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June 23rd in Military History:

1266 – War of Saint Sabas: In the Battle of Trapani, the Venetians defeat a larger Genoese fleet, capturing all its ships.
1280 – The Spanish Reconquista: In the Battle of Moclín the Emirate of Granada ambush a superior pursuing force, killing most of them in a military disaster for the Kingdom of Castile.
1305 – A peace treaty between the Flemish and the French is signed at Athis-sur-Orge.
1314 – First War of Scottish Independence: The Battle of Bannockburn (south of Stirling) begins.
1532 – Henry VIII of England and Francis I of France sign the "Treaty of Closer Amity With France" (also known as the Pommeraye treaty), pledging mutual aid against Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor.
1565 – Dragut, commander of the Ottoman navy, dies during the Great Siege of Malta.
1594 – The Action of Faial, Azores. The Portuguese carrack Cinco Chagas, loaded with slaves and treasure, is attacked and sunk by English ships with only 13 survivors out of over 700 on board.

1757 – Battle of Plassey: Three thousand British troops under Robert Clive defeat a 50,000-strong Indian army under Siraj ud-Daulah at Plassey.
1758 – Seven Years' War: Battle of Krefeld: British, Hanoverian, and Prussian forces defeat French troops at Krefeld in Germany.
1760 – Seven Years' War: Battle of Landeshut: Austria defeats Prussia.
1780 – American Revolution: Battle of Springfield fought in and around Springfield, New Jersey (including Short Hills, formerly of Springfield, now of Millburn Township).
1812 – War of 1812: Great Britain revokes the restrictions on American commerce, thus eliminating one of the chief reasons for going to war.
1865 – American Civil War: At Fort Towson in the Oklahoma Territory, Confederate Brigadier General Stand Watie surrenders the last significant Confederate army.
1913 – Second Balkan War: The Greeks defeat the Bulgarians in the Battle of Doiran.
1914 – Mexican Revolution: Pancho Villa takes Zacatecas from Victoriano Huerta.
1919 – Estonian War of Independence: The decisive defeat of the Baltische Landeswehr in the Battle of Cēsis; this date is celebrated as Victory Day in Estonia.
1941 – The Lithuanian Activist Front declares independence from the Soviet Union and forms the Provisional Government of Lithuania; it lasts only briefly as the Nazis will occupy Lithuania a few weeks later.
1942 – World War II: Germany's latest fighter aircraft, a Focke-Wulf Fw 190, is captured intact when it mistakenly lands at RAF Pembrey in Wales.

It is 267 years since the Battle of Krefeld.

The Battle of Krefeld (sometimes referred to by its French name of Créfeld) was fought at Krefeld near the Rhine on 23 June 1758 between a Prussian-Hanoverian army and a French army during the Seven Years' War.

The Hanoverian Army led by Ferdinand, the Duke of Brunswick and brother-in-law of Prussian King Frederick the Great, had driven the French led by the Comte de Clermont back across the Rhine. Ferdinand's own army had crossed to the left bank of the Rhine and was now in a position to threaten the frontier of France itself. The Battle of Rheinberg fought on 12 June proved indecisive. Clermont, who had recently replaced the Duc de Richelieu in command of the French army, was attempting to stem Ferdinand's advance. He chose a defensive line on the south side of a walled canal running roughly east and west. Thus the walled canal constituted a sort of natural fortification that Clermont thought would be easy to defend.

The allied Prussian and Hanoverian troops led by the Duke of Brunswick seized the initiative, attacking the entrenched defensive French forces. After feigning an attack against Clermont's own right flank, Ferdinand executed a wide flanking march, crossing the canal out of sight of the French and emerging from a wooded area on Clermont's left flank. Clermont, who had just sat down for a midday meal, was late in sending reinforcements and, as a result, his left flank was crushed.

The Comte de Gisors, the popular, charismatic, only child of the French minister of war, the Duc de Belle-Isle, was mortally wounded while charging at the head of the French Carabiniers. The Comte de St. Germain, who commanded the French left wing, was nevertheless able to put together a sufficient defense to prevent a complete rout, and the French army retired from the field in relatively good order.

The Erbprinz, son of the ruling Duke of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel, who later died of wounds received at the battle of Jena during the Napoleonic Wars, particularly distinguished himself commanding the allied flanking troops. Clermont asked to be relieved of his command after this defeat, and his wish was granted. He was succeeded in command by Marshal de Contades.

For this entry, I have copied wikipedia verbatim, it was a conveniently concise article. However, a much more detailed article can be found here:
https://www.kronoskaf.com/syw/index.php?title=1758-06-23_-_Battle_of_Krefeld

The nature of Krefeld, with its decisive flank march, offers a challenge to the scenario designer and umpire, even if the participants are all naïve to the battle. Two solutions are offered below:

First, the chap behind the Din of Battle blog simply chose to focus on the flank attack.
https://dinofbattle.blogspot.com/2017/10/syw-battle-of-krefeld-1758.html

Second, Angus Konstam of the Orkney Wargames Club ran Klein Krefeld from Charles S Grant's (w Phil Olley) Wargaming in History Vol. 1, a more manageable version of the larger battle.
http://www.orkneywargames.com/the-battle-of-krefeld-1758/
The scenario special rules dictate a lack of action from the main French body until well into the battle, though such an effect may well be achieved other ways.

Disguising the battle as another is an idea with a long history, and remains not an uncommon suggestion for such famous battles.
Presenting one or both players with a number of command decisions prior to the battle would be a way to alter the scenario potentially dramatically, adding uncertainty and replayability.
A more modern rules system may well have robust command and control mechanics that may be tinkered with to reduce the chances of the French centre activating.
A theatrical host might lead a naïve group of French players out of the room for a snack while the Allied players redeploy;
Finally, one last simple option would be another "what if", with Clermont being attentive, aware, and more responsive.

The nature of Krefeld, with its decisive flank march, offers a challenge to the scenario designer and umpire, even if the participants are all naïve to the battle. Two solutions are offered below:

First, the chap behind the Din of Battle blog simply chose to focus on the flank attack.
https://dinofbattle.blogspot.com/2017/10/syw-battle-of-krefeld-1758.html

Second, Angus Konstam of the Orkney Wargames Club ran Klein Krefeld from Charles S Grant's (w Phil Olley) Wargaming in History Vol. 1, a more manageable version of the larger battle.
http://www.orkneywargames.com/the-battle-of-krefeld-1758/
The scenario special rules dictate a lack of action from the main French body until well into the battle, though such an effect may well be achieved other ways.

Disguising the battle as another is an idea with a long history, and remains not an uncommon suggestion for such famous battles.
Presenting one or both players with a number of command decisions prior to the battle would be a way to alter the scenario potentially dramatically, adding uncertainty and replayability.
A more modern rules system may well have robust command and control mechanics that may be tinkered with to reduce the chances of the French centre activating.
A theatrical host might lead a naïve group of French players out of the room for a snack while the Allied players redeploy;
Finally, one last simple option would be another "what if", with Clermont being attentive, aware, and more responsive.

>>95933943 (OP)
And oops, forgot the previous thread:
>>95868663

Other options I considered highlighting today, Bannockburn is a classic. Plassey offers some interesting considerations for scenario design, with politics, subterfuge and a convenient rain storm crippling the Indian plans. The Mexican Revolution is largely untapped by wargamers.

Ilusat võidupüha!

I had a wonderfully unexpected encounter this weekend. I stopped in at my local flgs and saw that the historical gaming group was having a game so I went over to talk to them. Only 5 guys, boomers and Xers, very pleasant and nice to chat with. I told them that my current addiction is 6mm WWI airplanes when the leader of the group, an older boomer lights up.
>Do you live in XYZ town?
Yeah ..?
>Did you order a bunch of airplanes from MFD Luftwaffe 1946?
Yes. How do you know that?
>I just mailed out your last package with a note to come play with us here! I make those airplanes! That's my company, it used to be a lot bigger but these days we run it out of my garage!

I had a delightful chat with the man all about airplanes and minis, owning a miniatures company and all that. I asked him to bug his sculpter if he'd be willing to sculpt a Moraine Saulnier L parasol for me, and he's going to email me a PDF of his 2e revisited Hostile Aircraft rules. What are the fuckin odds that my little airplanes are made locally? I'm going to bring my painted birds next time they game and see if I can't get some games in with those guys.

>>95934609
That's pretty cool, anon. Nice that you've got a good local.

mr. blue and red is sir william Philip. irl guy. cant tell due to size constraints but the little yellow figure on the shield is interesting. a falcon or a bird of some kind with a lion's head. wonder if there is a name for it?

>>95926765
15mm indeed, it's from WargameZone in Etsy.

Im liking how the brass chainmail lining turned out

>>95935793
fug

I'm trying to find some references about the equipment of ww2 german security divisions on the eastern front. For example, did their vehicles use similar color schemes as the regular front line troops?

>>95936144
>For example, did their vehicles use similar color schemes as the regular front line troops?
Yes. But they tended to be equipped with a lot of hand-me-down and older equipment. I've seen photos of anti-partisan troops with MP20s, MAT49s, plus PPSH and other captured Soviet weapons. Uniforms tended to be the same as their parent branch, either Heer or SS, but they'd go heavy on ad-hoc camouflage. Used a lot of calvary, a lot of captured obsolete armor like French tanks which were better suited for lower intensity security operations, and had a fair amount of locally recruited collaborator troops. Hiwis, cossacks, etc. Some of these units were kinda a hodge podge mess and I find it pretty interesting. I've got my own project on a shelf right now.

>>95936399
Thanks! I was wondering about older/obsolete german vehicles that they would use, would they retain the older grey colour scheme or repaint them according to the later yellowbrown colour (in 1944, before Bagration)?

Some frosty terrain my kid helped me with.

>>95936798
I've seen a few in grey and in tan. I'm not sure what orders they would have had in regards to camo or paint. But captured vehicles, especially if they were soviet, tended to have a lot of extra or much larger and dramatic balkenkruz to prevent friendly fire.

What are some historical wargaming red flags or things that make you roll your eyes?

I'll start
>WW2
>Napoleonics in 28mm
>Warlord Games

>>95937914
>WW2

Bigger than 40k

>28mm Naps

When you learn howmuch building to building fighting happened and how lots of small actions took place particularly in the Peninsula, it makes sense

>Warlord Games

Not a fan od Siocast but truthfully these guys are a better source of rank and file than most people realise. It's your command sections anf forward ranks that qre going to get the most attention. A Warlord starter. Gives you enough for skirmishes and kitbashes for years.

Then there's Epic Scale, too many minis for me and people whine about the scaling but why would you need. Ore than what comes in those boxes? Both exaggwrated 12mm and truescale 1 5mm work alongside them anyway

>>95934609
Fantastic. I'd like to think you manifested it with the progress you made.

>>95935802
You keep smashing these out too.

>>95937914
What makes me roll my eyes is you ignoring the thread question in order to start shit about the same topics you picked up from the general and wore out years ago. I do see you've added WW2 snobbery to the list at some stage; from my experience IRL this is an opinion that's exclusive to aspirational historicals players, and people that have only been in the hobby for a short while. It doesn't take long to realise that the popular eras get the most attention from rules writers, which means the best writers tend to have systems in those eras, and there's more choice of modern and/or inventive systems. Honestly, you couldn't be more obviously nogames if you broke down and finally just admitted it.

>>95939720
Lol maybe so, I should ask him next time I see him if I can buy and then go pick them up, instead of paying postage and shipping. All my frogs as well as my DH2/1916 brits came today. Time to get to work on some frenchmen!

Eww they're trying to talk history on /awg/, it's like going into /his/ or /int/, utterly revolting

Earlier tonight I was at my LGS and got tempted by a Wargames Atlantic starter box called Baron's War. But I'm currently resisting temptation, because I have no capacity for new games right now, and I've heard mixed things about the models. Even though painting up some medieval dudes sounds fun.

>>95940965
WGA has some haters at the moment, akin to warlord there's some legit gripes but also a whole lot of retards using it as a personality replacement
some of that has bled into the Barons' War system, seen people making out like it didn't blow up with the kickstarters
as always, good or bad, take what you read with a grain of salt

>>95941018
Generally WGA has a good strike rate. Be great if they did 1894-1905 Japanese as promised.

>>95941162
>Be great if they did 1894-1905 Japanese as promised
What do you want to do with them?

>>95940965
Barons War is a decent game but I personally wouldn't buy the shitty starter box. The Footsore Miniatures Barons War range is so superior to the generic WGA Barons War stuff, it's not even funny. Also including Monty Python style peasants is downright insulting. Also the terrain is really dumb... Piles of trash? Why?

>>95940635
I'm the one who started ranting about Rothschilds and perfidious Br*tish in /awg/.

>>95940965
>>95941018
Barons war starter set is a really good deal if you like the models AND want to play barons war
Personally im not interested in either ( i bought their foot knights right before victrix announced theirs, and victrix blows WGA out of the water IMO, and Barons War only irks me because of the less conventional playstyle and the use of d10's)
If you dont like the barons war minis then victrix's are really good and of the same time period, and if you for some reason just like the models then you just have more options buying them separate and not getting all the extra stuff for BW

>>95941162
>>95941184
Theres still quite a few promised WGA kits that have yet to release, though theyre atleast making some progress with that
Personally im hoping they do a cold war line but chances are they dont and just put those resources into moderns/post-apoc since they're already releasing those civilians/survivors and have other moderns being tooled

>>95941229
I don't care about the game system in particular and am not committed to any one medieval game, so it's good I didn't buy it. If I get the autism compulsion to build some medievals I'll look into other companies and compare

>>95941220
>Piles of trash? Why?
Because there's some lovely filth over here!

Started working on the first batch of 6mm T-34s.

>>95941252
Wrong shade of green.

Finished all my Russian VDV, now I'm getting started on the Ukrainians. Zoomed in for this pic the camo really looks like dogshite. It doesn't look too bad in real like at tabletop height, but I still wish it came out better. I might forego the bank and make the rest all look mismatched flat colors like the one on the right

>>95941184
Use them with my Boxers and WW1 Russians

>>95941340
why not just get other manufacturers?

>>95941252
Good shit anon!
Just don't label them as T-36's like I did...

Any plan for rules?

>>95941567
Thank you, anon. Yours look fantastic!
Homebrew set for rules.

>>95941261
What exactly is wrong with them? They look dark but that's the issue with small models, need to lighten them up. The drybrush pops this way though.

>>95941278
Looks perfectly fine. I mean, the point of camo is to be a bunch of jumbled up colors. I end up having the opposite problem. As I add each layer of camo I can't help but think it looks like absolute dogshit, and only once I add the final layer does it all come together for me and I end up satisfied.

In Lion Rampant can I have a unit that's a mix of armored and unarmored figures? Like some wearing chainmail and helmets and some wearing just helmets? In Saga hearthguards are 4 figures and warriors are 8, so if I put them together that would be 12.

Also, I'm a part of the Saga Thorsday discord, is there a discord for Lion/Dragon Rampant?

>>95941871
yes, LR makes no distinction for what an individual figure looks like

Except for /HWG, is there a forum or group worth visiting?

>>95942184
No group is worth visiting

>>95941818
It doesn't look as good as the YouTube tutorial I watched so I'm not satisfied

>>95941278
>>95942635
Looks perfectly okay, Anon.

Got given this Cromwell to go with my British 8th Army. Were they still using Caunter in Italy? If not, what paint scheme would be appropriate?

>>95942650
Wrong shade of paint on that Cromwell.

>>95942657
I can't tell if you're serious or memeing on the posts upthread.

>>95942650
>Caunter
Only in Sicily and early in the mainland, then had a brief period of brown and green but had transitioned to full khaki by mid 1944.

>>95942679
So I'd probably be fine just matching this preserved one? I ask because a bit of googling tells me Khaki can be either green or brown depending on who's talking.

>>95942699
I think you'd be fine.

>>95942699
My grandpa was in a Daimler Dingo scout car, part of a recce troop with the 5th Canadian armored division, 8th army during the Italian campaign. I'd love to see you do one up!

What are the best options for a 28mm cold war wargame? ive looked into FUBAR but it doesnt actually have any cold war rules, ive also looked at BattlegroundHD but from a cursory glance the game seems like the wrong kind of crunch-y
If theres not anything too good i might just have to homebrew something for bolt action

>>95942767
Got a lead on an STL or a 1/56th scale model kit?

>>95942801
Bolt Action has Korea, so you've at least got very early Cold War

>>95942801
Force on Force

>>95942824
>>95942801
Also, it really depends what you're looking to game, the 1980s is obviously very different than the 1950s

working on horse archer unit

Better view of my full 5 man unit of heavy cav

>>95941278
I should start a Russia/Ukraine project so I can kill Ukikes on the tabletop, since I'm too old to do it irl

>>95943135
Hello Ramjeet

>>95940965
The minis are technically fine but nothing to write home about. A lot of options when it comes to equiping them with lots of extras so that's good. But I'm staying with my metal barons war minis but I will get victrix stuff too in the future. Also, fuck the metal footsore shields. Never dealing with that shit again, ordering the plastic shields from victrix instead.

Anyone got some interesting conflicts(real or alt-his) for the 1850s-70s?
I got a small 10mm Union, Confederate and British force, plus some unpainted Russians, was gonna get some French too plus some Sioux. Not sure what do to about Mexicans but I might test out converting some stuff

>>95944384
The Crimean War is pretty cool.

>>95944384

Second Crimea, but sounds like the French invasion of Mexico is right up your alley

>>95945107
>>95945479
Crimean war is definitely something I'll do, I'll keep it skirmish level tho, Baccus bought a lot of the 10mm historicals from Magister Militum when they closed down recently, that's where my Brits/Russians are from, could also do some Great Game stuff with them
French Invasion of Mexico is definitely something I want to do as well, to go along with a British intervention in the ACW or a Pig War gone hot scenario

>>95942828
>>95942824
>>95942810
>>95942810
im definitely looking for closer to 1980's cold war than korea or nam.

>>95941278
Those look good anon, and thanks for reminding me about my own 28mm ukraine project.

Finished this grimy supply vehicle for my 1945 germans

Peasant in captured armor by Steel Fist Miniatures, from their German Peasants War range.

Hopefully the eyes turn out okay when I become brave enough to try to finish them. You paint all this other stuff just to have him come out looking all wall eyed like Steve Buscemi. I guess some minis are just destined to be Steve Buscemi coded. Thats how she goes.

>>95951053
Still tweaking a few things but it's about where I'm gonna call it done.
>>95950531
Very nice weathering job. I like the bed load stowage too.

>>95942801
Isn't teak Yankee cold war? I think it's like 1987.

>>95944384
There was Sipahi Rebellion, Afghan Wars and Opium Wars. Not really sure if you can find any rulesets to play relating to these conflicts, but I am no expert.
Mahdi revolt and Boxer rebellion happened around year 1900, but these are interesting conflicts too.

>>95951053
nice basings, the subdued colors on the model are also nice.

Ok finally finished my Full 100 year war Army for oathmark play. 50 models total. Thought I still have 4 more models to do if I want to play lion rampent (oathmark has 10 foot units base and 5 cavalry base, while lion rampent is 12 unit foot and 6 units mounted) Im pretty happy with how it turned out, got the banners all up. Though might make a few more one, for the archers and another for the cav.

>>95952592
I hate iphones

knights/men-at-arms unit front

>>95952618
and behind

Why naval people doesn't like early anglo spanish wars? Looks way more interesting than the latter conveyer belt tactics of latter eras which the known games don't even bother to emulate.

>>95952606
>>95952618
>>95952628
Really nice work mate, it's been great to see your progress.

>>95952871
There aren't as many good novels set in them. The later age of sail has Horatio Hornblower and the Aubrey/Maturin novels plus their many many imitators, so people who are into the books get into the wargaming.

>>95950531
The shade is a little off

>>95951053
Looks excellent, I love Steelfist Minis. Eyes are always a problem, I would just leave it how it is. I bet it looks good from tabletop height

All present and accounted for.

>>95954111
Just waiting for the opposition to turn up

>>95954111
How nice of you to diversify your army and include a few streetshitters to represent modern UK society

>>95954177
We went over this like two threads ago, are you just unable to see a punjab without crying about it?

>>95951121
team yankee is 1985 but includes stuff post 1985 as part od WW3 breaking out so experimental and in development shit got rushed out.

its 15mm though


>>95954177
>anon includes colonial soldiers in his army because its a cool nod to how britain use massive amounts of them IRL
>some sperg just cannot stop reeing about how it was unhistorical because segregation but is perfectly fine with the entire rest of bolt action not having perfectly 100% historical organization

>>95954500
Do you think he'd still be mad if I used only Indian infantry?

>>95954544
100% even if you found an indian regiment that fought in north africa and modeled your army accurately after it.

1944. At the urging of their allies in the Confederacy, the British 8th Army has been deployed to the Pennsylvania front to engage the US Army

>>95952871
Anything outside of Napoleonics and ADW tends to be a bit niche in age of sail.

Spanish Armada is kino AF, love me some race-built galleons. I really like early age of sail - wish I could do some kind of Northern Seven Years' War campaign some day, even if we don't have that much info on the battles of the period. One of the first conflicts with the larger anti-ship cannons on both sides

Anyone ever bought one of the WGA resin prints? They cover some armies that we usually don't get plastic for. Kind of sad that instead converting those STLs to plastic molds they are making figures for a 40 year old show about the Napoleonic wars, one of the most covered eras.

>Major
>Persuant to your orders, my men set out from our landing zone in Montreal and southward, relieving a portion of the 18th Indian Division which had captured the small town of Burlington on the shores of Lake Champlain. There, we were engaged by a Union raiding force. The forces under my command consisted of my own rifle platoon, a half-section from the 18th Indian which insisted on staying behind, a section of 25 pounder guns from the Royal Artillery, a universal carrier platoon from the Motor Regiment, and a single Cromwell tank from the 7th Armored, apparently the sole survivor of the platoon assigned to take the town.
>The American raiding force consisted of a platoon of Army Ranger infantry, clearly veterans of the fighting along the Mississippi valley, as well as one of the Union' "Hellcat" tank destroyers, and two armored cars of unfamiliar design. While their intention was clearly to push my forces out of Burlington before we could truly settle in, the artillery section under Lieutenant Kyle was already established, and were able to suppress much of the American infantry. The Union Hellcat was able to destroy our Cromwell, but one of my own mortar platoons were able to destroy it in turn, dropping a shell into its open-topped turret which ignited a fire. The enemy were not able to overcome the mix of fire from my own rifle platoon and the close support of Lieutenant Kyle's 25-pdrs.

>>95955280
>I would like to bring to your particular attention the meritorious service of private Jacob McMillan of the Motor Regiment's carrier platoon, who, despite the death of his loader and the destruction of his carrier, singlehandedly closed with a machine-gun armed Union armored car and destroyed it with his PIAT. This action is in the finest traditions of His Majesty's Army.

>>95955244
They make things that sell. Some of their STL files have been translated into plastic based on download numbers already

>>95955288
>Following this engagement, much of the enemy were able to retreat, but two full sections of Union rangers, pinned in a home and a church by the Royal Artillery, surrendered to my troops. Immediate interrogation revealed that they had been tasked with retrieving an important delivery which had arrived at Burlington by boat and had been intended to deploy against the 18th Indian when they originally arrived. My men immediately proceeded to the harbor to secure this delivery before it could be lost.

>>95955301
>There, still secured as deck cargo for shipping, we retrieved a platoon's worth of the American medium walkers which have proven so effective against our allies in the Confederacy. Per Genl. Montgomery's standing orders, these walkers have been sent northward to Montreal under escort. Details of their shipment have been attached.
>I have the honor to be, et cetera, et cetera
>Lieutenant Robert Miller
>British 8th Army
>May 14, 1946

>>95955244

I've their ottoman infantry, the set was good despite one error on the krug backplate (there should've been another mirror on the back, not a smooth surface). The proportions are a bit on the heroic side, for me it's an acceptable compromise between historical accuracy and "readability" from tabletop distance.

>>95955312
Do you think they'd blend in the a unit of Vitcrix?

>>95955342

I am not into napoleonics nor do I have any victrix miniatures yet, so I can't say if they'd fit or no. Based on pictures, the details on victrix models are sharper and the poses more dynamic than WGA models (for all other periods than napoleonics, that is).

>>95955355
I'm not into napoleonics either. It would be darkage/medieval.

How should I base 1:2400 ships? Just use base sizes that fit? I have no idea what rules to use, anything from larger actions to 1v1

>>95953191
Thanks! Its been a big motivator to post and get feedback on here. I dont know If I would have got through it otherwise.

>>95955615
I used balsa wood, then glue ship down and applied filler or a mixture of PVA + Baking soda to get a wave texture.
Size wise around 1" by 2.5" bases, but whatever works for the ship size. If the rule set uses tokens you might want some space on your bases for tokens.

Can have a look at War by Sail, or Close Action if you want something more hex based and in-depth. Fire as She Bears is also popular, or maybe Black Sails for something very arcadey and not really taking into account actual ships sailing. I think most of these are in the OP folders

>>95956272
Did I say Black Sails, I meant Black Seas...
although Black Sails was pretty cool.

>>95955228
Which game systems do you use for that?
Im not interested in meme history systems for example fow or bolt vs battlegroup and COC if you know what I mean, historical games should resemble history.

>>95956334
>guy who really wants to track fuel evaporation for his trucks that don't have gas caps

>>95956340
I'm allergic to systems where a tiger tank has extra movements because the maSSing powers of the blietkrieg memes.

>>95956360
But a unit's speed is as much about doctrine and training as it is equipment and conditions.

>>95955355
Victrix while being very good I'm noticing get kitbashed a lot with minis that have softer details but more robist parts like Gripping Beast. I think some of the scale autism that is bandied about here is overstated.

>>95956397
Keep your shitty game to yourself.

>>95956397
>A tiger tank can go faster speeds than a T-34 or Sherman because of training

>>95957901
And?

>>95957901
Whom are you quoting?

>>95941586
There is nothing wrong with that. Literally every single plant that made them had another shade of green, and depeding on where and when they were painted over, so as long as it is SOME shade of green it's historical enough.
Of course that means that you SHOULD even have some slightly different shades to mix and match.

tl;dr: That other anon is a retard

>>95957928
the guy i fucking replied to? flames of war has tigers and tiger IIs being some of the most manuverable tanks in the game.

>>95960114
Flames of War seems to just be run by wehraboos, from what I've gathered

What is the last game (You) played, and when was it?

>>95960134
Bolt Action, last night. >>95955280

Was fun.

>>95960124
take one look at any of the soviet rules and its quite obvious, they literally couldnt even have them be the mongol hordes people depict them as because most late war german lists run more soldiers than the soviets.

The IS-2 is a great example because its 122mm gun has the same AT performance as the german 88 found on the Tiger 1 and it has substantially less front armor than the Tiger II despite only having 15mm less hull armor (215mm compared to 200mm) and 85mm less turret armor (185mm to 100mm) in real life and also theoretically the IS-2 should be able to penetrate the king tigers turret.

>>95960134
Took my airplanes for a spin this past Saturday. Played a very roughly converted FFoL starfighters game and lost again. It was fun none the less. It's becoming a meme with my gaming bro. I lost every war game we play unless I sit in his spot at the table, that's the only time I won.

I gotta get some paint on my French planes! I've been distracted all week!

>>95960201
The dislike people have for Flames of War is fairly played out, much like Bolt Action. It's just a source of cheap miniatures with a jumping off point to Rommel or Chain of Command. The conversation has been had, last time I checked, /hwg/ is minis agnostic.

No minis manufacturer is perfect, which is why I'm resorting to mixing manufacturers because Gripping Beast might be derpy or soft on detail in some kits, and Victrix has excellent faces and bodies, the former has weapona and an ability to be ranked up.

You are supposed to find something you like, muddle through and tell us how it went. I'm so bored of people whining about companies who do an ok job most of the time and require you, the modeller and player, to be a bit creative to make it work.

>>95956334
That's War by Sail, it's a good balance of historical accuracy and playability. I did a ton of research when writing it (I remember reading a 300 page typewriter written PhD thesis from the 1970s on ship cannons from the Spanish armada or something)
Can do all sorts of interesting tactics from the period like box hauling and cutting your anchor, but it's all tracked pretty simply. Wind direction is pretty important and ships handle roughly historically, with some ships less suitable for sailing into the wind

>>95960114
Yeah that's nonsense, if anything tigers should have the possibility of breaking down more than other tanks in the period. Panthers too we're notorious for breaking down, and early models liked to have their engine catch fire on the way to the front lines

>print panther turret for a project
>realize I don't need it
>late war static turret acquired
That was convenient

>>95960114
>brings up FoW himself and gets mad
>dude no-one mentioned FoW
>I HATE FOW!!!1!!

are you ok?

t. Ivan

>>95960114
>some of the most manuverable tanks

Manuverable is not the same as fast Anon.
It describes agility, not speed.

>>95960201
For someone who hates FoW, you seem to know a great deal about its rules.
Personally i think it looks stupid on the table, but the miniatures are nice and thats all i need to know.

>>95956397
I've been kitbashing Victrix and WGA and GBP. But Victrix are little taller and the main thing is they are way crisper in details. WGA is OK but smaller, while GBraaaaP plastic seems softer and the details less clear. Also some of their torsos and postures are just fucked, like their gothic and dark age cavs.

>>95952606
pic of the period from an osprey book I have.

I wish Khurasan started doing business with EU again...

I'm not trying to start shit, but this made me laugh the instant I saw it

That and green goblin here

>>95963780
>>95963807
It's truly absurd to me that Warlord still hires that guy to do all their promo painting. They're one of the biggest historical wargaming companies in terms of revenue, I don't understand how that's acceptable for them.

>>95963842
>>95963807
>>95963780
This is for historical wargames only. Please take your snotlings to one of the 40k threads

>>95963807

>>95957901
Yes a particularly poorly trained T-34 driver can make a T-34 go under the top speed of a Panzer VI?
Training can't change the top speed of vehicles, but it can let a better crew use almost the vehicles full speed while a less trained crew on a faster vehicle can use a smaller portion of that vehicles potential.

>>95964418
This. People often seem to forget that rules are always abstract.

>>95964594
Though of course I think it is worth noting. I said
>>95964418 but I actually doubt any Soviet Regulars were so poorly trained they could lose a race to a Panzer VI, while in a T-34 no matter how elite the Deutsch driver is. I think you would need to be looking post war to like Afghan irregulars who were lend leased T-34s from the soviet backlog, for this to even be a possibility.

>>95964677
Well obviously they wouldn't lose a race, but might lose in terms of 'speed at which a distance on the battlefield is crossed', due to myriad of reasons from poor radios, bad visibility, a scared commander, or inability to read the terrain. But then we might get into other issues like 'Should a poor quality crewed T-34 gain extra movement if the game is taking place on the steppe?' and other such minutiae of next to no worth for a wargame.

>>95964899
>Should a poor quality crewed T-34 gain extra movement if the game is taking place on the steppe?' and other such minutiae of next to no worth for a wargame
Oh then we should just use the machines speed always then, right? If how a driver/commander handles driving is minutiae of next to no worth for a wargame.

>>95964942
Sure, or you could argue that perhaps it'd be better to have a rough speed class of light / medium / heavy or equivalent for the period in question, and that is modified by the commander's skill. Or perhaps the chrome is actually the minutiae, and only the commander's skill would matter in a combat environment, with particularly speedy armoured vehicles getting an extra bit on top. I'm just throwing stuff out there, I don't play WW2.

>WW2

>>95965020
Based, but WW2 games MUST exist. WW2 gaming does an amazing job at containing all the normies and 40k refugees and keeping them away from more esoteric periods.

>>95965379
>muh esoteric periods
aka shit with patchy, incomplete model ranges and generic rulesets, maybe some poorly worded, poorly laid out era specific photocopied shit published in 1992 and plays like it
it's very easy for nogaems to be hipsters

>>95965472
>>95965379
Seems like it's working as intended

>>95964965
I mean, it's not just WWII, every war between industrialized includes ground vehicles. Hell, most industrialized wars have had the T-34 specifically.
If you want to get down to it this apllies to old world wars too. Do you use the speed of horse breed, or should we consider how fast the calvary commander can have them moving while remaining in formation? Does it even apply only to Old World Wars, or did the Aztecs use Alpacas for combat like the old world used Horses or Camels.

>>95965654
>no argument
concession accepted
stop being such a little turd, get some games in, you'll find you change your tune after seeing the quality of WWI eastern front rules (ironically something that just about every hipster wants to play)

>>95965472
You just proved his point kek

>>95965747
NTA but if you can't make the tools you have fit the era you want to play, are unwilling or unable to make your own edits and adjustments, and won't put the time into custom fitting what your running to the eras you want to play you are the problem.

You are not beholden to the rulebook. It is not your god you must follow to the letter. This is not 40k 10e tournament play.

I own a very esoteric dog turd no one but me is allowed to touch. You wouldn't get it.

>>95941228
You did very well, bless your kind heart. If you're also the anon that pointed out nigger colour is not "Noble Skin" in the previous thread then truly you are the best among us, a true companion.

I received a box of Italian allies today, you can name a commander if you want.

>>95966088
>noble skin
Yes, that was me too actually.

>Italian name
Fettuccine Alfredo

>>95965845
The informal style I posted with which fits the site broadly is strained by this longer post, but that shouldn't be the source of any comprehension issues: the inability for people to understand what I'm getting at stinks.
Simply put, this post:
>>95965472
should not need any further explanation to gamers, and yet here comes post #3 in excruciating detail, about the rules alone, let alone model support.

If you, say for example, want to use FFoL for skirmish level US interventions in Central America ca. 1900 go for it, it's easy enough, it's a very generic skirmish system; or if you want to do a total conversion of Rommel to fit WWI, I'm sure, with time, effort, and a willing club, that club would be happy with it and it might even end up good enough to get passed around some. It would be very different to a WWI ruleset written by Sam Mustafa himself though.
Not everyone is cut out to write their own rules, which is why there's so many crap or at least poorly worded systems out there, and there's a cult of personality around the few consistently decent writers. The time alone they spend in reading primary sources and academic texts is enormous, the rules writing chops, etc. The hipsters should be writing letters of thanks to Sam Mustafa that he saw fit to write, hone, and put to print a crisis of the third century ruleset (haven't seen any projects here), our own Tom Jensen is a superb and underrated writer that covers some niche subjects, but nobody has taken him up on them here. I see people regularly post War by Sail (to be fair, it does cover a broad era and underdone conflicts), Missile Threat, and that's it. I chose FFoL as an example because there's that one anon doing a series of less well trod eras and he's happy to use FFoL but it's obviously a generic ruleset that would be very different to one written with care and attention to the particular conflict.

cont

>>95966211
The hipsters that fling shit at boomer eras, or even more laughably, fling shit about WWII but think they're cool for liking Napoleonics, only ever manage snide shitposts and nothing more. Obvious nogaems trash.

>>95966145
Deal. We owe you this much King.

Finished the fallschirmjäger from the BotB starter. Couldn't decide on a scheme so tried a few variations. I like the camo pattern the best so I think I'll stick to that going forward.

>>95966211
not reading all that

>>95960134
yesterday I think, but that was just a little test game, haven't actually played a game in months because I've been obsessed over painting so much stuff
might start a new rebels and patriots campaign with the gf soon tho

>>95966605
If you can't read what averages to probably about 500 words in no time at all how can I expect you to actually understand a rulebook? Braindead nogames faggot

>>95934156
Maybe start posting fewer Wikipedia articles in the beginning of every fucking thread and get the OP post right instead.

>>95966841
You on your rag?

>>95966304
sexy

>>95966211
>I chose FFoL as an example because there's that one anon doing a series of less well trod eras and he's happy to use FFoL but it's obviously a generic ruleset that would be very different to one written with care and attention to the particular conflict.

Are you talking about me? I have the warlord China project, the rif war project, a boshin war project, my WWI airplanes, and a bunch of other odds and ends that I use FFoL to play. The history is what's most important to me. I love FFoL because it provides me with a foundation for the basics. How to shoot, how to wound, how to track moral, and an initiative systems that is not I go you go. That's all I need, I'm happy to put in the work to build the rest to what I want it to be to fit what I'm trying to play. To each their own I guess, but I personally disdain points buy in, artificial balance, and matched play as war doesn't work like that.

>>95966223
Napoleonics cops a weird beating especially in American gaming circles, it seems to have become the cutout for the mythical unreasonable grognard for WW2 people to project onto in the same way they are for 40k types.

Took a long time for the period to click, and I'm not even really sure my mind scales to how the bigger Napoleonic battles operated all to well even after a fair bit of reading. But when you learn about characters like Lasalle or Craufurd or Raevski, some of these people are just bigger heroes and more daring and dashing than any fiction writer can conceive of.

As for the "button" counter thing I always use the wildest colour plates I can find and I'm not above weathering for my sins.

>>95966304
Fallschirmjager are amongst the only WW2 German troops I'm into, but if anything the German army provides so much variation in painting compared to the Allies.

>>95966211
Do you ever play FFOL Bigger Battles? I really wrote the system off because of the advice of another gamer but I'm really getting into it.

>>95967056
I think for a skirmish game FFOL is plenty flavourful esp. The supplements.

I was watching a guy complain about the skirmish games and non historical focus of wargames magazines and thought well it's certainly good to preserve the larger, more linear conflicts and go over the details but really I'm just playing stories in my garage innit. It's ok that I buy two boxes of minis a side and some Aquarium terrain and call it a day. You refine this stuff over time anyway

>>95966304
i find it funny how nice these models look (and most modern bolt action models too) when theyre not painted in the box scheme, and their faces arent painted by the studio painter

Having a printer makes playing historicals so much nicer

I wish carrying flags was done out patriotism and not as a means of preventing unit breakdowns. I wish we were still carrying giant flags into battle despite the drawbacks.

>>95967308
It's peak aesthetic I'll give you that.

>>95963780
Some of the most half-assed minis ive seen in a while, in a sense just as bad as the dogshit reislaufer from last week.

- Painted all wrong with leather as canvas and vice versa(on the same fucking mini).

- Revolvers out and awkward looking.

- Two of the officer literally have no kit but the sten, not even a map case or ammo pouch.

- One guy has just...a rifle!?

- Uniforms make no sense and anyone that says ''private purchase'' can shut the fuck up.

- It's quite clear the lazy bastard sculptor just reused the same three dollies for the officers and radioman (who doesnt have a weapon for some reason), they aren't even the same scale as the plastics because Marco Sano can only sculpt in 32mm and warlord have yet to tell him to stop.

All in all the whole brit release is a massive step down from the veteran germans, the winter plastics are okay but they keep in the molded on pouches which look woeful.

The only kind thing I can say is the minis with a better paint job and maybe some plastic bits might be salvageable for maybe post apocalypse or something.

>>95967738
Stop giving Warlord Games your money.

>>95967795
I have, once they went resin I stopped completely, even before that their releases had become so boring/saturated with new games that all my saved up points expired.

Its baffling how shit they've become but I gather its them just chasing the next big thing/pumping up value to sell the whole shebang to airfix

>>95967795
>>95967882
Exactly why I'm printing all my vehicles for Bolt Action. If I must buy a Warlord kit, I'll order it through my LGS, and I'm planning to just grab my Armies of book once it gets posted here.

>>95967909
I've wanted winter brits from warlord and I finally get them and they're this weird shite...another finger on the monkeys paw curls and I curse God/fate/whatever.

>>95967942
Eh. They look okay to me, but I'm not very particular

>>95964418
It's also worth noting that poorly trained crews tend to barrel forward at top speed, while expert tank crews slowly advance, halt and recon, then advance cautiously again. I remember reading about Allied tank crews watching the Germans advance in North Africa and it was slow and methodical. This was obviously while under enemy observation - if no one was around, they would be road marching at top speed.

Regardless, a T-34 should be able to outpace a Pz. IV any day, and almost run circles around a Tiger. A tiger should never be considered agile or fast or any kind of special rule, even with the best trained troops. Only special rule it should have is something like, if it moves or turns, there's a chance it will breakdown and become immobilized. I see to recall accounts on the eastern front of Tigers becoming immobilized just from venturing off the road for like 10m to go around another immobilized Tiger.

I'm looking forward to releasing my 2nd ed Ostfront Rules - aiming for no bias, all based on research and first-hand accounts, points system purely calculated based on in-game stats (with giant excel file to back it up, which I will post along with the rules...)
In Ostfront rules:
Pz. IV: 8" move
T-34: 11" move
Tiger I: 5" move - special rule "unreliable" - every time it moves or retreats, roll 2D6. if snake eyes, tiger becomes immobilized for the rest of the game.

Other units with 'unreliable' special rule would be:
Early Panthers
Matilda IIs on Crete (poorly maintained and lack of spare parts)
French Char B1, Char D1, Char D2
Vickers Mark E & Renault ZBs in China in 1938 (1937 they are fine, but by 1938 they are all way overworked and lacking spare parts, with the Chinese making the change to Soviet vehicles like the T-26 and BA-10),
There will probably be some others, but I'm only up to Italy 1943 with my army lists so far, so will see what other units qualify as I continue the research.

>>95967942
They just look so unnatural, like they're being squished or their joints are too stiff...

>>95963780
>CHIPPO MAN

>>95961937
its not played out battlefront is on par with GW for most scummy miniature company. The game literally butchered itself when it went over to 4th. I
3rd wasnt perfect but it was much much more historical and balanced than 4th ever was.

>>95962908
Are you dense you stupid motherfucker? The guy I replied to was talking about how flames of war giving germans magically more tank movements than other nations was because of "doctrine"

>>95963263
I used to play it back when the editions were atleast somewhat of a good enough game to excuse the historical inaccuracies and didnt artifically nerf most allied units hence why I am very knowledgeable about how shit the game is.

For anyone wondering by the way all nations can make these extra moves if you can pass a skill check so a veteran crew has a better chance than a green crew. Except what we are talking about is germans can make 2 moves for some reason regardless of training levels. so if you take captured T-34s they will literally be able to go faster under german command somehow also FYI tiger tanks were never meant to be fast breakthrough tanks like so the whole doctrine argument doesnt make sense and british cruiser tanks dont get anything like that despite them being built for speed.

>>95967909
Good. Bolt Action vehicles are comically small, it's ridiculous.

Pic related, Bolt Action T-34 next to Empress Miniatures BMP-2. Note than the BMP and T-34 are both 22ft long, ie. the same size in real life

New Wargames Atlantic models just dropped

WE WUZ REVO-LOO-SHUNARIES N SHIIIET

>>95968430
They're two different scales. BA is 1/56 while empress is 1/48.

>>95968532
Empress is 1/50. Anyways, that just shows you that 28mm figures are NOT 1/56.

>>95968430
I know they're out of scale with the infantry and accept that it makes them bit better on a 6x4 board.

>>95968562
Why do you play on a 6x4?

>>95968512
Historical wargaming might not be for you.

>>95968572
That's what the group I play with uses. Plus it's a commonly accessible size.

>>95968512
Shiiit nigga fighting for my freedomz n shiet... shits got me fucked up nigga

>95968605
>samefagging this hard because minutemen

>>95968629
Black minutemen didn't exist outside Hollywood, take that shit to /awg/

>>95968420
Nobody cares about your FoW PTSD.

>>95968543
So you admit to being a liar? You knew it's two different scales and just posted the picture, claiming they should have the same size?

>>95968908
What? My post was about how the bolt action tank is comically small for 28mm troops, then I compared to a true scale BMP-2 so you can see a visual reference for how big bolt action t34 SHOULD be.

>>95968512
>WE WUZ REVO-LOO-SHUNARIES N SHIIIET
Yeah? Up to 250,000 served in the American militia during the American Revolution. There was a Slave Enlistment Act passed in 1778 allowing it.

>>95968926
Guy who talked about printing vehicles for BA here: I print them in scale with 1/56th kits, not with the infantry.

>>95968944
Sad to hear it :(

>>95968926
And yet, you did not post it next to a 288mm trooper, but next to a BMP in bigger scale. Of course it looks small next to it. It's a smaller scale.

>>95968996
>288mm

>>95969002
I want some 1/3 scale tanks to go with my 288mm minis

>>95969011
You've got options.

>>95969053
>acquire these STLs
>acquire large format printer
>scale up in slicer to 300%
> scale Sherman acquired

>>95967738
>>95967942
honestly the worst thing is less the sculpting (not really defending these that much) but the painting, ESPECIALLY with the plastic kits

>>95967909
>>95968430
completely agree about their vehicles tho, theyre just out of scale and also not super great sculpts either, though theyre still better than the italeri kits
I just buy rubicon kits since even their early kits which are a bit more rough are still nicer sculpts (plus they also have some vehicles that warlord only have in metal like the chaffee)
Only issue with rubicon is their infantry models arent great and theyre also missing some tanks that warlord has in plastic

>>95969415
>but the painting, ESPECIALLY with the plastic kits

This. I'm fairly sure there is a reason they let this guy paint their minis for the webstore, and it can't be that he is the only guy that offers to do it super cheap while literally every other painter would be too expensive for them.
Hell, even >>95966304 this Anons Fallschirmtroops look better than pic related. They could pick anyone from their community to do a better job than whoever is painting those horrible faces (and dont get me started with the blue uniforms on late war fallschirmjäger).

Their sculpts are fine for the most part, and while Anon above is right that these british officers lack some pouches and such, its not really a dealbreaker to me. They are just not really interesting HQ miniatures. Especially compared with some of their older sets.

>>95969459
Why did they choose that scheme for their third edition starter? Easier for beginners?

>>95969624
forgot pic

>>95969624
Probably, and maybe they thought going with fully field grey would be boring next to the drab/brown americans, so they went with white/blue.

>>95969656
I paint the fallschirmjager in a mix of white/blue/camo, except instead of the blue I do this mint green. No idea where they got the idea of a deep blue, just looks weird

>>95968943
>There was a Slave Enlistment Act passed in 1778 allowing it.
*passed by Rhode Island's congress to allow slaves to serve in one Rhode Island regiment.
>250,000 served
In the case of Rhode Island it was more like 150. Is this bait?

>>95970103
>muh niggerinos
You just know if they had actually served in significant numbers we would have heard all about it by now.

>>95969941
Are you >>95966304? What paint did you use for the green? They look great.

>>95970223
NTA, but thanks for the kind words. The green is AK splittermuster green with a dark brown oil wash, and then I mixed in vampiric flesh for the highlights.

>>95970223
>>95970261
A 50/50 mix of vallejo Gunship Green and Emerald actually turns out the same green suprisingly, give the mix some white for a highlight layer

>>95968943
>250,000
talking out your ass buddy

>>95970103
>>95970190
About 5,000 black soldiers served in the revolutionary cause, almost double for the British who had an Ethiopian regiment. Interestingly they fought in every major battle, overcame attempts to block their enlistment and fought in integrated units generally.

It's not even my era but this is fairly easily researched. I know some of you get very upset at the idea of having to look anything up, compare primary and secondary sources or even watch a documentary. Not all, but very much some. That's why I don't think historical wargaming is for you. An aversion to reading doesn't really work here.

>>95970479
More like 5,000 with about 20,000 fighting for the British who promised them freedom.

>>95970495
>>95970485
Notable: after the defeat, the British offered the blacks who'd fought for them land in Canada, but not long after the private colony of Freetown was established in what is now Sierra Leone and many ended up moving there.

The abolitionist movement gaining power in Britain was a major motivator for the colonies especially in the south to secede, so its no surprise blacks preferred the British cause

>>95970495
>20,000
far far less tbqh, even if that figure is used throughout the war

>>95970530
Source

>>95970512
The American notion that people can be bought and sold continues to this day!

>>95970535
provide your sauce that 20k blacks served in the British army in the AWI
given that the only notable units were Lord Dunmore's Ethiopians which numbered a few hundred at most, and the British regulars generally only recruited in Britain/Ireland(with loyalists put into their own units), with blacks often put to use as labourers, and that the British army as a whole was rather small, I don't know where your figure would come from
even a quick glimpse at wiki puts black loyalists at a few thousand, and most of these would have been civilians

>>95970554
You're now actively lying
But why

oh youre shitposting
fools me

>>95970578
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/10-facts-black-patriots-american-revolution

No, you fucking are
Because the first number of sources confirm this

Are you an actual retard? We are talking about the British Army. That's an article for the Americans.

>>95967173
Wrong shade of green.

>>95970605
Yeah

>>95970485
He just explicitly name dropped the Slave Enlistment Act and claimed 250,000 served because of that act. Point out which part of what I said was wrong.

>>95970601
>can't read

>>95970673
>didn't read further

Oh who cares given you wiped your arses with your Constitution several times over, literally the one good thing you can take credit for and you flushed it to fly drones en masse over your coastline. Sorry, air balloons.

I keep forgetting how illiterate you cunts are lol

>>95970887
What the actual fuck are you talking about. Again, I was responding to the claims of someone else which prompted your little hissy fit. If you think my post displays an "aversion to reading" then please point out which part is incorrect. You won't, because you can't. The original post gave an insane overestimation of the number of black soldiers and name dropped an act relevant to Rhode Island. Your schizo ramblings don't add anything.
>calling others illiterate
Ironic.

>>95970588
>which brings the August 1778 total to 953 black Continentals.
Interesting

>>95970887
you one of the resident schizos?

>>95968235
1/36 chance of breaking your own Tiger seems reasonnable but wouldn't rolling 2D6 every single time you move one become really tiresome? If most accounts are off-road horror stories maybe bump those odds but limit the roll to off-road movement?

>>95971449
Making the Tiger more vulnerable to bogging down could be a decent way to represent it depending how the game in question handles begging down. Throw in an aside about how the Tigers that are going to break down on easy ground don't even make it to the game

>>95971426
It's Dementianon. He's stuck here forever.

>>95961937
oh god the corpo defense force has arrived. FoW is a trash game for trash people. Its Hollywood pop-culture history at best with some awful rules designed around getting as many models on the table as possible to increase sales. That being said I do like the models and pick em up second hand whenever I can find em, but I play Fireball Forward a much better game in all respects.

>>95971637
>FF
Mein Nigger.

>>95966304
vey nice anon, solid colour scheme and nice basing

Who makes any kind of miniatures for Russian Civil War (along with peripheral conflicts like Polish-Soviet war and Freikorps in Eastern Europe), scale 20mm and smaller? I only know Strelets and Orion did some 1/72 kits.

>>95933943 (OP)
I've really been enjoying What a Cowboy as a party game. Everyone has seen a Western` and pretty implicitly understands what someone would do in a (hollywood) western shootout, and giving each player a cowboy or two and just flinging their minis onto a western map normally leads to stupid outcomes. The last time I ran it, for about 6 people, there was a "sharpshooter" with a winchester who exclusively missed and shot civilians, a player who continually ran up behind people before realising he had no bullets in his gun, and "The Blind gulch kid", a mini who almost NEVER spotted anyone, but when he did he pretty consistantly blew a limb off of them. You can teach the basic ruleset in about 5 minutes, maybe 10 if you explain all the different BONANZA uses and use civilians, and then away you go.

>>95963780
Warlord Games is infamous for paying badly. One guy that wrote a supplement was offered to be paid in minis instead of cash. Wouldn't surprise me if the reason that their minis, rules and studio paint jobs are so bad is due to them just being lazy cheap bastards.

>>95971760
I fucking love Fireball Forward. Legitimately the best company level rule set out there. The different dice types through new players for a loop but they usually grasp it soon enough. Only real downside is no points system but you can plug in ASL scenarios 1 to 1 and it works great.

>>95972613
>RCW and related conflicts
>20mm
Who the fuck knows.
>15mm
Peter pig
>10mm
Pendragon

>>95973576
Warlord ain't just cheap, it British BOOMER cheap and its pretty clear all there products are made to the lowest possible standard to keep costs down.

>>95972613
Wargames Alantic obvs

>>95971637
>didn't read my post and platformed

>>95971426
>>95971568
>you have to be this person because you don't rote agree with everything I say, have a meme that took me longer than I spend on my hobby

More retards

None of you guys really seem to know anhthing and flip the fuck out when it becomes obvious.

>>95971318
>still cannot read

Not what the article, or other articles pertaining to this topic say. Dishonest...probably a /pol/tard some negro in a straw hat did morr for his cou try than he ever would lol

What do you think the emotional response to seeing an IS-2 from the view port of a Chi-ha Kai was like during the Soviet invasion of Manchuria?

>>95973833
>Not what the article, or other articles pertaining to this topic say
That is what the article says verbatim. The article says that number comes from a primary source document "Return of Negroes in the Army” that was produced in August 1778. They tallied the number of black soldiers in the army at the time. Are you really getting upset at someone copy pasting the source you posted?

>>95971568
Why is he called dementia anon

>>95973986
I will encourage people to read the article rather than rely on your misquote.

>>95974000
Off topic compensation for a lack of substance by peoplembetter suited to 40k.

>>95971449
It's not too bad, rolling 2D6 and checking snake eyes isn't too strenuous and you're not usually moving a Tiger a lot since it has a nice long range gun. You get it into a decent position, then mostly firing.
I did something similar in Missile Threat to represent aircraft with poor maintenance or that had a history of things breaking in mid air (like IRIAF F-14s or Bosnian MiG-29s), and it seemed to flow fine.

I think the Tiger's initial unreliability is a combination of poor training and lack of spare parts as well as issues with poor ground on the eastern front - Tiger crews initially only received like a 6 week conversion course, and I think there was only 1 spare engine and 1 spare transmission for every 10 tigers in 1943. Soft ground and even snow caused issues of bellying out.

>>95973576
Before I went off warlord I had planned to submit some article ideas and had talked about on discord, guy pulled me aside in dm's and told me to just not, warlord pays like ass when they do pay/will try and pay me in minis/vouchers, apparently the guy writing all the articles on warlord community is just made to do it on top of his regular job.

Given the guy is a known industry figure I believe him, hopefully they can all just fuck off, sell it to airfix and maybe airfix will handle things better, at the very least we wont get endless spin offs and more 2000ad shit nobody wants - fun fact the abc warrior start had three whole preorders (out of something like 2 to 3000, hence it going on sale before release).

>>95972948
Intriguing.

>>95974674
>Tiger crews initially only received like a 6 week conversion course
That's insane to me, the idea of having a poorly trained men in Heavy Tanks especially when you have dedicated heavy tank battalions. Of course Deutschland 1942-1944 made more Panzer VIs than Nippon produced Type-97 Kais 1942-1945.

So after jumping into Bolt Action recently with British 8th Army I just ended up with a few sprues of US Army infantry due to shenanigans and I don't really know what to do with them. Their uniforms and weapons are of course all different from the British except for tommy guns, so I can't really pilfer them for weapons.

Any historically appropriate things I can do to make use of a squad or so of soldiers with US gear alongside a British army? I know the US was outfitting a lot of other people like Brazil and such, but I don't know of any examples that'd actually make sense here. I'd enjoy making a nod to some weird historical thing like a small chunk of Brazilians or anyone else with US gear serving alongside the Brits though.

>>95975127
bolt action is doing a small scale (200pts) supplement based on their academy of streetfighting rules, you could do a small yank force?

>>95975162
The problem is I know if I do that it will quickly evolve into a separate full scale US force. I need something with minimal room for expansion.

>>95975127
>>95975162
>>95975177
>Decide to do a bit of research rather than just asking
>Find out the Brazilian Expeditionary Force participated in the invasion of Italy, and while they fought under US Command along the Gothic line, they would've been side by side with various British colonial troops
>In particular, a German-Italian offensive was aimed right at the Brazilian sector and required assistance from the 8th Indian Division
So I can just include some Brazilians in a colonial-heavy British army and it's historically appropriate enough for me.

I'm looking for a small-scale tank combat game, like 1-3 tanks a side, with a squad or two of infantry or other vehicles to support. To clarify, I'm not looking for a tank sim where you play each crew man individually.

Can anyone point me in the right direction? I would prefer cold war-era to ultra-modern. I'll also take /awg/ suggestions, if anyone knows of any, if they fit the bill.

>>95974000
He's a really old man, probably Canadian, that goes through a weird cycle of: effortposting; complaining no one reads his posts; starting a debate; absolutely misread and misquote something in every single replies of a debate; calling out anons for not reading; blaming imaginary autists. It's really clear he's on the spectrum himself and kind of lost the plot somewhere along the way.

If you check this reply >>95973833 you can see there's way too many typos for such a short post. Poor lad had a fit. Anyway, on to painting my minis, you guys have fun entertaining him.

Me and my friends have played Tabletop RPGs quite often, and play a lot of vidya about history, but have never played a table top wargame. What wargame would you recommend for a beginner? We only care about post-industrial warfare, so WWI onwards.

>>95974862
he said conversion course so i assume he means 6 weeks of training with the tiger after having already been trained and having served in a panzer tank.

My motor pool is looking solid, I think.

>>95976294
It's really simple
Not Canadian
Nor Old
Nor upset
Sources show as many as 5,000 black military personnel on the continental side, 20,000 on the loyalist. You are now free to return to pretending to do your hobby.

"I don't habeeb Uncle Remus had it in him" doesn't cut it when the answer is a search away, folks. As ever, share your findings, just be honest instead of a liar (poltard). Every time I suggest you look for the answers instead of pulling le redpilled answer out of your feedlot beef torn arses, there he is, handbag at the ready.

>>95976327
I like chain of command (ww2) personally. Do you specifically want a game with miniatures or do you want hex and counter?

>>95976114
FUBAR doesnt have a cold war supplement but the rules were made with the cold war era in mind
Its also around the size youre looking for i think
Finding cold war wargames is alot harder than ww2

>>95976868
>Do you specifically want a game with miniatures or do you want hex and counter?
The idea of a non-miniature table top wargame doesn't exist to people even people in adjacent hobbies. I was thinking about miniatures, because I didn't even conceive of another option till now.
>I like chain of command
What do you like specifically about it, compared to other games.
>
I have a neurosis for late war Italian, and Nipponese armor, of course the overall quality of the rules is more important than having a little P26/40 battalion sitting next to a Fiat Protetto battalion (completely ahistorical (very sad that the Italians never put their APCs next to their fancy (for Italy) Tanks))

>>95976114
No End In Sight by Nordic Weasel games might fit the bill, has some cool squad and pin rules

>>95976327
Coming from Vidya and TTRPG you might have really wrong expectations regarding the tactival aspect of wargaming. There won't be as many finesse and options here. As usual I'll suggest giving a look at Crossfire/Fireball Forward/Disposable Heroes II so it's different enough no one will feel the loss.

>>95977106
>The idea of a non-miniature table top wargame doesn't exist to people even people in adjacent hobbies.
I picked this up. Supposed to ship soon. I have a few other from them and have liked what I played so far.
https://mmpgamers.com/fallschirmjaeger-p-419
MMP has a lot, but theres other game makers too. You can find recommendations if you look them up.
>coc
Very morale/command focused and it's more interested in giving an "authentic" ww2 tactical experience than some other games. It also has a system for force building the curbs the excesses of something like Bolt Action. You're not going to have firing lines of tanks. I'm sure others will have more recommendations because that's the only one I seriously play out of the mini games.

Came across these 1980s british....anyone know what they could be best used for?

>>95977744
Shooting Irish Partisans.

>>95977744

>>95977744
Falklands War? The Troubles?

>>95977744
They called him Big 'ed Bazza they did

>>95977744

>>95977012
>>95977409
Thank you for the suggestions, cuties. I'll check them out.

>>95977963
sniper's dream

>>95968235
Seems a bit extreme, I'm just back from Bovington and the Tigers there ran just fine despite being 80+ years old.

>>95960134
CoC V2 last night, Japs vs Marines. I lost miserably.

>>95977416
>Crossfire/Fireball Forward/Disposable Heroes II
Why those specifically what do they do well? I mean I plan on reading the all the books at least, but it's hard to get an idea of how something plays from just reading rules alone, especially since I'm new to the hobby of wargames specifically, how do they compare to Chain of Command if you have played it.
Do any of them cover late war Italian or Nipponese armored vehicles well?
>of course the overall quality of the rules is more important than having a little P26/40 battalion sitting next to a Fiat Protetto battalion (me)
...but seeing those things would make them jump higher on my priorities list.

>>95977436
>You're not going to have firing lines of tanks.
I wasn't actually suggesting a division scale wargame done with miniatures who has the time to paint all those guys, but unless I'm horrifically misunderstanding how tank battalions work. I thought tanks battalions would merge/disperse into infantry battalions in their division, so that if you see a tank next to even a truck transporting infantry, you are looking at a part of two different battalions.

>>95976708
source?

>>95978538
>source?
Wikipedia

>>95978573
post it

>>95978234
Sharpest lad in the regiment, too bad they did 'is 'ead in.

>>95972613
Zvezda have 1/72, which is tad bigger than 20mm, WW1 russian soldiers that can pass as whites

>>95978957
Already posted. Maybe *you're* dementianon...

>>95979696
source?

Less dementia, more tonk

>>95979862
It's in the thread. This is what I mean, I'm "demented" for posting substance, but you shitting up the thread because you got caught making shit uo (again) is fine. That's why you're a liability to the /hwg/ hobby - literally bad for historical wargames. If you let ideology outpace intellectual curiosity, we don't want you. You don't really care about what's true or not.

>>95979935
take your meds pal

>>95979935
Ssshhh gramps, take your meds and look at the pretty armour

>>95980013
Pretty pretty tonks

>>95979935
>Once again Dementianon thinks he's arguing with a single anon here when it's been at least three.
Wew lads.

>>95980013
>>95980020
They're nice, I have to say. Did you try to bring a crate for the boys so they take you for a ride?

>>95967056
I had a reply written up on my phone before I went out of reception but accidentally refreshed the page just as I was about to hit the wilderness. That was you I was talking about, and I pretty well meant what I said how I said it; writing this explicitly just in case, I wasn't being a two faced faggot concealing a negative opinion. With your variety and number of projects completed at a good pace, you are using a generic system to its advantage (though completely as an aside if you were, say, playing large battles from multiple conflicts using certain hardcover rulesets you'd have the usual nogaems shitposters that post this time of day shitting on you).
>To each their own I guess, but I personally disdain points buy in, artificial balance, and matched play as war doesn't work like that.
I largely agree, m****** *p*** is a neologism I'm instinctively repulsed by; though points buys can be a useful ready reckoner. It's distant to the point I was making that being snobby about popular eras cuts people off from good quality, intelligently written rules that capture the sense of a specific conflict or part thereof.

>>95967062
>Do you ever play FFOL Bigger Battles? I really wrote the system off because of the advice of another gamer but I'm really getting into it.
Not yet, I can see it being useful to me in the future though.

>>95977106
NTA but I'd add that Chain of Command is pretty accessible too. One can easily play or write a scenario and dress a table for a game that gives a sense of time and place; but there's often a lot of deep reading and scenario design skills needed for doing a historical scenario involving platoon vs platoon engagements. CoC has those Pint Size Campaign books which give you a whole campaign to play with a couple of platoons and their support options, and include a potted history for context.

If you want to play a variety of engagement scales in WWII 15mm gives you as close as you can get to a one-size solution.

>>95978494
>Crossfire
I'll get back to you later, run out of time before I need to get back on the boat.

>>95977416
I'm wondering what videogames you're comparing to what wargames. There's a few I've played, a few I can think of that I haven't, but I feel miniatures wargames do a reasonable job beyond the stuff that tends to have a following amongst GW refugees just starting out.

>>95980115
> being snobby about popular eras cuts people off from good quality, intelligently written rules that capture the sense of a specific conflict or part thereof.
cuts people off from *a lot of* good quality... I should have written, this seems to be the time of day that would be pounced upon

>>95979991
>>95980013
>>95980066
>for the first time, they were able to experience the exhiliration of being "the normies"
>but it was artificial
>even a cursory glance at earlier threads demonstrate the same process of making unfounded claims, ignoring information posted and shitting their pants when told they were wrong
>post a source, they bleated, knowing full well they can't finish a book

https://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/the-revolutionary-war/african-americans-in-the-revolutionary-war

https://www.nps.gov/chyo/learn/historyculture/african-americans-in-the-revolutionary-war.htm

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/10-facts-black-patriots-american-revolution

You do this to yourselves. I'm not as bothered as you need me to be in some weird surrogate of the actual hobby.

>>95980066
Sadly I never thought of that and I don't think security would let that much booze in.

>>95980332
Kk gramps. I'm not really interested in black American revolutionary soldiers, or that rather uninteresting period anyway, but you are making a fool of yourself. Cool off a bit.

>>95980475
Reenactors dug this trenchline

>>95980475
>don't address the misnomers in the /hwg/ thread because I have a /pol/ agenda to maintain, it's important everybody be ignorant and vulgar so ws can progress as a hobby to stop gatekeeping untellectually lazy Chuds
>if we pile in we can overlook the embarrassing prognostications at the start of the thread

You guys asked for sources, though?

I was today years old when I learned Gothic Cataphracts are mostly apocryphal, rule of cool, based on a couple of sources about them fighting in Italy.

Still going to buy some eventually because it's a game and I wouldn't want to seem foolish, naturalich.

>>95980575
I don't have a leg in this fight, just passing on what I see.

>>95980115
Cheers to you anon I appreciate it. Unfortunately I'm going to be taking off for 6 months come August, so my WWI airplane project is going to be the last one for some time. But when I get back, I have a few projects in mind!

Keep up the good fight. I haven't actually ran FFoL Bigger Battles yet either, but I've played a few expansions based off it or that takes elements from it.

More purdy tonks

>>95980748
Is this the tank museum in England? I have it on my list to visit when I have to go there. I just found out my city has a sub museum that's of the same class as the one my grandfather served on. There's some good nautical stuff around here but nothing for tanks that gets close to this AFAIK.

>>95980975
Yup, Bovington. They just had their annual tankfest

So when a medieval battle says there was 900 or so men at arms, is it reasonable to assume the number of actual men in that formation might actually be like 2-3 times as many including the fighting support staff in their "lance". Which I think tended to include 1-2 other fighting men and 1-2 purely non-combat support staff. so that 900 men at arms formation might actually be 2000 active combatants and maybe 1000 support staff.

>>95981881
This is a fair indicator
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Agincourt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bouvines

So even across a coupla hundred years, it's not a hard ratio but it seems at least there would be an equivalent squire, militiaman or servant for every demi or fully noble man in partial or full armour.

Interestingly, later medieval and early renaissance period the Germans were known for deep columns of knights supported by mounted light cavalry, some armed with crossbows.

And, in France a lot of those veterans and mercenaries following the HYW or WOTR as mounted bow infantry were coverting to heavier arms and fighting up close more.

The mix of formations in medieval armies is really attractive.

>>95981881
Remember also that nobody anywhere is ever operating at 100% strength on paper due to too much beer, bad curry or recent leadectomy. So some of these retainers are in camp, digging some lovely filth etc

Reminds me I need to make a couple of markers of just plainoy attired horses tied to posts munching grass for when some figures "dismount."

>>95981881
Here's a little model lance, simulating that picture.
>>95981995
Yah, IDK but I find it harder to mentally picture a lot of medieval battle feilds compared to ancient onces. there is an obsurity, or at least a degree of variance in period, that makes it harder to think of clearly. squires, sergents, men at arms, knights, militia, bondsmen, and the differences within each depending on period and situation.
>>95982011
Yah, thats why I ventured the fighting companions being 1.1x the dedicated knight/man-at-arms amount in my example instead of 2x. So as to account for the veriety of potential loses due to logistics, casualties, diseases, upkeep, and anything else.

>>95981881
I also ask, because im trying to decide how many non-men at arms footmen I want to put into my unit of dismounted men at arms. im thinking 1 for every 2 fully armored men, usually back and to the left of their more armored liege.

IDK if thats how it was done, but that seems to follow.

>>95982137
I would do it like this:

>unit of foot knights x 10
>unit of retainers x 10

With each having the heavier troops at the front rank.

Just two movement trays...separate units you can combine.

Don't forget foot knights fought with shortened lances on foot a lot as well we are learning.

Bit like the javelin coming back for some Dutch and Spanish units during the 17th century... seldom modelled

>>95980748
My fave tanks are British and Fre ch because they have some of that clunky interwar charm

>>95982345
>that clunky interwar charm
Not him but I'm painting an M3 Grant as we speak partly for this reason

>>95982345
Well honhon monsieur.
I've got a love of the French interwar stuff myself, it looks nice and some have some really nice cast texturing.

>>95982479
>>95982645
And as for clunky interwar charm....

>>95982479
Ah yes the me. No, not the machine gun. Or the rifle. Or the halftrack. Or the submachinegun. Or the light tank.
The medium (its early-mid war actually)

>>95982653
Very nice pics tankanon
When my WW1 Russians arrive I'm painting over half of them for Russo Japanese/Boxer/White Army duties but I will also do some Red Army guys, that's another period I associate with funky armoured cars with machine guns. Give me quirky early war, late war is like some fucked up high tech Goterdammerung lol, it's like yeesh...we probably would have had konflikt 47 if it kept going... konflikt 1147

I'm looking to do a Revolutionary war campaign with friends using the new Walord games set, I wanna use a hex grid to control campaign movement, how do you think I should go about making a map with a hex for this kind of campaign?

>>95982897
Acquire old timey map of the area. Layer hex grid over it.

I had a recent experience.
>find guy online on discord
>lives close, love milhist
>we get along, let's plan games
>turns into a complete scale autist, everything has to be in 10mm, even narrative 0200 hours campaign
>he doesn't acually have anything for these games, he just imagines that scale being 'the right one for everything'

I told him to paint things up and we can play, I only have 28mm shit. He went silent, never to be heard of again. Why do people do this?

>>95982897
>warlord
you mean the figures that look soulless and have their bayonets on the wrong side?

>>95983157
what a mong, and I say this as someone who mainly has 10mm
been getting into painting more 28mm recently though

>>95933943 (OP)
Does anyone have a pdf of the Napoleonic game Empire by Scott Bowden? Looking for 5th Edition and the 6th "Revolution & Empire", but any edition will do, I saw that it was mentioned here a while back:
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/77735627/#77764366

Also has anyone heard any news on 7th edition?

>>95982345
>>unit of foot knights x 10
>>unit of retainers x 10
would that happen though? I mean, foot melee retainers grouping up on thier own? The archer retainers I believe, but I dont usually hear about the foot melee retainers seperating and forming specific units separate from thier foot lords. At least for the english in the 100 years war.

>>95983157
Autism compels much stupidity. It makes me field T/O accurate forces despite how no actual real life formation matches its T/O

>>95984009
I tok know the pain and joy of T/O autism. All my Spaniards for my Rif War project are accurate to their respective platoons. It was delightful to research but I question how useful it is to have.

>>95980332
Stop answering me retard. I never asked for sources or engaged in your useless discussion, I only pointed out you're crazy.

>>95981221
Impressive camo, couldn't see the tank for a solid five minutes. I was like, who the heck is Polo Ralph Lauren and why should I care?

>>95983902
For 100 YW they are interchangable.

>>95982897
He's a nogames like
>>95984238
What do you expect?

>>95981221
i love that camo

>>95981221
>>95982645
I love that camo.

>>95982897
>Map with hex grid to control campaign movement

Just look for an hex&chit wargame about the campaign you want and retrieve the map on BGG or on Vassal.

>>95980332
still yet to see a source that 20k wogs were in the British Army

>>95985119
>I can't read, too! *throws in some vulgarian comoensation for being effete and impotent*

There will be time enough for you all to poast
Just read the articles or don't
Even google the question if you are that in need of spoonfeeding
You always do the same thing which is try to run interference by repeating the question when your initial attempt at shitting up the thread or making it personal doesn't work out
At some point in /hwg/ you will have to read, sorry
Cheers

>>95985163
I've read them, doesn't look like you have

Im in awe at vassalengine...
How is it even possible for so many wargames to exist? wtf

>>95985119
>Pushing Dementianon's buttons so he starts making typos again.
Jesus mate, have mercy.

>>95983264
I checked on TG but no luck on my side, sorry anon.

>>95985365
>How is it even possible for so many wargames to exist?
It's true that it's astonishing.
They are most of the time preordered and published in a very small number of copies and are often rapidly out of print.
And People buy them and most of the the time don't play them.

>>95965747
>WWI eastern front rules (ironically something that just about every hipster wants to play)
Who would want to play a game on the Eastern front? It ended a few months before the AV7 saw combat, so you can run over Russians with the funny slow tank.

>>95985466
Yes but armored trains.

>>95985760
You can't hit a Russian with a train... well, not without derailing the train.

OP of the last few threads here, I've got to go to work soon, was hoping the thread might last until later today
If nothing's up by this evening I'll do something

>>95987420
You're a hero anon, keep fighting the good fight.

>>95985822
>>95985760
>Pure Prussian nationalism makes the Train derail and swerve to hit some Russian troops, before getting itself back onto the tracks.
This is German engineering.

Anybody ever written rules for brown water navies?

>>95989350
yes

Did Italy deserve to be vanquished from all games? What was their crime, being bad at war? Who invited the United Kingdom then? Is it that Italy lost the war while representing a less favored ideology, so nobody is willing to write 2000 word cope essays on how the United Kingdom won in East Africa and that means something somehow?
Is it that toofatlardies is British, so they are coping, putting their name in same breath as the USA and USSR?

>>95990098
muh image that i forgor

>>95985466
>Who would want to play a game on the (WW1) Eastern front?
Anyone who is interested in maneuver warfare and not just stagnant trench lines. There was a lot of sweeping advances and losses on the eastern front, as opposed to the western front.
Also Tchankas

>>95990142
How zoomed out are we talking here? At the scales of most miniture wargames, the pace of the grander war doesn't matter much.

>>95990161
I think even at small company levels there was still a lot of give and take. It's been a while since I researched it, but I seem to recall that cavalry was still used right up until 1917 (and then again in the RCW), which is a good indicator of how non-static things were. Russia is also huge so lots of distances to cover.
There were definitely still trenches though, it wasn't all maneuver all the time. Good theater for armored cars, cavalry, armored trains, infantry, and aircraft all combined together.


Norman Stone's "the Eastern Front 1914 - 1917" is well worth a read

Let's say that I want to do a campaign of a tactical wargame like Bolt Action or Flames of War, and for the campaign system, I want an operational scale wargame where each player controls a nation/army in something like the invasion of Italy, but our resolution mechanic is just "play a game of the tactical wargame"

What would be a good operational game to use?

might be a bit late but what should I do the next OP on? went to the pub after work

>>95990452
Today's the anniversary of Roosevelt and the Rough Riders' charge at San Juan Hill

>>95990467
Is it an easy one? There was a lot of booze left over from the boat today, I'm a bit deep in my cups tbqh
Was thinking also first air victory with synced mgs in tribute to projectanon

>>95990479
I don't really know, not sure how much how you do for these OPs, I'm fairly new to /hwg/

>>95990098
A lot of Western WW2 media was made by the Brits, so they've cemented themselves in the lore despite being the Italy of the Allies.

Fuck it gonna do the air one

>>95990589
Makes me miss New Zealand. Cheap access to Eureka minis was one of the perks too.

>>95990702
I'm working in the NZ of Australia at the moment
anyway the pub and the leftover piss made me a bit slack but I cobbled together a reasonable thread for a half arsed job
>>95990615
with el alamein, first day of gettysburg, all sorts of stuff I probably wasted the date though

>>95990589
Love me equator