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Evacuate the Exclusion Zone Edition

>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

TQ: You will be buying an entire box of Edge of Eternities to support original IPs, won't you anon?
Alt TQ: What's the prettiest card art in the game?

>>95943529
>>95943519
Samefag
New schizo found
Blue has good removal schizo

Wrong previous
>>95938623

>>95943565
Schizoschizo, kindly keep your schizophrenic sperg outs to the previous thread instead of schizoing out in the new thread that was made specifically because you were being so schizo in the old one.

>>95943549 (OP)
a) No.
b) my wife

>>95943549 (OP)
>TQ

>>95943574
take your meds

>>95943560
>lolicons claiming fansites are sources now
grim

Still looking for some help with mono blue removal
Schizos need not apply

So far:
Pongify / rapid hy
Resculpt
Imprisoned in the moon
Aura flux
Negate
Counterspell
Swan song
Strix serenade

>>95943579
Lame answer, waifu anon.
>>95943582
Now THIS is waifuposting. For the memes I've been trying to get a copy of her but I don't care enough to buy on cardmarket or something and I've just not encountered a copy elsewhere

>>95943549 (OP)
Eerie Interlude but that pearl medallion is a close second.

>>95943597
>derail an entire fucking thread
>just do it again next thread
It's all so tiresome.

One of the last threads reminded me this cutie exists and now i'm tempted to build my first Izzet commander.
I'm assuming she's fairly open ended, but what's the most FUN strategy with her?

>>95943598
your boos me nothing to me, I've seen what makes you cheer

>>95943614
I'm gonna give it to you straight.
The version you posted is not good at all.

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>95943597
Curse of the Swine is a fun one

>>95943615
How can you claim to love every inch of a woman if you won't lick her pits?

>>95943614
there is no version of Jhoira that is fun because anyone with half a brain knows how broken she is and will hate you off the board as quickly as possible

>>95943627
Name a better suspend commander

>>95943607
Sorry man, that argument wasn't me and it certainly wasn't on purpose. I'm just trying to build my waifu but I rarely play blue, especially not mono blue

>>95943627
are we really going to have this argument again

>>95943645
i thought you wanted to play izzet and the waifu, not suspend. if you want to play a bad mechanic go ahead. i wont stop you.

>>95943549 (OP)
>TQ
Wizards is gonna rape Lorwyn

>>95943627
Well good thing i asked about fun, not power.
>>95943642
I mean yeah mana cheating is good and she probably enables some combos, but is she really that bad?
>>95943652
he's not the guy that asked about her

>>95943614
Unfortunately fucking around with time counters isn't as fun as it sounds. It's the sort of thing where if you're not just using her to play 12 mana eldrazi on turn 5 there's really not much reason to play her.
Also the majority of the best suspend cards are now Doctor Who shit, and even if you're into that, it feels very limiting from a deck building perspective.
If you want an Izzet waifu, I would recommend just storming off with pic related.

>>95943661
Yes. Yes she is.

>>95943657
I’m an optimist, but man is it difficult sometimes. At least we know they’re likely to do Lorwyn/Shadowmoor with MDFCs, which isn’t the worst way in the world.

>>95943649
Speak his name in whisper.

>>95943673
>an entire set of MDFCs

What's a commander you think is unjustly hated when they aren't actually all that good?

>>95943661
if you think its fun to wait for 4 turns to cast all your shit with the entire table being able to anticipate your spells go ahead, i wont stop you.

>>95943680
Teysa

>>95943684
>Jhoira
>waiting
lol
lmao

>>95943680
gr8 b8 m8, I r8 it 8/8

>>95943614
I have her
She was my first edh deck

You have to understand how much of a menace she used to be, you can suspend stuff like worldfire and eldrazi to ruin everyone's day.
She still has that reputation as well so some people might Target her just based on principle.

Realistically however I think the power level has fallen off a lot, she's still very good but not nearly the terror that she used to be because every other deck is cheating out big scary stuff now.

As far as the most fun way to build, you can literally do whatever you want because you can suspend any card at all (except a land). Personally I still like cheating out big creatures but I could see a sort of artifact or enchantment build.
She has a short list of Staples that she absolutely needs because very few cards interact with time counters, you're going to want all of them.

Suspend is a fantastic and fun mechanic, remember that a creature coming out of suspend gains haste. But also be aware that whatever route you go your entire game plan is going to be extremely telegraphed

>>95943680
you may now proceed to foam at the mouth

>>95943704
I still have mine from buying that first box
God damn that feels like a lifetime ago

>>95943680

>>95943680

>>95943704
Nah, I kind of agree. She's popular because she's flashy and flashy commanders draw hate very easily. She's also just slower and less protected than a lot of similar cheaty commanders that have come out since.

>>95943716
you don't actually think she's unjustly hated

>>95943716
Okay, now this is just a shit post. You know very well why she is so busted.

>>95943597
Aetherspouts
Witness protection
Cyclonic rift

Since its on theme,
Commandeer,
Mana drain,
Blatant thievery,
Expropriate
Tempted by the Oriq
Simic Manipulator
Those are what I remember off the top of my head, and some of them are pretty expensive for mono blue, but you know options.

>>95943680
>you can only hate something if it's powerful
It's this sort of shit that leads to people defending mill.

>>95943684
thanks for the non-input
>>95943671
Damn, i guess i'll sleep on it.
>>95943669
>Just another venue for cheating out eldrazi
Double damn.
Also your suggestion for waifu doesnt really do it for me in the looks department, and i've tried storm in other colours. Not my thing at all.
>>95943698
>She has a short list of Staples that she absolutely needs
Care to share?
>your entire game plan is going to be extremely telegraphed
I'm okay with that. I figured that would make some of the more degenerate stuff more palatable to a table.
Good input though <3
>>95943676
He seems kinda lame

>>95943732
I will defend mill until my dying day as a fun and interactive playstyle with a lot of risk and reward and even suggest that self-mill is the more powerful archetype than trying to deck others.

>>95943673
OG Lorwyn was the peak of magic art direction and their artist roster, dominik mayer and kev walker can't save the entire set but I'm sure some good cards will come out of it

>>95943679
Chill, I meant the divide between them, not every card in the set. But with it right next to Arcavios, MDFCs having been a defining mechanic of Strixhaven, and Lorwyn in part characterized with a strong day/night difference, it seems more likely than not. And using MDFCs also works to keep Lorwyn mechanically distinct from Innistrad while still having that day/night theme.

If I’m wrong, and we see the day/night mechanic return, my despair will know no bounds. What a fucking awful idea that was.

>>95943680
OG Atraxa

>>95943744
>even suggest that self-mill is the more powerful archetype than trying to deck others.
Daring today, aren't we?

>>95943737
>Also your suggestion for waifu doesnt really do it for me in the looks department
My mistake, I thought you a patrician, but alas.
>i've tried storm in other colours. Not my thing at all.
That's more reasonable. I only became interested in building it because my LGS has such a small pool of players and people really don't give a fuck about other peoples enjoyment. The only way to compete was to give them a taste of their own medicine
>you're all going to sit here while I storm off for 10 mins and by the end of it we'll see if I've won or not.

>>95943737
there's a couple more reasonable versions of Jhoira if you care more about the character than the card itself

>>95943750
don't you manifest that evil into this world

>>95943680
All the Sliver commanders.

>>95943771

>>95943732
>unjustly hated when they aren't actually all that good
that's literally a description of mill

>>95943771
I really wish this card didn't have the >implication because I like the art otherwise

or like, if it was her being gay with an angel. Where's that Pride Month secret lair, Wizards

>>95943786
What is it that I know anon? Forgive me, I'm confused.

>>95943737
>Care to share?
Jhoiras time Bug
Timebender
Fury charm
Rift elemental
Timecrafting

Thematic includes:
Suspend
Delay
Sinister concierge
Watcher of hours
As foretold

If you're not allergic to Dr who:
All of history all at once

>>95943597
i like this one

>>95943789
The issue you're having there is "unjustly"
Thank you for proving my point.
People can hate things that are obnoxious or unfun even if those things are not powerful. There's nothing unjust about it.

I fucking hate cards that allow another person to search my deck, especially if they get to steal a card. Is that a powerful mechanic? Is it going to win the game? Why am I not allowed to hate it if the answer is no?

>>95943795
I still can;t believe they have a hard stance against giving up sex appear, but flat you support a staff members dragon fucking fanfic and have the gall to make us pay extra for it.

>>95943772
This version is not more reasonable

>>95943821
do thing draw card is more reasonable than throwing out Jokullhaups into three Eldrazi Titans on turn 4

>>95943795
They've been surprisingly silent about all that shit as far as I'm aware. Was it meant to be for the whole month or just for a week or what? Because I haven't heard a thing about the pride month partner commander thing at my LGS and there's 100% autistic sweats that would take advantage of it to build something broken.

>>95943812
Damn, amazing! Thank you anon
>>95943728
Thank you anon! I love a lot of these too

>>95943771
>I thought you a patrician
I have no shame in proclaiming myself a humble plebe. I like to think myself vindicated by making proxy art by my own hand, and would likely do the same for Jhoira.
>my LGS has such a small pool of players and people really don't give a fuck about other peoples enjoyment.
That sounds horrid.
>>95943772
I did look at the other versions, and they didn't manage to peak my interest. Especially not the version you posted, sorry.
>>95943811
Thank you kind anon

>>95943814
>I fucking hate cards that allow another person to ping me for one, especially if they get to do other stuff because of it. Is that a powerful mechanic? Is it going to win the game? Why am I not allowed to hate it if the answer is no?

>>95943814
>not a good strategy (generally)
>doesn't actually hinder your game plan
>potentially backfires super hard and helps out another very popular archetype
it's overly hated because it feels bad, not because it's actually a powerful or overwhelming strategy.

>>95943826
No it's not
Sincerely, Timmy

>>95943853
Yes, you are allowed to hate those kinds of cards.

>>95943829
My LGS is holding it on friday, they even reserved the promo cards for us.
Most other LGS's close to me seem to be hosting it this friday too

>>95943549 (OP)
Pearl medallion? The only thing OP deserves is a pearl necklace HEYYYOOO!

>>95943829
the official event is supposed to be this coming weekend

>>95943865
we're also allowed to laugh at you for being a pussy

Give me your favorite full art lands to pimp out my basics.

give me more flavor for Golbez, anons
https://archidekt.com/decks/14027426/golbez

>>95943882
flex on em with the original Unglued full arts

>>95943882
full art basics aren't special anymore now that every set gets them

>>95943849
>>my LGS has such a small pool of players and people really don't give a fuck about other peoples enjoyment.
>That sounds horrid.
A bit. They're not absolute retard assholes who just cEDH every game, but they will play a lot of $50 cards, proxy up multi-hundred dollar cards, a lot of theft, control, discard and stax decks, land destruction, infinite combos etc.
Even when they play something low power they'll play it very cruelly and focus a player down.

I dunno man, it's so rare that I get games I enjoy. I just play because I enjoy the experience of a Commander game. I'd rather everyones deck got to at least do its thing and we don't worry so much about who wins than play with people who literally aren't happy unless they leave the store with at least 1 win- as if winning in Commander of all fucking things should mean anything.

>>95943898
>Unglued full arts
Yeah but they are ugly as sin, besides maybe the forrest. The tap symbol ruins it for me.

>>95943907
Yes, but I just want good looking lands.

>>95943913
yet another reminder that proxyfags have no self control and is a walking time bomb of escalation
proxying is only ethical if it's 100% cedh

>>95943869
>>95943875
So what's supposed to happen with it? There's promos? Sorry, we first hear about this shit in like February and though I partook in the memes I don't really remember what's supposed to happen.

>>95943925
Based combo

I'm retarded, how is Cecil an orzhov commander, I thought I was gonna have to rule 0 him and rosa but I guess he's not mono black

>>95943925
yeah, a Chromatic Lantern featuring Niko

>>95943829
Didn't you hear? Pride month is cancelled

>>95943863
>it's overly hated because it feels bad
>overly
See, there you go again obsessing over this idea that hate ought to correlate with power- and if something isn't powerful then it's "overly" hated.
Why anon? Explain to me why something should only be hated proportionately to its power.

>>95943925
Stores hold an event and you use two commanders.
This is the promo, it's awful but I will be holding it to sell at some point.

>>95943811
>>95943849
I forgot 2

Clockspinning
Shivan sand mage(probably the worst one but again limited options)

>>95943934
a flip commander's color identity considers both sides of the card, Paladin Cecil is white

Delney, Streetwise Lookout | Inti, Seneschal of the Sun | Planeswalker Series Summer 2025 Promos

>>95943931
Would unironically be pretty effective with some blink instants and sorceries, flying 8/8s would be pretty formidable
>>95943937
>>95943946
Oooooh right yeah. Nah fuck that then. If the promos were characters fagging/dyking it up I might actually care. But who cares about a very niche mana rock getting a new art?
What a fumble.
>>95943941
All gay is now prohibited in Magic

>>95943582
I want to build her so bad, but I just can't think of a way to have her not be absolute shit.

>>95943951
The little dot next to his type is what makes him white? I thought it had to be a pop in the rules text or whatever

>>95943953
she cute

https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/24-06-25-anje/?cb=1750747474
Anje madness deck "upgraded" with some cards I found around my collection. R8 n h8
I've also commissioned a custom proxy that should arrive in a month

>>95943964
Uhh anon.... delney is non-binary... not a she....

>>95943961
Yeah too slow. Literally Nesting Grounds with extra steps, and there's not even that many types of counters in monoblue.

>>95943973
delney is a mentally ill woman

anything good anounced at magicon? doesn't seem like anything fun or interesting was anounced.

tq: space hat set is a pass. modern magic writers are trash. we're getting like imagine baby sitters ds levels of shovel ware cards.

>>95943962
yep. See Rograkh and for non-flip examples

>>95943882
Am I the only one who dislikes full art? I like the frame.

>>95943953
that Delney is going to be $200

>>95943975
She's really hot though.

>>95943990
shocks in space hat set, I guess

>>95943785
It always surprises me when people are scared of tribal that's not Goblins or Vampires. Maybe Merfolk. Elves probably not.

>>95943995
Confusing at first but thank you, now I can at least start building my Cecil deck
I thought I'd have to use the tymma reprint or rule zero him

>>95944024
The first game of magic I ever played using my fresh precon was against a krenko deck with proxies and I've hated that faggot ever since

>>95944014
ah damn thanks. that really earth bends my rocks. ah well maybe the rav remastered shocks will get cheaper.

>>95943953
are those bullet casings in the Delney art

how'd they get away with that

>>95943973
zhe looks like xe has a bagina fit for my penor doe

>last couple days to post memes like pic related

>>95944047
man the avatar set is gonna suck so hard but I do admit I'll be curious to see what they do with toph

>>95944082
Yeah, I'm also looking forward to Toph. If it's a neat concept, I'll probably make a deck around her.

>>95943673
>I’m an optimist

Why the fuck would you be? How many times do you need someone who says they're gonna give you some ice cream if you close your eyes and open your mouth only to get a big load of cum in your mouth every single goddamn time to figure out it ain't ever gonna get some damn ice cream?

We already know what in-house WOTC products are: ugly sterile borderline AI art full of wokeshit and barely thought out story lines that fucking suck and are totally bereft of anything interesting in them because god forbid some grandma gets offended. Magic writing was never great and often not even good, but nowadays its beyond insipid Disneytier family friendly fantasyslop. We're talking about a company who made a cowboy plane without guns full of shit with names like Eversaloon and Tarnation.

You're not getting fascist faeries with interesting art. You're getting troons and black women with afro faeries that get along with everyone while the Jacetice league replete with their wuvvable new mascot Loot (TRADEMARK DONUTSTEEL) cavort around and stop some big meanie who isn't actually all that mean el oh el.

>>95944082
>cowards couldn't put black in his cost
>another UB set where the IP licensor thinks black = evil and won't let their heroes be printed in black
God it's so tiresome. Aang absolutely has the capacity for hatred and violence, it's just balanced out by other aspects of who he is, there are several fucking episodes on this very topic.

>>95944082
I wonder how bending works.

>>95944095
>made a cowboy plane without guns
I mean this just isn't true.

>>95944112
Its more that black doesn't fit with the 4 elements that he's a master of while red, blue, white and green can be easily stretched to fit them.

>>95944143
This is cope anon. I fucking promise you Azula, Ozai, and a pre-redemption Zuko will all be printed in black.

>>95943882
I proxy mine and this one's my favourite.

>>95944141
Magical wands shaped like tuning forks are not guns.

finished making my decks at magiccon

https://archidekt.com/decks/14041825/rock_lobster
just woops ass


https://archidekt.com/decks/14041500/burning_chaos_in_the_wind
Clive, tier 3, kicks ass, transformed him 5 times in one turn to fight the board, so he could swing commander lethal.


https://archidekt.com/decks/13429111/kefka_max
Kefka, tier 3, mix silly and competitive
>Tempt with mayhem show and tell
>Gogo copied descent into avernus trigger 5 times
>Worldgorger -> Monument to endurance/kefka infinite

>>95944160
It's shit bait do not engage my man.

>>95944151
>meanwhile i like the fact that aang is 4cmc not 5cmc while still being technically WUBRG

>>95944143
Black doesn't fit with the four elements, his character, or anything to do with the concept of the Avatar itself, but they still crowbarred Black into his color identity to pander to 5-color value pile players

>>95944095
>Why the fuck would you be?
Because it’s my natural disposition. I don’t choose to be optimistic, it just happens to be the case that I’m always hopeful about the future and willing to give things the benefit of the doubt. Am I often disappointed? Sure. But that disappointment doesn’t sting any more than it would if I spent all my time moaning about how awful everything is and will be.

I can be realistic about things. I can recognize that there is a trend implied by Thunder Junction, Duskmourn, Aetherdrift, Final Fantasy, and Edge of Eternities all looking like complete garbage and all being sets that I skipped. I can acknowledge that today’s design and art teams aren’t the same as yesterday’s. But I can also look at sets like Bloomburrow—another set that leaned on more fanciful, storybook themes, like Lorwyn—and Tarkir—another set that returned to a fan-favorite plane that had been left in a somewhat uncertain state—and see that both were executed well, even if there were still choices I wouldn’t have made and some directions that I wasn’t fond of.

>>95944160
>>95944167
It has a stock and a trigger what the fuck are you talking about?
>ummmm akshually I would like my fantasy less fantastical
Here's hoping Edge of Eternities is nothing but Saturn Vs and NASA-style space shuttles then. God forbid they include something that doesn't look exactly like its real world counterpart

>>95944067
heh heh heh

>>95944186
>Thunder Junction, Duskmourn, Aetherdrift, Final Fantasy, and Edge of Eternities
>thinks Final Fantasy is part of this trend

You're not optimistic dude you're just retarded.

will you be arriving to Pride Night with a straight couple, or are you a coward

>>95944201
the regular art for Final Fantasy is pretty bland

>>95944188
>makes your wubrg commander cost less
>still mad
i hate you for folding my $100 bill wrong, 2025 edition

>>95944179
>Black doesn't fit with the four elements, his character, or anything to do with the concept of the Avatar itself
>HELLO I HAVE NOT WATCHED THE SHOW BUT I STILL HAVE VERY LOUD OPINIONS
My man, characters literally say out-fucking-loud how everyone has light and dark within them and that what matters most is finding the balance within yourself.
It's why actual fans get pretty annoyed about the deus ex machina spirit bending at the end. The whole show Aang has said if he kills Ozai he's no better than him, but there seems to be no other way to make him stop his campaign for world domination, and then in the final few minutes of the final fucking episode he suddenly learns how to remove other people's bending so Ozai isn't powerful anymore.

>>95944201
The trend is sets that look like garbage and that I had no interest in. And that is a trend that Final Fantasy is absolutely part of.

>>95944193
So many people ITT who just know

>>95944222
there is no universe where Aang grappling with the moral dilemma of having to kill someone to save the world is equivalent to having any character traits associated with MTG's Black color

>>95944205

>>95944214
and here we have an example of who that B pip is for, 5-color value slop players who don't actually care about what the colors are supposed to represent

>>95944151
Its thematic rather than fitting into the wburg system as it should is what I should have said.
It's not great but its what they did so idk what you want me to tell you

>>95944201
>nooo you have to like my trash-tier UB set because it ISN’T original Magic IP and that makes it based and redpilled
Garbage is garbage regardless of whose cock you’d like to suck

>>95944225
>>95944212
We get it you guys are super cool for being contrarian around the only set in the last year and a half that actually looks good and plays good. Don't worry your precious Universes Within sets representing (You) are coming down soon.

>>95944205
I'm going to my LGS with a gay couple and both their decks are running straight commander pairings while mine has lesbians at the helm

>>95944248
when are you retards going to learn that in-universe sets being shit doesn't make UB sets better, and that posting retarded UW cards isn't a gotcha

>>95944162
Thanka for the Clive list anon, I was trying to get a list for my boy but I wasn't sure how to build him and the only thing I could think of was Ifrit burning the world

>>95944241
to make 4 color meaningful beyond partners wotc has to actually make cards that reward you for sticking with it
like a mechanic that says "you can't cast this card if you control a permanent that can produce B"

>>95944234
Avatar Kyoshi and Avatar Roku both fucking say to Aang that sometimes killing is necessary. Kyoshi didn't even seem to view it as morally wrong, more just as convenient. There's a whole episode about her being accused of murder, where it turns out that actually she didn't kill the person but she was going to.
And I'm not saying that dealing with the morality of killing someone = black, I'm saying the show fucking beat people over the head for multiple seasons that all people have good and bad inside of them, all people can be cruel and destructive and violent, but they should seek balance within themselves.
The Avatar is the spirit of the world, representing all peoples and all nations. Spirits on numerous occasions showed the capacity to be destructive and lash out. Black is abso-fucking-lutely part of the Avatar's identity.

>that one guy who goes out of his way to refer to characters as they/them and will correct you when you say he
And don't fucking tell me that this didn't happen because I can assure you it did and he also says typal instead of tribal.

>>95944252
>when are you retards going to learn that in-universe sets being shit doesn't make UB sets better

No, what makes a UB sets better is when that UB set is just better. FF was better than Aetherdrift Duskmourn Thunder Junction and Murders at Karlov Manor. In contrast, Dr Who and Assassins Creed were worse than Bloomburrow and Tarkir. You pissbabies are just mad WOTC can't consistently produce any stand out sets anymore and FF is the best product by every metric that's been released in a while

>and that posting retarded UW cards isn't a gotcha

Yes it is, stay mad crybaby.

>>95944257
You may notice that Kyoshi and Roku are not actually Aang. Aang himself *isn't* cruel, destructive, or violent. He does not hold the capacity for those feelings within him, which is what made firebending so difficult for him to learn, and why the seemingly impossible choice of having to kill Ozai was so difficult for him. He's not MTG Black by any stretch, and you're just trying to justify making his card yet another 5-color value slop commander.

where are the gays
give me the gays

>>95944112
There is nothing Black about Aang's character at all whereas characters like Ozai and Azula definitely have Black personalities.

>>95944291
Olivia and Edgar wedding deck would be cool as fuck

How adjacent are edict and aristocratic strategies? Would they run most of the same cards?

>>95944291

>>95944301
Making a Sephiroth deck like everyone else?

>>95944301
aristrocrats doesn't have to be edicts, but edicts is pretty much just aristocrats but with more "fuck you"

>>95944284
>You may notice that Kyoshi and Roku are not actually Aang.
Okay at this point you're just trying to bait me. The Avatar is all of his past lives, kind of the point.
>Aang himself *isn't* cruel, destructive, or violent. He does not hold the capacity for those feelings within him
He does and it scares him, it's literally the fucking plot of multiple episodes. He goes full fucking MobPsycho and wipes people out in the dozens several times. He wants revenge for what happened to the Air Temples, and when Appa is stolen, not out of any sense of justice but because he wants those people to hurt like he did. Numerous fucking times Katara has to be the one to stop him and calm him down because he has gone too far.
>which is what made firebending so difficult for him to learn
Firebending WASN'T difficult for him to learn, earthbending was. He had an affinity for firebending, and again its destructive power scared him.
He doesn't want to be a violent or destructive person, but he can be and that's why he has to grapple with those feelings
>>95944293
See above.

I feel like I'm a bear just getting poked with sticks. You retards are really going to sit here and post things you know to be wrong just to see if I will reply to correct you.
The entire fucking show is about balance. The entire fucking show is about the fact that people have the capacity for evil inside them but they must find the balance within and choose to be good.
There is nothing more to say. You're just wrong.

>>95944310
>>95944312
Yes but in the 99, not the Command Zone. For the Commander I am thinking Squall or Mardu Terra. I mentioned it here a few days ago but I am working on a list that can swap in and out Edict effects depending on if I want to lean more into Edicts and become enemy number 1 or lean more into self sacrifice stuff.

>>95944082
I'm already worried about how parasitic bending is going to be as a mechanic. How do you even use it with in-universe cards?

>>95944322
The Avatar is still his own person, he's not a gestalt being.

>>95944024
>put my sliver deck on the table
>people immediately get tilted
>I get targeted down immediately even when it's obvious I bricked because lol5colourcommander

>this doesn't happen when I play ANY OTHER TRIBAL deck

every goddamn time.

>>95944330
>How do you even use it with in-universe cards?
My working theory right now is
>Fire Bending - When you cast a noncreature red spell, gain +1/+1 until end of turn (In Aang's case, Firebending 2 gives +2/+2 until end of turn)
So essentially Devotion Prowess

>>95944331
No the Avatar is the world spirit in human form. It is one entity that has lived a thousand lives. You are coming at it from the wrong perspective of every Avatar being a person who is just connected to other people from the past. This is wrong.
And no, true fans know that Wan and Rava aren't canon

>>95944248
>posts a card from a set that I included in my list of sets that look like garbage and that I have no interest in
What are you trying to argue, here?

>>95944340
nigga no, the Avatars clearly all have their own personalities and desires, even in the context of just ATLA. Yangchen and Kuruk are basically polar opposites of each other.

>>95944248
>Their
>They

>>95944248
>the only set in the last year and a half that actually looks good and plays good
Bloomburrow was less than a year ago, you absolute niggerfaggot.

>>95944350
Because they lived different lives and those experiences cultivated their beliefs and personalities. Avatar reincarnation is going to work the same as eastern religious views on reincarnation.

>>95944351
rent free

>>95944350
>the Avatars clearly all have their own personalities and desires
Irrelevant to the question of whether the Avatar as an entity has black in hits color identity. The answer is fucking yes. How many fucking times would you like me to repeat that entire episodes are centred on Aang's capacity for hatred and revenge? 10 times? 50? If I type that sentence 50 times will you be satisfied?

>>95944338
see I think it's an attack trigger with a different effect for each element (firebending=deal X damage, waterbending=bounce X cards, airbending=tap X creatures, earthbending=create a 0/X wall token)

>>95944372
Black isn’t about hatred and revenge, it’s about desire for power for power’s sake. Often, someone motivated to power will be typified by hatred and revenge, but both are also well within white’s wheelhouse.

>>95944373
It’s a bit more bizarre than that, because Aang’s card specifies when YOU xbend, which means it’s a keyword action of some kind.

>>95944376
Does this guy post here

>>95944377
>>Aang himself *isn't* cruel, destructive, or violent. He does not hold the capacity for those feelings within him
>Black isn’t about hatred and revenge
Goal posts go nyoooooooooooooom

>>95944373
Not a bad idea but my reasoning for it being essentially devotion prowess is I think for the martial art aesthetic they are going to draw from Jeskai mechanically hence the prowess derived idea.
I also think it makes mechanical and thematic sense for the keyword to be powering them up for an attack by casting the spells/bending elements, since of course they are using bending for combat.

>>95944406
I think Wizards would be retarded to make Izzet prowess even stronger but they've been retarded before

>>95944412
They would be retarded to make it stronger with the FF set as well but they did exactly that, no reason to think they would have any inhibitions about doing it again.

>>95944421
Kek

>>95944404
Different poster, sorry. I’ll agree that the other guy has a weak argument and is a faggot, though, if that makes you feel better.

>>95944421
At least put it in the template anon

Even if its phyrexian tribal I'm assuming atraxa would be too strong at most tables, I really wanted to build a praetor deck with world breaker but I'm assuming most people will see atraxa and just not wanna deal with it

>>95944291

>>95944437
>Different poster, sorry.
Convenient.
In any case, the Avatar doesn't need to be full black to have black as part of his color identity. As I have said probably dozens of times now, the entire show is about balance. Aang and every Avatar before him have the capacity for the things associated with black, but it is balanced out by all his other attributes. Literally the entire fucking point balance, in Magic terms that is 5c

So recently some family and friends got back in after being away from the game for a long time (I last played in Mirrodin, friends were a little earlier, the longest was even longer) but we found our collections from back then - a rather lot of cards.

What sort of resources are there for cataloging collections, and since these boxes are falling the fuck apart, what sort of storage solutions do you all like?

>>95944141
>cowboys and indians set
>the cowboys are indians
what did wotc mean by this

>>95944465
I think custom tokens are fun, but this is cringe.

>>95944248
Down with the Thempire

>>95943771
>>95943786
truely a master of big bad dragons

>>95944451
There are multiple phone apps for scanning collections, I use Manabox and a 3d printed rig to just throw the cards in safely. You can just use a few stacked books to hold our phone up too but I had a friend willing to print one for me for cheap.
You can then export the file to a website like Moxfield to keep track of everything as well as make decks.
I too left around Fifth Dawn and came back just a year ago.
finding out what happened to Mirrodin was very sad

>>95944440
shan't

>>95944449
Sure. I don’t have a dog in the Avatar race specifically, I just hate it when people say that black is negative emotions when its whole thing is just power. Which, again, amplifies the effect of negative emotions, but isn’t synonymous with them.

The main argument I could see justifying 4c Aang is if he has a mono-W card as an airbender, a WU card once he picks up waterbending, a GWU card once he picks up earthbending, and RGWU as the fully-realized Avatar after picking up firebending. In that case, I’d argue you specifically DON’T want sudden 5c because of how that would imply firebending to be BR instead of just R—and the entire final season was about how it’s actually R and not BR.

Still, even in such a case, I think you’d be better having RGWU Aang as something short of his final form, adding a fifth card to take the extra step to imply that spiritbending is what gets him full 5c. Which also has a neat little logic to it, as spiritbending is literally the direct manipulation of power itself.

>>95944501
Already did that one months ago

Anyone play the Weasel? Is he any fun?

>>95944448
uh oh lib melty

>Anyone play [extremely one-dimensional card]? Is he any fun?

>>95944535
what do I do with this?

>>95943597
Capsize, Unsummon, Boomerang, Snap, Unsubstantiate

>>95944535
>le voxy on a card xDDDDDDD

>>95944470
How so?

>>95943549 (OP)
They should have retroactively given every commander partners with (vehicle) and every legendary vehicle partners with (nonvehicle) instead of just allowing vehicles as commanders

>>95944599
Do you have the slightest idea of how many horrific doors you’d open with that?

>>95944606
Don't care, it makes more sense and appeases my autism better

>>95944599
>why did wotc allow vehicles to be commanders
picrel

>>95944465
This one rocks. I like this one.

>>95944619
I didn't ask why, I said they should have done it differently (worse)

>>95944615
that doesn't make any sense actually.

>>95944631
specific ships/vehicles are generally associated with specific owners already

>>95944627
kira yamato
ace pilot (you can have two commanders if the other is a gundam)
they'll do it when appropriate calm your tits

>>95944615
>Hello, yes, I would prefer to make the game worse for the sake of my autism.
You are scum.

>>95943744
How is mill interactive in literally any way outside of you already having a graveyard deck beforehand?

>>95943937
Would be really pretty without the gay nigger hogging the screen. I love paper lanterns.

How does she spin the shuriken without cutting herself

>>95944151
But elements aside all those characters would logically belong in black though???

>>95944688
She knows how to move her hips

>>95944599
I think every mono color commander should just have partner.
>ermmm but degenerate combo!!!!
Degeneracy is a mainstay of the format

>>95944463
That's what cowboys were in real life you tard. It was such an accepted and known about fact that we literally had shaved hispanic people play their roles in old westerns.

>>95944337
>>95944024
0/10 attempts at gaslighting silver fags, you get as much hate as you deserver.

>>95944257
>The Avatar is the spirit of the world, representing all peoples and all nations.
Sorry Chud, that got retconned hard in Legend of Korra.

>>95944248
Yeah I don't get how people can talk so much shit about the Final Fantasy set's art when THIS is what we get to come back to after.

>>95944749
FF's art is just kind of bland and unremarkable. It's like white noise.

>>95944749
They’re both shit. I don’t have to like one bowl of excrement just because another also smells.

>>95944337
Have you tried telling them beforehand you're not running any homosexual slivers that make all your shit indestructible or hexproof? That is how you built your deck, right? You have a reason to not be hated?

>>95944463
>>95944725
Cowboy culture is a mix of mesoamerican and the old white boy wild west attitude you see. Definitely a massive part of it came from them and they are the main practitioners of it today still

>>95944212
>the regular art for Final Fantasy is pretty bland
>btw what is upselling

>>95944725
Most cowboys were actually black. What their job was, was actually shit, and it was all they were able to get as work as newly freed slaves.
A lot were also indians, yes.

>>95944361
No it cost quite a lot of money to print that card, Anon.

>>95944713
The point is that black will exclusively be the "evil" color in both Spider-Man and Avatar, mark my fucking words.
>>95944743
God don't remind me. And they're doubling down on it with the next series.

>>95944393
No that's a Facebook screenshot.

>>95944357
The funny animal sets where brave mice gather aroudn the campfire and fight evil cats?

>>95944361
>the liberal cries out rent free as he is found out

>>95944449
You are so fucking gay dude.

>>95944778
I can see a world where Katara gets a UB card in her bloodbender assassin era

>>95944783
Bloomburrow was rad

>>95944771
Damn I didn't know Tariq Nasheed played Commander.

>>95944470
You're cringe.

r8/h8

>>95944783
Yes.

>>95943549 (OP)
>tq
I usually pick up a box to draft so yeah. Hate that the boxes are not divisible by four anymore

>>95944753
Well a set that's not full of niggers and troons isn't unremarkable to me.

>>95944248
>looks good
It doesn't though? It looks the same.
>plays good
This it definitely does not do. FF draft was awful.

>>95944535
>Cheats spells
>Lets you bin reanimation targets
>3 power
He goes crazy in Terra doesn't he?

Is it accurate to say that speed and consistency are the main factors that define deck strength?

>>95944843
>Draft
This is the edh thread

>>95944907
Speed, consistency, and resilience are the ones I try to judge by.

>>95944907
>hit hard
>hit fast
>hit often

>>95944907
Speed, consistency, resilience, interaction.
A deck without speed loses before it gets off the ground.
A deck without consistency might never get off the ground.
A deck without resilience can't get off the ground once it's been knocked down.
A deck without interaction can only get off the ground if no one else gets off the ground first.

>>95944907
>Does being able to win consistently and as quickly as possible make a deck good?

>>95944291
Should be using third leg Olivia.

>>95944907
>don't get hit
>hit the monst- opponent

>all this autism spamming about colour identities in UB sets that aren't even out yet

>>95944961
>autism
>UB
there is no choice, enjoy the foul smelling furries.

What would their colors be?

>>95944981
I don't know who any of these are but I want these girls to kiss.
Make them orzhov so i can play them

>>95945007
fuck I was yuri goggling out and forgot the image

>>95945007
>>95945015
>he doesn’t know

>>95944909
Where like 8 cards are viable

>>95945015
The one on the left has a penis

>>95945044
>>95945069
Oh no you cant do this to me
they will take away my /u/ card
no no no please no

>>95944112
>another UB set where the IP licensor thinks black = evil and won't let their heroes be printed in black
Damn straight, I don't want anyone's heros as my commander in my black decks. We're all evil here.

>>95945088
Is that the white rose of yorkshire?
How have I never noticed that

>>95945105
it depends on the tarot deck whether it uses that art. you probably saw a similar "death on a pale horse" without the banner.

>>95945050
I'm sorry, which set are we talking about? This could easily mean any of them

>>95944393
Yes, just mention how you like UB or use proxies, he'll come running to mald at you.

Never trust them black mana decks.

>>95945105
Ironic given who won

>>95944376
Designslop schizo irl

>>95944376
>Landfall means r&d sucks
Severe mental illness

Why does everyone hate blue-black decks so much? All I see is people bitching about UB carrs constantly

>>95945266
It's the theft

Are there any cards that give your graveyard hexproof/protection from exile or is holding up a counter really the only way?

Whats the best bet for mono red? It always skews towards equipment and voltron stuff or some combo in a can commander. Is there any way to actually just play a burn strat?

>>95945266
Cancerous playstyles, no exceptions. Dimir is the 2nd strongest color after Green.

>>95945196
Based, please post this as much as possible because I agree with it

>>95945310
Goblin breeding and impact tremor

>>95945310
Axonil, Imodane, maybe MH3 Ashling

Are elves too strong for casual EDH? Every time I wheel these out I feel like the town rapist showing up at a kid's birthday party, and I'm not even playing an optimal elf commander.

>>95943549 (OP)
My waifu for the past 25 years. Now if only they made her with any care beyond being a mana dork. I know she isnt a particularly well known character in the series, and her race was a footnote... But holy shit, Sephiroth and Cloud got 4 cards each, and the best they could do for Freya was a fucking mana dork?

>>95945310
This and 99 mountains

>>95945419
She's pretty good anon

>>95944961
Autism spamming? Are you LITERALLY complaining about genuine discussion happening in a Magic thread?

>>95945209
Are you telling me the canon ending to Duelists of the Roses was siding with Kaiba?

God I fucking love mill, milling myself or my opponents I just love mill decks

>>95945310
I always thought she was fun spamming cantrips

>>95944112
Fucking preach brother. Not counting partners most 4 color combinations have 1 playable commander but this will be the fifth one for RGWU. As much as magicfags love to bang on about the color pie being great it's proven to be utterly predictable and stupid for every UB release.
>RGWU = good!
>B = bad!
Never mind that wotc themselves made an effort to avoid pigeon holing black into being the only color with a capacity for evil for years. Now UB comes along and oops all the bad guys are centered black with some being Rakdos or Grixis splash! Spiderman is gonna be the same eyerolling shit. At least make the fucking Nephilim official legends so the other 4c color combos can do something other than pick partners or the one designated guy wotc gave them, it sucks.

>>95945266
I was confused at first too. It feels very strange that that's the acronym we ended up at, but it is what it is. Really should be using UnBe or something but that sounds retarded.

>>95945497
Almost every deck I play has black and it genuinely feels weird to play a deck without it

>>95945480
Anti-UBfag is genuinely the worst poster in the general. Just ignore xer.

>>95945496
this is sick actually do you play it like burn? she goes infinite with any extra combat guys. but say like sunspine lynx or red dragon can just kill the table flat
>>95945426
Ive built her and shes just a voltron deck with a board wipe option Rograkh and Kediss are more fun
>>95945349
Imodane is great on paper but it just winds up with you stalling until you can get the combo, storm is gonna do what she does anyway
>>95945337
Love me a purph deck

Black is inherently evil and I'm tired of pretending otherwise just because evil people doing stuff for a good cause sometimes exist. They still did evil things. If you are an individualist you are evil, objectively and ontologically.

>>95945534
I have some extra combat people in there yes, its mostly low cost burn and wheels

>>95944112
To be fair, WOTC does not have writers capable of making Black not senselessly evil and White not explicitly and brainlessly good. Notions of building up a plane and giving justifiable reasons based on the setting's themes and concepts as to how a color scheme can lead to villainous actions that don't break the color pie are lost on this company.
>B-BUT ELESH NORN!
Every single Phyrexian Praetor was a different sphere of omnicidally evil. If they could, they would have stuck a Black symbol onto all five of them.

if i cracked a shockland and it had space ships on it i think i would cry

>>95945539
>>95945547
toshiro umezawa was wotc's first and most likely last attempt to create a nuanced black hero, especially when current wotc are the same people who gave us ikoria slop

>>95945546
post list

>>95945539
NO YOU CAN'T HECKIN JUDGE PEOPLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS AND ATTITUDES NO ONE IS TRULY EVIL THEY'RE JUST PRODUCTS OF THEIR HECKIN' ENVIRONMENT

>>95945553
Even UNF's were better.

>>95945566
Kamigawa was their last successful attempt. The problem now is that they think they've done good by delivering Liliana to us as a "reformed" Black character, who is written unbelievably poorly and simply handwaves plane-wide massacres, fucking over fellow Planeswalkers, and toying with corpses for most of her life due to her contracts with demons that she never once actually had to pay her part in. They're too retarded to understand their own failures, so it's hard to think of Black as anything other than TEH EVIL PENGUIN OF DOOM color that you slap onto any villain.

>>95945599
the unf lands were not bad at all

>>95945434
She's good and useable, but also not like... Amazing? She's a 1/1 mana dork for equipment with flying half the time. A good addition for red equipment decks, an auto include even! But... I wanted to be able to make a commander deck based around my waifu. I wanted to win games with my waifu, not use her like a less versatile llanowar elves so other creatures take center stage.

>>95945266
You just need to choose the right commander
>you seem in trouble, have this Lorg of the Pit, is on the house.

>>95945592
NTA but Black honestly is better served as the color of Ambition in general rather than just self-centered sociopathy. I was seething that this character didn't have a Black symbol simply because she's not explicitly evil, even though she's literally every other definition of Black that isn't literally just "Evil". She's loyal to her own state, but acts freely of her own volition, she aims to be more powerful than anybody she encounters and routinely destroys anything threatening her or or surrounding territory, she is a sharp opportunist who takes advantage of every single situation she can to get slightly further ahead, and will explicitly capture and kidnap enemies to the state to torment them or experiment on them. The /literal/ only reason she's not Black is because her routine acts of destruction are in service of Windurst and she very frequently attacks actually explicitly evil and senselessly destructive entities in the setting while showing off her powers to the general population in a braggart's manner as she saves them. She's not a "hero" by any definition of the word, and if Windurst was a nation hellbent on world conquest, she'd basically be their court wizard that reduces enemy kingdoms to ash, but that dubiousness is why they think she doesn't deserve to be Black despite having every other attribute of Black.

>>95945615
I adore this one.

>>95945655
she got this at least

>>95945624
I will take good and useable over what I got with Yuffie :(

I understand your pain though, it's rough that not every character got an opportunity to truly shine

>>95945671
Only saving grace

Pulled this, along with cavern of souls. Kinda feel obligated to make a tribal deck now what's a funky tribe

>>95945725
Elder

>>95945725
treefolk you dummy

>>95945337
>Goblin breeding and impact tremor
There's probably a better way to play goblins but I really do love swarming with tokens.

>>95945725
Lhurgoyfs, Kavus or Atogs.

>>95945725
Shapeshifter

I am a player returning to Magic and am so excited for the space set.

My friends play commander and I am going to buy one of the two commander precons.
But I'm also thinking of buying one play booster box or a bundle, which do you recommend?

>>95945783
Robot precon, don't bother with packs.

>>95945655
It's a fantasy card game, not Blood Meridian. If you want Grey and Gray muh nuanced characters there's thousands of books and movies to go get your fill of it. I want FANTASY, not fucking morality speeches. I want to see Aragorn root every evil orc shit out of their stinking orc holes, not sit down and discuss tax policy with them.

The problem is there's too many fucking nerd manchildren in fantasy that have obviously emotionally outgrown the genre but they refuse to seek out mature non-fantasty/sci-fantasy storytelling so they want their depressing nonsense forced into more lighthearted simplistic settings.

Black is evil, White is good. Anyone arguing otherwise is cringe and needs to grow up.

>>95945725
Skeleton,

>>95945547
>White not explicitly and brainlessly good
Heliod wasn’t that long ago.

>>95945534
I play ashling not as a voltron deck. It has a few equips, sure, but it's more amplifying burn. See >>95944816

>>95945566
>>95945614
Davriel Cane, though WotC wasn’t really responsible for that.

>>95945677
Didnt Yuffie get 2 cards, and both are good? One is just Yuriko and the other is an artifact thief that also get equipment on for free and ninjutsu?

>>95945783
I usually get a bundle. I'd wait til lists are released cause both the revealed commanders look boring so far

>>95945848
The artifact thief one is not good as a commander at least
The other is Yuriko. And while I do have a Yuriko deck, people don't exactly like to play against Yuriko

I'm not trying to say it's the same as Fran but I wish something different had happened

>>95945737
I pretty much have all the relevant treefolk cards already I always mean to make treefolk and rat tribal and I never make either. Actually i had a patron of the nezumi deck for a while but to put it in today's terms it was a bracket 2 playing against my friends b4 decks so it got scrapped. I could do it justice now I bet

>>95945940
We need more put commander into hand cards

>>95945923
But when the commander is already boring, how good can the deck be?

I mean, it's all about the commander isn't it? As soon as you see the commander you should have an exciting idea for the 99, if not then it's just a bad commander

>>95945949
Truth
I think what I want them to do instead is make all ninjutsu work from the hand or command zone, but then apply the tax

>>95945955
Depends on the precon. Some really rely on the commander and some have a more general commander that fits into the theme without being central. Im definitely a commander centric player so I wouldn't build a boring commander but a prebuilt could definitely still have really good bones and be fun even if I personally find it boring

New rule: pay current command tax to put your commander into your hand. Minimum payment of 2 mana.

Does this break anything?

>>95945534
>Love me a purph deck
I like the idea of my strat. with this deck is just me and Kreat making as many goblins as humanly possible in a game.

>>95945991
slow down we don't want to make iname as one broken

>>95943549 (OP)
>Alt TQ: What's the prettiest card art in the game?

>>95945599
>>95945615
>>95945667
I would be more inclined to buy this set if they just reprinted these as is in the boxes. But all things equal they would only be in collector boosters with a 0.01 percentage chance of showing up in a booster let's be honest.

>>95943744
truth nvke

>>95943614
10th Doctor if he hand and not deck

>>95946020
Pic unrelated?

>>95943882
I proxy these

>>95944276
I call Delney they/them because I cannot tell what the fuck this is. Is it a guy? Girl? Is it fuckin Pat from SNL?

>>95945088
Many many marvel "heroes" would qualify in black. Most of the xmen, for instance.
Cyclops is probably Grixis.

>>95946061
Cyclops is monowhite

>>95945497
I mean what exactly is black-mana about the Doctor?

has anyone made this fight club deck with this guy slicer kharn and alexios? Seems like a good time

>>95946069
pffffthaha
Le mastermind ruthless man is not mono white. Fucker is Dimir.

>>95946080
Cyclops, not Mr. Sinister

>>95946045
No one posted Therese Nielsen

>>95946047
Tranny hands typed this post.

>>95946071
he dies and comes back?

>>95946085
Sorry, anon. I'm a pixel artist.

>>95946087
>Jesus would be black mana

>>95946100
only Jesus, The Risen, and Jesus, Lazarus's Bestie.

>>95946045
>hundo thirty in foil
Someone must like it.

>>95946126
People will spend dumb amounts of money on anything with unique art.

>>95945725
mice

>>95946170
that's a 6 dollar card anon

>>95946180
For a card that normally goes for $0.15, yes.
I'd consider paying a 4000% premium to be dumb.

>>95946192
I wouldn't since it costs less than a coke and hotdog at a 7-11

How do people close out games with a goad strategy? I see all these neat goad commanders and yet they all seem like they're only good enough for 2nd place in every single game

>>95946198
have answers for the shit you give to people.

>>95946195
Well the point is that people are willing to spend a dumb amount of extra money for unique art no matter how crappy it is. I can tell you the card isn't priced higher than the others solely because a lot of people love the illustration on it.

>>95946198
You don't go all in on goad. Goad is good at buying time for you to set up a board that's independently threatening once everybody is weakened or one or two are dead. Something like Kardur (it's goad fuck you) can play a pretty straightforward reanimator plan that can ether recur him to keep buying time or just bring back something huge that will win the game. The biggest mistake people make with goad is putting too much of it in their deck.

>>95945518
I don't remember writing this post... hello brother

>want to run ancient copper dragon in my Mr. House deck
>don't want to spend $90 on a card for a casual fun deck
>find out it got reprinted in the FF set
>"Oh, awesome!"
>It's $85

fuck my life. When are we getting the non-borderless version that's going to be worth pennies compared to it?

>>95946306
half past never

>>95945266
Same reason why I hate Selesnya, Simic, Golgari, Orzhov, and Azorius: no red.

>>95944522
>I just hate it when people say that black is negative emotions when its whole thing is just power.
Black isn't "just" power. There is not a single color or color combination in MTG that is "just" one thing. Every single color has multiple attributes, and every single combination of colors is able to mix those attributes in a variety of different ways. Black is power, but it's also ambition, selfishness, individualism, and more. You can be firmly black while having 0 desire for power if you embody its other traits.

>>95946216
nta but cant say i blame them i like to buy some cards because they have noons and butts on them
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/every-sexy-card-art/

>>95945266
UB stands for Universes Beyond, not the color combo

>>95944162
Had another hilarious win

>Gogo out
>Cerberus hits lvl 3
>copy it 3 times
>cast Kefka's tower/bolas
>top deck erratic explosion

>>95946316
>ambition
>literally defined as the pursuit of power
Didn’t really think about your list of examples, huh?

>>95946198
Goad is a shit strategy that makes you archnemesis and is also just bad

retarded idea:
rukarumel naming slivers and playing all the good power matters creatures abusing the sliver +X/+X buff effects.

I'm torn. Should I build R/W aggro humans or Jeskai aggro/flicker humans?

>>95944162
>transformed him 5 times in one turn to fight the board,
How?

>>95946071
9 and 10 had massive black tendencies because they were the doctors who had seen a war that destroyed their home planet.
Shit happened so many fucking times during their eras. There was a whole episode about how 9 seeing a Dalek again turned him into someone cruel. He tortured it when it was helpless, and he was determined to kill it even when it was defenseless.
10 had so many moments like that too. Had a whole thing about being "the timelord victorious", which meant that as the last surviving member of the Time Lords he alone had the right to change history if he wanted to. And then there was a whole thing about how if he didn't have a companion (Donna) he would have fucking killed himself just to kill a spider bitch and her millions of babies.

I think people often get confused the more colors are in an identity, but just because someone is usually good, usually saves people, often acts selflessly etc does not mean that they can't have black as part of their identity. It's just balanced out by their other colors

>>95946427
>makes you archnemesis
Swing at me then :)

>>95945615
That is a planet, that is not a swamp
>>95945667
That is a planet, those are not plains

Why aren't Spacecraft Vehicles

>>95946555
Why aren't Vehicles Spacecraft

>>95946539
wtf bros this isn't an island

>not a spacecraft
Goddamnit wotc

>>95946572
There are clearly floating islands right there

what are fun group hug/politics cards in wg? building selvala, explorer returned

>>95946306
>Dragons are insanely popular because they’re goddamn dragons
>Print a dragon that can potentially vomit 20 mana onto the field
>Give it only two printings
That shit ain’t happening until it’s reprinted in four precons, and probably not even then.

>>95946306
Give it more time for the price to go down. Of course the price isn't going to drop immediately when the card was fucking blown the fuck to the moon.

do people actually just create a deck and never take it apart forever after? i always take apart old decks to make new ones. if i love it a lot i can just save the decklist

>>95946710
Okay.

>>95946710
I’m probably never going to take apart my Ixhel deck because it focuses on a keyword that probably isn’t going to get support until they either bring the Phyrexians back (about 10 years) or they errata it to work with new effects like they did with amass and armies

>>95946710
I've never taken apart any of my decks, I like how they're little snapshots in time of where I was at as a player and deckbuilder

>>95945725
Hail hydra. Spam hydras where X=0 to shit bodies on the field and then cast big hydras.

I'm most likely late to the party but is this guy busted or what? I've brewed a casual graveyard matters deck with him at the helm and the amount of cards I'm seeing is insane.

>>95946764
I know he saw cedh play. He's a great card advantage engine

Are there any cards that make creature tokens become normal creatures to trigger off shit like this
>>95946755

>>95946806
a token can never become a real card.

>>95946764
Yeah, he's valueslop.

>>95946821
perfect for my no interaction allowed bracket 2 only group.

>>95946738
have you made less than ten decks? that's the thing, i've made like 40+ decks in the last year, aint no way im spending that much money (even proxies would cost a shit ton)

>>95946441
daring today, are we

>>95946884
I've got like 30 or so, split almost 50/50 between commander and regular 60 card decks

>>95946764
He's a CEDH commander anon, he is very powerful

>>95946441
i did this, but just made an insect deck, cause all the other insect commanders suck. this way, I can play terrible bug cards, but they can become a threat cause slivers are retarded. slivers are also somewhat bug like, as they are big hivemind of critters similar to bees/wasps or ants

>>95946942
What's the cutoff for CEDH commanders? Somewhere around the top 20 ignoring the big Timmy Commanders?

>>95946963
The ones that place at cedh tournaments.

>>95946963
https://moxfield.com/decks/oEWXWHM5eEGMmopExLWRCA
If its above B+ and you're playing casual you're a sweat.

>>95946963
You're making a common blunder. CEDH commanders aren't "the best EDH commanders"; they're "commanders that can play CEDH".

A number of very powerful commanders are far too slow to play in CEDH because CEDH decks are designed to mull down to run extremely fast combos to defeat the rest of the table as quickly as possible. It is that very specific enviornment that decides whether a commander can play bracket 5.

That makes list like this >>95946975
kinda incomplete, because you can play a number of these commanders in EDH and NOT have them configured for CEDH degeneracy and they can be just fine at less sweaty tables.

I personally find CEDH really fucking stupid, but that's simply a value judgement on my part.

>>95946975
>Put loot the pathfinder in my Temur precon, able to flicker him
Shit was retarded, kinda want to make a deck with him at the helm

>>95946975
>Kaalia is competitive in CEDH
lmao what

>>95947005
People will see you sit down at a low power table with shit like glub or kinnan and just know by looking at your commander you're more than likely going to be sweaty shithead abusing every technicality to be "low power" but not really, or to put it simply you're just trying to pubstomp.
Not always, but more often than not that's the impression you give playing a "cedh" commander not in cedh

>>95946764
He's completely fucked. You will always have something to do with him on the table.

>>95946975
>marath not listed
officially a free thinker

>>95947005
Based
>>95947027
Retard

>>95947067
t, pubstomper

>>95947027
Glarb is completely different from Kinnan. His big benefits are being able to look at the top of your deck while using Ad Naus and being able to crack a Doomsday pile. If you don't have the combos in the deck he's just regular midrange value. Kinnan just busted for the mana he provides even with a budget deck.

>>95947076
Don't play Kinnan with dorks and less than 5 rocks, and one of those rocks not being a monolith, easy.

>>95947005
>I personally find CEDH really fucking stupid, but that's simply a value judgement on my part.
cedh commanders will look a lot fairer to you once gavin gets off his ass and bans going infinite/near infinite before turn X (imo 7) in bracket 3

>>95943962
So there are several old cards, kobolds and suspend spells, that said in there rules text they were X color, eventually they changed that to the dot, so just pretend the dot represents rules text.

>>95947115
>don't play kinnan with nonland mana producers
>pretend that the relevant text of the commander doesn't exist
lol
just say you want people to play loot exuberant explorer instead

>>95947130
His activated ability isn't that scary when you aren't able to do it 15 times in one turn

>>95947139
>kinnan can do his thing 15 times in one turn
>but i don't want you to run kinnan with nonland mana producers
kek

>>95947146
Yes anon, it was a thought experiment on how to play him at lower power. Try and use some reading comprehension instead of just instantly frothing like a retard.

>>95947156
>it was a thought experiment on how to play him at lower power
kinnan can't be made to run "weaker" as telling players to ignore the commander's text box is the closest thing to impossible, why do you think him yuriko and urza were made into GCs in the first place

>>95947175
I just explained how he could. Scaling power through deck building limitations. Will people, no, probably not, can it be done, absolutely.
Don't reply to me again until you gain 5 more IQ.

>>95947187
>i swear kinnan will be more balanced if people just ignored the part that makes him what he is
>what do you mean people will ask why they would even bother running kinnan as a commander then
just don't post retarded takes that ignore basic human behavior, easy.

https://moxfield.com/decks/BHDhKRIptk6v50iqfrARZg
any ways I could fix this deck? I've been trying to improve its consistency; I CONSTANTLY get mana screwed for my 5 colours.

>>95947198
>Didn't gain it IQ points
>Still missing the point
Shameful. Take your last word now like the subhuman you are.

>>95947201
uh oh melty hahaha
next time tell people to run silly 4+ card combos instead

>>95947200
you fix a 5 color mana base with cash to buy better lands.

It's a shame that mono red has so few good Living Weapon/For Mirrodin/Job Select/Reconfigure creatures, because he would be an insane commander otherwise. Guess I could just build him as equipment value slop with extra combats, but that's nowhere near as fun

>>95947200
try a land base that isn't sub-precon tier, maybe

Something about hitting bump limit does something to the anons in these threads. Turns them into a clinically retarded version of Japanese fighting fish

>>95947200
>WUBRG sliver
>3 basics for RGWB
>only 1 island for U
holy asymmetry

Odds I build Golbez
Evens I build Kefka

>>95947257
it is decided

>>95946198

This guy flashes in and slaps your girlfriend on the ass, what do you do?

Are the +1/+0s permanent or until end of turn? The Trample is clearly till EOT but the other syntax seems ambiguous

>>95947262
Fuckin A. There needs to be a lot more of these

>>95946657

>>95947271
EoT. Everything in the sentence that mentions "until end of turn" is effected by that clause. It reads
>creatures you control [get +1/+0 and gain trample] until end of turn

>>95947221
all the good living weapons are colorless. the for mirrodin equipments all seem kind of lackluster to me, wallbreaker is probably the most useful, maybe halberd if you really need more cards. the only useful job select is the katana. red kind of has the best reconfigure creatures anyway, just don't run the monkey.

>>95946764
>hey guys is removal ramp and draw with fixing in the command zone for 3 mana powerful?

No, it's weak as shit.

>>95943549 (OP)
Edge of Eternities seems fucking based to me. I'm hoping for a badass powercrept rakdos alien waifu storm commander who can replace Rowan

>Buy Dragon Shield sleeves
>Smoove
>Too smooth
>Slip all over the floor when I grab them
How fix

>>95947005
CEDH itself is great in a vacuum, the problem is the people who play edh tend to be the biggest anti-social politicking whiny nerd sweats around. Cedh will never live down the meme of the 11 hours final match with a 6 hour turn that ended in a draw, with one of the players begging the others to gift him the win because he had to go catch his early flight.

>>95947417
>people who play edh
*meant CEDH

>>95947287
I like picrel out of the For Mirrodin! equipment. Can't copy ETBs but you can still make anything a Sheolred or Hullbreaker Horror for 2 mana.

>oh I've got <some random commander> that could be fun
>put together a deck
>fishbowl it a few times
>no wincons, not enough synergy, I just plain don't have enough cards for the paradigm
this has been like four decks this week

> "Ohhh this budget commander deck for 100 dollars..."

But I don't WANT to play some budget commander deck, I want to play THIS deck I made. Why can't I have fun, /edhg/????

>>95947460
I'm afraid it's terminal.

Final fantasy prices keep rising

>>95947460

>>95947460
post decklist

Golbez, Urza, or RogSi for artifacts?

>>95947513
Golbez is stronger than RogSi but neither are stronger than Urza

>>95947412
>buying dragon shields

>>95947539
don't FUCKING tell me they're actually dogshit what the FUCK

>>95947547
maybe others would argue with me, but I find they shuffle like fucking garbage and tear really, REALLY easily.

>>95947554
fuck it whatever I already threw out the box I'll just use them until they tear and buy idk fucking ultra pros I guess

>>95947561
I took the ultimate guard pill and never looked back. They're not horribly smooth on the back, shuffle like a dream, and I haven't had to replace any of them thus far.

>>95947554
They don't tear easily and they shuffle fine once broken in (about 3 games)
Best sleeves on the market
If you want sleeves that break randomly during shuffles go ultra pro

>>95947504
It's Kaalia of the Vast. It just looks so fun to play but starting from scratch is hell.

>>95947566
That anon here: I never had a problem with ultra pros while I still played yugioh, but holy SHIT are standard ultra pros terrible.

I swear on Ultimate Guards.

>>95947563
mmmm they look good but I want more color variety

My store only carries dragon shield and game genic.
I think I'm one of like 4 people that use the game genic over Dragon Shield.

Why would anyone play UB?
>Blue has terrible removal
>Black has terrible removal
You get no board presence basically.
I understand hating UB is controversial but I've just always preferred GW or RW, even RG

95947695
great bait... NOT
HAW HAW HAW

>>95947554
I have never tore one even with them double sleeved and they shuffle fine

>>95947715
who?

>do nothing almost the entire game besides traumatize myself and then do very little else most of the game
>everyone just ignores me because I never seem to do much
>just randomly kill everyone out of nowhere
>this happens two games in a row
It is amazing how I just feel like I am durdling doing jack shit and then suddenly "lmao I win btw"

>>95947756
Post your list?

>>95947554
I have never torn a dragon shield sleeve in my life. You must be fat and retarded

>>95947761
https://moxfield.com/decks/ejlSJFdblkChfarxTBe5dw
I'll admit the second game was a win from no one able to deal with 32 zombie tokens from rise from the tides, rather than the Emperor.

>>95947770
NTA but I have. Granted, they were not new and as such had wear to them already. I've found katanas easier to split but still prefer them.

>>95945310
Feldon of the Third Path. Graveyard token aggro + purphoros, impact tremors, etc. On demand etb effects.

>>95947756
>>95947780
where are your pay 3 life izzet instant/sorcery mdfcs?

>>95947799
No clue what those are.

>>95945310
Krenko
Or pick from one of the following:
Feldon
Jaxis
Rionya
Delina
Orthion

>>95945310
THE TITANIC

>>95947810
lands that can count as instants/sorceries in the graveyard

>>95947816
Couldn't find them on scryfall so didn't bother.

>>95947823
>doesn't know the is: function

>>95947840
Sure. Feel free to search for me.

Does anyone have a decklist with Terra that's actually good/strong enough to win games? I've been seeing the lists people on youtube and such have assembled but most seem very lackluster and not much of a gameplan outside of "hope my board doesn't get wiped."

I can get that she's not inherently strong like Kaalia of the Vast, but she's gotta have something right?

>>95947870
>got salty because he doesn't know
nah i'll just let you simmer now in your ignorance LMAO bye

>>95947872
>she's gotta have something right?
terra is the cutest mardu commander

>>95947891
thats why Im trying to hard to make her work but I haven't gotten close to winning in games with friends or strangers

>>95947902
for comparison squall can't fly but he can have double strike, you don't have to pay for his ability, and you can get 2 permanents not just creatures
if you really want to go mardu celes is the more powerful one but if it has to be terra then it has to be valuetown bracket 2 gaming, and yes you have to hope to not get wiped too much

>opponent running mono B Sephiroth
>it is the most unfun edict-tribal deck ever
It never even won but it was miserable as shit.

>>95947872
Sadly, she’s absolutely dogshit. Too many factors in making her do anything
2 random cards is too little to matter
Flying is barely evasive nowadays
Needs to deal combat damage
Needs open mana
Needs creature in grave
Said creature needs to be power 3 or less

You basically have to perform an eldritch ritual to get ONE creature back. It’s not worth it. There a reason she sells for 50 bucks and every other deck is over 100

>>95947917
>>95947942

>>95947815
THERMO

NUCLEAR

WARHEAD

>>95948000
BYOB
(Bring your own boat)

The only thing I hate more than niggers is UB, and I really hate niggers

I love this nigga so much

>>95948055
I've wanted to build him and so many other planeswalkers but my pod is straight up psychotic when it comes to walkers, commanders or not. No matter what the boardstate is they send all attackers to any and all walkers out and ignore everything else. It's the worst case of "wearing blinders"/tunnel vision in our games, I hate it so much

What's your favorite Cid art? I don't play FF so I don't know which game this is from but I like this one.
https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=released&q=%21%22Cid%2C+Timeless+Artificer%22+include%3Aextras&unique=prints

Are there any infinite combos in Rakdos I can pull off with this thing? I know they must exist but im too retarded to figure it out.

>>95947813
You forgot the GOAT

>>95948082
That's too bad. I understand why so many people hate walkers and walker commanders but there are some really cool ones that enable some fun decks. Pic related being a prime example of that.

>>95948082
pws are always easy targets due to having 3 opponents
that's why my superfriends has 7 boardwipes, 9 if you include ones that kill dorks like pyroclasm, not counting recurring spells from the grave

Grim. There needs to be way more cards printed with these effects

>>95948121
vincent, vengeful atoner
>you have to pump him tho

>>95948131
Oh huh he wasn't tagged yet. But I'm speaking more about support cards like Kediss. I wanna put them in a lot of my decks, particularly the voltron ones, to close out games easier/faster

>>95948101
If I cast Bonus Round, can I loop this infinitely by targeting itself in exile with the copy created by bonus round? Does it work with reiterate loops to create infinite storm count if I have the mana?

>>95947872
Surprising amount of bombs are 3 power or less id do some looking on scryfall if you want to do it. Don't listen to the other guy hes dumb she's not oppressive but there's a lot you can do

>>95948082
Attacking Planeswalkers is always the correct choice

>>95948149
I have hydra in my Gargos (not tribal) deck and it definitely does work. Helps that the deck is about pump spells so it can randomly do 20+ to everyone but I like these cards. I also had a Yoshi + Kediss deck for a long time, still have kind of its maybe 90/100 cards

>>95948082
They're easy targets for players who want to attack but don't want to knock someone out of the game quickly, you know the type.

>>95948170
help me figure out a list, anon, I'm retarded and have to netdeck but I've been trying different stuff from what the youtubers have recommended trying to get something explosive to work

Is tappedout good for determining deck tier?

>>95948267
fuck no

Cant wait to build Toph, she's been high on my waifu list forever.

>>95948271
Toph is a child

>>95948282
Toph is a drawing* dumbass.

>>95948282
maybe he meant granny Toph from Korra.

>>95948288
Nope, Korra is huge cringe
>>95948287
This

>>95948287
>>95948290
The pedophiles fear the ethical gooners

>>95948295
Based

>>95948082
Always attack the walkers.
Honestly, the best two walker decks I've seen are a Marisi and a Pramikon since you can limit how many times they're attacked.

>>95948295
>ethical gooners
most reddit term I've ever read

>>95948417
>reddit is so important!
reddit post

>>95948419
what?

>>95948420
No one cares about reddit except people from reddit. No one goes running around going "UGH THAT REMINDS ME OF REDDIT! I BET REDDIT LIKES THIS! WHAT A REDDIT TERM!" besides people from reddit. It ain't 2013 grandpa

>>95948424
you seem to know a lot about reddit for someone who doesn't care about it

Sup /edhg/, I'm Jet. You may not know who I am now but in 5 months my card will be running your format, so get used to seeing me.

>>95948462
This series does not have enough content for a set.

I'm going to take apart my Chatterfang deck and build a Jaheira / Agent deck. Thoughts?

>>95948475
Especially if they're only doing the original series and not the second one, as some people claim. But they can go the FF route and have three different cards for every named character.

My main concern is I can already tell I am going to hate the art style of this set

>>95948521
there will be at least 6 Aang's

>>95948521
>Avatar set with none of the Korra characters
Wow that's so gay what's the fucking point? Set is going to be chalk full of the most literal whos ever recorded in a single UB set if that's really the case.

Is mutate sagas a meme or a dream?

>>95948551
I hope korra doesn't get any cards not because I hate every character in the show (I do), but because korrafags deserve the reminder that their show is dogshit

>>95944448
MAGA???

>>95944448
HOLY BASED

>>95946095
that's the same

>>95948551
_ ____ __ ____ _____ _____

>>95948570
Dream
I'm also trying to figure out how it works

>>95948551
>chalk full

I have too many decks, i never have time to play with all of them.

>>95948223
NTA, but for a wider pool of net decks you should check out what people use when running pic related and both forms of Alesha (Who Smiles at Death/Who Laughs at Fate). All three of these are better versions of your waifu in the same colors (with Old Lady Alesha only lacking white) with very similar game plans, and have been around a lot longer for people to "solve" them. Look at what people are using to fill their graves with good shit to bring back and what creatures they're running. Here are some surface level tips, but keep in mind I'm a shitter who didn't know a thing about magic 2 months ago:
>With Altair I run surveill lands for a chance of passive graveyard fuel. Look for other cards that let you do big Surveills, pitch away some creatures and rearrange the rest of your topdeck to suit your needs in the moment. I use Desmond Miles for this with Altair but it's much less effective in a deck that isn't an Assassin tribal.
>Buried Alive and Lively Dirge allow you to tutor specific cards to your graveyard
>Ripples of Undeath is excellent passive self-mill, especially if you can get it in play ASAP.
>Since the creatures you're running are coming in tapped, try to at least look for valid power 3s with good ETB effects so they're doing something when they come in. Cycling Accursed Marauder/Plaguecrafter/Fleshbag Marauder in and out of the graveyard helps clear up the board and you can sac them to their own effects so you keep your better creatures up. Cycling ETB discard shitters like Kroxa works similarly
>Have plenty of protection for your commander as people will get really fucking sick of you bringing in discarders/suicide bombers from the yard. Use various types. Boots and Greaves are fine, but if you can fit in blink or phase effects like Haystack/Robe of Stars, you can also dodge board wipes and edicts.

>>95949110
forgot pic

>>95944535
I played against it one time on Arena and it was incredibly annoying. If you don't have removal as soon as it drops, it will get tons of value. Just below original Narset in terms of obnoxious free spells on attacks.

>>95949058
same that's why I take them apart every week

>have always exclusively played Magic on a digital tabletop where it's convenient to track counters and I can constantly check other players' card effects, graveyards, etc. by just passively mousing over things on anyone's turn
>online play group is falling apart and I might have to check out in-person LGS with strangers if I want to get my commander fix
Maybe it's silly, but I'm worried that the inherent qualities of physical magic (not having a bird's eye view of the whole board and instant access to the text of every card in play or in a yard), including just the slog of shuffling a library with dozens of cards many times throughout the course of the game, is going to make it unfun. Is it as bad as it sounds, or should I just suck it up and trust people to resolve their own boards correctly?

https://coomer.su/fansly/user/373278686784266240/post/793348915393998848
average ff tourist

>>95949155
You should quit

I'm going to bed, /edhg/ but I just want you to know I love you guys. Even the schizos and the tripfags, I appreciate all of you (except coomette, buy a fucking ad)

>>95949293
You too anon <3

>>95949155
Do it fgt, it builds character.
But in all seriousness, only the heaviest of autists has the entire boardstate in his head at all times. Just keep the most important pieces in mind and you'll be fine.

>>95949155
If you're worried about access to the board information, just politely ask your opponent to take a look at their graveyard or politely ask someone to read a card that they played that you're unfamiliar with. This is a common courtesy and you should have access to all of that information but don't go grabbing other people's cards
>trust people to resolve their own boards correctly?
I get that the game is complicated but ultimately yes you do have to trust the people can resolve the state of the game correctly, and it's going to make you a better player if you can understand how to do so as well
>including just the slog of shuffling a library with dozens of cards many times throughout the course of the game,
This isn't as bad as it sounds because keep in mind this is ultimately a social experience, it's not like everyone just sits there quietly while one dude is shuffling and a lot of the time you can shortcut these actions as long as there's trust

>>95949110
terra herald of hope is overall better than alesha simply because the former at least mills you making it easier to recur things
with that said terra has the same issues alesha and co. have, in that while any deck can jam an infinite combo that doesn't change the fact that these mardu commanders are primarily creature based value engines and are thus susceptible to boardwipes

>>95949528
The entire game outside of instant, game winning combos is susceptible to board wipes and Terra has white (and black) thankfully.

>>95949549
you're far less susceptible to wipes if your permanents win on the same turn you play them

>>95949528
They just do different things. Alesha Who Smiles can only bring back 2 power or lower creatures for a slightly more restrictive price than Terra since she's W/B symbol dependent, but they come in attacking. Alesha Who Laughs has a much wider range of creatures she can bring back depending on her own power, and brings them in for free and untapped, but at end step so they can't participate in combat immediately and might miss triggers that need to happen earlier.
Personally it feels bad to have my revived creature, that I paid for, need to wait a full cycle to do anything in my dedicated resurrection deck.

>>95948462
>>95948475
There's gonna be 5 different cards of each "main characters" with 10 different treatments each. There is plenty of content.

>>95949596
Terra is superior simply by not being a tranny

>>95949597
This is why UB should stick to big franchises and not smaller IPs.

>>95949597
Also it's not that bad to build a set with only like 15 legends, even if FF made the term pretty much worthless.

>>95949610
I could've used more than one version of Katarinya Greyfax. The 40k Empire deck was so unfocused. I just wanted a deck with main focus on the imperial guard instead of every part of the empire of man.

>no I want MORE legendary bloat!
What the fuck is wrong with you people? 20 legends per set used to be excessive.

>>95949596
ofc the others have their own perks but terra is still overall superior because she mills you, please don't tell me you think going into the red zone against 3 opponents with value creatures is a viable plan to victory outside of things like unstoppable slasher

>>95949528
>primarily creature based value engines and are thus susceptible to boardwipes
literally every deck is "susceptible to boardwipes" lmao

>>95949660
>do nothing but ramp to 9 lands
>cast tooth and nail for mike trike combo
>wow so suspectible to wipes

>>95949605
I too refuse to play any cards that depict troons

>>95949685
Oh, I don't include combo as "real magic" because it's simply a gateway to cedh

>>95949605
>caring about loreslop

>>95949686

>>95949700
>yet another zoomer got caught using literally incorrect again

>>95949642
That ship sailed way back in Return to Dominaria or whatever that set was called.

>>95949724
autists happen to be easily propagandized by the sloppiest of tranny slop and i care about the disabled

>>95948101
Asking this again

>>95949809
run past in flames instead

>>95949825
I already run that, and also recoup and will of the jeskai

>>95949830
Mystic Retrieval might be the missing piece. if you can pitch from your hand somehow (birgi/horn?), you can even end up mana neutral, assuming you already have reduction/mana on cast to make Schemes neutral.

>>95949830
if you know how to combo off with recoup you know how to (inefficiently) combo with a four mana recoup

>>95947261
It is done
https://archidekt.com/decks/14048916/golbez_artifacts

>>95946419
That is not the definition of ambition. It is a desire to achieve something. Power can be the desired achievement, but it's far from the only one. Wanting to be a great artist, or a master of a craft, or a scientist who cures a disease believed to be incurable, or an explorer who discovers something completely unknown, are all ambitious things completely unrelated to power.

>>95945266
They don't captain gamer word is just boring

>>95950108
I love this deck

You DO include every spell that features your Commander in the artwork or flavor text just for the aesthetics, right?

>>95950270
No, that would require me putting planeswalkers in my deck and i refuse to deal with that trash

This guy turns sideways into your direction.
What's attacking you?

>>95950323
I'd be able to tell you if the image was more than 4 pixels.

>>95946419

>>95950358
straight from spelltable. no extra compression or anything.

>>95950366
Alright well it's Yoshimaru Ever Faithful with 12 +1/+1s, flying and lifelink. But if this is from a game you played online why didn't you just ask?

>>95950375
I never implied not knowing who that is. I wanted to make a point that proxies and secret lairs a shit. OG artwork only so you and your opponents can instantly recognize the card being played.

>>95950323
Yoshimaru, either 12/12 or 13/13 with flying and lifelink

>>95950396
>I wanted to make a point that proxies and secret lairs a shit. OG artwork only
Buddy, it's literally a full art Neon Dynasty card. It's not even a Secret Lair, let alone a proxy.

>>95950420
...

>>95950430
It's okay, if you still want to argue about something you can correct me and say it's a borderless card instead of full art, call me a retard to really give it some weight.

>>95950396
If I take off my glasses, I can't see what's attacking anymore, yes. Great insight.
All the different artworks and proxies are a bit annoying, but only just that. I'll survive.

>>95950445
I think there's something to be said against the movie poster Secret Lairs and shit. They're completely unreadable even if you pick it up and try to read it.

>>95950441

>>95950270
That makes very little sense

>>95950454
I think they look like absolute shit personally and I've never met someone who actually uses them. I only see them trying to be shilled by collectors

>>95950536
>I only see them trying to be shilled by collectors
yes that is exactly their purpose, as collection bait
they are awful to the eyes as game pieces so really all their use is to be sold to people with questionable aesthetic tastes

>>95950270
You can't even do that if you had all the cards because of the colors

>Table sees izzet commandee and tries to hard focus them even when they clearly have jackshit because it's 3 cards in hand and passed with no game actions or board presence
What is it about this color combo that utterly mindbreaks bad players? I'm watching this unfold as a Kefka is literally raping the table and the azorius player in their infinite wisdom kills the izzet player's commander instead of Kefka.

>>95947872
>I've been seeing the lists people on youtube and such have assembled but most seem very lackluster and not much of a gameplan outside of "hope my board doesn't get wiped."
Man, her color combo has so many ways to make getting wiped irrelevant, and you get to reanimate half of them with your commander.
Yes, in a lot of ways her gameplan is more "Fair" than other similar gameplans, but you can still work it well. You don't fucking care if you get wrathed because your board will built itself back up the fastest even if you don't just perpetually have boromir, selfless spirit etc up.

>>95950658
Izzet is solidly the color combination of "I'm not doing anything...oops you are all dead." There is solidly a chance that if you leave them alone they will just suddenly combo off and win even with basically nothing on the board, so you are encouraged to deal with them first.

>>95948090
It's says which game it is on each card. Bottom left above the artist's name.
This is from ff5.

>>95948475
I don't care about doctor who or the other bad UB sets, but something about avatar is so boring and lame that I hate it

>Esper Control Deck
>Full of generic value engines but slow on wincons (winning around turn 7-9 usually) with no infinites
Sounds like a bracket three instead of bracket four right? Technically it is bracket four because the amount of game changers but I could just swap them out since I don't think this deck would hold up at all at a real bracket four table.

>>95950727
>puts GCs
>refuses to put in an infinite combo

>>95950746
Yeah? I don't like infinites

>>95950752
if you value winning less to the point that you're not running infinites then you might as well temper your love of efficient tutors and fast mana and go down to bracket 2

>>95950766
I don't care if others use infinites lategame like how bracket 3 is stated, I just personally don't want to win that way.

>>95950780
i'm not forcing you to run infinites now that you've basically said you don't want to on principle i'm just saying that if you're going to gimp yourself then either hang around at bracket 2 where you'll have a better chance of winning or be a fish at bracket 4/5, either way i won't refuse bracket 2 gaming or a fish at the poker table that's asking for it

>>95949155
Just go to the LGS pussy. 95% of the LGS horror storys told here are BS. Paper magic is a much better experience

>>95950798
>every bracket 3 deck has infinites
Well done showing how dumb you are

>>95950826
not only did i not say that every bracket 3 out there runs an infinite i actually like it that way, makes me win more against fish

>>95950833
>edh is only about winning and everyone who doesn't have infinites always loses
Embarrassing, kill yourself.

>>95950798
That makes sense but Bracket 3 seems like the sweet spot right? I don't mind playing lower power games and have an unchanged precon just for that but bracket 3 by WOTCs definition is only supposed to have infinites turn 7+ so a deck without those could certainly hold their own at bracket 3 I think

>>95950840
>some weird kid wants to play with their meme deck and wants people to witness it
>i grant them my eyeballs, say my ooohs and aahs, and i win against them
if i win 4 out of 5 games for the night and they are over the moon winnning 1 with their meme deck then that becomes the fairest transaction in the world buddy boy, sorry you're too socially stunted to realize this

>>95950843
slotting an infinite in a deck is elementary, winning a game here and there using a deck w/o an infinite doesn't change the fact that doing so is intentionally gimping yourself
with that said i wish gavin would put his foot down and say "no infinites/near infinites before turn 7" so that we can be rid of any ambiguity

>>95950918
My group just doesn't play with any infinites because combo is against the spirit of the game

>>95950918
>i wish gavin would put his foot down and say "no infinites/near infinites before turn 7"
nta, but on the other hand I wish Gavin would put his foot down and ban infinites in anything under b4. I think they're the stupidest bullshit in the game. "I play this card and okay game's over" fuck that garbage

>>95950323
is he attacking everyone else too?

>>95950941
>>95950943
man you guys hate izzet that much huh

>>95950843
I find Bracket 3 to be way too broad of a classification. You can have decks within the same bracket with a massive power gap between them even before getting into the person piloting them.

>>95950955
wow it's like the modern deck i didn't touch since 2017 can't hang with 2025 boros energy, who knew two decks legal in the same bracket/format could have disparate power levels

>>95950954
No, I dislike infinite combos no matter the color. Like I said, playing a card and immediately saying "okay I win" is cheap as hell. The cards like pic rel I'm fine with because you actually have to work towards their conditions, but just slapping a card down and ending the game? No thanks, senpai

>>95950996
Based I would play with you

>>95950996
>i find this [game mechanic] to be cheap as hell
yeah i find command grabs to be cheap as hell too, i do wonder why the smash community is rolling their eyes at me though

>>95950688
That's literally just a self-report of being shit at the game if you can't assess an izzet player's resources based on how many cards they have and have seen. Kefka is handlooping everyone right that very second and this dumbass thinks the izzet player with jackshit in-hand is going to do anything when every single play he made the entire game has been a shitty standalone burn spell which have collectively done less damage than Kefka hitting face. There is someone that has 7 cards in his hand and is actively taking cards out of everyone else's. Do something about that you fucking ape instead of making a play based around a hypothetical combo they obviously don't have.

>>95950658
Because Izzet can bullshit wins out of nowhere from several 2 card combos and every mtg player with any experience knows this.

>>95951079
>self-report
Zoomer words

>>95951079
>Do something about that you fucking ape
Why don't you do something about it instead of relying on others to solve your problems for you? Get good, noob.

>>95951079
>Kefka is handlooping everyone right that very second and this dumbass thinks the izzet player with jackshit in-hand
You don't know what the izzet player has in hand and if Kafka is drawing them in to more gas with wheel loop, the izzet player is even more dangerous.

Izzet is bad because blue has no removal

>>95951091
An experienced player knows how likely they are to have it based on how much card selection they've accessed that game. It's midwit thinking to go "izzet only needs two cards to win. I must ALWAYS play like they're going to win next turn."
Spoiler: The Kefka won.
>>95951099
Yeah sorry my two removal spells and 2 stifles weren't enough when the first point of potentially game-changing interaction not played by the Kefka was wasted by a dumbass that thinks izzet is scarier than the thing keeping him hellbent.

>>95951117
but why remove anything when you can just win the game?

>>95951117
That's why you ask the Naya player if all your spells resolve first, right?

>>95951122
You just sound bitter that you suck at tge game. Why couldn't YOU stop Kefka? Get good, stop relying on others and get better at threat assessments.

>>95951109
>Well actually if the Kefka wheels everyone-
That's not what was happening.
This player had 3 cards in his hand and did not access a single piece of card advantage the entire game.
The Kefka was aiming to make the table hellbent.
A four year-old could have realized the izzet player didn't have shit by simply counting how many cards each player had.

>>95951137
Yeah sorry fuck me for only getting 80% of the way there expecting someone could do the bare fucking minimum instead of outing himself as being mindraped by an entire color combo.

>>95950954
Infinites just feel cheap, I like the idea of using a some combo to copy seething song to make 80 something mana and casting a huge ass fireball but just storming infinite grapeshots doesn't feel as cool.

>Tell izzet player to take out all his infinites
>Now I can complain he's taking needlessly long turns because he can't shortcut his win condition since it's based around resolving a terrible card that requires massive setup to be a wincon
DEVILISH

>>95950403
>either
Buddy of mine does this retarded faggotry. The dice represents counters. The dice should not be used to represent current total p/t. It's absolutely wild to me that some "people" use the dice to represent total p/t

>>95950996
*Plays Craterhoof Behemoth and swings at you for 400 while City of Solitude locks all your responses*
Ahh... finally honest Magic with no "I win" cards.

>>95951184
It seems to be more popular with new players who apparently think they can keep track of it. Thankfully many can be corrected.
I've actually seen something even worse: Someone used dice to represent the difference to the base loyalty on planeswalkers. So a 1 on Oko can either be 3 or 5 loyalty. I swear to god, this game sometimes makes me wonder how people's brains work.

>>95951209
I sincerely wonder how many of them can answer the breakfast question

>>95951217
Half of /edhg/ can't answer the breakfast question based on their responses to mill and izzet.

>>95951194
Yes? That's a legitimate, viable strategy. This is not the "gotcha!" moment you think it is.

Honestly winning is kind of cringe desu

>>95951194
See, you can't complain because I won by sideways tappy of creatures and not just lands

>>95951230
So is using Brass's Bounty with Reiterate to produce infinite mana for a dogshit burn spell yet you'll bitch about that one.

>>95951184
>The dice should not be used to represent current total p/t. It's absolutely wild to me that some "people" use the dice to represent total p/t
Definitely a niche situation, but: You have 18 cards in hand. How do you represent Maro's P/T if not a d20 set to 18?

since when is there a 5 minute timer to make a new thread

>>95951252
That's different and I would be ok with it because it does actually represent the total p/t that changes frequently. Counters should still be represented separately if they were put on maro though.

>>95951247
No

>>95951209
>I've actually seen something even worse: Someone used dice to represent the difference to the base loyalty on planeswalkers.
holy fuck do we know the same person?? This cannot be a widespread thing, it's too insane. Red dice means it's negative loyalty compared to the card, white dice for when it's positive loyalty compared to the card. And no matter how much the rest of us bitch about it nothing ever changes

>>95951265
New device

>>95951267
Ah, then fully agreed. There's those +1/+1 dice on Amazon for like $8. Everyone should pick up a pack of them, it makes these things too easy to solve

>>95951271
THE FUCK YOU MEAN "NO"?

>>95951158
It sounds like you weren't trying to win, you spent all your time and resources hindering other players instead of advancing your own chance to win. Get good, noob.

>>95951274
I don't think he even used different dice, but it's been a while since I've played against him using planeswalkers. Or at all for better or worse.

>>95951311
>>95951311

>>95951247
Craterhoof + wide board is a combo btw. No more or less legitimate than twinflame or phyrexian altar or any other combo piece

>>95951148
What if the izzet player had dualcaster and twinflame in hand and was waiting for a window to combo out? How would you ever know?

>>95951321
No

>>95951358
Incorrect