deal, got their cash and moved on to the next thing.

>>95906703 (OP)
>how did GW react to this?
Considering this game came out 6 years ago?

Utterly uncaring

>>95906703 (OP)
Probably seethed since the GW writers all jerk off to chaos.
>noooooooo you cant just have the imperium use common sense and strategy thats not GRIM and DARK enough chud!!!!

>>95906916
That the imperium could win overwhelmingly if it had even a child's IQ but can't because something something chuds won't be missed will always be hilarious.

>>95906916
You are projecting, anon. Its obviously Chaos having a win over the imperium a few times makes (you) seethe

>>95906703 (OP)
Pretty well I say, they collected their cash and left.
You know it's licensed GW product with developers and their OC acting as alt universe and alt story to main 40k narrative with prior GW approval. This is why you have 4 non canon campaigns, that while fun never happened outside this self contained game.

>>95906799
>It's an imaginary story
Retard.

>>95907015
>projecting
>fantasy world: chaos win
>sci fi universe: chaos is winning
yeah that's what i call projecting

>>95906916
the whole point of the imperium is that it's a crumbling feudal empire run by a dozen different competing groups who hate each other only slightly less then they hate chaos and aliens. It's a dysfunctional shithole surviving off of weight of numbers and inertia.

>>95907015
>>95906916
>Nooo GW jerks it to Imperium! They're winning too much!
>Nooo GW jerks it to Chaos! They're winning too much!
You guys are getting wins?

>>95907254
Imperiumfags are retarded, literally every single battle in the entire setting is
>The imperium won....but at great cost

>>95907244
that point ha been made over and over, now is the time to clean up the mess and enter a new age of renaissance for humanity.

>>95907301
Forty keks, this isn't star trek. The only reneissance will be the one Byzantines and Abbasids got.

>>95906703 (OP)
Remember when GW said they would revive Battlefleet Gothic and as part of its Specialist games relaunch and then never did that? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

>>95907301
>see setting about a dying, gothic empire fighting against innumerable horrors across the stars
>"hmmmm.....I'm a fan and can't wait for it to be an optimistic story about humanity's revival!
Fuck off secondary

This thread doesn't make sense.

The game has multiple ending where Necrons, Tyranids, AND Chaos wins and kill major characters.
Why focus on the Imperial ending?

>>95907557
you fuck off you stupid nigger, nobody asked for your opinion and noone ever will.

>>95907598
Secondary mad

>ITT
>"Imperium should win everything and 40k should have zero stakes because...because I said so!!!! GW just hates chuds!"

Are you imperiboos really this retarded?

>>95907218
Breaking news, anon. Chaos isnt winning. No one is winning. Its a setting that exists to sell toy soldiers, so no one will ever win, unless GW wants another setting reset for pure buisness reasons.

>>95907298
But anon, can't you see? That's NOT ENOUGH! Imperiumfags will only be satisfied when returned loyalist primarchs canonically genocide all other factions, give all imperial orphans a free puppy, and then say a heckin' wholesome reddit chungus marvel one-liner for them to soiface over

>>95907596
Cause it's bait, and in any conflict the Imperium is the one that has the most to lose, even if it's just on paper due to how fucking huge it is, so they're more sensitive to their characters being squatted by narrative. Necrons can rebuild themselves, Tyranids can eventually recover, and Chaos outright brags about the fact that they can just pop out of the warp to try again perpetually no matter how embarrassing their initial defeat is. It's why the writers hand more victories to the Imperium overall, because the playerbase's autism refuses to just let the writers ignore deaths in the fluff or introduce second cousins of models they killed off to fill their spots.

Start killing GW employees until GW is forced to reset the fluff back to pre-8th era and brings back Imperial Armour. It's the only way to fix 40k

>>95907753
Start killing Disney employees until Disney is forced to bring back the old EU and fires Dave Filoni. It's the only way to fix Star Wars

>>95907218
>fantasy world: chaos win
Chaos didnt win for any story reason, Chaos won because some suit who doesnt even know what Chaos is said "alright, we gonna transition the old IP into the new AoS IP. Make it happen."

And so they made it happen in a way that ended the setting and allowed them to switch it forth to the Mortal Realms, where everything began anew. The narrative didnt matter one bit in any of this.

>>95907772
>anon is still continuing is autistic meltdown
We know this isn't real anon, you're like the tard that when someone says
>Yeah we did X in the game
You say
>Erm....no that wasn't real dude, it was a GAME
You aren't clever, you aren't telling anyone anything they don't already know. You're just an annoying autist.

>>95907833
Chaos being declared the winner was legitimately the most boring outcome possible by way of saying "Chaos is always destined to win", especially since they already tried to have Chaos smash the Old World to pieces in Storm of Chaos and botched it

>>95907862
Wrong, you idiot. Why would they were going squat fantasy when it was selling the most? Storm of Chaos was meant to be something like the Gathering Storm in 40K. An event that creates a new status quo for the setting. If Chaos won, then GW would write a more grimdark WHFB status quo. When the Imperials won, GW wrote a more hopeful WHFB.

GW didn't like the new lore direction since it wasn't *Warhammer*, so they retconned it.

The founders of both WHFB and 40K said the Chaos is the canonical ending of both 40K and WHFB because it fits the themes the most.

>>95907946
"Lol chaos wins because it's grimdark" is boring as shit, I'm sorry anon

>>95908008
>DUDE WHAT IF HUMANITY WON THEN IT IS HUMANITY FUCK YEAH LIKE MY EBIN 4CHANNEL MEMES????

>>95908062
Considering I'd be cool if the orks, necrons, or tyranids somehow became the top dogs, let alone the Eldar actually fucking over Chaos hard in the ass at great cost to themselves, you're just making yourself look far more pathetic, man.

>>95906703 (OP)
>Kills tons of dark eldar inside Commraggh
>kills a whole warband of Word Bearers'
>fight tons of deamon as a regular guy
>Bangs a cute Navigator and a goth death cult assassin
>kills a greater deamon of tzeentch
>has a shard of the c'tan
>can dodge a necron gauss shot and kill most of them with his merry band of misfits
How did GW react to the Rogue Trader protagonist

>>95908187
Dollar signs in their eyes

>>95908295
exactly. still no Eldar or xeno waifu tho because that's haram

>>95907244
>dozen different competing groups who hate each other
that's also Chaos, but they are GW's pet, so...

>>95906703 (OP)
Funny how playing that game makes you realise that the Imperial Navy is probably the single most important fighting force in the whole Imperium.

>>95906916
>seething this hard still

>>95908187
They can sell models to tens of imperial agents fans

>>95908187
*Sexually haresses an autistic Inquisitorial Acoltye who just wants to play Regicide.

>>95908187
I imagine they heard a Ka-CHING and signed the paperwork without a second thought.

>>95907596
>Why focus on the Imperial ending?
Cause its the main campaign dingus

>>95909055
It's not...
It's one choice of four.

>>95909741
Except it's the most fleshed out by far. You have 3 different rosters, multiple choices throughout, get high-tier units like Roboute Guilliman, and so on.

Compare that to Necrons, Tyranids, or Chaos, who only have little gimmicks to offset their single roster gameplay.

>>95906703 (OP)
The only thing that should matter in a spacefaring setting like 40k should be the navy.
The ability to do flips and shoot cool guns and swing a cool sword is unimportant when you can bombard an entire planet from orbit and turn it into glass.

Star Wars New Hope is literally about this tension. What does nobility and spirituality matter when you have the technological capability to destroy an entire planet?

The Halo novels understood this as well. No matter how cool the Spartans were, or how dominant they were on land, humanity was still getting crushed by the Covenant due to their space supremacy.

>>95908533
>GW's pet
>haven't gotten a good codex since 3.5
>world eaters and emperor's children have pathetic model ranges
>not threatening at all in the lore
>constantly murdered in artwork
>nurgle got literally assraped by big E himself in a BL novel

Sure pal

>>95907596
I'm still angry we didn't get ork or united elfdar campaign.

>>95909938
The ability to glass a planet is unimportant when you want to keep that planet, or want to molest the population.

>>95910345
No. You are wrong. It is still very important. If I can glass the entire planet, then I can glass any part of it as well.

That would be enough coercive power to pretty much convince anyone of anything.

Oh you don't want to pay your taxes? How about I turn that little uninportant city into a radioactive slagheap. Feel like paying them now?

>>95906703 (OP)
He probably fucked the Eldar twink on the craftworld he killed an Inquisitor rather than destroy too.

>>95908187
You forgot about having dream sex with a Eldar

>>95910416
>devastates the planet for generations if not permanently
>taxes go down
This is some pol pot tier thinking.

>>95909938
>The ability to do flips and shoot cool guns and swing a cool sword is unimportant when you can bombard an entire planet from orbit and turn it into glass.
Remember that any gun and shield generator you put on starship you can put on planet x10. Assaulting planets isn't easy because developed planets have fucking orbital defence batteries, silos, void shields and space stations, making assault very costly at best. In old apocalypse there was mission of csm assaulting Imperial orbital defence laser because it was blocking acess and threaten to seriously damage fucking Planet Killer, one of biggest and badsdest starships there are.This is what marines were build for, they have heavy ships with poor ship to ship weapons but very good guns for shooting at planet, ships also have heaviest armour possible to take hit from planet without crumbling apart.
Might I remind you that battle of Prospero happened because Tizca survived exterminatus from entire space wolves fleet and planetfall was only option.
Having ship with big guns don't matter because you can put even more and bigger guns, more bigger shields and more plasma reactors on planet than you could on fleet of ships.

>>95907946
>>95908008
Not either anon but chaos winning is boring because chaos itself is fucking boring. It's literally evil 4 teh lulz that gets wanked off because the writers are washed-up edgy punk-boomers.

>>95906799
>It's an imaginary story
Aren't they all?

>>95913309
This is more imaginary, because it isn't referenced outside it's own game, other GW imaginary stories get referenced in other imaginary stories.

>>95909938
Master chief just punched all the covenants leaders to death and won.
Luke won specifically because the empire thought having the biggest baddest space station that could blow up anything meant they were invulnerable.
These are probably the worst examples you could find. You're justifying pure space superiority with two factions that had space superiority and lost.

>>95909938
That’s only if you don’t care about what’s on the planet. The Halo setting works the way it does because the Covenant is waging a campaign of extermination, and ground engagements happen because they want to recover Forerunner artifacts, and then they glass the planet once that’s achieved, or if the artifact is destroyed. Chaos and the Imperium are fighting over infrastructure and populations, and use Exterminatus when they think they can no longer accomplish that in order to deny it to the enemy. Admittedly, the calculations are different when it comes to Xenos.
>>95910416
That coercive power only works if no one calls your bluff, and if it’s not a bluff you should have done it already, or at least made a demonstration to prove it.

>>95909938
>>95910416
>The only thing that should matter in a spacefaring setting like 40k should be the navy.
>The ability to do flips and shoot cool guns and swing a cool sword is unimportant when you can bombard an entire planet from orbit and turn it into glass.
>If I can glass the entire planet, then I can glass any part of it as well.
>That would be enough coercive power to pretty much convince anyone of anything.
>Oh you don't want to pay your taxes? How about I turn that little uninportant city into a radioactive slagheap. Feel like paying them now?
And now we take a look at how well this played out against towelheads hiding in caves in good ol Afghanistan.

Oh, right. It didnt.

Reminder that not every spacefaring society consists of butchering bastards that function on "i will commit mass murder for any reason imaginable and neither the galactic community, nor other spacefaring powers, nor my own populace or internal political factions will give a fuck"

>>95910416
>Oh you don't want to pay your taxes? How about I turn that little uninportant city into a radioactive slagheap. Feel like paying them now?
This is how a tyrannical villain faction behaves. You have a thousand forms of societys and government that would be absolutely abhorred by someone acting this way and would do their utmost to fight and/ or overthrow them.

>>95906703 (OP)
>abandonware that won't even boot on my 3 year old system

>>95913714
Imperium, Tau and to lesser extent, Necron: It's *our* planet, we're not going to blow it up unless we absolutely have to, fuck off
Chaos & deldar: there are people to murder/rape/enslave/screw with down there, why would we just kill them from orbit?
Orks: 'DER'S FIGHT'N' DOWN 'DER, KRUMP'N DEM FROM SPACE IZ NO FUN
Tyranid: We're an exterminatus, just more personal one. Nom nom nom.
Eldar: I'm not sure we even have the means to kill a planet anymore.

>>95917021
Eldar would trick someone else into doing it for them if they deem it necessary.

>>95906703 (OP)
I always figured the game was canon until after you recapture Mordak Prime (since I don't think it's held by Orkz in the lore) and then went on its own route to wrap the campaign up because "And then the Grand Admiral fought a tireless and rigorous campaign against the enemies of man for another 50 years" would be a boring climax.
Spire is one of the cooler recent 40k characters so I hope he's canon, at least. Just a guy doing his job who happens to be pretty skilled at it and understands the nuances of waging a sector-wide war.

>>95917021
>>95917223
the Dark Eldar are sitting on a pile of pre-fall superweapons that they can't use because they don't have psychic abilities, and they stole a star in the Rogue Trader vidya at the end of the first act, and they've stolen planets to bring back to Commorragh, so chances are either the CWE have something of that magnitude squirreled away somewhere, or they could borrow one.

>>95918219
Craftworld Eldar have "Virus Bomb but better" biological agents that can scour all undesired life from a planet in preparation for founding a colony, but cultural taboos prevent them from weaponising it. Biel Tan is apparently the only craftworld in canon to deploy it as a battlefield weapon because they're all complete lunatics compared to everyone else.

>>95917021
Eldar do have means to destroy planets and even to turn off stars, they don't use it because why bother, untill they use it, like that one time something happened and task force from something like 7 craftworld appeared and turned out stars in entire sector.
But Craftworlders don't have need to blow up planets, they don't care about planets outside maiden worlds they don't want anyone to touch. Dark Eldar on other hand don't like blowing planets up because it means they can't torture it's entire population to death, there still are examples od DEldar fucking planets over, blowing one up to cover failed raid and not lose respect in commorragh, stealing entire planet full of tyranids and puting it in commorragh or turning star off in rogue trader game.

>>95920563
Okay lets open the Valedor campaign book.
hmm...It says that while the Eldar can purge planets of life, they lack the means to destroy planets.

This game was great at showing how OP GW has made the Necrons. So no name Necron usurps his dynast (so minor it’s never mentioned anywhere else) and uses his ragtag fleet to kill Guilliman, Abaddon, all Eldar and Orks in the area, and then he literally seals the eye of Terri by flipping a couple of switches. At least the crons are in a civil war now. 40k can be retarded but it’s really hard to hand wave the Necrons not just deleting everything, everywhere.

>>95906703 (OP)
None of the 40k video games are canon at all.

>>95920841
Except the Eye of Terror, you do the same thing in every campaign, just switching factions a bit. You also kill Guilliman and destroy the fucking Phalanx as a random Chaos Lord.

>>95920650
literally doesnt matter, the next time a writer wants CWE to destroy a work, they will write "oh yeah, they totally have world destroying super plasma hyper bombs in the depth of their craftworld. They have used them since the fall in times of dire need"

And they wont give a single fuck about any previous source stating otherwise

>>95906916
You want common sense and IQ go watch Star Fags or something for le science faggots. We be clearing minefields with human legs of the faithless (they faithfull won't step in mines)

>>95918179
From Codex: Adeptus Mechanicus

>>95909938
That's a misconception from midwits who think they're smarter than they are.

At the level of advanced technology where you have interstellar spacecraft sieging and bombarding planets, for every powerful orbital weapon you can shoot down at them, they will have bigger, deadlier, better armored weapons down on the planet surface shooting up at you, and they can have way more ammo stored up because they don't need to spend fuel to move it around in space. You need a fleet millions of ships strong to actually challenge a planet unless you have some kind of super-weapon like the death star or planet killer, which is why those are so important. A random dozen destroyers in orbit isn't going to do jack fucking shit against a fortified planet that actually has anti-orbital defenses. At that point you need to land ground forces and try to capture or disable their guns.

>>95920563
Also genociding too many people at once seems to stir up the Warp, so CWE are careful about overdoing it

>>95906703 (OP)
Started playing the campaign from 2 again. Didn't remember the invasion being so annoying.

>>95929604
Static AA emplacements making aircraft obsolete?
Planets can't dodge until you are at the tech level where you don't need planets. Static defenders are always the underdog if they cede the airspace or the solar system.

>>95909938
>le glass!
From this one word I instantly knew it was a halofag sperging about how 40k isn't tacticool enough, yet again, and he didn't even make it to the end of the post without explicitly confirming it. Why are console shooter zoomers like this?

This game legit sucks ass without mods, but i like it cause it's the only one where you can kill Emil "trigger happy" Darkhammer

>>95918219
>ark Eldar are sitting on a pile of pre-fall superweapons that they can't use because they don't have psychic abilities
This has never made any sense when it's also said that Eldar go and become Dark Eldar. What, do their psychic abilities turn off the moment they decide to start wearing something spikey?

>>95907254
Kek
Need a meme of the kid from meet the millers with an eldar face on it

>>95935014
>What, do their psychic abilities turn off the moment they decide to start wearing something spikey?
Yes. Don't think about the lore too hard, especially regarding stuff like superweapons or cultural issues that never appear in-game.

>>95933604
>Static AA emplacements making aircraft obsolete?
Aircraft are kind of are being replaced by long-ranged missiles and drones in certain warzones/potential warzones for this very reason

>Planets can't dodge
They can have extremely powerful energy shields though, and lots of weaponry that have at least as long a range as ship mounted ones

40k isn't star wars, the logistics of warp travel are difficult so a highly developed world with advanced defenses and massive stockpiles has certain advantages. Given the sheer scale of the 40k setting, the attacker often wins if he is able to pull together a large enough fleet, but then you have to balance the need to take one world with the fact that lots of ships will be in transit for months instead of doing things in their normal areas of operation

>>95937065
Static defense that would make aircraft obsolete would also make missiles and drones obsolete. Russia/Ukraine is a conflict where neither side is powerful enough to gain air superiority unlike US/Israel vs Iran.
>>95937065
Shields in 40k are magic that also block teleportation and if planetary defense systems could stop space fleets they logically would also completely wipe out transports. The real reason land battles are so important in 40k is because that's what the game is about, not one that would apply to sci-fi settings in general.

>>95937154
>Static defense that would make aircraft obsolete would also make missiles and drones obsolete
Except Russia and Ukraine both use missiles and drones all the time. Ukrainian static defenses shoot down 90% of what enters their core airspace. Russia accepts it will lose 90% of its missiles and long range drones, but aircraft are a lot more expensive and only economical if you are able to reuse them a bunch of times

>Russia/Ukraine is a conflict where neither side is powerful enough to gain air superiority unlike US/Israel vs Iran
And they have air superiority partially because Iran's surface to air defenses are mostly smoking craters right now thanks to long range missiles

>Shields in 40k are magic that also block teleportation and if planetary defense systems could stop space fleets they logically would also completely wipe out transports. The real reason land battles are so important in 40k is because that's what the game is about, not one that would apply to sci-fi settings in general.
The usual plotline (when one of GW's slightly more competent writers is handling the story) is that shields only cover part of the planet, and it is cheaper to land troops in the unshielded parts than waste a bunch of ordinance trying to pummel the shields until they overload. Other sci-fi and science fantasy settings like Star Wars and Star Trek often uses similar plot points.

On the rare occasion when the whole planet is covered in shields, it takes lots of infrastructure to supply the shields, so either sneak in and do a sabotage mission or pummel one small section of the planet until the shields fail, then land a bunch of troops

If I was in charge of GW's writing, I'd run the main plot based on Steam achievement data for which endings in the vidya most players got.

>>95937319
Yes, that is the point They use missiles and drones because the defenses (which aren't actually that static on this scale of warfare) can't shoot them down to stop them from having effect and they would use planes if they were more advanced. Israel shot Iranian defenses with missiles from aircraft more advanced than what are used in Ukraine and Iran couldn't stop either.

Going back to 40k planetary defenses, the idea that people can land transports but can't bombard the place with warships doesn't really make sense, but is part of the point of the setting to get those land battles. Chaos and Imperials could theoretically sneak transports through each other's defenses with subterfuge (which is common in Star Wars) but it wouldn't work with xenos.
We of course can further demonstrate that space superiority actually works in 40k when narrative demands, there is a long-established example of planetary defenses being so strong that land invasion with Imperium's best is impossible but a sufficient kinetic attack from space (a rock no less, so if they are not free they still aren't too expensive when it counts) still working to destroy the civilization being targeted (Adrantis V in Macharian crusades, been in the lore all the way since 3e).

>>95938542
>>95937319
To wit, most land battles happen because the attackers want to recover the planet with the most resources intact.

>>95938542
>Going back to 40k planetary defenses, the idea that people can land transports but can't bombard the place with warships doesn't really make sense
1 - important stuff under shields
2 - outside shields is empty land or stuff not worth bombing (except maybe some AA guns and other defenses)
3 - park big ships outside range of planet's big guns (if the planet even has any)
4 - send waves of landers to land in unshielded areas (anti-air/lander defenses in many sci-fi/science fantasy setting tend to be pretty shit and short ranged, particularly in 40k, though you will lose some landers if there is enough of them)
5 - troops fight their way to get under shields and eventually disable them

Fortifying every inch of a planet is possible but most developed worlds like hive worlds cluster key infrastructure and main defenses in a few locations (hives), which basically forces opponents to commit to a ground invasion instead of just bombing from orbit if all they want to do is destroy key assets rather than take the planet.

>>95938568
But yeah, a lot of times the fight is to capture the entire planet relatively intact.

>>95906703 (OP)
This is from the same game where you just casually destroy the Phalanx in the chaos campaign

>>95906703 (OP)
>singlehandedly
Not really, the mechanicus helped a lot i shot those fuckers to shit with nova cannons

>>95906916
>common sense and strategy
I just load up on space marine ships and unga bunga into boarding range at maximum speed. It works pretty well.

>>95906703 (OP)
>agoodon

>>95906799
this

>>95907015
this