Homebrew Feudal Guard Edition

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>>Previous thread:
>>95914995

>Thread Question:
Have you ever come across some nice homebrew in these threads worth remembering?

>>95921638
what the fuck is this even supposed to convey

I'm gonna go get my paints out RIGHT NOW

>>95921624 (OP)
>TQ
I think the idea I had for "scruff companies" was worth remembering but I'm a little biased in my favor.
I like Sallyanon's homebrew though.

>>95921641
It is rage bait. Just ignore it.

I have a squad of Havocs with lascannons that I build back when the new Havocs came out. I've not played my Chaos army in a while - are they worth using these days or should I get a different weapon?

>>95921641
Boomer got the oldhammer stuff, millennial got black templars and zoomer got the voltan.
I think it conveys the generational splits in the hobby.

>>95921690
It is still primaris vs firstborn ragebait.

I'm putting on my tinfoil hat: I believe that the term "Great Rift" may be an inside joke from GW staff as they knew what a "Great Rift" would be caused between primaris and firstborn fans. And they kept the name and decided to make it a "critical" point of the current 40k setting post Cadia's fall.
Would anyone here be surprised if that was the case if a narrative top brass guy just came out and said it?

>>95921710
No, and I think that's funny.

>>95921710
>"Great Rift" would be caused between primaris and firstborn fans
is this even a problem in a single fucking place outside of here lol

>>95921638
Everyone's got their armies and is hanging out at the LGS, hope they all have a good time and make some good friends and memories. :)

>>95921641
They're all enjoying the game for what it is to them and that's okay and not to be looked upon with disdain.

>>95921710
>it's still ragebait
And ragebait still warrants a response either to humiliate the baiter for thinking he was clever or to acknowledge that some ragebait is honestly more sincere despite its inherent sarcasm than 90% of what I read in these generals. Generational divides in fandom aren't just an issue, they are THE issue concerning if these hobbies have a future. You can't just subsume the whole concept of "new fan" into the concept of "tourist" and call it dead.

Who is your favorite successor chapter and why?
I'll start: I like the Red Talons because they were so god damn angry they dropped a planetoid on their enemies. Unfortunately if you paint these guys everyone assumes you are a blood angels player.

>>95921752
I like the Sons of Medusa. Lots of interesting lore and the least retarded version of my favorite founding legion with an actual major ideological schism from the parent chapter with room for intrigue.

>>95921734
I mean I was looking at the Space Marine 2 cutscenes one time because I was curious about the game but trying to ween off vidya and went to the comment section and found some praise for primaris marines and some commenters calling them 'zoomer marines.'
Maybe I spotted one of us on the youtube comments? I couldn't tell ya. It just stuck out to me because the flamewar that ensued basically reminded me of the primaris vs firstborn fights here.
I don't know why I manage to remember such useless things and not the actual important stuff.

Personally I think a lot of primaris supporters are most likely just ragebaiting trolls trying to draw out firstborn supporters.
But I also remember an anon musing that they get angry at the mention of "firstborn" just like how firstborn marine enjoyers get angry at the mention of primaris.
Could be both if I'm being honest.

>>95921641
It's a room full of people of all ages enjoying something kino

>>95921739
Wholesome.

>>95921752
Minotaurs, Marines Malevolent and Red Hunters. Also Steel Confessors and Exorcists as honourable mentions
Marines as weapons and tools of war are superior to Marines as personalities
Humanity dehumanizes itself to meet measure of it's inhuman foes, it is like pottery - it rhymes

>>95921752
Lamenters. Yellow and checks are kino, and i think bangels are cool

>>95921752
Novamarines, ever since i read the one short story about their autistic founding chapter master standing in the corner of a party, like the meme.

Also, blue-white looks good.

>>95921641
The boomer gave his zoomer kid some of his old pile of shame to play with.
They are at the LGS enjoying his first game.

>>95921638
>Votrans
I wonder if GW forced the Mechanicus devs to include them

>>95921846
lol name?

Primaris are cool.

>>95921902

>>95921909
Kek

>>95921752
Flesh Eaters mostly because of the name but Space Marine eating their enemies always seemed to appeal to me.
Charnal Guard I like their chapter Icon and I like chapters that have an emphasis of the bones of the fallen (like the Mortifactors)

>>95921752
Black Dragons.
The ossmodula mutation that makes them grow taller and grow the bone blades out of their arms is cool.
Based /mydudes/ on them as well, like they are Salamander successors but they were made with BD geneseed because that was the only thing avaivable at the time.

>>95921752
Black Templars aesthetic goes hard for me. Also the Emperor's Champion is an interesting take. Sigismund possessing a marine and just pumps up his sword skills to insane levels, no matter who the marine was.
I like how they have the Sororitas level of fanatism. Their "miracles" is, not counting the Champion, the fact that they can do suicidal mellee charges and actually not only survive, but succeeds why anyone else would just get shredded.
The God Emperor really protects his faithful.

>>95921752
Always been partial to the Guardians of the Covenant
Cool color scheme and their habit of actually trying to help people is a nice refresher from the usual Dark Angel behavior.

can’t pick a tyranid paint scheme…

>>95922052
maybe a grim version of this…

>>95922067
or just a less cartoonish leviathan…

>>95922052
>>95922067
>>95922074
Grimdark versions dont look from afar

>>95922052
>>95922067
>>95922074
Paint them in bright and vibrant colors you pussy, grimdark looks ass in anything that isn't a prepped instagram photo

>>95921863
It's already a Skaven game, so why not have the Dwarfs too?

Ork bros what level of JUST are we on right now?

>>95922084
>>95922096
true
how about this

>>95921752
Make sure you clarify that you don’t mine being thought of as. Blood Angels player because they are amazing but you just wish people noticed your hard work. I don’t want my fellow bloods feeling disrespected and have them take their anger out on you.

>>95922084
that's usually a color choice problem
there was a recent paint collection released by army painter that uses colors designed by the grimdark master himself John Blanche, and it had some really vibrant paints
usually people are like "I paint grimdark" and then it's just black and brown

>>95921752
I've always enjoyed the Raptors even if they are tied in with the Reasonable Marines meme.

That, and I always find it funny how bitchy people get about marines bein "too" tactical as if all space marines have to stick to only a specific aesthetic.

I wish people wouldn't make Tau look so cool, keeps making he have the notion to start a wee Tau army. Tau mechs with streaking grime and battle-chipping seems to be a new weakness for me.

>>95921734
There’s at least one dude at my LGS who complains about primaris models.

>>95921752
Blood Ravens because of Dawn of War

>>95922278
what army does he play?

>>95922248
It's just autism.
Many people are just either slightly butthurt or annoyed that their favorite chapter isn't the default marine thing.

>>95922282
But who are they successors of?

>>95922350
Word bearers

>>95921624 (OP)
After much deliberation, I have decided to do Dusk Raiders scheme for the death guard I'm building. Now deciding which shade of grey looks best for rust.

>>95922157
Example?

>>95921752
I don't know most of the fluff behind all the marine chapters but when it comes to second founding, Crimson Fists are my guys. I like that their biggest beef is with Orks infesting the sector, I like that the entire chapter almost ate shit, I like Pedro Kantor. I love that a chapter master is named Pedro, and I love power fists simple as. If I ever start a marines army, that's who I would choose.

>>95922278
I don't get why someone would hate Primaris other than new bad, I think the models are nice and even though they don't have the universal modularity of the old kits, their poses are a lot more natural and dynamic. This is coming from a guy who has a deep love for the classic army of frowning guys awkwardly gripping their guns at you.

are the big CK in?

>>95921868
Should be from "The Laurel of Defiance"

Corvo moved around the function – room to room, hall to hall – as if he were clearing a building in a firefight. Dancing was underway in the ballroom. In others, large tables were piled with food. More Ultramarines were to be found there than in the dance hall, as was to be expected. His brothers knew him by reputation if not in person, and greeted him briefly and respectfully. It was some time yet to the feast and the arrival of the primarchs. He engaged in polite conversation with the unaltered where it was unavoidable.

‘They say you killed a Titan,’ they would declare.

‘Not I. My men. It was my men.’

Many of his interlocutors left disappointed. He would not be drawn further on the event. Let others tell their stories. He had no stomach for boasting.

He caught sight of Captain Ventanus – the Saviour of Calth and Guilliman’s new favourite – attentively conversing with some functionary or other, a broad sash across the Space Marine’s chest thick with fresh honours. His adjutant, a sergeant by the look of him, was engaged with another group of humans close by. Adoration and laughter rose around him. Corvo wished that he shared their facility for small talk.

He found a server and took both of the jugs of brandy that he was carrying. He consumed them as quickly as decorum allowed, enjoying the faint buzz of mild intoxication for the few minutes before his transhuman metabolism purged it from his body.

‘Brother-captain,’ said a Space Marine he did not know. The rank marks on his collar marked him out as a sergeant.

The other legionary held out his hand. ‘I am Sergeant Tullian Aquila, 168th Company.’

‘Lucretius Corvo, 90th Company.’ He grasped Aquila’s forearm in a warrior’s handshake.

>>95922282
>>95922350
>>95922362
Blood Angels

>>95921902
This but unironically

>>95922402
Are those marines in the pic thick? Why dont they go inside and use the battlements?

>>95921624 (OP)
>TQ
I liked orange and tealfag's lore blurb about why his dudes are grey and black now

>>95922191
>>95922191
all of that would make sense if it were a space wolf

that has absolutely nothing to do with a NL

>>95922191
what is this gay tumblr shit?
>his captain gave him time to "find his place"
>he's an ambitious go-getter who likes to tell jokes
>night lord
gayest shit I ever saw

>>95922263
I recommend just buying some gunpla and getting it out of your system
a super detailed, highly-articulated gunpla that's about the size of a big Tau suit will run you like $30

>>95922500
>his captain gave him time to "find his place"
You don't have very good reading skills

>>95922402
I dislike them because they fundamentally represent the cynical, exploitative core of the company. People have continually asked, "why not just truescale existing marine designs?", and there's never been a good answer because there isn't one. The answer, which is a BAD reason, is because GW bigwigs have been convinced for the last 15 years or so, that as a general rule people who have a collection of minis, don't want to buy more of the minis they already own. Something has to at least have the appearance of being wholly new for these consumers to buy them. So the answer to their perceived problem of "how do we re-engage the largest portion of our consumerbase (space marine collectors)? We release everything again, but we tell them it's all new.

You think I'm being paranoid? The evidence is plain. You can see it in miniature (lol) with how Stormcast went in AoS, not even making it 3 editions before they wanted to cannibalize existing collections to sell them again. How about the new Terminators? Now that everyone is on board with Primaris, now they get to sell the old designs back again the way they should have been done 2 editions ago. Not a coincidence these new Space Wolves are rocking a disproportionate amount of pre Mk.X look-alike armor.

>>95922517
okay, instead HE gave HIS new recruit time to find his place, only making him sound even more like a pussy

got any other smartass quips faggot?

>>95922350
Unknown but implied to be 1k sons so they're traitor legion loyalist mary sues

>>95922512
People have said that before but I don't like them, theres something about them that looks utterly daft. Mechs that use hands to grip their weapons instead of them just being directly integrated into their arms is silly.

>>95922527
You still didn't read it properly lmao

Are the Castellan-chassis knights still garbage

>>95922422
For almost a decade I though they were Blood Angles. In my defense all my 40k knowledge came from music videos.

New lore just dropped. Era of Ruin has a Custodes saying that the Emperor hid the truth about the Space Marines' obsolescence.
Do you know what that means? It means that Abaddon was right. The Emperor wanted to thunder warrior the Space Marines. He didn't intend for Space Marines to rule the Imperium they created as they were implicitly promised. They were going to be replaced by mere humans.
The traitors are now validated, imo.

>>95922547
I did read it correct and the fact you can't even explain why just shows me you're the retard who can't read, retard

>>95922586
>all my 40k knowledge came from music videos.
Christ that's almost as bad as your knowledge only being from sloptubers

>>95922546
https://www.amazon.com/Macross-MC-071-Wave/dp/B0038OMCA6
here you go scrote

>>95922595
>PLEASE spell it out for my pea-brain
Fine mongoloid
>he was the leader
>new guy showed up who was more of a leader so he stepped down because he didn't want to lead
that so hard for your smoothbrain to understand?

Anyone else tired of dad gamers?
>*half his army is unpainted*
>"Yea sorry I just dont have time to paint between my kid and the job"
>*proxies using blood bowl models*
>"Sorry cant make it the wife is out of town gotta watch this kid"
>*complains about back/knee problems*
>*has to sit down during your turn*
>*lets his children who are behind on development milestones run around the shop on game day*

>>95921710
Turned all my firstborn into red corsairs and went renegade ever since.

>>95922546
>why would this robot ever want to NOT hold one, singular gun it was built with?
>never mind the two other potential weapon the robot in pic related is equipped with
>that it'd never be able to use if its gun was fused to its hand
I really hate to be so argumentative when you've been nothing but polite, but your reasoning is kind of retarded if you can't understand the value of being able to swap equipment in the field due to having opposable thumbs

>>95922617
>>PLEASE spell it out for my pea-brain
>Fine mongoloid
You know what? I stopped reading here and ignored the rest of your post. You're a doublenigger and you don't deserve this (You) (it's the last you'll get out of me).

>>95922593
Didnt that one mad scientist on terra during the horus heresy develop some kind of anti-astartes bioweapon? Why doesn’t the imperium just use that against the traitor legions?

>>95922628
I'm surprised you were able to even understand the word mongoloid, that's a lot of syllables for you!

>>95922635
Didn't read lol

>>95922633
Because they didn't know if it was going work or if it was going to work how bad it could have been. It was designed and created by the monster Fio.

>>95922593
>Black Library sloppa
didn't happen

>>95922633
>That one made scientist
You mean Narthan Dume, the master virologist now in the custody and forced employ of the emperor? Yeah, the Terminus Decree is the final order from the Emperor given to wipe out all the space marines with the virus if Terra should fall to Abaddon. But the catch is he had already ordered it's development before the Heresy began.

>>95922593
>Space Marines were obsolete
duh
they can't reproduce sexually
they are inherently reliant on humanity

>>95922621
No you didn't.

>>95922719
Chaos has circumvented this in several different ways to create more Space Marines without needing humans

>>95922742
No they haven't
Their almost exclusive source of new CSM is still marines falling either willingly or by force, they can barely even manage to elevate humans with looted geneseed

>>95921752
Consecrators, since they're basically just the 30k Dark Angels. Honestly I really like the Covenant of Fire's color scheme and ethos of finding as much knowledge as possible, so if they ever get a little more fleshed out I could see them become my favorite.

>>95921839
Always loved that the Minotaurs prefer to deploy in as large a force as possible, I wish more chapters did that. Just go in with everything and obliterate e everything.

>>95922724
I did.
They will eventually be Legends and phased out of the game.
Renegade raiders got their own detachment so I figured they have more longevity in the game, was space wolves anyway so I filed off the totems and imperial seals and painted them red, worst part was painting the red corsairs logo free hand on all of them.
I feel it in my bones we will get a new Huron model soon.

>>95922263
Is there a guide on how to do all of the weathering effects including the streaking grime?

>tfw I've got that razor wire

I need to stop using it on all of my bases

>>95922782
Post them.

Wrote up my first attempt at a Dark Eldar list. Love the idea of non-stop transports ferrying around Kabalites to shoot and capture points. Scourges and Incubi are cool too so I added them in as well. Thoughts?


Archon (85pts): Huskblade, Warlord, Splinter pistol

4x 10x Kabalite Warriors (100pts)

2x 10x Incubi (170pts)
2x 10x Scourges (180pts)

3x Ravager (100pts): Bladevanes, 3x Dark Lance

6x Raider (75pts): Bladevanes, Disintegrator Cannon
Venom (65pts): Bladevanes, 2x Splinter Cannon

>>95922799
No I don't know how to properly remove exif data from pictures, not getting doxxed.

>>95922263
Should that heat discoloration reach so far into the barrel? Something about it feels off to me lol

>>95922803
>6x raiders
Drop some and add venoms for splitting units into MSU
>4x10 kabalites
Drop some and add 2x5 mandrakes for uppy downy
You'll also want at least 1 cronos if not 2 for pain token recovery

>>95922836
nta but 4chan wipes all exif data, you're not being very believable here

>>95922782
Like the imperium declared red corsairs heretics, GW invalidated your guys and in the end they fall back to chaos
Beautiful.

>>95922350
Tsons, it's not even subtle.

>>95922724
>>95922799
>t. golden demon fag

>>95922844
Uppy downy? I could add Venoms, yeah. I would like to add Reavers, but mostly going off getting Combat Patrols for the Kabs and boats.

>>95922847
Yeah, that is why sometimes it messes with the image rotation cause it is in the exif data

>>95922836
>exif data
The site auto removes it when posted retard. Now cough up pics of your models

>>95922836
>No I can't you'll dox me!!
How predictably boring, I just wanted to see some conversions.
>>95922862
Not your schizo scapegoat or even trying to start an argument, calm down sperg.

>>95922803
>2x10 scourges
They’re honestly just better in small squads of 5

>2x10 incubi
Prepare to generate mass seethe with them

>>95922860
They don't have flesh change, black rage, bionics obsession, etc so we can rule out several origins

>>95922526
>Not a coincidence these new Space Wolves are rocking a disproportionate amount of pre Mk.X look-alike armor.
Most of it is still mk10 armor. Like even the few mk7 helmets in the kits aren't true mk7 and are just mk10 helmets with mk7 face plate, you can see it based on the "ear ridges" on the helmets. Also the power packs are also just mk10 and some parts don't have kneefins.
And it makes sense for the Space Wolves, their entire point is that even if they don't follow the codex they are very much traditionalists and they also tend to be much more independent. Like we see this in the very marine update, they do have intercessor squads now, but they still field their Grey Hunters.
So even if they got primaris reinforcements and they were given mk10 armor and other things, they still will use their old shit because it exists. No real point to throw it away, and no reason to reject new war material and supplies.
This is why the armors have blends of mk10 and other patterns.

>>95922863
>Uppy downy
Mandrakes can be taken off the board at the end of your opponent's turn and deep striked in your own movement phase, they're fantastic action monkeys

>>95922847
Not trying to be, I don't post pictures I've taken with my devices on this site on principle, I find it wierd why it would be so unbelievable that someone would do it, they don't really sell firstborn minis anymore so I don't see a reason to keep them as loyalists, red corsairs are mostly renegades who turncoated so I find it acceptable to use my old minis for that instead of throwing them away.

>>95922885
What's so good about incubi? I haven't played against deldar yet

>>95922907
We've all heard this larp a thousand times before

>>95922803
Imo if you cut the extra Scourges to have 2 groups of 5 with all lances/haywire, you'd save 100 pts and you'd be able to get an Archon to get 2 Archon + Incubi bricks (saving 15 total)
Drop a Raider for a venom (saving 10, 25 total)
Then drop one of the raiders entirely to get up to 100 saved points which lets you get 2 Cronos

This gives you a very mobile army, with the 2 Incubi + Archon in 2 raiders, 2 squads of Cabalites in another raider, and a split squad in the venoms.
Now you can use the non-special split Kabalites to hold backline objectives and your Archon + Incubi are scary threats against infantry

>>95922882
I promise I will post one after I'm home from vacation from my retarded cousins phone.

Evens I buy a Wraithlord
Odds I buy a Dreadnought
0 I buy Aggressors

>>95922913
why does this upset you?

>>95922619
>unpainted army
There’s a few dad gamers at my store and most of them have their shit painted. One guy I play a lot just uses a bunch of contrast paints and logical priming. He’s no award winning painter but jts a good standard
>muh kids
One guy paints while he feeds his new born. One guy just does it when they go to bed at his sofa while his wife knits. Literally so easy to fit in
>proxies
Literally who cares
>wife out
Literally just get a babysitter most of the guys do that
>muh back and knees
Funnily my store has higher tables to stop you bending down because the owner got sick of stores having shitty tables
>sitting down
Screams no games having sat through Tau shooting phases sometimes I sit and read my codex until it’s time to make saves
>kids running around
Mixed feelings some kids are behaved and just want to ask about models/games which is fine but screaming little retards should be a ban offence

>>95922593
>He didn't intend for Space Marines to rule the Imperium they created
Yes. This was the plan from the day 1.
The Imperial Senate and what would become the Administratum already existed in full force at the end of the Unification Wars before Emperor even started the Great Crusade
>as they were implicitly promised.
This never happened.
Both Horus and Abaddon are just delusional retards with illusions of grandeur.


And regardless, this is all just terrible nulore made by retards at BL who have zero fucking clue.

>>95922922
Wraithlords are so cool, shame about their rules in 10th

>>95922922
does dubs mean you get 2 wraithlords?

Want to play big stompy robots. Which is more retardproof in rules?

>>95922904
>Most of it is still mk10 armor.
Blood claws have the pre mkX legs. grey hunters and headtaker are in mkX, but some have sortof mkVI with the mkX chins

>>95922910
Once you stack buffs on them they hit really hard. In skysplinter you gain lance jumping out a transport. With an archon and empowered a unit of 10 does 30 attacks at S4 AP3 D2 with full rerolls to hit and wound and +1 to wound. You’ll melt most units in the game

>>95922937
Big robot tau

>>95922616
But thats just a Battletech Warhammer?

>>95922934
No, you need trips for that.

>>95922954
it's macross
the anime series warhammer ripped off for a LOT of eldar and tau stuff

>>95922910
>>95922910
In SSA you can do the following
>Put 10 Incubi in a boat with an Archon
>Move 14 inches
>Disembark 3 inches
>Strategem to charge
>Charge with rerolls due to pain token
>Any defensive stratagems or OW cost 2cp, can take something to turn off OW at all
>Pain token
>Rerolls to hit
>Since empowered, rerolls to wound
>+1 to wound due to lance
> +1 AP due to empowered
>This is now 35 AP-3 Damage 2 hits with Lance
>You have now killed 6+ terminators in a single activation from 20+ inches away

>>95922622
>the value of being able to swap equipment in the field due to having opposable thumbs
But its outweighed by you only being able to pick up what your hand actuators can manage to weild, which is certainly going to be a lot less than what it could be if it was just the arm itself.

He's entirely magnetized, I can finally start priming. What are you working on /40kg/?

>>95922941
>Blood claws have the pre mkX legs
They have mk10 legs. You can very clearly the thigh armor with the details that mk10 has. Same with the ankles which have the mk10's ankle ball and the distinctive foot shape.
And you can see the chestplates these guy's have, it's the same mk10 chest plate that has the extra plate on top and many have gorgets too.
Even the powerpacks are mk10, but they just took the small plates off the ball shaped vents.

They are just mk10 without some details, but it is still obviously mk10.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/hx9biq5l/these-epic-new-space-wolves-will-write-sagas-worthy-of-the-allfather/
Full article where you can look at the marines.

>>95922975
Next turn they presumably get blasted off the board, but that's fine since they've traded up?

>>95922619
Some of my best games have been against dads. They tend to be chill as fucj and due to their busy schedule they are very appreciative of getting the chance to play games. You're right about their armies usually not being fully painted but they at least try

>>95922991
Oh, they are wearing mkX a 100%, just wanted to add detail on which kits have the mkVI/VII inspired legs

>>95922995
Yeah. The archon is a stinker because now he's in the backline and adding +1CP to every stratagem so they've got to dedicate the firepower to kill it but while they're doing this you've got more fucking boats moving around more units and winning the objective game.

>>95922943
>>95922975
OK that's fucked, looks like I simply can't have any infantry exposed to them. I'd either have to fight on death or overwatch, and I'm guessing they have a strategem to prevent the latter?

Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>95922937
>big stompy robots
How big we talking? Dreadnoughts are simple enough, Knights too and Titans you just stand still and choose what to shoot at

>>95923014
I would barely call it inspiration when they just shave off a fin from the kneepad.
There are some design cues, yes, but it is not as prominent as you'd think. This isn't even new anyway, GW did the mk6 style shin plates with Black Templars update already, most still had the kneefins on them.

In these kits I think the reason why they removed the kneefins for Blood Claws is just to make the armor look different compared to Grey Hunters. But it is also there to kind of show off how Blood Claws are still rookie Space Wolves, so their armor is a bit "lighter" in appearance which helps sell the fact that Blood Claws are fast melee units.

>>95922995
Depends if you have the CP you can pay to reaction move away

>>95922995
they actually have a very funny strat that lets them run away after combat and hop into a nearby bote

>>95923057
I hate space elves so much it's unreal. Fire dragons have something similar

>>95923074
If you have enough CP there's even another strat that gives the boat they just ran into a reactive move to run away even more

Serious question guys. Battle report YouTubers. Why do they always — ALWAYS — fuck up the rules? And not fringe errata that just came out, but basic shit from the unit’s own data sheet.

>>95923074
Fire dragons don't have embark after shoot, that's a strategem on multiple eldar detachments

>>95923101
Because shit's easy to fuck up when it's as convoluted as it is.

>>95922593
Yea, this is insanely obvious even going back to the original Horus Rising novel in 2004 or whatever.

>>95923119
Then we can finally admit that the Black Legion is morally justified. The Imperium belongs to the Angels, not men.

So what about this box set?
You get a lot for 100 bucks on amazon. I like the idea of having a small army of terminators. Do the terminators suck in this edition?

>>95923159
I'd try to find a Leviathan box half if you just want the Space Marine ones

>>95923143
No because they aren't human, just meant to protect them. They are tools and nothing more.

>>95923168
I like both sides. I had both back in 3rd edition. Also I am a converter type, I can make the flame dudes whatever I want, even devastator gunners with a bit of slicework.

>>95921752
>TQ
Dark Krakens.
>My B.S. was in Marine Bio (albeit focused more on microscopic)
>Marines that actually do water stuff.
>Rad color scheme and logo
>I fucked bigly with the Bionicle Barraki line as a kid.

>>95921624 (OP)

Given that post hack, /tg/ has become super slow. Does this warrant a change in when we make a new /40kg/ thread?

I'm thinking page 10 like /WIP/

>>95923169
>just meant to protect them
Refer to Abaddon's speech to the founders of the Black Legion in the first Black Legion book.
That's exactly the reason and purpose of the Black Legion. They want to save the Imperium/humanity, not destroy it. Humans are unsuited to rule. Look at what they did with the Imperium in the 10K years of their rule.

>>95923143
>Then we can finally admit that the Black Legion is morally justified
What is the justification for their actions that the Black Legion uses?
Is it actually good and fitting in the 40k universe?

>>95923185
The best for thing would be to do a /quest/ thing for 40k. Just give 40k their own 5 page(like /gif/) section of 4chan. 40k quests in quest section and so on, not exempt but a place to migrate to.

>>95923185
Don't try to reinvent the wheel. /wip/ is slower than /40kg/ and it's usually one anon baking the threads so others only do it when it drops to page 9/10

Awoo with me sisters!

>>95923186
Once Imperium won the galaxy, Emperor was going to genocide all psykers and make all of humanity blanks, so that they are no longer threatened by the warp. He must have reasoned that things would be fine as long as chaos can't whisper to humans.

>>95922901
They have the flesh change dumbass, its been linked ITT multiple times.

>>95922987
I'm painting another Sicarian. Btw why do you have tabasco sauce on your hobby desk, anon?

Guard bros, how're you holding up?

>>95923186
>That's exactly the reason and purpose of the Black Legion.
>They want to save the Imperium/humanity, not destroy it.
Yeah, fucking sure they want.
ADB is a retard and his writing is to be ignored.

>>95923191
Yes

Started building a box of Fire Dragons today before I need to do all my weekend work.
Aspect Warriors are cool. A little concerned about having to do so many different paint jobs though.

>>95923218
>Yeah, fucking sure they want.
They do. That's why Abby is referred to by GW as an anti-hero.

>>95923203
Awooga

>>95923027
Dark eldar more like fart smelldar lmaooo

>>95923209
Might start a nod brotherhood army.
>just have to mod the helmets a little and I have snipers; grenade launchers; flamers(modded) and sergeant special weapons in the kit

>>95923207
I put tabasco in my paint

>>95923219
>Yes
No. It's stupid and shit.
Trying to turn fucking Chaos Marines, actual baby eating retards that worship fucking demons that want nothing but to corrupt and destoy everything, into some anti-heros is beyond fucking retarded.
This shit just reeks of terribly written marvel shit, which isn't surprising because ADB is gigantic chaosfaggot fanboy.

>>95923209
Visited WIP.
They had some discussion about DIY washes and the black wash looks amazing there.
Makes me regret painting what little guardsmen I have and I plan to try and make some diy black wash that stains little and shades recesses and raised details a lot.
>https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/261541.page
Pic related is the black effect that made me go "woah I gotta try this."

>>95922901
They have
>flesh change
>highest rate of psykers of any known chapter
>are lead by a librarian
>have the symbol of the Corvidae as their chapter logo
>Ahriman has let blood ravens join his warband and returned them uncorrupted to the Imperium
>obsession with knowledge
>redacted origin protected by the Inquisition
>red color matching tsons 30k colors scheme exactly
>are extremely good at fortune telling/prognostication (the strongest power of the tsons and of the Corvidae)
>the author first in charge of writing their books stated them to be blood ravens in an interview

>>95923245
Oh, is that where the Eisenkern line went?

>>95922593
Most important reveal of the book is that naked Custodes are recanonized, they really did go around in loinclothes for some time after the Heresy

>>95923249
You can have both. Khorne Beserkers and Emperors children are your turbo evil rapemachines, and Abaddon can be a anime final villain with a thin moral impetus for his galaxy spanning genocide. The point of 40k is to allow all the cool fantsy tropes a chance to shine. One existing does not preclude the other.

>>95923254
When in the fuck did Ahriman let a Blood Raven in? What book?

>>95923254
>>flesh change
No, they don't.
Also, GW wieghed in and said the Blood Rarvens are not TS.

>>95923277
He is referring to the Goto Dawn of War series, which is not canonical

>>95923280
>ADB quote
You would think with all the shitting on ADB and his endless series of retconning that you would realize this is a retcon, not an always was the case situation.

>>95923280
ADB is not GW
ADB is a faggot

>>95923293
Not really a retcon. Relic and some guys in BL wanted to force their fanfiction into the canon to elevate their pet chapter a little more.
ADB and Laurie Goulding joined forces and defeated them, ensuring that cringe doesn't infect the main canon.

>>95923230
>They do.
Oh yeah, sure.
That's why 99% of the Black Legion are demon humping fucktards or other type of idiots who are being manipulated by daemons or have pacts with them.

Abaddon is a delusional dumbass who is playing directly into the hands of the Chaos Gods.
>oh i'm gonna save humanity by spreading Chaos everywhere and feeding Chaos with more and more power
>in FACT, I'll tear a galaxy a new asshole which will the proceed more actual daemons and Chaos pour into the galaxy
>said Rift which is now expanding continuesly and is swallowing up more and more planets into the Warp
>but also the said Rift has had the side effect of daemonic incursions becoming more and more common due to the membrane between the materium and the Warp becoming thinner and compromised
>and the said Rift has also caused Chaos cults and chaos worshippers to grow EXPONENTIALLY in number because staring into the Rift will corrupt your soul and make you insane and start worshipping the Chaos Gods
Yeah, Black Legion and Abaddon sure fucking wants to "help humanity".
They have done MORE DAMAGE to the Imperium in the past 10 000 years than the Emperor himself ever did with the Great Crusade.

And honestly how Abaddon is acting, Emperor, Malcador and the Custodes all were in the right to kill all marines if this is how they will chim out.
Retardation and stupid fucking morons like these shouldn't have been allowed to exist beyond the Great Crusade.
Pic related is Abaddon.

>>95923294
GW is now the head creative lead of GW studio. When it comes to the lore, HE IS GW.

>>95923280
>originally written to be tsons
>ADB takes power within the company
>has on the record stated he thinks the idea of traitor geneseed is fundamentally against his headcannon for the setting
>instead of retconning it, they just double down on saying "its not clear who it is"
>this means blood ravens arent tsons

So then, just to be consistent because ADB shitting on old lore is the way forward, we can all agree the Minotaurs aren't Iron Warrior geneseed even though their author also wrote them to be so. Correct? This isn't just a double standard from an ADB fanboy?

>>95923302
Yeah, lets ignore all the non-Relic, non-BL sources that the whole idea was based on. On how ADB and Laurie are responsible for endless cringe. Fuck of, Aaron.

>>95922901
>They don't have flesh change
They do.
They shoved all of their failed aspirants into the Tower which is a home for all of them.
Also pic related is from the HH campaign book, which proved that loyalist Thousand Sons existed during the Heresy and they fought on the Imperium's side. Which provides an origin for the Blood Ravens, they are just descendants of some of the TSons who didn't join the traitors, and over the course of thousands of years the Blood Raven origin has just been forgotten. Or more likely intentionally hidden by the Imperium as to not bring shame to them.

>>95923303
>That's why 99% of the Black Legion are demon humping fucktards or other type of idiots who are being manipulated by daemons or have pacts with them.
Wrong, most of them look up to Abaddon and follow his vision.

Does the Superheavy Walker rule mean that big knights can Kool-aid man through ruins?

>>95923280
Anon. ADB has gone on record about the fact that he HATES the idea of Blood Ravens being loyalist Thousand Sons.
The only reason why says this, is because he wants to desperately change canon because he himself is butthurt over lore he didn't come up with and the said lore upsets him.
So he wants to ruin for others.
Which isn't surprising because ADB is a known to be a gigantic faggot.

>>95923339
Yes, but they have to take a battleshock test to do so.

Blood Ravens are Word Bearers.
Eliphas flat out calls Thule "Brother" in Dark Crusade.

>>95923277
Highly recommend picking it up. Goto isn't the best writer but its a fun silly story and I'm an Ahriman fanboy.

Any here like the Robotuian heresy? Seems the hype has died down for it.

Thankfully seems the EC inherited some of the Slanneshi ideas.

>>95923303
The latest CSM codex has just been released a few months ago. It has a mention of a half dozen named leaders of the Black Legion. The consistent theme about them is that they don't care for Chaos and are 100% loyal to Abaddon and his ambition. Furthermore, the codex pretty much spells it out that after Terra and the Emperor fall, Abaddon is going after the Chaos Gods.

Her is what ADB said about the Black Legion loyalties:

>The Black Legion largely despises the gods and Abaddon does all he can to resist them. He’s in it for a wider purpose that he and his fellows consider their birthright. In contrast, Huron supposedly offered his soul to the gods in order to stop himself from dying; he and his followers are effectively in it for survival at any cost.
>You, ah, think those Cult Marines think the gods are rad? Like... those Rubricae love Tzeentch? Those Berserkers are thrilled with Khorne? The gods mark these guys. That’s all it means.
>Abaddon is Marked by all four gods. That doesn’t mean he thinks they rock. They marked him. That’s a one-way love affair, there. Same thing with the Black Legion as a general rule.
>Exceptions always exist and there are as many routes on the Path to Glory as there are Chaos Marines themselves, but don’t fall into the awkward assumption that being a Cult Marine—especially in the Black Legion—implies “worship” of the Chaos Gods.
>A Death Guard Plague Marine is a vastly different soul to a Black Legion Plague Marine. One of them is all about Nurgle. The other is all about breaking free of servitude to any and all mistakes made by their brethren and fathers, often including Word Bearer-style worship or Death Guard-style reverence.
>It’s not disingenuous to say that. It’s one of the core themes and points of the Black Legion, and a wider element of how Chaos Marines work."

>>95923348
That's sweet. I know exactly what I'm gonna do now, then. My Space Marine list with Judiciar + 6 BGV are going to play bodyguard for a Canis Rex and heroic intervention anyone who tries to tag him in melee while Canis runs around punching things.

>>95923288
>which is not canonical
cope lmao

>>95923355
Okay, half a point to word bearers. Add another point for the high number of psykers.

That gives them 1.5 points to 187 for Tsons geneseed

All you need to know about ADB is anyone in the uk with a double barrelled surname from birth (i.e. not from marriage) is a posh twat and likely nepo baby

>>95923357
I'll go download it. Worth while to finish the Ahriman Omnibus first?

>>95923355
all CSM call loyalists brother or cousin to taunt them

>>95923370
As soon as ADB retires it will be canonical again. If we get a DoW 4 it will probably be canonical again.

>>95923378
You don't need too. It doesn't reference any events from his books iirc.

>>95923335
>Wrong, most of them look up to Abaddon
Oh yeah, sure.
That's why all of them are looking for an opportunity to kill him so they can take over the Black Legion themselves.
AND all of these cunts go around making daemonic pacts and worship the chaos gods.

No matter how you try to spin it, Abaddon is an idiot.
And this whole fucking saga/arc, whatever you wanna call it, where Abaddon is getting turned into some dipshit Space Marine rights activist anti-hero is dumbest fucking idea GW and ADB have ever pulled by far.
And everything they've done to make it "function" instantly fails the logic test because it is stupid.

>Goto mentioned
Post multi-lasers.

Hey /tg/, I've never played 40k but I think the game and some of the lore is neato so I'm thinking about starting. The problem is my artistic skills are about on par with a retarded 2nd grader, and I'd rather not spend money of models and paint just to ruin them. Aesthetically I like Leagues of Votann because astronaut dwarves dwarfs?) are cool, Dark Eldar because unapologetically evil torture elves are cool, and Thousand Sons becuase evil space marine wizards are cool. If there are any other factions that would be less fucked up by my mongoloid art skills I'd definitely consider them too. Thanks.

>>95923386
Did you read Atlas Infernal? I've just started it and I heard Ahriman is in it.

>>95923389
Get educated, this anon is factually correct: >>95923367

Does anyone have the Blood Ravens Primer from a few editions ago? I thought I had it downloaded but I didn't organize it and I can't find it anywhere in my downloads. Its like 3 pages long and its the source of that bit about the Tower on the Omnus Arcanum and the flesh change.

>ADB becomes the head of narrative writing at GW
>black legion instantly starts turning into some retarded Anti-Hero space marine rights activist legion

>>95923367
>after Terra and the Emperor fall, Abaddon is going after the Chaos Gods
lmao I'm sure this will go well for him

So…..Death Worlds. How do women survive on these planets? Does the lore over-state how bad conditions really are and they do in fact have stable places safe enough to at least have a viable population?

>40k universe is vast
>WE MUST MAKE EVERYONE BRITISH

>>95923367
oh look it's the actual /u/shaiskais aka c****c spouting more of his retarded abaddon drivel

>>95923416
He has planned the downfall of the gods for 10K years. Trust in the plan.

What would actually happen if they added Skaven into 40k?

>>95923445
The more babies we eat and demons we summon the closer we come to defeating the dark gods!

>>95923421
Depends on the world, some of the the imperium replaces the population to try add more humans to keep it going.

Others, it's implied to very shitty towards women.

>>95923280
I think Bowden is still seething that he didn't get to be the writer to make loyalists of traitor legion geneseed into 40k canon first.

Imagine what the Blood Ravens would have been like if ADB wrote them.

>>95923450
It would be another army, and some people would buy models and play the army and some people would complain and say it doesn't belong in 40k.

As someone who paints Ultramarines, I’m already a bit spoiled, but I hope the Victrix Honor Guard get a separate kit not attached to Calgar eventually. I know GW sells the retro kit, but I’m talking a refreshed kit with more poses. Cato Sicarius could help sell the unit too, though I’m personally pretty neutral on him as a whole.

>that guy who eats wotsits at the LGS

Chaos question, are CSM not irrelvant anymore post rift? Given the literal trillions of new cultists who can summon daemon armies for Chaos.

Like Khorne nearly took Terra 2 centuries ago and the Black legion have not even gotten into the solar system.

Hell chaos knights are stronger than CSM they should be the favored champions of chaos.

>>95923280
Golding is the same guy who officially stated the 4th edition codex with the foundational BR lore is in it's entirety not canon. If old codex aren't canon, that's a retcon.

>>95923450
TGHR would be confirmed competent (somehow)

>>95923309
No, he's not
He's a faggot

>>95923494
>cheeto covered hands.jpg
>"hey bro can I see your rules?"

Is there anywhere I can find examples of T'au sept colors and colors for the Demiurg?

Tau should be able to take some votamn units as demiurg auxilliaries

>>95923498
No. The Imperium is creating a wall of faih from shrine worlds. The Pariah Nexuses are rising and daemons are near powerless there.
On Terra, daemons have a hard time manifesting. Khorne's invasion TWELVE YEARS AGO (Timeline revamp) happened due to the Great Rift knocking out the Golden Throne.

Moreover, it's the Black Legion that are leading the effort to expand the Great Rift.

It's true that by virtue of the Great Rift mere existence reality will crumble from the consistent daemonic invasions. But there is no certainty that it will happen fast enough before the other races finish conquering the galaxy or sealing the Great Rift. So marines are still required to hasten the wnd of the galaxy/

>>95923450
They come out of the Dark Imperium and are heavily mutated humans

>>95923450
I would have to buy a 5th army

>>95923548
I forgot there was a timeline revamp

>>95923494
>Hey can I see that book?
>puts the book down on a table and flattens the binding

>>95923409
Here you go anon. It's a fun read.

https://files.catbox.moe/k7l5ls.pdf

>>95923421
The women become tougher, just like the men do.

>>95923313
>no response
I accept your concession.

>>95923313
He said repeatedly that the idea of loyalist chapters made from traitor geneseed is so snowflakey that it diminishes the setting, and I happen to agree.

>>95923450
They would be completely unneeded and out of their league because they'd lose both the tech angle and the numberless hordes angle.

>>95921752
Iron Snakes, I really like thier traditions with the water of Ithaka; and I think the whole organization of the chapter is interesting with the squads and how they promote scouts, definitely an underrated chapter in my opinion. And the greek stuff is cool as well.
Black Templars are one of my favorites but because of all the "purge the xeno and heretic, etc." but because of the bonds of brotherhood they have within thier squad organization.

Imperium>Chaos

>>95923601
He's just mad because it makes his own faggoty inventions less special

>>95923631
>Main Characters>Side Characters

Wow

>>95923601
>He said repeatedly that the idea of loyalist chapters made from traitor geneseed is so snowflakey that it diminishes the setting

Why? Like honestly, why? Isn't far more retarded to think 100% of all traitor legions blindly followed their legion into civil war? Despite the many books of the HH that focus on loyalist elements of the traitor legions?

GK supreme grandmaster Ianus was a former tson, and I don't hear people crying all the time about GK existing. They literally just ran a whole multi book story about renegade dark angels coming back into the fold. There is literally no reason not to have loyalist traitor geneseed. Traitors use loyalist geneseed all the fucking time. The geneseed itself is doesn't have dreams or goals, it's just an organ you implant in people and the Imperium is desperately short on it.

Additionally, successor chapters are way more fucking special snowflake. You are going to tell me the Black Dragons aren't way more fucking snowflakey than just having already established lore elements in the series being perpetuated?

>>95923421
>How do women survive on these planets?
They just do. They toughen up like the men do.

>>95923650
>The geneseed itself is doesn't have dreams or goals, it's just an organ you implant in people and the Imperium is desperately short on it.

Modern CSM geneseed can, Lucius's apothsacary has to hunt down and destroy some very mutated geneseed organs.

>>95922052
I like this scheme

If traitor marines can use loyalist seed to replenish numbers than I-Belisarius Cawl should also be allowed to use traitor seed and Guilliman can shut up.

>>95923665
Ha! Women can’t be tuff you outrageously obtuse fool!

>>95923539
yeah

them and imperials

>>95923682
What about imperial guard regiments that are "martially descended" from the solar auxilia that fought alongside loyalists of traitor legions during the Horus Heresy?

>>95922803
Can't believe no one else pointed this out but don't ever take disintegrators on boats. They're way, way less useful than 6 additional dark lances.

mostly agree with the other anons advice besides that

>>95923696
decalfag pls go back...

>>95923705
I dodn't even think to comment that as everyone knows DE should spam dark lances

>>95921752
Flesh Tearers because they are cool

Fulgrite spoilers Erebus kills another character in the siege of terra.

The writers really use him to kill everyone

>>95923414
Yeah I'm not thrilled with their portrayal or any of the traitor legions for that matter. They should be unabashed evil cunts not anti-heroes.

>>95923749
dunno, ask /hhg/

>>95923776
They literally have the option of making like a deserter renegade chapter if they really wanted to. Make it a CSM detachment or something

If you die to Nurgle's Rot would you basically wake up as a plaguebearer in Nurgle's Garden?

>>95923796
Nurgle's Rot siphons your soul to Nurgle's Garden. The more you endure and resist, the stronger the Plaguebearer that will spawn from your death will become.

>>95923808
Yeah but YOU become one or is it just your soul is used to create it?

>>95923816
Most Plaguebearers are dimwitted and depressed beings that don't seem to recall any mortal life. So I don't think there distinction that matters.

>>95923789
Blackshields still exist in 40k, they just get sucked up by the Inquisition it seems. Would be worthwhile to explore the concept.

Which Primarchs would act like him? Would they cull Stratholme too?

>>95923850
He's basically Fulgrim

>>95923850
Lion comes to mind first.

what are some potential downsides to a turn system for 40k akin to that of Battletech and 2017 Apocalypse?
aka, players take alternating turns activating their units, and once all units have acted, the results of shooting and melee are resolved simultaneously, so that a unit cannot necessarily be obliterated before it has a chance to act, as can happen in IGUG and traditional AA,
how should phases look? The same, or condense them? Like, Strategy Phase, Movement Phase, Action Phase(condensing Shooting and Melee)?
I got my brain percolating about fixing 40k again...

>>95921752
Idk there are a lot to choose from. Maybe the Exorcists because of their general wackiness.

>>95921624 (OP)
FRENSHIP!

>>95923872
What's the point of alternating activations if the wounds don't get removed until the end for everyone? IgoUgo is faster at that point and with no downside.

>>95923901
IS MAGIC!

>>95923872
I like X-Wing's system where units had for all intents and purposes an Initiative stat which meant they moved in ascending order from lowest to highest, but shot in descending order. Since units in that game often had actions that allowed some adjustment of position post-move, it represented more experienced pilots being able to react to the moves of less ones quicker, and they shot first. If 40k were to adopt alternating activation which imo is a superior system that allows a lot more tactical decisions, the players would move units in alternating order according to Initiative, and shoot likewise, but I would force it to alternate between players for each activation aside from some abilities and special rules.

>>95923901
very nice, fren

>>95923931
Did you claim it fren?

A reminder to everyone that L-shaped ruins is a symptom to a problem rather than the problem itself.

>>95923938
I didn't, but another fren surely will.

>>95923911
And magic is heresy

>>95923749
Genuinely why the fuck hasn’t erebus been killed off yet? It’s not like he has a model outside of HH, there’s no reason to keep him alive

>>95923872
it balloons game length. Kill team which has alternating activations is still hours long.

>>95923984
True, but if 40k had alternating activation you might only need 4 complete turns to have a decent game.

>>95923979
Why would you kill the protagonist of the setting?

>>95923967
Ayyy fren, wanna stop posting it till another fren claims it.

>>95923977
No fren! It's just fun!

>>95923749
>>95923979
Kharn almost did it, then Erebus bitched out at the last second.

>>95923979
He's the coolest guy.

>>95921638
He'll yeah, borther [sips]. But they're all supposed to be Kill Teams.

>>95924042
That's Kharn

GWs days are truly numbered

Are tau the skaven equivalent of 40k?

>>95923708
Wrong guy and never!

>>95921638
I'd chill with the boomer, in my experience most of them are vets and tell cool stories about their time at war while talking about their individual minis.

>>95924010
I know this is /hhg/ territory, but remind me why this happened? This must've been something that made Kharn giga-angry because in any circumstance he would've just shredded Erebus on the ground right there and then.

>>95924059
Khârn is an emo mess of daddy issues, self-loathing and simping. Contrary to the memes he is not a cool guy.

>>95924066
No, and the closest with a wide margin of error are Imperial Guard. The point of Skaven was that they had weird anachronistic technology in a fantasy setting, but in sci-fi that doesn't really mean anything.

>>95923979
Word Bearers need a leader after Corax kills Lorgar and Kor Phaeron and it is revealed to have all been a part of Erebus's master plan.

>>95924084
If I recall right it was a duel, and Erebus ran away when he realized Kharn was going for the kill and it wasn’t some gentlemen’s agreement,

>Be Death Guard enjoyer since 3rd edition
>Mfw once again entering a period where my lads are being sold out because they are the current meta bait for waacshitters
At least i'll get a bunch of dirt cheap ebay rescues after the inevitable faq nerfs them.

>>95922885
Thanks Anon!
>>95922906
I wondered what that meant, I had heard it in a few batreps. I have not played since 5E so I am re-learning the lingo and rules. Thank you.
>>95922916
Saving this for later. I think I will grab three Combat Patrol boxes, paint those and build the rest of the army up piecemeal after that in case I lose the enthusiasm I have for it. I'll dig out my unread Path of the Dark Eldar omnibus and start reading it while I paint.
>>95923705
Thank you Anon, I was actually unaware of that fact!

>>95924089
it looks cool though. thats 99% of the justification for anything good in warhammer.

>>95924084
>Erebus kills Kharn's buttbuddy
>Lorgar tells Kharn about it to fuck with Erebus
>Kharn and Erebus fight a duel which Erebus loses in 2 seconds flat with the severing of his hand
>Kharn drags it out instead of killing Erebus on the spot
>Erebus magically teleports away
The meta reason is just that it's fanservice. Red meat for the B&C crowd circa 2012.

Silent King art from the upcoming new Dawn of Fire novel.

>>95924149
Oh yeah, that's right. Kharn had a friend in the Word Bearers that was a possessed and Erebus killed him.

>>95924086
cope erebus fellator

>>95924158
wow, looks like a necron.

Should I ever use autocannons over ectoplasma on WE forgefiend?

>>95924211
If you want to dakka dakka dakka with rapid fire 6, ye.

>>95924158
The Silent King is a boring character

>>95924221
I don't mind his characterization with the other triarchs in these mod voicelines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhGuBNFmJFc

>>95924066
No, genestealer cults are the closest analogues to skaven in role.

Sisters of silence proxies?

Xun'bakyr model or even just official art when?

>>95924221
Here is Roboute's art from the same book.
You're going to say the same thing about him, you hypocrite.

>>95923749
I mean, it probably does fit the most for Erebus to kill Barthusa

>>95924247
Damn dude looks stressed out

>>95924219
So horde armies?

>>95924247
why does this go so much harder than >>95924158?

I feel like the silent king should mog guilliman in art but they made him look so generic and the background is so much worse at making him look cool.

>>95924158
>>95924188
Do Necrons fans like the way their lords and characters look? I feel like they look extremely dull for how arrogant and elevated they are supposed to see themselves as. The Silent King in particular is a disappointment compared to some of his novel descriptions.

>>95924300
I always liked Zahndrekh, but he's legends now...
Szeras and Orikan continue to be the coolest Necron characters in general though.

>>95924084
Erebus betrayed Kharne's one and only WB friend who was one of the very first possessed

>>95924159
he was the first possessed and lorgar's favorite as well
that raging autist erebus got jealous and that's why he killed him

>>95924312
hey someone copypasted that negron on the left

>>95924300
Not a fan of the Silent King, it just seems like he should be head and shoulders above other lords in appearance. I also really don't like Imotekh's model update. I'm fine with the rest.

Wasn't the Silent King said to look life-like and not skeletal?
What happened?

>>9592165
Thanks guy.

>>95924349
GW modeling team barely interacts with the other departments, please understand.

>>95924312
this mogs >>95924158

>>95924356
>>95921652
No idea how I fucked that up.

Digital art and its consequences has been a great disaster on Warhammer 40,000

This is the best art of a Necron character (Outside of old but really good artwork of the C'tan)

>>95924376
Looks like an ugly MTG card

Hope they give EC more shooting in the future
I get their heresy era gimmick was studying the blade but you can be far more interesting in 40k
hellbrutes and predators with sonic weapons and detachments that favour noise marines a bit more would be cool

>>95924414
you won't get shit for the next 10 years

>>95924414
They sought perfection in all forms, it would make sense to have a little more balance.

>>95924414
GW has a boner for sticking to one archetype for an army and nothing else.
It took until recently for WE to get shooting profiles that make sense for them: Rapid fire but poorer BS.

>>95922106
JUST look at my cool dudes

I was just entertaining the idea of collecting muhrines but there are so many chapters to choose from and it's overwhelming. I don't care for named characters, nor I even want them.

Should I get an atrapos or a canis rex as an allied unit for an adeptus mechanicus army? With the recent points drop on the atrapos I've been leaning towards it, but Rex's 2+ on melee and range keeps me undecided. Anyone with any knight experience that could give their 2 cents?

>>95924468
I like the Riot Games orc. jk, lovely lads though.

>>95924495
play deathwatch and collect every chapter at once

>>95924513
Canis Rex is straight up the best datasheet in the game right now and even if it's nerfed will likely be an OK to good option in the future
That said if you're not a WAACfag the Atrapos is the cooler model

>>95924599
That's not a bad idea for 1000pts games. I can just field regular marines in Deathwatch but then it'd trigger my autism for not playing it proper via Kill Teams.

need input on veteran helmet options and dread patterns

>>95924638
You can also run deathwatch and not field any Kill Teams. The Deathwatch index is just another chapter for gameplay purposes. The upgrade sprue is pretty cheap from recasters too so you can get the special shoulder pads easy for your actual GW plastic.

>>95924641
I like the white dread and the black faceplate vets.
Feel like the orange helm is better for Lts and Cpts

>>95924652
A friend will grab a resin printer so I can just get Deathwatch shoulder plates as well as Mk7 and beakies for primaris bodies. I can ask around for helmets and other bits at my LGS as people are quite happy to share their bits so I probably won't need to print out helmets. I'm playing GSC currently so it'd make a good contrast to what I have.

>>95921652
>scruff companies
Thanks good to know someone remembers the silly little concept I thought up by ripping off irregular armies throughout history.

>>95924600
Thanks for the input, still not 100% decided but I'm swinging more to rex.

i think they should get rid of the 1 inch wall charge thing and make it so that you can charge through walls but it's fluffed as trying to hold a barricade so the defenders get the equivalent of cover

Then add a keyword for breaching that completely ignores it

>>95924756
What's funny is that that's what used to happen and that "grenades" were the breaching keyword you are talking about.
This was also in the era where cover gave you a separate save instead of a modifier.

>>95924641
1 for veteran
3 for vet sergeant
5 for lt
4 for captain

How many editions until the Corax one?

>>95924718
Based, welcome to Long Vigil anon. Hope to see your models here one day.

>>95924813
I hope he posts them to a more civilised place instead

>>95924221
>>95924300
At least they’re more interesting than the same generic boring space marines

>>95924813
Like I've said it's just an idea right now, I have about 1200pts of GSC currently so I'll probably get that to 2000pts before doing anything else though the prospect of 2000pts scares me with how many models you're gonna have them on table so 1000pts is just right.
From what I've gathered, GW doesn't sell Primaris Deathwatch models and you're supposed to make your own with the existing kits for stuff like Fortis Kill Team. I like the scale of Primaris marines but the old helmets mog them out hard. Deathwatch Terminators are the old kit as well but you can just make them with the new terminators.

>>95924718
Don't sleep on picking up some Deathwatch Veteran kits if you can find them cheap. It is a genuine JOY of a kit. Tons of bits and cool wargear, fully modeled chapter shoulderpads, cool headsculpts and a really cool unique power pack. The Veterans are also quite strong on the tabletop as well. It has some really awesome parts for kitbashing, in particular I love the dual wielding Blackshield and the necron phase sword.

>>95924798
Oh I like that, gives a good sense of continuity through rank paintjobs

Do Reaver jetbikes, Hellions and Wracks ever fucking come back in stock?

>>95924663
Thanks yeah looking at them all now I feel the grey dread with black sarcophagus cover feels more in line with the infantry paintscheme

Question to CSM players, what would you add to picture related for 100 points? Infantry only.

Making a small 500 points boarding action list, and I lucked out since the combat patrol box includes fluffy units for Word Bearers which are my favorite legion. But I'm still missing 100 points and not sure what to add, preferably cheaply. Perhaps two more mobs of cultists mobs to swarm the board?

>>95922619
You just sound bitter. I'd take a half-painted dad army over the zoomer blowing his parent's cash on greytiding the latest hot meta-list. At least the old dude can appreciate the time being spent to just hobby, most zoomers just seethe if they start to lose.

>>95924641
I liked the full orange+teal scheme more, all of these marines feel too busy

>>95924770
I like the weapon keyword system and I think adding more will be nice. It's a good way to differentiate some profiles too. Thunder Hammers could get it.

>>95924911
For 100 pts and boarding action, I'd just grab a character model and maybe an enhancement to make up the rest of the points cost. A lord on foot would slot in really nicely with your legionaries there.

>>95924923
You can't genuinely be saying his old scheme that had random teal and black all over with no semblance of ranking and clashing colors on the power packs looked less busy than this monochromatic new scheme
The old one was a textbook example of an overcooked donut steel scheme

>>95924880
No. Neither did the Tantalus until it went to Legends. Or the Voidraven Bomber or the Haemonculus or Lelith half the time. Not to mention all the resin they will never sell again.
This is part of the reason no one plays this faction. You literally can't fucking buy a whole half the army at any given time.

>>95925078
>The few times I am willing to part my money with GW
>They ain't selling it
I guess my chink contact and my favourite third party stores are getting money today.

>>95925078
>tyranid terrain
>it's fucking L-shaped city ruins

>>95924923
I like my original scheme too but 2 autistic years of trying to find or mix the right orange has driven me insane, and I don't really want to just settle for good enough for a custom something I'm going to be painting 2k+ points of lmao

>>95925169
And I could always say the grey+black+orange scheme is just an alternate company paintjob like th deathwing or th badab war alternate schemes

>>95925149
I feel L-shaped ruins is a solution to a problem that GW made themselves. It's insane how robust terrain used to be once upon a time to what we have now.

>>95925078
The Dark Eldar looks great

>>95925201
>>95925149
The L Ruins remain undefeated

I've not played 40k since around 6th edition, thinking of geting back into it. Is this edition enjoyable to play and are there still massive fluctuations in power levels between armies depending on who wrote the codex?

>>95925237
Damn that's some nice looking terrain

>>95925237
Always were

>>95925268
If that’s your concern, nothing has changed.

>>95925201
Is not an issue of the terrain itself but how units are remove when being shot.
If a single enemy model can be seen, then the entire unit can be wipeout.
This is something that did not happen in older editions, you could not kill things outside of your weapon range and sight just because you touch the nail of single model

>>95925275
Necromunda style terrain, it tends to look better but its not good for 40k.

>>95925297
Why did they change that aspect? I'm trying to wrap my head around what was the positive aspect of that.

>>95925336
easier for the mouthbreathing pond life who play this game to understand.

Confess.

>>95925345
One time I had a wank in a tent

When everyone though Deathwatch was getting squatted because of the new Agents codex last year I bought a bunch of DW models people sold off for insane value because of the dooming. I told myself I was going to strip and paint them myself, but I didn't. They are slightly worse than my own paintjobs and not at all in my style, but its easier to just leave them as is then paint them myself.

>>95925353
Ok

>>95925347
Was there anyone else in the tent?

>>95925345
One time I wanked on a guy in a tent

>>95925336
Shrimplification

>>95925345
I might have let warhammer dictate my life the past 2 years. I need more will power.

>>95924641
Left for the dread, and for veterans I think keep the helmet colours the same and add stripes

>>95925345
One time I wanked to two guys wanking in a tent

>>95925345
I hope the Votann get even more Destiny than before. I do this to make anons who oppose this unhappy because it amuses me.

>>95925382
I approve of your motives

>>95925382
Bazed.

>>95925336
Because 40k stop pretending it was a wargame when 8th dropped.
Before that you could at least still pretend it was one and not some overpriced boardgames.
Fucking OPR feels more like a wargame now and that shit was specifically made to be a game you play while the kids play at the pool and you are worry about the barbecue.

>>95925345
I’m going to try and make my own acrylic washes starting with a black acrylic wash.

Because I am a hopeless diy hipster.

>>95925297
The thing that honestly baffles me is not using base-to-base measuring for non-vehicle models as the basis(ha) for determining shots and LoS. Model your guys however you want, anything sticking outside the base doesn't matter.

>>95925345
At my day job attending to the blessed cogitators if a machine needs a restart and takes 2 seconds longer than I can be bothered to wait for it I force-shutdown without even reciting the Litanies of Harmonious Reactivation.

>>95925345
I still want more ice guns besides helfrost.

>>95925336
>Why did they change that aspect?
Because modern 40k rules are written by fags they hired from the tourney scene to write rules specifically to pander to tourneyfags and to make tournaments easier to run at the expense of every other aspect of the game.

Cheesy WAACfaggots used to abuse the line of sight rules with tricks like "rhino sniping" where they would line up two rhinos in front of one of their own units to block LoS to every other model in a unit except the one leader they wanted to snipe. It's just as cringe and obnoxious as it sounds.

>>95925435
RAWfags ruin everything don't they?

>>95925435
seems like an easy fix, just make it so you can draw los through your own units

>>95925268
>Is this edition enjoyable to play
I'm gonna be brutally honest with you dawg.
No, no the fuck it isn't. Having played at least a little bit of all 10 editions I can honestly say this is the worst one.

>>95925456
There are fixes, yes, but GW went the lazy route and just said "if you can see one model you can hit the whole unit" instead and now we have that crap that comes up way more often in normal games than the rhino sniping issue ever did.

>>95925456
>Hide unit behind rhino/landraider
>Can't be hit
>But they can hit you
Anon, you aren't thinking like a WAACfag.

>>95925457
And yet no one is willing to play anything else, why?
>Because no one is playing earlier editions
So it's a circular argument no one is willing to break?

>>95925461
Can't remember if it was just a GSC thing or it was a thing at some point. But there was a rule where that was basically "look out sir" and some other guy took the hit instead of the leader.
The issue was more with people using the rhino trick to snipe special weapons. You could also solve that by allowing any model to pick it up or just have snipers be the only ones that can pull that bullshit

>>95925475
Some people have a weird psychological block against playing anything but CURREN T THING. Some people have new models that don't have rules in older editions. Some people got into 40k by watching tryhard e-sports tournament faggots on youtube and think that's the entire hobby. All of these add up so that a critical mass of people are unwilling to try older rulesets and that makes it that much harder to get anyone else to try it because a lot of people are lazy and are mainly into 40k just because it's the easiest game to find other players.

There are groups that keep old editions alive, you can find them around the internet, but that takes a bit of effort and isn't an option everywhere.

>>95925475
Average 40kfag is allergic to non FOMO things.
Trying to set up 4th games has been a bitch let alone necromunda games.
At most I have manage to make them play opr

>>95925480
Everyone had Look Out Sir but GSC got a buff to it, yeah.

>>95925483
>Some people have new models that don't have rules in older editions.
I miss when GW encouraged homebrew units and even had systems like the Tyranid mutation chart to accommodate it.

>>95925497
Yep, but then Chapterhouse had to fuck things up, and then GW also realized that they could make more money by discouraging kitbashing and forcing you to buy more boxes to get the new units.

>>95924495
>I don't care for named characters, nor I even want them.
Based

>>95925485
How are you gonna expect someone to play 4th when they have no models from that edition

>>95925531
A lot of armies and their basic makeup hasn't changed. At most, there are more new units and bigger base sizes, but you can work around that. Even with Primaris all you would need to do is take your specific weapon squads (Infernus, Hellblasters etc.) and slot them in as special weapon options for tacs or devestator squads.

>>95925531
If people actually made balanced army lists starting with the units that are core to their faction identity they shouldn't really have a problem making a 4th ed list. Its not like ork boys or guardians or hormagaunts or necron warriors stopped existing.

>>95924495
>>95925519
>I don't care for named characters, nor I even want them.
The amount of batreps I have seen with people casually using Primarchs, Chapter Masters, Warmasters and other named characters is depressing as fuck. What happened to /yourdudes/? What happened to telling a narrative and carving a bit of space out for you and often your friends/rivals dudes?

>>95925531
Even gsc have rules there.
Literally a non issue if you are nor retarded

>>95925556
What do you think of converting a named character into a <your-dood> and using their datasheet?
It's hard for the loyalist primarchs admittedly.

I miss it so much, bros

>>95925568
I would say it depends on the situation and player. I have seen plenty of great conversions of characters for custom marine chapters -Calgar, Kantor, the Raven Guard dude who I forgot and plenty of others. People putting loving work into converting and customizing and making something original is great. Someone taking Calgar and just painting him red to use him, generally less so. Really depends on the opponent and the situation, again.
>>95925580
You and I both, Anon.

>>95925580
Every one whines about Troop tax, but I would rather see guardsmen or Necron warriors over shit ton of Leman Russ Tanks and Doomsday arks.

>>95925551
>>95925538
>>95925538
Alright bro let me just get my custo-
oh nevermind, let me just get my primar-
oh, never mind. let me just get my kni-
oh, never mind. Let me get my demons. I can run 3 greater demons in fourth right?

>>95925593
I never saw it as a tax, I always wanted to run Troops and I don't understand why you wouldn't. Kind of feels like if you don't like any of the Troops choices for your army, you don't actually like that army.

>>95925336
it's because otherwise there is an entire mechanic (Reviving models) that you essentially cannot use

>>95925607
>no custodes, no knights
Heavenly.

Primaris can easily proxy as firstborn units.

>>95925607
>oh nevermind, let me just get my primar-
Nigger I already told you that primaris can proxy into regular space marines just fine.

>>95925607
Good. Those things do not belong in 40k.
Primaris are just scale creep marines or for closet eldar players

>>95925616
????

>>95925622
...with the wargear?

>>95925637
Yes?

>>95925635
If you have it so you can only ever kill LoS units what ends up happening is that any army/unit that can revive units can just sit one guy in front and have the rest of the small unit behind and infinitely revive him to hold an objective forever

>>95925580
same
I'm hopefully getting back into games with the lads soon, might try see if they're willing to give older editions a shot

>>95925644
You do know you opponent can move things...

>>95925652

>>95925644
Then get around the cover to get at them then. If this problem is solved by the change, it is outweighed by the problems the change has caused.

>>95925622
>>95925619
>Hey, I'd like to use my big heavy gravis inter-
>"Tact marines now"
>How about my Infiltrator-
>"Tact Marines now"
>Can I try to use my skirmishing units like Reiver-
>"Tact marines now"
>What about my flier
>"no"

this is what people mean by backporting and then they wonder why nobody wants to play with them

>>95925652
you should tell that to the guy who bitches about his unit being seen because he doesn't know how to move properly

>>95925661
>>What about my flier
>>"no"

>>95925661
Well maybe if they want to play their super specific marines that they be a god damn adult and talk to their opponent about a proposed backport datasheet.
Fuck, I've got a backport of Dark Eldar and Necrons I use for 2nd edition.

>>95925661
>What about my flier
>"no"
as it should be

>>95925668
10th has another issue that was not present in older editions.
Single model being seen did not mean the entire unit could die. Resulting in this boring as fuck L shape terrain just to prevent it

>>95925661
>Heavy Gravis
Devestators
>Infiltrators
Scouts
>Reivers
Also Scouts

>>95925690
Scout with sniper
>primaris with sniper
Scout with melee
>primaris with melee
GW has made nothing new, they just sold marines with a different hat to marinefags and it fucking worked

>>95925689
I mean it did happen with templates, especially with shit like Riptides that would see a single marine then eldar psyker reroll and shred most of the squad

>>95925661
>>What about my flier
>>"no"
As God Himself intended

>>95925704
>6th corporate editions
Oof

>>95925644
So uh, move around the cover and shoot them or assault them?

You're supposed to be forced to move things to win games anon.

>>95925689
This was actually a really big thing when the Heldrake first dropped because it could shoot the template 12 inches away from the model and 360 noscope absolutely everything on the same side of the board as it.

God, I'm glad we left 6th

>>95925556
What happened to rules for including a custom warlord for my army?
I'm looking forward to the new vulkan model, but I'd much prefer to make my warlord a custom gravis librarian

>>95925726
>>95925714
>6th

>the marine fags are at it again

>it’s dead hours again
Oh well, and here I was, about to ask why custodes can’t wield psyker abilities.

>>95925801
I miss those days. The wargear section was like getting a Sears Christmas catalog, planning out all the cool Chaos Lords I could make and how to kitbash them.

>>95925839
>Emperor was the most powerful psyker to ever live and all of his success was thanks to his insane powers
>creates his personal bodyguards, superhuman gigachads that are even more elite and augmented than space marines and are supposed to be the closest things to himself
>absolutely none of them can ever be psykers, even though the lesser marines can have psykers
>Emps goes a step further and surrounds himself and his bodyguards with psychic null ladies that block out all psychic powers
What the fuck did he mean by this?

>>95925839
I dunno ask /hhg/

>>95923207
Make the plasma hotter.

Post fat imperial bagingis and bagongos

>>95925986
Only have elf tits, join the based side, we have 8 foot tall chocolate elf mommies

>>95925986
>>95925994
Kill all coomers

was re-organizing today and grabbed a photo of most of my painted infantry

>>95925921
How come none of the custodes were blanks?

>>95925986
Postan sexsassins
Imperial tits clear any other races tits

>>95926033
Are these the catgirl guardsmen with the sculpted pieces of poop hanging from under their skirts?

how do you guys get citadel paint from the pot onto a wet palette? i use one of the sides of my texture tool but i feel like a lot gets wasted

>>95925921
It begs the question if Custodes were meant to fade away after a sufficiently long time too and were another means to an end.

>painting some Space Marine characters
>do the trim earlier on in the process than usual
>it looks so much more completed and I’m more excited to paint a regular sized Marine
Damn I really need to structure the painting process better lmao

>>95925986

>>95926083
I use an old brush. I think a texture spread probably works better and wastes less though since it more than likely has a smaller surface areas. You could probably use a damp brush to wipe any excess off the spreader if you're worried about it

>>95926114
A good workflow can turn something nightmarish into something tolerable or even fun.

>>95926122

Wierd, freaky and emotionally codependent sex with Death Cult bitches!

>>95925608
>Kind of feels like if you don't like any of the Troops choices for your army, you don't actually like that army.
This.

>>95925410
>At my day job attending to the blessed cogitators if a machine needs a restart and takes 2 seconds longer than I can be bothered to wait for it I force-shutdown without even reciting the Litanies of Harmonious Reactivation.
Your tech sins

I’m interested in painting tau. Should I even bother until i get an airbrush?

>>95926218
If you want to do the normal red on white or ochre schemes yeah, else you can make do w/ drybrushing

>>95926222
(This was drybrushed)
Specifically
Khorne red
Mephiston red
Evil Sunz

new
>>95926224
>>95926224
>>95926224

>>95926222
I’m actually interested in doing the classic Orangeish look.

>>95924300
Some yes. I fucking hate the Silent King and the importance they've given this footnote and his boring ass model. I like Szeras, Anrakyr and the generic lords. I think Orikan and Trazyn are ehh, the problem is that they get BTFO by the new generic Chronomancer and Overlord models.
Also all the Skorpekh and Canoptek models are bad, too round and too bulky. Also Wraiths, Flayed Ones and Destroyers are dumb, so take my opinions with a mountain of salt because while my love for Necrons are immense its weirdly inconsistent and spiky