Cathayan Celestial Party department of propaganda edition
Resources:
WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwh
WM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgeba
WFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6
Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H
>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip
>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip
>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip
>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXS
https://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/
>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL
>Previous Thread:>>95907111>TQ: What the fuck is this?
All this cathay lore is just in-canon propaganda
Come up with variant rules for state troops from each Empire province /wfg/
>>95915460Wrong, nothing in the AJ is written from an in-character perspective.
>>95915444 (OP)>In many nations of Man, the rulers are all cunts. But not the Celestial Dragon.There's only like 4 other nations of man that we know about, right? So by "many" they mean "all the others, stupid gweilo"
Could someone please link me to the TOW rpg gamemasters guide ? That'd be awesome
>>95915477Cathay is so cool it can do that
>>95915480They literally go on at length about how every other human nation is barbaric and superstitious compared to Grand Cathay, even the golden age of Khemri.
>>95915467Why? Are middenheimers really that different from reiklanders to warrant special rules?
>>95915209C7 wanted more money, and WFRP(especially 4e) is pretty crunchy compared to recently made systems, so they probably thought they lost sales with WFRP due to that crunch
I do like the magic system in TOW RPG, improvising spells seems interesting and fits with TOW's magic system being a lot less defined than it is by the time of WFB/WFRP.
>>95915467Copy the stuff from Mordheim.
Reikland missile seegeants get +1 bs, middenheim sergeants +1 strength, and Marienburgers break the game by allowing you field 20% extra troops for free.
>tfw total war got a more nuanced and morally grey depiction of cathay and its dragons than the actual game
>>95915483It's not out in PDF form until July since it's "not ready yet"
>think it silly that Nippon is just the formal name for real life Japan transplanted into Fantasy
>Cathay is just an old timey name for China that is still used by some companies to this day
I think I shall cease trying to deny the silliness of Fantasy.
>>95915523Yeah that's pretty crazy, but you are correct.
>>95915524Oh, I see, thank you !
>>95915527It's girth shall extrude
Is Wild Herd for beastmen fun? It seems very silly to have a unit of 40 models and run them straight up the board.
>>95915523Total War takes place 200 years after TOW in a time where the End Times are canon.
>>95915538>Is Wild Herd for beastmen fun? It seems very silly to have a unit of 40 models and run them straight up the board.I'm under the impression that they might become good with a daemonology caster giving the that fly spell
>>95915467>Reikland: Sigmar's Own- State Troops of Reikland province have Hatred: Chaos>Stirland: Ceaseless Vigil- State Troops of Stirland may reroll the lowest dice in follow up moves>Averland: Eccentric Leadership- State Troops of Averland may use the generals leadership without the usual restrictions from command auras>Hochland: Crack shots- State Missile Troops armed with handguns may ignore penalties for firing at long range. >Nordland: Grim Tenacity- State Troops of this province may reroll all panic and terror tests>Middenheim: Sons of Ulric- State Troops of this province add +1 to combat resolution for each enemy casualty inflited by the unit on the opposing unit at the end of each round of combat>Ostland: Cold Temper- State Troops of this province may reroll charge rolls if the opponent has a unit within their deployment zone.
>Spend all day travelling.
>Get home.
>Open up good old /tg/.
>Go to see what I missed about TOW today.
>mfw
>>95915593He did nothing wrong.
>>95915444 (OP)link to AJ: Our Super Special Cathay Friends
and bad scan of Matched Play:
>>95914237
Can someone post the scan of the Cathay AJ? I want to read the totally true and accurate depiction of the greatest nation in the Warhammer universe
>>95915538Fun? Yeah you can have some cheap blocks thanks to gor/ungor and some wizard shenanigans. However gorsaken are very hit or miss and otherwise infantry isn't the best this edition. But you can stack some ridiculous buffs spamming wizards around a herdstone
>>>95915409Just an FYI, but the infantry buffs are coming in a separate PDF, not in the actual book.
>>95915593You will use the army break point condition.
You will get the Miao Ying body pillow.
You will actually paint your figures before buying more.
Yeah this writing is dogshit. Iโm gonna check out until I see the arcane journal for any of the legacy factions and see if maybe the writing improves.
Is the matched play shit at least any fun?
>>95915444 (OP)Fought a 750 game today against my Dwarf friend. Rolled for scenario and got open battle.
It was a bloody mess and Korgoth lead his warriors. The rangers gunned down my hounds while my knights went around to try a flank.
There was a massive fight between the Ogres and Dwarf warriors mid, ogres breaking and the marauders being overran into.
Korgoth, due to a major deployment mistake, had to watch with his warriors as their charge was blocked by marauder bodies! But the Chaos Knights, having gotten into position, flank charged the warriors. Between the flails and lances, they broke and ran, the marauders legging it into the rangers and knights overrunning into his Hammerers.
After 2 rounds of grinding combat, the dwarfs conceded. VICTORY TO CHAOS
>>95915628The rules are pretty good, but unrionically every tournament I've been to had the same army comp stuff. The missions are good and the objectives are nice (baggage trains make a return which is fucking cool. 60x100 dioramas that cannot move and can be destroyed by your opponent or held by your for VP).
>>95915467I mean the state troops themselves wouldn't bary too much, you could get different army lists with some different magic items, organization, and maybe special rules here and there, but a middenheim troop is going to be imperceptibly different from an averlander troop assuming they're in the same army under the same command
Whatever just get Cathay over with and release kislev already. Gimme an army of ugly rugged kossars and cute dainty ice witches.
>>95915477Isn't literally everything in Warhammer lore written from an in-universe perspective? That's why lore often contradicts itself and fa lions are always presented in their best light in their own books.
>>95915671This is why I prefer Fantasy over 40k. So much more variety. Even new armies like the proposed Kislev are visually distinct and not just generic dude in power armor #88.
>>95915674Pretty sure that's mostly bullshit and it's just GW being inconsistent and not caring to double check.
>>95915671I'm sorry, anon. The diversity commissariat has decreed that you're getting cute dainty kossars and ugly rugged ice witches.
>>95915444 (OP)AVANTI PIGGALO!
>>95915480Grorious Nippon is superior to Cathay.
>>95915728"CAZZATA, PIGGALO!
Do you approve of the book, or would stick with 4th edition instead?
>>95915731They do canonically have the most attractive women.
Out of demons, dragons, elves, according to the Hung Nipponese women are at the top.
For what the word and opinion of a chaos barbarian is worth.
>>95915713You know what I'll still take it
>kralmaw
>beastlord
>wargor
>centigor lord
>2x battalion boxes
>centigor herd + command
RAROO
High elves for friendly games, Cathay for tournaments.
Wood elves to look good on the shelf.
Dark elves as DoK for AoS.
>>95915690Imperial guard?
>>95915793Most of the armies in 40k are dudes in power armor.
I've seen maybe five guys play Guard the past five years. One playing nids. One playing Orkz.
>>95915746It just seems a bit shallow to me.
I don't know, the modern rpg thing of abstracting battle maps and money and stuff just doesn't work for my group. It falls apart in about 30 seconds as soon as the players start asking questions.
4e could really do with some fixing amd streamlining, especially things like size, fear, moving out of combat, some weapon/armour interactions and so on. But this ain't it. I skimmed the whole book for something worth stealing, but there isn't anything, really. Barely any new background. It's just fine.
The pre-college magic confuses me though. Everyone still perceives the eight winds. Magic doesn't seem any more dangerous. What exactly did Teclis do? Just say 'don't mix your winds, retards' and fly away?
>>95915646I really need to work on deployment. I ended up on a choke point and if not for a lucky charge with my knights I would have just gotten grinded out hard and get shot.
Lots of learning still.
>>95915628>arcane journal for any of the legacy factionI don't think there would be one. Maybe in the next edition, if ever
>>95915746Seems a little more accesible for newer players, might try it with my group.
He did it right ... It was him all along ?
>>95915918No, though he probably should have warned the Old Ones.
>>95915918That would give catahy some depth so no
>>95915929They knew the risks, not sure a warning would have helped.
>>95915699Is there anything to contest this? I don't think I've seen rhe narration used in rulebooks and armybooks use out of setting language before or refer to the setting as a "setting" and not as "the world"
That's not very cash-money of Xenny.
>>95915674>Isn't literally everything in Warhammer lore written from an in-universe perspective?No.
>>95915949There's definitely times when the books explicitly say things no person in the world knows.
>>95915967>warpstone-dust-infused clayThank fuck. The idea of them being made out of actual solid warpstone was just too dumb to countenance.
Still seems like a stupid idea though. I guess if you live in the warpstone desert to begin with then this is just tuesday.
>>95915349The elf death goddess Ereth Khial and all the Shyish wizards of the Empire went poof when Nagash separated Shyish from the Great Vortex in the end times, that was probably the end of Shiyama too, which meant Chaos could cross the Dragon River and go around the Bastion.
>>95915918It was either him, Morathi, the Fimir, or the Dragon Ogres yeah.
>>95916045It was caveman Be'lakor who bashed the control panels with his club.
>>95916043The river might have remained deadly anyway, but this time to both Cathayans and Chaos since it'd be on Nagash's side.
>the Sky Titans were actually gifted the knowledge of black powder by the Celestial Dragon, for sentimental reasons, in response to the ogres invading their lands
Well that's kind of lame.
>>95916086I mean, no different to the dwarves being taught how to make blackpowder by Cathayans.
>>95916086Remember when Votann were introduced and it turned out Tau railgun technology, their signature weapon, was just based on Votann designs?
>>95916086Cathay taught the elves how to irrigate as well
>>95916045The Cathay AJ suggests that it was the Chaos gods or their daemons who broke the portals, not anyone mortal
>>95916086Oh good, now instead of us knowing one interesting thing about the Sky Titans we know none.
Oh wait, they had flying mountains. Don't worry, though, Cathay has those too. Loads of 'em.
Has an actual mechanism for those been mentioned yet? Presumably they're not constructed, or Cathay would just be flying everywhere in aerial black arks.
>>95916119Don't forget about them teaching the Nehekarans how to build pyramids!
>>95916011Well you can have a narrator have knowledge no one in universe could have but that doesn't mean the narrator is outside the universe, people do that plenty with stories set irl but that doesn't mean the narrative voice being used isn't from irl.
What I'm looking for is a narrator breaking the 4th wall in such a way that shows it's talking about whf as a fictional setting which would make the statements that it makes it authorial truth.
>>95915728I got myself a pig on my own
>>95915918It would:
1) Make the setting slighty more interesting
2) Make Cathay slighty more evil / bad
So no.
>>95916134>Well you can have a narrator have knowledge no one in universe could have but that doesn't mean the narrator is outside the universeYeah it does, how else would they have the knowledge?
>>95916134If a book said something like 'everyone in the world believes X, but no one knows it's actually Y', wouldn't that count as authorial? That statement isn't fallible. It's not coming from a character who might get something wrong.
We thinking the Empire might get cut for TOW 2.0? They haven't been given much spotlight in the lore, it's been more concentrated on Bretonnia, and there's really no need for two generic human factions if one is far superior.
>>95916086They gave Sigmar's hammer to the dwarves
>>95916185I know you're trolling, but that would make setting the game just before the Great War Against Chaos a strange choice.
Ogres got a fair few mentions. I'm confident that the big lads will return to us soon.
>>95916231Crazy that it was Xen Yang who first taught the ogres how to eat
>>95916256Kind of true with the summoning the great maw thing.
They left out Be'lakor's involvement...
>>95916305Too busy getting pelted by rocks
>>95916305That was just Xen Yang in a horned helmet.
Miao and Sigmar definitely hooked up.
When Sigmar said his job was done he went across the world's edge mountains and was never seen again.
>>95916318The dragussy was too good...
Ok, placing bets now: Will GW remember that the last baron of Marienburg was Paulus van der Maacht and he died in the Great War Against Chaos?
At rhe moment we've got young girlboss Elspeth Magritta XVIIIXV, but the war is still a few years off. The fact that she's not a van der Maacht is telling though.
>>95916326based on GWs earnings report in China yes
>>95916379No, they won't. I am kind of sad we didn't get a Manaan & Mercenaries Magritta list.
>>95916379Considering Lords of the Lance still called the King of Bretonnia Louen Leoncoeur, I don't think GW knows who rules what at any time and is pushing Cathay so hard because the dragons are all immortal and that makes it easier for them.
>>95916426There's probably an internal conflict within GW between just bringing back the old world before ET and concentrating on the supposed period of TOW.
>>95916405>>95916426I can't get over the fact that they can't be bothered to just check the wiki for this stuff. They don't have to open any books to do actual research or anything, just look at the timeline on your phone while you're taking a shit.
>>95916445Nah, probably just McNeil being a shit author.
>>95916445I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were setting up an alternate universe/timeline thing to go back to the era of Franz and skip the ET
Is the balloon $160 with the store discount or is that GW's price?
>>95916463presumably GW's price.
>>95915746I would stick with WFRP, even if I were to just stick to the core rulebook, which for 4e is badly formatted with some jank rules like Advantage and Channelling that were improved later it just a more interesting system than what presented in TOWRPG
Cathayโs great and all but here is a proper Kislev/chaos marauder army.
>>95916505>Tomb kings but fleshyvs
>Beastmen that are more man than beast.
>>95915460I hope that's what it turns out to be (read: retconned into) some day in the future. It will probably take something like the fall of the CCP first though, and yeah, good luck with that.
It would be funny to make future Cathay lore read roughly like the current one, but with a clear implication that the writer had a sword pointed to their back as they wrote.
>>95916505shame it's in a unique scale nobody else uses
Iโm convinced no one knows what a retcon means.
>>95916623Retroactive continuity.
Bet you guys wish you had embraced the Bear cavalry now...
>>95916639GW wouldn't let us embrace them because they insisted on pandering to the chinese first
>>95916652Maybe Russia shouldn't have sperged out and tried to conquer Ukraine.
>>95916652I think that's more to do with Russia invading Ukraine before China invades Taiwan.
If Iran and Israel goes nuclear does that increase or decrease the odds of Araby?
>>95915467For Marienburg I would give them an up-armoured, veteran version of free company militia called Marienburg Mariners
>>95916669But dont you see, China has to invade Taiwan to maximise celestial harmony
>>95916639I hope they release this year. My niece would love them.
>>95916639Bear cavalry was fine. Making half the faction ride them is what soured me on the idea. It should have remained a privilege for hardcore, accomplished Ursun devotees. Kislev was a fucking horse faction. The core of their armies were rotas of winged lancers and groups of ungol horsemen.
As it stands Kislev is kind of the anti-Cathay. Where Cathay has nice models and godawful lore wanked to the heavens, Kislev lore remains mostly the same and digestible, with recent chances to their religious institution being irrelevant for the time period of TOW, but with horrible aesthetic choices.
Seeing some of the adjustments TOW did to stuff like the grand cannon or the sky lantern, I hope to see the same for KIslev: removing the ice cubes from sleds, replacing the bear sleds for horses, changing the giant ice cub bear sled cannon for a normal cannon, etc.
>>95916669>If Iran and Israel goes nuclear does that increase or decrease the odds of Araby?Might delay any possible Chaos Dwarfs release.
>>95916738The bear-drawn sleds in total war are retarded but besides them there's one unit of war bear riders and then it's a mount for characters. Kislev still has more horse cavalry options. I don't think total war's shit balancing making bear riders spammable and meta will be transferred to the tabletop either.
>>95916505Conquest had such promise until they fucked up the scale.
>>95916738>boo hoo I want normal, grounded kislevthen go play warmaster chud.
this is TOW, and the point of TOW is to slowly push an ever increasing amount of silliness in to the setting until the WHFB holdouts finally accept AOS as their Lord and Savior.
>>95915444 (OP)I just read through the arcane journal
cathay fluff is repetitive fanfiction-tier slop
deep as a puddle, interesting as a looking at paint dry, and disrespectful to whoever was expecting any sort of answers or worldbuilding regarding this faction and its previous mentions
any sort of cautious optimism for the characterisation of the faction has been thrown to the ground and mercilessly stomped upon in the name of sensibility
The Cathayans fear the necromancer.
>>95916850Where can I read the leaks for the Cathay Journal?
Is Boris just supposed to run around the Chaos Wastes slapping Chaos Armies while they slap his minor settlements?
The book really presents Cathay in a good light.
My only hope is the 2nd Cathay arcane jounal actually bring the more "darker" side of Cathay.
Like they absolutely not mention Monkey king (except for that one item) or Monkey Warriors helping them in war an/or doing trouble in the Empire; or chaos cults in the big cities; or even pirates/Dark elves/Nippon attacking the east coast.
>>95916881The Cathayans fears the toadnado.
>>95916892Wrong thread buddy.
>>95915745"YOU KEEP DISRESPECTING THE PRINCE YOU'LL SLEEP WITH THE SIRENS!
PIGGALO IS A TILEAN HERO, END OF STORY!"
>>95916925I'm really fucked off by this, because I liked the stuff about Cathay that TWW3 suggested about it being a harmonious state from the outside, but with lost of internal corruption, the dragons being overall uncaring to individual humans and see them as tools to maintain order and the fact that the population is almost brainwashed into worshipping the Dragons.
Then again, maybe that was too on the nose for the Chinese overlords
>>95917043I liked the bit where it said - dwarves wonโt admit Cathayan gunpowder is better, but trust us, it is better.
>>95916885https://go file.io/d/5V9QRt
>>95917167>directly linking itRIP
have any pictures of the cathay sprues appeared yet? there is something i need to know before deciding to pull the trigger
>>95916925They were on to true kino with this illustration, the WFRP diplomat character, and Zhao Ming. They could have given every Cathay character badass Shang Tsung style heavy metal eyeliner. Removing this detail pisses me off more than anything else in the Cathay presentation.
>>95917250>the WFRP diplomat characterYou faggots were bitching about DEI or woke or whatever because she existed and her elite monk bodyguards were better at killing beastmen than state troopers, headcanoning her being a chaos cultist being the only saving grace.
>>95915513TOW RPG is for those who don'T know shit about the lores of different games and just want to larp as a warhammer character for an afternoon,
>>95915746There's a female Bretonnian knight and a female dwarf (with an ass ugly face) on the cover, it's already questionnable in terms of lore quality, the rules are abstract similar to Imperium Maledictum, with zones instead of distances in yards, special talents for careers (to be even more special), forced mechanics like contracts they claim everyone loved in testing, but that's like being given a sword and not hitting the first thing you see wiht it.
>>95916135Very Nice.
I obught one from GW, and got another one on ebay for 25$, minus the head spikes. The seller claimed it was a Chaos warhound Champion, hence the cheap price.
Yeah i'm thinking my GOAT drachenfels could defeat Xi Jing- I mean Xen Yang
>>95917643Nice Japanese cover.
And a 16 year old vampire woman can surely beat a mid-20,30s looking dragon lady.
>>95915967>game wide -1 to toughnessAh yes, daemons succumbing to the sickening and chaotic influence of warpstone.
>>95917051Where is the Kazakhstan equivalent located in the Old World? Where ever it is, I am from there and I hate women so much it's unreal.
>>95917702i could see a bit of fluff where instead of withering the daemons it overloads them and causes them to become unstable, making their connection to the mortal plane more tenuous
>>95917751that'd be the Ungol's i guess?
>>95915593>>95915599If I ever become the Ayetollah of Iran I am placing a Fatwa on Matt Ward don't forgive don't forget.
>>95917672The 16 year old vampire woman is the authors' super extra special waifu, and he's dropped the literal same character (with identical name and backstory and everything) into his own alt-hist setting after he stopped writing Black Library. If Genevieve can beat GW's IP lawyers by sheer horny author fiat, she can beat anything.
>>95915967This really should be a -1 toughness aura that weakens friendlies too.
does cathay have the harmony thing that they had in the game
>>95917643I really fucking like that helmet. I'd love to see a full body shot of that design.
Want to get into The Old World. Leaning towards Dorfs or Goats, but there's also a part of me that wants to go High Elves and take the lion pill. Anyway, my question is, how's the interfaction balance? Is there anything so busted I'll be refused games, is there anything so dogwater as to be unplayable?
His silence is deafening.
>>95917911Beastmen are shit to hobby with because the mold lines are thicker than a high elves cum stain. Dwarves are also a pain to paint, and probably the worst faction to play. High elves are generally fine hobby wise, and gameplay wise, but itโs fucking elves. Have some dignity.
>>95917919Who? Is this volund?
>>95917911Dorfs, Goats and HE all have tournament strong lists but none of them are broken. The only armies with potential to make broken lists currently are Bretonnia, Tomb Kings and Cathay. And even then you have to try with Brets and TK ( too early to tell for Cathay ). Any of your three choices clear your worries.
>>95917922>Dwarves are also a pain to paint,Dwarfs are easy as shit to paint and beast mouldlines are just as bad as most other old kits.
>>95917911Don't listen to the guy above, he's new and/or a troll, he spells dwarfs as dwarves. That's why you shouldn't listne to anything he says.
>>95917751The Khazag tribe of Kurgan.
>>95917930Steve from Mountain Miniatures and the best part of MiniWarGaming. Easily the comfiest Warhammer Fantasy youtuber.
>>95917940Youโre right, I ought to call them a stunty.
>>95916505Conquest has an amazing range.
>>95917919It'll be great to see him get physically uncomfortable as someone's chinese anime waifu solos his entire army.
What the fuck is this Cathay lore. What a fucking jerkoff. Unless this turns out to be Cathay propaganda ( which I am 99% sure it won't ) it's disgusting how they jerk off the Fantasy chinese in this garbo fanfiction lore.
I'm getting the wood elf battalion. Are deepwood scouts or eternal guard stronger?
Gonna sell the men off so I wanna make it at least worth it for whomever takes them off my hands.
>>95917911there is a greater disparity between regular lists and tournament jank lists within any faction, than there is between two normal lists for any two factions.
by this, i mean there is a bigger difference between a standard dwarf army and 14 gyrocopters than there is between a standard dwarf army and a standard beasts army.
so if your intent is to actually play competitive events and care about balance and winrate, you need to be tuned in to the absolute nonsense jank lists that break the game over their knee because they are playing a fundamentally different game of warhammer to normal armies.
if your intent is just to play normal armies with a nice blend of troops, cavalry, artillery, characters and monsters, then the differences in faction balance are mostly trivial and wont much effect the game outside of a few of the unsupported legends armies.
>>95918076>which I am 99% sure it won'tI mean, isn't this pretty close to what happened to the Tau in 40k? People got mad about how clean and idealistic they were presented only for following editions to darken the fuck out of it. China just needs to pull a Russia in the following 1 to 2 years and then all bets are off.
>>95918076It is just GW being overcautious with new lore when dealing with Asian influence. Same thing happened with Tau and it took some years do grimdark them and same thing will happen with Cathay once they have established themselves as an army. Future releases will add more ambiguity and grimdark to lore.
>>95917932dwarfs have several broken lists but they are so repulsive most people in civilized company dont play them
>>95918128Neither but EG have more utility
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0y6sYQiIp0
looks like vince has still got it. the texture and lighting work on this model is fucking insane, especially for a mono color scheme. its not my favorite color scheme of the ones shown, but on a technical level its 10/10
It's over. 10 minutes late. Fuck sakes
>>95918321Just wait a month for the restocks.
When assembling a unit kit should I make as many command squad models as possible? I'm getting some marauder horsemen and I have no idea if I should make 1 or 2 musicians/standard bearers.
does anyone know where to find scans of models from older editions/oop minis?
>>95918321But people here said nobody likes cathay
>>95918519They also could have only put up 50 boxes of each on the store to create the appearance of scarcity. And because fuck you too, also, I guess.
ebay
md5: df1aac6abb7e42c3e2ab3af02ac6e4fa
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>>95918321>>95918525I don't know what you're going on about, but you can still buy them on Ebay.
What banners do empire bsbs usually take? And do they tend to be taken on foot or on a mount?
>Cathay >enemies include monkeys, tigermen, lizardmen, nagas, jade-blooded, hobgoblins, ogres, dark elves, chaos cults>literally none of them are viable armies in TOW>>95915746we get a tiny bit of TOW setting lore, but mostly in regards to the Empire and not really much else
there's a sufficient amount of elf racism though
>>95915758it'll come, I'm sure
>>95918542Not BSB, but I usually put a Griffon banner on my block of CORE spearmen
How would someone get the attention of Miao Ying?
>>95918581Step 1:
Be human.
Step 2:
Be male.
She's not exactly a hard lay.
The pre-orders should still be good for next week yeah?
>>95918634What you on? They are up today, gonna get wiped in 24 hours with the demand
>>95917702It's pure warp energy, Chaos Daemons are "distilled" kinda like how our bodies are 70% water but if someone hit you in the face with a fire hose it would fuck you up.
>>95918662>I get paid next weekYeah I guess that wood elf battalion will do for the next months.
Fuck it's like MESBG all over again.
>Miao gets bred by TRVE Sigmarites
Cathay bros, our response?
>>95918569Do you mean racism towards elves or from elves?
>>95918668That said it is not FOMO, so you might be fortunate and grab it on the release day next week.
>>95918668Or you can pay in installments via:
>Klarna>Affirm>Credee>Sezzle>Afterpay
>>95918519>>95918525Look on the bright side. Cathay selling out means the other Legacy Armies are guaranteed coming back.
>>95918324>wait a month for the restock>half the dwarf kits have been sold out for a yearlol. lmao. its over. specialist games is a joke, a scalpers playground. buy at 300% msrp on ebay or eat shit
>>95918751But I don't care about legacy factions. Mostly because their players are so noisy.
>>95918751I really wish I didnt sell my old vampire counts, the kits were such a fucking pain to put together, and I recall having to clean the mold lines after half painting the entire damn thing. I really dont want to go through with that again. Maybe I'll pick up demons or dark elves if they get anything new.
>>95918764what shit hole are you living in? they've been in stock here all year long.
>>95918751thats gonna present a big challenge because a huge portion of those armies ranges are still in age of sigmar, and i doubt they'd give up that many model ranges without a fight
>Miao killed her sister
Did Chaos really fool her or did she do it because Shiyama was the original favoured daughter?
>>95918773I imagine tow will also need to make new stuff for them to justify the transition to old world too.
Its also bad enough they can barely keep what they already have in stock...(thats in resin or metal).
>>95918751>>95918773Don't know about the rest, but shouldn't Daemons of Chaos be extremely easy to pull off? The entire range already double dips AoS and 40k, exactly what would be the problem in doing it again but with square bases?
>>959188081. lol no
2.40K is probably getting rid of demons. They arenโt even getting a codex this edition.
3. You have no fucking clue how scattered the demons range is. At least if weโre talking about the metals, and the forge world models.
Also itโs such a fucking small army if youโre monolegioned, itโs not even funny.
>>95918686I hear that to this day she has a tattoo of the twin-tailed comet on her right asscheek.
>>95918781Complete ignoramus here. Is there any reason Shiyama has such a japanese sounding name unlike literally everyone else in Cathay? A cursory search tells me that the name in chinese translates into random terms, while in Japanese it can mean something akin to "Cursed Mountain" or "Cursed Temple/Grave".
>>95918860No idea. My headcanon is that Nippon pre-Sundering used to be part of Cathay and Shiyama's home province so her name is in the local language.
>>95918618so I still have a chance
Shiyama lives. As the Nipponese empress.
However her palace is such a wonderland of art and human sex she doesn't actually govern jack shit and the country is in a perpetual sengoku jidai as a result with the daimyos paying her off to not turn into a God dragon and murder them.
>Cathay sells out instantly
>Skaventide still "selling fast"
Oh my, how fascinating.
>>95918773Iizardmen are mostly new models for AOS, they could easily pump out the older ones as with TOW branding
>>95918917hard to tell since we dont know how much was produced of both.
>>95918926Obviously they produced a morbillion Cathay boxes, gw should know this box would hold interest.
>>95918934I mean, I know stores that still can't sell off their copies of Dominion to this day.
Granted they refuse to lower the $300 price tag, so fuck 'em.
>>95918934sure, but its still save to assume that they would produce a lot more boxes for a "main system" like AoS then they would for Old World imo.
I like how Meow is the favored daughter trusted with everything because she's the only one who's not a complete fuck-up.
At most she just grinds some human's hips into mush every other day to relieve stress.
>not a fuck up
>is an extreme whore that puts khalifa to shame
>>95918965I think yuan bo is also one of the capable children.
I liked his campagn in TWW
>>95918926my FLGS sold all 50 skaventide boxes they ordered when that launched. for old world battalions they usually get an allotment of 2, and they are almost always in stock on the shelfs.
do with that what you will. i would not be surprised if more than 50% of the cathay box sales are aos players buying new cities or lumineth proxy armies
The basic cathayan infantry, horsemen and rocket launchers don't seem broken to me? Is the issue the special characters or the amount of buffs you can stack on them?
If anyone needs help selling their Cathay boxes in 3-4 months, Iโd be happy to buy it off of you for a measly 35% discount (maybe 50% if you fucked up gluing something wrong or lost a piece here or there)
>>95918686>after just over 9 months at the court of Sigmar, Miao Ying returned to Cathay
>>95919019No theyโre OK. The Shugengans and the cannons are pretty cracked.
>>95919019yeah, they are good, but dont look over the top to me.
miao ying might be bit too much but not using a special character in friendly games is one of the easiest things to do to lower the power level.
>>95918773Why not just allow them in both, is GW that afraid of brand confusion considering they're (supposedly) a miniature company and not a gaming one
>>95919057>give your entire army -3 move turn 1>donโt look over the top to me
>>95919065internal spreadsheet politics. 2 different departments cant show a sale for the same product, so they are not allowed to have the same product in multiple games, hence why all the new horus heresy vehicles and dreads were ripped away from 40k, beasts were ripped away from aos despite JUST getting a huge rules overhaul and new terrain and spells in the prior edition, its why they have separate kits for chaos warriors in each game
>>95919075i dont think those effects stack. i think the people who say they do are probably reading it wrong
>>95919075you mean +3 to my army or -3 to the enemies army?
and I was strictly speaking about the core units (warrios/lancers). havent looked to much at the general special rules so far.
>>95919057I think Miao is balanced by having less attacks than a lord+ridden dragon combo.
>>95919085Yeah just gotta. Ignore everything else too.
its fine that cathay is good. you dont want another gitmob situation
>>95919085okay, but I think her ability to turn units into celestial dragon guard for just 1 point per model is pretty nuts.
>>95919076I thought we left this in the 90s when Sears collapsed.
>>95915444 (OP)So are empire foot armies still dog shit? Havenโt paid attention in a while
>>95919097I think Cathay will toe the line as a gatekeeper army hitting some top tables for now and then become clearly the best army in the game when the second AJ hits and they get some better core choices.
>>95919103Whatโs the Empire?
>>95919065They are afraid to confuse themselves not the customer. I can see the low hanging fruit of Dark Elves coming back though. The real problem is that it would kill AoS, if they released Skaven, Lizzes and VC for ToW, because they are so popular in AoS, but not as far away evolved from their whfb roots as night goblins or StD. Imagine if they all got the BoC treatment and the OC-factions would have to carry AoS lmao.
>>95919113>lizardmen Iโm not using the old kroxigor. Fuck that.
>>95919102GW is from UK and they are decades behind rest of the western world in these kind of situation
>>95919039>>95919057Yeah that's good, interested in seeing what the 2nd wave has to offer for the Cathay roster. Never played any TWW games, do they get handgunners and monstrous infantry?
>>95919161they have short-range handgunner, bow-peasents, bomb-throwers and long-range sniper.
I dont think they have monstrous infantry. just smaller single unit monsters like the jade lion.
>>95918773Just like Night Goblins in TOW? Hasn't been a problem so far.
>>95918965>because she's the only one who's not a complete fuck-up.dude, she fucking killed her own older sister as an oopsie, you can't have a bigger fuck up than that
>>95919227So she died pre-vortex?
Damn the razorgor was bigger than I thought!
>>95919242Yes. The vortex was only closed thanks to the efforts of the dragons.
>>95919242yes
the problem is that as far as we knew she died before the other dragon brothers and sisters were born, going by the short story released for total war when the changeling went to trick and mock the jade dragon
>The daemonโs form shifted again, shedding some of its newly acquired stature and once again becoming female. She wore a porcelain mask divided into yin and yang, an aqueous luminescence shining through the pale skin beneath. Her hair flowed strangely, tumbling over her shoulders and down her back like water through the many stages of a river, and like the rivers of Cathay each strand had its own length, colour, and character.>Strangest of all were her eyes.>They were cold and blue and utterly dead.>Yuan Bo stumbled back in shock.>He had never met the first daughter of the Celestial Emperor and Moon Empress, for she had been already slain when Yuan Bo and his still-living siblings had first opened their eyes. It was said that she slept beneath the Dragon River, guiding the souls of the dead to the Ten Courts of Shyish under the stewardship of her Ancestral Monks.>But he knew her appearance from the peasantsโ fables.>Shiyama, the Spirit Dragon of the Underworld.>โIt should have been me,โ she snarled. โThe Celestial Court should have been mine, not yours.โ>Yuan Bo shook his head furiously.>Lies. All lies.while the arcane journal implies all the dragon children were already alive well before the catastrophe
the only way to mend the inconsistency is to assume that the dragon children were also mind-wiped about the life, and the exact causes of death, of the spirit dragon, not just the citizens
all this shit reads more and more like primarchs bullshit, I hate it
>>95919250that's one part I don't understand, the arcane journal wants to imply the dragons did something but only describes them fighting to the north, no ritual, no no closing of gates, no spells of banishment, unlike elves, dwarfs and slann
at best it can be argued that they occupied some demonic forces, giving necessary moments of respite for the other corners of the world?
>>95918686But Marienburg didn't exist at about year 1ic?
>>95919263it's probably like 10ic by the time miao ying got to the empire
>>95919255>โIt should have been me,
>>95919033>the true bloodline of Sigmar persists>... in CathayDamn can you even imagine the asshurt such a thing would cause.
>>95915758yeah, that's literally the only bit that's not fellating cathay through the roof.
Painted more rats this week.
>>95919281I've also switched to brush on varnish because sprays are too random.
>>95919276sigmar's bloodline is also present in the empire, it's just that he didn't want the position of emperor to be hereditary, so he didn't put attention to his children
Damn I thought the sensitivity consultants would just make sure there were no references to the opium wars or something like that, but Cathay reads like CCP propaganda. It's frankly disgusting to stoop to such a level when chinese people don't even have the money to consoom warhammer, even if they did they would just pirate it anyway like r*ssians
>>95919301>reads like propaganda.Yeah, it's shameless too
>>95919301Grand Cathay would never stoop to the level of violating international copyright law, the Grand Cathay Arcane Journal told me so!
>>95919268>I should be the one having constant human dick!
I mean how are Chinese people gonna play Tomb Kings? Skeletons there are banned.
>>95919330They're not actually banned, just desecration of the dead.
It's why Coco wasn't banned despite most of the cast in that movie being undead skeletons.
>>95919301what does the ccp have to do with a fictional country in a fantasy game?
>>95919333>just desecration of the deadisn't necromancy desecration of the dead in itself?
>>95919334Ask GW, they're the ones who hired a chinese sensitivity team to tell them to avoid grimdark.
>>95919334The parallels to serving the party and the state are obvious, as is the part about the "teacher" and "guide" (literally Xi Jinping and Xi Jinping Thought)
>>95915444 (OP)so it's just tau all over again
>>95919335If China is buying Warhammer, I guess army skeleton toy dudes don't count.
>>95917994That drawing is about 60% less uglier than Stevegryn
>>95919344sounds pretty warhammer to me.
what human faction favours individualism in the fluff?
>>95919342there is a difference between appeasing a party and trying not to be racist and/or ignorant towards a group of people
Why is the Sky Lantern ยฃ95?
>>95917919https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31OZBN3hQ2c
>>95919361What are you, poor?
>>95919342So that's why there's no mention of cathayan expedition forces to lustria with an objective to capture as many rare animals and lizard men as possible to be used as ingredients for aphrodisiacs and erection medications!
>>95918161Yes. And this is super obvious to anyone who's been around.
This thread is a daunting testament to white weakness. Just a living collection of the absolute most paper-thin, helpless men to ever exist in human history. The cocksuckingest tranny who ever lived did so with more grit and dignity than the people tearing their hair out in here.
>>95919360The problem is that it's obvious the sensitivity team (the CCP) as played a major role in deciding what the lore needs to be. It's a problem if any state does this, whether it's China or anyone else.
wonder why the Cathay AJ does not have an Epub version it's the only TOW book not to get one
>>95919374To state the obivous: it limits what creatives can do, which is never a good thing
>>95919360>there is a difference between appeasing a party and trying not to be racist and/or ignorant towards a group of peopleWhat's the difference? not appeasing the party's policy? because that's what they're objectively doing with the skulls things, it's not a cultural thing, it's a modern policy.
why yes I'm gonna paint her black
>>95919374any source that the CCP was involved?
>>95919387I have no desire to collect Cathay but I am tempted to get a box of dudes just so I can paint them black and post it on the r*ddit sub to see how they react
>>95918161>and it took some years do grimdark themthat's a meme from uninformed secondaries, the tau had mind control from day fucking one
not to mention the overall cleanliness of the faction was a point because they were meant to be the young, naive and unprepared contrast to the horrors of the galaxy, and to allow the imperium to act as the tyrannical power they're meant to be
cathay doesn't have a similar role, at all, the only contrast it creates is about just how better they're at everything than everyone else, who are clearly all retarded
>>95919382China is extremely superstitious nowadays because Mao wiped out many of their more religious traditions. It's both policy and simply the culture of mainland China.
jade warriors looking swole af
>>95919227Could you dump more fluff pages from the journal please
>>95919390why would a chinese sensitivity team not have the sensitivity of china's modern policies at heart?
>>95919281Old Skaven models are so sad. I hope you had those in a drawer for 20 years and didn't have to pay anything for them.
>>95919401it's all uploaded in the gofile already, but have a mildly interesting part
>>95919398it could have been worse, scale wise
>>95919408Thanks for the pointer man, I didnt notice
>>95919402Because a "Chinese Sensitivity Team" in Nottingham is probably composed of westernized expats and academics, not political operatives.
Clear yourself of the lazy, weak racism ("Evil Chinese agents did this!!") and blame GW, who are the ones actually responsible.
>>95919396no, it's not, it might have been the culture 60 years ago, but not now, especially not amongst fiction consumers
>>95919396Yeah, they put out phony academic research about the efficiency of traditional chinese medicine so they don't have to ban chewing dried tiger dicks.
>>95919301China has Warhammer stores and most of modern china are doing well economically.
The burgers obsessing over CCP are just showing how brainwashed they really are.
>>95919416That can't be it. China has a censorship committee on anything foreign, if you want to sell your games/movies whatever you're gonna have to go through censorship, that includes changing the whole thing before it's approved. See Hollywood.
>>95919423How successful is Warhammer in Mainland China?
A lot of westerners focus on Japan as the main Asian market for Warhammer, so I never hear places like Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore and what their Wargame let alone Warhammer scenes looks like
>>95919416>and blame GWI am blaming both GW and the sensitivity team, you goddamn fucking retard.
GW for hiring them and listening to them, and the team for spewing what's clearly bullshit a mile away
>china can't have skulls>china can't have a dark side>china can't have jiangshi>china can't be anything short of flawless>inb4 you're just a racist bigot!1!no, I just wanted fucking warhammer for fuck's sake, don't defend this vapid retardation, and don't bring up racism out of the blue, it only shows how disingenuous you are and your own projections.
>>95919330Reminder the only being the dragon emperor fears is Nagash.
>>95919439cathay is still warhammer though
why do you hate china so much?
>mfw almost bought that journal to read fluff and its 49 pages
>>95919442Big Skeleton > Big Dragon
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/1ovkvf4r/old-world-almanack-building-the-celestial-empire-of-grand-cathay/
>Rob: Importantly, this is a Warhammer take on China. Warhammer is a lot of things, but there are simple tropes that unite it: itโs skulls, itโs death, itโs grimness. But for cultural reasons, many of these signifiers donโt align with a Chinese influence design language, so we had to think about which other levers we could pull to make sure it was Warhammer.
>Owen: Both Creative Assembly and a Chinese sensitivity team were very helpful, providing guidance documents to ensure we understood China and didnโt make the wrong move. There are various symbols to avoid, and referencing skulls or gruesome body horror as part of the Grand Cathay visual language were ones we were keen to avoid.
>Mark: There are certain styles of clothing and hair which signify darker periods in Chinese history. We had to be respectful of those, alongside these other considerations.
>Owen: There are dynasties which are truly celebrated in China, we made sure to utilise some of the aesthetics from the eras that they spanned.
>JTY: China is very proud of its heritage, and we were happy to oblige.
Freedom and creativity die in the name of not being even remotely daring and bold.
>>95919445Because a state interfering is a dangerous precedent and puts a bad taste in my mouth. I don't think it's as bad as I make it out to be, but it's still bad.
And yes, whataboutists love to do whataboutism. DEI propaganda is just as bad, the difference is that DEI can be fought whereas trying to fight the chinese government, well, good luck with that.
>>95919445>cathay is still warhammer thoughno, because it's worldbuilt like shit, it's not warhammer, it's a different thing stapled onto warhammer wearing the nametag of what could have actually been a warhammer faction.
What I dont understand is that in Total War, Cathay has clear flaws. And all their fluff is from GW directly. So did it all get retconned, or is it coming later, post The Great War of Chaos? I want to like Cathay but the AJ has soured me on them.
>>95919439How can you be so dumb that you actually imagine GW writing "dark Cathay," putting it in front of the diabolical sensitivity spies, then getting told to alter it?
Dark Cathay was never written. GW's current bad soulless writers, absolute wraiths of what once was, made the fluff bad to begin with.
>>95919463so its warhammer since most factions had shit world building at the beginning.
>>95919475You don't mention how skulls and grimdark are inherent parts of warhammer if not because you were as a matter of fact considering of using them at one point, before getting corrected
stop pretending the chinese team is innocent in this trainwreck
>>95919480Wrong.
The warhammer world materialized with consistent history, themes and aesthetics in a relatively short amount of time when it actually began to take itself as something more solid than a vague justification for throwing all sorts of model ranges on the same table.
GW has had 7 years to write cathay now.
I canโt get over taught the dwarfs how to use gunpowder and better gunpowder than the dwarfs. So we now have three tiers of gunpowder:
>high tier - cathay
>mid tier - dwarfs
>bottom of the barrel dogshit tier - empire
Have to wake up early, go to the flgs. See if they have pre-orders available.
>>95919438Compared to us? Quite small proportionately, but they exist. When I went to Shanghai I saw many games being played. As is in the west, it is niche but humorously, the western nerds were big advocates for Warhammer, like a religion. Well, more marketing than religion, but they'd play, garner interest and get locals involved.
>>95919496>I canโt get over taught the dwarfs how to use gunpowderit doesn't say that
>>95919485Everybody, including the dumbasses in this thread and their fathers, already knew about the skulls thing. That is Complaining About China in My Media 101. Of course it's what they mention in the interview, and of course they knew about it before needing to consult a team of dastardly Chinese.
If it seemed like a new and surprising thing to you... did you consider that you're just a dumb dullard unaware?
>>95919493no, the first few editions most factions were just "random historic country in fantasy land" without any coherency, since they just wanted people to use their citadel miniatures.
>remember I have a couple heroes from a Kensei Kickstarter years ago
Neat, I just have to get the battalion.
>>95919509Yes it does lol
>>95919518Post the screenshot
>>95919485I don't think Skulls are necessary for something to be Warhammer.
Factions like Dwarfs, HE, WE, etc don't have them or at least have different focus points for their art design.
Cathay, however, should have been Grimdark and you can do Grimdark without Skulls China itself is producing plenty of things that would probably be considered Grimdark in the west, so I'm not sure why Gw was so squeamish about it.
>the sexy immortal dragon lady that likes human dick is a good person actually and has genuine care for others
And yet you hate her because she can cast four bullshit magic missiles a turn and is unkillable.
>>95919416Bro there are literal commissars that make sure Chinese university students abroad keep in line and petition to have anything remotely negative about China removed from their courses. It has been reported on extensively in Australia. There is no way the sensitivity team werenโt taking CCP direction.
>>95919243BigPig (still looks like doodoo)
>>95919496>taught the dwarfs how to use gunpowder and better gunpowder>still use stone boulders as projectiles
>>95919526I hate her for stealing Sigmar from the Empire.
>>95919519>>95919518They didn't necessarily give it to Dorfs, they just discovered it first and did it better.
>>95919526But she killed her sister and the Empress cast a mindwipe spell to cover it up.
>>95919534It says later in the long history of Cathay but they traded alchemical knowledge to the dwarfs of the WEM.
>>95919406So sad?
And yes, I paid hard-earned shekels for them.
GMG just put up the kit reviews if you want to take a look at the sprues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-_3Sb1WmhI&ab_channel=GMGGamesWorkshopGames
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy-Hj8d4KDI&ab_channel=GMGGamesWorkshopGames
figure i'll post this in both threads since both groups seem interested in em
>>95919531Big Rock hit hard
>>95919545I really just want the balloon and cannon crews for Mordheim.
>>95919515Yes, and then the warhammer world materialized with consistent history, themes and aesthetics in a relatively short amount of time when it actually began to take itself as something more solid than a vague justification for throwing all sorts of model ranges on the same table.
There was no gradual development from the 1st edition to the 4th edition, in 1st, 2nd and 3rd gw didn't care much about worldbuilding, then it sat down and worldbuilt everything in a matter of a few years and by the time 4th and its armybooks were out the warhammer world was recognisably what we know today. You disingenuous idiot.
>>95919543So it doesn't say they taught them gunpowder and you just hallucinated it
>>95919526This is not the first time Sigmar has been forced to impregnate a woman during diplomatic negotiations.
>>95919545> Even a GW shill thinks the Cathay lore is a bit much
>>95919544Now I feel bad. But, I dunno, I was using those sculpts for Mordheim like 20 years ago and already lamenting their poor quality.
Is there any reason you're not using newer plastic Skaven minis?
Or if you want to avoid GW, have you seen Punga Miniatures' Ratmen? So many good alts for Gutter/Night Runners
>>95919512>more projections and dishonesty If they knew everything they needed not to touch they wouldn't need to hire a sensitivity team, the very fact they're crediting them, explicitly and directly is because they fucking hired them and they contributed in the first place.
Meanwhile you're arguing on the bafflingly illogical side of this team having done nothing at all, for no reason other than being mindlessly argumentative towards criticism moved to this shit, because you have your delusions about how only the evil racist boogeyman could possibly criticise how they did cathay.
>>95919522>I don't think Skulls are necessary for something to be Warhammer.They are for humans.
Dwarfs and elves aren't humans.
>>95919533Oh right, he ditched being emperor to live with her. God damn.
>>95919557so it took years for the factions lores to form properly. gotcha. So Cathay is pretty warhammer then, since its lore has now years to be built on.
>>95919578The Empire is the only human faction?
>>95919281>>95919287Your Skaven look sick brah, but what's with the bases? Bases have been standardized since AoS 2nd edition were in 4th now lmao
>>95919566I use both. I have a modern skaven army, a 90s one and a third using the original 80s metals and plastics.
>>95919591Barbarians north of the Barrier Idols are not human.
>>95919578If dwarves and elves don't have skulls, how do they keep their faces and hair in place?
I don't get people being upset about the Cathay lore. It's just obviously propaganda meant to fellate the army in question. Army books have been doing this for decades. I remember the Brettonnian book where all the knights are presented as shining examples of virtue and they win every battle, and the warriors of chaos book describing even regular chaos warriors as pretty much invincible when put up against the weaklings of the south. Cathay being fellated in their dedicated book just seems like par for the course.
You want Cathay to be darker and more fractured? Just write it into the fluff for yourdudes or base a campaign on it. An orc invasion from the west has caused some ambitious lord to take advantage of his neighboring lord's issues and instead of sending troops to help his 'ally', he just has his army occupy the now undefended lands in the east of the province, so the defenders return after beating back the orcs only to find their lands taken by other Cathayans. Bam, conflict.
>high elves are bullshit powerful and their kingdoms are peaceful and magical except for the ones that border the dark elves
>this is fine
>Cathay is bullshit powerful and it's kingdom is largely peaceful albeit led by immortal boomers, except for the border regions that fend off invasions
>this is Mary Sue China wank
>>95919534All mentions of gunpowder in the AC here.
>>95919587>so it took years for the factions lores to form properly.No, reread the post, it took a shorter amount of time between the world not being worldbuilt and the state of the warhammer world as I and others (but clearly not you) appreciate it, while gw has had seven years to write cathay and this is everything they managed to come up with: absolutely nothing.
>>95919573The fact they did this for Cathay and not for Kislev is really funny.
>>95919607well, some people just have an irrational hate for china and anything resembling it.
>>95919591nta, but Brettonia does have plenty of Bones and Skulls on things, but it's not the main focus of their aesthetic.
>>95919573No, you're delusional. I think this lore is shit. But it's shit because GW did that. The evil Chinese hirelings did their job AND GW DECIDED THE EXTENT TO WHICH THEY WOULD BLANCH THE MATERIAL.
The sensitivity team did not have the final say, and likely had no personal interest or stake in the result either way.
>>95919591and bretonnia, and kislev, and araby, and now cathay, except cathay is special now, because otherwise it offends the chinese market.
>>95919607Cathay taught the high elves magic.
>>95919605They are bringing their homosexual yellow peril fear priors
>>95919605You are trying to have authentic dialogue with people properly indoctrinated with anti china on the brain, mostly American users. Obviously most people know this has been the case, army books blowing up their respective faction but insecure dumbasses feel triggered by the good faction being Chinese related.
>>95919617where are the skulls and bones on that knight?
>>95919608So they change around the timeline so the Sky titan invasion happened before Cathay summoned the Great Maw
>>95919616Itโs almost like thereโs a massive CIDF onlineโฆ
>>95919618t. Burger social CIA programming kicking in hard
>>95919631There are clearly Wood Elf-esque skulls above him... I guess
>>95919605>Army books have been doing this for decadesNo, armybooks have always presented everything about the factions, both the positives and the negatives, the virtues and the flaws, the victories and the losses.
Cathay is the only one that skirts away from the problems the faction would logically and verisimilarly have, as well as downplaying or omitting altogether the ones that were already established.
>>95919630Iโm not American and found the Cathay AJ to be more wank than Iโve ever seen in a Warhammer book before. There are no negatives. Everything is word of god, not a subjective character piece. There is the paragraph in the OP directly saying there is nothing bad about Cathay. They could have done some shades of grey and they chose not to at every turn.
>pre-ordered all cathay kits
cant wait to bully empire players off the table
>>95919634Play the one about Social Credit!
>>95919631thought that one had the Knight with a Bone Reliquary on his waist doesn't matter this one has a skull
>>>95919634cathay book releases
>suddenly wu mao shills saying any criticism is American brainwashing
>>95919637yeah, but I doubt the knight put it there. looks more like he is fighting inside the lair of a monster
>>95919618>STOP BLAMING THE CHINESE GW IS DIRECTLY CREDITING!no, I won't pretend the blame is not on them as well, I can and will blame both gw and the chinese sensitivity team regardless of your delusions about it.
Games Workshop Has Been Bought and Sold by the PPC
>>95919630Point to ONE armybook that you think throws no shades towards its faction.
>>95919605>I don't get people being upset about the Cathay lore. It's just obviously propaganda meant to fellate the army in question. Army books have been doing this for decades.That's wrong though. An army book might say something like "Chaos Warriors are super cool bro" but it won't shy away from the fact that there are some problems with their society.
>>95919644Lucky. I'm still in panic mode.
>>95919645There is no social credit in China you deluded half breed. Then again a nation who can't even read a world map and voted a literal retard in, it's expected.
>>95919643That is fine, it blows hard on the Cathay cock. A valid criticism. It is just a few anons can't contain their weak racism about TEH EVUL CHINESE, it's so blatant its burgers unable to process a positive depiction of a supposed enemy nation.
>no body hollol in china rand prease
meanwhile, chinese warhammer fans
>>95919657Dwarf 6th ed
Hordes of Chaos
5th ed Orcs and Goblins
6th ed Vampire counts
5th ed Vampire Counts
>>95919632It's just introducing the idea that ogres and sky-titans had conflict before Great Maw but the big migration and sky-titan genocide happened after.
>>95919675I now understand how Ogres could beat Sky Titans. Like a host of humsns being invaded by colonies of bullet or army ants.
>>95919641>losses, negatives, flawsHeroic last stands, glorious sacrifices or just plain comedy (like the story of the knighted peasant dying in his first battle or the guy who stumbles out of the woods centuries after he got lost in them). To continune on the Bret example, it does show various Bret heroes dying, but only in the Arthurian example where they either do it as total badasses (Gilles killing a wyvern even while impaled on a ballista bolt iirc) or it's presented as a deeply tragic tale (like in Landuin's case). The plight of the peasantry is downplayed and even in some cases presented as preferable to life in the empire because the knights are just that cool as lords and protectors.
It IS a great book, but it's absolutely wildly skewed to present a favorable view of Brettonnia.
>>95919660>You can't say China bad!>Anyway America bad.
>>95919668I only know the 6th ed books there but they definitely all portray negatives. The dwarf empire is called out as broken, the Were of Fjirgard is from HoC, and thereโs a similar story about a broken Strigoi in VC.
>Helves book: We actually stoped Chaos, Aenarion fought them to the death while Caledor made his vortex.
>Lizardmen book: We actually stoped Chaos it was our magic that fueled the vortex.
>Dwarf book: We actually stoped Chaos, Grimnir fought them and he probably still fights them.
>Cathay book: We actually stoped Chaos, the Emperor with his children and army fought them.
>>95919682The only ones going ape over China is Americans, so yes. The United Slaves of America.
>>95919683By negatives do you mean the faction sucks type or some of the less positive elements of the faction?
>>95919688Do those books have a special paragraph that says THIS NATION IS NOT AUTHORITARIAN THE PEOPLE LOVE THEIR RULERS AND ARE NOT OPPRESSED INTERNAL CONFLICT DOES NOT EXIST IN THIS UTOPIA ???
We need to bring Terrible Lore Writing back to America.
>>95919692That's not the point, the point is you're a rank hypocrite. If you're not allowed to criticize countries, then you should stop doing it.
>>95919695A mix of both especially in the case of the dwarves. I honestly canโt think of another WHFB faction thatโs just squeaky clean like Cathay, even helf society has some issues.
>>95919683The were story from HoC presents the norscans in a very positive light (the marienburg trader who is the pov character is impressed with them), and even their weres which are basically chaos spawn are still considered family and valuable. It's definitely not a negative portayal of norscan culture.
>>95919696The High Elves would probably check that list but they also had a big civil War that created the Dark Elves and a lot of other conflicts due to that initial Civil war and its only super peaceful in the inner Kingdoms ,the outer Kingdoms are as full of strife as the rest of the setting
>>95919699No, you burgers start going ape shit over China. Its annoying so its fair to criticise the burgers back. You can't even use English right.
>>95919703Orcs and Gobbos. If you mean squeaky clean as in depicted as ideal, High Elves. If you mean lack of internal strife...then yes I believe that is a valid criticism.
>>95919704The Were of Fjirgard is the merchant story and it literally says most of the people that pursue the path to glory end up as drooling mindless spawn.
>>95919710I'm not American.
It is not fair, you're failing to live up to your own supposed standards.
That makes you worm-like.
>>95919668>Dwarf 6th eddespite being written prominently through in-setting points of view of the dwarfs themselves, the book makes no attempt at hiding the dumb and self destructive stubbornness of the dwarfs, as well as the occasional engineering accidents and the comical extremes of dwarf society, including but not limited to slayers and their bungee jumping with troll guts as rite of passage.
>Hordes of Chaos>5th ed Orcs and Goblins>6th ed Vampire counts>5th ed Vampire Countsyou clearly have not understood the assignment if you list overly evil races
>>95919723You speak, spell and talk like an American. Even your attempts to dehumanise others, and me, is like an American. If you're not American, congratulations, you are indistinguishable from one. Well done friend.
>>95919706>The High Elves would probably check that listThey had a special rule about intercine intrigues between nobles.
>>95919723The simple standard of telling you to shut the fuck up with your weak, obsessive racism towards a country is simple and being lived up to. I am not complaining about a nation, you are.
>>95919607>Dark Elves exist>There is no "dark Cathay", only HARMONY
>>95919668>Dwarf 6th edhalf of that book is about tragic losses, the other half is the war of the beards, what the fuck are you even saying?
>>95919732You dehumanize yourself by falling short of your own standards.
>>95919741>I am not complaining about a nationYes you are, you've been whining ceaselessly about America like a lame dog.
>>95919696>HIS NATION IS NOT AUTHORITARIAN THE PEOPLE LOVE THEIR RULERS AND ARE NOT OPPRESSED INTERNAL CONFLICT DOES NOT EXIST IN THIS UTOPIA
>>95919727That is part of the flavour of the dwarfs no? All the dimensions of being stubborn or crazy with troll gut bungies. I think that's at most a more three dimensional approach to them.
>>95919747See above. Is the key issue that Cathay is being depicted as having 0 problems societally or that their main depiction has no shades of gray or depth?
>>95919666He's Vancouver-based. The Chinese diaspora is more likely to become atheists or connect with older Chinese traditions. Many Chinese people in Singapore abhor current Han Chinese cultural dominance in the mainland
>>95919752Funny you can't see your hypocrisy so you imitate the criticism levelled at you. Typical American, as usual you show your weak mindset in not taking criticism. Now be a good slave of Isreal and shut the fuck up about other countries and talk about Warhammer. Subhuman
>>95919757>Is the key issue that Cathay is being depicted as having 0 problems societally or that their main depiction has no shades of gray or depth?That's the same issue, you absolute mong.
>>95919773No it's not. You can be depicted as perfect but still have substance.
>>95919777Shades and nuances come from issues, it's the same problem.
Jesus, you're genuinely clinically retarded.
>>95919771What hypocrisy have I committed?
What have I imitated?
You are a hypocrite who can't stick to his own standards, and so I call you one.
I'm still not an American.
>>95919757>That is part of the flavour of the dwarfs no?Yes, the flaws are part of the flavour of dwarfs; cathay has no flaws, and as a consequence has no flavour at all except the taste of the sensitivity team's feet.
>If you don't like communist shithole you must be American!
Wrong.
>>95919591Cathay are Chinese and Brets are dare I say it European so yes Empire is the only actual human faction
>>95919780Shades and naunces does not equate to problems. Don't get flustered because you are unaware of what narrative functions involve.
>>95919781You are. Shut up dog and learn how to converse.
>>95919722But it's not noted to be a negative thing. The norscans just view it as a natural thing. They weren't worthy so they didn't make it, and the path to glory would be worthless if everyone who walked it succeeded. But they all know the risks and accept them.
ayo where was the french sensivity team when bretonnia was designed
I think the thing is a lot of these older books had little fiction pieces to sketch out the faction, which were from a subjective PoV. โCathay is the greatest and most powerful nation ever to existโ comes across a lot better from an in-character Cathayan Magistrate than from an objective authorial voice explaining how they actually did everything you thought your faction did, but better.
>>95919798I like how each race now has their own central depiction of beating Chaos during the great rift
>>95919791>You are. Shut up dog and learn how to converse.You don't learn to converse by shutting up when told. Please endeavour to answer my questions.
>>95919791>Shades and naunces does not equate to problemsYes, they absolutely do.
problems internally, problems externally, problems of their ethics, problems of their methods, problems of their industry, problems of their system of government.
that's what adds depth in everything: conflicts, problems.
>>95919794>But it's not noted to be a negative thing. The norscans just view it as a natural thing.It doesn't matter, because we, the audience, know it to be fucked up. It is a negative thing to become a grotesque monster.
>>95919798If the flawless perfect cathay appeared so only due to the point of view of the cathayn themselves that would have been a thing, especially because when GW could write things competently and without external pressures, they would pair that point of view with contradicting info or accounts from the other points of view.
That would have been good, cathay is not that, it's not good.
>>95919805That is one aspect for sure, but not solely. You are right it is a source of depth but not solely. Though what I find most concerning, not mentioned here, we now have a potential reason Sigmar went east at the end of his life. Dragonussy too good
>>95919812Yeah it would have been so easy to just do it like that. Give us one account of a gate general explaining the perfection of the Cathayan armies, and then a quote from a piratical sky junk captain accused of smuggling. Create some ambiguity. Donโt explain the dragon emperorโs plan, say heโs absent and give a few different theories.
>>95919666god bless those madmen
>>95919821Nta but you're asking for quality depth to fluff when that era died at 6th. I will say as bad as Cathay's 1 dimensional narrative is, TOW team has far better writing prose than AoS
Good to know that this is canon.
>>95919827That creature would be a perfect Spawn.
>>95919828>that era died at 6th.7th and 8th replaced in-setting points of view for lore dense pages of exposition, details and explicit issues of the factions.
cathay is missing that as well.
>>95919831There should be a online movement to ship Miao and Sigmar to the level of 40k people shipping Guilliman and Yvraine.
>>959198407th Orcs and Goblins was the laziest copy and paste book I have seen in fluff. Some of those 8th and 7th dumps read so akwardly though I don't envy the writers trying to write new material but you can see where it slumped. 7th Warriors of Chaos and the battle between the Dwarfs was enough for me.
Also the stupid retcon, then re retconned, of chaos armour coming from the chorfs.
>>95915444 (OP)Pre-orders here! Looks like Cathay is a flop!
>>95919842I ship it. Having an Empire-descended Shugengan is great.
>>95919845>Pre-orders here!Still unavailable in US & Canada lol
>>95919797Medieval France, Britanny and Occitania don't even exist any longer. Just like the Ming or Qing or whatever Cathay is based on. Mainland Chinese need to stop being so overly sensitive about how the past could be presented, but that's the insidious nature of the CCP, they're trying to claim the past even though they were the ones who destroyed Chinese culture during the cultural revolution to begin with.
Goonhammer confirm the movement penalty from the cannon stacks.
Quick question:
Do the Dragon-blooded Shugegan have immortality like their dragon ancestors, and do not die from old age? or does it depend on the degree of ancestry?
>>95919885So, what, blast two cannons and within 8" radius, you reduce everyones move by 2"? Just hope they misfire
>>95919887they probably live longer than Humans but i doubt they are immortal
>>95919887No, that's not one of their stated abilities.
>>95919891Yep. Bear in mind they get 2 shots T1.
>Miao Ying is traveling every few hundred years in the Empire to mate
Miao's confirmed sex-travels: Sigmar era / Magnus era / Karl Franz era
>>95919895What the fuck? So plant your cannons double shots for four shots among the enemy, so you can reduce their move by 4" T1? Fucking hell.
Only counter play I can think of is a super wide deployment.
>>95919831wmaf wins again
Itโs funny how the GH review is just โyeah this is the most powerful shit weโve ever seen, here is an explanation of its dozen special rules, I canโt wait to see a 400pt shugengan delete 800points by himselfโ but they open and close with โbook good fair and balancedโ lmao
>Cathayans visit Nehekhara and begin bragging about their awesome immortal Emperor
>The Nehekharans are obviously intrigued by this and ask questions.
>Cathayans don't reveal that he's actually an Immortal Dragon even though this is not a secret.
>The Nehekharans become obsessed with the idea that men can become immortal and so create the mortuary cult
Why did Cathay do this?
>>95919899Just take 4 cannons lol. The double shot is the ogre upgrade, itโs a 1/game shoot twice.
>>95919903Money speaks loud. Also the Shhugengan lord is fucking stupid. Give Goku's stick, snipe enemy general and instantly decapitate the enemy army. T5 W7 is also a joke.
>>95919903Overpowered but mostly balanced arcane journal
>>95919909This is so fucking retarded, I wonder what GW was thinking. The only remote consolation is that Cathay can't spam ra-
>giant mobile balloon gunsNevermind.
What's weird is a lot of this shit could have been avoided by just... saying less. They didn't have to explicitly state that everyone is happy and there is no conflict. In fact, GW's policy used to be the opposite - never explicitly state that something doesn't exist or that it never happens. That way GW and players can add their own exceptions.
Chinese censorship probably sucks, but I'm sure it's mainly restrictive about identifiable issues like body horror or depicting the chinese people badly. If they just hadn't mentioned that everything is perfect, it would have been fine.
>>95919842You virgins are already making this happen, just like the 40K secondary virgins keep their version alive. Simply never have sex and keep posting it.
I'M CRASHING OUT
>painting metal model
>hand falls off
>try to glue it back onm
>falls off again
>glue it back on
>the glue has now cruster around the hand of the model
>tryu to scape it off
>comes off again
>glue it back on
>because I'm handling the model paint has come off and you can see spots of shiny metal across the model
>>95919887cathay is worldbuilt like shit so we don't know
>>95919942Get hot water and set it in there. HOT water. Then try to glue.
>>95919905I'm relatively sure the nehekarans were obsessed with immortality before contact with cathay
>>95919887Probably like pseudo immortals kike greek myth. Very long but not elf long.
>>95919942- pin it with superglue
- put a small blob of uncured greenstuff in the join before supergluing
- use a 2-part epoxy
>>95916109Sure you're not being retarded and thinking of Ion tech, which was stated to come from the Demiurg from the beginning? I can't find any info about railguns being from them.
>>95919942>painting metal model>hand falls offYou forgot a step beforehand, pinning.
>>95919887No, they are human.
>Steve laughs at retards in comments that cry about cathay being overpowered
Based.
>>95919887In an ideal version of cathay it would depend on the degree of blood
>first generation: immortal and can turn into full dragons like the parent, but not as big and strong and only for some time >second generation: immortal and can turn into humanoid dragons (demon prince sized)>third generation: live for a long ass time and age appropriately and can turn into humanoid dragons (ogre sized)>4th generation: long lived, can show draconic ancestry by showing draconic features like scales and horns, but are otherwise "just" inhumanly powerful humans>5th generation: long lived, physically and magically powerful humans >6th generation: slightly long lived, slightly stronger than humans, magically gifted (current depiction of shugengan, I believe)>7th generation: magically gifted OR stronger >8th generation: draconic blood is relevant only when a dragon empowers them>9th generation onward: just a title
HOT OFF THE PRESS
ERRATA RUMOURS CORE MINIMUM INCREASING TO 50%
BUCKLE IN BOYS
>>95920043>ERRATA RUMOURS CORE MINIMUM INCREASING TO 50%big if true, but still going to get abused by options that by all accounts should be in special, having core slots
also fucks up allies into being completely unusable
>>95920043Sounds like bullshit, but OK.
Itโs genuinely hilarious they are like the balloon is fine when itโs the same price as an orc or chaos heavy chariot
>>95920055It's balances by the fact it's impossible to transport more than 1.
>>95919398Honestly not as bad as I feared. If Empire troops had better posture they'd almost not look like manlets next to them.
Is there a reason not to give your unit champions in a cathay army the spirit lantern? They can all afford it, itโs unlimited and it makes the unit cause terror.
>>95920055>$160>a bitch to transport Power requires sacrifice.
>>95919398Mogcast eternals
>>95920038>ideal version would have furriesBegone gweilo.
>>95920079Itโs just dumb. Itโs flat better than them in stats and then also gives all your artillery 360 degree LoS from it, and massively buffs the leadership of your entire army, and can freely disengage from combats. And itโs the same price. So they think all these special rules are worth nothing?
>>95920115Can't it just be taken down with magic and cannons?
>>95920052>fucks up allies into being completely unusableGood, they belong in scenarios.
>>95919790>Brets are dare I say it European>Empire is the only actual human faction
>>95920120T5 7W 4+ base, you can easily give it a 5++ or 4++ vs. all magic with an attached character. I donโt think this thread has really talked about how Cathay has a 30pt banner that lets you ignore any hostile magical effect targeted at the unit in a 3+ yet btw.
Can a Shugegan turned vampire ?
>>95920142No but they can turn vampires into shungengans.
>>95920120it's harder to take it down than the other chariots, what's your point?
>>95920038That would be pretty cool, actually.
It'd be complicated though for GW, to implement such a progression in-game, but would be cool fluff.
>Old Sigmar abandoned the Empire to end his days with Miao
>Real Ghal-Maraz is in Nan-Gau asenal (that's why Dwarfs could only provide a copy)
>>95920111>furriesNo, unless you count lizardmen and beastmen and crowmen and monkeymen already as furries.
>>95920156At least even after being supplanted in the game the Empire will live on in the many, many dragon-blooded children of Sigmar and Miao Ying.
So how bad will the infantry fighting in two ranks be for the health of the game?
>>95920173that explains their suicidal tendencies
>>95920150>shugengan lord profile>can buy either a small stat boost (s4 t4) or a great stat boost (s5 t5)>can go from no magic up to lvl4 magic>instead of a steed can buy a transformation (full dragon or prince-sized dragonman or ogre-sized dragonman)>shugengan hero profile>can buy a small stat boost (s4 t4)>can go from no magic to lvl2 magic>instead of a steed can buy a transformation (ogre-sized dragonman)not that difficult
>>95920188The really important question is if shugengan dragon forms should have dragon boobs.
>>95920194Miao ying doesn't have boobs when in full dragon form, so the answer is a strict no for the full dragon option.
As for the other options it would be up to you like it is for all other pinup shit.
>>95920202maybe she's a flattie, what about her mom?
>>95920216no boobs visibile
>>95920216The empress is a lunarian so her true form likely had boobs but wasn't a dragon. However, I think that if early gen shugengan had humanoid dragon forms, the female ones should have breasts.
>>95920223>lunarian so her true form likely had boobsher true form might be an amorphous blob for all we know, or a bird of some kind since her creations are the crowmen and the moon bird is one example of a creature that nests on the moon, allegedly
but we don't know if it's a creature that existed before the great catastrophe or if it's the only type of creature with means of reaching the moon
>>95920243In chinese mythology the inhabitants of the moon are either goddesses in human form or rabbits, so it's most likely the empress' true form was like this.
>>95920038The body horror restriction is so lame.
Give me a character who is a malformed shugengan. A dragon-human hybrid in the worst way, crippled and stunted, he's carried around on a litter with silk veils to hide his monstrous form.
But he's a political mastermind. He smokes a long pipe, sulphurous dragon fumes and tobocco smoke curling round him.
That's the stuff I want.
I really want to start old world with Cathay but I also really like old metal models, I'm very torn
>>95919845The AJ selling out first seems to indicate they made a lot of actual models since they made more than the book you need to actually play them
>>95920294Start with Cahtay, and if you cant create an allied detachment (maybe Empire of Man).
>>95920278>disgraced son of yin-yin>hides his form in the litter, with only a crooked hand emerging to point towards something >runs the underground market of drugs, slaves and spices in and out of cathay, as well as getting bribes to protect the traffic of elven and nipponese pirates>yin-yin doesn't intervene as much as she should because it's her son, despite all, and because removing him would open the spot for someone who might end up being worse and even less traceable >bombs and gunpowder weapons in the army give stupidity to both the ones firing the weapons and those that get shot by them, with the cathayans having a slight bonus to save themselves from the effects of stupidity >half the army can be made of mercenaries and allies, including dark elves
>>95920294start with cathay then get some metal mercenary ogres
>>95916172>If a book said something like 'everyone in the world believes X, but no one knows it's actually Y', wouldn't that count as authorial? Not necessarily, after all even thought no character knows this atm, it's possible a character could no this. For something to be truly authorial it would have to be meta-knowledge, not simply hidden knowledge.
>>95920294Ignore Cathay and buy real Warhammer minis made from metal and crafted with love
>>95916162So if I write a historical fiction book, and my narrator says something no one in the story could know, does that mean my narrator exists outside of reality?
>>95916134>What I'm looking for is a narrator breaking the 4th wallNo, that doesn't happen
>>95918820>year of chaos>Deamons get squattedhow unfortunate
>>95920358No one in the universe is different from no one in the story.
>>95918820>At least if weโre talking about the metals, and the forge world models.Those would be more than enough to add as units to warriors of chaos arcane journals to make god-aligned forces
>resin exalted greater demon>metal greater demon >metal lesser demons>metal hounds/fiends/screamers/beasts>metal seekers/pyros/crushers/nurglings
>>95919255I mean that lines up with the memory wipe
Is there meant to be a new FAQ or errata today or some shit?
>>95920398Next week supposedly
Since Cathay first wave includes 3 centerpiece models, can we except the second wave to be more grounded?
It's missing peasant and missile units, those 50x75mm stone dogs that would serve the same role as razorgors, the crowmen and maybe a wizard hero?
>>95920418I doubt it's going to be grounded
>>95920418not sure on the next wave but the next AJ is supposed to cover an invasion force instead of the expeditionary force this one covers. I'd expect ranged, elite infantry, the crowmen and alchemists. maybe if we're lucky rules for mercenaries.
>>95920432Where are the Cathay invading?
>>95920418Itโs clearly going to have another fucking dragon.
>>95920434the Empire apprantly
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>>95920418I'm expecting the other units on the mural like the Crowmen and Great Moon Bird at least. Then maybe a War Drum or Compass, Astromancers, Alchemists etc
>>95920437Have to stop the white devil somehow
>>95920418jade/jet lions are fuckhueg too, and so would be the chariot with the compass/war drum, or zhao ming
the smaller things they can add are paesants, crane gunners/hail gunners, and onyx crowmen
>>95920418we'll get another named character considering all factions get 2, I'm hoping it's just a human instead of Zhao Ming even though I quite him him
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>>95920038>>95920278>>95920336That's pretty much how the Draco-metamorphs from Tower Dungeon work. Almost to a T. You get some cool body horror from it.
>>95920432>and alchemiststhey have added a magical item that turns one of your heroes into an alchemist, it's possible they did this specifically because they don't plan on having a model for one
same argument for why they made the monkey king into a magical item and the dragon guards into an update for jade warriors, instead a proper unit profile.
>>95920467The Monkey King would be cool but either people would complain he is OP, lore accurate, or UP, not lore accurate.
>>95920477I don't mind it not getting a model, I always found the concept out of place and too on the nose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5mnrNBdm9M
>Cathay beat Ogres by turn 3
Ok, nice
>>95920510Legacy armies don't really count.
Cathay should beat them turn 1.
>>95920510That's bullshit, no way would America lose that quickly.
>>95920510The constant influencer cry that these really arenโt overpowered, honest is telling.
>>95920451>miao ying>zhao ming>lion statue>sentinel>sky lantern >compass/drum>shugengan>general >warriors>lancers >gunners>paesants>crowmen>artillery 14 plastic kits, roughly as many as the full model ranges like empire and high elves
they can even potentially throw 2 sprues of crossbows in exchange of the 2 sprues of halberds and command group (already conveniently all put on separate sprues from the sprue of main bodies) for an online-only alternative box of jade warriors and they would add another ranged option too, the kit even comes with holstered swords
>>95920524Yeah, but Ogres are actually a pretty strong army.
>>95920418>Miao Ying>Shugengan lord (also technically a magistrate but I won't count it)>Gate Master>jade warriors >jade lancers>Grand cannon/rocket battery dual kit>Sky lantern>SentinelTotal: 8
If I were to guess, assuming the same unit limit:
>Zhao Ming>Alchemist or Astromancer (probably alchemist given Zhao)>Peasant long spear>Peasant archers>Jade crossbows>Crane gunners/hail gunner dual kit>Jade lion/jet lion dual kit>War drum/Compass dual kit
I have an extra 30 ungors and gors because I didnโt read the product description closely enough.
What should I do with all these dudes? Sell them on ebay for cheap or give them away at my lgs?
>>95920550>14 plastic kitsalso evenly distributed into two waves and two arcane journals, since miao ying isn't getting released until then
>>95920043So people will just take 50% core and 50% characters now. I don't think that's a very good idea. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if there were more core infantry and cav on the table in most battles, but this seems short-sighted. It's not like bring forced to take more core will make core units better, it'll just give the things that mulch core units easily more targets.
>empire fags crying in the mountain miniatures stream about cathay
Amusing
>>95920556buy orc chariots to replace the charioteers with beastmen and marauder horsemen to convert them into centigors
also a box or two of chaos spawn to make spawns and warped gors
>>95920298You live in a cloud of unreality.
Like 20% of all models sold go to build paint shelf collectors.
Another 10% to people that will never open the boxes.
Probably 15% of these specific sales are for AoS proxies. Throw in another 2% for weirdos who are going to do something with them in Necromunda or Horus Heresy lol.
End result being that at least 40% of purchases do not need the book in any way.
>>95920565>So people will just take 50% core and 50% characters now. nope, 50% core, as many cannons as possible and only then the biggest monster available and a lvl4 wizard for dispels.
>>95920467>bound spell>PL3>for plague of rustWhat the actual fuck, that's insane.
>>95920585that's nothing, for 20pts your sentinel gets to do this
>>95920577I stand corrected, but that's not better.
>>95920565I mean if nothing else Cathay shows they can make an army where every unit is cool and does a particular job well. They just need to revise existing factions with that in mind. The Shugenga with S10 -4AP multiple wounds d3 attacks and Spectral Doppelgรคnger is pretty clearly undercosted, but that is something fixable with points. Itโs not like he is inherently broken or too weak to play.
>>95920585You can put it on the unit champion of the jade lancers too. Though I might be tempted to take a cheap gatekeeper to caddy it or have it on a balloon magistrate.
>>95920574Wouldn't that indicate that the wave has even more kits then? If you assume 40% don't need the book then the book selling out but the models not selling out should mean that there are a fuck load of models (or they didn't produce a lot of books which would be odd)
>>95920596The multiple cannons multiple wind blasts multiple plague of rusts multiple level 4 wizards is going to be tough.
>>95920598how much do you think it should cost?
>cringe lore written by Wumao trolls indistinguishable from CCP propaganda
>ridiculously OP units
>Minis that look like they come from a Disney cartoon
>Exorbitantly priced, even for GW standards (100+ bucks for a Sky Lantern kek)
If you collect Cathay I know to immediately clock you as a faggot who should be ridiculed and ideally bullied into playing Age of Sigmar instead
>>95920596Alright, so Cathay gets to cast one of the best spells in the game as a bound spell twice per turn for a mere 55 points. I don't like it. I hate it. Chaos has to pay 40 points to cast The Summoning at PL2 and the chinamen get to cast Plague of Rust at PL3 for either 5 less or half as many points. Lame! Gay!
>>95920596>>95920467shit like these should be one use only or PL1 or cost twice as much at the very least
>>95920617Nobody cares, empire npc.
>>95920611Probably about 60-100 points more than it does. The staff might as well be a 100pt magic item, it makes no difference for the innate defensive tech of the shug and reduces them to a 4/6 chance of rolling doppelgรคnger from a 5/6. And shugengans are just generally undercosted.
>>95920618>twice per turnthey can fit 2 such sentinels in the 500pts of rare choices.
>>95920617Hey....hey you.
State Troops
>>95920627>>95920635I don't collect Empire, cope.
>>95920618Donโt worry, the Cathayan special lore (one of the two they get anyway) has a better magic missile than The Summoning anyway.
>>95920617mini's are fine
>>95920634I am not pleased by this.
>>95920639You do. Stop lying.
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>>95919398It actually makes perfect sense when you think about it; Jade Warriors are elite troops given quality provisions, equipment, and training. On the other hand, Empire state troops are rarely afforded more than what they strictly need, and the quality of training and upkeep can vary considerably; while in-garrison soldiers of larger cities are soldiers by profession who benefit from daily duty, drills, and requisition, you also have the soldiers of petty lords and border settlements, who are little more than peasants who, after basic training, drill one day a week, and shovel pig shit the other seven.
My point is, the average Jade Warrior benefits from better nutrition, hygiene, and training than the average state troop, so it follows that they're a bit taller on average.
A Sigmarite elector count and BOTET discord shill professor was teaching a class on Sigmar, known barbarian.
โBefore the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Karl Franz and accept that the Empire is the most highly-evolved nation the Warhammer world has ever known, even greater than Grand Cathay!โ
At this moment, a brave, filial, harmonious, Dragon-Blooded Longma rider who had served 1500 tours of duty on the Great Bastion and understood the necessity of Dragon rule and fully supported all military decision made by the Celestial Dragon Emperor stood up and held up a map.
โWhich is the greatest nation of Man, laowai?โ
The arrogant professor smirked quite Disharmoniously and smugly replied โSigmar's Empire, obviously.โ
โWrong. Itโs Grand Cathay. If Sugmar's Empire was, as you say, the greatestโฆ then it should be the largest most populous nation by now!โ
The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Testaments of Sigmar. He stormed out of the room crying those Imperial crocodile tears. The same tears imperials cry for the โoppressedโ Cathay peasants (who today live in such luxury that most own plows) when they jealously try to claw justly earned wealth from the deserving Shugengan aristocracy.
The students stood up and all shouted "Wan Sui!" in unison and all declared their unyielding loyalty to Grand Cathay and accepted the Dragon Emperor as their lord and savior. Miao Ying herself flew into the room and gave everyone present an Iron Hail gun and drafted all of them to serve in the Great Bastion. Everyone kowtowed before her several times, and the Moon Empress herself showed up and saw to it that every chaos cultist in the nation suffered a fiery painful death!
The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He tried going back west to his backwards constantly civil warring "Empire" but was eaten by Ogres while trying to cross the Ivory Road
ๆไปฌ็ฑไฝ ่้ข,ไฝ ๆฏๆ้ค็ๆๆฃ็ๅฅณๅญฉ!
>>95920635I don't understand this reference. Are state troops infamously bad hobby wise or something?
>>95920674In the game, they are appallingly bad compared to other core choices and now are completely outclassed by jade warriors, another human core foot unit.
>>95920665>It actually makes perfect sense when you think about itWell actually it doesn't. Jade Warriors are supposed to be unisex for example, but in no world are men and women physically the same based on nutrition.
>>95920644and then they can add one other jade sentinel as a special choice if the army just happens to be led by the insanely convenient shugengan lord
>lvl4 ligma with monkebonk: 359>2 ogreloaded cannons: 495>3 jade sentinels 750>500 points of warriors and lancers >1939pts (25pts of magical allowance left to the shugengan, just to buy a small magical shield to give it a 2+ out of combat)you don't even need another hero for the alchemical mask since you can shove that onto a jade lancer champion anyway
the only downside is that you're not getting a third ogre loaded cannon or a bunch of sky lanterns instead
>>95920551Youโre as retarded as a ogre
>>95919797They were gone after 5th edition
>>95920710I honestly think you canโt go far wrong with two ligmas with the 70 point plus magic weapons and 5 illusion spells. The monkey one will comfortably kill anything in the game if he gets doppelgรคnger off, even the most pimped dragonlord, and the other will at least go blow for blow with it at half the price. Only the killing blow bret duke scares them and he frightens everything.
>>95920710They canโt take magical shields because they cannot take ordinary shields.
>>95920574>You live in a cloud of unrealitySays man who starts spouting off percentages pulled straight out of his ass. Insecure much?
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Khuresh when?
The sky balloonโs reserve bonus stacks so if you like you could fill out your core with one huge jade lancers unit and just keep them off the board until turn 5 as points denial.
>>95920762They're based on leaked info from GW China
>>95920738If second rank of infantry can now give supporting attacks, is the age of cavalry dead?
>>95919522>Cathay, however, should have been Grimdarkwhy? I think I'd prefer them being bright as a twist to how they are IRL and let the grim darkness stick to Chorfs and Kislev
>eceleb shilling
I remember just how retarded /twg/ is
>>95920763whenever body horror is allowed ofr Cathay
>>95920771>GW chinaI remember there TWWH3 leaks being utterly bullshit.
>>95920763Considering the amount of 3d designs they're making, it wouldn't surprise me if they made a step further and planned printable miniatures for their faction
otherwise you'll have to make generic snakemen miniatures suffice
>>95920774Wouldnโt that just mean jade lancers could attack in 3 ranks?
>>95920806I think that's just sorta required for the unit to be put in WH3.
>>95919743why would there need to be dark cathay, they're already fighting chaos in the north, Nippon and the Goryeo in the east, orks and goblins in the south and west
>>95920820>the GoryeoI don't think they exist in the Warhammer world
>>95920820>GoryeoI feel like if we get any real lore on that area it's probably going to just be an extension of hobgoblin territory. Alternatively the map calls the mountains in the south of not!Korea the eldritch heights so maybe fishman live there.
>>95920774No, cavalry still had a role to play in 8th.
>>95920278>The body horror restriction is so lame.>Give me a character who is a malformed shugengan.fuck off, you already have factions for that. I want an orderly neat army
>>95920779>why? so they fit into the setting
the dragons wouldn't be benevolent for no reason and would have interests that don't align with the well being of humans, if not even interests that at the end of the day would see the destruction of humans, since they would view them as one other invasive force the old ones unleashed on their world, changing it from what they preferred
the citizens wouldn't be unanimously fine with not having any say on governance, or with the cost of resources and manpower for the grand scale projects of their distant inhuman ruler, and the oppression of dissent and religions would create underground communities and cults
manipulating magic with the great compass would have drawbacks and consequences, if not for cathay then for the surrounding regions that would then become problems against cathay
hybridisation with another species wouldn't go without errors and flaws and the creation, uplifting, maintenance and favour of these bloodlines would foster competition and intercine conflicts for power
The abaloons and sentinels look fucking stupid on the board
>>95920885damn the Hell pit Abominations look tiny in comparison
>>95920885both should have been way smaller to begin with
>>95920880>the dragons wouldn't be benevolent for no reason and would have interests that don't align with the well being of humansI mean this is already true, the Dragon of Cathay wants to undo the Old Ones moving the planet closer to the sun which could borderline eradicate all life on the planet. Mostly you just sound mad because you had already built an idea of what Cathay was in your mind out of the scraps and are upset the reality didn't match it
>>95920885balloons look so awesome, holy shit.
guess I need two after all.
>>95920885Longma hero looks like a one of for me cause seeing two of them makes them loook like shit
>>95920885They look but the scale is definetly iffy. I'd like to think that's at least partially due to the fact that the other models are like 20 years old.
>>95920924>they look great
>>95920920don't go for the female head as the ponytail is likely to snapped off
I don't even have room to store the sky lantern. It's as tall as 4 and a half plastic giant
>>95920909enjoy playing warhammer 3 kingdoms with other cathay players and no one else
>>95920885They look cool, dolt. Pussy.
>>95920885>Skaven vs ChinaOof, I'm ratfag but I don't want to see that
How do primal warherds survive being shot?
Chalice of Dark Rain on turn 2, plus Pelt of Midnight on a character?
>>95920949curious how someone's brain works like this who percieves the world without a concept of aesthetics and balance
>>95920943But I have a lively TOW community in my LGS that enjoys playing with me. already have my first two games booked :)
>>95920885didn't know mantic came out with a chinese proxy army, looks ass
>>95920885>balloons already in the skaven deployment zoneHa. Hahahaha, even! Ohohoho, if you will. I knew they'd be bullshit. Called it, you might even say.
>>95920901>I mean this is already trueno, it's not, word of god says they're benevolent and caring and protective of humans, it's not one interpretation, it's not what the citizens believe, it's how they're factually said to be with no nuance or ambiguity whatsoever and for no reason.
There's no example nor even one inkling of implication that whatever they do or might do could go against the interests of their subjects.
>you just sound madYes, I'm mad GW missed ALL of the low hanging fruits for the world building of the faction and presented the most shallow shit possible.
It doesn't work, it doesn't fit warhammer, and I'm not whatever boogeyman you desperately want me to be because that's the only potential angle of defence for the literal worst case scenario for a new faction:
without depth, without details, with no genuine attempt to make it work within the confines, themes and metaphysics of the previously established world, and instead it's nothing but the presentation of not!primarchs, an attempt to cater to a foreign market, and overpowered rules to bump the sales.
Of course I'm mad, noone sane would defend this.
The only saving grace in this travesty is that the miniatures range from passable to good with a few gems in the crews.
>>95920963You will get one game with each person, and they will very likely not agree to play against cathay again after the novelty wears off and it becomes obvious what miserable CBT it is
>>9592094114.5 inches from the base to the top
>>95920976they have scout and reserve mouvement
>>95920976watching them teeter as they move around and the guys having to try really hard not to knock them over is very funny
>>95920983The canon crew and balloon crew are pretty nice, everything else is very stinky imo
>>95920993I am extremely clumsy man. I am actually extremely nervous because it will be on my side of the board
>>95920983>all those wordsyawn are you done crying, have you eaten?
>>95920993>oops I accidentally knocked off your lantern, sorry>oops, I did it again>oh damn I'm so clumsy today, that's the third on the ground>I hope you didn't pay much for them, fortunately the store has got scores left!
>>95921004You will have to hold them like you hold a wine glass, so cupping it in your palm between your middle and ring finger.
>>95920885>paper balloons which are the same price as an all metal chariot and are way tougher
>>95920901No, that is confirmed as an incorrect fan theory as of the AJ.
That does not look like 4000 of Skaven
>>95920991I'm not even mad at this point. I was right, I predicted they would be annoying, but I wish I had been wrong. I'm not looking forward to facing even more flying units from now on. Especially not ones that can fly up, shoot, then fly back, which is even worse than I had even imagined.
>>95921031The balloonsโ price point is absolutely insane. They could be 200 minimum and youโd still take 2.
>>95921031I am not going to play against cathay at all, the army is ugly and I only want to play good looking games so I can take photos of it and write my autistic lore blurbs about /mydudes/ heroics
>>95920984dont think so. cathay is mid tier as best. also, we dont have autistic spergs in our LGS :)
>>95921044so you cant play against 90% of TOWs regular armies and none of the legacy armies.
>>95921054Cathay is the worst looking army there is, including Legacy factions.
>>95921054Every army CAN look good, but if you just buy the tk default army like a retard, yea of course. Cathay might be doable when alternate options for the unit start to show up
>>95920885If I'm running 1000 points of an Empire gunline, ie Crossbows, Handguns, and cannons. Is it worth it to take 250 points for an Cathay allied contingent consisting of:
>62.5 ponts worth of Jade Warriors and their upgrades for the 25% Core >40 points for a Strategist >135 points for Sky Lanterns (used for artillery spotting and more guns)That leaves me with 12.5 points left.
>>95920820Because it would means Cathay is not perfect, they have rebels.
>>95921066no, its actually the best looking. after their announcement, many people in my club stated their interest in TOW because it finally got some decent looking models.
>>95921085not legal I think aren't lanterns rare?
>>95921091I believe some AoS consoomer types who are most impressed by models being BIG would love it yea, I'm talking about people who are able to spin a cow in their head though
>>95921044It's not possible to make a good looking game out of any of the old models. So you using AoS figs, proxies, 3D prints, what?
Also yourdudes are known for being cowardly nonces across the continent. Canonically.
>>95921091Your cohort of AoSissy zoomers don't count anon. Cathay is soulless slop.
>bro these generic as fuck chinkshit models are ackshually the BEST miniatures available for WHF!!!! look at how good they are!
>>95921111>impossible to make a good looking game out of any of the old modelsNot that anon, but that's a complete and total lie. You don't deserve your digits.
>>95921132This doesn't look like a uniform, but it is, it's very weird
>>95920852What did they do in 8th?
>>95921093I almost forgot Special is 50% total points. You can take 1 Lantern as a Special if he general of the Cathay contingent is a Magistrate or a Strategist. Not doable in 1000 points game, but doable in a 2000 points game.
>>95921147Might be cool if you cooked up a cool nuln themed imperial balloon
>>95921132I'd rather field an army of this than the cartoon tk skeletons, but they get mogged by the core of every other army
>>95921135Look like museum gift shop trinkets
>>95921132Only issue is no variability in the pose I think.
>>95921132I donโt like the musicians
If kislev looks like the tww designs It'll also be bad
>>95921201Yes but only because theyโll just be another type of imperial guard
>>95921132I like the armor, particularly the robes and wind embellishments on the arms and pauldrons, but the collar and helmet just don't hit for me. The former is way too big for my taste, and the latter kind of looks like a skullcap with the way it hugs the head. Shame because there's tons of cool historical Chinese helmets they could have used as inspiration. Just adding a little bill like in pic related could be such a glowup.
I'm putting some Ogre Bulls together for the first time, and they sure have some pointy nipples, don't they?
>>95921111>Also yourdudes are known for being cowardly nonces across the continent. Canonically.You keep projecting, anon.
>>95921132I have huge issues with cathay, but the models mostly aren't the problem. Those guys look fine.
The cannon and balloon crew are legitimately good.
>>95921239the ogre kingdoms are notoriously cold
>>95921251Well they do live high up
I spent too much money on plastic models againโฆ
>>95921111>It's not possible to make a good looking game out of any of the old models>anon casually reveals he doesn't actually like warhammer
>>95921132These look like a fuckton of work to paint, jesus. They put even aos models to shame in that aspect.
>>95921192Funny, that's what I like the most about them
>>95920885The fucking balloons.
I hate I'm probably gonna get at least on2 down the line.
>>95921132>generic as fuck chinkshit modelsAh yes, all those plastic Ming Chinese at 1/56 like... or. . . .
>>95921294$2,800 on multiple armies, supplies, books, terrain and paint.
>>95920885The sentinels should be smaller than the plastic giant and the lanterns shouldn't way smaller and have only one or 2 guys on top at most.
>>95921317The sentinels should be ushabti, not fuck huge mega giants
>>95921315On one hand, fair play having that much disposable income. On the other hand, good god!
>>95921320>>95921326I am GWโs ideal consumer.
>>95921325I don't suggest ushabti sentinels simply because I think cathay should have slave/mercenary ogres
>>95919243That is one ugly mother fucker
I myself ordered the new avatars of war razorgors they should arrive nxt week
>>95921239Why do you think they get that +1 S when charging?
>>95921341I think the most interesting thing would actually be infantry with undead rules, it matches the historical inspiration best and it would be interesting for an army to have one undead unit instead of being one or the other
>>95921121With that gorget they can hide their heads like turtles
>>95919831>sky lanterns have existed since the days of sigmar kinda retarded
>>95921367Does that deserve a dedicated kit tho? wouldn't it be better to make a profile in an arcane journal and suggest to paint the jade warriors as terracotta for that?
>>95921382before that most probably, I think nehekara too dabbled with hot air balloons, or I think they were mentioned during the rise of nagash at least.
>>95921389Yea, but in my hypotethetical cathay but good, the terracotta would look more ceremonial and archaic like the actual jade warriors, and the human infantry would be more practical and diverse instead of waring uniform parade gear
>skaven basically effortlessly tabled on turn 3, only win is the hell pit wailing on a unit of core infantry
lol
>>95921416Bold strategy putting the strongest overall army up against the weakest overall army in the game.
>>95921425He didn't play Empire.
How widely used are the renegade rules
>>95921447not used in my area
I bought a Cathayan Sentinel because it looks cool
>>95921444Empire gunlines are pretty good
Cathay currently suffers from only having two units and being overtuned. I imagine that once they get the rest of the army they'll be less jacked since you finally have options.
>>95921459Good luck assembling it. Not trying to be a downer but I watched a video where a guy was showing the instructions and called it the worst model he has ever had to put together. And he has done titans and other forgeworld giants.
>>95921477Weird for such a simple model, it's just a big dude with no machine parts or anything like that
>>95921382Dragon Daddy created them just after the end of Chaos Invasion, even before the Bastion and gun powder.
>>95921475It suffers from being ugly too
>>95921490https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ykg8Scrd1w&ab_channel=MediocreHobbies
The skirt is 11 separate parts lmao
>>95921490The video that anon is talking about
It also stands out since the rest of the Cathay models seem much easier to assemble.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ykg8Scrd1w&t=25s
>>95921492oh cathay is one of those things where every single thing was done by one character huh
Sigmar kind of suffered from that too over time where Literally Everything happened because of sigmar, instead of just letting something go to his fourth successor or whatever
>>95921521At least it's a dream to paint since it's all drybrushing and oil washes to make it look great
>>95921505>>95921503All that for a model that, with the "one color and drybrush" scheme most players will give it, looks like cheap action figure or mantic model. If the same sculpt was 40% the size it would look really good! Just a little smaller than the giant! Which is giant by the way, the giant is quite big!
>>95921372That explains the WS7.
>>95921475This makes no logical sense. The current downsides of the army result from its limited roster: they have no cheap wizards on foot, everything they want to play in special and rare is a decent chunk of change (despite being clearly undercosted in a couple of cases) and theyโre stuck taking 500pts of core that while it has some flexibility really only plays in a couple of ways (it is funny jade warriors come in at a 5 minimum so you could run the anti-flying banner for a cool 80-ish points or so the same thing with champions and spirit lanterns and run 5-6 min size terror-causing units as your core).
Once the roster builds out they will be able to better double down on things like having strong wizards or building a gun line. The current core will cease to be an albatross around around their neck and their flexibility will increase. Without direct points or star nerfs as more units are added to the roster they will only become stronger than they currently are.
>>95921477Yeah apparently the feet are awful.
>>95921406you could get that by bashing jade warriors arms, helmets and weapons onto peasant bodies
>>95921477He can not irriterate that enough
>>95921025Please tell me this is bait because this was a genuinely interesting plot point
>>95921539>Once the roster builds out they will be able to better double down on thingsAssuming it stays the same and the core isn't upped to 50%. The army exists to sell the range, which at this point is mostly centerpieces.
>>95921477why? it's practically monopose too
Thinking about the Spirit Lantern being unlimited is very funny because the gate guy heroes and magistrates and strategists are all quite cheap. You could run a cav-based Cathayan army with like:
>shuggie causing terror
>double hero balloons causing terror
>gatekeeper on horse causing terror
>core is 4 units of jade lancers causing terror
Just getting cheap terror on any hero or champion is pretty good.
>>95921564Nope, the AJ confirms the dragemperor sincerely loves humans, would never choose to them harm and his seclusion is only to uncover further methods of destroying chaos.
>>95921581I think this is one example of where the army was intentionally pushed. This item probably originally gave fear. The sky lantern probably originally had to buy its feigned flight and fire and fly. The cannon probably had to buy its movement debuff as special ammunition. But they did a last pass like they did to debuff the legacy armies to buff this new one.
>>95921572Core going to 50% would be one of the most stupid decisions the TOW team could make so itโll probably happen.
>>95921555that would look very bad
>>95921619Game just plain ain't built for it, boss.
>>95921503Average modern GW sprue design. An absolutely tedious nightmare to assemble. Going back to old models was such a breath of fresh air after working with modern 40k/AoS assemblies, I almost forgot how fun it was to build models.
>>95921619core units are generally kinda useless in the current game so It would make the one big monster you bring even more absurdly powerful and any army that can take good units in core obcene
a better solution would be to get rid of all the "you may take x as core" rules and then to buff infantry so it has a role outside undead
>>95921655other Cathay models like the Jade Warriors and even the Sky Balloon look a lot easier to build
>>95921655I love third party kits because they all have sane design, gw is the only doing the stupid high tech puzzle kits. Sure it looks good, but by god it's unfun, and it doesn't look THAT much better. I can tolerate it on stuff like newer space marines where the body is 3 puzzle peices, but the rest of the kit is sensible, but shit like new orks where the hole model is a jigsaw (powerklaw in 3 parts spread across 3 sprues on one of the newer kits btw) is just pain, let alone anything bigger.
>>95921655For some reason HH and Legion Imperialis are immune to that. The sprues of the kit I build were fantastic, you basically could assemble everything while barely looking at the instructions and with everything grouped together very easily
>>95921717Mechanicum robots are more tedious to build than any 40k unit.
>>95921674I honestly don't really know how you fix infantry in TOW without going back to 8e's deathblocks. You can buff their CR to make head-on confrontations risky, and that will work for stuff like state troops and spearmen, but it still leaves no room for elite infantry in the game.
>>95921717space marines in general are easier to make sensible kits for because of how they go to together, the nu-gw style is most obnoxious on organic models
>>95921477>called it the worst model he has ever had to put together. And he has done titans and other forgeworld giants.Worst GW kits are things like some Necron characters. Extremely small and spindly and with a dozen pieces for a single articulation.
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>>95921503The g**nhammer dude fucked it up and had to salvage it by turning it into a half-destroyed kintsukuroi sentinel with a tree growing out of it. I guess nobody tell him kintsugi is Japanese.
>>95921744worst GW models are metal models because of how shit it glues together. In plastic, the BB dark elves and amazon teams were a nightmare to assemble
>>95921492Funny that it said Miao Ying prepared sky lanterns at Marienburg to meet Sigmar in style when Marienburg at that point in the canon should be like an iron age tribal shithole fishing village.
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Just embrace the line and infantry just works.
>>95921750That looks dope as hell tho
>>95921738Fight in 2 ranks as standard + better cr like increasing it to 3 ranks, 4 for horde, and making the close order bonus only go to the largest unit in combat. Means infantry with killing power can actually do some killing, and anvils can stay put as they're intended, + makes all infantry a better platform for spells.
>>95921750chinks, nips, gooks, same shit
Are there any scale comparisons yet?
>>95921744My dad rage quit getting back into building models because the first time he got back into was with necron character models and he's not quite as coordinated as he used to be, and it made him feel super old and feeble and it was really sad :(
>>95921776Yeah it does. It's a fun fullfilment of the concept of kintsugi as a result. I really like the inked porcelain style.
>>95921750looks more interesthing than it would be if it was just a big white/gold blob assembled correctly. Moss + a strong weathering gradient might be neccesary to make the model look decent when assembled as intended.
>>95921750>I guess nobody tell him kintsugi is Japanese.You know damn well 90% of people looking at Cathay immediately think of Japan instead of China.
>>95921447never heard of these? What is it?
>>95921789Just get him some non-GW models. The stuff from GW these days is crazy, plenty of other companies are still doing the choose your legs torso arms and head stuff.
>>95921788I don't hate this is a grave guard kitbash actually, worst part of the jades is the dork ass helmets
>>95921416Skaven drew this game btw
>>95921799I think the fact the poses for the models are so limits means you're gonna have to carve them up a bit if you want to run multiple and have it look good.
>>95921761And not even part of Sigmar's empire at that time.
She landed in with pomp and ceremony in the middle of bunga bunga land.
Although to be fair, at that time the only Empre city to have been established for more than a human lifetime is Reikdorf/Altdorf. This is what happens when your factions that theoretically change over time (even if the Empire turns from tribes to landsknechts overnight) interact with factions whose leaders are older than the gods and invented all their shit on day 1 and did nothing for the next 6k years.
>>95921789Bro I played around the mid-2000s and got back into things with Necromunda Amazons and to go from how kits were then to like, here is a tiny mohawk in three separate pieces which attaches to a rat tail was some traumatizing shit. He shouldn't feel busted, modelling is straight up harder than it used to be.
>>95921834The timeline for Warhammer is pretty schizo even contained to the empire. We have 1000 years of civil war and then basically everything we recognize as modern empire happens within 2 centuries, but overall technology is pretty much the same before and after.
>>95921834Middenheim was also founded by this time and was already the centre of the Ulric cult,
Talabheim might have also existed
>>95921851>and then basically everything we recognize as modern empire happens within 2 centuriespractically all technologies in the empire were established by the year 2000
>>95921851technology being the same is just them not wanting to make a totally seperate aesthetic/model range for mordheim despite the fact it probably should be noticibly more medieval and less landsknekt
>>95921870I really do think it's a shame TOW hasn't dug into its specific point in the timeline and is more just a poorly defined WHFB.
>>95921761>>95921834Actually it was the founding act of Marienburg.
>>95919660>there is no social credit in China HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>95921875Today I will remind them.
>>95921851It's just laziness really. And commercial bullshit.
If you look at John Blanche's design notes for the 6e rulebook, he suggests depictions of historical Empire figures wearing more high middle ages armour. You can see a bit of this in the bayeux tapestry-style art.
But GW don't want you playing alt history games with non GW models, so even Ottilia's forces are depicted and 16th century guys.
>>95921893Do you think Sigmar ever hit that aboard a sky lantern?
>>95921897>there's a tool to keep companies in check>this is evil and wrong and totalitarian >there's a private number based on each individual's worth as a piggy bank to financial institutions >this is based Dios mio.
>>95921893Actually the ruling family of Marienburg are the descendants of the coupling between Sigmar and Miao Ying well the original ruling family was. She left a clutch of eggs behind when she returned to Cathay and that's why Marienburg is such a wealthy city.
>>95921132If they're generic, can you find me examples of other miniatures that look the same?
>>95921908I'm surprised they extended Nehakara to also be half of the Darklands when even old maps just treated it as a bit of small exclave in the southwestern portion of it.
>>95921908you forgot one part
>>95921923>>95921893>Meow lands, fucks the one guy living there, pops out his kid, then goes to Sigmar>her abilities end up making Sigmar leave the Empire and retire "across the world's edge mountains" not too long after she leavesHmmmm.
All cathay mortals should have fear(undead)
>>95921939Nagash CANNOT stop WINNING
>>95921938Making peak nehkara huge is ideal imo since it makes it easier to justify them fighting anyone other than misadventurers in not-egypt, skeletons showing up in the border princes (the main setting of whfb btw) and screaming about it's rightful nehek clay is ideal
>>95921908>>95921939So he was so afraid of nagash that he pivoted the entire country into isolationism and started studying up in the hope of overcoming his fearful magic? Despite all the focus given to the bastion resisting chaos, nagash is the actual ultimate enemy of cathay?
>>95921938Tell me about the lizard pyramid
>>95921941undead already cause fear
>>95921939If they played this up and made the dragon emperor super paranoid about shit that happened 3000 years ago that would be fun. Make it more ambiguous, like "before the old ones showed up he say some fucking SHIT, and is preparing for something obsessively no one knows."
>>95921858Middenheim was founded by Artur, the same guy Sigmar beat up to conquer the Teutogens. It was founded decades before (Artur was an elderly man when Sigmar kicked the shit out of him - good job), but it was still within living memory.
The temple of Ulric was not built until 113 IC, although there was probably some structure there beforehand.
>>95921973yea I realized that after posting.
They should roll three dice against fear/terror checks by undead and discard the best
>>95919522>Cathay, however, should have been Grimdark Why? Brettonia and the empire aren't notably grimdark internally. Life doesn't suck in either of these places anymore than it did irl in the past other than the external threat of chaos, orcs, and beastmen
>>95921966It's the Temple of Skulls that the lizerdmen control
>https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Temple_of_Skulls
>>95921539>stuck taking 500pts of core units that don't suck>no weak foot wizards just some kick ass generals with lvl4Dude you've been at this for almost 3 days and still your shilling won't stop. How much are they paying you?
>cathay cant even beat skaven
I hope Cathay gets a day 1 buff or its looking grim
Cathay has sold out of the big box in the US
>>95921979I don't like how much the empire retains such clear roots to it's founding 2500 years ago, my head canon is that it's all horse shit propaganda by different provinces to claim shit, and the empire as it exists today is basically a completely original polity with very limited ties to anything that existed before magnus reinvented it.
>>95921960>in the hope of overcoming his fearful magic?not really, the isolationism was due to losing the one ally they had found
the magic was being studied not specifically to deal with nagash but in general to deal with potential threats
chaos seems to be the main enemy in mind
it would be a neat plot hook if nagash was now to get written as a personal enemy of the dragon emperor, insofar as to make the conquest of cathay and the claiming of the dragon's power a fundamental part of his future rise and ascension to godhood, instead of the end times plot
but I doubt gw would pick up on the idea
>>95922004Nice. The FLGS doesn't open for three more hours.
That's what I get for supporting local business.
>>95922004GW could package human shit and it would sell out if they called it an army box.
>>95922004AJ is sold out as well
>>95921993I get you properly read at a 6th grade level but that was not a post defending Cathay.
>>95921987>Life doesn't suck in either of these places anymore than it did irl in the past other than the external threat of chaos, orcs, and beastmencan you say the same for cathay?
>>95920880>so they fit into the settingPeople really overexaggerate how "grimdark" the whf setting is. This isn't 40k. High elves and dwarves don't have anything grimdark at all going on, brettonia is just the popular view of what feudalism is like and the empire isn't any worse than most basic fantasy societies.
>>95921987The question isn't about the lore, just simple that Cathay should look more Grimdark and Grubby, which would make it more in line with Brettonia and the Empire aestically.
It's not like China doesn't make Grimdark looking things so it shoulden't have been an issue for GW to do it
>>95922010Yeah it would involve skeletons so it's a no-go for the sensitivity team.
>>95922022>High elves and dwarves don't have anything grimdark at all going onBesides both being driven to extinction.
>>95922007maybe you shouldn't imagine the empire of that age with the same clothes and culture
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>>959219876e brettonia is insanely grimdark and it's cringe, glad they didn't go that route, but it's still too bright and shiny, it should have been at least actual china level of grimdark
>>95922004still aivable in the UK I guess Cathay won't be that popular in Europe
>>95922028That's mostly because they don't fuck, humans aren't gonna have that issue.
>>95921325>they should be exactly like this other thing this army has!!No thanks
>>95922037Kinda weird because my understanding is TOW itself isn't that popular stateside.
>>95922022>High elves and dwarvesThey aren't humans, and their flaws are expressed differently with arrogance, stubbornness and crumbling kingdoms past their golden ages.
Bretonnia and the empire don't shy away from the issues of their governments, religions and of the threats around them shaping their character, cathay does, it's utterly atonal.
>>95922004The online store I use got over 100 battalions in stock, they probably FOMO ordered when seeing the mistake by GW saying they were "while stocks last".
>core goes up to 50% minimum
>army break point enforced
>all the monsters that would be made core through a general are no longer core or more heavily restricted, as in they don't count towards your minimum core requirement
>more narrative focus with scratch-built scenery and dioramas baked into the gameplay
Think it'll work?
>>95922030They do have the same religion though, the provinces roughly correspond with the tribes (which is insanely stupid), and the only art of anything in between landsknekt and fur barbarian is like one or two references to the events of 1111
>>95922015The last two AoS army boxes are still widely available, and those are limited release not a permanent stocked item like Cathay
>>95922047Americans are more vulnerable to NEW PRODUCT HYPE HYPE! LETS BUY THIS TO OWN THE CHUDS! and also they probably calibrated the number of boxes available in each region to sales of other ToW boxes
>>95922066>They do have the same religion thoughSo did christians shorty after christ and christians 2000 years later, it will be expressed differently.
>>95922071To be fair GW is charging over $200 for 9 figures so they can fuck right off.
Odd thing is that the FOMO dice set is sold out in the UK but not the US
>>95921921>tracking people who can't make good financial decisions and preventing them from making more poor financial decisions is bad>the government judging and punihsing the. companies based on how loyal they are to the government is good
>>95922091I guess we just the UK just has a lot of Jackie Chan Adventure fans in the UK
>>95922089Doesn't explain the SBGL flop
>>95922099I miss sonic underground
>>95922104Itโs weird because my LGs sold all 10 of them and ended up restocking it and then no one touched them afterwards.
>>95922028That's not "grimdark" anon. People are really watering down that phrase to just mean "badstuff". Is someone and Juliet "grimdark" because they both die in the end.
Also they're decreasing population affects very little other than being throw a way lines. Their culture hasn't changed as a result and there's always as many dwarves/elves as the plot needs there to be and for them to still be major powers.
>>95922115There is a large portion of the audience, for aos and 40k especially, who get excited for new product, but it on launch day, then store it in a closet for all time. If they can't get it launch day (or near enough) they will never get it, because what they're buying is the fantasy of OOOH NEW NEW I AM GOING TO MAKE A NEW ARMY OOOOOH
>>95922099oh there go the dice in the US
>>95922007I agree. The thing is, various authors have managed to fuck up (positively) the borders of the Empire in the middle of its existence. The Drive to the Frontiers, with the Empire expanded into Bretonnia and the Border Princes, the pre-Gospodar extent of Ostland and Ostermark into Kislev, the Ungol migrations, the pre-Turmoil electors etc. But Sigmar's era is the only historical period some of the GW writers even consider, so the setting is bookended by being basically identical.
You'll note that the only events that actually change the Empire's structure in a meaningful way appeared very early on. The Age of Three Emperors, Magnus the Pious, the creation of the Moot and Marienburg's independence were all in the timeline from the start. Solland's destruction appeared in the 4th edition army book at the same time as the big elector streamlining. I don't know when Drakwald first appeared - possibly the WD article on runefangs around early 4e.
This is why it's important to get the broad stroke of change in Cathay early, but they've deliberately done the opposite of that.
>>95922048>Bretonnia and the empire don't shy away from the issues of their governments, Governments having internal issues isn't "grimdark" anon. The issues that brettonia and empire face are pretty grounded, normal issues. If you barometer for what counts as "grimdark" is just having a civil war than you may as well describe any unfortunate situation as "grimdark"
>>95921921>a tool that's used on people who do wrongthink is the same as a system that determines how trustworthy you are in repaying loansWEW CHANG
>>95922104Ain't it just the old box but twice price because the figures are new?
>>95922141>punishing greedy private actors that harm others is bad but arbitrarily locking people out of money opportunities unless they submit to being debt slaves is good
>>95922063>Think it'll work?no, too many cores kills the game as it did back in 8th, even worse now that the basic soldiers of some armies have aged 10 more years
the core and special separation has become completely outdated with how many weirder things there are that gw wants you to field and that the players also want to field because they're cool
but between these extreme units and the basic footsoldiers there are what were once the special enough units that nowadays are taken less and less or taken only when some rule allows them to be taken as core
which is why I believe all special units that are just simple infantries, simple cavalries and simple chariots should be moved to core with the caveat that you can't have more core-specials than you have core-core units.
>>95922134gw (and fantasy authors in general) have a bad habit of dividing a setting into "now" and the "past" (a particular important period of time where literally everything now was set up) and largely ignore everything in between, fantasy is actually LESS bad in that regard than 40k with the horus heresy or something like warcraft with the era of azhara
>>95922143>20 grave guards>5 black knights>a mounted character Back in 8th edition, this would cost 100โฌ.
>180โฌlmao
>>95922124So you would have no problem with cathay being described as long past its golden age, in decline and on the way to extinction
>>95922153A credit score is useless unless you're trying to aquire more debt, and it just meassures how consistently you've paid debts before.
>>95922174Back like three years ago you got it for $80.
>>95922143anyone have a good size comp between these and the old skellies? If they look reasonable next to each other, I might actually pick this up, especially if it's SELLING FAST and might be possible to get cheap from an LGS
>>95922176It would be pretty fitting that the dragons have such a skewed perception of reality from living so long that they believe theyโre still in the glory days and keep throwing a declining population at chaos
>>95922184>>95922174You both don't understand, there is a book inside! And Cards!
>>95922180>just meassures how consistently you've paid debts beforeExcept for things like rent, utilities, and other recurring expenses.
And if your CS is low because you refuse to take on debt you either get refused loans or your rates are jacked up because you lack history.
>>95922136The semantics don't matter, if anything cathay not facing similar issues makes them, in your own words, not grounded and abnormal compared to the rest of the setting.
>>95922124>That's not "grimdark" anon. Grimdark has always been a bullshit superfluous term, that's why it became a meme in the first place.
>there's always as many dwarves/elves as the plot needsAnd they're always ready to go extinct, because that's what the theme needs.
I'm really looking forward to painting this chariot. It was a complete bitch to assemble and I still have to file down some mouldd lines & fill some gaps, but it will be mighty and beautiful once it's done and will be a very welcome addition to my warband.
>casting bonus for wizard level caps at 2, point of level 4 is to have more spells
>remove drilled from all cavalry
>remove the free pivots flyers get
There the game is fixed
>>95922260Infantry not being able to charge because they pay for their wheel and not being able to FUCKING DO ANYTHING in combat isn't fixed.
>>95922260Infantry also need fight in two ranks, but yea, wizards should be +1 for heros, +2 for lords,
>>95922184Just bought this NoS for significantly less than the current one and I like the models much more, that whight king is even better than the one everone glazes.
>>95922249This looks sick anon, very heavy metal.
>>95922285>>95922287Infantry are shit because theyโre bottom of the barrel for mobility. They need more combat res and to have โdisruptedโ removed from flank charges.
a bonus being given to unit charging in the flank AND removing all rank bonuses is just bullying
>>95922302They're both good but yeah I'm sad you can no longer get the one in this box.
>>95922141Do you slurp the cum off their boots while it's still warm, or does it give you more of a buzz once it's cold and coagulated?
>>95922201I've never taken on any debt other than the credit cards I churn and pay off in full and my credit is 800+, sounds like an IQ issue
>>95921939Such is the power of Nagash...
>>95922329I disagree, Infantry should get RAPED by flank charges, but be largely indominable to frontal charges unless it's something way wayer better than that
I wonder how many boxes/books/etc each region had? Like would it make sense for the US to have say 10k battallion boxes? Or is that way to low?
Colorized; the Dragon Emperor of Grand Cathay confronts Nagash
>>95922184I wish sword and board grave guard were a thing you would ever take, they look way better
>>95922381>he doesnt build his army based on what looks coolestngmi
>>95922381If they start giving +1 AV like is rumoured then i would
>>95922353I really have no fucking clue honestly, I wonder how many units one of these things normally does, could be anywhere from like 3k to 20k in my mind
>>95922469I mean they posted a month back that their full year revenue was 560mil pounds (750mil USD). 50mil pounds (67mil USD) of that is licensing revenue (I assume this mostly means games and Warhammer brand stuff they don't make/sell themselves).
That's revenue and to put it in perspective for a battalion box to be equal to 1% of the total company revenue would require 40k sales at $185 each. That's for a full year and world wide mind you. Now most army's probably aren't going to hit 40k sales because people already have the army and don't need a box. but still....
>Point out Empire models were always white and now some are black>anon, its FANTASY european/roman empire/germany. It can have blacks. Its not based in reality >Cathay WHC articles talk about how they wanted to get the IRL Chinese culture accurate>all the models are pale skin and no blacksEvery time.
>>95921655I bought some old 1 piece orcs. You clip from the sprue, clean mold line and youre done. So awesome.
It starts with ONE
1E, I don't know why
It doesn't even matter no points to buy
Keep that in mind, I designed this game
With rules so inane, ALL I KNOW
AoS is a terrible game
Watch it fail now and who's taking the blame
Watch it bankrupt a whole company
Double turns tick away, IT'S SO UNREAL
Didn't look out for TOW
Watch AoS go right out of the window
Trying to hold on, d-didn't even know
I wasted my time just to be REPLACED WITH TOW
Paypigged, every release I'd buy
And even though I tried, it all fell apart
What it meant to me will eventually be
A memory of a time when I played Sigmar
I PLAYED SIGMAR, AND GOT SO FAR
BUT IN THE END IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER
I HAD TO FALL, TO LOSE IT ALL
BUT IN THE END, I JUST PLAYED FANTASY BATTLE
>>95922580I don't know if this is what getting redpilled feels like but the fact they discussed how they consciously went with a deliberate monoracial paint scheme for Cathay was very disconcerting. I thought we weren't doing that anymore?
>>95922381Do GG still have killing blow in TOW?
>>95922664No they have the pussy version.
>>95922629it's problematic and racist and GW should be called out for the double standard.
Why are people on here acting like Kislev is not very obviously the next (and probably final for this edition at least) army to be released for Old World?
>>95922580Painting up an entire Cathay army only using dark skin tones could be a supremely funny move to pull
>>95922723They'll capitulate by adding blacks to all armies
>>95919644Stop tempting me
>>95922580You do realized the Tang Dynasty was pretty cosmopolitan right? They were even employing people to their west like Persians into their army. Their most infamous general An Lushan wasn't even ethnically Han.
>>95921564In the AJ it does mention he wants to undo the changes the Old Ones made the to world, the screencap was posted one or two threads ago. The line isn't lingered on oddly though
