Thread 95930441

Why is there a "Raise Dead" spell but no "Undo Rape" spell?

>>95930441 (OP)
You should be able to do do it with two spells: Regenerate (to restore hymen) and Modify Memory (to remove traumatic memories).

>>95930481
or preemtive Charm to make the vicim consent

>>95930481
>Regenerate (to restore hymen) and Modify Memory (to remove traumatic memories).
Congratulations, you just turned rape baby into immaculate conception, hopefully people won't form some sort of cult around it. Again.

>>95930531
this poster is a semite

>>95930441 (OP)
You can't undo dinosaur rape.

>>95930441 (OP)
Fetish thread

>>95930441 (OP)
Because life is fleeting, but a good rape is forever

>>95930441 (OP)
If I kill someone and they are raised from the dead, am I still a murderer?

>>95930481
i want them to remember, that's the whole point

>>95931072
Yes? Just because you perfectly repair an object to its original form, it doesn't mean it wasn't broken before. It happen and unless you have time magic, nothing will change that.

>>95930441 (OP)
That you again, Virt?

>>95931072
>Attempted Murder, honestly..
>Are they giving out Nobel Prizes for Attempted Chemistry?

>>95930441 (OP)
Wish?

>>95930441 (OP)
Why is /tg/ obsessed with rape.

>>95931492
>>Are they giving out Nobel Prizes for Attempted Chemistry?
Bitch, they actually might. Since 2009 Nobel Prize can be awarded for "extraordinary efforts" even when there's no tangible result.

>>95931518
From the Greeks with swan rape to Victorian vampires being an allegory of raping the innocent to 50's pulp magazines and fantasy stories having the concept be such a common occurrence it would be weird not to see at least one story that has it in somebodies book collection, rape has always been a constant part of media and entertainment for shock and pleasure. It's kind of strange how modern times is so disgusted by it honestly.

>>95931745
Virt, your obsession with rape isn't normal and your belief that rape is common across all media and history is baseless and retarded.

>>95930531
Actually, immaculate conception refers to Mother Mary being conceived without original sin, because Catholics don't like the idea of a perfect God's avatar coming from an imperfect woman.
Which means 1. Mary never really had a choice in the matter, and 2. the Catholic God is able and willing to make people without original sin but *prefers* we inherit original sin for some reason.

>>95931774
>your belief that rape is common across all media and history is baseless and retarded.
I bet you think it is with homosex.

>>95931812
The guy with the blatant rape fetish declaring that actually rape was common and widely accepted across history and media is actually quite a bit more like the faggots who insist that every greek was an avid homosexual, despite every term the greeks had for homos was a pejorative or a slur, than not.

>>95931844
Well, I can tell you one time that rape wasn't common and wide spread in history. The medieval ages. People had God and those that didn't wanted to keep their skin because punishment for rapists was some of the most brutal shit imaginable. Ironic considering that most people think otherwise because of fantasy pulp novels.

>>95931844
He kind of has a point. Many things that modern sensibilities call rape were seen as socially acceptable just few decades ago (such as getting your date drunk to ease her up). But the brute force kind was frowned upon as much as it is today. Zeus got away with it because he's a damn god.

>>95931745
>why people hate rape

retard

>>95930441 (OP)
Worldbuilding questions have their own general.

>>95931072
Yes, but in a world where murder can be easily fixed, it's no different from breaking someone's car. I'm surprised that people don't think about how that would affect morality in these settings.

>>95931780
Allow me to rephrase. By restoring hymen and erasing memories of the event, without addressing possibility of pregnancy, the healer may create what would be perceived as virgin pregnancy. Sure, not every virgin pregnancy is immaculate conception, but it is perhaps the most famous example that even non-believers will know through cultrual osmosis.

this is a weird thread

>>95931745
>It's kind of strange how modern times is so disgusted by it honestly.
It's violent, hurtful and often leave permanent scars on the psyche.

On the other hand I sometimes think if some women treat rape as the most vile thing a man can do, worse even than a murder, because that's what makes it hot. If a man wants her so much he doesn't care for social rules, law or morality and just takes her she can't really be more desirable than that, right?

>>95930481
fpbp

The third edition Book of Erotic Fantasy had 'Innocence Renewed', which expressly erased all mental/physical/spiritual effects of a violation and made the beneficiary a virgin again.

>>95931745
Mate, you don't even know. Like half of written fanfiction smut, and that's being conservative with the number, is rape based. And I can pretty confidently say that's mostly consumed by women too. Like actual women. Don't try to argue with "ick" brained geniuses.

>>95931774
>Virt, your obsession with rape isn't normal
let's see
>game of thrones
has rape
>that one series based on bernard cornwell books where the guy rants about bebbanburg or whatever
has rape
>star wars
now has rape thanks to andor
seems to me normalfags love rape as drama.

>mythologies all around the world
totally full of rape
>fantasy books
except for the ones really aimed at kids, fantasy authors love having rape or attempted rape as plot points, Conan has sex slavery, aforementioned Bernard Cornwell has the main waifu of the protagnost in his archer series be raped by some noble prince. Made me drop the series desu senpai
>fantasy animanga
goblin slayer is still around for some reason despite being complete trash

So, in conclusion: Is rape common and accepted in media? Common, yes. Widely accepted? Well it is always considered a Bad Thing. Hack authors love using it to add drama though.

>>95935089
Virt, this is fucking pathetic. Seek help.

>>95935120
>no arguments
>blames le boogieman
*sigh*
thanks for conceding I guess. That's what I get for making argument with citations and well-founded reasoning on modern /tg/.
I do know you will just greentext and >imply the reasoning is flawed but I know you won't provide a counterargument because you have none.

>>95935153
Your debate club shtick doesn't hold up, faggot. The FATAL thread was bad enough.

>>95936160
>no arguments
>blames le boogieman
*raises paw*
You really think that everyone who disagrees with you is the same person?
*hides under the random insults thrown at the wrong person*

>>95930531
You roundhouse kick them in the gut before you do the regenerate. It's only single target so the fetus still dies.

>>95930441 (OP)
Did a thread like this really need to be made

>>95930441 (OP)
That was one of the miracles of St. Brigid of Kildare

>>95930441 (OP)
There's not much physical damage to undo unless it's very rough or spread STDs or caused pregnancy

>>95930441 (OP)
Time Travel is the only way to do that, death is a state of being, rape is an event, once it's done it's done no matter how much healing occurs, it still happened.
Raise dead doesn't undo the fact that you did die, it just undoes the effect.

>>95930481
>to restore hymen
but that's a myth thoughever...

>>95935089
Rape is an underlying subtheme due to seeing it is what drove Goblin Slayer mad and took Sword Maiden's vision, it only really shows up in the first volume of the LN as an audience breaker.

>>95934441
Rape is worse than murder because there are situations in which we can justify killing someone else. Self defense or someone being so rotten and evil that the world is better off without them. Rape on the other cannot be justified, it is a crime which occurs merely to satisfy the selfish lust of the rapist. The quintessential turning of another human into a means to an end.

Every hypothetical I have heard to justify rape has to make ridiculous fantastical scenarios and even then they fail. Things like "Oh what if a man had a gun to the head of you family and will kill them unless you rape someone." or "You are poisoned and the only cure is having sex in the next 3 minutes". Something that does not occur in real life and in the scenario puts the blame on some outside being. At absolute best rape can be done as a form of torture, meant solely to bring pain and humiliation on someone without revelling in it. But torture itself is also never really justified.

Torturing someone for doing evil is pointless, it isn't going to undo the crimes they committed, all it does is satisfy ones own sadistic ego. If one is truely evil the right course of action is to swiftly and efficiently subdue them so they cannot commit anymore, anything else is wasting time and reveals one does not truly care about maximizing good and minimizing happiness. The only scenario tortures seems justifiable is when some form of information has to be drawn from someone. And even then it is debateably effective and probably should only be a last resort.

>>95941566
I can think of a load of justifications for rape, they're just all pretty contrived.

>>95941566
>Rape is worse than murder because there are situations in which we can justify killing someone
Is smoking better or worse than murder? It is endangering health and lives of not only one person but everyone around you, merely to satisfy the selfish cravings of the smoker. Surely something like that cannot be justified, unlike murdering someone.

>>95941566
>Rape is worse than murder because there are situations in which we can justify killing someone else
A situation where it's justified is not a murder. I would say murder is the worst thing because no matter what, it ends a human life. Rape is horrible and disgusting, but you're alive by the end of it. Murder is an abrupt, sudden, and unfair end of human life.

With that said, obviously I'm NTA and rape is never justified, but I count murder as far worse.

>>95943345
>I would say murder is the worst thing because no matter what, it ends a human life.
By that logic rape must be least bad because it (sometimes) makes a human life.

>>95930441 (OP)
Theoretically, any form of basic healing should heal a hymen tear, meaning women in any deep magical setting are constantly re-virginizing. Beyond that, it's just a matter of a forgetfulness spell to counter the trauma aspect.

>>95941566
>doing evil things in media is.... le bad!
>Everyone needs to be morally grey so I can justify my own shitty world views as not being completely evil
>Unless its a hecken racial supremacist, they can just be pure evil with zero redeeming qualities.

>>95943569
Don't strawman, it makes you look ridiculous.

>>95943874
That's no strawman.
It's reductio ad absurdum.

>>95931844
There's a big difference between "actually rape was common and widely accepted across history and media" and "actually fiction featuring rape wasn't much more taboo than fiction featuring other crimes until very recently"

>>95943596
>Theoretically, any form of basic healing should heal a hymen tear,
Depends, is it considerd body part damaged or body part lost?
Generally speaking basic healing can restore body part damaged (eg. mangled finger) but only advanced healing can replace body part lost (eg. cut off finger).

>>95930441 (OP)
Raise Dead spells don't undo murder, they just reverse the physical consequences of it (and any good system should have downsides to constantly dying and being resurrected). A spell that undoes the physical consequences of rape would likely just regenerate any possible internal injuries, cure any sexually transmitted diseases, and induce an abortion. This would normally be possible in D&D with 2-3 spells, depending on if the spell that heals injuries also cures diseases (and it would be possible in 1 spell if all parasites were considered diseases)

RAW it's possible to be raped by a red slaad (which applies a disease in 5e and earlier, but is considered a curse by 5.5e for some retarded reason, probably because diseases don't really exist in 2024 without DM Fiat), and then cast Heal. The heal spell cures any damage caused by the Slaad's claws penetrating you, cures any diseases contracted from the slaad (including diseases the Slaad itself had), and kills the Slaad egg. Heal is the "Undo Rape" spell for the only gameplay instance of rape in 5E.

>>95946481
Frick, the spoiler hid the filename. This is probably a lot less funny now.

>>95930441 (OP)
... You can unscrew a lightbulb.

>>95930441 (OP)
I mean if we're talking about D&D there IS in fact an undo rape spell, it's called Heart's Ease and it washes away all forms of mental and emotional trauma.

>>95930531
Hymens aren't tamper-evident seals you fucking incel.

>>95934441
I am once again reminding anons that (in general) women have a ravishment fantasy, NOT a rape fantasy. She wants to be "forced" by a man she would already choose anyway, at a time she was already somewhat aroused. In the few cases where the target of her fantasy is notable for being dangerous, she wants him to be dangerous only in a way that spares her from any consequences or lasting harm.

This is a very important difference to understand, especially when most women can't articulate it themselves.

>>95946827
That's literally what it's for, thobeit.

>>95946919
I know women with honest-to-god-hold-her-down-while-she-screams rape fantasies..
Like yeah by the stud of her dreams not any fat fuck, but that goes without saying.

If i raise dead an aborted fetus, does it go back to the womb or does it come back to life and die again?

>>95947167
nothing happens, it's not a living thing and most of its skeleton is cartilage.

>>95947167
If you revive an aborted fetus it would just be revived in the spot you found it and then die again due to not being in an incubator. So you're essentially reviving something just to kill it.

>>95947409
>>95947553
What if i place it back inside a woman? Could i make a forced impregnation without intercourse?

>>95947642
precision teleport?

>>95947642
You'd need to have a pretty finicky surgery and implant the placenta/umbilical back, right? And you'd need to make them from her genetic material otherwise they would be rejected by her body.

>>95943569
https://youtu.be/M26wmKY-e3I

>>95947409
It was literally alive in the womb you retard. Don't bring politics into discussions about objective reality.

>>95947991
>>95948008
I feel like this is 100% possible with the addition of other spells like regenerate.

>>95948008
>And you'd need to make them from her genetic material otherwise they would be rejected by her body.
not necessarily, there's a thing called gestational surrogacy where woman carries genetically unrelated baby

>>95935083
no it isnt half of fan fiction you just look it up all the time because you are a coomer.

>>95941264
rape is in goblin slayer because the author wanted to publish his spank bank.
because he is a gross fucktard.
no it isnt normal
literal close up panty and thigh shots while sword maiden unloads her trauma.
the torment is what he gets off on because he is a shitlord.
no it isnt grim and grounded the victims of goblins have nothing to eat, they are crucified half the time, there is no physical way they could live let alone keep a pretty figure with healthy skin and provide the nutrients for anything to grow in them.
its retarded fetish bullshit.

>>95941937
As much as I hate smoking, everyone innately knows the difference between smoking and rape. Anyone who didn't would probably end up as an equivalent to some parody of a zealot who kills ALL sinners, even the ones who flicked a lightswitch on the Sabbath or some shit, beyond all reason.
>>95933830
In a setting where you just resurrect any random guy who has died, yeah, that would likely affect morality. However, most of the time, settings usually don't allow you to resurrect people with impunity. 5etools says you need a 1,000 gp diamond per resurrection. World of Warcraft only has free resurrection for players while notable NPCs/characters tend to stay dead whenever they die. Warhammer Fantasy resurrection is a very rare thing, one example perhaps being verdant apotheosis, to the point of making it more of a suspicion of something evil happening than a topic that would affect people's morals. I imagine there's a breakpoint where the ease of resurrecting the dead will only THEN start to affect morality, but anything below the breakpoint would be niche.

>>95947642
You're being retarded
Not because of the morality, but because you lack ambition
If you are already tampering with the natural forces, and life gave you plenty of lemons to try your retarded experiments, why not go beyond, and do some stupid shit, just to see what happens?
Like, idk, pull a fucking Beast Master (the movie), and shove the human fetus inside of a cow, to see if the baby grows up with the ability to magically tame all kinds of animals
Go crazy

>>95948432
It's a pretty cool story about PTSD, I don't see why you have to be so mad about it just because you're a coomer.

>>95948501
>everyone innately knows the difference
how is that an argument
everyone innately knows the difference between murder and rape as well

>>95941566
Would you rather be raped or murdered?

mod thread

>>95948501
It's always stupid to put a price on resurrection and not making it extremely complex and arcane. Like if you have to travel to the ends of the earth and please a demon and sacrifice your firstborn, sure. But if you're like "yeah it'll cost 25k but we can put it on an installment plan" then there's problems.

>>95930494
what if he already used charm to make a consenting victim not consent

>>95930441 (OP)
Because raise dead is the restoration of life to a previously medically dead organism, while undo rape would involve the erasure of an event from the passage of time.

>>95948526
NTA, but it depends on a couple of factors really.

Is the rapist a girl or a guy?
Is he/she cute?
Is it penetrative or forced to penetrate?
Is it like a violent rape (hot) or like a drug rape (less hot but still hot)?
If it's penetrative and violent do I at least get lubed up a bit?

Is my murderer cute?
How are they going to kill me?
How depressed am I feeling that particular day?
Are there any sexual elements to this murder (hot)?
Can I request sexual elements to the murder?

Answer these questions and I'll be able to give you a definitive answer.

>>95948638
it's today, now, you get bend over, spit on ass and get fucked violently, you don't even see your rapist

or

you get shot right now in the back of the head

>>95948651
Hmm not terribly realistic scenarios really.

You mean to tell me someone's gonna go through the trouble to rape me and not even like dirty talk or make me look at them. What's the point of raping if there's no dominance and show of force. You didn't even tell me if it was a guy or a girl. Kind of gay honestly.

Also this killing is way too impersonal if I'm getting killed by a serial killer (awesome). They gotta have style. What am I here? A cartel victim or something.

Overall 2/10 I'll take the bullet to the back of the head if they call me pretty first.

>>95948671
>not even like dirty talk or make me look at them. What's the point
because that's their thing, stop kink shaming ok? not cool man
dick seems pretty natural so you can assume it's a guy

>>95948691
Hmm

Alright bullet to the head, but they call me pretty and give me a hug from behind and a kiss on the back of the head first. And hold my hand.

Final offer

>>95948733
I'll run it through the gang management and see what I can do

>>95947167
If it's not viable for it to actually live as it is, I doubt there would be any point casting raise dead on it. It's effectively missing organs vital for its survival, so the spell just fails.

>>95948432
The faggot who gets all his opinions from twitter finally showed up.

>>95946930
It's just some residual skin growth left over from the mechanism that creates a hole. There is no greater meaning to it.

>>95930441 (OP)
Don't you just have to say "Surprise Buttsex?"

>>95955599
That only works pre-emptively before J-j-j-jammig it in. And only for doing it in the butt.