Thread 95939406

All high level wizards should be old bearded sagely men

Or voluptuous women with huge tits and huger hats.

>>95939430
No only witches do that. Wizards aren’t traditionally vain.

>>95939406 (OP)
What if they belong to a species that doesn’t grow beards?

Objection.

>>95939406 (OP)
Nah, this theme of old=wise needs to die
Old fucks all have dementia and are easily tricked by the dumbest of scams.

>>95939406 (OP)
Why wouldn't they use shape changing magic to be hot?

>>95939589
He was a virgin. Virgins don’t get to grow beards.

The Istari have to be in order to keep them humble. Everyone else just copies Tolkien without understanding the reasons for the way he wrote them the way he did.

>>95939666

But you can't become a wizard if you don't remain a virgin.

>>95939655
What's the deal with anime having immortal wizards change their forms to little girls? If you were an all-powerful immortal wizard you wouldn't take the form of a little girl.

>>95939674
He wrote them the way he did because of Odin retard.

>>95939902
Fuck yes I would. The first thing I'd do is turn myself in a cute little witch girl and there's nothing you could say to stop me.
The first rule of wizards is that we have zero sense of right and wrong.

>>95939406 (OP)
Sounds like something an old bearded man would say, eh wot? Turning to jelly in your advanced years, it would seem!

>>95939674
The old bearded sage archetype is a lot fucking older than Tolkien you huge idiot. The old sage was practically its own sort of creature. Akin to the dragon.

>>95939601
>>old fucks all have dementia
Demonstrably untrue.
>>and are easily tricked by the dumbest of scams
Dude, that's most of the population regardless of age.

>>95939406 (OP)
No. This is how systemic racism gets perpetuated. High level wizards need to be portrayed as being from all ages, races and genders in order to break down stereotypes.

>>95939902
I'm an all powerful immortal wizard. My physical form is irrelevant outside of aesthetic preferences. What advantage is there to NOT being a cute little girl?

>>95940606
Here's your DEI high level wizard

>>95940628
Looks good to me. This isn't the "gotcha" you think it is. If anything, you just strengthened my argument.

?>his high level wizards still look human

>>95939406 (OP)
Traditional games?

>>95939406 (OP)
>All high level wizards should be old bearded sagely men
You wot, Mate?

>>95939438
Just say you've never met a real wizard before

>>95939902
>If you were an all-powerful immortal wizard you wouldn't take the form of a little girl.
>>95940622
>My physical form is irrelevant outside of aesthetic preferences. What advantage is there to NOT being a cute little girl?
I mean I'd rather be a fully grown titty monster...

handsome wizards are an oxymoron. a wizard is beyond autistic, they're obessed over universal truths mortal beings couldn't even fathom to comprehend, they don't care about fickle shit like the looks.
the only instance where they +could+ do it is to charm someone into doing their bidding, but then again, they could simply tardwarangle them with telepathy or buy their loyalty with fat stashes they hoarded over centuries.

>>95939902
>If you were an all-powerful immortal wizard you wouldn't take the form of a little girl.
>>95940622
>My physical form is irrelevant outside of aesthetic preferences. What advantage is there to NOT being a cute little girl?
I mean I'd rather be a fully grown titty monster...

>>95941893
Based

If I were a high level wizard I'd totally change myself, at least occasionally, to a hot girl, casts every buff on myself and get fucked by all manner of nasty monsters.
Why? Because I could.

>>95939406 (OP)
Back to your containment thread, AI Slop Faggot.

>>95939406 (OP)
How about not. High-level wizards should represent the variety of people that can achieve magical power, these mostly consisting of deeply obsessed weirdos, the highly gifted, and those who went about adventuring and chasing challenges. These will be women and men of varying ages and likeness. Your average wizard is at best a high low-level wonderworker capable of doing maybe a single 4th rank spell.

A high-level wizard is going to be an eccentric with their own personal tastes and presentation, whether that's of a clean-shaven but extravagant mustachioed man of indeterminate age or a grey-haired crone who looks far too old to still be alive but moves with a confidence that belies untold power. Could be a dark skinned man, bald and clean-shaven, who wears simple traditional fair for an area that doesn't exist anymore. A high level wizard should be unique in appearance and theme, not the same boring old archetypal trope easily remembered by shitwits and retards.

Besides all that, this is an ai slop thread made by a shitwit.

>>95939406 (OP)
Nah the highest level wizards, especially ones who invest in temporal or biological manipulation, would look youthful and sharp, like in their 20s and they would ride that look until they die thousands of years later.

>>95939406 (OP)

First thing I've imagined was a young genius prodigy wizard that wears fake beard for all official meetings to fit into this arbitrary standard.

>>95942181
English barristers literally do this IRL so it's not exactly a stretch of the imagination.

>>95939902
I imagine once you age past a certain point as a wizard, your level of degeneracy ramps up to a degree that you don't give a fuck what anyone else thinks if you want to be the loli

>>95942103
So true, upvoted and given gold! (congrats on your transition btw)

>>95939902
>What's the deal with anime having immortal wizards change their forms to little girls?

Its lots of old religions and folklore and the like, there were powers or affinities unique to women. Certain magics that were male aligned or female aligned. As such, the wisest and most powerful dudes who use magic powers would have to learn the female aligned magics as well as the male aligned ones, which typically means spending some time as a woman, and it is this ability to dominate *all* spheres of magic that is part of what makes them powerful. You see this everywhere from Odin in Norse mythology to countless cultivator type dudes in chinese folklore (and thus everything in surrounding asian countries that were influenced by it).

So the tldr is that a high level wizard who freely changes between sexes is objectively stronger than someone too cowardly to give up their masculinity, even temporarily, to pursue greater power.

>>95942473
Is that what happened to Ed Greenwood?

>>95942660
You'd think, but looking at his recent pictures, looks more like he turned into the real life Elminster

>>95942542
You think about transition so much, its like youre obssessed with it, both repulsed and attracted. You need to explore your feelings on that and stop repressing your own need to be the girl or woman you so desperately want to be. Also thank you, I'm pretty lady now and it rocks.

>>95942646
Its actually simpler than that, and your putting something more mythological in it that doesn't warrant it since these people weren't inspired by that. Its the "transition people". Look at this thread and see how many of these guys want to be girls without any of the hardship of transitioning. A lot of fa/tg/uys are just repressed t r a n s woman.

Also, the gaining female power was from doing homosexual acts, not being women. Odin did female magic without being female because he sucked off the corpses of hanged men.

>>95942665
> Odin did female magic without being female because he sucked off the corpses of hanged men.

He did that to replenish his manly essence that was depleted by doing female forms of magic as a man, yes. But there are also references to stories where Odin was, himself, female.
I say references, though, because it appears those stories didn't survive. Its worth remembering that we have only a tiny, tiny snapshot of norse mythology recorded by a couple of christian monks hundreds of years after the religion was squashed by christians. We know there are parts we are missing. But in one of the bits that we DO still have left, Loki and Odin are shit talking each other at a feast and Loki makes reference to the seven years that Odin spent a milkmaid. Something which is clearly a reference to some story that the audience was expected to know, but we have no knowledge of anymore.

>>95942665
> anon looks at mythology written literally thousands of years ago and whispers to himself "The SJWs did this"

>>95939406 (OP)
I agree, though with the provision that evil wizards may have a black goatee and a skullcap instead of long white beard and hood or pointy hat.

>>95939406 (OP)
There are many ways a society of high-level wizards might look, and the "old bearded sage" archetype is by far the least likely.

First, it assumes that a being close to godhood would care about mundane conventions or looking “wise” to gain respect, as if such a wizard would need such tricks.
Second, it supposes that in a society where shapeshifting magic and rejuvenation magic is a thing, the association "old bearded guy / wisdom" exists, which is wrong, because in such society, “wisdom” would be tied to whatever form powerful wizards chose to adopt, which has low chances of being "old decrepit fuck". Children tales wouldnt feature your usual wise mentor as a bearded old guy, but maybe as someting completely different, and it would be that cliché which would shape the way people envision powerful individuals, not the opposite.

The first hypothesis is that high level wizards would look like whatever idea they have of peak health. That would range from your effeminate little twink to your muscular gigachad, but it wouldn't, or very rarely, include your typical Gandalf look because looking old is a very peculiar idea of looking healthy.

Second, and most likely hypothesis, is that an assembly of high level wizards would look like pic related, because only two types of people can become high level wizards due to the inherent level of danger involved in the profession and the eldritchness of the topics studied: 1) Those who have managed to develop a mindset alien enough along their career 2) Those who started their career with a completely alien mindset. The others either die before they reach this level, get stuck at lower level and more "human mindset compatible topics of study", or end up in a mental institution. So your typical high level wizard would look like a sentient swarm of blue jellyfishes and only other high level wizards have a chance of understanding his motivations, which are completely above what a non-high level wizard can grasp.

>>95942780
I see your premise, and raise you: all of the most powerful wizards will have to, at some point, solve the problem of their own mortality or other limits of their human body. And it is likely that every high level wizard is going to solve this problem in their own, unique way as defined but what their strongest magics are.

A necromancy might become a lich or a vampire, but a summoner wouldn't do that. A summoner would make some kind of pact for immortality with an extraplanar force. A transmuter might turn themselves into something they consider to be physically superior, or take the eternal youth route, depending on their personality. A master of mind magics might just body-steal younger forms whenever their current body gets too old, their appearance changing as a result every couple decades. Immortal evokers will probably be rare, even by immortal wizard standards, since their form of magic doesn't really lend itself to the problem but the ones that DO achieve it will basically be living vortexes of energy, like Ignis in Planescape Torment whose body is a living conduit to the elemental plane of fire.

Everyone who is in the immortality tier of wizard will have gotten there by a different path, and their appearance will probably be different as a result.

>>95939902
>If you were an all-powerful immortal wizard you wouldn't take the form of a little girl.
>>95940622
>My physical form is irrelevant outside of aesthetic preferences. What advantage is there to NOT being a cute little girl?
I mean I'd rather be a fully grown titty monster...

>>95942473
>you don't give a fuck what anyone else thinks if you want to be the loli
But I was already a Shota, and I want to reach the top shelf!

>>95942780
>the "old bearded sage" archetype is by far the least likely.
Cringe. For thousands of years people aspired to be like the old bearded sages of the past. It was an archetype to aspire to. You’re just vain up your own ass. It’s not even about beards. It’s about age and experience. Wisdom. Wizard means wise. Age is revered, and humans have a massive age bias when it comes to listening to people.

>>95943949
So you literally cannot read.

>Second, it supposes that in a society where shapeshifting magic and rejuvenation magic is a thing, the association "old bearded guy / wisdom" exists, which is wrong, because in such society, “wisdom” would be tied to whatever form powerful wizards chose to adopt, which has low chances of being "old decrepit fuck". Children tales wouldnt feature your usual wise mentor as a bearded old guy, but maybe as someting completely different, and it would be that cliché which would shape the way people envision powerful individuals, not the opposite.

"Wisdom = old bearded guy" is an idea association that only exists in your world because our world doesn't have shapeshifting and rejunevation magic.

>>95943999
He just said beards aren’t a part of it. You can’t read.

He’s saying age is revered. Visual age. A fucking clam that was four hundred years old caused biologists to cream their pants and send death threats to the guy who accidentally shucked it.

Is the old bearded man the only way for age and experience, aka wisdom, to be gotten across? No. You have bald leather faced Tibetan monks devoid of any facial hair.

Youthfulness does not denote experience or respectability. Humans are notoriously spiteful of young people.

>>95943999
I’m pretty sure a society of shapeshifters would set a cultural stage for adequate decency. Unless you think a society of shapeshifting wizards would be like an overly sexualized and degenerate pride parade? Doubt. You’re not going to have wizards looking like little girls walking into respected academic institutions outside of a clown world timeline like the one we are in irl.

>>95943949
>It was an archetype to aspire to.

Lol, no. No one ever woke up one day and said "Boy, being young sucks. I can't wait until I am a crusty old fuck up wakes up with aching joints and whose vision is failing him. Shit is going to be so cash, gonna get MAD respect."
Do not conflate the benefits of experience with the physical malady of age. No one with the former would ever CHOOSE to have the latter if there was another option. IRL there is not. In a fantasy setting with various means of shapeshifting or immortality, alternatives exist and those with the option of taking them would.
This is a bullshit argument every thread you make it in. You have been told, very clearly, exactly why your argument sucks by more people than I can count, so at this point I have to assume that you are either an intentional troll or have some manner of brain damage.

>>95944071
You’re totally unfamiliar with the history of western esotericism. Kek. All occult authors (there pseudonyms) were pretending to be legendary old people. Pseudo-Zoroaster. Pseudo-Ostanes. Pseudo-Solomon. Pseudo-Pythagoras. Pseudo-Hermes. Pseudo-Moses. Pseudo-Plato. Etc.

>>95944108
their* pseudonyms (sorry I’m on my phone)

>>95944108
>Pseudo-Zoroaster. Pseudo-Ostanes. Pseudo-Solomon. Pseudo-Pythagoras. Pseudo-Hermes. Pseudo-Moses. Pseudo-Plato. Etc.
Loved this shit in Elden Ring. Miyazaki knows how wizards work. People want to wear their faces.

>>95944070
I haven't talked about little girls in my post, you'd know that if you read it.
You'd probably have some high level wizards turning into little girls due to their weird fetishes, because you'll find outliers in all kind of communities, just like you'd find some high level wizards deliberately choosing to look like decrepit old guys because they just like the vibe of it, but the golden rule is simply that a high level wizard would look like whatever the fuck he wants because he's the closest thing to a living god and in the absence of the "wisdom = looking old" that would have never emerged in a society where magic is a thing, there is no reason for a high level wizard to take the Gandalf look except being in the small percentage of wizards who just happen to have a peculiar taste for looking old for the sake of it (humans are weird, you'll find strange obsessions for about anything in a large enough group). The big question is whether the center of the Gauss curve would be about more "mundane" tastes like simply looking young and in peak health state, or something more eldritch due to high wizards being inherently weird by necessity of studying the most eldritch secrets of the universe.
Maybe digging into the secrets of the cosmos always ends up convincing you that peak body is that of a three-headed lizard with butterfly wings and so most high level wizards would take that look, and the society would evolve to integrate this concept into its common ideas, and being wise and powerful would be associated in everyone imaginations, tales and legends to looking like a three-headed lizard, and that's it.

>>95944108
Because all these people lived in a world where actual shapeshifting magic is impossible, thus the emergence of the idea that wise = looking old, which is an idea that would never appear in an actual fantasy setting where shapeshifting magic is real.

>>95944137
>high level wizard would look like whatever the fuck he wants because he's the closest thing to a living god

Thats a very dangerous assumption to make, and people who start believing their own hype that way tend to end up dead by means they considered beneath them at the hands of people they were convinced could never harm them.

>>95944137
>Maybe digging into the secrets of the cosmos always ends up convincing you that peak body is that of a three-headed lizard with butterfly wings and so most high level wizards would take that look, and the society would evolve to integrate this concept into its common ideas, and being wise and powerful would be associated in everyone imaginations, tales and legends to looking like a three-headed lizard, and that's it.

Reminds me of bloodborne, where there are ways to attune yourself to higher planes of thought and eldritch power, but it always involves giving up your humanity in some form or another.
It doesn't matter what your preferred appearance is. You do the thing that unlocks cosmic power and look like an alien, or you decide not to and you don't get to have the cool magic.

>>95944148
Conservation of mass means that magic irl wouldn’t allow casual shape shifting. It would totally fuck up your brain, too.

“B-but it’s magic it can do anything!”

No. Even magic has rules. Physics.

>>95944259
The number of magical settings and even IRL folklore where shapeshifting DOES exist and is taken as a common staple (heck, whats more iconic as a magical curse than turning someone into a frog?) make this a complete irrelevant point to try and make.
You might as well be trying to argue that vampires can't be weak to sunlight because sunlight doesn't have the heat necessary to cause combustion, which is both technically true and also completely irrelevant to all vampire mythology that anyone is going to be using as a basis for vampires.

You are right that magic should have rules that limit and define it, but the better way to approach this topic is not "this can't be done because it doesn't jive with IRL physics" and more "what are the consequences of doing this? Whats the cost? What would need to be true about the metaphysics of the setting for this to work, and what are the consequences of those metaphysics?"

>>95944259
It is because magic doesn't follow the (currently understood) rules of physics that it is called "magic" and not "physics".

No, they should be sexy young girls!

I like SCP’s attempt at modernizing magic and mages. See the Global Occult Coalition’s introduction to Thaumaturgy (magic):
https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/goc-supplemental-thaumatology
https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/goc-supplemental-arad
https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/goc-supplemental-thaumworkings
https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/goc-supplemental-qandq

>>95944292
>>95944333
Yeah you’re not getting it. Keep thinking wizards are immature weebs who want to look like sex models.

>>95944292
Shapeshifting is gay as fuck anon. This is why there’s no shape shifting in kino fantasy settings like Asoiaf.

>>95945320
Coward.

>>95944824
>scp
Gross.

>>95944292
>You might as well be trying to argue that vampires can't be weak to sunlight because sunlight
Some settings have attempted to discuss this scientifically, but, vampires weren’t originally weak to sunlight.

I’m more so a fan of it being psychological. Vampires have an intense phobia of the sun. Some animals cannot stand it either. Some deep sea fish just die once they surface.

>>95945336
In Bram Stoker's work, Dracula could go out in the sunlight he was just weaker, and vastly stronger at night.
You could probably do a solid modern fantasy premise based around vampire intentionally popularizing media versions of themselves with overblown weaknesses (like being destroyed by sunlight) specifically to convince people that is what defines a vampire and set up easily passable 'tests' to 'prove' they are not a vampire.
"I can't be a vampire, look I'm out during the day." The vampire smiles through his fangs.

>>95944259
>>95944292
For conservation of mass to be justified within three dimensions, you’d have to chalk it up to higher dimensions. Where is all that extra mass/energy going? Somewhere you cannot experience.

>>95945336
Vampires literally melting or burning to ash in the sun is so stupid.

>>95945381
Agreed.
>Fuck you, Anne Rice! Your books suck.

>>95944344
Shit off, pedoee

>>95939406 (OP)
All slopspammers should have their cocks cut off and their guts pulled out through the torso wound.

>>95944344
>>95939663
Kill yourself puckee.