Is it true that Age of Sigmar has seen a decline in popularity?

>>95927814 (OP)
Yes. Unfortunately I've seen numerous Age of Sigmar fanboys shooting themselves in the head outside my local GW as they realise their sad, pathetic game is doomed. It's really annoying having to step over the bodies, and the guys in the store are having to work overtime to clean them up.

>>95927814 (OP)
No. Fortunately I've seen numerous Age of Sigmar beginners getting actual games in my local GW as they realise their chad, based game is blessed. It is really pleasant to greet all the new faces and the guys in the store are having more time off because it all sold out.

>>95927814 (OP)
yeah. Either everyone has what they need or they don't see the value in some of the new releases; maybe both. It's a lot less attractive than it was before fourth. At the local GW, the army boxes just sit and sit and sit until they get dumped into the trash. The scale and frequency of the flops are in such a place that only the higher ups actually know how bad it actually is. Imagine GW stores tossing thousands of dollars of brand new books, minis, and accessories for AOS, every single month and you will have a good view of how things actually are. It's a bummer because the kits are nice, but if no one wants to play it, it's basically just working on minis to never get games in with. I just chucked a King Brodd the other day because I was never going to finish painting him, he couldn't really go with my army anymore, and my hobby time is so limited that I'd rather focus on minis that I can actually play with in the future. Still love my gits and squigs, but their new releases look like boring brown trash, so probably just never going to build them and just feed them to the bin too. At this point, I'd rather just convert the ones I have painted to square bases because then I could get a TOW game in at least.

Biggest stand out issues are the stupid endless spells and the army books. Still isn't as bad as Underworlds though. No one and I repeat No One is playing new underworlds. It is completely dead, whereas AOS does still have tournaments and such.

inb4. AOS copers telling people us that we're wrong. Even the AOS fans have noticed it fell off a cliff.

>>95928133
What did 4th change?

>>95928133
>Imagine GW stores tossing thousands of dollars of brand new books, minis, and accessories for AOS, every single month and you will have a good view of how things actually are
[citation needed]

>>95927814 (OP)
I went into my LGS they were killing the Sigmar players with hatchets and boxcutters and everyone was cheering. Couldn’t say what this means for the health of the game tho

What is it about this game that inspires such seethe anyway

>>95928633
Cathay is going to inspire more seethe

>>95928633
its cringe

>Sorry anon, half your models are now outdated and no longer officially recognized, you need to buy this new range of mostly identical units in slightly different poses for your army to be legal
I wonder why

>>95927814 (OP)
> Be OP (massive faggot)
> Bored while waiting for Grindr match to drive up
> Make muh epic bait thread
> Grindr match (middle aged married white dude) arrives, starts pounding his ass
> OP checks his bait thread (still being pounded by middle age married white dude)
> No replies?!?!?
> Replies to his own thread to bump it
Tldr OP is a faggot

>>95928633
It’s the most soulless corporate setting every conceived

>>95928855
>be anon
>get triggered by a harmless question regarding his favourite game
>immediately start thinking and talking about gay sex
Hmm...

>>95928234
where do you think they go after they don't sell and they dissapear from the shelves??? They definitely don't get sent back to the Nottingham to be repackaged lol. That's spending good money on shipping after the bad money of a flopped product. Where do you think the books went for third? Where do you think the starters went after the switch from third to fourth? "My old dog went to go live on a farm" logic from people that are unfamiliar with retail. Whenever a new spearhead comes out and if there were 2 of the old ones on the shelves, those old ones get opened, the bases get saved and the sprues get binned. When army boxes are on the shelves for weeks and then they aren't, they got binned. Sometimes the shopkeeps will save a few of them, but they didn't sell for a reason, so it's not like they want a bunch of fugly barbarians either. Use your brains lol. Even third party stockists do this because a lot of times if people don't want stuff at 200, they probably still don't want it at 100 either. And when it comes to Stormcast, people straight up don't even want them at a 90% discount.

I can say with confidence that around 60 - 80 percent of anything with the words Age of Sigmar on it that went to a GW property or a third party retailer was or will end up in the bin. They are able to write off the full MSRP of the products as losses, so they help cook the books for tax purposes. And even then, those products did their job well of keeping the fantasy sculptors drillled and preventing others from entering the market of a 40k style fantasy game. Why do you think they gave away pallets of Skaventide at Adepticon? Because it sold so well that they made more to celebrate! Lol Santa isn't real mates. AOS is a mirage.

>>95928201
AOS isn't cool enough like 40K is to justify the paid rules. In addition, the endless spells and faction terrain just need to be removed completely. AOS is more expensive to get into than 40k for a game that is less popular.

>>95928633
Some people make gw their entire personality

>>95928633
stormfags are lame in a way space marines can never possibly approach - turbo autists that teleport around as lightning and every time they die just reappear even more brain damaged and gay than before. And they're so lame GW couldn't even come up with anything for them at all - they don't even have a catchphrase or anything. "For sigmar" is just a warhammer fantasy version of "For the Emperor of mankind 40k" and absolutely nobody gives a fuck about sigmar, because unlike the Emperor of Mankind, Sigmar did not create 18 badass primarchs with interesting differences and half becoming badass villains. Sigmar is so boring nobody reads a single book about him, while the 40k Emperor gets 70+.

And with 20,000 releases for stormfags for no reason whatsoever, they created so many unwanted stormfag units that GW themselves had to delete 1/3rd of the army customers had already paid them for and built.

It's telling that 100% of attempts to make a stormfag video game have flopped harder than a marvel girlboss movie. It's an IP of exactly zero value. Warhammer fantasy no longer even existed and came out with 2 hit video games (vermintide and total war warhammer)

GW doesn't have to copyright strike smegmar videos off youtube because nobody makes smegmar videos. Fans will for free create entire gorgeous 40k animations like Astartes or funny series like Emperor TTS, but you'd have to pay somebody to make smegmar content because the lore and setting are completely worthless (floating infinite-size fagrealms in space with zero world-building because infinite size guarantees that nobody will ever give a fuck about a smegmar city like they would about 40k Cadia or Armageddon or Mars)

Some of the sculpts are fine, the sculptors should have made them for Warhammer Fantasy instead. The new skaven, new lizardmen, new chaos warriors, new darkelves, new highelves, new woodelves, all of it could've stayed WFB.

>>95928633
It's a waste of time, money, and resources to design a million new books and kits just for them to feed the bin. And this is from the company that is getting rid of plastic bags to save the environment. They could have made new space hulk and Mordheim instead of lesbian barbarians and the fugliest skeleton warriers and goblins on the market.

>>95927814 (OP)
GW squatting a lot their Stormcast lines does not help. Especially since many of these miniatures were only a few years old.

>>95929182
the bad thing is that this was a good decision for them financially. These models literally didn't sell at all, so they were somewhat obligated to get rid of the molds because the maintenance and storage of the molds literally was worth more than any amount of profit they could ever hope to make on these. Because they look like shit and their story is shit.

>>95929182
So basically all first generation fatcast?

>>95929238
What makes them think the next generations of Stormcasts will sell after they had burned their original customer base? Their former customers could have moved on to 40k or even Old World.

>>95929182
They just made so fucking many of these things in an attempt to introduce space marine popularity to the setting.

yes

4th edition is ass, old world siphoned off the weak willed grogs who never wanted to play AoS but did so because they're pussies who are only willing to play supported GW games, and unlike 40k, AoS has no secondary engagement to get it through tough times.

>>95928633
It could be said that killing off your classic setting in a widely despised event was not a great way to endear people to the new one

>>95927840
This is obviously bullshit, because I have never seen anyone at a FLGS clean up after anyone.

>>95927814 (OP)

Unfortunately yes. We were promised support if we bought into AOS and instead we're given scraps like a few spearhead boxes and an Idoneth Deepkin character. We had a 25 person escalation league in 2019 but now I can't find an AOS game anywhere. At my LGS it's always Kill Team, 30K, a few 40K guys, and a couple smirking Old World guys in the corner.

The middle-aged reactionary incels won. They whined for 10+ years and actively sabotaged our game at every turn and now they're being given a whole new army that won't even gel with their existing range of 30 year old miniatures. The Cathay range is a much better match for the aesthetics and inclusivity of AOS and if that isn't enough GW is starting to steal armies from AOS to put in TOW like the Beasts of Chaos.

>>95928201
The price.

>>95928993
Sigmar is more fun as a character in WFB than in AoS.

>>95927814 (OP)
No one actually knows unless you can see GWs books, and anything someone posts, especially on this site, is to be held to scrutiny in the very least.

>>95929182
>evocator
>sequitor
>vexillor
>veritant
>....
who the fuck comes up with all these trash same-y names and designs?
don't get me wrong, I don't blindly hate AoS, I can even accept sigmarines as alright thematically, but what the fuck

>>95927814 (OP)
It's true, they're canceling it next week

>>95930149
>steal armies from AOS to put in TOW like the Beasts of Chaos.

Beasts of Chaos was a WFB army first, this is a liberation.

>They whined for 10+ years and actively sabotaged our game at every turn
'Your' game began by wrecking and closing down our game. If AoS had been started as brand a new game in a brand new alternate universe and hadn't killed off WFB on the way in there would never have been any ill will. Instead, you crowed over the demise of WFB, and are now seeing the consequences of that hubris.

>>95929182
Genuinely a terrible choice that probably alienated a bunch of casuals, many of the models squatted were in the starter box when GW had its lockdown sales boom or in that subscription magazine.

>>95930149
over-egging the pudding tbqh

I just love seeing AoSfags get their comeuppance after years of gloating about how WHFB was a flop nobody wanted.

>>95930873
>that subscription magazine.
Almost ALL those got binned. The butthurt and loss of trust is considerable.

>>95931465
>AoS box OP falsflags about outsold Indomnious
>ToW falls out of top 10 sellers in USA after just a few months of existnace (after debuting at 6th behind both 40k and AoS)

>>95931523
grand cathay just sold out. tick tock

>>95928201
They removed morale and cut the spell lists in half. Thats is mostly, sucks for me because i play a caster heavy list where my chaff units justified their cost by being high morale. Oh well

>>95931630
Took it a while, Crimson Court disappeared in 15 minutes when it was released.
I guess Underoworlds was what? 50 times more popular than tow is now?

>>95928633
Fantasy players won't face reality and admit that Fantasy died because it didn't sell and that AoS is far more successful than it ever was and currently selling much more than TOW too.

>>95931652
Whitefang lied about the success of Skaventide. Reality shows it flopped very hard. A limited time box still available everywhere and with discounts up to 30% just to move the flop of a box ( it’s isn’t moving at 30% off either )

>>95927814 (OP)
The only people I see pick up aos now are painters because at least some of the the models are pretty

>>95932121
>posting this again
>when TOW is doing so well it's brand new army is selling out WORLDWIDE

>>95932924
Very cool, let's see sales numbers

>>95932938
Selling out is sales numbers!

>>95927814 (OP)
Yes.
Spearhead was the only hype for the new edition but ultimately there's no reason for anyone to actually pick up the game after the spearhead enjoyment wore off.
The new edition is actual dogshit, zero marketing, they're not doing any big releases or new factions that get the attention and sales like what they're doing for 40k, Old World and 30k. Age of Sigmar has no marketing power like 40k and Old World do, Total War and Vermintide put Old World back on the map. When people think of a fantasy Warhammer game they are going to think of total war and therefore Old World. Age of Sigmar never broke into the mainstream and likely never will.
Another truth is that there were indeed a ton of people like this >>95929534
People who got into warhammer during that big popularity explosion during covid, many from total war, who only got into sigmar because that was the only game available that had the fantasy models in it. Now that those models are all slowly leaving the AoS range for Old World those guys are just going to head on over to the setting and game they wanted to actually play from the start. Nobody but a very small audience wants to play the actual Age of Sigmar exclusive factions like idoneth deepkin or fucking lanky swamp orcs, the truth is that tons of AoS players are just coping Old World fans. Look at how many AoS players go on and on about wanting WHFB characters and factions added into Age of Sigmar rather than trying to think of new ideas for the setting for proof of this claim.
Age of Sigmar is likely gonna die within the next decade.

>>95932121
I buy sigmar models and then buy square bases on amazon, and I think most old world players do, at least orc, vampire, skaven, chaos, and lizardmen players all do basically be default.

>>95933004
Indeed, smegmar fans keep forgetting this one. I wouldn't be surprised if 25-50% of sales for "age of sigmar" branded lizardmen, ogres, skaven, skeletons, giants, dark elves, chaos warriors and night goblins/trolls have been people purchasing for Old World, especially the legacy factions like dark elves and ogres who might be more than 50%. How well do stormfags and kharadron redditors actually sell? I'd imagine not as much as the "generic fantasy" factions smegcucks kept saying were bad designs back in the day as cope.

>>95933004
Guess what, lots of people buy Cathay for CoS

>>95933062
Kharadron are actually really popular for Necromunda

I wonder how long it will be before GW drops the "World's Greatest Fantasy Miniature Game" slogan kek. They might even start slapping it onto TOW boxes instead.

>>95933202
you mean 40k

>>95933083
>Guess what, lots of people buy Cathay for CoS
I don't have a dog in this fight, but fucking hell man, you're desperate. They've been out for all of 5 minutes

>>95929947
>>95927840
>>95928949
Holy shit my sides

>>95933216
It's also a dumb shit argument because the arcane journal (the rulebook for Cathay) also sold out.

Putting it this way feels like borderline buzzword posting, but AoS feels “wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle,” Cities of Sigmar as an Imperial Guard analog really demonstrates this. Guard has Cadians, Krieg, Catachans, and Attilans as variants to represent some of the different cultures across the Imperium, while serving as a reference point if you want to brew your own dudes. Despite the Cities of Sigmar spanning multiple realms and having diverse cultures according to lore, only the Freeguilds represent humanity, alongside a shrinking list of minis of other races being sent back to TOW.
TOW, despite being a single world, and hyper focused on Fantasy Europe, has a greater diversity of human factions on display, between the Empire, Bretonnia, and now Cathay. If Cathay really proves itself a success, that opens the door for possible miniatures representing other parts of the world. Hell Kislev apparently even has design documents drawn up, they just seem spooked by making a new faction (though I imagine Cathay will change that)

>>95932121
Fantasy was being mismanaged at that point. Several popular "good guy" armies (Bretonnians, Dwarves and Wood Elves) had been left unsupported most of both the 7th and 8th editions while pretty much every 7th edition Army got an update within 5 years and the last time a new army was added with 10 years prior. Players of unsupported armies drifted away and there were no new armies to attract new interest.

Is it any wonder that Bretonnians were one of the first armies announced for TOW? Especially considering their popularity in Total War?

>>95933641
I think you’re kind of retarded anon.

>>95933641
Brets are not popular in total war. They're nearly as neglected in that game as they were in the tabletop.

>>95933690
Not being meta doesn't equal not being popular.

>>95933704
They still werent popular on the tabletop, like, ever. For good reason too

>>95929182
Its genuinely pathetic how desperately GW tried to make Stormsharts into "Fantasy Space Marines", year after year. AoS mightn't be dying a slow death if they actually focused on other factions, ones that people like and are more organic than those fat fucking retards. This is what happens when suits take over the creative aspect of things.

>>95933720
At this point it's an insult to Stormcast to compare them to Space Marines. Soace Marines will always sell out though with how retarded their fanbase is

AoS is gay
Fantasy is gay
You are gay

You already have this thread going >>95898776

>>95929182
>They squatted tons of stormcats
>The available unit list is still more than 2 pages
>Meanwhile some other factions still can't fill half a page
Squatting stuff is bad, but bloating stormcast wasn't a good decision either so there is no really good choice to do here

>>95933958
Half of those "squated" stormcast were just re-releaed in 4th edition starter set with refreshed kits.

>>95929238
Lying larping schizo fag

The "maintenance" expense for a steel mold is zero dollars + no minutes of labour. They do not get rid of them. That you would even TRY to larp that after we've just seen then pull out WHFB molds that are old enough to get drafter and fight in Iran...

I do wish I knew your origin story, schizo. Slighted WFHB player and clinger of 6th? A TOW pioneer? Or simply a 40k supremacist?

Whatever the truth, AoS is garbage, so good luck with your lie piles. o7

>>95930723
they're roman inspired, so at least they TRIED. But I feel bad for whoever has to come up with the names because there are only so many greek or roman roots that you can add 1 of 3 agency suffixes to. And making them too greek or roman without the respective culture or aesthetic showing through the army would piss off the balding beared redditors.

>greek inspired names but square shields and no helmet crests?? WTF?!

It wouldn't be an issue for an army that has like 20 datasheets but SCE had such a bloated range that it's really nobody's fault aside from the lawyer's who insisted they have trademark-able names. It's been going on with space marines for years since the primaris marines' arrival. Every single different weapon option has to have it's own sprue and kit and name.

I honestly blame the whole chapterhouse affair for intensifying GW's kikery.

>>95934036
Chapterhouse is exactly what did it.
It affected 40k and was one of the reasons they just killed Fantasy rather than renaming things

>>95934075
>>95934036
the lawsuit was just a result of jew workshop going public shareholders mad over losing pennies so they nukes an entire half of the setting

Im not gonna trust an esl

>>95934296
Fantasy was nuked for several reasons, but poor sales was the main one.
If it was selling well we would have still had it, but it would have been had official names of Franzkampfempirsteinen, Druchii, Lustrianosaurus etc to make them copyrightable

>>95927814 (OP)
No, it is popular as it ever was.

>>95928201
>squatted a huge chunk of Stormcast Eternals and the entire Bonesplitterz and Beasts of Chaos armies
>removed tons of options for armies in artifacts and spells
>new rules for army list creation put a stranglehold on creativity
>removed ALL fluff from basically every unit when it comes to rules. Most rules are “roll a 4+ to see if this ability actually does something”
>strip down subfaction rules and remove all fluff from those as well. No more named subfactions, it’s just generic rules to staple on
>named characters are the only heroes with any kind of interesting rules to incentivize running a bunch of named heroes
>endless spells are free, so you’re almost forced to bring them. but you’re also limited to choosing a group of spells and not cherry picking your preferred spells

I’m sure there’s plenty more I’m forgetting but basically it’s a straight downgrade from 3E and they’ve been backpedaling hard by releasing paid DLC books that wholesale rewrite rules for a bunch of units to try and course correct. Ultimately AoS is never going to make a comeback until 5E

>>95934876
Why did they make such shitty changes though? Its hard to see how there was any sort of demand for what you listed. I don't get the impression that the WAACfag tourney scene has much of a stranglehold on AoS as it does 40k.

>>95934887
Misguided belief that the playerbase wanted streamlined WAACfag rules I guess? Apparently 4E rules are more similar to current 40K rules and I keep hearing that everyone hates current 40K rules, so I have no clue why they would pivot toward that. Felt like I constantly was hearing during AoS 3E that AoS was the best GW game and 40K should take some notes but now I don’t hear about AoS at all unless they’re talking about Spearhead. Just a complete blunder

>>95934887
What's strange is that many of the rules, like unit abilities failing to do anything 50% of the time, lack of artifact/trait options and abysmal list building are the exact opposite of what competitive players want to see in a game because outcomes end up being highly random rather than being determined play player decisions and there's no room for army list innovation.

It's an edition made for nobody. Except of course it has probably done quite well at retail because Spearhead. I've seen a shocking amount of people who've never expressed interest in aos before buy more than one Spearhead box in the last 6 months.

>>95933083
cathay look like a sigmar army with those fuck huge sentinels and balloons, much better use of the models than seeing them in my game so more power to you

>>95933062
with the bigger bases in ToW it's also a lot easier to use sigmar stuff, the bigger bases are just nicer even if you're not gonna play tow desu, 25s dont tip over all the time like 20s, and you don't need to memorize or mark a rank pattern with your guys. A nice snug formation looks cool, but so does actually having enough gap to look at the individual models

>>95928633
GW set up a directly adversarial relationship between Old World fans and Age of Sigmar fans from the start, I don't know what they were thinking.

>>95928949
>I can say with confidence that around 60 - 80 percent of anything with the words Age of Sigmar on it that went to a GW property or a third party retailer was or will end up in the bin.
I hope this is true because it sounds hilarious. The Atari guide to success.

>>95930723
>who the fuck comes up with all these trash same-y names and designs?
Easy to copyright.

>>95935349
It's not true and you can tell he doesn't interact with a gaming community outside of the internet.

The idea of 3rd party stores throwing out product is so funny and out of touch. Those cunts literally pay for product out if their children's porridge fund, they will hold onto it for 30 years if it's not selling, as long as they're not down to the final square inch of shelf space in their store.

>>95935031
>>95934887
It reads to me that GW management put a big emphasis on new player onboarding, many of their games are putting in an underdog mechanic now and getting away from book keeping mechanics. It looks like spearhead was always the big focus with the indexes being a rush job compared to 40k, the tell tale sign is the tomes added nothing, while even early codices had new detachments.

I dunno if the tow posts are just two people trying to bait each other or if someone is just dumb enough to be mad about AOS but still give the exact same company money for tow after killing their game off.

Tbh if I were a tow fan I'd prefer the game stay as a specialist game to avoid shrimpification of rules.

>>95929458
Most of the 2e stuff as well

>>95932121
I've never seen a miniature in the wild from this chart not from Bones, Sigmar, 40k or Warmachine. Who the fuck plays or buys that other crap?

>>95929182
>liberators
I don't play AoS but aren't those the basic bitch troops

>>95934020
did you buy any of these models, dude who is off his meds?

>>95935747
scumbad stores probably keep a bunch of outdated stuff around, but a good store had to toss all of the books and rules for 3rd when 4th dropped. The books alone were hundreds of dollars worth of merch. And Stormcast often do not move at any price. Trying to get your money back on a POS box of ugly minis that nobody wants at 75% off; sometimes it's easier to just toss them to make room. Stores of all sorts do this type of thing all the time.

>>95942143
yeah, they got new models like half of the units mentioned in that article.

>>95928633
You are retarded

>>95932121
Low iq child, throw your tantrum elsewhere

>>95934695
Look another retard