Thoughts on BFRPG? I don't have money for 5e so this seems like a good alternative

>>95908101 (OP)
It is probably one of the best OSR games on the market. It is very much in spirit with BX D&D but with a few changes for quality of life and easing new players in. Not only that but it is 100% free digitally with lots of adventures and supplementary materials as well (classes, races, spells, equipment, etc). And even if you want the physical material, it is amongst the cheapest in that regard too, with all books sold at cost so you could get multiple core books, all of the splats and adventures that are up for print for a price of two of the three D&D 5e core books.

>>95908101 (OP)
Yeah, it's great.
Ran a few dungeon crawls in it.

It's good. I prefer third edition.

>>95908101 (OP)
BFRPG is the "classic D&D learning from 50 years of game design progress" that a lot of other OSR grifts present themselves as.
It takes what's best of BX and d20 and combines them into something actually worth your time.
>>95909512
Same, but the differences between the editions are small enough as to not matter unless you're a real pedant on the /osrg/fags who thinks AD&D1E and 2E aren't the same game.

>>95908101 (OP)
>>95908241

It is very good, though I'd mention OSRIC and just old rules cyclopedia too.

I recently got this and I like how it streamlines bx while offering a few options. Plus I can be a Lizardman

I also really enjoy this but this is a level of simplicity /tg/ probably won't like

>>95909512
What did change?
I thought they just got rid of the OGL and some terminology that WotC got their ™ on.

>>95908101 (OP)
Barring the treasure/xp, which can be lift from somewhere else, it's very good.

>>95909576
OSRIC holds onto the old combat math that doesn't add anything of value while giving gameless cunts an unearned sense of superiority for not needing bigger numbers.

>>95908940
Which ones? Any specific modules?
>>95909512
What's the difference between editions?

>>95909606
They added and reworked some monsters and spells

>>95908101 (OP)
It's my favorite tabletop RPG. I've been running a campaign with it for about a year. It's very simple, based on very polished rules, and doesn't have a bunch of flashy crap in it. It's very easy to convert content to it.
Some recommendations when using it:
>Look up Chris Gonnerman's personal campaign rules. It includes some extra rules that I enjoy.
>Include the optional rules in the back like "Gold for EXP". It's a 100% necessity. It paces the game too well and emphasizes dungeon delving for loot as the CORE of the game.
>As many people have mentioned in /osrg/, don't use the dungeon stocking tables from the back of the book. Either use the alternative ones from their website or use them from a different OSR game (My players have preferred AD&D's.) If you use the core book's stocking tables you end up with a game that is too combat heavy and one that gives magic items way too quickly.
>Somewhere on the BFRPG forum, there's a conversion guide. It's fairly simple to convert stuff on your own, but that guide is handy for if questions come up.
>Run Adventure Anthology 1, Chaotic Caves, and Morgansfort. They're all decent beginning modules, but they will require you to build off of them after the players have played in them a while.

>>95909512
Also, ^This. Like I said, I've been running the game for a year, and we still use the 3rd edition books. Just like 'em better.

>>95909852
What did they add that even mattered? I can't see like. Shifting goblin HP around being enough to care.

>>95909921
how is DC1

>>95910056
There really isn't anything different enough between editions to matter. Each "edition" is more of an editing pass than it is a real change to the game.
From the player's perspective everything since the 1.1 revision, the game has only gotten new spells. From the game master, some rules are explained a little differently, and you have more stuff to play with for choosing monsters and placing treasure.

>>95908101 (OP)
I think it's the most approachable OSR game between AAC, race and class, and a good wiki (S&W complete also competes in this regard). The books are cheap. You have a wealth of classic and new adventures, and it's not that hard to convert 5e stuff either. As far as retroclones go, BFRPG is a delight to run.

>>95908101 (OP)
I bet it's not /osrg/ approved. Fuck those fucking elitist cunts.

>>95908101 (OP)
The only reason I don't run BFRPG is because I'm a race-as-class autist. If you want to run it proper OSR style, then do take heed of what of other anons have told you about XP-for-gold rule and treasure tables (it's actually important), if you are just looking to run a fun 5e-like game (but on a better system) then you're golden, friend, no need to change anything.

>>95910741
"Sour grapes!", he declared!

>>95908241
>>95908940
>>95909512
>>95909554
Not good, not OSR. it's the poorfag's cope edition of a garbage shit brew.

>>95910873
>>95910741
It is, in fact, /osrg/ approved and well respected. You fucksticks don't play games and just want to stir the pot.

>>95910770
Why are you a race-as-class autist? OD&D had race and class separately, basic only combined them because there was clear optimal choices. BFRPG fixed that oversight.

>>95909581
I'm the /tg/ that's fond of simplicity, and even FKR. What do you like about it?

>thread full of positive comments and useful feedback about a clearly OSR game
>"EHM ACKCHYUALLY BAD AND NOT OSR AND FUCK YOU"
Like clockwork!

>>95908101 (OP)
I'm not sure you'll like it if you're just looking for a less expensive 5e, but as far as old-school games go it's pretty solid. I, however, prefer White Box FMAG.

>>95909720
I like OSRIC fine
BfRPG should also release a redesigned hardcover single book instead of the ugly spread of manuals it relies on. OSRIC is very comprehensive, when you're playing this is helpful.

>>95911179
3 stats man
3d6
It plays well with people who don't normally do this kind of thing

>>95908101 (OP)
For it's price, yeah it's worth it but like it's name it's a little basic and basically the cheap booze of the table top scene. It will get you drunk but you can get better if you have the money.

>>95911046
Race-as-class and level limits for demihumans keep the game human-centric, while also allowing for elves (and, to a lesser degree, dwarves and halflings) to feel like their own distinct thing mechanically and not just a cosmetic choice with some dice rolls attached to it.

And since this is /tg/ I'll add: it's because of you goofy niggas we ended up with all them freakshit races. B/X MASTER RACE!

>>95908101 (OP)
I like it, it's fast to modify. The books sold by the authors are cheap, the rules themselves are free.

>>95909832
>Which ones? Any specific modules?
I don't run premade stuff.

>>95911634
>Race-as-class and level limits for demihumans keep the game human-centric
that's retarded as fuck. PCs don't need to represent the game's world as a whole, and players can just be told to keep it human centric, that choosing to play as a demihuman comes with the implication they'll play as a demihuman instead of short/pointy eared person.
>allowing for elves (and, to a lesser degree, dwarves and halflings) to feel like their own distinct thing mechanically
no, they can perfectly just feel like different classes for humans if your players only chose the race for their mechanics
plus they make all your elves (or dwarves and halflings) feel more like reskins of the same character rather than different races.

>>95911634
>wants to keep the game human-centric
>uses Tolkien races
But why?
The Hobbit's party had no humans, The Fellowship of the Ring's party had only 2 humans in a group of 9.

>>95909720
>OSRIC holds onto the old combat math that doesn't add anything of value
Except having legs beyond 6th level when literally every under retroclone (and arguably rpg in general) under the sun falls apart while AD&D keeps trucking along.

>>95911046
>It is, in fact, /osrg/ approved and well respected.
Eh a lot of people consider it superflous and inferior to just running the originals and from what I recall Gonnerman had become a perpetually online type who was going to make changes to the new edition to 'stick it' to people who weren't bowing to pronoun retards.

>>95911757
You can tell your players they play as adventurers looking for treasure, or you can have them earn XP for every gp. In the same way XP-for-gold informs players of the correct way to play the game, race-as-class tells players from the start that humans are both the most common race but also the one with the most potential. There is elegance to this that I think is lost with separate race and class. PCs don't have to represent the game's world, but they are still living on it.
>plus they make all your elves (or dwarves and halflings) feel more like reskins of the same character rather than different races.
Every Elf Fighter is identical to every other Elf Fighter a lvl1, not an argument. You can argue that race-as-class takes choice away from the player (less character optins) and that's a valid point, but I say it's a cleaner design that simplifies character creation.

That said: BFRPG definitely doesn't need race-as-class and I acknowledge this is an acquired taste.

>>95910741
/OSRG/ isn't a single person.
It is currently suffering thanks to either a small clique or a very, very autisitic person though, and even though their/his posts about "TRVE OSR PVRITY MVST BE MAINTAINED" keep getting reported and deleted, he keeps ban evading and continuing just where he left off.

>>95911777
Good thing I'm not running LOTR as a campaign (disgusting storyslop out of some mediocre 2e setting full of freakshit races baka).

>>95911777
You're talking to a troll. Only a trolls exclusively say "freakshit."

>>95910741
Some fags disavow it because it has different treasure tables and gold for XP isn't a core thing there, but gold for XP never made sense in either AD&D or Basic D&D and gold often becomes meaningless after the first adventure as badly as the numbers are tuned.

>>95911981
The "gold as xp" argument is just an argument used to try to exclude 2e, even though 2e has gold as XP as an option.

The mental gymnastics performed in the OSR get outright insane at times.

>>95911981
>but gold for XP never made sense in either AD&D or Basic D&D
>gold often becomes meaningless after the first adventure
Actual retard.

>>95911981
>made sense
It's a game not a simulation.
>meaningless
You can't even level up without gold in AD&D.
Items are also the most obvious way to improve your character and play options.

>>95911374
Nice, is it in any of the troves?

>>95908101 (OP)
It's slop, play 5e instead. All other rpgs must be destroyed, and only 5e may remain

>>95909921
>Either use the alternative ones from their website
Which do you mean?

Come on, guys. At least put some effort in your baits.

>>95912043
>t. didn't read B/X

>>95911046
Not even close. I don't know where you got this false information, but don't spread it to other threads like you are an authority on this subject. The game is bad and people don't like it for the reasons that have been discussed ad nauseam, although I'm still happy to bring up all of the specific points for people who haven't seen it

>>95911757
Unfortunately, based on this posting, you are the one that is in fact stupid as fuck

>>95911925
Except it's not just elf Fighters it's elf clerics and elf Mages and elf Rangers and elf monks. That's all garbage and makes races feel worthless pointless and Bland.

>>95911936
Making up delusional lies and nonsense in your head to make yourself feel more reassured, is an extreme symptom of mental decline
>>95911962
Just like gatekeeping only bothers those who are being kept out, the only people who complain about the use of that term, are the very people that term is referencing

>>>95911981
>but gold for XP never made sense
A stupid worthless argument, and grounds for automatically dismissing anything you have to say from here on out

>>95911997
That has nothing to do with it, it's one of the reasons we don't like it, but the game is excluded because /osrg/ specifies the first decade of the game, not the first 11 years

>>95912887
It's not excluded though, it's just harassed by some retards who can't help but need to start drama about the dumbest shit.

>>95912924
2e is absolutely categorically off topic. Go to /todd/ and discuss your precious game instead of bitching like a woman.

>>95913126
>todd
what a fucking stupid name for a general

>>95912877
Drink the Kool-Aid, faggot.

>>95911885
>Gonnerman had become a perpetually online type who was going to make changes to the new edition to 'stick it' to people who weren't bowing to pronoun retards
based

>>95913157
The opposite actually.

>>95911876
>>95911885
You aren't /osrg/. If you aren't a samefag, and given the time between posts its hard to think you aren't, you are little more than newfags ignorant of your history who've allowed a single anon's spergfest dictate your opinion to you.
Your dungeons are two-dimensional and small, your treasure tables are slight and unrolled. You will never be a Lord or Wizard.
Your hearts bear no tonal consistently or mechanical fidelity.

>>95911885
>Gonnerman had become a perpetually online type who was going to make changes to the new edition to 'stick it' to people who weren't bowing to pronoun retards.
Proof? There's nothing woke in the games

>>95913126
Jesus christ you can't even keep your autism to one thread. You've grown from a general-sized plague to a board-sized one. Impressive for one retard.

>>95913152
You are the one complaining that the games that did it first, did it wrong. You are the new age Progressive cultist

>>95914180
Maybe you should actually just try posting on topic or making your own thread instead of bitching

>>95914203
Did you make this thread? If not, leave.
If you did, leave anyway, because no one likes you.

>>95914185
>If you dare question our dogma, your opinions are worthless
>You are the cultist
Sure. Now drink the Kool-Aid.

Is BFRPG any good for one on one duet play

>>95915161
While one can do duet play, the game does work far better as a group game in the same vein as basically all OSR games.

>>95908101 (OP)
Ran it for two campaigns and it's fine but has flaws as a retro clone. Main gripes are with monster reaction rolls lacking a neutral reaction, no alignment and stingy treasure tables. This makes it super slow compared to 1e. It served me well but I'll be using ad&d 1e from now on.

>>95914167
Dragonsfoot and the BFRPG forums bans people for acting like a /pol/tard. If there is anything else concrete, it's not common enough to be found on a cursory askjeeves search.

>>95915161
/osr/ systems are purpose built for group play. They only work for duet play if your player is comfortable controlling 3 - 5 characters.

>>95919170
>no alignment
>flaw
alignments were always dumb as fuck

>>95920123
They werent and arent. You are just too dumb to get them.

>>95920861
NTA, but explain what alignment adds to a game that isn't moralizing storyslop

>>95922391
detection spells?

>>95922391
>alignment is moralizing storyslop
you're a fucking idiot btw

>>95922828
Add to the game, not take away from player skill by enforcing storyslop gameplay.
>>95922874
Answer the question faggot.

>>95922391
>moralizing storyslop
It's not even "storyslop", since alignments in practice restrict how player and NPC characters act. Yeah, "it's descriptive not prescriptive" means nothing since it'd be fucking gay to be periodically evaluating whether a PC or NPC deserves to have their alignment changed based on their recent actions.
Gameplay wise it's also silly and anticlimactic to have shit like "you can only equip this robe is you're neutral" or so on. And detecting that some random NPC is "evil" might mean that he's actually the assassin the party has been searching for, or just that he is some unpleasant and generally selfish person.
Alignment's main effect in practice is just causing out of game arguments and mental masturbation.

>>95923053
>Alignment's main effect in practice is just causing out of game arguments and mental masturbation.
>anon doesnt understand the purpose of alignment

>>95923436
Then tell me what you think it's purpose is.

>>95908101 (OP)
What are the differences between it and OSE?

>>95923436
The supposed purpose was to show which factions (or their members) would ally or be enemies to other faction or their members.
Yet alignment is super shitty for that intended purpose.
The other common purpose is just shorthand for sets of values or even personality traits, but just writing a couple words instead is also more clear, effective and versatile.

>>95923761
OSE is a near 1:1 clone of BX with ascending AC as an optional rule.
BFRPG is a combination of the d20 SRD and BX D&D to create a versatile in-between.

>>95923807
Ok, so if stuff is advertised as OSR it should work with OSE out of the box and with Basic Fantasy it will take a bit of converting?
I'm looking around for a fairly simple dungein crawling game, but not as simple as nuSRs like Knave.

>>95923827
Yes.
If all you want is some simple old school dungeon crawling OSE is the better choice.
You have, without any extra DM prep, access to all of the BX dungeon modules, anything published as BX compatible and/or OSR that doesn't namedrop that its for the Advanced game, and if you're willing to do like 10 minutes more prep each session every dungeon module made for AD&D 1E (and yes 2E for what few modules it has that are actually dungeons).
That extra 10 minutes of prep or so would be needed for every single thing you want to use with BFRPG except stuff specifically for BFRPG.

>>95924132
To expand on this because I'm letting the autism win a bit.
The only reasons to BFRPG over OSE are the following:
1. You really hate Race as Class.
2. You prefer individual initiative, and somehow think that if its not the default rule then it's not allowed.
3. You like the fan-content for BFRPG and don't want to port it into BX/OSE.
4. You've been the OSR since before it was the OSR and want to advertise it like a hipster.
5. You're an avid user of Dragonsfoot and want one of the mods (Gonnerman, the guy who made BFRPG) to like you.

>>95908101 (OP)
As an OSR game, it's very flawed, but as a substitute for 5e it's great. A POD Rules Cyclopedia blows it out of the water for both uses, though, but you might not want to spend that money either.

Note though that most of the modules for BFRPG are very bland and you'll be happier getting other people's work, whether it's original D&D modules or newer OSR stuff.

>>95911936
>he is still attempting this outside the general, just because he's asshurt that new editions have always been off-topic for /osrg/
L M A O

>>95911997
>XP for gold is a meaningless rule only used to gatekeep 2e
>I'm a real OSR fan!!!!
kek, what a feeble wretch

>>95913480
no
anyone who gets redface offended during some tribalism bullshit on the internet deserves to take it all in

>>95919385
>Dragonsfoot and the BFRPG forums bans people for acting like a /pol/tard. If there is anything else concrete, it's not common enough to be found on a cursory askjeeves search
lmao

>>95927112
so you mean the osrfags who get tilted inside out at the mere mention of 2e?

>>95929057
They don't get tilted, they just explain to you patiently that it doesn't belong in their general in particular, just as it doesn't belong in /3eg/ or /5eg/. I've seen it, they've often suggested you just make a thread of your own for whatever it is you want to discuss, but you never do.

>>95929603
You've been shitting all over yourself. I'd hate to see what you'd do if you were actually mad.

>>95929603
Petulant pants shitting isn't patience or explaining, its you being the cancer that killed /osrg/

>>95929057
including

>>95926950
to be fair, it was created as an alternative to 4E. It is one of the games that predates and helped create the OSR.

>>95908101 (OP)
Game is good, but the creator is a fat faggot. I made a joke in the facebook group and he called me out and was all power trippy.

>>95930373
Yes, I agree that at the time it came out it broke ground, not mechanically (of course) but socially and mentally among the interested players. To my mind that's not terribly relevant to what OP's best options are right now, though, that's all.

>>95930734
The OP's question is already been put to bed, so its fine to talk about everything surrounding it.

>>95908101 (OP)
the poor man's Old School Essentials

>>95911757
simple, elves are the generic race
their long lifespan allowed them to move out and spread across the map long ago and settle into much more varied climates
so there there is no single elf archetype, they could be anything

humans, having short lifespans, can only spend their life mastering a single craft
and unlike elves, have mostly kept to their single city and the surrounding hinterlands
their short lifespans means evolution is more noticeable with them, so two sub-races of humans emerge
the city human and the country human, the former being limited to either wizard, thief, cleric, or fighter, the former being better at intelligence and dexterity the latter being better at strength and wisdom

>>95932493
They're both free and cater to different groups. Don't be that fag.

>>95930373
It was created before 4e was a thing, anon, it was a reaction to 3.5

>>95932751
same shit, different prices

>>95932751
NAYRT
>They're both free
There's a pretty big difference in the price of the print editions, though.

>and cater to different groups
How do you figure this? Don't they both cater to OSR gamers who like Basic?

>>95933557
>How do you figure this? Don't they both cater to OSR gamers who like Basic?
BFRPG caters to people who want a gameplay experience that doesn't throw the baby out with the bathwater on what TSR and WotC had learned over the decades of making D&D.
OSE is for people who want to play BX but don't want to play WotC's POD costs.

>>95908101 (OP)
There's a whole bunch of people giving vague ass answers talking about the game. This game is really just ose or b/x with a few very minor changes.
1) ascending ac and the use of attack bonuses over thac0 these have very simple formula conversions you can apply to most b/x compatible modules.
2) no race as class. This is a non issue. Race as class is cool and all but I think most people don't prefer it. If you WANT race as class you can very easily homebrew that in.
3) more monster xp. In my games I just say you get no xp for killing monsters, everything comes from gold and i adjust accordingly. But slashing the xp by half is also a valid ruling.
4) goes to 20th level. However the first 14 levels are unchanged and the same in terms of pc power.

I really wanted to play ose because I generally prefer decending ac and thac0 but I much prefer having a physical book that I can bring with me to games. Reading from a pdf is alright for some stuff but actually having the book makes life so easy.
The best part of the game is the supplements. All free and all very good. For example the barbarian on ose is much worse than bfrpg's versions