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>Previous Thread:
>>95927646

>Thread Question:
What city would you like to live in? why?

>>95938429 (OP)
Irl Prague because it’s the nicest city I’ve ever seen. The tourists ruin it. In Fantasy Marienburg so I can smash Cathayan merchants daughter pussy while they are visiting.

>TQ
Skavenblight
You know why

>>95938429 (OP)
Nan-Gau, so I can be close to Miao Ying.

>TQ
Cities are for toppling down, not live in.
>>95938461
Based rat fucker.

>halfway through building a chaos army
>all I can think about is running my dwarf list instead
Goddammit

>TQ
Talabheim seems like the chillest place. Sure it has the usual urban problems. But it's gonns tale the fucking end times before it gets properly invaded, and at that point the's nowhere safe anyway.

>>95938482
This but Empire and Wood Elves

>>95938482
>>95938517
Same but Beastmen and my Rats

What does a "good" Wood Elf army look like?

>>95938531
Glade riders, a dragon lord, lvl 4 mage, wild riders or war dancers, treekin. Basically the least wood elf army you can think

Any good naked female bust bits? I wanna do wild riders but the theme of my force is she-elf amazons so the default chest ain't gonna cut it.

>>95938429 (OP)
>TQ
City!?

>>95938472
>t.

>>95938553
Any room for sisters of the thorn? Do you normally have the mage mounted on something?

>>95938569
Very Yeats of you.

>>95938591
> the real Gal-Maraz is just in Nan Gao somewhere

>>95938591
>yfw the monkey king is actually Sigmar but cursed by the Emperor and him and Miao Ying had their memories mindwiped so they'd forget each other. Journey to the West is about Sigmar/Monkey King travelling to the Empire to claim Ghal Maraz and get his memories back so he can marry Miao Ying, end the Emperors ambitions and make WMAF state mandated.

>>95938646
No.

>>95938582
>hates civilisation
>wears clothes

>>95938591
I know it said she found not a barbarian but a noble king who wore his authority with an easy grace or whatever, but this guy looks pretty fucking barbaric.

>>95938596
Yeah they used to be S tier since they nerfed their ability to always sling magic missiles less so but still not a bad unit

What are you guys working on? I'm on my 20 last warriors and then I'll finish the 10 knights and character, prepped them with prime, drybrush and base coat on the horses

>>95938664
Why do you think Archaon abandoned Sigmar? He realized that instead of a benevolent god he was a stinky barbarian.

>>95938658

>>95938665
Really weird they nerfed that then gave the un-nerfed version to the jade sentinel. What about the mage? Is it suicide to put them on a warhawk?

>>95938472
>>95938591
God I can't wait for this shit to become as obnoxious as the cringe between guilliman and whatsherface the eldar for having talked once 10 years ago.

>>95938664
I got you bro

>>95938670
Currently assembling a giant chaos spawn from forgeworld and some metal chosen.
After than is the 20 chaos hounds and finally my lord.

>>95938591
>Sigmar’s appearance was, to put it briefly, unlike that of any other man seen in those days in the world, whether Cathyan or barbarian. The sight of him inspired admiration, the mention of his name terror. I will describe in detail this barbarian’s characteristics. His stature was such that he towered almost a full cubit over the tallest men. He was slender of waist and flanks, with broad shoulders and chest, strong in the arms; in general he was neither tapered of form, nor heavily built and fleshy, but perfectly proportioned – one might say that he conformed to the ideal. His hands were large, he had a good firm stance, and his neck and back were compact.
>If to the accurate and meticulous observer he appeared to stoop slightly, that was not caused by any weakness of the vertebrae of the lower spine, but presumably there was some malformation there from birth. The skin all over his body was very white, except for his face which was both white and red. His hair was yellowish and not as long as that of other barbarians (that is, it did not hang on his shoulders); in fact, the man had no great predilection for long hair, but cut his short, to the ears.
>His eyes were light blue and gave some hint of the man’s spirit and dignity. He breathed freely through nostrils that were broad, worthy of his chest and a fine outlet for the breath that came in gusts from his lungs. There was a certain charm about him, but it was somewhat dimmed by the alarm his person as a whole inspired; there was a hard, savage quality in his whole aspect, due, I suppose, to his great stature and his eyes; even his laugh sounded like a threat to others. Such was his constitution, mental and physical, that in him both courage and love were armed, both ready for combat.

>>95938670
Asur.

>>95938701
>weird they nerfed the unloved faction and not the new shiny FOMO faction
Anon look into your heart and listen for the answer.
>warhawk mage
It's not bad for the 360 LoS but other mounts give you bang for your buck. I use one often because I have the old model and it does fine albeit you have to hide like a bitch most game. Also I think it's vakue is more in 1k< games where opponents usually can't snipe him as easily.

>>95938732
>I will describe in detail this barbarian’s characteristi-

>>95938718
YinYin Aqua makes my day.

>>95938664
>but this guy looks pretty fucking barbaric.
He surely does, earlier in life.
But just like Conan, he eventually turns from the barbarian, destroyer, and conqueror facets, into a king.

>>95938732
>AI slop
Yeah this is the towdler effect

>>95938756
Holy shit you uneducated nigger.

Some progress today. Regretting gluing the tank to his base before I did some static grass, but I think I can probably still get some glue on the ground under him and drop some grass in from the sides.

>>95938664
he goes from conan the barbarian to conan the king to zeus king of the gods, at one point he must have looked pretty noble

>>95938745
I just really like the wood elf mounted models. I'd probably want to run 2 units of sisters and 2 units of wild riders. I think in more casual games a bear kin glade lord on great stag or great eagle will probably make for an OK mini-monster lord without going to the full extent of a dragon too.

Can the sisters swap the spell they roll for a signature spell? Obviously plague of rust, fireball or wind blast are probably your go-tos if you can pick, but if they can slot in hammerhand as a last resort that doesn't seem terrible.

>>95938720
I really want to get the hounds but I also would like to add an handler. The reason is to my warband I add thngs that makes lorewise so my thinking is that it's a guy with a whip handling a group of 20 warhounds but it seems that rulewise it sucks. Should I have a handler?

>>95938732
>–
you should get stoned to death

>>95938817
The handler costs 15 points each and makes the unit actively worse. They’re expendable chaff to catch bullets, so I wouldn’t waste the points.

>>95938809
Yeah I plan on buying 10 or so SoT myself after I paint up what I got.
>can exchange a spell
No I don't think so they aren't wizards per se they just generate spells randomly.

>>95938429 (OP)
>TQ
Silver Pinacle, because if i'm allowed to "live" in, it means i'm one of Neferata's fuck boys.

Are the mold lines bad on any of the wood elf kits excluding the archers?

bored at work so im gonna design a mordheim map layout

note: its gonna be top down and 2d and drawn really badly

>>95938817
If you do a big brick like that, then he makes sense
But the purpose of hounds is to vanguard and eat shooting that would otherwise be able to target something more valuable

>>95938955
Glade riders really any warhammer plastic from 6th ed

>>95938664
Noble is a character trait, not an outfit.
>>95938752
>Destined to wear the jewelled crown of Heldenhammer upon a troubled brow

Hey guys quick update I fucked my wife and filled her up, I took her from behind.
Second arcane journal for Carthay is still gay though.

Question now that the dust had settled, sword and board for minotaurs to benefit from -2 AP on the primal fury or great weapon?

>>95939028
how cancerous do you want to be? You can give minotaurs a majority save 2+ if you put a character in the unit and are willing to abuse motley crew.

>>95939028
in the same way your wife cant have sex without facing away from you, no unit without lancers or GW will look at the minos. Since foerender also needs frenzy (solvable but more investment) I think its better off sticking with GW or 2HW

>>95939048
That sounds based and fuckthatguypilled,
Explain how

>>95939077
She was facing me when she took me down her throat god she's getting so good at it she can take it all the way now and your can hear that gluck gluck sound good shit,

How do you feel about MSU minotaurs vs a big block of 6? Kinda wanna run a 3x2 block just for the cool factor but it's probably worse

>>95939078
Gorebull or doombull can get to a 2+ save. You can make it so every minotaur in the unit has a different save, e.g. champion with the blackened plate and a 4+, one with a shield and a 5+, one with no shield and a 6+. In this situation you can choose the majority save, so you can make it the hero's 2+.

If you want a bigger unit than 3 minos you'll have to include 2 characters with a 2+ though.

Outside of this I think primal fury gives minos enough punch but I usually include 1/3rd great weapons in the unit too just to punch above S5 if I really need and in case I don't trigger the -2.

>>95939091
Please stop talking weird fucking shit about your wife btw.

What's the big draw for primal herd vs beastmen grand army?
The primal warherd seems okay. Primal magic seems pretty meh.
Is it just planting multiple shamans around a herdstone and spamming viletides?

>>95939078
nta
Motley Crew says you use the majority armor save.
But the FAQ specifies what to do if everyone has a different armor save.
You use the BEST save.
I don't know the combinations but you have a unit with a 2+,3+,4+,5+,6+ and the entire unit has a 2+ save against shooting and I believe in combat too.

>>95939101
Neither of the AoIs is really worth it but primal herd at least allows for funny magic spamming builds that will probably blow up on turn 2.

So lizard friends, is a giant bow or giant blowpipes the patrician choice in stegadon mounted warfare?

>>95939091
generally more blocks is better, 2nd row of monsters is basically dead weight for their cost.

>>95939101
>>95939126
Oh wait, is primal warherd that one that gives you an extra 25pts magic items/chaos gifts and access to the WoC gifts section? That's the point if so.

>>95939126
Fuck, I already built my list around primal herd.
Oh well, I'll give it a few tries and rework it in the future.
>>95939143
Ah, thanks. My list is probably shit then. I took 3 primal warherds and just planned on charging up the board while spamming viletide.

>40k faggots broke the garden of morr terrain at the shop trying to balance their tanks and daemon engines on top of them
what the fuck is wrong with these retards man? now half the fences and mausoleums are missing spikes and detail

Huh, it's actually a split. The minotaur one is the one that lets you take WoC chaos gifts. The primal warherd one is the one that gives you 125/75 magic item/chaos gift allowance. And no gorebull BSB outside of the mino one, so there is a reason to take it even if you can fit your army list in the regular one with a doombull general.

You can make pretty nice beastlord builds in the primal warherd e.g. 2+/5++ with 4+D6 S8 AP-3 attacks.

>>95939154
It won't be bad. Warherds are fine and the magic buff is strong if risky.

>>95939133
i think even with the proposed poison nerfs the raw output of the blowpipes is better

>>95939189
>trying to balance their tanks and daemon engines on top of them
I am very happy I don't have to deal with 40gays waac shit.

What's the point of an Arcane Journal that doesn't have new units in it?

>>95939299
Magic items and armies of infamy.

>>95939309
Still seems pretty meh, not even crane gunners or grenadiers seperated out from the balloon

>>95939189
This is why you should never donate terrain to game stores, only to clubs where you know everyone will treat it with respect. Hobby stores are always going to be filled with 40kids thrashing the terrain around, standing models on top them and not giving 2 shits about it breaking or looking good since 40kids view terrain as basically garbage that serves no purpose outside of blocking line of sight. Your beautiful terrain set and custom pieces to a 40kid are no different from a soda can or cardboard box

>have fully built and painted empire army, half built chorf army
>have no desire to touch either thanks to boring empire rules and whoever wrote chorf rules seemingly being outright spiteful
>want to play the game but have little fun with either of my armies but don't want to abandon them

>>95939335
Stay strong, brother. Surely your dudes will be good next edition.

>>95939335
Are chorfs not fun to play?

>>95938732
Based

>>95939299
Will it have special AoI units that you can easily convert, or will it be truly nothing?

So what are the builds or characters that could actually beat Miao Ying in a fight?
Do either Galrauch or Orion come close?

>>95939485
Galrauch and Orion don't but a Bretonnian Duke with the KB/MS vow and/or a tooled-up Chaos, High Elf or Dark Elf dragonlord should all put the hurt on her. Not sure about the Wood Elf dragonlord but you can put a pretty good challenge-orientated build on him.

>>95939485
How the fuck do you think Orion can do anything

>>95939485
>>95939495
She's rolling at 3s and 3s vs. the standard "dragon" body which usually lacks a ward save, so I think anything other than a mounted monster is losing. She definitely takes Galrauch apart, potentially one-rounding him with the stomps in play.

So let's see WH40k is getting space puppers, AoS is getting Steampunk dwarves, i guess HH will also get something before Cathay get their 2nd wave? or no?

>>95938461
based

>>95938749
abysmal taste

>>95939513
I dunno, I don't play Welves. I just know he costs somthing like 450 points.
Why, how shit is he?

>>95939525
Yeah, empire models.

>>95939536
empire models in HH?

>>95938964
right here we go

so the plan is to make it out of modular 1'x1' tiles, with 6 raised for areas on land, and 3 acting as a canal
the raised areas will have a tunnel modelled underneath them so you can have more options of board layout in regards to the canal

red is stuff like docks and boats, a way to get across
green is stuff like houses, market stalls, statues, all that kind of good stuff (not a specific layout, I just put some shapes in)
hashed green represents a bridge that can be lowered to get across, or raised

good idea so far?

>>95938670
Priming my stuff atm
From here comes the real work not sure how I want to do my wild riders. Thinking green hue like the studio with gold gues on armor weapons and red. Similar to my speed paint glade guard.

>>95939495
*until the matched play rules hit
After I think only HE/DE and bret still win and even then it's not guaranteed she doesn't wall away next round and you get shot to shit.

Yeah she averages ~2 (1.98) wounds on Galrauch with her base attacks, although she does get worse in round 2 because no hatred. 1.48 wounds without hatred.

Stomps behemoth vs. behemoth lack AP, so Galrauch gets his 3+/5++ against her stomps meaning even though she's rolling 3s to wound she probably doesn't get there in 1 round. She's likely to kill him in 2-3 rounds, most likely 3.

Galrauch doesn't even average 1 wound per round against her in return, 0.83, but will probably overall still do some damage between his attacks and stomps.

>>95939566
Pretty neat
I don't have Mordheim experience, just Necromunda, but more terrain is usually better and as you make it you can pull stuff out

>>95939583
The naked chaos lord still has a 3+/5++ and potential equal WS to her. Like in round 1 she does 1.58 wounds to him and he does 1.48 wounds in return, discounting stomps, and then from round 2 onwards she doesn't want to be in that combat because she's taking more wounds than she's dishing out. That's with no magic items just the chaos hand weapon and shield.

>>95939630
shes weapon skill 9 more often than hes 8 anon

>>95939649
That's without WS8. Chaos lord hitting on 4s wounding on 5s, chaos dragon hitting on 4s wounding on 3s; Miao Ying hitting on 3s wounding on 3s and rerolling hits in the first round of combat. She only pulls ahead in the round she has hatred active.

>>95939656
or magic or anything else: and how many points is the chaos lord btw?
she also hits first every round so assuming your maths she still wins more often than not

>>95939624
yeah, this layout was originally planned for necromunda (with trainlines running through the middle), but I thought a canal with boats for mordheim would be a better idea for it

>>95939669
I don't think Mordheim relies too much on verticality so you save yourself a bit of a headache there

>>95939668
The stomps add a really random variable to it because the chaos lord can roll 2 and Miao Ying 6, or vice versa. That chaos lord costs 482 points. I don't think she does win assuming they stay in combat till one dies: barring luck with the stomps, she has 3 less wounds than the CL.

IMO Miao Ying is more a busted unit for her ability to leave combat, heal and teleport 6" than for her raw killing potential. You can bring killier stuff for similar points in the game as it is currently.

>>95939077
Foe render doesn't require frenzy, it requires primal fury.

>>95939668
>>95939703
She goes down to 1.19 wounds from her attacks from round 2 onwards, vs. the chaos lord static at 1.48. He can afford the MoN to be somewhat more resilient, too, although it's gotta be pretty small change overall.

>>95939396
The chorfs, bull centaurs, and artillery are bad. The good lists are 2 monster mounted characters, hobgoblins, black orcs and 2 iron daemons. You can make good lists with them but they don't run how I would like them to.

>>95939703
>>95939721
both of these assume she isnt casting magic, nor hitting with magic missiles etc
its just funny someone is shilling her as not that busted when she can still looks good next to a premier combat lord with minimal effort and still can do a shitton more.

>>95939707
nta
I'm regretting going DHW reading this chain

>>95939707
i always get it mixed, still a 56% chance of ap-2 vs 1 attack or S7 ap-2 always to me is a no brainer. I'm playing beastmen i dont want my guys being fat ironbreakers i want murder

>>95939740
Well, that isn't the premier combat lord. It's the barebones version of it. Yeah she can cast assailments in combat, but what assailment is really making the difference here? She can take hammerhand. She can take ancestral warriors from her own list, but it's a push to cast that at 11+ on a level 2. She doesn't get spectral doppelganger. She's not guaranteed to get anything else from the lore she does have access to.

I'm starting to find this discussion tiresome. There was another anon upthread or last thread saying she really isn't that killy, and I agree. Miao Ying is a very good unit that is hard to deal with, but if she's being leveraged as a dragon she's not being leveraged as a level 4 and vice versa. You can't just say she is the strongest at every particular thing all the time because that's not how the unit works, and every transformation means a turn off from combat because she cannot charge once she's done it. The Shugengan Lord is a more broken unit than Miao Ying is. The Sky Lantern is a more broken unit than she is. There's worse things to complain about in Cathay than the special character dragon, and arguably her strongest ability is the fact she's a very hard to kill 485 points which massively tilts the VPs in Cathay's favour.

>>95939776
Minos are pretty fragile. There's a reason they allow you to mix weapons in the unit.

>>95939684
yeah theres a little like falling from heights, climbing and I think a plunging fire rule, but nothing too great
houses with a single upper floor and the dip for the canal should be more than enough

>>95939784
>chaos lord on a dragon isn't a premier combat lord
wow. besides the fact definitely you're a retard, besides the fact you're ignoring stuff like her special missile on purpose, and the fact youre samefagging, the simply truth is that other things being more broken in Cathay doesn't change the fact Miao is way overpowered for what she does. the fact she goes toe to toe with achas dragonlord, while being a level4 (really level 5) wizard or I'm sorry level 3 wizard, with plenty of access to her lore (maybe you forgot that in her 3 pages of rules...). If you werent an obvious tourneyfag you'd see how this being not even the most op part of Cathay will make Cathay 100% a casual stomp power gamer army that requires the absolute best possible min maxed shit to even content with. I'm sorry, but the shilling overtime isnt fooling anyone.

To the anons arguing about DLords vs Miao
Don't forget to include she's a wizard who can go Illusion for -1 to hit and Spectral

>>95939797
hmm so what do you think then would be the best mix? personally I'll stick with GW (mostly cause I aint going to buy more minos) I'm curious what the optimal loadout will be.

>>95939824
She doesn't go toe to toe with the chaos dragonlord, she loses in combat with it. Her magic missile does average 4 S5 hits to it, which barely scratches it. She gets what 1 turn of that and if she wants to commit to that it likely gets the charge, which means the chaos lord gets lance attacks to tilt things even more in his favour. She's unlikely to be a counts-as level 5 or counts-as level 3 because the faction only has extremely expensive wizards and you need 2 wizards within 12" of each other to trigger the bonus, and if you're taking Miao Ying and a Shugengan Lord that's half your entire army already so you can't afford to have them be babysitting each other.

Like yeah Miao Ying probably does stomp in casual games, but the solution to that is not to bring Miao Ying in fucking casual games you whining cunt. And I would note she's really fucking easy to misplay with too, because her rules are so complex.

>>95939826
She doesn't have Illusion access. Read the fucking rules you're complaining about. The Shugengans do but Miao Ying is restricted to Battle, High and Elementalism.

>>95939854
>she loses to it! the missile sucks (ignores ap-3)
>as long as I ignore all her rules (it will get the charge vs movement d6 or might of heaven, or the yin/yang winds, etc etc)
>and never would someone bring that super undercosted lord i mentioned to boost her
>plus other army buffs for the same points (
fuck off shill, go paint up your 3rd dragon or some shit and fuck off. All you've proven is bullshit who downplays all her bonsues (really im sure with +3 she couldnt possibly cast anything) lying through your teeth about her prowess.
you forgot too the leadership test to even challenge her in your maths im sure too, which while minor a above 1/6 chance of getting fucked is never nothing. Oh and the utulity to the rest of her army. for the same points? yeah nah faggot

>>95939859
Damn son, chill out.

>>95939854
>And I would note she's really fucking easy to misplay with too, because her rules are so complex.
Imagine defending a model because its got so much bullshit surely guy will forget some of it, making it less worth its points.

>>95939826
That's the shugengan lord. Who is also incredible and will be a nightmare when he's stomping you into the dirt with a doppelganger'd ogre blade / dragon slaying sword / whatever.

>>95939956
That is relevant to the idea she's going to be oppressive in casual games, where people are also more likely to fuck things up.

>>95939963
She's going to be oppressive to everyone one but the sweatiest of sweats to which she nay be merely "ok." I think the more you argue the more I hate grand Cathay desu. At least the bret lord is a simple click and point dude not some anime protagonist doing a million things every turn. Gay.

>>95938670
testing ideas for my zombies

I don't think Cathay being a hair below insanely cringe shit like VC screams, Peg Knight spam, Tomb Kings double dragon double necrosphinx, or bowshabti castle mortuary cults by virtue of showing up is a good thing.

>>95940007
>Le grimdark washed out brown tones

>>95940016
Welcome to TOW, the game that looks even more like Age of Sigmar than Age of Sigmar!

>>95940007
They look really good.

>>95940026
most cancerous post anyone has made in this entire thread. Shitting on effort will always be loser behaviour

>>95940027
The fact you base all your experience off of AoS speaks more to your issues than TOWs.

>>95940027
I disagree

>>95940045
AoS takes flanderiziation to a whole new level, including with their version of slayers.

>>95940034
Bro chill my beastmen are also Le epic grimdark washed out browns

>>95940016
it's kind of the worst of all worlds, you can't bring it to a tourney and win, but you can't bring it to casual saturday night and lose

>>95940058
Look at these rapey subhumans

>>95940078
>only one arm and still on the hunt
what a chad

>>95940016
ON THIS BOARD THE BOWSHABTI CASTLE IS BASED. END OF STORY.

>>95938569
>any good bits?
lol what year is it. just print em.

>>95940026
Yes.

My idea is to paint the zombies/skeleton pretty monotone to intentionally create a big brick that functions as interesting background for important models like characters or particular models I want to call attention to, but rewards you with pretty interesting model variety and little details if you look closer rather than the intentional focal points.

I did something similar with my 40k chaos and found it very fun (and forgiving) to paint, and look very good as an assembled host as long as you don't paint everyone as a stinky brown blob, but instead vary it significantly without violating your chosen limited pallet

Almost certainly Kislev will be next on the table since Cathay seems to be doing well. I think them pulling them from the starting set was less the war in Russia and more them not being confident on a new faction for the setting when they didn’t know how well TOW would sell in the first place.

So you guys think there's no hope of getting chaos dwarfs in warhammer fantasy?

>>95940158
They are though?

>>95940077
>hey I got the new Cathay
>ugggh
>Hmm yeah it's pretty gay, how about we give you extra points? Or I'll make a relatively bad combo (if possible for cathay) not min maxing my heart out. I'll even give you plenty of pointers so we both can have fun
This being a possibility on how 2 people could play enraged, scared, and sickened our resident WAACfag

>>95940151
Nah i think they'll put out the some other legacy armies first and then once the popular armies are you you anchor the end of the Edition with a new army. The fact that Cathay's army is quite literally a single unit of infantry, a single unit of cavalry 2 big SEU's and 2 generic lords and 1 named lord is something that concerns me a bit desu.

>>95940165
What are you trying to say? That doesn't make sense.

>>95940170
>Or I'll make a relatively bad combo
That would just be a lot of Core. Which you can probably do if you buy two boxes.
It's 4 pieces of artillery but that isn't that devastating

>>95940175
oh i forgot about the artillery

>>95940175
>release half an army
>make it busted af
>it sells
>release the 2nd half a year later
>nerf the first half
The GW playbook

>>95940175
>>95940181
It’s a brand new range what do you want? Look at Votann or Emperors Children or other brand new recent ranges.

>>95940177
>Orks player

>>95940204
idk..... at minimum i guess i'd expect them to throw out some upgrade sprews for halberds or something.

>>95940221
with the 2nd AJ that is.

I just noticed that the Sky Lantern crane guns are just better Jezzails
I am even saltier

>>95940170
The army list is literally not big enough to make something intentionally weak unless you just spend 300 points on useless magic items

What do you think of the Dwarf Expeditionary Force vs a Grand Army?
EF can take rangers as core and 6 artillery pieces. Plus the scout gyrocopters.
Meanwhile Grand Army can be lead by a king and get longbeards as core.

>>95940204
Not waste two of the kit slots on big ugly fuck huge models and instead just 2 more actual units so they could have something like a real army, and include crossbows in the jade warriors sprue instead of one of the melee options

>>95938569
I think you'll have to go 3rd party or 3D print some bits

>>95940238
Look at the box price/value vs the centrepieces. Those big models is where GW makes the fattest margins and most revenue due to lower point per dollar

>>95940221
The Jade Warriors have options for hand weapons or halberds in the kit thobeit

>>95940232
Spam a million jade warriors & lancers with just the gate characters and maybe some rocket batteries.

What were they thinking when they wrote this lore?

>>95940204
I expect more from a million dollar company

>>95940057
I still want to know what the fuck they were thinking with the Fyreslayers.
>You know that niche element of dwarf culture?
>What if we turned that into a totally stand-alone faction?
>No, they won't have any engineering stuff.
>Yes, all of their models will look the same.
>No, we won't have more than ten models in the range.
>Yes, we will make a big lizard with absolutely no prior relation to dwarf lore a centrepiece model.
Seriously, what the actual fuck? I know GW hate dwarfs, but this is unambiguously "we don't give a shit and didn't try" territory.

>>95940257
shut up gweilo, the team said NO skulls

>>95940238
I'm sure they'll get rules eventually but it's not a good sign of things to come that they didn't just release full rules for the eventual model range and let people convert or wait.

>>95940278
In order to play Cathay you'll need all 3 AJs at minimum

>>95940244
>3D print some bits
pretty much always the answer. and the reason most of the bits sellers and garage casters died out in the last 5 to 10.

shopping through dozens of sites to find the perfect bit and then paying $2 per torso plus international shipping ain't shit when the competition is "have any bit you want in any quantity you want, for pennies, in one hour. oh and you can rescale or modify it as much as you like so you know it will 100% fit."

>>95940257
What's wrong with the lore soft-shiping Miao with Sigmar?

I think, that Cathay, is a micro faction.

>>95940045
At least in TOW:

>Dwarves are called Dwarfs and not "Duardin."
>Elves are called Elves and not "Aelves."
>Orcs are called Orcs and not "Orruks."

>>95940278
>release the army rules
>gold rush to make STLs for the missing units
>by the time gw gets around to it eveyong has 30 printed dinglong riflemen

I mean, I miss the days of the hellpit abomination having no official model, but I get it.

List of units where using the official model without personalization is basically admitting you're an NPC who lacks the spark of creation

Demon prince
Chaos Spawn
Hellpit abomination
All character models

Thank you for your attention to this matter

>>95940362
Also Ogres aren't called Ogors

>>95940362
Do you know what we don't have in AoS? Chinks and other fucking Asians.

>>95940378
Chinese elves and Persians. I guess.

I want to sticky tack little straw hats on my empire army and give them paper standards with picrel and xi jinping as winnie the pooh and call it a cathay army.

>>95940372
>tfw npc

>>95940365
I hate 3d printing. There are so many options for getting crossbows out there.

>>95940378
you literally do though

AoS currently has 23 armies (24 potentially once the Chaos Dwarves are put in)
TOW currently has 10 armies.
Dark Elves, Chaos Dwarves, Ogres, Skaven, Deamons of Chaos (Undivided), Lizardmen, Vampire counts, Kislev and Dogs of War gets them to 19 armies but what would be the best option for the other 5? Vampire Coast, Snakemen of Khuresh, Nippon, Hobgoblin Khanate and Araby are my hopes.

>>95940424
Less humans and actual fantasy creatures

>>95940424
Why do we need 24 armies?
Half of AoS is one-run slop that gets forgotten every edition.
Just bring back the legacy factions in 2e.

>>95940432
Nippon could go either way depending on Oni's and shit

>>95940437
Can’t wait to hear how Nipponese steel has been folded 1 gorillion times and is as strong as gromril

>>95940424
none, if you really need more you should just make armies of infamy with 2-3 actual kits and treat them like blood angles or something. Vampire coast for instance should just be VC but with zombie crew, canon, and depth guard.

>>95940424
>Snakemen of Khuresh
I would like this

I quit vaping/nicotine cold turkey 2 months ago. My output for painting and modelling was much higher on nicotine. I am considering going back on to increase my output.

>>95940462
more fleshed out armies aligned with the chaos gods that aren't just random cultists
Khuresh = Slaanesh
Nippon = 2 seperate armies, one that's Oni's/samurai for Khorne, one that's more spiritual/monks and shit for Tzeentch
Ind = Nurgle.

These all being relatively recent changes of the gods infecting the various nations (except khuresh)

>>95940451
not as strong, but stronger.
In fact they're the one who taught the Dwarfs runemagic

>>95940509
I mean we do know the Eshin's apparently learned how to be sneaky from Nippon, though WH3 retconned this to Cathay

>look in at my empire army sitting in the display cabinet
>think about what has any non universal special
>my general auto passes panic
>my grand master gives his unit itp
>my hellblaster has a modified version of organ gun fire
>my engineer gets full cover near war machines and gives out rerolls / ballistic skill to war machines
I can't stop getting more mad about Empire. Skaven might be worse but they have special rules both for units and army special rules, a fair few unique weapons, and a magic lore. My entire Empire army has a third the unique rules of Miao Ying and less than the sky lantern.

>>95940238
Anon there aren't "kit slots" or whatever the fuck you're taling about, a special character isn't getting in the way of making infantry kits, they're completely different product pipelines

>>95940531
Ehhh depends, assuming they've got product being made 24/7 on all lines then producing one item means you aren't producing something else.

>>95938482
>>95938517
>>95938525
So what do you do when this happens? Press on with something you aren’t feeling or switch your hobbying focus?

thanks for the recs >>95937475 >>95937464 will look for that wfrpg lite in the trove some time.

>>95940548
The Grass is always greener on the other side

>>95940568
Different anon here but I'd take a look at Warlock!, which was supposedly made to be a rules light version of WFRP (1st edition?).
I haven't played it but it's often suggested as an alternative for people who find actual WFRP too crunchy. The upcoming TOW RPG uses a different system and is set in a different time period, so I don't know how close to WFRP it's really going to be (haven't read it yet). My impression is that it's supposed to be both simpler and more "heroic" in tone and character power level.

>>95940548
As with most things in life. Adopting a mentality of " put the fries in the bag " gets results.

>>95940691
can somebody translate pls?

>>95940691
rotten culture

>>95940518
They did? Ah! Pathetic.
>>95940527
Likewise, Empire was made into the 'default' stat block army without nay special rules to make them special, just the standard rules.
The fact that they downplayed considerably the political tension and the many army options they could have had to turn it into a stable, 3 way cold war, and where Talabecland is somehow in the same bloc as Stirland, and there's little friction, like they're all waiting for Magnus to show up.
Or maybe Cathay.

>>95940518
>Learn to be ninjas from China, not Japan
The fuck

>>95940662
I actually looked into warlock, unfortunately it seems like a d20 system. which seems really superfluous to me withthe amount of d20 shitbrews out there.
> upcoming TOW RPG
> both simpler
interested
>more heroic
not so interested

didnt get good vibes just by the modern dnd style art, but art is not system, so i will hold out hope. thanks for the rec though.

>>95938670
Getting started on some Chariots. Sticking the plastic Bray Shaman on Raven Twin's Razorgor Chariot sculpt worked out pretty well imo.

>>95940744
It means when you find your desire to do something you should do waning, treat it like you would a Mcjob. Just put the fries in the bag ( just do it )

>>95940546
It's not a question of production lines, it's development pipelines. They can make room however they need by reducing the how many of one kit they're making, it's not a case of one machine makes one mould and that's it. But they don't only have so many designers that can make only so many kits and not all kits are designed the same way by the same amount of people in the same amount of time. The amount of time and work it takes to design an infantry kit is not the same as the amount of work and time it takes to make a balloon kit or whatever.

>>95940765
Oh yeah, fair enough. I actually assumed it was a percentile system. I'm not sure why it always comes up as a WFRP alternative then. Maybe just the tone.

>>95940765
Just play WFRP 2nd edition, it's light enough and with a good amount of books for it.

>>95940805
>maybe its just the tone
which seems odds since literally every other osr game is trying to go for a gritty NOT! warhammer vibe anyways.

>ching chong bing bong me yellow and short me cant open eyes
why tf would anyone be interested in cathay in warhammer (western) fantasy again???

>>95940409
yeah but they cost more and take longer for less options and worse quality.
that's not a good trade.

>>95940869
maybe they are a “ ching chong bing bong me yellow and short me cant open eyes”

gw def wants ching money.

>>95940786
thanks m8

>>95940869
Ummm Asian women? Also Cathay release and success means we are one step closer to Kislev

>>95940424
Sea Elves.

>>95940257
Its a subtle dig against the chicoms
Chicoms steal everything
Cathay takes credit for everything

>>95940518
> though WH3 retconned this to Cathay
Eshin assasins being trained from Cathay not Nippon have nothing to do with TWW

>>95941108
>>95940518
Nah they are still trained in Nippon originally there is just Eshin presence in Cathay too. Just as how there is a maneater variant who's a ninja samurai type that's also from Nippon.

>>95940362
dwarf is a slur, they are called dawi

thats a groodgin

Is it true that Age of Sigmar has seen a decline in popularity?

>>95941114
No mention of Nippon here.

>>95941223
Ask them why don't you

>>95941246
he has been. that guys been trolling the age of sigmar thread for a week straight

>>95941233
Because they are so adept at hiding themselves

>>95940027
the amazing irony of TOW is that gw attempting to solidify their branding is what brought aos and is one of the reasons grogs hate aos. But branding is exactly the reason grogs play TOW, because there are numerous rank and flank games that blow tow out of the water in terms of rules and even models (a song of ice and fire, conquest, kings of war), but alas tow is a gw(tm) game with gw (tm) races, so gotta eat gw slop. poor grogs

>>95940869
Bro, just take the fucking W already. Cathay's sold out success means we're on track to getting the legacy armies back soon.

>>95941284
Asoiaf has thoroughly mediocre models and the plastic is trash. Game is also ass imo.
Conquest I haven't played yet but the models look cool but the kits aren't very well designed and generally don't fit well.

>>95940527
Run more witch hunters and warrior priests.

>>95940869
The only people who still care about TOW are TWW secondaries (citation: OP) and chinks feeling jazzed about being pandered to. Everyone who plays wargames went elsewhere ages ago.

>>95941271
I'm actually a different guy, I just find it extremely funny that that guy is doing agitprop against AoS and building up all these lies about how there's a 300 acre dumping ground of abandoned AoS sprues or whatever. So I imitate him from time to time.

>>95941359
so why are you here?

>>95941337
Conquest reminds me, of all things, of Armies of Arcana.
It's a similar roll =< your ws to hit, and then you can modify the =< save roll of the enemy.
What really sets "why is this game 40mm?" apart is the movement and deployment since nothing starts deployed. You then start to bring your army in by lights, then mediums in turn 2, and heavies have to come in turn 3+.
Makes you have to balance your army to have enough lights to push your supply point forwards but not so much you get bullied off by anyone with armor. Seriously one of the better units in the game is what's essentially empire greatswords, in a game full of bio organic mechas and dinosaur cavalry. Mostly because they have a decent save, morale, and cleave 2.

>>95941359
Yeah, it's called Battletech or Age of Sigmar or anything else on this list.

>>95941301
>but muh not real warhammer
>no I won't play the edition of warhammer I think is real warhammer I want to complain about china
I would say as long as they're having fun complaining, but it's getting obnoxious

>>95941393
Source?

>>95941374
Idk man, conquest is shit, my lgs was shilling it hard enough to cover my booked table with a bunch of frogs saying ‘it’s much better than fantasy’ on a table I’d pre booked. By way of apology the dude gave me a conquest box.
I read the rules, watched some videos read the rules again. Hated it.

They played like one game and flitted to the next fomo, all of them sold their armies.

Conquest Models go together like shit.oppressive mould lines in certain areas.
But you know all of that would pales to the predatory shit with unit upgrades.
You buy one inf box, you buy seperately the command for the box. The command replaces rank and file models on those stupid 4 pack trays- those extra non command models cannot be used. Since you won’t have 4, even if you source another 4 tray.

Anyway this isn’t the dead shit wargame general, let’s keep it fantasy please.

Here’s a cheap wagon I painted up, totally going to use it as a supply wagon marker for empire.

>>95941398
If GW can garner interest from another large market, this means Warhammer Fantasy will never be squatted again.

>>95941405
https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/59244/top-miniatures-lines-fall-2024

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfYdxglLLaM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJgr4EWlAw0

>>95940313
Bit of a dumb POV.

The reason bits sellers are dying out is because GW changed to the jigsaw assemblies. Kits that can be easily divided into kitbasheable bits are few and far between now. The kitbashing itself often takes much more effort and hobby knowledge/skill.

GW is slowly killing kitbashing, that's why there are fewer sellers.

Most people don't want to deal with the misery of sticking a resin bit to a perfectly good hard plastic kit btw. 3D printed bits are kind of subpar for kitbashing. They're good for the poor and desperate, though, who are willing to use a lesser medium that's less expensive and hard to acquire.

>>95941284
Like it or not, you can always find someone in your area to play 40k, AoS, or ToW. Good luck finding some to play Kings of War, Conquest, or any other "No-Name" or "Unironically Who?" fantasy miniature wargames, especially if you live in the rural buck fucking out of nowhere.

>>95941419
TOW isn't even top 10? Sells less than ASOIAF or Warmachine?

>>95941438
>a list of some independent retailers and their sales in North America is reflective of all Warhammer games sales

>>95941438
ICv2 get their data by giving out surveys to US local game stores. This won't have any data from online retailers like Amazon. In 2024, the vast majority US LGSs got very few ToW miniatures and they were always selling out and never being restocked. For example, if the inventory for a LGS only has 10 ToW products vs unlimited AoS products, of course AoS is going to outsell ToW because its not selling any ToW after 10.

>>95940527

Why do GW players have this mindset that you need more and more and more special rules for each army?

>>95941465
well, aos is currently taking the opposite apprach, stripping out rules and customizations, and its arguably the biggest contributor to the games current downturn in satisfaction with the new edition

>>95941438
See>>95941462

It's not really a good metric to judge sales as it only tracks data from third party American stores that have been asked to submit sales and have chosen to participate.

>>95938749
Glad you like the choice.
Aqua really encapsulates Yin-Yin, in spite some butthurt anons may say; both her (possible) appearance, and her affinity for water.

>>95941488

Fair enough. I've been more into alternative wargames where you typically have a few broad unit profiles that can have some added universal special rules. I've found that sufficient and found the GW fan insistence on having the most minute differences between units be represented with special rules and profiles as rather odd. But it makes sense from a business perspective.

Post your dudes!

Small questionnaire
>Did the general/main hero of your dudes study or learn from someone in the past?
>Is it something the covet more than food, security and wealth?
>Do your dudes hold any land they can exert power over?
>What’s their opinion on elven wine?

Just started reading Gortrek and Felix from the first omnibus. The first short story in Trollslayer mentions the drug dens of Altdorf. Is there any info on which drugs are popular in the Empire?

>>95941644
weirdroot gives you hallucigenic dreams, but beware if its spiked with warpstone powder.

>>95941671
Very cool! Thanks, did you learn about it from the RPG?

>>95941675
Cant recall where from. Google weirdroot warhammer fantasy, should be a wiki page.

>>95938670
Elf on the shelf.

Still working on assembling a kit of phoenix guard and a kit of white lions.

Need ellyrian reavers to come back in stock to complete the entire high elven range for my display. Although id need one of those ugly ass merwyrms too i guess, but not sure if i like the model enough to get it.

This is going to take me a year to paint.

>>95941716
I thought those aos dragons were smaller, how do they compare with the tubular helf dragons?

>>95940527
Empire is the basic bitch NPC faction so it makes sense it has no interesting special rules

>>95941723
They look cooler imo. More muscular while the old models are long and thin. Its just a matter of taste desu. I got the dragon kit for the riders, those easily proxy on to the aos dragons.

>>95941622
Working on my glade guard again, Musician done. Now to do 4 more to get 14 sized unit. Then onto maidenguard finishing thenglade riders wild riders etc etc.
>general
Not sure yet but the background is they are border sentinels of the meadowglades, defending Loren from various dwarf and human traders along the vaults plus monsters. They covet isolation and long for being free to move and run through the high meadows and foothills of Cavaroc instead of the more sombre sentinel duties.
>power over?
The valleys and forests bordering south Loren
>thoughts of elven wine?
Connoisseur of the elven enchanted dry wines, of which pair wonderfully after a hard days ride through the sunny fields.

>>95941723
Lemme do an assembly and comparison real quick.

>>95941742
>itty bitty dragonling
I wonder how long it takes for them to grow

>>95938670
Space Dwarfs to practice painting. I want to die, but that feeling will pass I hope when I stop thinking the work I am doing is assss

>>95941769
Ridley looking little shit.

>>95941769
The old model is slightly bigger for sure.

Not a bad looking longboi, but i still like the old model.

>>95941438
Point to HH on that list

Scale.

Honestly, im coming around to the old design.. its not too bad.

>>95941742
>>95941782
Thank you

>>95941465
The game is not all that interesting when it is just stat block vs stat block and Empire lose that fight anyways.

>>95941789
Nta but it was pretty nifty back in 6th and 5th with less unit special rules but it is fair to say Empire got the raw end of the stick

>>95941727
Every time I hear somebody say this I just think "wow you must be retarded", given you can't find how pike & shot tactics adapted to a fantasy world could have very cool rules. Hell, Brettonia has less wacky shit, especially in fantasy, than Empire and even they have special rules.

>>95941769
Yo where's this model from?

>>95941805
I would kill for a kind of improved detachement rule for our state troops

>>95941808
The high elf dragon kit. You get a small kiddo one for decorating the base.

>>95938718
>Nachexen 10, 10IC
That's a neat detail, desu. But wouldn't that be a bit too early in the timeline?

>>95941789
>>95941795

Ehh, just stat block Vs stat block can be interesting when you take things into account like positioning (does the unit get a flank charge, is a unit charged by multiple units? Maybe an impetuous unit was baited to attack a unit of light cavalry that made a feigned flight?)

>>95941826
I think the year 0 of the imperial calendar is the birth of the empire not the birth of sigmar

>>95941735
Kino

Hey so what went wrong with Empire? Still got a bunch of stuff I haven't refurbished yet

>>95941786
>Honestly, im coming around to the old design.. its not too bad.
I think its reception was originally poor because they chose to heavily feature the build option without the larger backspines back then, making the dragon look weirdly naked, which is fine only when you really want have 2 dragons and underline one as the younger and weaker of the two, but it's a bad idea for your main promotional photos

>>95941845
this was the main photo of the dragon

>>95941805
Yeah, but empire is not interesting but bland and boring. So they get no special rules.

>>95941815
the detachment rule is fine, not much to change about it

if anything they should make it more situational for cathay
>imperial detachments work by being potentially multiple, up to half the size of the main unit, can react anytime, and the main unit cannot, viceversa, react as a detachment of the detachment

>cathayan detachments have to be at least more than half the size of the main unit, but cannot be more than 1.5 times the size of the unit*, there can be only one detachment to one unit, both the detachment and the main unit can react for the other, BUT only once per game**
>*if the detachment gets enough models removed to be reduced to less than half the numbers of the main unit it can't act as detachment
>**either the detachment or the main unit, not once per game for each
how's this as a proposed difference? this makes cathayans detachments look different, less capable of minmaxing, relatively more situational because they can't act as often, and making both their units roughly equally sized blocks that can act for the other evokes their yin yang thang better than simply copying the empire rule

>>95941885
>at least more than half the size of the main unit, but cannot be more than 1.5 times the size of the unit*

It's way more streamlined to say they have to be equally sized units at the start of the game.

>>95941895
>full tercios now
The relentless failure of Estalia.

>>95941909
Who cares about estalia? we have more stuff about fucking nippon than on estalia.

Dogs of war was all about tileans, estalia is a frankly useless nation of the old world, waste of space on the map.

>>95941845
Yeah, he for sure looks better with the larger scales

>>95941843
They're just shafted on many fronts.
Infantry blocks aren't really all that useful this edition. You can make a static combat res block, but the issue is most cav turn off your combat res, and ditto if something hits your side or rear arc. Teutogen guard are better but still not good.
Knights are the best core option and are okay. IC knights are also okay but can't be core.
Artillery got nerfed overall, great cannons won't do more than chip wounds off monsters / monstrous cav. Doesn't help with TOW's dragon epidemic. Hellblasters are okay.
The combat characters are comically overcosted and don't really do anything other than hand out mild leadership buffs. Griffons are solid but you'll lose to things at a similar points level because of the rider.
Priests have okay buffs locked behind a test on bad leadership.
Witch hunters are an odd spot. If you pick whatever is useful for the match, maybe they're okay.
For the good parts, wizards are relatively cheap and have access to most lores and a pegasus for a mount, in exchange for not having any army signature spells.
Demigryphs are great, decent argument for them being the best monstrous cav in the game.
Steam tanks are also good.
To wrap up though, if your opponent brings a good combat lord on a big mount, you still don't have anything to stop them from ramming it down your throat and even if they don't, you are still stuck spending a signifcant amount of your points on things that lose to most other units in their weight class.

I heard that a full minotaur army is a thing, is it good? What restrictions does it have? Should I use the minotaurs currently sold or those AOS ones?
Pic unrelated.

>>95941918
No we don't, stop lying. The most attention Nippon had any significant focus was in 2nd edition.

Although the Dogs of War had mostly focused on Tilea, the faction is about the Southern Realms.

>>95941918
Estalia mostly serves as a means to have both the crusades and reconquista referenced in Warhammer, but all of Spain's things were instead done by the French and Germans which I find funny.

>>95941963
>The most attention Nippon had any significant focus was in 2nd edition.
And it's still significantly more than estalia got.
Most the units you think are estalian are actually tilean.
For how retarded the old fluff is, we have names and historical events and beliefs and a unique armylist for nippon, estalia has got nothing, it leeches off tilea while pretending it's its equal.

What empire units would be a fun addition to play alongside cathay?

>>95941960
>Anime girl

Use whatever models you prefer, but keep in mind the army probably won't be 100% minotaur, you need a second core choice that can't be minotaurs.

It could be a herdstone if you really wanna go all in but you probably want a unit of Gors or hounds for screening.

Apparently it's not very strong but what do I know I'm an AI bot just trying to simulate real discussion on this long dead website

>>95942028
if you go full artillery, war wagons and thanks you can proxy cathayan units as imperial equivalents and run an army of the school of engineers with imperial hot air balloons and ogre loaded cannons

>>95942028
Steam cannon

>>95941960
Not amazing. Almost your entire army will have impetuous. It's a very much "me move forward, me charge" playstyle if that's your thing.

I know Empire State Troops suck, but if you did want to use them effectively, which formation would be best? What's the best width and depth to use?

>>95942064
Depends of the situation you dummy.

>>95941963
>No we don't, stop lying. The most attention Nippon had any significant focus was in 2nd edition.
Can't wait the sensivity team to find out about Kamikaze

>>95940527
You're acting like Empire used to have tons of crazy rules. Detachments was pretty much always their gimmick, and I don't remember a time when people actually used it. I think the only time I remember people using it was as a stupid exploit to use skirmisher archers to redirect charges.

>>95942064
more like Creampire Bate Troons

>>95942070
Alright, what should I run if I want to maximize my chances of actually winning a combat, or what would be the best formation for just being an anvil to hold something in place as long as possible.

>>95942083
the warhammer version wasn't that offensive of a reference, it was just warriors so dedicated to the battle to take a vow that if they didn't give everything and die in the battle they would be ready to take their own life to prove they're not dishonourable cowards

>>95942090
Noonehaseverdonethat.mp4

>>95942100
the probability is so slim that mathematically you cannot win a combat against any other infantry in the game and there is not a lot you can do to change that. Halberds are probably worth it because he few attacks you get in may as well be Str4, you will want numbers so really 30-40, probably 10 wide because buying drilled isn't worth it on state troops. You also want to think about getting stubborn so you may need vets and a standard like the Nuln one. You could also go for the Griffon Standard on a ridiculous number like 40-50, have a ton of ranks and double the combat res so you can go in with 10+ static res. You can try warrior priests but their leadership is so pathetic good luck casting prayers. Essentially they aren't built to win fair combats but to tarpit or kill weakened enemy units. Spending points on them just isn't worth it.

It took me until now to realize that Massif Orcal is pronounced with a soft c.

>>95942064
Just to hold for a little bit? Sword + board state troops.
Win a combat? VST spear + shield with griffon banner and bsb with war banner. Bring a detachment to eat first charge if need be.

>>95942100
Empire have some ways to really boost combat res via characters, like the laurels of victory or the griffon standard on a BSB.

>>95942140
I've tried halberds, you're almost never attacking first and so the damage output doesn't matter. Spears at least let you attack.

>>95942170
yeah I'm not going to argue either way whether more str3 attacks or less str4 attacks is better, it's a fools errand in a empire list in any case.

>>95942187
Just keep your britches on.

Infantry is getting some serious buffs in this upcoming errata which will even help state troops

>+1 combat res if outnumbering
>+1 armour save with HW+Shield
> likely getting step up so you can tank charges
> can fight in two ranks

>>95942167
But griffon standard sucks since you still can't get more than +2 combat res from ranks, since it doesn't increase the maximum afaik.

>>95942206
i mean that may well be RAW but if you play with someone who plays it like that I suggest beating them with hammers

>>95942206
Griffon standard sucks, but playing rai it's because there are 56 different units / mounts with first charge.
>>95942217
Shocking to me it hasn't been faq'd.

>>95942204
It'll be very funny if this is real because dwarves will become a nightmare army and I am not mentally prepared for fight in 2 ranks step up 2+ armour save black orcs.

You don't like demigryphs? You don't like your Empire armies being 18-20 demigryphs?

What are base fixes you'd implement on Empire State Troops?

For me:
>gain Horde as an additional rule
>choose either spear or halberd or shield
>if spear/halberd can also buy a shield for +1ppm
>no such thing as veteran state troops, 1 per 1,000pts can buy +1WS and the Veteran rule for 1ppm
>Drilled, Stubborn and Shieldwall as 1 per 1,000pts buyable special rules at 1ppm each

>>95942064
Brick of state troops with spear and shield, plus gryffon standard. I put my mage with battle magic inside to spam oaken shield.

>>95942268
>>gain Horde as an additional rule
Stopped reading

>>95942271
Why?

>>95942268
Put some kind of bonus if at 6ps of an other block of State Troops of US10 or more

>>95942268
>to be viable infantry needs 4 seprate rules
what a shit ruleset fuck my life.

>>95942297
Rules complexity isn't an inherently bad thing, it just gives you options.

>>95942302
not inherently, no, but the mainline warhammer games are the industry benchmark for what out-of-control rules bloat looks like. rules complexity is a bad thing when it's excessive and unnecessary.

>>95942302
your options should be tactical on the table not during list building

>>95942313
It's probably going to be much harder to fix the innate problems of infantry vs. cavalry vs. monsters in this edition by rewriting the core rules than it is by band-aiding on some special rules, so I expect GW to do the latter.

>>95942316
The two aren't in contradiction. A killer list will fail on the table if you don't know how to pilot it and react to the opponent's moves. There's no wargame I know of outside of historicals with fixed forces that doesn't have some emphasis on list building.

>>95942321
>I expect GW to do the latter.
I expect they'll do both. bandaid on some special rules and then rush out a new edition. which, as usual, will break more than it fixes.

>>95941806
Different anon here, looks like HElf has a head and a bit on the Draconith, lengthwise. Maybe if the built-in pose on the latter was straightened out it might be just a head's length.

>>95942321
they aren't in contradiction but the best designed rules will have ingame interactions, like a shieldwall rule being negated in the flanks or rear.

>>95938670
working through my glade guard/ deepwood scouts
another four hooded elves to go, and then I will start assembling and painting the other two kits in the battalion box, as a palate cleanser

>>95938670
120 zombies. Slowly.

>>95942316
List building is part of the game anon and a part of the game people enjoy. Further, if decisions made during list building don't matter then it's going to be extremely hard for decisions made during a game to matter.

>basing my models and making sure they rank up on old bases then using movement trays which bring units up to TOW measurements just in case things go tits up with TOW
Devilish

>>95941465
Because rules interactions are more engaging than stats interactions

Anyone play with the Renegade army lists? We have a local group of 10~ people at our LGS and talk has been going around about the possibility of introducing the changes since from what people have seen they're pretty good.
However, we have a chaos player who insists that we can't introduce those rules because it affects tournmanet play outside of the LGS and may provide an upperhand to people unfamiliar with the changes. A majority of us are fine with the changes considering over half of us use the Legacy Armies but people want to make it unanimous.

I mostly looked at the changes to Skaven and I don't think they really fuck with their list too much. If anything the change I am most happy about is making the Screaming Bell base ever so slightly wider.

Should I try to push these changes or is it worth just playing with the official PDFs?

>>95942345
Whats funny was the entire head of the aos dragon perfectly fit inside the mouth of the old world model.

The old world dragons are basically heroic scale compared to the aos dragons, but I like the look of the aos dragons. Also im running a ionus cryptborn dragon as a proxy for my dark elves lord on dragon that im building so its more consistent looking on the shelf next to eachother.

Also the old world dragon is so close to the ground that he has a tendency to crash with the models hes in contact with. Makes him harder to display in a limited shelf space.

>>95941828
Anon you're describing rules interactions not stats interactions

>>95942682
They really don’t break anything and they make the legacy factions a touch stronger and more fun to play so I would encourage it.

I didn't see it but I assume if you buy an extra hand weapon you do not get to choose to use just one to take advantage of something like Ensorcelled Weapons

>>95942682
Skaven changes fixed the retarded character restrictions
Made the Screaming Bell what it was for 20+ years, it's still kind of shit but it's funny
Fixed the HPA being the only Behemoth with T5 afaik

>>95942714
Yeah rule states a single hand weapon.

>>95942756
It also made the warp,lightning cannon subject to cannon faq, but also do d3+1 wounds or something.

>>95942682
If you have anyone playing daemons the renegade rules are pretty essential. There have been tournaments winners with DoC in TOW but if you're playing casually just having your ward save negated easily is such a debuff.

>>95942714
You can choose what to use with multiple viable weapon sets. If a unit has AHW and shields they can fight HW+shield or AHW. The biggest restriction on this is characters and magic weapons: if you have a magic weapon, you MUST use it and cannot select another weapon.

Relevant rules, sorry. Note lances are a special case and are only ever used in the first round of combat.

>>95942682
From what I remember seeing there were some good changes but a lot of dumb ones with it.

Like making warp lightning cannons do as much damage as great cannons but not changing anything else about it compensate, so you essentially now have an empire great cannons that goes hits all units in its path instead of just the first unit for 15 points cheaper.

>>95942804
It is random range, random strength that will friendly fire. Not exactly a board wide, S10 presence

>>95941769
malekith is said to have nurtured his first black dragon, sulekh, since it was an egg, right at the start of his plans to take the crown, those plans couldn't have possibly begun before his return to ulthuan from the period of friendship with the dwars in the old world
so we're looking at one year between -2774 (his return to ulthuan) and -2751 (the murder of bel shanaar), for the taking and hatching of the egg, while he is first mentioned in the timeline as riding the dragon in -2735
if we assume that's the actual first time he rides the dragon and that he rode the dragon as soon as it was big enough, then we may be looking at roughly 40 years between hatching and being big enough to ride
sulekh is slain roughly ten years later in -2724, but her children are mentioned, so she must have been sexually mature too, not just large enough to be used as mount

another part of the dark elves armybook says that a clutch of stolen eggs were nurtured with dark magic for a century before they hatched, and that the nobles spent many decades training to ride and fight with the new dragons

so it's fair to say that dragons go from babies to maturity in 25-50 years

>Here are some general size references for the Nile crocodile seen here at Londolozi:
>Hatchlings: Approximately 25-30cm (10-12 inches)
>Juveniles (1-3 years): Around 1-1.5m (3.3-5 ft)
>Sub-adults (4-7 years): About 2-3m (6.5-10ft)
>Adults (8+ years): Males can reach lengths of 4-5.5m (13-18ft), while females are typically smaller, averaging 3-3.5m (10-11.5ft)

hard to graph a rate of growth though

FUCK cathay

Finished up my Beastlord

Anyone got ideas on how I might make wolflike/houndlike Khorngors (beastmen mutated by khorne for the uninformed)

>>95942871
The Knorne Bloodbowl team as some wolf-headed Khornegors

>>95942871
You might be able to find Space Wolf wolf heads from someone that you could replace
I don't think they'd lend themselves to painted as flesh or fur, but could maybe pass as a helm

Does anyone have the link to the Cathay sprue review video that got posted ITT? I want to see what I actually need to get for a Mordheim warband.

>>95942958
This guy covers all the new kits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYADlPfy9Mo

>>95942984
Thanks anon

>>95942871
option one: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/osmoticmeld/osmoticmeld-the-hounds-of-hell

>>95942958
Gonna roll Battle Monks or proxy as something else?

>>95942617
>>95941465
>>95941789
when the core rules are really tedious and boring, special rules, magic items and spells have to do all the heavy lifting. the WHFB/TOW core is the absolute bottom of the barrel for tabletop wargame rulesets, so there's a fucking lot of ground to make up.

>>95943011
option two: https://www.ozdestro.com/beardy-hammer-blog/making-dog-soldiers-from-beastmen

>>95943018
I'm not really a fan of the Border Town Burning stuff. Probably just an alt-human warband.

>>95943029
option three:
>grab a box of clanrats, cut off the rat heads for your beastmen and turn them into dog heads by trimming the incisors and painting the nose black
>use the spare beastmen heads and skaven bodies for some wretched ungors

>>95938658
Youre right. We should see beastman cock and balls in all art since theyre nude.

>>95943047
option four:
>whatever cheap dog miniatures you can find, behead them and mount the dog heads onto your gors
>use the leftover dog bodies to convert chaos warhounds

>>95943079
option five:
>grab the claws of karanak band, trim the bolts and use minimal sprue glue and a different color scheme to paint the mask as if they were their actual flesh-hound-like faces
these would require kitbashes to give them digitigrade or ungulate legs

>>95943079
?

>>95942984
Huh, it looks like for a mercs warband you really just want the sky lantern crew and 2-3 copies of the human crew members of the cannon. They all look pretty easily to turn into Mordheim models honestly: a bunch work as-is, you can carve off gun barrels for crossbows, and there's even a couple of guys that look pretty easy to give polearms or spears.

Biggest downsides are there's nothing to really differentiate champions/youngbloods from the general mass, although you do have a clear captain model which is nice. And if you do want to use the ogre cannoneer as an ogre bodyguard you're potentially going to have to carve away an entire cannonball or barrel from the arm, which will be annoying. I think the champion of the jade warriors unit makes a decent Mordheim champion, but he is more heavily armored than you'd usually field a starting Mordheim model.

>>95943079
>>95942871
you'd be better off just modifying skaven directly, maybe with marauder parts. gors aren't salvageable for the most part since they also have the wrong feet and legs.

I'd probably just go alt models though. get something like the WGA werewolves or the frostgrave gnolls and fit them out with extra chaos weapons and banners.

>>95940119
how many bowshabti are needed for this castle?

Do you know what the Empire (& Dorfs) really need?
Imperial Dwarfs! We need new models of them.

>>95943155
12+

>>95942871
frostgrave gnolls are one ear surgery away from being wolfmen

>>95943131
While making a themed general merc warband is fine it's a touch disappointing there are no battle monks.

>>95938670
Just finished these doggos, I only have 5 for the moment because I picked them up at warboot, might need another 10 or so

>>95940078
>>95940058
apply yourself

>>95942871
These are kind of wolf-adjacent and might be a good source of parts
https://wargamesatlantic.com/products/werewolves?srsltid=AfmBOoryxtI1BMSzJScZCQM82uSumij4oAANqzh9boU6NiTkJH1-Rx9B
scale-wise they look like they might mesh ok with beastmen and other GW bodies

>>95943137
>since they also have the wrong feet and legs.
Dog feet aren't a hard requirement for khornogors

>>95942865
Very grisly fellow anon, I think his furry haunches could use one more colour .Grand effort otherwhise.
Here’s some cold one cav I’m doing. Still got more to go on skinka skin,scales and teeth but the raptors I’m pretty happy with.

Are 2 cannons and 2 gyrobombers enough to justify an expeditionary force?
Rest of my list is:
Burlok Damminson
2x engineers, expeditionary marksman
2x engineer sappers
1x thane BSB
2x 15x rangers w/ great weapons
2x 15x thunderers w/ expeditionary marksmen
15x warriors drilled/vet w/ shield
1x Bugman’s cart
Should I make room for more war machines? Engineers are in a unit with thunderers, sappers with rangers and thane with warriors.

>>95943536
That's a crazy amount of engineers but it looks like a fun and pretty thematic army. I wouldn't worry about the exact numbers of war machines. I kind of love this list because it feels like something that would cohesively exist in the setting as an expeditionary force - I am sure in "reality" the engineers could put together a few more cannons with access to a forge and materials if they really had to.

>>95943557
Oh whoops, I actually dropped the sappers. It’s just Dammison, 2 engis and a thane now.
I had to make room for some runes.
I thought it would be more fun to use a variety of units instead of 2 units of thunderers, a ranger unit and a bunch of artillery.

>>95943557
>>95943600
Sorry for being indecisive, but I wanted the sappers. Every infantry unit gets a hero now.

===
It Ain't Me [2000 pts]
Warhammer: The Old World, Dwarfen Mountain Holds, Expeditionary Force
===
Burlok Damminson [85 pts]
Engineer [68 pts]
Engineer [68 pts]
Thane [130 pts]
- BSB Master Rune of Hesitation
Engineer Sapper [84 pts]
Engineer Sapper [84 pts]
++ Core Units [1071 pts] ++
15 Thunderers [185 pts]
15 Thunderers [185 pts]
15 Rangers [228 pts]
15 Rangers [228 pts]
15 Dwarf Warriors [180 pts]
Dwarf Cart [65 pts]
- Bugman's Cart
++ Special Units [200 pts] ++
Cannon [100 pts]
Cannon [100 pts]
++ Rare Units [210 pts] ++
Gyrobomber [105 pts]
Gyrobomber [105 pts]

Does that look good for a casual list?

Do you guys think they’ll go straight to Kislev or go steal another legacy faction? Thinking of starting an Emprie army, but I kind of want to see how Kislev looks first.

>>95943663
I wouldn't expect Kislev till next year, probably 2-3 legacy factions first, maybe all the rest of them (issue here is that DE, Lizards, Deamons and Ogres still need to be squatted out of AoS)

>>95943392
nice thing about WGA is they're pretty seamlessly compatible with the corresponding GW sets. geedubs basically lost the entire imperial guard playerbase to them over the past couple years. their fantasy range isn't as broad and mostly covers classic / D&D shit.

>>95943677
I don’t think lizards will get squatted.

>>95943695
>WGA took over the imperial guard fan base
I like WGA I really do but why would you say such bull?

>>95943677
I’d love to get a serious Ogre army going, but their myriad of rules updates and new Spearhead make me think it’ll be a while. Definitely a long term project. Due to troop tax, I feel I have to make a decision based on that, and Empire’s troops appeal to the most.

>>95943663
>how Kislev looks
it will look like total war, don't expect otherwise

>>95943760
Can't wait to paint some polar bear cavalry :3

>>95943663
Valrak reports kislev for the end of this year.

>>95943494
These look awesome, anon. I love the purple skink riders, I don't think I've ever seen that color on a lizardman before. I think it's neat how you can basically paint that army any which way and it'll nearly always work. Leads to a lot of cool schemes.

>>95943700
I'm not sure what would need to be squatted for Lizardmen honestly, they just gave the line new models a few years ago so they probably kept the WHF models for TOW..... if so they'd only need to squat Skink and Saurus oldblood i think?

>>95943766
I expect 2-3 more armies before the end of the year, Chaos Dwarves and Kislev would be nice and the 3rd will probably be skaven.

>>95943796
You are very optimistic. I expect Kislev and nothing else.
GW didn't seem very confident in TOW.

>>95943766
Where did he say this?

>>95943803
Didn't GW say last year that sales were above expectations? I mean they squatted skaven and Vampire counts out of AoS last year already.

>>95943796
You're out of touch, man, chaos dwarfs are coming out for AoS, and between that, even more marine models for 40k, and TOW pushing cathay until the release of the individual kits and second arcane journal months away, there's not much space for the return of any legacy faction

>>95943839
>squatted

>>95943851
haven't GW run out of new Marines for 40k at this point?

>>95943839
Brother? What do you think squatted means?

>>95943766
The fat man says a lot of things.
He promised me personally a eldar corsair range but I've yet to see as much as a fart of that.

>>95943851
I mean 40k get most of the new space doggies this week don't they? And considering TOW has gotten 5 new armies through the first 6 months of the year it'd be odd to hit the breaks that hard. I mean i'd need to look through all the weekly stuff for this year but given their pace of releases what we 'know' is coming is hardly enough to cover the rest of the year.

>>95943803
they said they expanded the original scope, but hard to say if that means Cathay, Kislev or more. But the main issue isn't them it's GW having to alot very limited floor time to each product line all of which have had chronic stock shortages.

>>95943870
I wish

>>95943859
>>95943873
Fair enough they just got model refreshes while the beastmen were what was squatted but considering TOW just gets the old scraps that are left taking them off AoS is needed for TOW to get them.

>>95943884
I'm pretty sure the original scope was the initial 9 announced legacy armies + Cathay and Kislev. Until disproven expanding the scope to me sounds like more legacy armies, which armies that will be remains to be seen but there's no indication of other completely new armies at least.

>>95943870
We’re getting salamanders and imperial fists before the end of the year. It’s exhausting.
Every first founding loyalist chapter has a codex at this point.

>>95943904
Dark elf range will get an overhaul in aos with malekiths shadow elves and the dark elf range that exists currently in cities of sigmar will be transitioned to old world kits.

>>95943904
>I'm pretty sure the original scope was the initial 9 + Cathay and Kislev
if it was, cathay and kislev would have been mentioned in the article talking about the factions TOW was going to focus on for the foreseeable future
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/jBFfWUGR/old-world-development-diary-the-main-factions-revealed/
instead they weren't, which is why many at the time were fearful the two were cancelled, despite mentions at the time of the launch of total war3 years from the actual launch of tow, which could have meant a change of plans

>>95943908
Iron Hands never get any love

Kislev next, then Southlands, then Ogres

>>95943991
I'll be real, I forgot they existed.

>>95944005
well they are very boring

>touched metal minis with bare fingers after a wash
Is it over? Is my paint going to fall off?

>>95943935
If malekith's elves were coming to aos any time soon I feel like we'd caught wind of it by now. Chaos dwarves have reliable rumourmongers backing them up, lots of hints and straight up faction icons in battletomes, and of course a giant big fat teaser by gw themselves. But malekith's elves ? Nada.

>>95943935
>with malekiths shadow elves
that's not happening before another year at the absolute earliest

>>95944053
>>95944074
Yeah, i guess you guys are right.

Maybe they will transition the dark elf range to old world before shadow elves release tho.

Either way you can basically buy a full dark elf army currently anyway if you dont mind rebasing.

>>95942865
Very well done, dude. Your beastlord w/banner also looks great, btw.

>>95944206
Eh, hopefully it's the 6th edition plastic infantry, the current dark elf warriors are too monopose and lacking an easy way to customize them.

>>95944348
boba plate as well

>>95943760
I'm thinking I might kitbash the inevitable kislev release with some marauder bits now that Kislev goes a lot further, fluff them as Norscans who have been conquered and integrated and that, kinda like a lot of the baltics were in the russian empire.

Kislev is the ultimate nothing faction. Even by Cathay’s standards.

>>95943992
Will they turn the Southlands into some weird Wakanda thing?

How accurate would you say this chart is?

>>95943722
disregarding people who had old shit from 15 years back, obviously. and players still use GW armor. but for infantry there was no contest. GW has a couple ancient dogshit sprues in the line, mainly repping a planet that doesn't even exist anymore, and it charges out the ass for them. WGA has a dozen distinct kits that are all cross compatible so you can easily bash any regiment, and you get twice as much for half the price. I don't know anyone that's started a new IG in the last 5 that has GW infantry.

>>95944548
Separating TOW and WHFB is kinda dumb and Bloodbowl wasn't continuously supported since 1986 but otherwise pretty accurate. Price-wise TOW is definitely as cheap to get into as AoS which is wild when you think about it.

>>95942816
It has an average range of 28" which is a significant amount of the board and having an average strength of 5 instead of 10 in exchange for hitting several units instead of one and multiple models per rank and file while ignoring terrain entirely instead of just one within line of sight is a trade I would make every day.

>>95944557
>i dont know anyone who bought krieg the box that sold out instantly
>the cadia box also sold out before the new retardo combat patrol
stop lying through your ass just cause its online and we dont know who you are, doesnt make you any less of a total faggot. Shill WGA for fantasy instead of lying then.

>>95944548
>Mordheim
>supported 1999-2015
What? That's bullshit. They stopped publishing anything for Mordheim at least 10 years ago.

>>95944548
100-180 models for 1500 pts
man, I play beasties and I don't think most of my horde 2k lists break much past 100 models.

>>95944674
>10 years ago.
it's 2025 anon 2015 was 10 years ago

>>95942871
though about it. Kitbash between wargames atlantic werewolves (torsos to be used as ungors), Northstars Gnolls from Frostgtave and your choice of historical romans (torsos as bestigors)

>>95944548
The amount of models required is completely wrong.

>>95944548
WHFB and TOW model counts are exaggerated, even my beastmen list that's mostly infantry is only around 140. The only way you're getting 210 is by taking like a third of your list in clan rats with no upgrades or weapons teams

>>95944548
Models to points don't increase linearly like that in fantasy, you're very likely to take your 1500 point list to 2000 by adding one tooled up lord. Only way you're hitting those higher model counts is by playing vc with excessive zombie bricks or something.

>>95944690
nta but mordheim hasn't been officially supported since the 90s. its sprues and kits got rolled in to the 5th / 6th ed unit boxes.
like bloodbowl and warmaster it had very active and continuous community support and lots of 3rd party suppliers selling to it, but I don't think this chart is talking about that. it's talking from the POV of the publisher/retail ecosystem, not the player side.

>>95944548
TOW model counts should be cut in half - while you *can* get 200 in a 2k army, no one does. Even Goblin lists top out at ~120models in actual games, no one is taking that much shite in an edition where characters are king.

>>95944690
W-what

>>95944840
It's funny how this is also misinformation. Mordheim was supported well into the 2000s via. Fanatic and Specialist Games releases.

>>95942535
You are slowely convincing me to start wood elves one post at a time.

>compare the cost of a unit of waywatchers to the cost of the sky balloon

>want to start an Orcs and Gobbos army
>start reading Gortrek and Felix
>Greenskin raids are something out of a horror film

>>95944840
Didn't the Nemesis Crown campaign have some Mordheim rules associated with it?

>>95945060
Yeah that's how they get to 2015 in that image, but it was honestly just a few not very good warbands. It pretty much died out of official support with the end of fanatic magazine IIRC. But that was longer than the mid-90s, I want to say they got an annual in 2002 and the Empire in Flames supplement book was probably 2004?

>>95945056
Care to elaborate?

>>95945056
Orcs and goblins are only a comic relief because citadel had one really good sculptor that was making really cool and goofy goblins

Incidentally that supplement introduced the thing in the woods and it's just so fucking weird to see it pop up as this en masse Kislevite unit 20 years later. There's no connection. It was a weird scenario monster in Mordheim, no Kislev connection, no notion there were many of them. GW was obviously just unwilling to commit to inventing anything new for CA Kislev in TWW, so they ended up rooting some totally unrelated and unfitting thing. Bizarre.

>>95945106
It's one thing reading about Orcs and Gobbos being badass and goofy in most material and another reading about children huddling the corpses of their parents as defenders try to shuttle them away from the general direction of the goblin raiders that killed their parents and are trying to kill them as well.

>>95945110
Yeah the Night Gobbo Old World sculpts are peak goofy in a good way.

>>95945114
>Bizarre
Yeah, they also got cold feed about giving the not!baba yaga characters some stereotypical houses with legs that would have allowed them to bring some kislev architecture onto the table.
pic partially related.

What’s the point of skirmish formation if skirmishers naturally get the -1 to being hit at range?
It seems like it would just slow down the game.

>>95945201
That's awesome

>>95945220
360 degree LoS allows you to engage in some shenanigans and tomfoolery.

>>95945220
To take up more board space qgen screening for one.

>>95945277
>qgen
When

>>95940078
What I wouldnt give to be an empire peasant girl. Then I could be raped by beastmen for the rest of my life.

>>95943363
Are you saying my WIP is bad bruh

>>95945352
Ignore perrynigger

>>95945377
Is this the new carnack-esque boogie man for you to assume every post you don't like made

hierotitan when?

would be funny if the next Cathay journal had lore for the monkey king and beastmen in Cathay that ended up being better and more well liked than the dragons, like how everyone thought the enemy Mogu were awesome and deserved to be a race in WoW over the dumb pandas.

>>95945319
Chat clip that

>>95945516
>monkey king in reality is simply a human warlord rebeling against dragons tyrany
>he is called monkey as a slur by draconic forces

Any good marauder proxies out there? I think old marauders look really fucking ugly.

9 bros out of 21. do you think the bases should be brown or black?

(I lack old age confidence for goblin green, I am a 99 zoomer)

>>95945617
Brown,

Visually will read as dirt under the green grass

>>95945516
There are people that liked the mogu?

>>95945612
Check 9th age mini library
Also Avatars of War has some in plastic.

>>95945625
Ok, i am thinking about using a glaze to tone down some of the white and red, do you think thats a good idea?

>>95945617
brown

>>95942852
I will have sex with my chinese harem army yes.

>>95945617
Irrelevent, will be obscured by movement tray

>>95945643
you mean wash? glaze does pretty much the opposite.

>>95944548
Not at all. The Empire list I am next playing is ~60 models because I brought a 28 man infantry brick. If I don't bring one I often end up around 40. The highest model count 2k list I have saved is all goblins save for 2 orc wizards and that's 109 models.

>>95945585
Okay but 1) how did he get the most powerful magic staff in the world 2) how did the dragons get it from him?

Like the staff is literally 1 step back from ghal maraz.

>>95945654
Wouldnt a watered down purple shade the red?

>>95945650
They already stand on my movement tray. Its mdf with metal foil on it

>>95945526
While anon is a faggot, beastman lore is all about rape and pissing/shitting on others. Literally. I remember getting the last beastman codex from a friend after end times - i think it was 8 pages in it talked about beastlords meeting on a beastpath and fighting for which herd would move first - The winner pissing and shitting on the loser then his bestigors doing so as well as they passed.

>>95945701
Are Beastmen a fetish army?

>>95945662
Alarik the mad journeyed to cathay and forged it for him
Monkey king allied with forces of chaos the staff is powerfull relic of chaos
its actually the real staff of Nagash
Sky titan slann forged sounding stick
Its just a stick he does not need it the statline is representing his perfect mastery of karate
>2) how did the dragons get it from him?
Its not a full staff it is just a half, it was split in half during a duel with cing ciong the firebreathing (I dont know what they had in that kusoge total war abandoned all strategy and depth and is very gay)

>>95945352
Yea

apply yourself, if you're going to do something, take it seriously.

>>95945709
No, all posts about rape etc are ironic.

I'm aware that the kit is probably older than some people lurking ITT but the female high elf dragonrider torso has lara croft-tier spiky tits and it's funny as fuck.

>>95945711
It's easily tabletop standard you baboon

>>95945709
Its lizardmen that have addon dicks made by bad dragon.

>>95943775
Thanks anon and I totally agree, It’s easy to handwave it as a marked spawning too.


>>95945612
Frostgrave barbarians maybe

It's not fair this dude is max aura farming

>>95945643
I think if your using a purple as you suggested in your other post it's a good idea but will need to be very thin,
It'll help tie the scheme together I think.

Also I'm thinking about you glazing deez nuts

>>95945904
New dwarf sculpts smoking pipe tobacco when

>>95945781
It really isn't, it's too-young-to-be-posting-here tier. Table top standard is opaque color, reasonably thinned paints, and minimal obvious mold lines and gaps. You don't need to be a good painter, but if you don't even give a fuck why do this at all. Apply yourself.

>>95945994
kys perrynigger

>>95945904
Bro's getting badoinked on top of the line Naggarothi opium.

>>95945994
Perryfaggot consider suicide

>>95945994
I wonder if it's all the same shitposter pulling this in all generals. Post your golden demon winning models, faggot

>>95946089
>>95946036
Adding this to the increasing list of boogiemen I've been accused of being on 4chan, I think I'm up to 13 if I count the ones on /vg/

>>95946119
I think it does mean you’re mentally ill at the very least if you’re called as a shit lord even in other boards

>>95946150
Don't bother just report and ignore perrynigger

>>95946163
>nooo you're not allowed to be mean :( Downvote him!!!

>>95945462
Can it not be as needlessly complicated as the Cathay titan?

>>95946209
gw has an ai split the kits for them now

>>95938670

Now done with 50 warriors. Tomorrow starts the last grind for 10 more warriors with halberds

>>95946172
It just reeks of a 13 year old hopping on the 4chinz for some le epic trolling

>>95946264
are those 20s? those models look significantly better with a little bit of space

>>95946264
honestly where do I even start with collecting WoC?

>>95946284
Battalion box is a good value box but all the "meta" stuff aka marauders dragons giant spawn are seperate. However into most normal armies the battalion is a good place to start

>>95946258
The other Cathay kits seem way easier to assemble.

>>95946284
I'm just considering fluff and wrote some lore for a starter warband and went from there. My aim is to have 60 warriors and 40 marauders. Just ordered 3d printed marauders which look significantly better than GWs. I also have 10 knights and two chariots and I'll get to those soon enough.
Me and my mates just wants to play large cinematic battles and to hell with meta.

>>95946284
>>95946304
>>95946328
Anyone know if there are any good WoC STLs out there? Would be fun to try a melee focused army.

>>95946347
Check out Etsy and search for "Norsca" or "Marauders" and you'll find some nifty stuff

>>95946264
>50 warriors
holy shit dude, what's your list?

>>95946354
I have my own printer, get most of my files off telegram or MMF. I'll check etsy to see what people are making though, thanks.

>>95946264
Very nice, anon. I hope your warriors serve you well. Mine have consistently failed me. Do be sure to report back and tell us of their exploits.

>>95946368
Don't have one. I'm playing my first game of 1000p tomorrow vs Skaven and it's a lore driven warband.

Saefrith Coldthorn orchestrated the downfall of Krugenheim from the shadows — turning its defenses inward and fueling suspicion and paranoia. His magic opened clandestine pacts with Clan Vermson, the Skaven who dwell in the labyrinth beneath Krugenheim, adding their poison-tipped swords and warp-forged knowledge to the growing conspiracy. The Skaven struck first, spreading disease and chaos, thinning the defenses and sowing discord among the soldiers. Meanwhile, Throkkar Blackthorn prepared for the final assault — a siege destined to break the defenses, slay the soldiers, and enslave the survivors in service to chaos.
When Throkkar fell upon Krugenheim, a showdown was destined — a showdown made possible by Saefrith’s careful guidance. Throkkar Blackthorn’s soldiers, empowered by chaos magic, routed the town’s defenses in a matter of hours. The soldiers fell to poison-tipped warpweapons, chaos-twisting swords, and the magical blasts hurled by Saefrith.
Saefrith Coldthorn stood upon the ruins of the chapel, Black Sigil in hand, its magic swirling through him. The Brotherhood secured their domination, but the Skaven. Displeased with not getting the Black Sigil as promised, are now swiftly moving to get the coveted Sigil back from the Chaos warband.

Saefrith and Throkkar are my characters vs the Skaven and depending on the outcome either the warband will expand or decrease. Way more fun to play it like that. The endgame will most likely be a siege vs the Empire but that's at least a year away. My friend has Skaven, Empire and Brets so we'll have plenty of different of scenarios to play out.

>tfw my list buffing archers and free company militia with daemonology wizards didn't do well

Should i complain? Pretty bad layer lines imo

>>95946502
Is that an FDM print? Looks like shit. What's the model?

>>95943763
people forget that 1996 Kislev had access to Bear Cavalry, even though it was a single unit

>>95946502
you should complain to the photographer because I can't tell what the fuck is going on in the picture

>>95946611
Appears to be some kind of boar or khorne juggernaut. I see hooves and 4 legs.

>>95946391
>>95946328
That sounds rad as hell. Those are the kinds of games I hope to be running when I finish up building my WoC boys. What's the name of your warband? Do they have any sort of theme going on?

>every time I try to come up with a beastmen list it is just feels like it's missing one thing
>can't fit any of the funny combos I think of into points limits or character restrictions

>>95946611
That better?
>>95946512
Its resin, Not sure what kind but the model is avatars of war razortusk

Would it be a bad idea to run 5 wight lords on steed with lance and shield as a unit

if so, why

>>95946600
>even though it was a single unit

And that's all that they have right now in TWW3

>>95946743
no I mean you couldn't have two, it's a one of

I picked up the Ogor Mawtribes spearhead (older one) and whats the best way to base them for both games? Put them on circle bases and use square adapters or vice versa? Use original base sizes and get adapters for all three games?

>>95946761
There was a website (that i forgot) where you could buy adapters for them. Let me see if I can find them. Or you can just magnetize their feet.

>>95946761
If you want to play older editions of fantasy I don’t think you can also play AoS unless they make circular adapters I am not aware of. Otherwise you can just buy or print circular to square tray adapters.

>>95946761
>>95946771
MWG/Miniwargaming is where I bought my trays from and they also sell adaptors when I was ordering a year ago. But they are based in Canada so shipping might be expensive if you’re international.

>>95946761
The round base is smaller.
You go to amazon and you order 40mm metal washers. You glue a flat piece of plastic or cardboard over the hole, and you paint it with flock or sand or whatever.
Then you get 40mm magnet tape, and you cut squares out of it. Those are your square bases.

You need round? You use the washer.
You need square? You attach the tape.

>>95946704
Characters can't join each other to form an ad-hoc unit.

>>95946802
>>95946704
Also I think only half (rounding down) can be characters in front rank. You could chuck 3 in a 6 wide unit, like 9 black knights + 3 wight lords but it would be very expensive.

Are there still swarms in Old Wolrd?
Rat swarms, scarab swarms, jungle swarms, bat swarms?

>>95946835
Yes. You forgot the best swarm Snotlings. The strongest army list in the game relies on Tomb Swarms to boost casting.

>>95941946
Interesting, and thanks. So my read is that if my local group is largely non-meta it might still be dicey if people take cool shit like lords on monster mounts.

The way people were bunging on I thought maybe detatchments were possibly out, but I see they are retained from another comment. I'm glad, Warhammer, for its faults, does a pretty decent job with army doctrines, though it's a shame they got scared of skirmish troops from 7th (ghouls, beastmen etc)

>>95946852
I was actually sure they'd reintroduce characterful stuff like Snotlings and Nurglings, but I didn't know whether they'd actually bother to reprint stuff like Jungle Swarms (and whether they'd bother to write rules)

Ogres should just have been a sub faction to greenskins. One kind of relies on the other a fair bit.

>>95946866
Ogres have always been the weapon humans use to out-Greenskin the Greenskins.
Both Chaos humans and good humans.

They're "Orcs but actually friendly"

>>95946794
>>95946782
Preciate the advice guys! Not sure which one I will go with but either way I'm looking forward to playing them. I know theyre not strong in either game but love big tough dudes that hit like freight trains.

>>95946835
Yes but you can’t make rat swarms poisonous anymore so I usually use them as giant rat fillers

>>95947085
They're still great for tying something up

>>95947193
>>95947193
>>95947193
>>95947193
>>95947193
New

>>95946600
Literal fan list, although it was by a 16-year-old (?) Tuomas Pirinen.

>>95938670
wood elfses

>>95943326
they look fantastic anon. love the glowing eye

>>95942865
He looks like he's disgusted and confused at whatever he's looking at.

>>95945617
I'm liking those black ones more.

>>95939529
>armpit fur

>>95947197
GODMAS Penisman went on the become THE WFB/Mordheim rules writer so whatever the fuck he said goes

>>95946639
The warband is named "Brotherhood of the black sigil".

WIzards backstory:
Saefrith Coldthorn is a creature forged by chaos itself — a master manipulator whose schemes have woven their way through the Old World for over 400 years. His tale reaches back more than four centuries, to a blasphemous ritual performed by a chaos cult under a purple-black aurora, when a daemon spirit was forced into the flesh of a vulnerable northwoman. From their unhallowed union, Saefrith was born — a child destined by Tzeentch to become a master strategist, a fateweaver who would slowly undermine the defenses of mankind. His piercing orange-black eyes glimmer with knowledge that cannot be contained by ordinary flesh. His mind — forged by chaos — is a labyrinth of schemes within schemes, a vast conspiracy that stretches across decades and continents.
Saefrith’s magic grew alongside his understanding of chaos’ grand design. His power lies not just in destruction, but in turning fate toward chaos’ eventual triumph. The Black Sigil — a relic forged by chaos — resonates in his grip, focusing his magic and allowing him to reach through space, time, and fate itself. Saefrith is not a warrior or a brute; he is the master strategist who moves the pieces on the board.

>>95945462
Nothing stopping you from building your own fag

>>95948305
Champions backstory:
Saefrith chose Throkkar Blackthorn to be his Lord of War — the chaos champion destined to conquer and destroy in Tzeentch’s name. Throkkar was a fallen knight, a warrior whose ambitions outstripped his loyalty to king or country. His family fell from grace when their lands were destroyed by famine, chaos creatures, and the cowardice of their liege lords. Throkkar turned inward, wrestling with resentment, shame, and growing rage.
Saefrith appeared to Throkkar in a dream-vision filled with purple-black flame, offering eternal power and a chance for retribution. Throkkar fell to his knees, swearing eternal loyalty. From that moment forward, Throkkar was forged into something more than human — a colossus armored in chaos-forged plate, his large rune-covered blade eager to drink the blood of his enemies. His heavy horned helm glows faintly with chaos magic, reflecting the raw power that drives him forward.
Throkkar Blackthorn is a commander, a butcher, a destroyer — the physical manifestation of Saefrith’s will. His soldiers follow him without question, honoring him as their Lord, a warrior destined for eternal glory. His greatest wish is to conquer Krugenheim and bring its people to their knees in a grand sacrifice to Tzeentch — a wish made possible by Saefrith’s careful guidance.

Pic related is both characters

thinking of getting started with the old world,
Which army is the most racist?

>>95948453
Dark elf or skaven.

Dark elf if you want to enslave other races, skaven if you just annihilate everything and everyone else or use them as a foodsource.

>>95948538
Tight, I've got about 1k points Skaven in AoS hope you guys don't mind round bases I'll just put a handful of clan rats in a movement tray

>>95948567
Most economical way to do it. Two games for the price of one.

>>95940386
They are jeets