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>Check out here for useful links and a catalogue of relevant miniatures retailers:
https://pastebin.com/nnNqqFLn

That is a incredibly greasy upscale. Shameful display.
Respect the artists by not ruining their fuzzy old low res mimeographed art with AI upscaled smear and sharpen bullshit.

Here is art from Combat 3000 by Tony Yates, presented as drawn by the artist.

>>95921768
saving it for later. thank you

Hello lads

Hope everyone is well, I've been a bit busy with foreign travel and gigs and the bloody heat recently.

>>95921293 (OP)
Does anyone have scans of the old specialist games mags for each of the seperate games? Like the necro mag or the warmaster one?

>>95925561
I'm interested in this too. Particularly looking for Necromunda and Inquisitor. I have all of Battlefleet Gothic and Epic, if you're interested in those.

Can i use any non primaris transfer sheet for my old 2nd edition miniatures or are those transfers too big to fit properly on the miniature?

>>95926452
Even regular primaris ones should fit, since the shoulder pads were kept the same size.

>>95925561
>>95925842
This should have at least a few of the separate specialist games mags, enjoy anons. Usual methods as always. ;^)

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>>95921293 (OP)
Does anyone happen to know if there's a big scanned collection of the Combat Cards? I was hoping to look through them

Get in. Wanted a copy for ages but not for too much money.

>>95927336
Thanks anon, appreciate you, but this is almost entirely Fantasy adjacent stuff and I'm mostly lacking the 40k stuff. If you come across any of that let me know.

So how's everyone's projects coming along? I've gotten some shoulder mounted autocannons for my Iron Snakes printed off by a friend of mine, as well as some scaling samples of some Praetorian Guard figures(sergeant failed to print fully, so he's gonna get chopped up and turned into a tank commander instead). I'm going to make a mixed regimental force for 3rd/4th edition 40k, and it'll be a mix of Praetorian's and Steel Legion, the infantry and weapon teams are going to be scaled down to around 25mm. Why you might ask? Because I wanted them to be better scaled against my space marines. If I ever get around to owning a printer myself this is how I'll be going for my 40k projects from now on.

Over the years I've come to find myself being annoyed at how inconsistent figure scale is in the GW ranges, but with 3d printing? This can be corrected if you're anal retentive enough to be bothered by it in the first place. :^)

>>95934077

I've stalled. I'm not waving I'm drowning. British summer weather and not having any goals as I'm missing BOYL doesn't help.

>>95934077
Got a bunch of used minis and stripping them along with my 4th army to repaint them less shit.
Also got a new devastator and tactical squad to get special and heavy weapons for my squads because I leaned way too hard into true grit.

>>95944893
4th as in 4th edition, not that I had 3 armies prior.

I have this little area on the foot of my painting lamps to take Fotos.

>>95949917

>>95945172
Nemesis Force Halberd Grey Knights were just so amazing to me back in the day, I seem to remember they had some ridiculous stats.

>>95921293 (OP)
Is 4th edition grog?

I have taken an interest in the threads about the 4th edition battle bible project and there has been some talk about including some DIY hobby focused pages in the DIY project.
I'm feeling the strongest urge to go full DIY-Tard here in making some close enough looking washes out of inks because I found out about a wash recipe that looked pretty good to me: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/261541.page
And the distilled water comes in 4 liters so by the Emperor I have to put that gallon to use.

And what did the paint pots during the early 2000s look like?

Hopefully from there I can find pics of what they looked like when dried over white base coated miniatures.

At a recent lgs swap i found multiple i think 3rd or 4th edition codices for 15$ total: csm, space marines (with the crimson fists), tau and tyranids (behemoth one). They have to be some of the most kino and satisfying pieces of game material i’ve ever read. They are satisfying on so many levels and the csm one was just a feast for the senses in every single way. I was in awe of them, they were a pleasure to read. They felt almost like classic zines or something. Even as an oldfag i felt like a kid. Grognards, i kneel……

>>95951732
>4th edition's grog-status
Is an ongoing mildly contentious thing, but pretty much everyone here has agreed that if you want to play Midhammer it's the way to go. The Battle Bible thread is an offshoot of this one.
>what did the paint pots during the early 2000s look like?
The screw-top "bolter shell" pots

>>95952694
>The screw-top "bolter shell" pots
Thanks! Now I have to find a pic of what the contents looked like over white primed miniatures.
Thank you again anon!

>>95952694
regarding that conversion, the space marine scout heavy bolter is a near exact fit (and vice versa for multi-melta-ing up a scout) if I remember right.

Trying to brainstorm a homebrew Lost & the Damned Codex to make it stronger and bring back more of that "Hordes of Chaos IN SPACE" vibe that the original Chaos Cult and Daemon World armies had, and there's two things I could use opinions on right away, /grog/:

Firstly, it seems natural to me that Daemonworlders should be a cut above the usual Chaos worshipping chaff. But what's the best way to handle them? As a distinct unit in their own right? Or as an upgrade for multiple potential units, so you can spend the points to represent an army completely founded on a Daemon World?

Secondly, I want to create either an upgrade or a full HQ unit to represent the special souls where being possessed by a daemon isn't an automatic death sentence, inspired by the old Daemon Crossbreed reward, the Exalted Daemonhost of 6e Warhammer Fantasy, and Ax'Senaea the Thrice Possessed. Is "Half-Daemon" a viable name for such a unit?

>>95949813
That's a nice little idea mate

I want to make one myself like 8" square, floor and back wall

I caused both the Fourk and then the current 4th battle bible threads and then couldn't be arsed to contribute to either lel

>>95952935
>regarding that conversion, the space marine scout heavy bolter is a near exact fit (and vice versa for multi-melta-ing up a scout) if I remember right.
So back when the Sisters were all-metal, the Heavy Weapon packs were two random guns. Multimeltas sucked ASS in 3e and weren't much better in 4th. So the packs with MMs in the blister tended to just get left on shelves long after everyone had snapped up all the flamers and bolters, often got discounted, and I wound up horse-trading a couple bolter sisters or a quick converted Sister Superior for multimeltas multiple times. Moreover, the MM Sister was the only Heavy with a sallet, and one of the small handful of helmeted Sisters in metal. Since I used the helmets to designate Celestians, and the heavy weapon sisters were the easiest to convert to more Superiors, it was easier and cheaper to chop the MM sisters than sculpt gloves onto the Scouts and use a weapon that looked a lot wronger with the other guns. Make sense?
Pic heavily-related on the Superior conversions

>>95953151
No you didn’t, the fourk creator is pretty remorseful of his creation and has expressed it before.
Still the battle bible looks like it actually has someone at the helm that knows what he is doing so chances are fourk flopped so battle bible could fly. I hope that will be the case.
I can’t contribute shit because I’m low iq so I can only watch and hope.

>>95925842
I'd like both the BFG and Epic stuff.

>>95956031
>only eleven were made
For purely academic reasons, do we know who got them?

>>95956547

I think there's more like 500 out there now. They made them available a couple of times from Mail Order, both in the UK and US, after the initial run.

This turned up wahey

>>95958336
And here's that fucking page!

Apparently I'm lucky, this Ork Codex got 3 reprints with very small corrections I believe, and it's only the 3rd and final revision that got the Weapons Summary in the back.

>>95956739
Yet not a single recast anywhere, finding one has been my moby dick ever since I saw one. My dad has one of those resin thunderhawks from golden demon, still in box. No recast of that either anywhere.

Sup /grog/ finished my warboss

>>95958827
Based
He's ready to crump and blast
Amazing job on the checkerboards too like damn

>>95958827
Absolutely lovely lad, really nice

>>95952993
Tentative unit list, not including Daemons and Traitor Imperial Vehicles.

HQ:
* Demagogue - A "dark archpriest" flavored character. Provides buffs, some based on which Mark of Chaos they bear.
* Sorcerer-King - Psyker character.
* Renegade Champion - The martial-focused champion.
* Half-Daemon - Inspired by the old Daemon Crossbreed reward, the Exalted Daemonhost of Warhammer Fantasy 6e, and Ax'seana the Thrice-Possessed; a Chaos Champion who has fused with a daemon rather than merely becoming its vessel. Maybe works better as an upgrade than an independent character.
* Heretek Archmagos - Cyborg mad scientist with warp-powered unholy devices.

Elites:
* Blessed Ones - Mortal worshippers of Chaos who have been imbued with supernatural strength, speed and durability through the favor of the Dark Gods. (Chosen?) Chaos Warriors in 40K, basically.
* Great Mutants - Bigger, stronger, tougher, nastier versions of the Mutant unit. Minotaurs, Ogres, Trolls, etc.
* Witch Cabal - A conclave of heretical psykers and sorcerers, working as a unit to collectively work warpcraft with greater power/safety than they could alone.
* Death Cultist - Assassin-champions who regard the act of murder as a holy sacrament. Based on the old Witch Hunters Death Cultist unit. Can be built with either a melee or a ranged focus.

Troops:
* Heretics - The backbone of the Lost & the Damned. Highly customizable with gear and skills, so you can build units to represent everything from frenzied cultists hopped up on faith (and combat stimms) outfitted with martyr collars to hardened professional warriors who were raised on the nightmarish Daemon Worlds.
* Mutants - Physically customizable, and that's before you add a Mark of Chaos. Not sure if Beastmen should be folded into these guys or not.
* Chaos Zombies - Representing everything from the iconic poxwalkers of Nurgle to mind-blasted chem-thralls of Slaanesh, these are cheap chaff meant to drown the enemy in bodies.

1/2

>>95959052
Fast Attack:
* Fleet Mutants - Mutants on mutant steeds, centaurs, or other mutants whose altered anatomies make them incredibly swift on the battlefield.
* Iron Riders - Heretics on bikes, buggies or other weaponized civilian vehicles. Full Mad Max here.
* Saboteurs - Heretics/Mutants with the ability to infiltrate, armed with sniper rifles and/or explosives.

Heavy Support
* Daemon Engines
* Chaotic Battle Beast
* Heretic Tankbusters
* Mutant Hulks
* Corrupted Combat Servitors
* Death-Masque? This is a monster from the Black Crusade RPG; a Chaos Spawn with cybernetic brain implants that allow it to be controlled from afar like a servitor, and even manipulate its fluid anatomy to its master's will.

2/2

>>95958953
>>95958956
Thanks guys

>>95959214
Oh, you're the guy who also painted these?
Yea all of your work looks amazing man, 10/10 honestly

>>95959052
>>95959062
Should add stuff like Discipline Masters (Commissars), Ogryns, etc.
Another thing you could do, although it would require extra work, would be to have some of these units have different profiles for different beings. So you get a "standard" stat-line for anything Humanish, then a different one for Beastmen then another for Squats then maybe even one for Daemon Worlders.

>>95959692
You're too kind. Happy you like them.

>>95958341
Nice! Can you also provide a clean pic if the inside back cover with the map there next to it?

Good morning lads

>>95970431
Very cool. I need to find some more RT orks.

>>95970957
I found a bag of them at a car boot sale for 50p lel. Just happened to spot it

Some sad news. RIP Tim Pollard. He lived a full life around Nottingham.

https://realmofchaos80s.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-armadillo-in-space-interview-with.html

Also a video about him if you add Facebook to the start
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>>95970977
Nice! Also really jealous. There is a lot of secondhand warhammer in my country but RT/2nd ed stuff is quite rare.

>>95971184
RIP man. At least he's with his wife now.

>>95921768
Based.

>>95971184
F

you guys thing gargoyle from heroquest would work as bloodthirster for 5th ed. fantasy battle?

>>95979272
I think someone compared the sizes in a previous thread, and HQ bloodthirster isn't quite big enough.

>>95951770
We tried to tell you. I recently reread some of them myself and was surprised at how much they held up, I thought it was at least partly nostalgia but no, the art and lore in those older books really was on another level.

>>95951770
>>95979868

Especially considering how thin the 3rd and 4th codexes are to 2nd and then the current tomes that get invalidated immediately.

There's so much punch in these books

>>95980472
Any chance you could ever scan some of those for the archivists here? There are some pretty shitty scans in the torrent/troves of stuff like Gorkamorka and so forth, could do with high quality replacements.

>>95979532
Yes.
>>95979272
And no.

Back to this thread after a while as I had some other projects on hand and didn't have oldhammer things on my workbench. But got some on so popped in to check.

You ladz still sharing archive of "Spare parts" around? If so I can throw in my old one here: [spoilers]YUhSMGNITTZMeTkzZDNjdWJXVmthV0ZtYVhKbExtTnZiUzltYjJ4a1pYSXZOM0YwZURRNGJIWnVaRGRvYWk5dmJHUm9ZVzF0WlhJPQ==[/spoilers]

Back to this thread after a while as I had some other projects on hand and didn't have oldhammer things on my workbench. But got some on so popped in to check.

You ladz still sharing archive of "Spare parts" around? If so I can throw in my old one here: YUhSMGNITTZMeTkzZDNjdWJXVmthV0ZtYVhKbExtTnZiUzltYjJ4a1pYSXZOM0YwZURRNGJIWnVaRGRvYWk5dmJHUm9ZVzF0WlhJPQ==

Some Shields by some other Anon.

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>>95982553
shid
Thanks anyway.

https://youtu.be/I2Gmd30fNzY

Comfy.. not my video

It's too.hot to paint

Are any of you playing 2021 or 2024 of kill team? Why not?

>>95986548
Simply could not be arsed with that kind of stuff. If I want to play a skirmish game it's old Necromunda for me.

https://port-imperiale.blogspot.com/2025/06/is-this-worlds-most-expensive-ork.html

Wew that's some rare old lead getting hacked up

>>95986548
I do with '21 and I think it's nice. For all the shit I give NuGW, KT21 was a genuinely decent game. Not as good as Necromunda (new or old), but still decent.

>>95979272
>>95979532
>>95982553

I don't remember 5th edition Fantasy using "true line of sight", stick it on the correct size base and you're fine.
Small man syndrome going to make it frenzy even harder.

>>95990890
Okay I checked and it uses a mixture, suggesting models eye view but says "be prepared to use your own judgement" and "remember you must be reasonable about this" in addition to the area terrain of woodlands (only being able to see 2" into woods) and hills, large rocks and buildings blocking LOS.

Primaris marines in 2nd edition?

>>95990967
Not for me lad. Same with people using them in Badab recreations.

Modern minis and armies using 2nd edition rules?

>>95990967
If the bases are the correct size and it's not some photoshoot thing then sure whatever, use little cardboard cutouts if you want.

>>95991040
You won't get executed for it. But there is a difference between say, using 6th edition Space Marines in your 2nd Edition game, and back-porting Primaris or whatever other new units.

The Oldhammer movement is very... woolly. You could play a Rogue Trader "Battle at the Farm" scenario with modern miniatures. You could play Renegade Scout, a modern ruleset, with a mix of old lead miniatures and modern "retro" 3D printed miniatures.

It's about what you and others get out of it. It's about your hobby and your social contract to your Oldhammer community.
>>95991043
Early 40k has no real concept of "correct base sizes" or even bases being necessary, past some hazy tournament rulings about using the bases originally supplied with the miniature. You just see people's Dreadnoughts rawdogging the table. Yuck.

>>95991040
Sure why not.

2nd edition isn't a unmodifiable timecapsule or some refined hard core of purity; hell it's a mess. That's a big part of the charm, the kind of sexy mess that it is. The kind of crazy you can't help but want to stick a vortex grenade into.
But it's a game that was meant to be played with and built upon by designers that were creatives. So yeah, add to it. Use Citadel Journal army lists. Use those extra datafaxes that people have made for stuff. Make your own. Houserule some shit. Break something. Fix something. Get called a cunt by some grognard for having the gall to call out the shit bits of the system they tied their identity to as a child. Have a laugh.

>>95991126
The words you speak are ALIEN to the modern gamer, anon. They are heresy.

"You can just, like, make shit up. It's a game."

these words are FOREIGN to the modern gamer. He cannot fathom them. "But what if my balance? My FAQs? My competitive scene? Why change what is sacred? Only the great Gee Dubya may make any changes, additions or wholesale revisions to the hallowed game."

It is religion. Be careful of consequences of shattering such a worldview, for you invite fun and creativity into the minds of those who exist only to consume. It may break their minds.

>>95991089
This made me have a dig through the old rulebooks looking for base size stuff cause I was sure I remembered them being mentioned.

3rd Edition Fantasy says "Models specifically intended for this game are supplied with the correct size base." Then carried over from 2nd edition each unit entry also says what base size each model should have so you can get it right if you buy a mini from somewhere else .

For Rogue Trader it just said "Most Citadel models are now sold with a separate plastic base of the correct dimensions for use with this game...As most combat takes place at a distance, and hand-to-hand combat is of only secondary significance, the actual dimensions of the base are not critical. A base should allow a model enough room to move and fight, without being so large that it looks ridiculous. The actual shape of the base itself is not important - and you can employ any round, hexagonal, or square bases available from Citadel."

This was still when you were recommended to have a Gamesmaster though, someone who could sort things out if a player was trying to gain an advantage from having a certain type of base, or no base.

Seems by 4th edition Fantasy, and into 2nd edition 40k not only was the Gamesmaster gone but anything in the rulebook about base sizes too.

>>95990625
This upsets me

>>95991403
>imagine thinking this describes modern gamers
>imagine thinking that and posting it on a grog thread on /tg/

>>95991040
Don't do this, it creates mustard gas

Is black market miniatures legit? I'm looking for a noise marine with doom siren and ebay prices are ridiculous.

>>95983834
>>95983842
Yooo, thanks man! I always love some good shield freehands, it's great inspiration for my own dwarven shields

Not grog per se, but repayment for the shield pics for earlier

>>95991701
I liked the "as appropriate" in 3rd fantasy on basing some monsters. They knew it was absurd stating a giant or dragon must fit a certain base size.

>>95990967
If you fancy getting hit with a dreadsock, sure.

>>95999953
Looks very groggy to me lad

>>95991403
>watch out for straw men!
Oh fuck off. I'm sure such faggots exist, but I doubt they're common and they aren't going to be posting in /grog/. So untwist your panties and stop trying to get into a fight with someone that is at best not here and more likely imaginary.

>>96000009
I just noticed the Giants are actually, presumably incorrectly, only listed as 40x40mm base despite the Physique section saying small Giants are 12ft but they can be as large as 25ft tall.

Most of the other big creatures (Griffons, Greater Demons, Giant Spiders, etc.) have "40x40mm or as appropriate for model" then the three properly big ones, Dragon, Wyvern and Mammoth just have "As appropriate for the model."

The next entry after the Giant is wrong for sure. Minotaurs described as "at least ten feet tall and can be almost as broad" base size 25x25mm. Followed by the Ogre entry which says "stand over ten feet tall and are almost as broad" correctly having base size 40x40mm.

>>95999930
Yes, he's legit. Shipping might be a pain because of their location and their stupid bank.

>>96003555
>trips
I will trust your advice, thanks.

Eyup lads

What if I just picked out a single old metal miniature and painted it this evening instead of doing fuck all. That would be nice.

>>96001824
Yeah. I didn't realize how many errors there are. Another one is probably bears 25x25mm bases. They cause fear in anything under 10ft tall yet are supposed to fit on the same size base as an orc. Maybe, if you want them all stood upright.

A bunch of the photos of battles in the book show minotaurs mounted on 40mm bases, and converted giants based as appropriate.

>>96005752
Very smart use of one of the 60mm Fighting Fantasy plastics GW made.

Apparently the plastic is like the worst ever possible, paint doesn't even stick to it. They're the kind of thing that's £30+ on Ebay when someone knows what they are, but if you get lucky you might get one for pennies at a second-hand sale

>>96005781
I want some of the ogres for my collection but screw paying ebay prices. Particularly as the plastic is supposed to be legendarily shyte.

>>96005905
Indeed, it's the kind of thing I want, but I probably have 5 or 6 Reaper Bones giants sat unpainted in a box somewhere that would fill a similar niche.

>Diehardminiatures' Abaddon chaos abomination miniature still out of stock
Come on restock it reeeee.
I like the oldhammer look of it so much and it looks fun to paint.

BigMrTong making more "Denizens from the Pages" of Rogue Trader

Very cool

Painted these up this week.

>>96017315
The plan was to run this as my 1500

>>96017325
But then I drove an hour up to play 3rd ed and realised if ld grabbed the wrong case and had no tanks. So I ran this instead.

>>96017345
But i managed a lovely close game of recon against a very pretty ork army

>>96017351
I also completely forgot to take photos, but it was a flawless Eldar victory, and by flawless I mean I won by 100pts only because turn 6 a farseer opened up an ork dread in combat.

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>>96017351
Lovely stuff lad

As an aside, what's like the kit history of Eldar tanks?

Falcon in plastic, Wave Serpent in Forge World resin then eventually plastic like 2005.

It's actually quite a blind spot in my memory as I've never really cared for Space Elves. Falcon is like a Rhino and Serpent is a Razorback right? Fire Prism used to have awful metal parts

>>96017791
Falcon in 97 alongside a metal weapon option for the fireprism.
White dwarf article on how to make a waveserpent about then too.
That FW serpent early 2000s but I'm not certain the year. The fw nightspinner was 2001 and the FW falcon was 2006.
Plastic waverpent with the long fins is from 2005.
Current Fire prism/night spinner is 2010

But yeah its not unlikely you'll see a falcon built form the "new" kit that is pretty much identical to the one I bought 28 years ago.

They aged well, fuck the vyper kit though those thin little side fins always snaped.

>>96017791
>history of Eldar tanks?

all hail plastic spoons

>>96018233
I'm actually more clued up about the Armorcast era

I'm helping

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>>96020065
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>>96020081
>>96020086
Blessed Imagery

>>96020065
I love the colors. So bright and vibrant! What are you painting with?

>>96022427
Water based art pens. Whatever brand, I mix and match to find colors I like.

>go to lgs
>tell store owner that, as an experiment, I would be interested in a 2e event, I'll even help organize it for him
>outline all the traffic this might bring to the store from both the local garage grogs and intrigued new players, even if it only works once
>he says "ehhh, we only support the latest games workshop releases. Sorry"

what the fuck?

Give me 10 reasons why 2nd ed 40k is better than 10th.

>>96024755
1. Feels like a wargame, not a soulless abstracted chinese video game in analogue form.

2. Lots of wargear customization.

3. Sensible terrain rules, you don't need fucking L-shaped ruin tournament boards to play.

4. Fun and exciting things can happen, like vehicles flipping over and crushing guys underneath, or teleporting people getting possessed by daemons.

5. Missions are smooth and simple to understand and don't eat up 60% of cognitive focus during play so you can focus on actually enjoying the game instead of calculating VPs and doing gay action-monkey shit on ugly e-sports circles.

6. Cinematic melee combat rules where you can almost feel the ducking and weaving with the way opposed dice and parries and everything work.

7. Psychic powers actually have their own phase and do really cool shit instead of just being a lame gun with an extra keyword.

8. Armies are not oversized, no super-heavies clogging up the board.

9. Doesn't use the retarded condensed S/T wounding table.

10. Actual psychology rules, not the fucking worthless travesty that is "battleshock".
There are a bunch of flaws with 2nd too, but they can be avoided and played around by just not playing with powergaming WAACfaggots, banning a couple of strategy/wargear cards and named characters, and keeping games to a size of around 1250 points or below. Also some of the things that make it great listed above also apply to other old editions like 3rd and 4th, which also solved some of the problems with 2nd. But yeah between that and 10th it's a no-brainer. 10th is possibly the worst edition of the game of all time.

>>96024857
1. But it's British, and balanced.
2. But that's not balanced.
3. But that's not balanced.
4. But that's not balanced.
5. But e-sports are balanced
6. But that's not balanced
7. But that's not balanced
8. But big armies are good.
9. But that's not balanced.
10. But that's not balanced

10th edition is chess, but for far more intelligent people. 2nd edition is larping.

>>96024857
>named characters
Always the wrong choice in a point-buy system
>wargear cards
Which ones, out of curiosity?

>>96024894
Gotta be less obvious if you're just going to post bait.

I'm starting up a new Undead army based on a couple of vintage boxed sets: the Skeleton Army and the Skeletal Warmachines. The plan is to work through both sets and then we'll see what comes after.

>>96024175
Holy shit
I am sad for your loss man

>>96025097
Great terrain and skellingtons anon

>>96025097
>>96028082
Cheers! They're joined by a first rider, soon to be followed by more. And then some funky shields at some point...

speaking of terrain, anyone got ideas to make some nice high quality wargame mats? I dont wanna buy one, and I want it to look like pre-2018 white dwarf articles.
I see on line lots of people using either felt sheets, or cotton canvas with paint-caulk mix slimed on. I would prefer to use the latter method, but I dont really have a lot of room where I live.

>>96033991
I've done all three ("three?", you say.)
First off I've made two of the caulk mats, and another guy in /wip/ has made a couple as well. You need a stretching frame or very large table, clamps, quite a bit of time, an apron to keep your clothes from getting destroyed, and a tarp to stick under the canvas while you put the caulk in it (otherwise it's going to glue itself to the table. Ask me how I know). Overall a 4x6 mat is gonna cost about $40-70 depending on how cheap you can get the canvas and the caulk. I've experimented with flocking the mat, you really have to mix the caulk with paint to get your final color and then mash the flock in while you work or it's just going to roll off when you're done. You can also roll in stone textures and such while it's drying
Felt kinda looks like crap, but it's extremely cheap and comes in six-foot-wide bolts. It's also very easy to get one pack each in grey, tan, green, and blue to use for different terrain sets. They make a "heathered" felt that has multiple fiber colors in it that helps sell it a little better. Felt is extremely cheap, mid-weight, and very easy to store - you can iron creases out. It doesn't shed, either. If you base your models with felt on the bottom like I do, then unfortunately they can wind up sticking to the table a bit. Felt also wears pretty poorly after a few years, it stretches and gets caught on the edges of things. Then again it's easy as hell to replace. Also, you can cut easy roads and rivers out of spare felt
The last option, and the most old-school, is a flocked model railroad mat. They'll run you about $50-70 for a 4x6 and you might have to stitch a couple together. They're extremely light, they roll up well, and a lot of people like the look. Problem is they shed a bit (you can mist dilute PVA on top to help combat that) and they crease like a bastard if you look at them funny. If you want that 1990s White Dwarf look, though, this is the way to go.

>>96037602
Nice infodump. BTW, if you're not gonna paint the sides of that road (they're pretty glaring), it might be a good idea to stipple some sandy colored paint onto the sides, the sand's gonna get blown in anyway and this way they won't show as much.

>>96038237
yeah, that's a WiP shot. The biggest white bits are actually the backing paper, they're made from self-adhesive vinyl floor tiles. The sides have since gotten built up with a little texture paste and painted. I ran into a secondary problem - the pieces are flexing in hot weather - and I'm considering remounting them on thin plasticard to stiffen them up a little.

>>96041568
>the pieces are flexing in hot weather
Have you tried painting the bottom? This should make them warp more evenly.

>>96042091
Eh, they're a thin hard layer of material on top of a rubbery backing, I'm assuming that's really what did it.

I need to paint like one dude or dudette

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

im doing my chaos as red corsairs

>>96049674
They look nice anon. Wish I could play against proper good looking chaos army, I don't have one myself except for bunch of berzerkers and bloodthirster

>>96049997
Hopefully a proper free virtual tabletop for oldhammer gets made. battletech has a few so i imagine it will just be a matter of time then we can game

>>96053158
Resources for 40k 2nd ed can be found for Tabletop Simulator on Steam. I didn't manage to rope anyone to join me since I mostly play with my neighbours so we don't have use for such but having played Space Hulk and Space Crusade on it I think it might work, especially with the small scale of 2nd edition.

>>96045233
those aren't even that well painted. It's more of a sculpting/conversion and colours choice.

Hello lads

It's too hot isn't it. too got for grog.

anyone have 2nd ed CSM stl's?

>>96062606
Nah, it's comfortably cool and rainy. A nice change after last week.

Does anyone have a compilations of the different mission that show up in random WD and other sources for 40k 3rd?
Or at least some kind of index, I do not wish to look up years worth of material just to search for random missions.

>>95986548
Modern kill-team is a good game, but also too nice and perfectly competitvely focused, lacks that progression you could get with necromunda for example, and frankly, the lack of flexible weird armies was a minus for me.

/Grog/ how do you feel about 32mm bases in Space Marines instead of 25mm?

>>95951732
very late update:
Made a dark grey wash.
It stains the surface too much for my liking.
Not like how an armypainter wash with speedpaint medium "stains" the miniature's surface if at all: https://youtu.be/b6cbOrVnD3Y?t=368

Speedpaint medium has a soapy smell to it. But flow aid also had a soapy look to it. Should I add more flow aid to achieve desired effect, /grog/?

DIY is part of the grog experience, right?

>>96071119
I personally don't care. In some ways I can see the appeal. I'm going to paint some trolls soon but glued them to 50mm bases instead of 40mm because they look fucking stupid overhanging their 40mm bases.

>>96071188
Yeah I do not like the overhanging either.

Didn't even realise this book existed

>>96071119
100% for modern bases for old miniatures

>>96071119
i never cared

>>96071470
>>96071518
Right, thanks for your input

Anyone of all you old farts recal if there was magazine back in the days, other than WD, that had hobby section like in painting and modeling? Adventurer Magazine had "Figures Front" but it was mostly reviews of various manufacturers.

>>96071119
I dislike them but mostly because of association with other shit GW brought in during that era. If you asked me in the old times, I'd probably jump at the chance to switch.

>>96071119
I prefer 25mm HOWEVER I do use 32mm for heavy weapons specifically, for readability on the table

>>96071188
Some times they really didn't consider bases when posing the model.
The metal Stone Trolls all fit fine on a 40mm base either straight on or at a very slight angle, the River Trolls were squat with a wide stance but still front on so either overhung or looked silly turned at an angle.

>>96073819
Plenty of them. Chronicles from the Warzone was a big one, they had cheap issues all over the states and there was a free hobby excerpt in all of Heartbreaker's catalogs stateside. Pic very related. Shadis and Inquest occasionally had hobbying articles back when I was a subscriber in the 1990s (one of them is how I found out about Reaper's L5R miniatures). Ral Partha and Alderac both published hobby guides in their catalogs as well, and IIRC AEG did some hobby articles for a while in their own rag before Clan War kicked the bucket. With Battletech it was kind of a mixed bag, some mags did and some didn't. Generally-speaking if it was a general-interest publication or a SF mag with gaming content they didn't, but the upjumped hobbyist 'zines like MechForce and Battletechnology absolutely did.
At the turn of the Millennium most companies' websites had a hobby section or a hobby blog as well. Reaper still has a few archived, the stuff on Heartbreaker's old website is largely vanished even from the Internet Archive. Once Privateer Press got started they had a huge hobby section in their house rag and a blog as well. IIRC Corvus Belli did, but I wasn't really invested in Infinity at the time
On the Japanese side there are entire hobby magazines for wargaming, especially embellishing stock kits. The Maschinen Kreiger franchise in particular grew up out of an anime fan magazine, but the mechamusume guys and some of the SF gamers go way beyond the initial kit. I've seen mags on conversions and painting dating back into the 1980s, including at least one guy who was doing model-based conversions and garage casts for hex and chit games
>currently
Maelstrom's Edge and Anvil Industries are still fighting the good fight today. I haven't seen many others championing scratch builds and heavy conversion, unfortunately.

>>96071119
>/Grog/ how do you feel about 32mm bases in Space Marines instead of 25mm?
I personally dislike it for anything but running "truescale" Marines in a skirmish format. But you do you, I'm not *that* much of an autist. I do sometimes use larger bases for models that require it. I'm also seriously debating rebasing all my old Terminators to 30mm deck bases if I finally do go through with casting up my own Space Hulk boards. Got too many projects on my plate right now.
The truly patrician choice is putting all your shit on 28mm hex bases as God and Priestly intended.

i don't know if the anon that asked about dreads is still here, but i finally got it. aHR0cHM6Ly9nb2ZpbGUuaW8vZC85dDRlejMK

These were like 20p each, cool

bomp

>>96077585
ntayrt but thanks anon

>>96085493
That's a pretty cool little dude, anon, that the 2002 GD chaos champ as the base?

>>96001824
The Giant Spider is an overpowered bastard, 45pts, seven more than an ogre.
>immune to psychology
>fear 6" range
>+1 strength, additional -1 modifier, poison removes anyone suffering a wound as a casualty
>4+ armour save
>can ascend and descent trees and move through woods without penalty

I get this is from a time of narrative gaming with a GM, but you could probably double that fuckers points and it'd still be worth it.

i like my minis to be on oldschool bases (25mm, squares, etc) for the vibes but i am not bothered by an opponent having different sized bases

>>96075993
I put my space hulk minis on 1 inch square unfinished wood pieces. Makes them easiest to play with.

>>96091403
Square bases also work really well for retro minis in general yea
I prefer them for playing board game style miniature games to round bases so much more

https://magpieandoldlead.blogspot.com/2025/07/big-lad-with-big-club-scavvy-scaly.html

This is like watching LeBron James at his peak. That's a Talisman Troll.

Heavy plasma maximum power bwaaaaarmp

Would giving marines 2 wounds and a bolt pistol standard in 7th for an additional 4-5pts per model work?

>>95949813
Nice old-school Necromunda gang!

>>96102788
> Dat web-site
Man! That site is giving off serious 'Interwebz' v1.0 old 'Geo-cities' GW fan site vibes. All it's missing is a couple of cheesy animated gif files that make the page take 5 minutes before it loads to give the complete dial-up PTSD (Probable Terminally Slow Downloads) experience.

>>95970431
I miss Scriptarius and his crazy conversions that used to grace /tg/ back in the day. Pic related - his 'Mr Potato-head' that he converted into a Stompa. IIRC this was before there was an official kit from GW. It has those RT era feels.

>>96110799
Scripty was a treasure.

>>95923992
Nice Mysterio

>>96110692
Most Oldhammer blogs are still on Blogspot or Wordpress lad

>>96110692
Blogspot is as web 2.0 as they come.

https://members.tripod.com/~Marc_F/gwindex.html
This is web 1.0, it even has a pop-up ad and a bunch of webrings.