>DO NOT WASTE YOUR TEARS. I WAS NOT BORN TO WATCH THE STARS GROW DIM. LIFE IS NOT MEASURED IN YEARS, BUT BY THE DEEDS OF MEN.
How come OG 40k was so kino? The appeal to the masculine desire for heroism and self sacrifice is completely absent in modern Warhammer.

>>95943580 (OP)
>The appeal to the masculine desire for heroism and self sacrifice

Rogue Trader? Are you actually a spaz?

>>95943580 (OP)
Because appealing to retarded normies in profitable. This literally happens to everything that goes mainstream for profits. Businesses exist to make money, not art.

>>95943605
One of the scenario prompts in RT was the Doctor appearing in TARDIS to some imperial world and causing a mess you needed to solve.

>>95943659
>Businesses exist to make money, not art.
You can do both. They are not mutually exclusive

>>95943659
I hate how right you are.

>>95943580 (OP)
If you want 40k to improve and return back to its roots, you have to start killing 10th edition players. It's their fault for turning 40k into primarch-ridden capeshit through years of spazzing out over primarchs online. Blame Alfabusa, too. Kill him. Make sure he suffers.

>>95943580 (OP)
Be it was exclusive for a certain taste and people back then(bouncer deciding who gets in club or not) now its inclusive for everyone (Disneyland theme park).

make out of it what you want.

>>95943605
Many literally me's in this image.

>>95943580 (OP)
It used to be a funny joke, which allowed the people making it to be significantly smarter.
Now people take it seriously, which means you have to bring in giant idiots to write it, because nobody else would take it seriously.

>>95943580 (OP)
Because then you were entering an unforgiving universe so vast that 'you' were fighting in it, while today the unforgiving universe is seen in a distant, sterile way, with so much grey tone pushed all over the Imperium's action.
They are no longer seen as desperate attempts to push back the darkness, but at gross imocmpetence and uncaringness, almost to comical levels. The fact that the powers that are do what they do could be such, but in the vast majority of cases, it is because it is the only choice at the moment.
Again, the lack of religious knowledge in the new authors makes it quite hard to get the same feel as the idea to be subservent to a higher being or power is seens as a negative nowadays.
Ignorance of the setting itself is also another factor, if you only have a couple of novels and memes and never reading any of the TT books, you're not getting far into what's what.

>>95945843
The Aryan sensitivity team will hear of this.

>>95945843
See?
You only get idiots like this in modern warhammer, and they can't write for shit.

>>95945843
You fucking retard, PRIMARCHS and pushing the timeline forward, combined with a focus on retarded special character slapfights is what has ruined 40k. It has become capeshit. Bolter porn was a sign of things to come, and we failed to push back against it hard enough. Now 40k is marvelhammer, which is enough to entertain NPCs like you because you want cheap dopamine hits, as evidenced by the fact that your biggest criticism is "oh dey don' make da setting tradcath enuff." You're a capeshit loving retard. You are a normie.

If you want 40k to be good again, get rid of the focus on special characters and put them back into the background instead of having them in the foreground.

>>95945921
If we want 40k to be interesting at all, we have to basically kill the entire fanbase, and start over.
These people took judge dredd spliced with dune and that one fuckin' comic I can't remember the name of about the alien warlock, and were like "Ah, look at their comically large frowns, they must be VERY serious"

>>95945933
Yes. Millions must die for 40k to be good again.

>>95945943
Ah yes, an unhappy face, you must be VERY serious about this.

>>95945953
40k must become unserious. In order to make it unserious, the fandom must be killed. This requires being serious.

>>95943580 (OP)
>The appeal to the masculine desire for heroism and self sacrifice is completely absent in modern Warhammer.

>>95945921
Actually, I don't play 40k since 7th. I went over to Fantasy, and I don't mean AoS.

>>95945700
In an ideal world

>>95945793
>you have to start killing 10th edition players
>Not "anyone who played past 7th"

>>95945843
>at gross imocmpetence and uncaringness, almost to comical levels.
That's literally been there from the beginning...

>>95945978
Interesting thesis, but I MOG you

>>95946066
man, you newfags don't even know how to take a picture of yourself.
Shoe on head, retard.

>>95946066
Curb your exhibitionism.

>>95946066
Gay ass turkey neck haver.

>>95946066
Time stamp pleas? I want this to be real and not some selfie you stole off google and ms painted black over the face.

>>95945852
Old warhammer 40k campains and in gneral teh vibe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otuRpsrDN9I
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tM9SoJ-MpU

Athematic, grounded in reality and with alot of suspense of disbelieve to make feel right.

Nu 40K themepark bullshit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lrVysHY-to

its a parody but it hits so close to what GW was putting out the last years it hurts.

>>95946199
Man, you're not even a secondary, you're a tertiary.

>>95946217
man your not even people. So you have no say at all.

Anyone who looked at it across its lifespan as anything but a saturday morning cartoon, where the writers were dissociating over how many ways they could make fun of then-modern British life and the censor was asleep, was deluding themselves.
Beast Wars had some dope lines in it but the main characters were still gorilla and tyrannosaurus robots, it's still a cartoon.

Rogue Trader was mostly 60s-80s scifi stuff the creators liked stapled onto Warhammer.
2000 AD comics, Dune, Alien/Aliens...etc...
Then the Heresy was just Paradise Lost.

So you have "Fans pulling together ideas and settings they liked and mashing them together so they could play tabletop games with a similar flavour" vs corporation trying to emulate bigger IP holders to break into the mainstream regardless of it's own history, inspiration and previous fanbase.

>>95943580 (OP)
>The appeal to the masculine desire for heroism and self sacrifice is completely absent in modern Warhammer.
That's not a masculine desire, or else we would see men volunteering to go to war

>>95946321
You can fantasize about something and know better than to do it. Women fantasize about rape all the time but they don't put on their little black dress and prance around the ghetto.

Natural cycle of franchise media

Stage 1 - Created by people with The Spark, and therefore says something. May have a commercial purpose, but is the monetization of Art in order to fund more Art. If it is good, it will develop a fanbase of people with The Spark who appreciate it. This is the initial success stage.

Stage 2 - More people with light behind their eyes begin to contribute and the franchise develops positively for a while, but if succesful, control will inevitably shift to the financial interests, the setting will become more and more seperated from the creative energies that caused it to become succesful in the first place. This is the monetizing good will stage.

Stage 3 - Eventually the settting becomes purely commercial, and all original contributers are pushed out or leave. At this stage it becomes impossible to recruit any new artists with the spark of god, because no one with the fire of creation in their breast can survive for long in such an enviorment. At best you might get some tasteful homages to stage 1 material. You are now monetizing memories and momentum alone, all fans are now bug people who like it becuase it's popular or old people who refuse to grow up and accept it's shit now.

>>95946321
Men volunteer to go to war all the time if they feel like they are a part of a real community and their fight is neccesary or just. That's just incredibly rare in technological democracies.

>>95946199
You're right in that Imperial Armour mogs modern 40k, but Janovich deserves to die for popularizing krieg memes that mischaracterize them. He also likes primarchs. He has to die.

>>95946388
Stage 4: True fans with the Spark start killing nufan bug people en masse as well as the new IP holders, returning it to stage 1. Safeguards are put into place to prevent the franchise from ever returning to stage 3.

>>95946455
>True fans with the Spark start killing nufan bug people en masse as well as the new IP holders
Not only do I doubt you lack the Spark in the first place, I question your mental capacity to operate a weapon.

>>95946455
People with the spark of god move on or enjoy the old media from when it was good, things have their time and then it is over. Wanting things to last forever as unfailing instituions is childish, there is not a single property that escapes enshitification if treated like a franchise. The best you can hope for it it will inspire a crop of new nice things that will have a period of vibrancy themselves.

>>95946468
>I MUST DEFEND NU40K!!! I LOVE PRIMARCHS!!!

You are truly pathetic. May the spirit of Alan Bligh haunt your dreams.

>>95946490
>The best you can hope for it it will inspire a crop of new nice things that will have a period of vibrancy themselves.
Indeed.
>>95946491
Can spam all the basedjaks he wants, the truth is he never had the creativity to do his own thing to begin with.

>>95946490
No one has tried killing a fanbase and taking over a company by force in order to return something to glory. It hasn't been attempted yet. It can work.

>>95946518
>It can work.
No it won't, because you will be wanted for mass killing AND theft!

>>95946535
>kill execs
>take over company

how is that theft?

>>95943580 (OP)

DRUZ PROTECTS.

>>95943580 (OP)
It was nobledark, grimdark developed later.

>>95946874
Are you fucking retarded?

>>95946900
Yes. Nobledark isn’t lacking for dark, but it still featured that glimmer of hope that pierces through it.

>>95946909
Yeah, you're fuckin retarded, returned loyalist primarchs do that more than ever. Go fuck yourself, nu40k slop lover.

>>95946909
Much hope, very noble.

>>95946397
>Men volunteer to go to war all the time
No. That's extremely rare
>if they feel like they are a part of a real community and their fight is neccesary or just
That's just brainwashing, which makes the "masculine desire" point moot

Noble Engineers of Mars.

>>95946977
>>95946988
Wow, nevermind, I had no idea oldhammer was this grimderp. I'm glad they changed it then, Guilliman is a perfect example of how a single great man can save civilization. Thank you for providing me perspective, anon, I will now buy five Primaris joytoys!!!

>>95945843
What the hell are you talking about? The Imperium was always a miserable, Kafkaesque dystopia. It's supposed to be the miserable, doomed WWI lions led by jackasses view of military life writ large.

>>95945921
okay but the characters in old stories became special characters because they write stories about them.

as soon as jon space marine no. 89 survives his story he's a "canon" part of the lore

redditors constantly name dropping RT is the most asinine thing that appeared in the hobby. Since RT was dead for decades and never talked about

>>95946285
>Beast Wars had some dope lines in it
Ay, that it did. Beast wars, Animorphs, Bionicles, Gargoyles. Blessed be thy names.

>>95946909
Yep, the player and his actions the story's center's around the hero's all bring that glimmer of hope in a dark fuckt up universe.

Are the voice of reason and balance in a universe of extremes.

The slow progress of stroy is only logical as it did from each edition, crying about primarchs returning is futile and reatrded. It was since all edtions hinted that the story will move on. That they will return.

Any one crying about that just demand stagnation and stand still.

What is fuckt up is the sanitation and cleaning up political correctness done by GW in the lore and universe to cater to normie fuck ups.

>>95947051
Holy ESL batman.

>>95947057
and?

>>95947069
ESL = opinion invalid. Stay on Indian websites.

>>95947103
I do not post on facebook, stop beging for adding you as friend. My opinion is the only of value as I am white and your the reason the setting goes to shit.

>>95947121
>I am white
>can't type English correctly


Uh huh. Okay pajeet

>>95947125
dont forget to dodge the train while you keep seething. Its summer after all the main hunting season for your kind.

>>95947137
okay streetshitter

>>95947039
all of you are fucking children.

>>95946581
>how is that theft?
You murdered them and took their company.

>>95945793
>Alfabusa

Thank you for calling this faggot out. I thought I was the only one who hated him for the irreparable harm he caused to the lore and the normie fans' perception of the setting.

>>95947532
Wrong. It would legitimately become his by right of conquest. Modern society may pretend like right of conquest doesn't exist anymore, but it is a fundamental truth that cannot be denied.

>>95947609
>Modern society may pretend like right of conquest doesn't exist anymore, but it is a fundamental truth that cannot be denied.
Most of the law disagrees.

>>95947609
I think the King's Bench might have something to say about that.

>>95945793
its funny you think 40k was ever not normie
its is the blendered liquid swill of settings
its fun with some chips and beer with the boys
you considering it some high watermark is what makes you a normie
you are not specieal
you do not stand out
your hobby does not stand out
the thing that hurts about reading your post isnt its inherent content or context or that i cant take your opinion or whatever else you will tell yourself.
its that you thought this was the underground.
if you think im full of shit consider that an asshole would have told you its sad you think this was special or important at all
stop being a bitch about the corporate culture bullshit and go hang out with your friends.

>>95948191
Warhammer wasn't normie. You wouldn't know that though, cos you're a shit eating zoomer who has no experience with Warhammer outside of Twitch unboxing reveals and capeshit novels

>>95945843
they where always comical
its a joke setting
its having fun with everything from everything
why dinosaurs
cool
why dune ships psykers forcefields ect
because its cool
why xenomorphs?
BECAUSE ITS COOL
why everything lowbrow from runequest?
because its... well mostly fucked up
but its PRETTY FUCKING METAL.
so repaint your buzz lightyear as a titan
nut up
and play some fucking warhammer instead of fighting off your self diagnosed depression with bouts of masturbation and the pills you stole from mom
you shouldnt feel betrayed because your crack dealer is using political jargon to peddle to college kids.
they dont decide the lore, yer gaming table does.
now nut the fuck up fa/tg/uy

>>95945978
lmao

>>95948202

>>95946003
>Not "anyone who played past 7th"
7th Ed Fantasy/5th Ed 40k.

>>95945793
The horus heresy novels did more damage to 40k than any other media. The heresy era should have stayed myth.

>>95945978
I look like this and say this

>>95948545
Fucking this, get the Primarchs out, let them stay dead relics of a bygone age of myth. Put the Custodes back in the Emperors palace doing fuck all. Primaris? Eh, I could take it or leave it personally, they're just Space Marines 2.0. Bring back Armor Value for vehicles.
Implement fucking alternative activations already holy fuck, I'm so fucking fed up of some games being essentially won or lost on the first turn by whoever wins the roll off, or, alternatively, everyone staying huddled up behind cover so much that the first turn looks utterly ridiculous.

>>95946988
I'm really glad people are still using those RT scans I touched up : ) I should post the mega again if more people want them, I have everything up to the 3rd Ed Codexes done now of old 40K artwork

>>95945793
Primarch wanking was worse than making Primaris different than regular Marines, I fucking hate bookfag secondaries

>>95947036
I HATE THE BOOKFAGS NO ONE CARES
OH WOW CAIPHUS CAIN EPIC STORY BRO I CANT WAIT TO TALK ABOUT A FUCKING FICTION BOOK WHILE PLAYING TABLETOP

>>95950622
Post it anon I love old 40k art thank you for your service

>>95943580 (OP)
The most underage post on /tg/ right now.

>>95943605
Where are the black people?

>>95946321
>>95946986
>>if that were true, men would volunteer to go to war
>they do
>>n- no I meant m- more men than that
If it's brainwashing, why aren't there as many women in the armies of history, or even today, as there are men?
Why did Ukraine send all its women away but ban men of conscription age from leaving?

>>95943580 (OP)
>when they hit you with the monke beam

>>95945957
Naw, GW would never go for killing their customers, it might effect sales.

>>95950622
Yes please. The roots should not be forgotten.

>>95951048
>nuttedbutshestillsuckin.jpg

>>95950771
>>95951515
I'll stick it in /grog/ later, I'm not at home at present.

>>95946455
This but unironically, inshallah

>>95946455
>>95951580
Grognarian Jihad

>>95951737
Grognardian*

>>95951746
fucking lol kek hueh ect

>>95945843
> to be subservent to a higher being or power is seens as a negative nowadays.
And isn’t?
What are you real life chaos worshipper?

>>95946988
I fucking love HR Giger Admech, what a cool illustration

>>95943605
Post more of bizzaro oldhammer art. This shit is amazing.

>>95946977
Wtf are those things they are leading into the fire?

>>95955542
Humans

>>95945700
A little of both is not mutually exclusive, but maximizing either absolutely is, and a publicly traded company will always lean towards maximum profits.

>>95955542
I recall someone previously said servitors.
It was an unused piece.

>>95943580 (OP)
I mean Warhammer has always been defeatist, nihilistic and woke.

>>95945843
What are you talking about, the Imperium has never been portrayed as more competent and heroic as they are now

>>95950774
I just turned 30 yesterday

>>95945700

Yeah but what's more profitable?

>Marvel slop and researching statistics on trends

Or

>Getting shit done and make something that has a soul

>>95945793
>Alfabusa
>MajorKill
>Adeptus Ridiculous
>Valrak
>And many more

There is a need for a new crash of the hobby and a new beginning, the slate must be clensed

>>95943580 (OP)

>How come OG 40K was so kino?

Because it wasn't aimed at elitist shills and retarded corpo-fags, it was just "what if Conan the Barvariam teamed up with Rambo against Skeletor on the Deathstar ?" crabked up to 11 pounds of coke and Black Sabbath, nothing that needed a deeper meaning than been cool with just some inside jokes and hints at popular british shit, simple as

If you want OG 40K back, get some pdf of 1st and/or 2nd edition, read through it and get shit done

>>95946909

Bro, I got what you mean, but you are saying it in the most retarded way possible and shows you have no idea what that wprd means

40K is the epitome of Grimdarkness and yes, that faint glittering light at the end of the dark is what will make tge dark hit harder, once is found out is just a meteor coming your way, doesn't mean by this that that is Nobledark

>>95963833
>Getting shit done and make something that has a soul
Unironically this one. Every single company that tried to maximize profits by appealing to "modern audiences" has lost millions and burned all their fan good-will. Even Normies are tired of Normie-slop in modern day.
On the other hand, niche indie projects are making money hand-over-fist right now.
Maybe this is the beginning of the end for our age centralized, big-budget media and a return to the 2000's era internet culture. One can only hope.

>>95964020

Nah, is just the end of the current cycle, Normie-Slop is gonna return, just with a new face and name

For the moment, however, the best would to just band togegher and have some fun making shit up and bring some of the stuff we like back to 0, when it was fun
Personaly, I had hopes for 40K, but contrary to retards and twitter fags, I ain't spending my energies to justify the decisions of a cometee on what can sell better and how to milk some greasy fan's titties, is worthless

>>95943605
He's completely right. You're posting pics of the mutants that were basically the bad guys you were meant to purge if you played the Imperium.

>>95963929
>Because it wasn't aimed at elitist shills and retarded corpo-fags, it was just "what if Conan the Barvariam teamed up with Rambo against Skeletor on the Deathstar ?" crabked up to 11 pounds of coke and Black Sabbath, nothing that needed a deeper meaning than been cool with just some inside jokes and hints at popular british shit, simple as
You are literally one of the only people who gets it

>>95957830
Aye, the picture as a whole piece was unused but parts of it were used.
Tony Hough drew it to show GW he "got the tone" they were wanting, they hired hired him.

I don't get the appeal of grimdark.

>>95945921
You know Primarchs will be the end of 40k because it'll devolve into "Nuh uh my action figure totaly pwns yours since it looks cooler than yours!"

>>95969371
That's what it already is though.

>>95969371

Anon, that's what both 40K and especially HH have been reduced to, difference is that GW will eventualy subvert which toy will win on who for milking books and whatever

>>95943685
Liar.

>>95970288
Because 40k is superserious and no way would bong writers in the 80's put in a Dr. Who reference.

>>95963850
Warhammer ''''lore''' tubers should all be executed.

>>95947575
>LE DIGGANOBBZ XD
>FOR I CATO SICARIUS! XD
>LE EBIN SHOVEL KRIEG
>FORTIFY SIEGE FORTIFY SIEGE
>KITTEN XDDDDD

>>95970448
Loretubers are not the problem, the problem is the gradual degeneration of the fanbase into strata that lacks the mental capacity and the curiosity to do their own research from pirated PDF's and instead relies on the doubly digested produce of grifting youtubers who got their material from open wikis.

>>95943580 (OP)
you want sacrifice?

Marry a single mom, raise her kids. THATS sacrifice.

>>95970524
Damn, savage burn on single moms.

>>95950842
All blacks are servitored 5s after birth. It's weird Lex Imperialis thing but tradition is sacred.

>>95945843
/thread

>>95950842
>>95946977

>>95952619
anon have you seen the pride parades?
I can't even post a picture without catching a rule 5 ban.