Thread 95916519

It's deadddd lol
>https://evilhat.com/tomb-raider-shadows-of-truth/
>Sad news: we are canceling the Tomb Raider RPG project. >Due to creative differences we couldn’t get our vision to gel with the licensor’s, so we’ve chosen to part ways.
>The stellar team designing this game put their hearts into making this an exciting, dynamic RPG of adventure and exploration.
>We’re proud of the work they’ve done and we plan to retool the project as a standalone game with a fresh, original setting. You haven’t seen the last of it.

Why should I care either way?

>>95916519 (OP)
Excellent news, you love to see it

>>95916527
It's not enough for a bad idea to fail. There must be a metaphorical taking of scalps, and those behind the failure must be thoroughly mocked.
If I could, I'd dig up their grave to piss on the corpse.

>>95916519 (OP)
>licensor be like:
"No fat chicks"

Probably.

>>95916519 (OP)
>evil hat
>the company run by a literal black nationalist

>>95916519 (OP)
I'm glad the IP holder had the good sense to realize that all this faggy bullshit wasn't working for Tomb Raider. I doubt they actually learned their lesson and will go forward thinking long and hard about how they want to present Lara Croft from now on, seeing as they went to the fucking Thirsty Sword Lesbians company to producer their game in the first place, but they had a brief moment of awareness that allowed them to realize that doing this faggy shit again would not pay off and would not help them re-established Tomb Raider as a big name again.

>>95916611
The next Tomb Raider will be a puzzle game in the style of Phantasmagoria.

Fits perfectly with lesbian marriages, even.

>>95916601
Kek. What the fuck, good riddance. This trash will never have tractiom without IP.

>>95916519 (OP)
So we're just going to get a better version of this? The Tomb Raider license is hardly that exciting and its not like it offers some sort of unique hook you can't do without it.

>>95916601
Citation?

>>95916723
I would imagine the selling point of these would be dungeon raiding/dungeon generation mechanics of some sort?

>>95916662
For fuck's sake
Do they not understand what people actually like about Tomb Raider

>>95916723
Oh I KNOW what they moved on to:
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/3255890/Relooted/

>>95916750
Why are you just blindly believing what some anon is saying?

>>95916750
Apparently they want a Lara Croft DEFCON 5 game, where she hammers the button and millions perish.

>>95916519 (OP)
Not enough disabled, black, wheelchair lesbians bought the books? What a shock.

Aw. Poor perpetual snowflake adolescents will now have to fap off to cosplay on the internet instead of to their rpg book. That's a primary reason the internet exists.

Lara Croft could easily be played in any number of existing pulp games from HEX to Broken Compass. Her name on the tin is just an(other failed) attempt at an officially licensed IP cash grab.

>>95916741
>Citation?
Anon's felching out his ass again.
Fred Hicks may publish garbage games and have a receding hairline that makes him look like a Klingon Nationalist, but Anon's grudge fetish about black people is pure anal fetish brought on by too many generations of inbreeding.

>>95916519 (OP)
>>we plan to retool the project as a standalone game with a fresh, original setting. You haven’t seen the last of it.

Tomb Raider vidya setting
>real world but
>zombies, mummies, winged monsters exist
>non-avian dinosaurs ae still alive
>some of our mythology like Excalibur, Atlantis, Kitezh is real
>female Indiana Jones rip off with average to big tits
>British accent
>called Lara Croft

Tomb Raider rpg
>real world but
>zombies, mummies, winged monsters exist
>non-avian dinosaurs ae still alive
>some of our mythology like Excalibur, Atlantis, Kitezh is real
>female Indiana Jones rip off with small tits
>British accent
>called Lara Croft

The only difference from the fresh, original setting is going to be the loss of the name Lara Croft and the British accent. Based on the cover art we'd already lost the big boobs. What have we lost?

>>95917573
They didn't even finish the book, although I'm sure that it was probably another FitD or PbtA pile of shit, because Evil Hat is incapable of making anything else.

>>95916565
Nothing’s more total than an unmarked grave, anon. Don’t forget what they were like in life, but don’t let their ghost haunt you.

>>95918127
From the press releases a year ago
>an innovative interpretation of the Powered by the Apocalypse system

>>95918040
Tomb Raider is not a real setting anyway, the "lore" is an ad hoc footnote for whatever adventure Lara needs at a given moment. This is not a built world you can insert anyone into. If the story is not focused on Lara it might as well not be tomb raider. This whole idea was stupid.

>>95918164
>This is not a built world you can insert anyone into.
YWN play a game with an undead Tube dweller, an Antarctic researcher with too much DNA, an Aussie dinosaur hunter, and an escaped from Area 51's human vivisection labs all investigating scooby doo mysteries.

>>95918159
Not surprised one bit.

>>95916519 (OP)
Cant you just use a system that supports pulp genre play and put em in an ancient ruin/dungeon?

>>95918731
Depends. A proper TR RPG would have good rules for acrobatic traversal, putting together historical clues, and all that. A lot of pulp games I've seen tend to just be a "do whatever" mindset not a "work out the proper solution or perish" mindset.

>>95916565
>>95918147
You niggas are so corny. A shit game that nobody was going to play anyway isn't that dramatic.

>>95920331
Well, there already is a Tomb Raider RPG out there.

>>95916519 (OP)
I swear I remember this being already released. Did they leak a playtest PDF or something, or was I just hallucinating?

>>95921297 (Cont.)
for where to grab this game well...
https://raidingtheglobe.com/news/lara-croft-s-tomb-raiders-tabletop-rpg

>>95916519 (OP)
They got what they fucking deserve

>>95921336
>https://raidingtheglobe.com/news/lara-croft-s-tomb-raiders-tabletop-rpg

I've been mainlining the 90's pulp schlock series Relic Hunter and this might be a worthwhile adaptation engine. Thanks archeologist Anon!

https://youtu.be/aPVgYpHedd8

>>95921336
Hey, nice, this looks pretty good at first glance. Thanks for the upload, anon!

>>95916519 (OP)
Oh no hahahaha so sad pfffff.

>>95921336
Kek. Literally for free and actually trying to simulate and expand on the formula of the videya.

Wasn't there another Tomb Raider game in the work, which was made by an actual competent designer, who was really invested in the setting?
>>95921336
>https://raidingtheglobe.com/news/lara-croft-s-tomb-raiders-tabletop-rpg
Ooooh it's this one, right?

Horse.

>>95916741
NTA but I couldn't find much, other than him being one of those faggots moaning how much he hates Lovecraft and his beliefs while using his IP to profit (Fate of Cthulhu), so he was one of those kinds of losers at the least.

Also, looking at the 'art' they produced for it, I'm not surprised to see that it couldn't find some legs to stand on.

>>95918147
It's more like putting the heads of invaders outside your village, it sends a message.

Like it was ever going to succeed.

>>95928119
Lmao, fuck these people dude holy shit, I do not give a FUCK if in 10,000 years some Tlingit-speaking Neo-Columbian goes digging around the fossilized underground ruins of the Bass Pro fishing shop to steal a bobblehead of Donald Trump out of a display case and doesn't immediately return it to the troglodyte lizard-hunters of Nevada who are all that remains of my people.

That's what this is like. Imagine actually being like this, actually thinking and feeling like this shit matters. It's like the POINT of the whole game is trying to press the idea that enjoying the actual games makes you a bad person. Well if so then I'm an awful person, Laura Croft is HOT, and plundering ancient burial sites is BASED and I'd sooner nuke London twice than give a PHOTO of the Rosetta Stone to Egypt. Fucking cunts!

>>95916519 (OP)
>game that literally nobody but shitposters cared about is cancelled
Yawn

But maybe at least you are going to stop the shitpost, given no actual game to shitpost about

>>95916611
The "IP holder", Embracer Group, quite literally went through every single fucking media format to sell the IP and cash-in their recent acquisition. The reason this project ultimately was cancelled has nothing to do with quality control, anti-woke or even listening to fandom.
It's about money. EHP can't muster the kind of sum Embracer wants for the IP. And they are very strict on that one condition (which is why Netflix negotiated a new deal to not get scalpedon fheir horrendous animated show).
So as much as I'm glad this shitshow got unpkugged, I'm with this franchise since TR2 got announced in early 97 and I have zero illusions how this thing works, while also being in this subject way fucking deeper that dipshits who think this is another front of their idiotic culture war. Fuck off from TRs and Lara, finally. Enougb damage was done already under the Nips

>>95928405
Oh, and one more thing:
They are already making talks with Free League Publishing. So unless FLP ends up unable to get the dosh (highly unlikely), expect some bland and uninspired Year Zero game with "Tomb Rauder(tm)" logo in about a year

>>95928228
>Laura
Nta, but it's Lara, you wanker

>>95918259
You can play Broken Compass any time you have 6d6 set and at least 3 players (the game struggles below 3 PCs)

>>95918164
Eh, depends on continuity.
Core didn't give two fucks, the only glue holding everything together was Lara and before they get into lore and setting that mattered, they lost their own fuckibg IP.
Crystal under Eidos was the closest this franchise was to an actual lore-heavy stuff, as absurd as it sounds. They even managed to retool TR1 into their lore.
Crystal under Squenix is a fucking joke. Despite putting all that effort and claiming that this is a coherebt, interlocked setting, every game was a separate bubble, making them (the games) schizoid as a result
The only time TR had estabkished lore and said lore mattered both for itself and in the bigger picture were the TopCow comics, which by proxy got tangled into overall TopCow verse. And it actually worked, making it extra funny when Lefend was about Excalibur.
But average potential buyer of TR RPG wasn't even born when those were coming out, so go fucking figure.

>>95928119
Hol up, we're going to play a game of archeology here or wat?

>>95928540
Only if done safely.

>>95924921
>>95924946
>>95927131
>>95927578

Another muckin' satisfied customer...

>>95928559
I fail to see what point are you trying to make. That's like baby's first introduction when running for a random/open table with needlesly complex structure. But it is xlear with intent, along with target demo of newfags
You did run for an open table and more than once... right? You realise there is nithing inherently wrong with those pointers... right? You aren't just a clueless shitposter... right?

>>95918259
That's just GURPS.

>>95916519 (OP)
>flat Croft
>obese brown one
Yeah, damn, wonder how they failed to gel their vision with the licensor's.

>>95929711
>he needs the same safety tools as hardcore dungeon sex to play board games with strangers
Spotted the sex pest.

>>95916519 (OP)
>knock off indiana jones with boobies well ran dry
oh no, anyways

>>95928405
You'd think they'd learn their lesson from the 90s that most tie-in TTRPGs lose money.

>>95918127
>>95918159
Skimming a few articles about it, it looks like it was going to be some sort of PbtA hack but with a dice pool instead of the usual 2d6+modifiers against a set TN thing. I haven't bothered to run the calculations on how the math for it would work, but I expect it's not much better than the usual for PbtA, which typically caps the maximum bonus at +3, which gives you less than 60% chance of a plain success without nasty complications. This works great for Apocalypse World, which is about damaged people in a broken world who are liable to get hurt or hurt each other when doing things, but is an odd choice for what people might expect from Tomb Raider, i.e. pulpy heroic temple raiding inspired by the likes of Indiana Jones but taking place closer to the present, where you'd want your characters to be succeeding in their adventures rather than failing and getting injured all the time.

What I'm really not sure of is why they didn't just use one of the many existing systems for that kind of pulp action heroics. Evil Hat's own Fate system is practically built for it, or they could branch out and use Savage Worlds or something. What possessed them to make Tomb Raider a PbtA game?

>>95916519 (OP)
If only for morbid curiosity, I wanna see what they'll show next. Blubberella the RPG would be funny reading material.

>>95930047
>>flat Croft
Hey, flat Croft is beautiful and full of justice! Don't knock it.

>>95932475
They seem to have abandoned Fate. Haven't all their recent games (Monster of the Week, Thirsty Sword Lesbians, Apocalypse Keys) been PbtA? There must be some kind of reason.

>>95933290
FATE requires you to wrap your head around the concept of "aspects" and players need to engage in the creative process of linking them.
PbtA requires less brain power and works better with the D&D approach of not reading the rules.
It also had more successful influencer marketing.

>>95932858
What a terrible thing to say.

>>95916519 (OP)
Probably saw that Lara is barely mentioned or related to game and thought "Fuck these retards"

>>95930492
>He goes for argumentum ad absurdum to cover for lack of actual arguments and points
Every game should by defaul be written as baby's first RPG. If it isn't, then ut requires a hefty chaoter on how to run it and another on how to play it. This seems to be the mix of the two approaches, but still delivers.
Stay mad about rabdom things, mahb you will fish a retard gullible and green enough to be mad with you

>>95932359
Except every single tie in traditional game for the past 15 years was a money-maker, so your argument at best paints (You) as the clueless one

>>95933290
Easier to make, FAR easier, and, more importantly, to market. FATE is about as old as their target demo and has well-entrenched mixed status and reviews. That's marketing poison

>>95933819
>works better with the D&D approach of not reading the rules
I don't know how true that is of DND or others but it gave me a good kek. Thanks anon.

>>95932475
Thanks for the run down anon.

>>95932858
… Artist?

>>95929711
>defending traffic light consent signaling in tabletop gaming
anon the bizarre bdsm safety tools are absolutely not needed for open tables and need to be removed from the hobby. This stuff is pushed by broken, narcissistic people who cannot have normal human interactions, and adopting any of their tools and framing makes everything worse for everyone.

It's also not remotely usable for any kind of open table, so your point is retarded. What, you're gonna have every player sit down and fill out 3 lists of do's and dont's and then expect the gm to take those disparate lists from random strangers into consideration as he runs his kobold keep oneshot?

I've ran games from strangers many times. I had an open table at my schools d&d club and later I would advertise games on my college campus and play with whoever showed. The worst thing that's ever happened was a 16 year old girl freaking out and having to leave the room because I triggered her arachnophobia - but she came back, embarassed, and kept playing after a minute to collect herself.

>>95929711
if you need so much handholding to playpretend you shouldn't be considered a capable adult
and maybe should be either living with a guardian or institutionalized
>inb4 NAZI!!!111
no, I still think you have every other human right and I'm not against playing with you granted everyone at the table is aware and fine with your condition

that being said, it's a special case scenario and normal capable adults [and even teenagers] don't need that shit
it just doesn't have a place in a rulebook
leave it for the hand-out "Hello! I have a rare condition that..." cards... right?

>>95933290
>>95933819
>>95934855
Fate/Fudge dice are also still disproportionately expensive for just being a differently-labeled d6. You can get cheap ones on Alibaba or Amazog, but it's hard to market a game that requires funny dice when an average consumer will find the book at the game store, wander over to the dice section, and find that a set of 12 (that's usually how they're packaged) is like $15, versus a set of D&D polyhedrals being the same price for a special, sparkly version with far more fun-looking shapes. They should probably sell the book packaged with a set of dice and release more complete games using the system which aren't just the core system.

As for a comparison to PbtA, while I'd consider Fate an overall better system, PbtA has the advantage of giving players a set of Moves that more or less do what a similar Aspect would do when invoked, but with the possible outcomes already described for you. I don't care much for it myself, but it's objectively more accessible to a broad audience. Evil Hat could absolutely hack it into a more accessible version with some premade games instead of just selling Fate Core, but they don't seem to be interested in that.

>>95928469
>>95929769
I'm just saying tr3 alone provides fertile ground for non-Lara parties rooted in the world.

>>95916519 (OP)
Good. This was the wokest shit ever to be happening and I'm happy it died before it got released.

I am however sad that the other Tomb Raider RPG, Shadow of The Phoenix, which was the reverse of Shadow of Truth and was done by a former Crystal Dynamics employee was not released.

Honestly, if I wanted to run something Tomb Raidery I'd probably go with Achtung Cthulhu.

>>95942494
Literally ITT
https://raidingtheglobe.com/news/lara-croft-s-tomb-raiders-tabletop-rpg

>>95916519 (OP)
>>95928072


>Double leg traumatic amputees (we'll keep to tramatic amputation so that we exclude diabetes and cardiovascular disease, though I wouldn't put past them to want to be THAT inclusive, considering her bulk) : est. 6.4 million worldwide
>Below the knees on both legs : est. 4.7 millions
>can receive carbon blades prosthetics:1.4 millions
>who play archery as a regular hobby (3% of population): 42.000
>in the upper 5% since you'd need to be pretty damn good to pull that off in combat : 2100
>Who are female, roughly 33% according to the ATA : 700
>Who are very obviously color-coded for LGBT-something, let's say 5% of populaton if we're generous: 35

When you try to appeal to the broader audience by targetting the smallest audience

>>95942751
That's not the principle though. All a character like this says is "people who are different can be characters here" and that includes literally everyone because everyone is different to their neighbour somehow.
Compare to the shortest of 00s off white space marine game protagonists who signified to the audience "only quarterbacks get to fuck prom queens."

>>95942751
It's no different from a superhero game at that point.

>>95942340
>Tomb Raider 3 provides fertile ground for non-Lara parties rooted in the world
What are you referring to? I haven't played the game.

>>95942846
>Compare to the shortest of 00s off white space marine game protagonists who signified to the audience "only quarterbacks get to fuck prom queens."
Well, that has the advantage of being true, though. It also looks good.

>>95942864
The characters I referred to are basically all types of people Lara meets in that one game, who would make interesting player characters. Someone up thread said there was no fertile ground in the setting outside Lara. I disagree: most of the games have at least some lore which would make interesting hooks for player characters or adventures. Most of the sites, organisations and supernatural occurrences would be fun to revisit, so the IP makes sense to revisit. And then you still have loads of room to get original on top of that.

>>95942903
t. Proud Boy

>>95942916
>t. Rigglypuff

At least learn to use greentext properly, tourist.

>>95921336
This is really cool. Thanks, anon.

>>95916519 (OP)
>https://evilhat.com
>Girl by Moonlight
>Thirsty Swords Lesbians
Why are they so passionate about making games full of ugly people and shitting over others' franchises?

>>95924921
Nice guns

>>95935005
Blasphemer.
>https://rule34hentai.net/post/list/Lara_Croft/1

>>95942751
Nice stats breakdown. I doubt any of the idiots at Evil Hat did this kind of 1-hour market analysis.

>>95916519 (OP)
So the licensor was too woke and didn't like the idea of a woman with big tits being featured in their book.

>>95945120
Yes. They didn't want to admit that the primary appeal of Lara is big tits.

>>95942751
obviously elves in fantasy ttrpgs appealing to the roughly 0% of people that are elves
ffs, you can simply dislike this colour by numbers boxticking cloned crap without being a pseud retard about it

>>95945120
>>95945182
>didn't like the idea of a woman with big tits being featured in their book
So sorry to learn that both of you have lost your eyesight. Let me help you so your text to speech can read it to you. In the cover of the cancelled rpg shown in the original post to which one of you replied, Croft looks like she'd take around 34B bra. 34B is not "big tits".
For comparison, in the latest computer game released by the licensor about 4 months ago Croft's bra size looks to be about 34DDD.
You're welcome.

>>95920331
What about the Masterbook (AKA Torg) Indiana Jones game?

>>95924921
Too bad we never got a Relic Hunter/Sheena/VIP/Black Scorpion shared universe.

>>95948372
Masterbook sucks enormous dick but the D6 adaptation is good. Even so, it lacks that sort of mini game for movement that games have for combat, which a TR game would need. You spend a lot more time jumping between ledges than shooting enemies.

>>95948372
>Masterbook (AKA Torg)
Masterbook is based on Torg amd if you know Torg you'll pick up MB in no time but it's not aka Torg. The most obvious difference is that Torg is 1d20 and MB is 2d10 but that's just the first of many changes that firmly locks MB characters into the realm of the nonheroic. Nonheroic is exactly the opposite of what you want for a guy like Indiana Jones. For a game that WEG bought so many licences for it's a shame that they didn't do something better with it.

>>95916519 (OP)
*taps sign*

>>95935025
Even the people and companies who champion "safety tools" and even print shit about them in their official books struggle to integrate them or even talk about them naturally. It's a thing they value in concept, but struggle with in execution to the point that they end up forgetting or ignoring their own "safety" bullshit entirely.

>>95933290
>Haven't all their recent games (Monster of the Week, Thirsty Sword Lesbians, Apocalypse Keys) been PbtA?
That or FitD, which is the bastard child of PbtA games, but with more clocks.

>>95946550
But in the internal logic of said fantasy world, being an elf is not stretching credulity

Even in the not so rare trope of you're the one-in-a-billion Chosen One, it does not stretch credulity if being the Chosen One is the prerequisite to have said adventure

To me both are quite different from the absurdity of these sort of example of extreme inclusivity we've seen popping up everywhere these past few years.

>>95949393
mucho texto
Remember when we used to make fun of leftists for shit like this? You can't cut this down to one or two sentences?

>>95951554
If being white is so great why are you such a fucking pussy about it? Go raid a tomb you big baby.

>>95951554
>But in the internal logic of said fantasy world, being an elf is not stretching credulity
and by the internal logic of real life, it's not stretching credulity that someone might know or relate to at least one of the traits of that cripple archer nigger female queer.

>>95958902
It's a screencap of post.

>>95959102
It's a meme where a screencap of a long ass post was inserted where the pithy two-to-three sentence punchline is supposed to go

>>95943761
they're activists, outside of the Fate system, this is the BS they've been up to.

Also a part of Forge Group. A bunch of lugs who believe players can't roleplay and has limits on how much people can roleplay, thus have illusions of actual choice in their designs.

This from a 3-hour long video about Root RPG... I have no idea why it lead up to that...

>>95943761
Because they hate you and want to spite you specifically
I ain't even kidding

>>95916565
Why do you let this game that doesn't even exist define your being?

>>95916565
>>95921464
Based.


>>95918147
>>95921175
Cringe.

>>95933819
I've been a few groups who tried out FATE and actually aspects weren't really that hard to understand. Usually the reason it feel apart was a combo of the following:
>because of the system math, having a higher skill rank is so much better than having a lower one that most players really went out of their way to use their one highest skill or the two under that and basically avoid the rest as much as possible
>rules that are cumbersome and wordy for what ultimately results in a simple game pattern (create temp aspects when you can, then spend them to do big dick hits)
>the rules for adding new skills like magic are not idiot proofed enough for newer GMs so you'll end up with a skill like "Fire Magic" that can do basically fucking anything with minimal mental leaps
Say what you will about PbtA but at least it operates pretty cleanly and usually you have some sort of exp or meta currency reason for you to do something that's not 100% optimal.
>>95943761
I was willing to at least give Girls by Moonlight a read but dear lord they probably mention Steven Universe twice as much as say Sailor Moon or Madoka. Not that those should be anyone's only references for magical girls, but having SU being one of your basic reference pillars is tragic.

>>95968697
Because it is not enough for my enemies to be defeated, they must be shamed.

>>95943761
>Why a company run by activists and has activism as part of its founding principles is performing activism?
Gee, I wonder what could be the reason...

>>95935025
Ask me how I know you are utterly clueless about BDSM safety tools.
Like why are you animals always trying to discredid something with sexual references each and every time? It's fucking 2025, not 1925, we are past not one, but three sexual revolutions. Nobody gives a fuck if you try to pretend something comes from BDSM circles, is gay or aiming for lesbian demographic.
Except, well, you, which makes it only weirder.

And the point still stands:
It's baby's first introduction when running for a random/open table.
Which you aren't addressing in any fucking way, just shouting at clouds that how could they put BDSM stuff in their game.

Also: just hire a prostitute and get laid already, so you will stop having those idealised images of what sex is like.

>>95936136
Exactly how stupid/zoomer/yes one needs be to even buy FATE dice in the first place? It's literally d6 that can be replaced with the most regular d6.

>>95977215
if the gays/trannies were at least cute, the rest of the propaganda would be more tolerable.

>>95977237
honestly? I think it still feels nicer to see the dice as + and have it mean + than to see 5 or 6 and call it +, and regular d6s painted to become fudge dice look dumb.
that said, I made my fudge die through laser cutting with leftover materials from a different project, so no reason to buy them either.

>>95928559
Still pretty fucked up to me that everyone just started sliding in a system previously only used to display at orgies if you wanted to be pissed on or not.

>>95977270
>I am zoomer, please euthanize me, for my parents couldn't

Man, I am so glad this horrible game is dead. More horrible games like this should die and be forgotten, along with their activist baizuo writers and bankrupt companies.

HOORAY! DIE, EVIL RATS, DIE!

>>95986621
>He said, while bumping a dead thread that's the only reason anyone even knows the game project existed in the first place
1819+206 and you still didn't learn

least I'm happy to show people a slightly better (and actually finished, kinda) game.

the one in this post:
>>95921336

>>95981166
imagine getting triggered by people's dice preferences lmao

>>95989047
Imagine buying d6 with + instead of 5 and 6 and - for 1 and 2, because you were groomed to be a perfect consumer. Then you project on others that they are triggered, rather than figuring out how fucked up you are