Why do so few people truly appreciate this conceptual masterpiece? It's funny, very provocative, and incredibly well thought out. While I was creating characters, I laughed for a long time.

<b> So, why haven't you tried F.A.T.A.L. yet? </b>

People mostly meme the ridiculous character creation process, but the game mechanic itself wasn't that bad. Just a Rolemaster with a bell curve roll.

>>95907902
In fact, the game is very interesting even at the character creation level; sometimes you end up with such ridiculous combinations that I would call it a separate single-player mode. It's a pity that all my friends refuse to play it because of their prejudices.

>>95907870 (OP)
DAILY REMINDER!

>>95908025
Byron Hall is in prison for peddling meth and raping a minor in front of a toddler.

Considering the way the game's absolutely horrendous mathematics curve, you're more likely to end up as some gormless uneducated peasant or slave who is destined to die of venereal disease or getting tetanus from stepping on a nail than actually accomplish anything than anything interesting worth playing. And while I can't account for taste from the kind of people who bait this shit all the time, I think it's obvious why the vast majority of the planet would have zero interest in such a game.

>b-b-b-but Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay
You've at least got the chance to maybe punt a Snotling to death in that game as a gormless peasant, it'd probably take you hours to actually kill yourself in FATAL

>>95908039
>Source I made it all up

Either way there is no escaping that the SJW hub that is RPG.NET literally got triggered and made nonsense statements who got shot down by Byron and after this they continued to obsess and get more crazy.

Once again everyone who hates on fatal is either a sheep indoctrinated into hating it with literally paper thin arguments who can not work.
>Making a character takes forever! LEL
Argument destroyed!

Or some idiot who can not figure anything out.
Daily reminder that D&D was played the wrong way for years since no one really understood the rules and Gygaxes instructions are pure schizophrenia.

>>95908079
Source
https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/crime/2015/02/13/hamilton-man-charged-kidnap-rape-year-old/23357857/

>>95908079
If making a character is so easy, then do it right now in this thread or no balls

>>95908039
>>95908089
Wrong Byron Hall. Real Byron recently moved from CT.
Also his first name isn't Byron. That's his middle name.

>>95907870 (OP)
You have to go back.

>>95908089
welp /thread, give it up OP

>>95908025
That Fatal dev and fans have brain damage? Needing a computer to make a character (who will probably be unplayable anyway) without wanting to kill yourself is not something you want to bring up as a "selling point"

>>95908079
Crying about the SJW boogeyman is not going to make Fatal any less of unplayable crap

>>95908048
>it'd probably take you hours to actually kill yourself in FATAL
And to crazy town we go!
No it takes seconds

Either way the game is officially unfinished (RPG.net literally SJW chimped out to a pre release version of the game) and what he did show raises some questions

For example what does it mean that my character has racial hatred? Do you mean literally foaming at the mouth will kill the Xeno for the emperor 40K hatred or like LOTR dwarfs hate elves hatred?

How can I form a party when my other team mates rolled literally a isolationist mountain cave monster who eats children all day and has no other interests or even a concept of a society?

It is cool if you want to make a racist world full of man/children eating monsters however do you expect me to actually let everyone in the party roll a random race making it unplayable?

You did say this can be ignored.. then why did you dedicate to dedicate like 20 pages to this aspect of randomly having a race.. Should this not be in some funny side adventure expansion idea?

Also what do you mean I have to roll for my place in life?
most will role slaves... so what is the adventure here? We are good slaves until we die? OR do we try to kill our slave master and escape? There is no real alternative or how is this supposed to be played?

Also the body fitness -> Role in life is ass backwards it should be Role in life ->body fitness since someone who has no arms or is blind will be euthanized as a child slave and not magically get the position of slave acrobat entertainer

These are serious questions to the more convoluted game description presented.
Either way the guy got bullied and flooded with nonsense SJW shit like RPG.net mods schizo ranting about their DBZ condoms and other shit while he did actually answer the only valid question RPG.net cultists ever presented and that is a extremely long character creation process

Byron sounds autistic in his obsession so no wounder he wrote questionable things

>>95908161
>And to crazy town we go!
>No it takes seconds
Then prove it.
Roll up a character, and show all the rolls and math involving the character punching themselves to death.

>>95908097
>If making a character is so easy, then do it right now in this thread or no balls
OK.

Using the generator:
https://pastebin.com/ZFNn7pqp

Do you wish for me to make more of them?

What part of use the generator did you not understand? I swear fatal haters are retarded as fuck!

Guys, you are the most boring people that could have been born. F.A.T.A.L. is just the best game for a fun evening with friends.
I even planned to make a computer game using the F.A.T.A.L. system.

>>95908144
>Crying about the SJW boogeyman
NO NO NO.
Not only is the LGBT flag the official logo of RPG.NET now their only freaked out because
>THIS GAME IS MISOGYNY AND WANTS YOU TO RAPE WOMAN
Or they are simply insane.
Pick your poison.

>>95908198
No, as in actually roll it up by hand. Anyone can use a generator, do it by hand you coward.

>>95908198
Thanks for admitting Fatal is such unplayable shit that you need a computer to get the game started.
>>95908208
Everyone with a brain picks calling you retarded.

>>95908208
I mean the game has tables dedicated to rape and chargen creates multiple stats for your character's ass and genitals, so it apparently is supposed to be a game mechanic you are expected to engage with in some manner.

>>95908181
>character punching themselves to death.
Why this instead of jumping of a cliff?
Either way there was a guy who made characters and tried some combat and his opinion was that the combat is super fast once you get a hang of how it works with its names and all.

MY real question about the combat is why the game is obsessed with combat while the game mechanics will fuck you over and give you a permanent crippling disability if you try to engage in it. Keep in mind you supposed to (???) start as a SLAVE not some knight or lord with equipment and training.

I really like to see some sample scenarios for the most generic adventures. Since the combat is not the LOL cow of D&D where no one knows what even is going on with HP and the characters do not get crippling damage or even pain. The game also is not one of the games where you have 1HP and play some insane gunslinger who has the skill to kill everyone in 1 shot before they draw their gun.

The game actually models losing fingers and with no natural regeneration like this is attack on titan or regeneration potions around every corner this is a problem.

These are real problems or questions I like him to answer however it is to late for all of this. The guy got bombarded by literal crazy rents about how
>My sister rapes my mother therefore fatal is bad!
And quit.
No one plays this game and figuring it out takes a long time.

The only good from it is to use it as a spotlight to show the absolute insane parts of this community LOOK ANOTHER CRAZY:
>>95908222
>No, as in actually roll it up by hand.
You are retarded, like fucked in the head retarded.

What part of Byron Hall THE CREATOR OF THE FUCKEN GAME tells you:
>USE THE CHARACTER GENERATOR
Did you fail to understand? Like is your retarded brain unable to process this statement? You keep on repeating this over and over like you are some bot.

>>95908048
Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay is also simultaneously more realistic and more interesting in its character generation since your character background comes with an array of skills that could be useful (i.e. the Fisherman in WHFRP knows how to use a knife and/or a club, navigate waterways, steer a boat, and of course catch fish), while in FATAL the classes are more half-baked than your friend's D&D homebrew (the Fisherman in FATAL literally only has fishing as a skill)

>>95908282
>Why this instead of jumping of a cliff?
Cause I want to see you do it

>You keep on repeating this over and over
Cause I want to see you actually do it, fucker, since you claim the system is so easy to work with

>>95908244
>that you need a computer
I do not have a problem with that.

Is this the hill you are willing to die on? You need lots of things for other RPGs like tokens or dice.
> to get the game started.
And presumably after you get the character it is not more difficult then D&D.
Not that I know since you need other people to play a game with you or some ideas for scenarios and the game is more complicated then other RPGs.

Out of interest I like to see this made for real however literally every attempt of this revolves into you retards shouting the same shit over and over.
Look I would not even know the game exists if not for the 900% insanity and you fagots spamming it as the
>le worst RPG ever made!
And other crap like
>Rape simulator RPG!

And your criticism are literally all void and null. If you think a game being complicated or having bizarre wording = worst RPG then D&D is the worst RPG ever made.
If you disagree give one of the books about D&D to someone who never played it and let him figure it out. None of the community who will bring in a new player, none of the endless online guide videos.
Only the books especially early editions of D&D see how that works out
>WTF is even a hit point?
>Why the fuck does this scale this way?
>What does this even mean?
>How the fuck is even spell casting supposed to work!

Because even to this day people can not wrap their head around what level of a mind fuck Vancian magic system is. Talk about over complicated! And schizo! And it is a meme at this point, like all the retarded analogies and the other people coming up with other analogies and saying the other guys are explaining it wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFrrlCStRFA

Now imagine this with no community around the game, people shitting on D&D and calling it satanism simulator. Oh and some classes can only do 1 shot of magic and then they are fucked for the rest of the game.
That is D&D for you!

>>95908310
>since you claim the system is so easy to work with
No the guy who made a the goblin fight did say so.
I lost the plot like a long time ago. He tried to explain how the fulcrum point is some heavy, medium, light attack mechanic.
He did kill the goblins fast BTW.

>>95908406
Who the fuck are you even talking about, you spaz?

>>95908310
>Cause I want to see you actually do it,
How about you play a game of 40K without using any minis? All in your head.

See the problem here?

>>95908444
That analogy isn’t even comparable, even without proxying being a thing

>>95908435
>I am fucked in the head and unable to understand words
WE KNOW!

>talking about,
I try to make it simple for you
Guy on youtube made 1 character in fatal.
Guy on youtube made a fight with some goblins.
This guy says the combat is fast and it did end fast.
The video part of it was fast.

End of story!
What do you not understand?

>>95908454
40K requires you to use minis or only their bases. You need a ruler to measure movement.
Try playing a game of all of this all in your head no physical props.
Tell me how that worked out for you!

>>95908464
We're not on fucking youtube though. We're no 4chan. We don't have this magical link you're talking about. So again, what in the absolute fuck are you talking about?

>>95908479
Again, not even comparable. You're just acting incoherent.

>>95908282
>>95908161
>a fatal """fan""" trying to make sense why he totally can demonstrate how the system is acktually usable it's just that he is not feeling like doing it right now

>>95908464
>Guy on youtube
>Guy on youtube
so you haven't actually played fatal yourself?
get the fuck out then

>>95908495
>We're not on fucking youtube though
Do you want the link to his video or what?

>>95908495
>Again, not even comparable. You're just acting incoherent.
COPE! COPE!
Explain how. You are offended for needing to use a computer while shitposting to me on a computer.

You are offended that someone can use a computer to help you make your character and then print the page out for you to sue and you do not interact with a computer however somehow needing minis that cost $$$$$$ and are a direct way for you to transfer money from your wallet to GW bank account is not a problem for you!

>>95908531
>so you haven't actually played fatal yourself?
YES.

>get the fuck out then
Do you insist on me wining this argument so hard?

>While like man go and play a game who has no players!
LOL! Are you so insistent on making yourself look like the worlds biggest retard?

>>95908392
>then D&D is the worst RPG ever made.
If you're trying to find people who'll defend D&D as a good system, you'll find a very barren hill.

>>95908544
>Do you want the link to his video or what?
Considering I think you're making it up, yes.

>Explain how. You are offended for needing to use a computer while shitposting to me on a computer.
Still nigh-incomprehensible. But let me put it this way.

If you can't explain the step by step process for how a character would punch themselves to death, aka show the rolls and calculations involved in aiming an attack at themselves and succeeding until unconsciousness or death, then I don't fucking believe you that combat is simple.

There's always the ever-present sequel! FATAL 2!

It's a lil different, but works. I intend to update / change the combat system soon. I dunno that I like the hex grid after all, not for this game anyways. But I'll change it soon enough.

https://lilith-cohen.itch.io/fatal-the-end-of-humanity

FATAL is bad and all, but the reviewers going
>NOW I WANT TO KILL THE CHUDS WHO MADE THIS GAME
when confronted with the racist magical items raises a few eyebrows
You've read about baby anal circumferences and mass rapes and pure misogyny but racism is what was over the line?

>>95908518
>>a fatal """fan"""
Not a fan only reacting to you fatal haters making the worlds most retarded arguments.

>the system is acktually usable
Once again do the experiment with D&D, see how confused people will be if they only read the books. Do not pretend that people do not learn D&D from joining groups where the absolutely ass backwards and schizo rules are explained to them.

>the system is acktually usable
Yea I say making a character takes long however the guy who MADE THE GAME literally did give you a program and told you to use it so what now? What is your brilliant argument now? This criticism was spoken and he responded.

Yet decades later you retards keep on repeating the same shit over and over.

>>95908392
>And presumably after you get the character it is not more difficult then D&D.
So, according to your stated opinion, after spending two work days on generating a character, the rest of the game only is a mess that barely makes any sense in how it operates?

We'll take your endorsement under consideration.

>>95908592
>after spending two work days on generating a character
Literally less then 4 minutes with the program.
It is magical how you retards are literally unable to process this point.

>>95908599
And presuming you only had the book and not this program of yours?

>>95908599
>Literally less then 4 minutes with the program.
That's four minutes for a frumpy something that can't even be used as an NPC, yes.

>>95908604
>and not this program of yours?
How are you speaking to me now? What are you using right now? I see.
https://files.catbox.moe/wyr9yl.zip

Here is the generator. USE IT!

>of yours?
I did not make the program!

>And presuming you only had the book and not this program of yours?
OK answer this
>I want to play MTG however I have no cards?
What now MTG debunked forever?
How about
>I want to play 40K however I have no minis or bases or a ruler?
What now 40K debunked forever?

How about
>I want to play D&D however I do not have any dice?
What now D&D debunked forever?

>>95908599
Do you have the weapon attack roll program or the CD that came with the book(s) from Byron? I have only the character creator exe

>>95908282
If the creator of the game is telling you to use a generator to create a character as opposed to rolling one up, the system is dogshit.
Of course, this isn't just my opinion. It's the opinion of literally everyone who has ever heard of FATAL. Only a mentally ill turbogooner would willingly put up with the math and sheer autism that comes with FATAL.

>>95908660
>I have only the character creator exe
SAME.

>CD that came with the book(s) from Byron
I like to also get it.
FUN FACT the book did come with a CD!

>>95908644
...Anon, if the game book is so bad at being able to instruct you on how to build a character in the game, that's a massive design flaw, and a character generator program does not in fact magically fix the issue. It only highlights that it was never meant to be done by human hands in the first place, and that it was a mistake to design a game like that if the only way the creator could fix it was toss you a program to do the job instead.

And I'm going to be frank, any so-called game developer that requires you to use quadratics to create a character deserves to be shot on sight. That's just how it is.

>>95908668
>Of course, this isn't just my opinion. It's the opinion of literally everyone who has ever heard of FATAL
Official diagnosis: you are mentally insane. Did you rape yourself in the head with DBZ condoms to hard or something?

>If the creator of the game is telling you to use a generator to create a character as opposed to rolling one up, the system is dogshit.
Explain how.
See:

>and not this program of yours?
How are you speaking to me now? What are you using right now? I see.
https://files.catbox.moe/wyr9yl.zip

Here is the generator. USE IT!

>of yours?
I did not make the program!

>And presuming you only had the book and not this program of yours?
OK answer this
>I want to play MTG however I have no cards?
What now MTG debunked forever?
How about
>I want to play 40K however I have no minis or bases or a ruler?
What now 40K debunked forever?

How about
>I want to play D&D however I do not have any dice?
What now D&D debunked forever?

>>95908673
This. Creating a character in ANY RPG should be reasonable simple and straightforward. Because at the end of the day, your character is just a list of numbers. Making lists of numbers shouldn't be hard.

>>95908683
>I want to play MTG however I have no cards?
Print them from the internet
>I want to play 40K however I have no minis or bases or a ruler?
Lego pieces on graph paper
>I want to play D&D however I do not have any dice?
Make some with origami, or use a spinner you stole from Sorry!

God, you are pathetic.

>>95908683
Byron, you have created not only a shitty RPG, but the single shittiest RPG to ever have the misfortune of gracing the world. Subject matter aside, nobody is willing to even put up with the insane amout of math required to even play the damn thing.NO FUCKING BODY.

>>95908673
>...Anon, if the game book is so bad at being able to instruct you on how to build a character in the game, that's a massive design flaw
AND D&D is not?
Because D&D logic confuses people to this day.
And FATAL does not have a community who will try to cuddle and walk you over all of the D&D shit like alignment or every combat ever especially involving magic!

>and a character generator program
Why are you so triggered over this? And D&D requires you to use dice. 40K requires you to use tokens (minis) and some measurement device. MTG requires you to use cards.

>and a character generator program
What if he told you
>LOL use the character generator and print out the page
With zero explanation how any of this is derived or any indication how you are to do it yourself what would your reaction be then?

>>95908716
>AND D&D is not?
Whataboutism. D&D is shit, but that doesn't make FATAL not shit either.

>and a character generator program
Anon, here's a question for you then, if the game developer didn't intend for you to design a character by hand, then why are there rules in the book for it to begin with? How are you this willingly obtuse and stupid?

>>95908701
>Print them from the internet
I accept your unconditional surrender.

>Print them from the internet
Want to make a fatal character? Use the generator and print out your character sheet!

>Lego pieces on graph paper
Once again you lost the argument.

>Make some with origami,
>God, you are pathetic.
Projection!

>>95908732
What fucking argument? I'm showing that all of the shit you're talking about are just props that could be substituted for anything. The only thing vital to any game are the rulebooks, literally everything else can be slapped together with outside resources or are superfluous. And if the rulebook's rules on creating characters are shit, then that's something you can't avoid with a computer program. It's outright baked into the product itself.

>>95908731
>Whataboutism
I accept your unconditional surrender.
In like imagine losing the argument this hard.
Like JESUS FUCK!

>Whataboutism
>Yes I use the made up nonsense CIA(No really look it up CIA) propaganda word "Whataboutism" I am a clueless retard!
You debunked yourself as a person.

>Whataboutism
>Yes ignore everything else in reality and pretend like my argument is supposed to exist in a philosophical void!
CIA retardation for you!

>then why are there rules in the book for it to begin with?
The book also did come with a CD that has programs.
>then why are there rules in the book for it to begin with?
After reading what the guy writes he seams to be autistic, he obsesses over things and goes into far to long details.

>D&D is shit,
Cool so you hate D&D equally hard as FATAL? Yes?

>then why are there rules in the book for it to begin with?
Look why don't you take that CIA dick out of your brain and apply the same logic to D&D or every other long running game? This is literally the beta version of his game the alpha version. Maybe he would have changed things in the second edition. Reminder on what edition is D&D now? What does Advanced in AD&D stand for? What edition is 40K on now?

>>95908732
A real fan of FATAL has the physical copy.

>>95908787
...I can see your brain is outright melting, but because I don't even want to bother pointing out "Tu quoque" has been a thing since forever, I just have to point out

>This is literally the beta version of his game
No, anon. If you'd said Fantasy Adventure to Adult Lechery, I would be inclined to say that you had a mild point by noting the developer's first edition was rough around the edges. But you've been talking about From Another Time, Another Land, which is the revision. Revision, meaning the one that Byron Hall took feedback on and "improved" his game with.

And it's still unplayable shit that you admitted nobody can actually get into without using a computer program, which is worthless if you get the book secondhand and therefore have to rely on the rulebook. Which is a thing that can happen to any rpg book on the planet.

You are the single stupidest troll and/or moron I have ever come across, and I hope you take a long serious evaluation of your life that you're wasting time defending a worthless pile of crap on 4chan instead of touching grass.

>>95908673
> requires you to use quadratics to create a character
EHRM AKSHUALLY YOU ONLY NEED QUADRATICS TO SOLVE FOR THE NUMBER OF DRUIDS YOU NEED IN A CIRCLE TO CAST DRUID RITUALS
the real problem with FATAL chargen is that RAW the player never, at any point, makes any kind of mechanics decision about their character, and at its most charitable only allows you to decide not to coinflip your character's sex because EWW WHY WOULD I WANT A GIRL CHARACTER?

>>95908752
>What fucking argument?
Yes. Use the computer you use to shitpost to generate the character. You can not disagree with this without sounding like an absolute retard.

>are just props that could be substituted for anything
Not MTG cards however somehow you needing an entire supply chain to get the cards into your hands is not triggering you as hard as you needing a copy of a program a friend can give you and the printer in your local library.

>The only thing vital to any game are the rulebooks
Once more MTG and other CCG simply destroy your argument.

>And if the rulebook's rules on creating characters are shit, then that's something you can't avoid with a computer program.
Why is it that only absolute retards hate this game?
Was your point not that the character generation is to complicated and takes to long? The program solves this.
Presumably after you get the character sheet you no loner need any computers.
Presumably because no one really played a game of fatal.

>you can't avoid with a computer program
Your friend can generate a random character for you. Or the GM. And print it out.

>It's outright baked into the product itself.
WTF does this mean? You can generate a character by hand only it takes a long time. The program is faster. The analogy would be doing rocket and satellite trajectory calculation by hand VS using a computer program for that.

You cope this hard over needing to buy shit loads of crap for other games and try to find magic substitutions that are retarded especially for MTG... Because you have some INSANE and IRRATIONAL hate boner for a dead game...

>>95908837
>makes any kind of mechanics decision about their character, and at its most charitable only allows you to decide not to coinflip your character's sex because EWW WHY WOULD I WANT A GIRL CHARACTER?
Fun fact the program has options if you want to decide to get a random race or select one....
And other things.....

Seriously why is this game revealing the most insane people you can imagine?
If it is in the program then it is in the book.

>>95908839
I'm going to say this one more time.

Make a character, by hand, using the rules from the game book, step by step and prove that the stereotype of the game's character section being unreasonable is in fact wrong.

Or

Keep floundering and avoiding actually doing it instead, making it clear that even its biggest proponents refuse to work with the book's ruleset because they KNOW it's shit and it completely undermines their argument to try it.

The choice is yours.

>>95908864
>Make a character, by hand,
No. I use the generator like the creator of the game intended.
What now?

> of the game's character section being
The book did come with a CD that has this program on it.....
What now?

>of the game's character section
Oh look you abandoned your retarded argument!
>The only thing vital to any game are the rulebooks
Because this is not how MTG works! You lost the argument and are running.

>>95908852
wow that is literally 2 entire mechanically-significant choices it is possible to make in FATAL chargen.
compare to D&D, which even though it's fucking garbage still lets you pick your character's class and background in addition to race and sex, and allows some control over which number you rolled goes to which stat instead of being (5d100/5)+1 down the line (by the way, (5d100/5)+1 is a retarded roll to use for anything)

>>95908903
>No.
>What now?
Then my point has been proven that not even FATAL's biggest proponents will use the book's character creator. Because they know it's unworkable, just like everyone else said.

Congrats, you shot your argument in the foot because you know you can't fucking do it. You can't actually create a character in FATAL by the book's own design. Have fun playing FATAL by yourself, cause I imagine even your computer program would refuse to play with a worthless maggot like you.

>>95908904
>wow that is literally 2 entire mechanically-significant
Why do you keep talking out of your ass instead of using the program?

What you can change is
>RACE
>SEX
>AGE

>chargen
Why are you so triggered over this? There are games where you can not even chose anything about your character on generation. I the gameplay not the most important part?

>>95908915
>FATAL's biggest proponents
Once again I am only reacting to you retards making the most retarded arguments posible.

>cause I imagine even your computer program would refuse to play with a worthless maggot like you.
Cool so if it will do that will you kill yourself or something?
These are the classic DBZ rape condom arguments you retards throw out.

>by the book's own design
The author says to use the generator!
>by the book's own design
The book comes with a CD who has this program in it!

>Because they know it's unworkable,
I never played fatal and I probably never will.
Why is a game that is dead for over 20 years triggering you so hard fagot kun?

>>95908464
I sure hope you don't mean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm0mf_cZhXs because I'm pretty sure his analysis of this game was that there wasn't a single thing in it that was thought-through or tested and that it was more focused on being a large rulebook than actually being a game that people can play.

>>95908798
>>95908807
>>95908817
Upload the CD! We need to see its contents!

>>95908943
>I never played fatal and I probably never will.
Then what you're doing is insanely pointless. You're the kind of person who probably thinks a question like "how would you have felt if you didn't eat breakfast this morning" or "a pickpocket steals a twinkie from your character's pocket, what do they do" is some kind of personal attack on them, too

>>95908946
https://youtu.be/Mm0mf_cZhXs?t=1131

>I sure hope you don't mean
Yep it is this.

>because I'm pretty sure his analysis
Yes he talks shit like everyone who ever presented this game however even he admits the combat is fast.

So if he used the generator then he can skip all of this crap and get to the fast combat.

>>95908975
>Then what you're doing is insanely pointless.
Lets translate that
>You pointing out that /tg/ is full of fucken insane mental patients who make nonsensical arguments is le bad
See why I am right and you are wrong? This was always about you insane fucks and your insane arguments not the game itself.

>You're the kind of person who probably thinks a question like
Every other subject exists, you exist and you poison everything with your retardation.

>>95908946
https://youtu.be/Mm0mf_cZhXs?t=1203
>If the length of the weapon does not exceed 50% of our height we can s it 1 handed
WAIT is this true?
What fascinates me about this book is that there are all these real world statements thrown in and it makes you think if this is actually how things work in reality and then the author throws in references to academic sources.

>>95909001
The game's shit, bro. End of story. Even the video that you said would prove your claim shows it's a pile of shit. The fact you won't even play a game you're so vehemently defending shows even you know it's unplayable garbage.

>Every other subject exists, you exist and you poison everything with your retardation.
No need to speak so harshly on yourself, even if it is 100% trrue

>>95909014
>ou're so vehemently defending
Once more:
This was always about you insane fucks and your insane arguments not the game itself.

Like jesus fuck is /tg/ infested with you retards. Literally can not understand words spoken to them!

>>95909029
My argument is that the game is crap. You're the one claiming it isn't.

>>95908986
the combat's only fast because anything in combat is overwhelmingly likely to die or get crippled then die in a single hit, not because any of the processes for combat are actually fast.
in fact, the combat section of the video still takes over 10 minutes to process a single attack.
sure, he makes numerous asides and explanations, but that's still 10 fucking minutes to process a single attack, while in his similar breakdowns on more remotely sensible systems the combat example is long over with before 5 minutes.

>>95909036
Once again:
This was always about you insane fucks and your insane arguments not the game itself.

>>95909046
So you agree the game is crap then?

>>95908731
The book came with a CD with a char creating software, ignoramus anon

>>95909044
>the combat's only fast because anything in combat is overwhelmingly likely to die or get crippled then die in a single hit, not because any of the processes for combat are actually fast.
This statement self contradicts.
Either the combat is fast or it is not.

>ikely to die or get crippled then die in a single hit,
So it is fast!

>not because any of the processes for combat are actually fast.
Yet you did say it is fast because everything dies in 1 hit!

>sure, he makes numerous asides and explanations,
> but that's still 10 fucking minutes to process a single attack,
I criticize him for not pointing out the logical solution
>If you know your characters height WHO WILL NOT CHANGE you can basically write down the damage output for this weapon and in the future skip 2 or 3 calculations.

>sure, he makes numerous asides and explanations,
I presume you can make the combat snappy FATAL has other problems who none of the haters ever bring up like:

>If my character can die in 1 hit or get crippled for life how will games even look like?
>Do we avoid combat at all cost???

Or how about
>If my character can die in 1 hit or get crippled for life how will games even look like?
>What if we have a party of 4 and one of the members dies during the start of the game? Will he sit around and do nothing all game? Go home?

These are real questions based on the consequences of the game mechanics.
Questions who will never be answered because the author was bullied from the internet by retards who where to retarded to understand
>Simply use the character generator program BRO!

>>95909085
So if the game intended you to use the character generator program, what is the purpose of the character creation tables and instructions to begin with? Page filler?

>>95909097
It's not fast, though. It takes ten minutes to kill something in one shot. While other systems might take two.

>>95909098
>I will literally split hairs now
No one here is defending Byron.
I did mention that he sounds like he has some autism the way he speaks and writes.

The problem is that you are splitting hairs here. The author did say that you can use the generator.
WTF is your problem? The guy did say this is a pre alpha version of his game, presumably the final release would fix some things.

>what is the purpose of the character creation tables and instructions to begin with?
His autism? Him needing to prove you can do it on paper? Him being afraid the RPG community will freak out if you only can do it with the program?

Once again Gygax is a literal schizo in his D&D writings however this triggered you?

>>95909097
holy shit nigger, learn to read before you try writing.
also, the guy in that video DOES go on to rake FATAL over the coals for exactly the issue of "what is this game trying to do?", with the answer being "fucking nothing because this feels less like a coherent game and more like a bunch of random mechanics in a PDF when it's not screeds from the author about how REALISTIC/HISTORICALLY-ACCURATE/MYTHOLOGICALLY-ACCURATE/SCHOLARLY his game is because he read a highlight reel of Plato's work (specifically the parts where Plato says women are lesser than men)"

>>95909105
>It takes ten minutes to kill something in one shot. While other systems might take two.
Yea LOL.
I'm not taking your side seriously since your side can not understand the
>Simply use the generator!
And make a 3h long video series trying to make characters by hand.

>>95909126
You literally don't comprehend WHY people are pointing out that a computer program that does the work automatically does not in any way absolve the book of having poor character creation rules, do you? Even in the hypothetical situation where someone will not have access to the computer program and must consult the book by itself?

>>95909135
>with the answer being "fucking nothing because this feels less like a coherent game and more like a bunch of random mechanics in a PDF when it's not screeds from the author about
And I agree with him. However he fails to even understand his own argument.
FATAL has some ideas that I liked and are interesting and they can be used or developed in other games. The guy literally fail to understand the words he is saying himself.

>holy shit nigger, learn to read before you try writing.
Are you projecting?

>>95909148
>Even in the hypothetical situation where someone will not have access to the computer program and must consult the book by itself?
Because your hypothetical is like 99.999999999% impossible.

What if someone does not have access to MTG cards and wants to play MTG?

>will not have access to the computer program
This was answered. The GM can print it out for him.

>Even in the hypothetical situation where someone will not have access to the computer program
Is this in the apocalyptic wasteland where electricity also removed? See why you are totally absurd?

>will not have access to the computer program
You are talking to me using a computer your argument makes no sense.

>>95909148
>>95909176

>muh generator
if tabletop game expects you to use electronics it is broken by design

>>95909193
>if tabletop game
However specially made cards (MTG) are OK.
Explain the logic!

>>95909176
Thanks for confirming that you literally can't comprehend other people's arguments. It's genuinely kind of sad to imagine people like you exist.

For the record, I was outright asking how you would build a character if you didn't have access to a computer or even the internet, just the FATAL book itself. Telling me "a computer program will do that for you" is a non-answer. Without access to a computer, the program is a non-factor, and you have to go with the book's own rules on making a character sheet. Which are crap. Hammering in that there's a compute program is the equivalent of someone stepping on a nail and a doctor tossing you a band-aid, instead of giving them a tetanus shot. It does not fix the base issue that THE RULES ARE SHIT.

>>95909029
>This was always about you insane fucks and your insane arguments not the game itself.
The thread subject is literally "F.A.T.A.L. is a masterpiece". Was bait ever believable or was I just younger and dumber back then? Btw OP you need not reply to me, I realize that you're just here getting sexual pleasure from people telling you how you're wrong.

>>95907870 (OP)
Is that you, Virt? I hoped you killed yourself.

>>95909159
>FATAL has some ideas that I liked and are interesting and they can be used or developed in other games
I'll believe it when you pick them out instead of bleating bullshit trying to defend the game, because from all the various forays into the world of FATAL I've seen, the only ideas particular to FATAL are characters too randomly-generated to foster any investment, a world that's too much of a bad self-parody of grimdark for anyone to care to explore, and all governed by dice rolls too cumbersome and center-weighted for anyone to care.
also, solving a quadratic formula problem for the number of druids in a circle to cast a ritual spell

>>95909213
I think in this case it's the untalented hack trying to push their unfunny FATAL 2 project again.

>>95909645
I will admittedly never understand the urge to do shit like that, at least in any way that isn't done solely for the memes.

>>95908392
>I do not have a problem with that.
That is because you are stupid. A good tabletop games you can make character easily without some computer aid. With D&D I can make a character (who is unlikely to be useless outside of real fuck ups) with ease and with a few pieces of paper. With Fatal without the computer making a character takes hours and you are very likely to make something unplayable forcing you to start over.

>>95908531
There probably a handful of people in the world who played fatal and most of them probably killed themselves. It's that bad.

>>95908716
>Because D&D logic confuses people to this day.
Yes, dumb people like you. Many people are playing D&D while no one is playing FATAL

>>95909085
Good tabletop games don't need char creating software to be playable. dumbass.

>>95907902
the game mechanics involve a lot of pointless tables with excessive granularity, and the dev chose to insert extra detail in places where it would be detrimental to the fun

the example I always come (ha) back to is how fatal has mechanics for determining when and how hard you cum when fucking.

I forget the details of how you determine WHEN the male cums, but you say what part of the female he was looking at when he cums, get the comeliness of that body part (because how attractive your individual body parts are is tracked separately - a woman might have better tits and a less good ass), I forget if it was the final comeliness or the relative multiplier.

That multiplier for how hot the body part he's observing right as he gets off is applied as one part of the formula for how hard he cums. God forbid a man close his eyes right as he's gonna blast rope I guess.

Then you roll to determine how hard he blows his first rope, and determine how much of a decrease in strength there is between shots and how many shots total he fires.

FATAL is the only system that says "You just roleplayed sex, with stats. Now follow this formula to see how far each individual blast of your spunkload goes, I guess so we can mark it off on the floor. Was that good for you, babe?"

>>95909046
>This was always about you insane fucks and your insane arguments not the game itself.
>He says in the "FATAL is a masterpiece thread
The only thing I've seen here is people telling you to actually play the game and you avoiding that lol
It says a lot that the best thing you tried to say about FATAL was that there was a character generator so you didn't have to actually make a character yourself

>>95909201
Card games use cards, as it's a tabletop game
Tabletop rpgs use books as it's a tabletop game
Electronics are unnecessary at best and are not tabletop games
If you need electronics for your tabletop game you have a very bad tabletop game

>>95909012
>>If the length of the weapon does not exceed 50% of our height we can s it 1 handed
>WAIT is this true?
Search your heart.

Also claiming the Chargen software's solving the problem is like Australian Shadman claiming that he's an artist because he can type prompts.

>>95909185
Imagine losing the argument so hard and getting so angry that you delete the post to not look like the retard you are.

>>95908025
>>95909126
Imagine being a crazy fuck on /tg/
Imagine going into insane arguments.
Imagine facts making you so angry that you lose your shit.
Imagine that instead of leaving it at that and looking like the worlds biggest fagot you decide to humiliate yourself more.
Imagine now that you decide to delete posts and pictures showing you are wrong to get WINS in you imaginary debate.

Wow you people literally decided to show what level of human garbage you really are.

PS: Imagine how this looks in the archives!
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/95907870/#q95908025

Of course Nicedaemonette is defending FATAL. Because of course the cumbrained mother murdering retard is.

I have made a character for FATAL once, as a joke fir a "review" for some friends. It took me over 4 hours and I ended up heavily fudging some stuff to get a character that wasn't utterly unplayable. Then I tried a solo game and gave up when it came to combat. Working out initiative was near impossible.

>>95912070
>It took me over 4 hours
Pro tip there is a character generator program.
>b-b-b--b
The book did come with a CD that has all the programs on it!

>solo game and gave up when it came to combat. Working out initiative was near impossible.
I like to see how that actually works. The other guy says it is simple so.....

>>95912134
If your book needs a program to function you have a terrible system and need to fix it

>>95909206
>Thanks for confirming that you literally can't comprehend other people's arguments.
Yes schizophrenics like you are like that.

> is the equivalent of someone stepping on a nail and a doctor tossing you a band-aid, instead of giving them a tetanus shot. It does not fix the base issue that THE RULES ARE SHIT.
Yikes we are back to the DBZ dildo schizophrenia of fatal haters.

>I was outright asking how you would build a character if you didn't have access to a computer or even the internet,
1) DEBUNKED literally a non issue in today's world. How are you shitposting to me if you do not have a computer? This is a real question. One that you can never answer.

2) DEBUNKED I asked you how you can play MTG without the cards and this breaks you. MTG requires cards and also computers to play.

2.2) Let me explain this since you are unable to understand how the world works to play MTG you need MTG cards. They are only created by the entire distribution network of Wizards of the Coast who involve artists actually drawing the art for the cards who then also get computers involved to printing and finalizing the card art.

Now you ignore all of this and you ignore all the computers and all the distribution network to get these cards in stores and continue with your insanity like CCGs like MTG are somehow not exactly like fatal needing a program.

Let me ask you this what if in your local hobby store there where fatal cards. You play fatal by opening these """"boosters"""" and getting a random character sheet and then playing.

Is this OK for you? If not why not? It is exactly the same thing you get with MTG.
However with fatal and the program you do not need the gigantic distribution network of Wizards of the Coast the GM can simply use the program, print out character sheets (it is the 90s baby!) and give it to the players at random. Basically get 5 random characters and pick one to play.

>>95912174
Explain why. See above.

1/2

>>95909206
>>95912174
>>95912203

2/2

PS: I think Byron (who has autism BTW) made a terrible mistake engaging with the retarded tabletop community. If he made his game a computer game not tabletop people would love it to death.

Especially if it was released after 2017.

>A game where I die in a instant and get a broken unusable character?
>PURE GENIUS!

>Ah yes I died 15 times in the starting area!
>I LOVE IT!

>Oh yes the game models me losing a finger

>Whats this a goblin jumped out and raped me to death?
>I LOVE IT!

Making it single player only would also make it more fun.

>>95912203
>>95912218
>COMPUTER PROGRAM
>What if you did not have computer?
>IMPOSSIBLE NO HUMAN HAS EVER NOT HAD A COMPUTER IN HISTORY BEFORE DEBUNK DEBUNK DEBUNK
You are the biggest moron on this website. Can't even answer a simple question without resorting to either complete non-sequiters or argument from incredulity.

>MTG requires cards and also computers to play

Especially for completely incorrect shit like this

P.S. Blackouts still exist, and Cloudflare regularly shits its pants, so yes, you can be in a situation that you could be playing tabletop games without access to a computer

>>95912134
>I like to see how that actually works
Read someone's solo rpg blog to find that out.

>>https://solorpgvoyages.wordpress.com/2019/10/28/the-100th-fatal-session/

Shock of all shocks, it's a bloody mess.

>>95912323
>>MTG requires cards and also computers to play
>
>Especially for completely incorrect shit like this
It is unreal how retarded you are like you can not even understand reality or how Wizards of the Coast operate. Like how do you think the MTG cards are made? Using real magic?

>>95912397
Kid, I have two packs of MTG cards in my living room and a play mat. I could outright play a game with someone right here and now without once touching a computer.

>how do you think the MTG cards are made
An absolute non-sequitur. Nobody is talking about how the card game is made, they're talking about how it is actually played in real life, person to person.

>>95912134
>>95912174
>If your book needs a program to function you have a terrible system

>the only one defending the game is a mentally ill guy who didn't even play it
Astounding.

>>95912218
Non tabletop people would hate it even more. Who the fuck designs an RPG almost entirely around being raped?

>>95907870 (OP)
I haven't played F.A.T.A.L. but I have stolen some game mechanics from the 2e and all.

>>95912070
It's VirtualOptim, not ND. Getting permabanned for trying to claim FATAL was good mindbroke him and now he comes back every couple of months and does this shit

>>95908555
bait-posting is not an argument though

>>95912724
I have to wonder why. There's plenty of bad games out there that aren't bungled this badly that you could better defend.

>>95912203
>DEBUNKED literally a non issue in today's world. How are you shitposting to me if you do not have a computer? This is a real question. One that you can never answer.
Back when fatal came out computers where uncommon. Households might have a single machine or none at all, I know I did not get a pc till 2012, our only machine was my mother's work laptop.
>2) DEBUNKED I asked you how you can play MTG without the cards and this breaks you. MTG requires cards and also computers to play.
Actually it only needs cards. I know because I used to play.

Having tried fatal, no. It's an utter mess of a system that can't even let you swing a sword (if you where lucky enough to roll one of the tiny percentage of combat classes) or work out your walk speed without going into long multiplication and division. It's a poor game and I cannot fathom why you would choose to die on its hill.

>>95912724
Oh. I thought he seemed a bit off, more aggressive than whiny, but the overall attitude is similar. When did he start? I mostly stick to a few threads so I tend to miss board drama.

>>95912423
Correct. A tabletop game shouldn't need a computer program to be playable. Saying the rulebook isn't that bad because a program let's you ignore it is not the defense you think it is.

>>95912203
>Explain why. See above.
This doesn't explain anything. You keep going on and on about MTG for some reason, which
A. Is not a tabletop game, it's a card game
and
B. Also does not need a computer program to be playable. It's playable as soon as you get a deck. FATAL is not playable as soon as you get the rulebook, you apparently also need a program to engage with the mechanics for you. This is bad game design.

>>95912467
>Non tabletop people would hate it even more
What do you think of Darkest Dungeon?

>Who the fuck designs an RPG almost entirely around being raped?
Who the fuck designs an RPG entirely around going FUCKEN INSANE!

>>95913591
Darkest Dungeon isn't a tabletop game. And is also, you know, good. And has the sense to not waste time with scatological matters and rape when there's monsters to kill.

>>95913591
>What do you think of Darkest Dungeon?
I guess prostitution is rape or something.

>>95912931
He was a mentally ill faggot 10 years ago when he got banned. Most people don't generally get better from being mentally ill faggots without really serious treatment, which he'd never seek.

How did this thread EVER get this far?

>>95913605
>Darkest Dungeon isn't a tabletop game
DING DING DING!
It is almost like the fags in /tg/ can understand

>PS: I think Byron (who has autism BTW) made a terrible mistake engaging with the retarded tabletop community. If he made his game a computer game not tabletop people would love it to death.

>Especially if it was released after 2017.

Almost like you can understand words that his game would be better if it was a COMPUTER GAME not a tabletop game. It is almost like you fagots and retards can understand this point after over 10 posts of me trying to hammer this idea into your heads. If it is a computer game it can use a generator and simulate every vain in the body!

Like I was saying the point of all these threads is exposing how fucked in the head the tabletop players actually are.

> And is also, you know, good.
A game that kills your characters super fast and has you going OVER and OVER and OVER the same dungeon to get the ending is good to you... Interesting.... However fatal presumably having your characters die in minutes is le bad....

> to not waste time with scatological matters and rape when there's monsters to
CONJECTURE! Literally no one knows WTF fatal game play is supposed to be like NO ONE. I did look into what Byron Hall wrote and it looks you need another book to to get the world setting... however the guy is clearly autistic and wastes your time talking about how the months are named instead of rolling up a sample adventure. Maybe if people did give him real criticism he fix his autistic writing however literally everyone sperged out over character creation taking to long and ignoring him telling you to use the generator.

>>95913648
>>What do you think of Darkest Dungeon?
>I guess prostitution is rape or something.
The point is that Darkest Dungeon has you use 100s of characters who all die and get perma damaged and go crazy.

>>95913936
>Literally no one knows WTF fatal game play is supposed to be like NO ONE
Including you, who has wasted years of his life defending a game that you totally just want to correct /tg/ on, to the point that you will spend days on a single thread arguing with every anon who dares disagree that "FATAL IS A MASTERPIECE"

>>95913936
>The point is that Darkest Dungeon has you use 100s of characters who all die and get perma damaged and go crazy.
They don't turn gay and try to hide gnomes inside their explosively expanding assholes though.

>>95913936
>A game that kills your characters super fast and has you going OVER and OVER and OVER the same dungeon to get the ending is good to you
That is not even remotely how Darkest Dungeon plays if you have a functioning brain, you retard, and at any rate your constant attempts to reference things that are not FATAL or even remotely related to FATAL still stand as absolute non-sequiturs that only make your words a continuing waste of time. Virt, please, take your fucking meds.

>>95913605
>>95913648
Lets see:
>scatological matters and rape
Explain to me anon and this is another bizarre hill you will die on.

>My character getting tortured, killed and suffering unimaginable pain is normal in a game.
>However if the peepee goes in the vejeyjey then I am triggered.

So you do not want a world where the monsters actually want to rape your characters? Insane psychos who get their penis hard if they skin human alive and try to do the same to your characters are A OK however some monster having a rape fetish is unacceptable.

PS: Fun fact for a super long time fatal haters literally did bring up the fact that fatal has MONSTERS who eat small children as some proof how evil and sick Byron Hall is. They got literally confronted with this and how retarded their arguments are. I mean what teletubby toddler D&D adventures where you playing? Where the most evil action is Lex Luthor stealing all the cakes from the village?

Once more I remind you threads like these are not about defending fatal because it has flaws. The reason people react to you is because your arguments are fucken insane!

>>95914001
>My character getting tortured, killed and suffering unimaginable pain is normal in a game.
These are not things that happen in normal games, virt, you degenerate lunatic. You're not going to convince anyone that your obsession with rape and torture is actually legitimate and normal.

>>95914001
>My character getting tortured, killed and suffering unimaginable pain is normal in a game.
I don't play in those games cause I don't play with sick fucks

>So you do not want a world where the monsters actually want to rape your characters?
Nobody does. Ever.

>>95913960
>Including you
YES.
Do you know what the game play is supposed to be? Like give me a sample adventure.

>who has wasted years of his life defending a game
For the 20 time. I am not defending fatal, can you retards not understand this? Like is it impossible for you to process the statement?

What I am reacting is the insane side of the /tg/ and tabletop community.

>"FATAL IS A MASTERPIECE"
It has flaws, one of them is that literally no one knows what a sample campaign is supposed to look like. Maybe if it was 24 years ago I would ask the author however he was spammed to death by retards who ranted how their mother is raped by DBZ condoms or some shit and that fatal is a rape simulator.

>>95913978
>things that are not FATAL
CORRECT!

>Why don't you debate my schizo arguments in some philosophical void where fatal is literally the only thing in existence
This is why I love exposing retards like you. Keep in mind you are the lol cow here. Everyone is laughing at you and your insanity or is cringing how retarded you and your arguments are.

>>95914054
You legitimately are not making sense anymore

>>95914042
>I am not defending fatal, can you retards not understand this?
Of course you're not. You're just wasting years of your life talking about this game you don't play, can't make a character in without a website to do it for you, and arguing with all of /tg/ on behalf of for completely different reasons that aren't about trying to make people agree with you that FATAL is actually good, while you air your blatant rape fetish for the whole world to see.

Virt, you need to seek help. This is beyond pathetic.

>>95914042
>one of them is that literally no one knows what a sample campaign is supposed to look like
Congrats for exposing yourself for not even reading the book you so vigorously defend. Now piss off.

Is this a bot

>>95914105
Worse, it's an ancient lulcow.

>>95914114
I think he needs to be sent back to the shop, his brain's rusting up even harder than before

>>95914017
>These are not things that happen in normal games
Tell me what exactly the evil cultists in D&D are doing especially to their prisoners?
I know it is D&D so it is teletubby shit... However what are the implications here? Are they showing them reruns of bad TV shows?

>and torture
I am going to highlight this little part right here.
>I do not have torture in my games
Really? The evil rat people do not brutalize or torture their captured slaves? I can swear the skaven do that. What teletubby shit are your campaigns?

>>95914031
>I don't play in those games cause I don't play with sick fucks
Fascinating what is the most evil thing the most evil do in your games.
>I don't play in those games

So what is it D&D shit? Where Orcs can not be evil monsters and are simply misunderstood! And the real evil is racism however the literally Evil incarnate who ping chaotic evil and worship the god of chaotic evil..... They do not clean the toilets after they use them or some shit

Is what you play?

> I don't play with sick fucks
Fun fact the orks or was it goblins or whatever in LOTR literally want to cut of the legs of the hobbits and eat the legs. You do not have this evil in your campaign? And after the ork (or goblin or whatever) boss kills the subordinate they engage in cannibalism.
Is this also made by sick fucks? Is talking a sick fuck?!

>REEE!!!!
>DEBATE MY SCHIZOPHRENIA LIKE NOTHING ELSE IN THE WORLD EXISTS!!!!!

>>95914063
>You legitimately are not making sense anymore
Or you are fucked in the head and like the retard you are can not understand logic.

>>95914137
I know that you're clearly a self-loathing shitposter, but that's still a pretty harsh way to describe yourself

>>95914126
>>DEBATE MY SCHIZOPHRENIA LIKE NOTHING ELSE IN THE WORLD EXISTS!!!!!
That explains why you're a lolcow, considering that's the most honest thing you've said this whole thread

>>95914001
>My character getting tortured, killed and suffering unimaginable pain is normal in a game.
>However if the peepee goes in the vejeyjey then I am triggered.

Characters having detailed stats for their genitals, anus and nipples, all of those being malformed in some way and all other systems containing effects that interact with the stats of those three is a bit odd. Like people make fun of japanese porn games, but Hall create the literal, definite Henmaru Machino game/chargen system.

>>95912218
Just because you are retarded does not mean everyone else in the tabletop community is too. If FATAL was video game it would be treated like shit like Air Control and other crap on Steam.

>>95914082
>PAGE 796
>CHAPTER 15

YIKES. Imagine reading so far into a book that you hate!
>for not even reading the book
YES. I like stopped on page 50 or something like that.
>you so vigorously defend.
I am not defending fatal!

However you are the real lol cow here:
>I HATE FATAL!
>IT IS THE WORST GAME OF ALL TIMES!
>THIS IS WHY I WILL READ EVERY WORD IN EVER WRITTEN BY BRYON

You see why these threads are about you retards?!

PS: I did read the sample adventure and it explain nothing.
>Everyone is le missing
OK who are we? Trained soldiers or slaves? What level will the monsters be? How often will we fight them? What equipment do we have? keep in mind the combat in fatal can be deadly and crippling for life.

>>95914126
>Tell me what exactly the evil cultists in D&D are doing especially to their prisoners?
In my games? They aren't raping them, if that's what you're implying, you degenerate psychopath. Why do you assume cultists have to rape and kill people? Because you're a psychotic faggot.

>>95914157
>I can not talk about the plot or the most evil in LOTR
>A movie with the rating PG-13
Will you get a SJW triggering episode when death and mutilation are shown? Are you unable to process movies with a PG-13 or more mature rating?

>>95914190
>YIKES. Imagine reading so far into a book that you hate!
I used the table of contents like a normal human being. Idiot.

>>95914217
Non-sequitur yet again. Piss off already.

>>95914195
>In my games? They aren't raping them
I asked about torture and death. Like abusing them for fun because they are evil and killing them as a sacrifice to their evil god or something.

>you degenerate psychopath
Look the retard can not answer this look like you humiliated yourself once more!
WTF are they doing?! Answer this!?

>>95914241
You're telling people that your first instinct in any fantasy scenario is to include torture and abuse, and then thinking other people are silly because they don't include gratuitous amounts of torture and abuse.

>>95914170
>Characters having detailed stats for their genitals, anus and nipples,
Because the guy who made the game IS AUTISTIC it is incredible how the tabletop trash can not process or understand this.

From the way he writes it is obvious HE IS AUTISTIC!

>nd all other systems containing effects that interact with the stats of
Presumably the idea is that if a monster rapes your character they are used to determine if your character will die from anal bedding and a raptures anus or not.

>three is a bit odd. Like people make fun of japanese porn games,
You realize that someone did make sample combat in fatal and this like does not show up?

>b-b-b- why did he write this
Because the guy IS AUTISTIC and over complicated mechanics attract him.

>>95914182
Lets see:
>retarded fatal hater ignores facts and arguments
>retarded fatal hater shitposts
>retarded fatal hater can not engage with logic

Fatal hater should be banned for life from /tg/ they are clearly mentally ill.

>>95914227
>Non-sequitur
Sorry you are simply retarded and unable to understand arguments obvious to others.

>A literal movie has a scene where the evil monsters will inflict unimaginable pain on the protagonists (getting their legs cut off)
>retarded fatal hater gets triggered by a RPG talk having torture or killing
>Retarded fatal hater can not understand this argument.

You people are a walking joke jesus fuck.

>>95914254
>[DEFLECTION]
>[Ignores the question]
Are you trolling or retarded?

>>95914313
Watching a movie and playing a tabletop are completely different experiences. That you don't grasp this at all shows you're too autistic and self-centered to even argue with, and only worthy of scorn and mockery.

>>95914268
Being autistic and thinking anyone would give a shit about needing mathematics for sex actually only makes him even more worthy of mockery, dumbass.

>>95914320
>RPG'S MUST INCLUDE TORTURE RAPE AND ABUSE
>WHAT ELSE ARE BAD GUYS SUPPOSED TO DO?!
Good lord, you're so fucking insane you can't imagine any fantasy where the bad guys just hold someone captive or a monster just kills its prey. You demand that fantasy must include your deprave guro fetish and then act dumbstruck when people say they don't jack off to snuff porn.

>>95914321
>Watching a movie and playing a tabletop are completely different experiences
YES.

For one thing the movie has a far bigger potential to frighten with scenes or gore and violence.
>worthy of scorn and mockery.
It is unreal how hard you are fucked in the head.
Let me spell it out for you retard.

If movies who include death and torture like LOTR are OK and not made by psychopaths then tabletop games who have these elements can not be made by psychopaths because you are literally getting triggered by words.

>>95914281
Nice projection, retard. Or maybe you are too stupid to even follow what is being said in the thread.

>>95914334
>bad guys just hold someone captive
For what reason?
Continue the logic of these guys.

> or a monster just kills its prey.
Why is the monster doing that?
Continue the logic of the monster.

> or a monster just kills its prey.
Yet before this I was the sick fuck for having DEATH and MURDER in my games! Look how insane you fuckers are!

>>95914347
Since you're too retarded to grasp this, let me put it this way. Not a single human being I have ever played a game with has ever been interested in some fat fuck neckbeard sweatily describing someone's brutal torture or rape right in front of them, wanting them to imagine it in their heads. They, in fact, seem rather opposed to it. The fact you want to vehemently believe this is a normal thing in tabletop games means you are incredibly abnormal and possibly a very disturbed lolcow. Seek help.

>>95914390
The more I interact with you the more it becomes obvious that you are to fucked in the head to function correctly. If this hobby was not rotten to the core it would ostracize retards like you.

>in some fat fuck neckbeard sweatily describing someone's brutal torture
Answer these questions
1) Did you watch the 3 LOTR movies?
2) What did you think of all the death and implied mutilation or torture scenes?

Lets see if you can do this.

PS:
You are actually retarded here are the sighns
I star calling out your retardation and call you a lolcow you pick up on this and repeat the word back to me not understanding why I used it
>lolcow
See the retard is repeating words I have used not understanding them.

I call you retarded and you repeat the word
>retarded

Because you are actually retarded if you can not make connections between 2 examples this is the definition of RETARDATION!

>>95914190
What a lolcow retard.
So lad, going to reply to me yet? I made a character in fatal, as I posted above. Over 4 hours it took, and i fudged stuff just so my female darkelf was playable, and then I tried to solo play the game and just gave in. It's a convoluted, unintuitive, borderline unplayable mess of a game.
And that's without getting into stuff like rolling to wank off a guy and seeing how many loads he blasts and how far, or rolling to see how well she shit and pissed on the toilet. Speaking of, why the hell does a game need a fucking peepeepoopoo system? Why do I need to roll to see the consistency and size of my characters shit, and how big of a log or how many chunks she drops? Why do I need to track her bladder fullness and check to see how hard she pees and how relieved she is? What is this? No other game has peepeepoopoo mechanics, it's just something your character does.
Why is every single aspect of my character rng'd from under me, down to stuff like her hair's level of greasiness and the size of her nipples? Why the flying fuck do I have to roll for anal and vaginal circumference and depth? Why is there an honest too gods chart for grappling that includes the "you spontaneously start raping your opponent" result?
Come on man, tell me! Stand up on this blighted hill you have chosen to defend and answer me. Using sentences and actual refutation of my points, not just "nuh uh your wrong", "debunked" and schizo rambling/insults.

>>95914425
>Over 4 hours it took,
Because you are retarded and unable to use the generator like a neurotipical human.

>What a lolcow retard.
Look the retard is repeating words I used on him! Point and laugh!

>game need a fucking peepeepoopoo system?
You see here is why you are the lolcow the real lolcow.
I did see fatal and realized it is to complicated to bother and simply did give up. Like every neurotical.

You are a lolcow who decided to play a game he hates for god knows what reason. Like I was saying you are the lolcow I am not defending fatal I am only reacting to you and your retardation and how this game canalizes your inner fagot into existence.

You know if fatal was this over complicated game then people would forget about it and it would be forgotten what makes fatal magical is that it exposes the most retarded lolcows you can imagine. You clearly have some fatal obsession because you decided to spend your time playing a overcompensated game you hate.

>>95914421
I watched Lord of the Rings. I didn't give a fuck about any of it cause I knew from the start it's a 100% fake movie. What it didn't have was some fat neckbeard jerking himself off in front of me as he tries to describe a bunch of tiny-dicked goblins raping some nameless npc, which are the precise kind of people that FATAL is meant to attract and the kind of game you've been. That's what I mean the two experiences are different. I'm not being invited to some sick loser's magical realm watching Lord of the Rings, wheras someone who wastes my time describing their sexual fantasies when I just want to kill goblins deserves a punch in the gob.

>>95914468
He actually cracked open the book. You've clearly never done so if you're so mentally impaired you can't even create a character from it.

>>95914472
>I knew from the start it's a 100% fake movie
>As opposed to D&D Where every campaign is real
Seek immediate psychiatric help JESUS FUCK! Imagine literally becoming the character form monsters and mazes!

>hat it didn't have was some fat neckbeard jerking himself off in front of me as he tries to describe a bunch of
more like you get triggered by anyone saying.
"And the monsters want to sacrifice the villagers to their evil god by skinning them all alive, go and stop this"

And you literally have a triggering episode over this.

>raping
Look you the fucked fagot can not keep his story straight, you told me you find the idea of MURDER and TORTURE to be sick now you flip flop back to rape.

I ask once more WTF are the evil cultists doing in your campaigns? Taking 2 cookies out of the free cookie jar? You aborted answering this before:

>>95914334
>bad guys just hold someone captive
For what reason?
Continue the logic of these guys.

> or a monster just kills its prey.
Why is the monster doing that?
Continue the logic of the monster.

> or a monster just kills its prey.
Yet before this I was the sick fuck for having DEATH and MURDER in my games! Look how insane you fuckers are!

>>95914526
Virt, just accept that nobody agrees with you. You're embarrassing yourself at this point.

>>95914488
>He actually cracked open the book.
I have the PDF only you obsessed fuck!

>so mentally impaired you can't even create a character from it.
Now the fatal hater acts like being able to make a character in this game is a source of pride.
I did read the what the author did say to this criticism and used the generator like he told everyone.

>you can't even create a character from it.
I do not play over complicated games.

>>95914468
I reviewed the game for my friends as a joke. Go and read up.
I'm a different anon to the others your rambling at.
I didn't actually read beyond what I needed too, most of my knowledge comes from the reviews others did.
I did not use the generator because this was years ago, about 2014, and rather than try to dig an obscure program for a long dead game out from the internet I instead chose to simulate how most people make characters for games, pen and paper. Especially as at the time of publishing it was not unusual for a household to not have a pc, and common to not have a printer. As I said up there, I got my first proper machine when I was 18.
Your claiming not to care about this, frankly, insult to games, but at the same time your furiously defending it and trying to deflect all criticism in your own, spergy, way. If you truly do not care then walk away. Make peace with the fact that the overwhelming majority dislike your sacred cow game.
>neurotical
It's "neurotypical" and you are anything but.

>>95914544
>I ignore all criticisms and all questions
This is why you lose all debates and are the lolcow here.

PS: There are literally only 2 people in this debate. You are so obsessed with this game that you will debate it forever I am only milking you the lolcow of your insanity.

Fatal is only the catalyst here you clearly are fucked in the head on the subject of gore, pain and torture subjects rated to be PG-13 material IN CHILDREN MOVIES!

>>95914560
This isn't a debate, this is me poking a lolcow to dance for me, like the other people in this thread. So go on, keep on dancing. Scream out another "DEBUNKED" or ramble on about how much you love FATAL even if you'll never play it. Go on. Dance for us, you pathetic monkey.

>>95914556
Here are some key concepts that expose your insanity.

>Especially as at the time of publishing it was not unusual for a household to not have a pc,
What 3 world country is that?

Fatal was released in 2000 and practically ever household did have a PC in that time. You know this if you lived during that time. Also fatal did go on the craze of including CDs in books that was very popular during that time. You know this if you where alive during that time.

>and common to not have a printer.
Not in 2000. Like NO. Over 50% of people who did have a PC did have a printer. You clearly have no fucken idea what you are talking about. people used printers to print out what they wrote on the PC (who like 40% of the time was threaded as a glorified typewriter) WTF where they supposed to do? Send their writings to facebook? Internet was not that popular in 2000!

>As I said up there, I got my first proper machine when I was 18.
WTF? What year was that? Most late 90s kids did have a home PC I can show you endless examples of people remembering having them in their homes the family computer was a thing!

>but at the same time your furiously defending
LOL NO! See >>95914526
Fatal is the catalyst it exposed some deep insanity in the gaming population.

>>95914390
You need to understand that virtualoptim is one of the most friendless, nogames faggots to every plague /tg/. I don't think this guy owns a single rpg book, let alone that he's actually skimmed a PDF. He used to come here just to be an extremely edgy faggot and talk about how much he wants to rape and kill. See >>95914017

>>95914607
Here are some key concepts that expose your insanity.

>Especially as at the time of publishing it was not unusual for a household to not have a pc,
What 3 world country is that?

Fatal was released in 2000 and practically every household did have a PC in that time. You know this if you lived during that time. Also fatal did go on the craze of including CDs in books that was very popular during that time. You know this if you where alive during that time.

>and common to not have a printer.
Not in 2000. Like NO. Over 50% of people who did have a PC did have a printer. You clearly have no fucken idea what you are talking about. people used printers to print out what they wrote on the PC (who like 40% of the time was a glorified typewriter) WTF where they supposed to do? Send their writings to facebook? Internet was not that popular in 2000!
https://youtu.be/bV0M9_NwMHY?t=16

>As I said up there, I got my first proper machine when I was 18.
WTF? What year was that? Most late 90s kids did have a home PC I can show you endless examples of people remembering having them in their homes the family computer was a thing!

>but at the same time your furiously defending
LOL NO! See >>95914526 (You)
Fatal is the catalyst it exposed some deep insanity in the gaming population.

>>95914610
The horrid thing is that he sounds like he'd love World of Darkness, but probably be too stupid to even be able to play in a game of that.

>>95914526
>captives
To hold them ransom, to lure someone in, to use as a bargaining chip, to trade to a more powerful organization. If you think the only reason to capture anyone is to rape and kill them, you're not just a degenerate, you're a retard.

>why? (monsters)
because they are animals that seek to eat.

>DEATH and MURDER
Despite these being common things in most RPGs, you might not know, because no one tolerates your company, but the vast majority of people playing RPGs do not revel in describing people being maimed, dismembered, raped, tortured, abused, or otherwise grievously harmed, the way you seem to think they should.

>>95914556
>>95914607
Here are some key concepts that expose your insanity.

>Especially as at the time of publishing it was not unusual for a household to not have a pc,
What 3 world country is that?

Fatal was released in 2000 and practically every household did have a PC in that time. You know this if you lived during that time. Also fatal did go on the craze of including CDs in books that was very popular during that time. You know this if you where alive during that time.

>and common to not have a printer.
Not in 2000. Like NO. Over 50% of people who did have a PC did have a printer. You clearly have no fucken idea what you are talking about. people used printers to print out what they wrote on the PC (who like 40% of the time was a glorified typewriter) WTF where they supposed to do? Send their writings to facebook? Internet was not that popular in 2000!
https://youtu.be/bV0M9_NwMHY?t=16

PS: You do not know about the PCs and printers in libraries.
You know this if you where alive during that time.

>As I said up there, I got my first proper machine when I was 18.
WTF? What year was that? Most late 90s kids did have a home PC I can show you endless examples of people remembering having them in their homes the family computer was a thing!

>but at the same time your furiously defending
LOL NO! See >>95914526
Fatal is the catalyst it exposed some deep insanity in the gaming population.

>>95912993
To add to this when D&D came out (70s) computers in people homes was not really a thing yet people were still able to play D&D without problems.

>>95914638
>because they are animals that seek to eat.
>are animals that seek to eat.
LOL D&D says all animals are true neutral! You go figure this one out!
WTF are the CHAOTIC EVIL cultists doing?!

So wanting to kill a human because they are hungry is not a reason to make them evil in D&D logic.

Also you think Orks and other evil monsters literally kill humans because they are hungry? Can they not like steal their food? Can they not eat human food? These are the absurdities and insanity you need to try to defend now.

>To hold them ransom
OK I give you that you managed to dig out a historical reason. However your campaigns sound boring or insane.

>So my wife was captured and they demand money....
>You know what sane action is? Pay mercenaries to hunt them down!
>I am sure this is more logical then paying them money, clearly the potential for a catastrophic bloodbath is increased!
>I AM SMART!

And boring. Do you not have like evil cults of evil people who do evil things and need to be stopped? No crazy mage who steals all the children to sacrifice to his god to get more power? TO triggering for you?

>>95914675
>To add to this when D&D came out (70s) computers in people homes was not really a thing
OK.

And fatal did come out in 2000 where computers in homes where a thing....
WTF are you saying here?

>>95914702
>WTF are the CHAOTIC EVIL cultists doing?!
What part of chaotic evil says that they have to rape and torture? Nothing. I'm just going to answer that one for you, because you're a fucking idiot who doesn't play TTRPGs.

>>95914675
>To add to this when D&D came out (70s) computers in people homes was not really a thing
And before that like way before that people being able to read was not a thing.... So D&D is unable to be played by literate people in the past same for every tabletop game that is out there today.

>>95914650
Nothing of what you have said is relevant to the irrefutable fact that the game comes with a character creation system, and one that does not function properly. The fact that you can only bleat out "THERE'S A COMPUTER PROGRAM" means you have nothing from the book itself to retort with, meaning you agree it's shit. And since one of the most important steps in any rpg is being able to build a character properly, you've all but agreed that the game in its base form is unplayable. A computer program cannot solve this irrefutable fact, one you've implicitly agreed with given you have said absolutely nothing in the game's defense beyond "COMPUTER PROGRAM". Something that people have shown might not even be an option for plenty of people, for example someone who neither has a computer nor has access to the internet.

Face it jack, you've lost, and you've lost because you have no way to rebut the truth that the game shipped in an unplayable state.

>>95914720
>rape
I see
>I am obsessed with rape and if my insanity gets to herd to defend I switch to the rape subject
Another argument you LOST!

>and torture
So the evil people will not kick or beat their prisoners for fun?

>What part of chaotic evil
D&D is schizo with itself. I asked since D&D insists that all animals are true neutral.

>Nothing
Because you literally can not.
You think the game that literally has a objective morality system and people pinging evil should have some evil shit in it. Evil shit that I can bring up in literal children's movies!

So what is the most evil thin the objectively evil characters did in your campaign.

>Masters eat humans because they are hungry
Is retarded and like suitable for a handful of adventures.

>>95914754
>I lost my argument and I will run away.
You lost the argument.
>I exposed my lolcow schizophrenia to the world by insisting that in the 2000s computers where not common in most homes
You lost the argument.
>Now I ignore that I ever did say this crazy shit
You lost the argument.

>The game
NO NO NO Like I was saying this is not about the game it is about you crazy fucks. You somehow did start a rant that in the 2000s people did not have computers in their homes. I reacted to this and then you run away.

Answer for what you have done!

>>95914650
>What 3 world country is that?
1st world
>Fatal was released in 2000 and practically every household did have a PC in that time.
Oh im sure they did, so long as you only counted middle class. For those of us in working class families it was different.
>You know this if you lived during that time.
I was born in 1994. I grew up in that period. I remember there being 5 TV channels, and my introduction to anime was either Lupin III and the Castle of Cagliatro, or Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind, can't remember which, when Channel 5 children's show took a break from showing Tintin.
>Also fatal did go on the craze of including CDs in books
That where usually lost or broken by the time it came to sell the book on. Oh look, fatal was incredibly unpopular. Guess what happened.
On a side note, I got into RPG's with 3rd ed DnD. As I recall it took me under an hour to make Lady Savele Androga, my first pc, a human Paladin, and my first solo game with her (to learn the rules) was relatively easy, the rules where mostly intuitive and I had a great time investigating a goblin filled cave to find a sacred sword only to be ambushed by the villages mayor who was actually a wererat. Still have his mini.

Now, come again and tell me, in the King's English;
>why is fatal worth defending
>and if its not, why are you doing so
>why it's writer is so special
>why he is worth defending
Leave out any schizophrenic ramblings about "dark undersides of the trrpg community", or other deflections.

>>95914710
If you used your brain and not your ass when posting you would understand that going durr durr use the computer program derp is not good counterargument as good tabletop games clearly can be played without needing to jumping on the computer. If you need a computer program to do a key thing in your tabletop game then your game is shit.

>>95914790
Repeating "you lost the argument" like it's wishful thinking doesn't help you out. And I'm not even that anon, I just think the fact you can't refute anyone's assertions that the game's character creation system sucks beyond "Don't use the game's character creation system" is sad as fuck. That's essentially what "use the computer program" means, it's an admission FATAL is fundamentally broken and can't be used without outside intervention.

Related to retarded games, what is that one where you needed an official dice tower or rolls were invalid?

>>95914834
Was it a russian game? Cause I think I might know which one you mean if that's the case

>>95914843
I think so. I also remember the GM not actually being the GM and having to do shit by the book exactly.

Why are you people arguing with an obvious troll with time to kill?

>>95914860
Good question

>>95914859
Ah yes, VTNL. Its legacy still lives on. Funny, I actually know a Russian game dev/translator, and he told me that VTNL isn't even considered notable due to how many shitty games are still there that have yet to be uncovered, VTNL's creator just made the biggest ass of himself which is why anyone even remembers his shitty game at all.

>>95914877
>Funny, I actually know a Russian game dev/translator, and he told me that VTNL isn't even considered notable due to how many shitty games are still there that have yet to be uncovered,
That is a horrifying revelation

>>95914766
The pigeon on a chessboard routine is amusing, but I worry that you think you are actually making good points. You don't know how alignments work. You don't know how mosnters work. You assume every game is brimming with lurid violence against cruel and even more violent people, and when told that it's wrong, you declare some retarded deflection that doesn't actually correct or explain anything. The fact that you think "evil = rape and torture" only reinforces, for the millionth time, that you are a deeply unwell little faggot edgelord.

>>95914909
It should be, but I've been told to think of most of the russian game dev community as being mostly all talk and theory, less on actually getting shit done, so most of the worst abominations of game design rightfully just get relegated to the dust bin of history rather than stay like shit stain smears like FATAL and VTNL.

>>95914801
>1st world
So no excuses I see.

>1st world
Yet 2 world Russians and their 90s 2000s PCs are a meme to this day.

>. For those of us in working class families it was different.
Statistics say different.

I mean maybe your parents where retarded or something... and you managed to evade that mandatory computer class in school somehow....

>I was born in 1994.
This gets more and more crazy.
So in 2004 you are 10 .... in 2004!!!!!!!!!!!

>to anime was either Lupin III and the Castle of Cagliatro, or Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind,
The fuck? Did you just put together names you do not understand? How was it not DBZ? Late 90s DBZ was the craze and pokemon. The fuck?! You understand why people are fascinated with you people do you?

How the fuck was Lupin III and the Castle of Cagliatro your introduction to anime???

> "dark undersides of the trrpg community", or other deflections.
Translation:
>Answer my nonsensical loaded question and ignore your reasons for interacting with us crazy fatal haters
NO! I refuse to answer your loaded questions.

I am not defending fatal can you finally understand this? What interests me are you fatal hating lolcows. Because you manage to say the most insane shit imaginable. Fatal is a over complicated game i have no interest in playing.

>dark undersides of the trrpg community",
More like the retarded side.
The SJW triggered side.
The toddler side.

I mean you fucks still can not come back from how the fuck LOTR movies is not triggering you with cannibalistic orcs who where going to inflict massive pain on the protagonists however having this in your RPG is literally a sick fantasy of a psychopath.

Howe about the fact that you can not even explain how your campaigns look like. Or what is the most evil thing your evil NPCs did there.

>>95915043
The more you type, the more you reveal how much of a close-minded shut-in you are to not understand viewpoints outside of your own.

Also,
>I am not defending fatal
You keep insisting FATAL is good out of one side of your mouth while agreeing it's crap with the other, and then acting like the whole world is crazy instead of you. Which is it, you dumb fuck, is it good or bad?

>>95909213
>>95909645
>>95909684
Bы вce oшиблиcь хa хa хa
(All of u are miss, ha ha ha)
Im a random shizo)

>>95912691
Based.

>>95915101
>The more you type, the more you reveal how much of a
Projection or parting my talking points? Let others decide!

>of a close-minded shut-in
Can you magically explain how you did not have a PC in 2004 despite living in the first world?
>of a close-minded shut-in
How exactly did you managed to not engage in the MANDATORY computer classes in school despite living in the 1s world and being 10 in 2004?

You realize that you are a incredible lolcow do you? Like where you home schooled and never interacted with others or something?
>shut-in
Is this projection?

>You keep insisting FATAL is good out of one side of your mouth
Quote where I did say something like that. I wait.
If you ignore this request we can all agree that you are debunked as a real person and only to be mocked. So go on QUOTE ME or retract this objection.

>>95915140
You're the one insisting FATAL has interesting ideas you like, despite refusing to elaborate further. Implying you think it's got merit and that it's good. And you've yet to refute this by elaborating what you think is bad about FATAL either.

Also, not that anon, but I didn't have a computer myself until the 2000s either. Even as a suburban kid, there was only a single computer in my house for my parent's workplace, and it was running windows 98 for ages. Things like computers and the internet did not take off for a while outside of the business and nerd world. You're an idiot, Virt.

>>95915138
Cool story, bro

Holy fucking shit he's still at it. Stop engaging with him, it's pretty clear you're not going to convince this spaz of anything, and he's just enjoying the attention.

>>95915189
>was only a single computer in my house for my parent's workplace, and it was running windows 98
And you where not allowed to use it???

>and it was running windows 98
YES and??? So was my.

>Things like computers and the internet did not
I know. Yet you or the other guy (or you pretending to be a different anon) insisted that no one did have a printer connected to their PC during that time. Like I was saying you fucks are crazy!

Either there was a printer or you took your .DOC files to print in the library who did have a printer. What else where you using a computer for?

>You're the one insisting FATAL has interesting ideas you like
QUOTE ME.
And interesting is not the same as good. I see like 2 or 3 interesting things in fatal and I doubt I did say them in this thread.

>Implying you think it's got merit and that it's good.
The fuck? No retard this is not how words work.

Fatal is a over complicated game what I think is a interesting idea in it is for example having a game where your characters die fast and have permanent crippling injuries that can not be fixed something like Darkest Dungeon with body horror. That is a INTERESTING IDEA maybe for another game to make. And you fucken show where I did say before this it was interesting. I wait.

Interesting however not good in execution.

PS: I remember someone mentioning some necro zombie anime girl RPG that did have permanent damage to the body.

>>95915043
Computer classes at school are not the same as owning a pc you dumb fuck
>I mean maybe your parents where retarded or something
Tl: "what do you mean you poors could not afford a luxury that all us middle class suburbanites with our two cars, nice detached houses, and big incomes could? Ha ha, imagine having to live on a budget, what retards"
Your huffing your own facts so hard your heads stuck up your ass, better check max circumference or your going to suffer tearing.
>How was it not DBZ
Because it wasn't on, retard. It was pokemon, digimon, and beyblade. Fuck me, your special.

Anyway, your defending FATAL. Why? You have not answered coherently, probably because you cannot.
I hereby diagnose Terminal Autism. Patient displays clear signs, notably an inability to see outside of its own world view, refusal to accept ideas that do not conform to its own, inability to process basic arguments or formulate them, or indeed anything beyond "im right b-because I JUST AM, OKAY", and consistent "I win, I win, I win" statements. Subject also displays signs of schizophrenia.
Consensus, retardation, terminal autism, mild schizophrenia.

>>95915308
>not good in execution
There we go, that's all we needed to hear. Thread over.

>>95915204
>and he's just enjoying
I enjoy milking lolcows like you.

>it's pretty clear you're not going to convince this spaz of anything
WOW look a crazy lolcow.
OK can you name any online debate where the other side did change their mind. I wait....
OH LOOK! You are one crazy fuck with no grasp on reality!

PS: You can change my mind only it is incredibly hard and for you lolcows bordering on the impossible.

Like how exactly will you change my mind on the fact that 90% (or more) of people in 1999 did have home computers? Or that about 99.9999% of people in 1999 did have access to a computer?

Like how will you do this? Will you prove my memories are fake? That the poor kid from the family of literally 8 kids in the house did have their family PC? That there never where computer classes in school in 2000?

That no library did have a computer and printer to use? I am actually curious.

>>95915339
>facts
Meant farts. Autocorrect is a cunt.

>>95915308
>I remember someone mentioning some necro zombie anime girl RPG that did have permanent damage to the body.
Nechronica. And damage is not permanent, your body can check repaired and parts replaced. You don't know what your prattling about. Do us all a favour, make a noose, stick your neck in, and jump.

>>95915343
>There we go, that's all we needed to hear. Thread over.
Look you area crazy lolcow.

>There we go, that's all we needed to hear.
Did you fail to understand the 30 times I did say
>I am not defending fatal
and
>Fatal is over complicated
Like did you not register that lolcow?

>Thread over.
This was never about fatal, fatal exposes really crazy lolcows here. Lolcows who play it despite hating it... And are obsessed with a game that is dead for over 22 years to this day!

How about the fact that these lolcows now say that no one did have home computers in 2000? Or some shit?

This thread is a master class in trolling. Well done, OP, well fucking done.

>>95915369
Is it trolling if the oblivious autist is 100% serious about what he's saying? Cause it's /tg/ and I'm not sure this is an act

>>95915369
Unfortunately, he is deadly serious.

>>95915339
>Computer classes at school are not the same as
However they motivated all the parents to get family PCs in 1998 or so.

>luxury
Look a crazy LOL cow!
PCs where pushed as the next technological step! A necessity like electricity!

>a luxury that all us middle class
From the guy in the 1 world....
While Russians in the 2 world all got family PCs....
The fuck?

>a luxury
While the poor kids from the family of 8 did get their family PC in 1999.....
See why you are a crazy LOLcow?

>with our two cars
Want to see the calculated prices for a PC in 1999 VS a car in 1999 or is the fact that literal poor Russians got family PCs enough for you?

>Computer classes at school are not the same as owning a pc you dumb fuck
Yea however in these classes you learn you can use the library PC. And you can use a floppy disk with the program to generate characters and print it out. See why your argument is retarded?

>live on a budget,
I do not know maybe your parents where retards or they blew all their money on crack or something. Where you homeschooled by some american crazies? Amish or people who hated computers?

>t was pokemon, digimon, and beyblade.
From the guy born in 1994 who says his first anime was Lupin III.... I can try to make a scenario where this is true however.... The fuck?!

>Anyway, your defending FATAL. Why?
Because I am not, How many times do I need to tell you this?

>diagnose Terminal Autism. Patient displays clear signs, notably an inability to see outside of its own world view, refusal to accept ideas that do not conform to its own, inability to process basic arguments or formulate them, or indeed anything beyond

>Consensus, retardation, terminal autism, mild schizophrenia.
PROJECTION!

>>95915381
Yes I am deadly serious that if you lived in the second world in 2000 you did have the ability to print out a character sheet generated by a PC program.

However you lolcows continue to disagree.
Despite insisting you are from the first world!

PS: This is not related to fatal it is some crazies on /tg/ making a insane argument that violates everything in 2000s and late 90s (COMPUTER) history!

I mean if you did say you are from the 3 world literally all questions are answered.... However you insist you live in the first world!

>>95908590
Designing a TABLETOP GAME so that it requires you to use a computer program to make characters is a pretty bad design decision, yes. Same as if a wargame required you to run a ballistic simulatior to determine if you hit or not.

>>95908683
A computer isn't comparable to analog game pieces when talking about analog games anon. If I wanted to play a game using a computer program I would play a videogame, if I wanted to play a game using dice I would use dice. There is absolutely no reason to use the both of them in conjunction.

>>95915369
Are you sure he trolling and not just have brain damage from shoving things too far up is butt?

>>95915424
>>95915479
I guarantee you that contrary to your revisionist understanding of the world, in the 2000s absolutely zero people were wasting time printing out a character sheet for a failed product such as FATAL. Let alone needing to print out a character sheet for any other game like D&D or Pathfinder, since it was a lot cheaper to go into a game store and buy character sheets. On paper. Since that's how human beings normally table-top rpgs. In person, with physical products. Not that you seem to even play games at all or have stepped outside your basement.

>>95915360
>Nechronica
Thanks for the name I did half remember something.

>And damage is not permanent, your body can check repaired and parts replaced
Good to know (I did not remember what the game actually was)

What do you think of a game where you make a character who has permanent damage and will degrade overtime from combat? Maybe do it like Darkest Dungeon where you roll for new characters after your previous one died to finally clear a dungeon? The combat needs to be super fast (not like in fatal) to not slow this down.

The idea is interesting (does not mean good) maybe make something like this?

>>95909139
Anon you can't even face the question of why the tables are even in the book if you're supposed to just use the program

>>95915521
>for a failed product such as FATAL
Fatal is inconsequential to the argument you insist you where unable to run a program and print out a character sheet from it in 2000 this is false. It is irrelevant if the game is good or trash I am only reacting to your crazy assertion. We can talk about printing out a output of a program that calculates primes or something like that.

>to go into a game store and buy character sheets.
Ah yes the consumerism the sucking to mega corporations!

Did you blow all your money on crap like this?
> and buy character sheets.
See the MTG argument.

You got triggered over the computer requirement. I asked a question you never answered what if the only legal way to play fatal was to buy random character booster packs in game stores (characters generated randomly with the program) would you love it then? Because you are triggered by the character creation and literally bend over backwards to not use the program to generate a character.

>>95909176
>Because your hypothetical is like 99.999999999% impossible

Are you seriously trying to claim that it's 99.99999999% impossible for someone to be able to have a book, dice and paper on their person but not a computer?

>>95915571
And you seem unable to answer the basic question of why the book contains instructions and charts on how to create a character if the creator didn't intend for them to be used and instead use a program for it. And you never have.

>>95915570
>Anon you can't even face the question
What question?

>why the tables are even in the book
Why are you asking me this? How should I know? I told you OVER AND OVER AND OVER that if you read enough of Byron Hall you realize he is AUTISTIC.

If he was more autistic he would include the literal bindery HEX code of his program in his book (like other books did! That I can name!) !

>>95915364
You can't seriously think everyone else is the lolcow in this situation and not you right? Like what do you think is actually reasonable about anything you've said here? You're actively trying to defend a tabletop game from being called poorly made and confusing that you yourself apparently believe is poorly made and confusing

>>95915479
I could print out a character sheet generated by a PC program by late 1980s, assuming I wrote the program myself, got teacher's permission to use the printer, and local network was working that day.
But I had no reliable internet connection to download somebody else's pet project until mid 2000s.

He keeps saying "lolcow", how likely do you think it is that he has a thread on Kiwi Farms?

>>95915595
The question that if you're just supposed to use the program, why were the tables included in the book?

It's almost like the author... didn't expect people to be able to/ choose to use the program? I wonder what the says... that people playing tabletop games at the time might not always be able to/want to use a computer for their tabletop game?

>>95915639
It's a trait that comes up with lolcows with severe autism, they'll start parroting words and insults thrown at them without properly comprehending them, mostly out of denial and the hopes that throwing the accusation back onto the accuser will piss them off far harder

Though with how fucking weird Kiwi Farms is, I wouldn't doubt it if this is truly someone like virt

>>95915579
>Are you seriously trying to claim that it's 99.99999999% impossible
Yes. You can milk the 0.000000001%

Lets see
>Even in the hypothetical situation where someone will not have access to the computer
The subject is having access to a computer.

>impossible for someone to be able to have a book, dice and paper on their person but not a computer?
I am saying that it is almost impossible for someone not to have access to a computer especialy in 2000! You can milk the 0.000000001%

>dice
The subject is access to a computer.

>dice
Quick question if you walk to 10 random people in 2000 and ask them
>YO do you have dice on you!
How many do you think will have dice on them or even in their home?
How many will have a computer at home in 2000?

And keep in mind that you will engage in people who are not into tabletop and do not have dice or anything.

>dice
Nice twisting fatal requires D100s like multiple of them! So how many will have D100s on them or in their home?

VS How many know they can go to the library to get computer access there? Do you see the problem?

>>95915585
>And you seem unable to answer the basic question
That is not a basic question.
>why the book contains instructions and charts on how to create a characte
1) not defending fatal
2) See: >>95915595

>Why
3) [Theory] BECAUSE THE GUY WHO MADE THE GAME IS AUTISTIC!

>>95915585
>I evade all your questions LEL
You lost the argument.

You are exposed as the consumerist pay pig who only buys buys buys from mega corporations.

>>95915681
Nice red herring, lolcow. "The creator is autistic" is not an answer since the creator's medical history does not factor into the intent behind its creation. The correct logical answer would be "they were intended to be used straight from the book". An act that you agree does not allow you to properly create a character. Ergo, a bad game.

>>95915685
Ad hominem

>>95915621
>You can't seriously think everyone else
There are only 3 people in this thread the pessimistic interpretation it is only me and the other turbo autist.

> You're actively trying to defend
you debunked yourself as a human being.
I am not defending fatal go tattoo this on your eyes so you do not forget.

> from being called poorly made
you debunked yourself as a human being.
I AM saying that fatal is over complicated and this is a bad thing. Go tattoo this on your eyes so you do not forget.

>>95915629
>But I had no reliable internet connection to download somebody else's pet project until mid 2000s.
look the CRAZY the CRAZY!

So you never did have friends who did bring programs and you exchanged them locally with no internet? Like your life is one tragic joke is it not?

>>95915639
>He keeps saying "lolcow",
Because this is what you are.
A lolcow. You are one fucked in the head human who generates bizarre and crazy answers, I am milking you by interacting with you. I am milking the absolute insanity you generate and encouraging you to milk yourself like this insanity: >>95915629 like jesus fuck! Look >>95915733


>>95915661
>they'll start parroting words and insults thrown at them without properly comprehending them
Are you projecting? Because I did catch you parroting my insults before.

>they'll start parroting words and insults thrown at them without properly comprehending them
Like explained you are the lolcow since you say borderline impossible things unless you grew up amish or some shit. The not having access to a computer is a big part of your insane worldview. Or that you think this was true for most people in 2000

>>95915640
See: >>95915681

>>95915716
>Ad hominem
Look the lolcow does not understand what this word means!

>>95915639
Yeah, definitely a lolcow. Note how he outright hurls buzzwords around in a form of "I'm not the angry one, you are" sort of self-defense. It's very typical of their type.
>>95915777

>>95915691
>"The creator is autistic" is not an answer
Yes it is lolcow.

>"The creator is autistic" is not an answer since the creator's medical history does not factor into the intent behind its creation.
And saved into the lolcow folder.
The direct opposite you crazy lolcow. He is autistic therefore he makes autistic things like over complicated RPGs.

>>95915820
Begging the claim

>>95915822
Look the lolcow randomly quotes logical fallacies.
Comedy gold!

>>95915831
You've yet to prove you aren't committing any logical fallacies, virt

Can we kill this faggot with bricks now? are you guys done milking the lols out of this guy?

>>95915844
>logical fallacies,
Look the lolcow retard thinks logical fallacies are valid!

>>95915862
Sure. He seems to be running out of steam and logic anyways. If he had any, that is.

>>95915862
Talking to the invisible people in your head are you schizo?

>>95908590
>Once again do the experiment with D&D, see how confused people will be if they only read the books.
The fact that you deem reading a book a confusing and mentally challenging task at least explains why you defend this game so passionately.

NTA but
While I admit that having a character creation be so convoluted that you need a computer generator isn't ideal and reveals the fact that there is clearly some flaw with the system.
I have to admit we are harping on the one bit of the system the creator realized and attempted to fix (albeit in a slapdash and unsatisfactory manner), which feels rather unfair
tl;dr: DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS

And here I thought that Shadowdark was the new bait meta, but this idiot pulls out fatal and we're gonna hit the reply limit within the day.

This is stale, obvious bait and you should all feel bad.

>>95915895
>which feels
I am more interested that the need to use a computer triggered some retards so hard that they invent out of this world scenarios where this is unacceptable like they are some fusion of a orthodox jew and ultra amish who will not let others print out the character sheet to be given to them.

>which feels rather unfair
Anon you really need to read what the crazy mods on RPG.NET did say after Byron Hall told them about the character creator. Because that is pure insanity. They started rambling about DBZ condoms and how their sister rapes their mother!

It is unreal!
The only crimes Byron did was being autistic and making a over complicated game and these fagots start ranting about DBZ condoms and think they are some super cool 2000s internet people.

>>95915987
>but this idiot pulls out fatal
Daily reminder I would not even know about fatal if retarded fatal haters did not bring it up in every occasion.

You think this is some stealth promotion for fatal or something.

>>95915987
The hell is Shadowdark?

>>95916093
I swear all these haters sound like some stealth promotion for all these games!

>>95916131
God, shut the fuck up already

>it's another 4chan schizo getting buttblasted thread
And by defending FATAL of all things lol

>>95907870 (OP)
>So, why haven't you tried F.A.T.A.L. yet?
Memes aside, there is no real reason to play this if you are familiar with any other dark fantasy games. It is a very slow and clunky game engine for no real reward. On top of that, people aren't interested in rolling to resist random rape urges in combat.
Even if you like parts of it, you are better off just translating the concept from the ground up in a less shitty game.

>>95916749
Any recommendations for dark fantasy games? Cause I find a lot of them tend to have a poor balance between the dark and fantastical elements

>>95916813
>Cause I find a lot of them tend to have a poor balance between the dark and fantastical elements
Tell me what tone you are going for, that should help narrow things down.

>>95916907
Basically the kind of setting where people can achieve great things if they're willing to pay terrible costs, so probably somewhere between Legacy of Kain and Soul Sacrifice. I mind less if I'm in a game where my character may ultimately be doomed or is a puppet of fate, I just don't enjoy the kind of game that outright encourages every single battle and small victory to immediately be turned into a failure or setback.

>>95916978
Then play something like Exalted 1e with mortal characters or Abyssal Half-Casts from the player's guide. Besides that, maybe RIFTS or Shadows of the Demon Lord might also fit the bill but I am less familiar with them.

>>95917015
Is Exalted 1 one with mortal characters even viable? Cause I heard that it was never really balanced with them in mind

>>95917071
>Is Exalted 1 one with mortal characters even viable?
It is, but for the most part you will need to stick with lesser enemies who don't hard-counter the group because they didn't buy the one ability to interact with them like ethereal opponents.

>>95917119
Well, almost anything's worth a shot then. Thanks for the recommendation, anon

>>95915895
>I have to admit we are harping on the one bit of the system the creator realized and attempted to fix (albeit in a slapdash and unsatisfactory manner), which feels rather unfair
That's because most people can't be bothered to use the other rules because of how shit character generation is.

>>95917241
kek true

>>95917241
Precisely. The progression system alone feels like a practical joke on the creator's part, considering how impractical leveling up most of the occupations is

>>95917203
I hope you have a good time.

Ok so what's the deal with the DBZ condom thing, there's no way rpgnet didn't nuke from orbit anything proximal to this subject. Non schizo answers only please.

>>95918202
Unironically, autism. I google searched the phrase, and got this review of Simone from rpgnet bashing FATAL, and I guess it triggered this particular lolcow extra hard.

https://www.rpg.net/reviews/archive/14/14567.phtml

Hey OP, aré you defending FATAL just because It has racism, rape and children murder or do you actually like something about this system you haven't read or played?

>>95917264
Also they tried to remedy that with another progression system but they caped the level ups to 1.99 per session for some reason.

>>95918498
As fun as those things are FATAL is a fun read mostly because it spouts enough shit you get something funny every other page.
BR?

>>95908207
If you can make it into a dating simulator but high fantasy, it'll work. Or a date rape simulator, because this is F.A.T.A.L. we are talking about.

>>95918404
I'm kind of disappointed, I was hoping it was going to be something interesting but it is just a one-line throw-away dis.

>>95918202
>there's no way rpgnet didn't
Ah yes you must suck your RPG.NET god off.
Sadly these are their professional reviews.

>>95918404
>I google searched the phrase,
You mean you managed to not see the URL in the picture?
https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/FATALReviewRebuttal

>>95918599
Lets see this cringe in action keep in mind these are the retards idiots to this day keep on parroting. Pure cringe and failure at comedy.

Sartin: He's not joking, people, and I wasn't, either. Those of you wondering what the most ass-tastic RPG of all time would look like - the one whose suck factor will forever demolish all challengers and tower over the ages with all the majesty of a homeless, mindless, drooling, shit-obsessed, impotent moron standing on a mountain of used Dragon Ball Z condoms - can finally die in peace.

The arguments are over. Anyone who says anything else is the worst RPG ever will...well, I'll inject kerosene into my bladder, piss on them, and then set them on fire. This game sucks THAT much.

Godfuckingdammit. We're hardly four words into the review, and already the game has dragged me down to its level.

So, why is it so bad?

'Cause it's the Necronomicon of role-playing games. Not in the cool way, where it's a source of occult knowledge with a terrible, terrible price. It's the Necronomicon in the sense that if you leave a printed copy on your shelf with other RPGs, then the other RPGs will be clustered around the dead, violated body of one of its own in the morning. The copy of FATAL will most likely be down at the station in the Sex Crimes interrogation room, trying its best to put on an innocent face and failing miserably.
YIKES! CRINGE! Imagine not bullying these retards for their retardation.

And this LGBT+ rainbow is in their logo see
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php

>>95918578
>Its le date raping simulator
Here we go again.

>>95918599
>it is just a one-line throw-away dis.
More like retards being cringe.

>>95919064
>https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/FATALReviewRebuttal

>This game is the most historically/mythically accurate, given its premises. For example, it should be obvious that it is accurate to medieval Europe
> I will continue to refute claims that FATAL is not historically accurate, given its premises.
Did the guy ever cite sources for all the deformed genitals, nipples and assholes that apparently just littered history between 3000 BC-1545 AD?

>>95919064
Virt, unlike you, the majority of people don’t hold onto their enragement over a throwaway insult made decades ago to make fun of a loser like Bryan Hall. That you are this fixated on it is so beyond pathetic. Strike too close to home, did it?

>>95919152
Probably his own “juicy” asshole

>>95919152
Byron Hall is AUTISTIC something you realize very fast reading his posts.
Now imagine an autistic man saying this what is your response?
A) Say NO
B) Ask for sources
C) Question this with facts

Z) Go absolutely cringe and star ranting how you have DBZ condoms up your own ass.

Do you see the problem with fatal haters? They are one fucked in the head lolcow collective they managed to turn a insignificant over complicated RPG that should have gotten forgotten into their life and rant about it to this day exposing the most insane and cringe shit you can imagine.

>>95919158
>Virt
I am not Virt.

> hold onto their enragement over a throwaway insult made decades ago to make fun
Imagine a supposedly professional review website saying this and looking more insane and cringe than the creator of fatal imagine THIS!

>a throwaway insult
More like the retards at RPG.NET exposed their cringe levels to the world.

>make fun
IT IS CRINGE! All they say is pure cringe.

And then the lolcows wounder why people ridicule them over this to this day.

>>95919234
>>95919241
you sound like virt. And to be honest, the only one that’s fucked up in the head is you, considering nobody thinks of FATAL outside these threads where they get to go “Oh, right, that one shitty game where you fuck people to death or whatever” and thengo about the rest of their lives doing whatever., unconcerned about a crap game that nobody cared for beyond mocking it’s shittyness. The fact you are so fixated on this subject despite your repeated denials shows you do like it and are still super butthurt about this shit, so why not just make your own stupid fan community to talk about it and be happy? Or are you like what the other anons say and some kind of masochistic bitch who gets off on being shown as the fool repeatedly?

>>95919234
>>95919152
Thinking about it, Priapus do exists, and there are plaques of giant vaginas with legs from the middle ages... so I guess his idea was basically a past where everything was real.

>>95919080
>The only two noteworthy things of your game are the shitty systems and the rape
>Get angry when people point It out

>>95919241
One single Review made you seethe this bad for this long? Based

>>95920232
But remember! He's not "defending" FATAL, he hasn't played it, he hasn't read it, he has no one who will play anything with him, but it's very important that he correct /tg/ about this one pathetic game that isn't even good (by his own admission), because... ... ...

>>95920232
>One single Review
More like the crazy idiots on /tg/ making the most insane arguments and then someone liked to what a shit shows did the retarded mods do when the game was out.

Why do you idiots suck the dick of these retards at RGP.NET?

>>95920601
I don’t like either RPGnet or FATAL. And I still consider FATAL shit on its own merits. What now, dumbass?

>>95907870 (OP)
Its cringy material could be compensated for, but it suffers from the cardinal TTRPG sin:
It isn't fun to play.

>>95920622
>I don’t like either RPGnet
Yet 99% of the time everyone who says they hate fatal starts saying the most insane shit imaginable and we are not talking about fatal at this point. Like a guy who insists that what 5% of people did only have home computers in 2004 in the first world?

Like WTF?

>>95920782
Nobody said any such thing. You’re the moron who can’t comprehend the world outside his sad, limited, limp-wristed grasp of reality. Either read the book you so vigorously defend like it’s your bible, or don’t come back at all.

>b-b-bbut RPg netto
Is not this website, and the fact that they apparently destroyed you hard enough to still cling to their review after 10 years ago as though it were today means you aren’t ready to talk about the last shit you had, much less rpgs. Now be off with you.

Reminder that /tg/ has had numerous FATAL character creation threads and even several groups who have tried in earnest to play and run FATAL as intended. Not a single one of them enjoyed the system itself, the process, or found the mechanics especially good in any way that would be worth the trouble of saying the game is anything but bad. Trying to blame RPG Net is silly when anyone who actually engages with FATAL on its own terms finds it to be, at bare minimum, a very badly designed game.

Why are you all talking about fatal when Racial Holy War is clearly the better system?

>>95920782
>>95920601

i can't understand almost anything you're typing, so please, explain slowly and very clearly what is your objective here. What exactly do you hope to achieve by defending FATAL, what is that you're expecting to happen.

>>95920632
It isn't fun to play because it's not really a game. It's a random fantasy character generator and a shitty ERP tool because the guy with a statistics major decided this would be the best way to use his degree

>>95919234
No one wants to hear about how you can't stop thinking about sticking DBZ condoms in your ass.

>>95920916
I don't play that shit because ironically enough the Whites are the only ones without a special trait.

>>95920218
There is more to fatal than rape, there's also racism, slavery and cannibalism, I am tired that people overlook that because of the rape and shitty systems.

>>95920925
He may be someone who was banned from RPG net for being a retard and that mind broke him so he defending FATAL as a way to attack RPG net

>>95920819
>Nobody said any such thing.
LOL so you are literally wrong.
See: >>95915424 And See: >>95915043 And see: >>95914650


See why you fucks are the most insane thing imaginable?
>Herp deprp no one did say this
Except it actually happened!
See why you fucke are so crazy and wrong?
>The booookkkkk
NO. Like I was saying this has nothing to do with the book or fatal at this point.

You literally pretend like things did not happen or are to retarded to understand that your lack of information is fact.

Pro tip do not throw around words like
>Never
>Always
>100%

However me trying to educate you is more hopeless then me trying to teach my dog how to program.

>>95921220
What do you hope to accomplish here.

>>95921220
Take your own advice, schizo.

>>95909046
>>95909029

You're here because you're angry at /tg/ for saying FATAL is bad and because you got permabanned 10 years ago for trying to insist that it wasn't.

>>95921220
As you helped demonstrate, not a single soul has said 5% of homes in 2004 had computers. That’s you having an autistic shitfit because you completely and utterly missed the point of what was being made, that the baseline assumption that everyone who would play FATAL would be playing in conjunction with a computer to use the character generator therefore it doesn’t matter if the character creation charts are unworkable is not only presumptive but in fact massively incorrect, using an actual example of a time where computer usage was not as widespread to counter your claim that it is not an impossible situation to be in, making the fact that the game’s character creation system is broken a justified criticism that you have no counter for. Much like everything else ever said to you, which always involves claims that are wildly exaggerated and completely missing the Intent due to your pathetic need to pretend you aren’t anal annihilated about being wrong. You are so autistic that you might honestly need to be in an institution, anon. Seek help. For your sake.

>>95920891
>Reminder that /tg/ has had numerous FATAL character creation threads
And not one of them used the generator. The genius of people who hate fatal!

>Not a single one of them enjoyed the system itself,
for the last time I am not defending fatal, fatal is a over complicated RPG I have no interest in playing.

>Trying to blame RPG Net
1) fatal haters say the most insane things imaginable where you ask a question and never get an answer or only more crazy. This has nothing to do with fatal the game at this point only the fatal haters absolute disconnect from all of reality.

2) RPG.NET managed to have the most insane example of the most unhinged fatal haters that ever wrote text. I have no idea why they behaved like this and where thinking they are cool and not cringe and/or insane

3) My theory is that it takes a special kind of fucked in the head retard to be a fatal hater (A GAME DEAD FOR OVER 22 YEARS!)

The fatal magnetism theory explained.
1) There is this myth propagated (by who I have no idea, I am not a detective) that fatal is the worst RPG imaginable and
>HAHAHA LOOK HOW BAD IT IS AND LAUGH!

2) People who literally did never hear about fatal in their life (I only learned that it existed in 2020!) get interested and look into it or simply do not give a shit and ignore it.

3) These fatal hater rants are filled with the most insane shit you can imagine and there are 3 options
A) The subject is equally fucked in the head like the fatal haters and thinks these retarded rants that need to deny everything are valid.

B) People realize these rants are insane and ignore the subject

C) People realize that fatal haters are insane and the biggest lolcows in the world and get interested in fatal haters.

1/2

>>95920891
>>95921356
2/2

The ranting about DBZ condoms and thinking you are not a retard is a good example a very good example since the retards at RPG.NET (A website I did not know existed before 2024!) are supposed to be professional reviewers. Other insanity include
>Fatal is the le date rape simulator!
Totally made up lie or is that the schizophrenia of the fatal hater speaking?

Other insanity include
>Fatal is sick because it has monsters who eat children in it!
And I did contrast this to LOTR like the movies who have cannibalistic monsters in it who are THE EVIL GUYS!
Fatal haters can not explain why fatal is le bad for having monsters like this while LOTR is not.

You could have simple concluded like a neurotypical
>Fatal is over complicated and not fun to play.
>End of story!
Another forgotten badly made RPG.

However fatal is supposed to be this epic worst of the worst the part of the evil trinity the 3 worst RPGs ever made.

This gets people interested in you lolcows, it is also important to remember that the same fatal haters are obviously everything wrong in tabletop who post their unhinged SJW delusional rants on the internet.

>Trying to blame RPG Net
The theory is that the fatal haters of today did eat every cringe and schizo shit these retards wrote on this retarded website and propagated this myth how fatal is part of the trinity of worst RPGs ever made! Any questions?

>>95921363
> Any questions
How much alcohol did your mother drink while you were in the womb, virt?

>>95921324
Look crazy. More crazy.

Look retard we are not talking about fatal at this point it is you and your inability to understand real life and the presence of computers.

>bla bla playing fatal
Shhhh no retard explain to me how many homes in the first world did have computer in the year 2000 I wait.

> a time where computer usage was not as widespread
Oh look the absolute crazy wrapped in your fart sniffing sophistry! Can I get a number on that? WTF do you mean
>where computer usage was not as widespread
?????

>that it is not an impossible situation
Did you have a stroke while writing this? What is an impossible situation? Access to a computer in 2000?

> the game’s character creation system is broken
Shhh we are not talking about fatal you absolute human garbage. You inserted your insanity here.
How many homes in the first world did have computers in the year 2000?
Actually answer this!

> a time where computer usage was not as widespread
The fuck are you saying you crazy fuck? And there are computers in library's who you can use.

> a time where computer usage was not as widespread
It can be argued that access to computers is far more restricted now then it was in 2000 especially the crazy shit you did have back in 2000. Library computer running windows 98, no user accounts everyone has admin privileges and can install everything, no restrictions.

Can you even understand that you exposed your absolute insanity to the world and your literally wrong and delusional version of history of the year 2000?

>due to your pathetic need to pretend you aren’t anal annihilated about being wrong. You are so autistic that you might honestly need to be in an institution, anon. Seek help. For your sake.
Massive projection.

>>95921385
>How much alcohol did your mother drink while you were in the womb, virt?
A billion times less then yours.

>>95907870 (OP)
Anything where people's first reaction is to think it's an elaborate troll is secretly genius

>>95921363
>>95921356
>>95921440

So you're angry because FATAL has the reputation of being the worst ttrpg not because you like FATAL, not because you think the system is good, not because you care about the hobby but because... You just get mad when people call it bad?

>>95921440
> we are not talking about fatal
Too bad, this is the thread to do it, and you have failed to defend every single point you have raised to “prove” FATAL is not as bad as people say it is. You lose. Good day, sir.

>>95921356
>>95921363
>trying this hard
>not making a single valid point
>it is day 2 of this miserable thread
Hey virt, remember when you got kicked off of /tg/ so you ran to 4x2chan and then they bullied the shit out of you until you stopped posting? That was funny. We should do that again.

>>95909046
The game sucks ass, though, you idiot

>>95921254
He derives sexual pleasure from people telling him he's wrong. The better question is what WE hope to accomplish here, this turbosperg has made it clear as day that he's not interested in anything like human communication.

>>95921363
What is the evil trinity of worst rpgs?

>>95912070
>>95912724
>It's VirtualOptim
Thanks for that, I was wondering why the fuck a FATAL thread came up in a search...

>>95925828
With this whole site being a shell of its former self, it's kind of nice to know that Virt is still an insane fucking retard. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

>>95926032
What was even his point?
Trying to claim you can't say FATAL is a bad system if you've never tried to play it?!

>>95926651
He’s being a contrarian faggot, basically trying to claim that everyone who has a negative option of FATL is stupid because they’re either getting their opinions of the game from either decades old reviews that exaggerated their disgust for comedy, or that the main criticisms are overblown such as character generation being easy mixed with a program or combat not taking forever because characters are glass cannons and die in one hit.

The main problem being that, by his own admission, he has never actually played the game or properly read the book, while absolutely anybody else on /tag/ can and has done so to see how bad the game is, so all his arguments fall flat because he’s a conceited twerp who can argue the surface level arguments but doesn’t understand the underlaying points being raised.

>>95927044
He can argue that character creation I sn’t odious if you use the program, but it doesn’t make the character creation system any less flawed nor does it actually churn out characters people actually want to play. He can complain that people’s claims that combat takes ages is wrong due to its “speed”, but the fact he hasn’t cracked open the book means that he doesn’t grasp that any game system where making a basic attack has three times the amount of steps D&D does is going to feel glacial no matter what you do, and that a combat program doesn’t fix this issue either. He can complain all he likes that the game’s focus lemme, sex, slavery, racism, and the other odious aspects of human history are signs of “fragility” in the game’s critics, but he doesn’t have anything to answer for in regards to why all that is necessary. A game setting begin dark and unwelcoming is nothing unusual. Warhammer Fantasy is filled with cults full of horrible mutants, cannibals, and rapists, and that’s just the human side. But the darkness there serves a point, a fundamental contrast to the player characters potentially stopping those kind of monsters (or joining them). FATAL has no point.

Once you strip it of its garish and provocative content, it has nothing interesting, it’s all just charts full of random shit the creator thought would be funny. FATAL is a dull pizza cutter, trying to be all edge and no point, and failing at even that. Like, even if you and a bipolar ch of your goner friends wanted to actually play out raping women and children like sick fucks, this game’s insistence on an overabundance of rules makes it take so long and be so boring that you might as well go back to circlejerking it. For everyone else that is not a degenerate, this game offers nothing that another game couldn’t provide a thousand times better.

In short, beyond the memes, the game is shit. And you don’t need ancient internet reviews to find that out.

>>95926651
I think he's just angry at /tg/ and thought that this was something he could get one over on us. It's why his big stupid posts all amount to
>HUR DUR YOU'RE WRONG ARGUMENT LOST
or some string of incoherent meme phrases he repeated nonstop for 2 days straight.

I think, if anything, the real point is that Virt wanted to be able to talk about FATAL because it's such a pointlessly violent and edgy game, and that would make for a good excuse for him to share his violent rape fantasies ( see >>95914017 ) while pretending that he was still ostensibly still talking about a game.