>established miniatures company uses AI slop

Yuck. Never going near them again

Duncan Rhodes too. Lazy fucker

>>95945065 (OP)
>>95945082
AI seems to be getting dangerously good.
Is Duncan Rhodes’ logo really AI?

>>95945274
>dangerously good
>good
Demoralize elsewhere Mossad, you have a bombing for Tel Aviv scheduled to be ignored by the Iron Dome at 5am

>>95945350
Anon I was being serious and I’m worse than a Jew. I’m a leaf.
If nobody said that Duncan’s sir Coates logo was AI I would have thought it was legitimate.

>>95945441
How can you not see it instantly?

>>95945579
I had laser eye surgery so maybe that something to do with it. I think I need to talk with the doctors about my vision not being improved enough but maybe saying that I can’t tell AI images from real ones is not a good talking point.
Am worried now.

>>95945579
I'm having trouble seeing the tells on Duncan's logo myself. The tank is easy because the letters are fucked on the side. Maybe don't be an obtuse bitch anon and help us out.

To me ai is the "made in china" sticker of today, I just assume anything that uses it, album cover, trpg book, whatever, is lazy dogshit

>>95945065 (OP)
What fucking tank is that meant to be? A Panzer IV T-34 IS-2 hybrid?

>>95945082
I usually go off of weird glow and fucked up hands and fingers. If the red shading and odd squiggle on the shield are only tells then I'm royally fucked.

>>95945065 (OP)
It's not the slop itself, it's how hilariously sloppy (heh) it is. They didn't even fix the painted slogan to be anything readable, not to mention actual details on the tank. Makes one wonder how lazy they would get with the minis if they could get away with it.

>>95945579
Not everyone is constantly neck-deep in AI like you, anon.

>>95945065 (OP)
Flames proved they were a shit company when they launched 4th and killed several dozen miniature kits from production and removed the rules for them from the game, dumbed down the rules and made them less historical and more retarded arcade shit, added command cards to get you to buy more shit, and instead of readding the missing historical options they went and added a ahitload of prototype fantasy garbage to the game like the Maus, and made it clear they have a very real vendetta against the soviets by passing off false history as fact to justify nerfs and then by doing probably the biggest round of nerfs to ever hit a faction in a miniature wargame ever to the point where even tournaments would commonly give them 10-20% more points just to compete with other nations.

>>95945065 (OP)
>got one if not the biggest names in wargaming writing the rules
>couldn't be arsed to pay someone to throw together a fucking cover
The crux of the matter is that all these people are boomer supremes, and boomers fucking love their ai-slop.

>>95945808
boomers lack the neuroplasticty to instantly recognize ai so it's like the first time they see it every time and it retains that novelty

>>95945869
Whatever you say to make yourself feel better, slopper.

>get caught stealing art and not paying royalties, promise you'll never do it again
>brand all future products with ai slop

pottery

>>95945959
Gsw are absolute scum

Most of their stuff is repackaged Temu stuff too

>>95945065 (OP)
If you actually bothered to look they are highlighting an event happening later this year, the event organisers made the poster not battlefront. But you wouldn’t care anyway since you’re a nogames looking to rage bait other anons…

Also not really the thread for it, but one of the UK's most social media savvy LGSs who are always doing big Warhammer pre-orders is run by a convicted paedophile.

Funny seeing the soiface "influencers" interacting with them when they get their latest box of plastic

>>95945985
Alchemist's Workshop yeah. It's definitely one of the things people in a position to be hurt by just ignore, because it's come up again and again and nobody ever makes a statement about it.

>>95945929
ESL or retarded?

>>95945350
>um ackshully if you want to escape from culutral marxist artists you're jewish!!
Shut up bitch

>>95946059
>grrrr drawing bad! I hate drawniggers!
You realize that these companies respecting their creatives so little that they'll slop up their miniature wargames means they won't think twice about selling you ai-generated miniatures, right?

>>95945065 (OP)
I couldn't give a shit if a wargame company uses AI artwork, aslong as the minis aren't GW pants on head retarded priced.

>>95946075
Don't bother with people that think memes are a argument

>>95945987
To be fair, if its the same as the one i remember it was like 20 years ago and he spent a good portion of that time in prison for it

Its one thing to object to the sentencing but its not like he chris-channed out of it, he did all the time he was sentenced to. Hes out now, he has to go to work somewhere, what good is achieved by treating him and everyone associated with him as persona non grata? It wont unmake him a pedophile or unmolest any kids, and it wont change how the courts sentence those cases in the future, and arguably just disconnects them from social pressures that would otherwise prevent reoffence. So what's the point beyond virtue signalling?

>>95945808
Seems to me like suits only see creative/technical fields as an arcane black box that converts money into marketable products; generative AI appeals to them because it's basically that but cheaper, and they don't recognize the flaws in its output because they've no actual experience in the work they're replacing with it.

>>95945065 (OP)
a nothingburger but still a headscratcher
they're the first of the GW refugee historical games and have stacks of illustrations to use, or could draw upon archival photos
there's really nothing to be gained from using some shit AI fake tank with gibberish text on the turret besides saving a few minutes of work and it's going to needlessly piss off treadheads and anti-AI people
just retards using AI as a toy once again

You know, for better or worse, anytime people debate AI shit I can't help thinking of Danny Devito's speech about buggy whips in Other People's Money.

>>95945738
Everything is wrong with it. It's a bunch of random details that have no purpose, such as tiny bits of orange in the red plumes and blue armor or the disconnected bits on the horizontal points of the shield's right star. It also fucks up lines in general with tiny wobbles in both curved and straight lines. And the text saying "PAINTING MASTERS" starts partway through to fade to grey at the bottom of the letters, then switches back, then switches again.

>>95946075
>drawniggers
kek

>>95947218
Of course, there's also the bizarre design chioces like the use of the darker blue on the fingers of the gauntlet despite being in line with the lighter blue sections, and the excessive amount of plates on the knight's armor, the orange surcoat that doesn't reach the shoulders and has no shading, or the plumes. The more I look at it the worse it gets.

>>95947134
>Danny Devito's speech about buggy whips in Other People's Money
I dunno man, vast amounts of shit is being scraped, more than can be checked over by all the indentured Pajeets big tech can afford. How long before AI starts cannibalising its own work and starts going backwards?

>>95945441
yeah ok Nigger whatever you say

>>95945350
BTFO, incredible comeback, great job anon

i'm not being sarcastic

>>95945065 (OP)
>established miniatures company are AIgods

based, just bought 5 more boxes of waffen-SS

>>95945274
>>95945441
Lots of people on here have racked up a bachelor's degree worth of hours staring at and identifying AI anon. Don't feel bad that you don't have the same expertise

>>95945441
>Leaf
Maid urself

>>95945966
Nothing wrong with temu stuff tho.

>>95947218
>>95947242

Actually he contacted 3 artists, they all bailed and ghosted after not delivering for weeks.

Better having AI slop than having to deal with "artists"

Want a "human-made" drawing? (He paid brushes that do more than half the work and 100% of the texturing)
>Spend hours finding the right artist.
>Spend hours gathering references.
>Wait a day for a reply — at best.
>Send 10+ images.
>Write a perfect, detailed description.
>Wait 3 days.
>Get a first draft — he didn’t listen (of course he didn’t).
>Request revision #1. Wait another day.
>Repeat 4 times.
>Then have the privilege to pay €450 for some basic artwork.

With AI?
Type a sentence.
3 seconds. Done.

You cannot imagine how worth it the SLOP is.

>>95945065 (OP)
>cost to get a professional logo made: as high as 2000 dollars or even more
>cost to gen 150 logos in an AI and touch up one slightly in paint.net: 0 dollars and 0 cents

No ketchup on my Whopper please, btw.

>>95948984
>cost to get a professional logo made: as high as 2000 dollars or even more

In 2004, probably, now ? Baseline is 5K

>>95945796
kek @ all the nerds who told me it was better than Warhammer.

>>95948984
>>95948998
Can't you just open GIMP/cracked Photoshop or something and make a logo by yourself in a couple of minutes, one hour tops?

>>95947314
>How long before AI starts cannibalising its own work and starts claiming humans unable to appreciate its deredeconstructionist meta-postmodern regurgitated 'art' are bigoted and guilty of antiAIst hate speech?
FTFY.

>>95948984
Thats the thing, its like the cake makers chargung 50 bucks becausenthey pit 8 sticks of butter in some diarrhea inducing sugar mass malding over Walmart sheetcakes costing only 12 bucks. Not everyone needs a professional artist, stop acting like health insurance companies.

>>95949098
You'd be surprised at how allergic people are ate watching 10 minutes of youtube tutorials to learn how to use a new program

>>95949098
Why bother when I can offload that on a digital slave?

>>95948984
>cost to gen 150 logos in an AI and touch up one slightly in paint.net: 0 dollars and 0 cents
OK then, since your time is literally worthless, you should do the entire thing for me for free.

>>95949204
All of the bad artists squeel, while the good once won't get replaced anyway. AI was the best thing that happened to the creative market.

>>95949098
Why? I can write a prompt in less time.

>>95949241
This, its like when fighting games gave people free combos. All the good players stayed in the top due to innate skill but a lot of the mediocre players started seething because they couldnt gatekeep bare minimum effort.

>>95948984
>>95948998
>>95949193
>>95949241
>>95949247

Indian hands typed these posts.

>>95946059
>"I KNOW CULTUWAL MAWXISM HUWW DUWWW!!!"
Marxists taught you. It was Marxists all along.

>>95949204
My time (and money) is better spent on what I enjoy and need than you, so...sorry, maybe try doordashing?

People who talk to LLMs, who use "generative" "AI", they do not carry the fire in their souls of a real human being. They are golems not blessed with the light of creation.

>>95948960
You avoid this by working with established artists who do it for a living. Chances are though, if you're satisfied with AI slop, you didn't need "art" in the first place.

>>95949300
Indian coders are the first to starve

>>95949336
Problem is, even a "craftsman" who is supposed to use Photoshop to create simples logo will often pretend to be an artist and charge accordingly. And it's exactly these types who deserve to get replaced by AI.

>>95949365
Honestly, yes. Why pay a shitjeet to make bad, uncomment, inefficient, possibly stolen code when you can have a computer do it for the cost of the electricity you'd be spending running it, anyway?

>>95949365
We can only hope.

>>95948998
This is an outright lie. Professional logos from non-AI artists can be bought for $200-500 USD.

>>95949653
Or for free from AI, and I can buy myself a nice pair of boots for the 500 and still probably have cash to take my mom out to a steak dinner.

>>95945065 (OP)
Inpainting is a standard feature of AIs now, so anyone who presents a completely rough gen absolutely deserves to be mocked to death.

>>95947314
>How long before AI starts cannibalising its own work and starts going backwards?
Anons claim they can always spot AI images but then think AI won't be able to do the same.

>>95949969
AI doesn't have fucking eyes.

>>95949979
So how can it spot stealth bombers?

>>95948960
>Actually he contacted 3 artists, they all bailed and ghosted after not delivering for weeks.
>Source? I made it up

>>95945869
>older boss tells me about the lengthy conversation she and her kid had with ChatGPT and how it was like talking to a real person and that AI was a magical, spiritual movement
>shows me a sample of the chat logs
>ChatGPT gave them the most braindead yes-man replies and then generated a piss-stained picture of them
This tracks.

>>95945808
The covers for elfking honestly look really good. It's the first time I saw sloppa and thought "damn that's actually neat looking".
People keep trying to use it to make flat vector images when it's way better at doing flowing, overly detailed stuff where you can hide the flaws better. I'm still not interested in paying for it but it's at least not offensive to look at.

>>95955452
Her ear breaks it for me. I recognize it's just my fetish though.

>>95948984
>ouch up one slightly in paint.net
You don't even do that, turd worlder.

>>95949193
>>95949247
Because that digital slave isn't really free of cost. You might not be paying for it, but it costs tons of money to make that AI model run and they are just eating the costs now so they can hook you in and THEN get in with the subscription costs, which they already do for the actual good AI stuff.

GIMP is right there, some videos teaching you how to make logos and a couple of hours and you get a logo you can use even comercially with no hassle.

>>95945065 (OP)
Tools that make work easier only go away when better tools replace them. You don't have to participate in the economy that uses them, but don't fool yourself into thinking you can ever win against it. No one in the history of humanity ever has. I guess you could always become Amish. Maybe settle down with a cousin or two.

>>95945065 (OP)
careful or the mods will ban you for not being advertiser friendly

>>95955669
Oh, and add mustard.

>>95947218
christ I really am fucked. lesson appreciated, anon.

>>95956588
It's actually insane how it takes all of about 5 minutes in any of the dozens of free softwares with 0 training to make a logo sufficient for OPs purpose without resorting to some AI abomination.

>>95945065 (OP)
And I will reward them with purchases, because every AI use is a commission that doesn't end up in the pocket of a genderfucked dangerhaired furryporn-merchant faggot artiste poofter, which is an unalloyed, unvarnished, unequivocally Good Thing. You cheered when automation came for the working class, so fuck you get a real job or starve you poncy cunts.

>>95946075
You realize that normal people don't give a fuck about "soul" just results, right? If I could type a prompt and have a piece of software spit out an STL for a miniature that's even *almost* as good as a "creative" could make why would I not consider that a good thing? And don't give me any Muh Originality faggotry, "AI" may not actually be Artificial Intelligence but it's a pretty fucking good model of how human creativity - a fundamentally iterative process - has always worked. Learn to code or whatever, bitch.

>>95946478
You're talking to the kind of drooling bootlicker type who turns puce-faced reading the Daily Express and goes down the pub to start ranting about how we should just lynch all the nonces and sink all the boats. They don't give a shit about finding effective ways to protect children(that don't involve giving the state the power to arbitrarily murder citizens), they just want to rage at the bad man.

>>95962160
You will do fuck all, you embarrassing mess.

>>95962712
>I'm gonna buy their products
>YOU WON'T DO SHIT!!
NTA, but lol
lmao

>>95962729
Do it then, I want to see a Battlefront order confirmation in this thread before it 404s.

Coward.

Shit's fucked yo.

>>95962775
It really shows how midwits, and even supposedly bright people, are just not ready for this.

All because it's the next dotcom bubble for some greedy vampires, we will all suffer.

>>95945274
>This shit
>good, let alone dangerously good
Not sure if really low quality bait or legit retarded.

>>95956588
Then I'll go from not paying you to not paying them, lol.

>>95962170
Yes, i also realize that normal people don’t have a soul, literally and figuratively.
They are like npcs but in real life, they are pretty much biorobots.

>>95946478
>>95962181
>thread about use of AI to save money on logos and other graphic designslop
>look inside
>Bongs engaging in apologia for a notorious kiddie fiddler who now runs a business whose primary customers are children

>>95962170
>he's pre-pepared chips on his shoulder towards sculptors for when the 3d-generation technology matures
>thinks that his ranting and raving against the very concept of skill is somehow representative of normal people
This is not normal behavior, it is in fact an extremely abnormal way to carry yourself.
Normal people are not thrown into a frenzy of impotent rage when reminded that there are skilled artisans and artist who can bring about wonderful creations with their hands.
Normal people strive to improve themselves by learning the above.
You then are not normal, you are a subnormal cretin who has no use beyond sitting slackjawed in a puddle of his own piss and pressing a big button that generates hideous mediocrities for him.
>learn to code
I take it then, Ramjingh, that you are not aware, or is this just another of your idiotic, misdirected, and prepackaged grievances?

>>95946059
Both sides are low effort shit

>>95945065 (OP)
Same, stopped buying paints from greenstuffworld because of that

>>95962879
You sound afraid.

>>95962170
>You realize that normal people
My guy, this is 4chan. We despise normal people.

>>95962992
You drink cow urine.

>>95962879
Skilled artists and artisans don't fear new technology, because they understand it will only increase their value. People used to spend years learning cabinet carpentry so they could spend their life knocking out endless cheap boring boxes then Ikea and other modern manufacturers came along and "killed real furniture making", except they didn't, the cabinet makers who were actually good, the ones who produce work that will eventually be considered sought-after antiques? They make *more* money now because they can bamboozle faggots like >>95962832 with Muh Handcrafted Soul bullshit marketing.

>I take it then, Ramjingh
Sorry buddy - white, male, university educated, and a craftsman. Just not a ponce or an artschool dropout trembling because I'm about to lose my only remaining income stream drawing furries shitting themselves for perverts.

>>95945065 (OP)
Eewwwwh, they could atleast have done some touch-ups.

>>95945274
>good
Are you actually fucking blind, pathologically retarded, or simply trolling?

>>95962160
>>95962181
The duality of faggotry.

>>95945065 (OP)
Ok Luddite.

>>95963514
Sure, do you curse Vishnu?

>>95962160
>>95962170
so many pro-ai posts here involve an acknowledgement that AI is at least a bit shit, but it doesn't matter because some absurd pindick revenge fantasy
>>95962181
>demonises all illustrators
>is a nonce apologist
something interesting going on here

>>95962818
Anon, I'm arguing about why do YOU just make your own logo? It's not a comic or something that requires deep knowledge of anatomy or anything. It takes a couple of hours to learn basic shapes and color theory and you can make that logo by yourself, fully owned, free of charge or expenses one way or the other, be it from a professional artist or AI.

>>95964168
Waste of a couple hours for a skill with minimal modern value.

>>95945065 (OP)
Brother, it's only going to get better and more common every month for the rest of eternity. In 10 years you'll be considered a fucking freak for whining about AI, like Amish people not using electricity.

>>95964128
It's more that it went from complete shit a few years ago to making "artists" seethe and dilate within the space of a couple years. It already makes shit better than 90% of what's out there if you know how to prompt, and does it instantly. If you have any editing skills whatsoever, that goes to 99%. That said, it's worth laughing at anyone that fucks up what is an embarassingly easy process.

>>95965225
>It already makes shit better than 90% of what's out there if you know how to prompt, and does it instantly. If you have any editing skills whatsoever, that goes to 99%.
retards use AI as a toy just generating shit all day and post the best of it in /slop/ and look at that dogshit
garbage in, garbage out, and the guy putting in the prompts most of the time is an autistic human robot with garbage taste also, or a boomer

>>95965581
That's all unedited AND better than the vast majority of what 'artists' nowadays produced. You know it's true, otherwise you wouldn't be this terrified for your livelihood. You know you procedure shit, and that what AI produces is better. That's why you rage and whine and try to beg the courts to save you, all while everyone else looks down and whispers "No."

>>95965581
That's all unedited AND better than the vast majority of what 'artists' nowadays produce. You know it's true, otherwise you wouldn't be this terrified for your livelihood. You know you produce shit, and that what AI produces is better. That's why you rage and whine and try to beg the courts to save you, all while everyone else looks down and whispers "No."

>>95965872
The more you try to push this "you are angry and afraid" angle, the more obvious your bullshit gets.

>>95965872
>if you don't love sloppa you're in my outgroup of artist meanies
like I said, some absurd pindick revenge fantasy

>>95963514
Cabinet makers can operate without stealing furniture from each other. Cut AI off from the artists they scrape content from and it invariably falls to pieces.

>>95966420
>Cut AI off from the artists

Maybe artists shouldn't post their slop all over the internet then?

>>95945065 (OP)
I will never, ever buy products from a company that uses AI in any part of their production chain, full stop. Can't let this become normal; gotta hurt 'em in the wallet.

>>95965581
So far I've found that the only people with the autism to really get into the weeds and fine-tune everything to the point where they produce actually good pieces are, somewhat unsurprisingly, furry porn addicts.

>>95966420
Someone invented cabinets. There's nothing original and your ideas aren't valuable.

>>95970532
You will and you won't even notice. You'll have zero ability to identify it. The amount of computer coding that's already being supplemented by AI is shocking. It will shortly be so ubiquitous that you won't know the difference.

The genie is out of the bottle. You're a stable-hand complaining about the downfall of society due to the invention of the automobile.

>>95972007
Pretty sure that won't matter soon; the law is probably going to come down hard on companies in terms of requiring disclosure now that studies are linking AI to cognitive decline and, essentially, brain damage; to say nothing of high profile stuff like Signal's CEO pointing out that AI represents an unacceptable enterprise security and privacy risk

AI is a theft and laundering machine, no matter how much you want to proselytize for it

As for coding, I'm pretty sure there's going to be a hard turn on this "vibe coding" bullshit when things start to break and the brain-atrophied AI-crutch zoomers in charge of supposedly fixing it can't figure out what's wrong because they don't actually understand anything of what's happening under the hood. Lack of documentation and best-practices is anathema to enterprise coding; if you can't explain what it's doing yourself, you can't teach a new employee how to maintain and work on it. What, gonna let an AI do that for you, too? The same AI that just makes shit up and hallucinates? That's going to fall apart the first time someone actually tries to act on the SOP it writes and figures out it's referring to fictive shit. It can't be relied upon to provide idempotence in the code it creates and the output that code makes, which is antithetical to the modern enterprise environment.

>>95945274
>those pictures
>dangerously good
Blind or retarded?

>>95973581
>the law is probably going to come down hard on companies in terms of requiring disclosure
Not a chance, lance. You're gonna not buy the next smartphone because it sources plastic casings from some chinese company that AI generated their logo and website?

AI is part of the world now. It's a tool people can use to make money. So that's the end of the story.

>>95973581
>no matter how much you want to proselytize for it
Recognizing that tools exist isn't "proselytizing." You're living in denial while the world moves on around you. Your moralizing is irrelevant. You can always join the amish.

>>95973721
>>95973725
i bet you're having chatgpt formulate these responses for you because you've forgotten how to form a coherent sentence without its help. sad.

>>95973762
And rock music makes the kids worship satan.

Your moral panic is dull and meaningless.

>>95973769
morality is one of those things which separates us from machines, but you wouldn't understand that, you hollow-souled stillbirth.

eat shit, millions of flies can't be wrong.

>>95973841
Anon I'm not even arguing "for" anything. Just admitting that it exists as you rail and sperg about it on the internet. Hell, body odor seperates us from machines, too. Doesn't make it the end-all-be-all of my existence.

>>95969559
How else am I going to lure paypiggies to my Patreon without a free first hit?

>>95973725
>muh moralizing
Notice you didn't actually respond to any of that guy's concrete points
AI shills battling with GW simps to see who can be the most intellectually dishonest cringe retards

>>95974198
>concrete points
You're adorable. Those aren't "concrete points." They're hyperbole, projection and hysteria.
>Causes brain damage!
Just false.
>CEOs fear mongered!
Who cares.
>It's theft!
Moralizing
>I bet XYZ will happen!
Wow cool guess bro

>>95974823
>Brain damage is false
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2506.08872v1

>The study divided 54 subjects—18 to 39 year-olds from the Boston area—into three groups, and asked them to write several SAT essays using OpenAI’s ChatGPT, Google’s search engine, and nothing at all, respectively. Researchers used an EEG to record the writers’ brain activity across 32 regions, and found that of the three groups, ChatGPT users had the lowest brain engagement and “consistently underperformed at neural, linguistic, and behavioral levels.” Over the course of several months, ChatGPT users got lazier with each subsequent essay, often resorting to copy-and-paste by the end of the study.

>>95975580
Newsflash: Invention of the steam engine causes physical decline.

"Digital art" isn't art neither, mates. If you didn't use pencil and real paints to do your craft, if you used the 'undo' or the 'fill all' keys, you are the same hack as an Indian with ChatGPT.

>>95977348
Ubironically based.
Buying 100's of automated brushes and patterns and textures and claiming it's your work is laughable.

>>95946059
>artists are afraid of being REPLACED!!!
No. It's just ugly and you spam it all over the place.

The basic problem is this: for every person who uses AI material to create a visual piece with some actual value, there are about 1,000 who use AI material to try to squeeze money out of algorithms. They lack any ability to distinguish between "good" and "bad" AI art pieces not just because they are actively repelled by the idea of cultivating a sense of aesthetics, but because putting in that effort would go against their entire use case for AI. They are also capable of producing many, many times more content, since they don't have any interest in putting in effort on the prompt, final piece selection, etc. It's the same reason half the search results on Google are now obvious AI-generated dogshit rather than human authored and researched pages.

>>95965026
Go to Youtube's Trending page in Incognito mode and look at the thumbnails. How many use generative AI? About 0.

This shit is ugly and nobody likes it. You guys are engaged in desperate cope that it's sooo popular and, in fact, the fact that everybody's annoyed by you spamming this garbage is just proof they're artists engaged in cope and seethe. Nope; /tg/ drove off its creative types long ago, the people left here are all sexist racist grognards.

If this shit was actually liked, the algo would constantly dredge it to the top, but it only appears for senile boomers easily bamboozled by eight second video clips of giraffes. Everyone whose brain still works is developing a strong distaste for this slop.

Make sure your response doesn't include any em-dashes! ;^)

>>95977067
So, it does cause cognitive decline, it's just that it's good we're outsourcing all learning and thought to an extremely dumb machine that constantly lies and makes shit up? OK. I'm not Amish to think you're a loathsome subhuman for doing this, though.

>>95977561
Americans being obese fucks is a direct consequence of the industrial revolution. But I am also well within my rights to a) think the industrial revolution was an overall positive and b) direct my ire towards fat americans for being lazy rather than cars for existing.

>>95977736
>I've outsourced all my thoughts to a machine, this is fine though because outsourcing all my physical labor to a machine was done too.

>>95947218
This is actually schizophrenic. Imagine doing this to any other piece of art.
>Why did the artist apply a splotch of white paint here, hmmm?
>Why are his gloves blue when everyone knows metal is grey, HMMM?

Seek help asap

>>95978025
People do that, actually.

>>95977743
I use technology as a tool. I'm not fat because I use a car where appropriate, I'm not stupid because I use an AI where appropriate.

I'm not a bad cook because I use electric appliances when appropriate, even if the existence of microwaves has made other people bad cooks (i.e. 'causes culinary decline').
You see how it works? AI causes cognitative decline the same way as calculators cause mathematical decline or writing causes memory decline. The greeks were moaning about that thousands of years ago.

>>95978251
Reminder: >>95974823
>>Causes brain damage!
>Just false.
If you are admitting it causes brain damage now, then admit you were wrong. Although, rereading that post, I now suspect it was AI written, so I will opt out of being trolled by a bot going forward.

>>95975580
Lol. That's your evidence that it causes "brain damage?" Jesus christ anon. Get it together.

>>95978279
You're talking to two different people.

No: using AI doesn't cause brain damage. And hell no, that's absolutely not even the slightest bit what this >>95975580 states. Jesus. You can't bother reading your own source?

>>95978348
So, does using AI cause cognitive decline or not?

You analogize it to a car (which does, in fact, cause physical decline), but then you complain when people say that it causes cognitive decline.

>>95978356
Are you having trouble comprehending the post you're responding to, for some reason? If you'd like an answer to your question, then read the post that you clicked on.

>>95978362
Okay, you're a bot. Farewell.

>>95962816
>>95963583
>>95973611
>"hey that looks pretty good"
>ARE YOU PHYSICALLY HANDICAPPED
collected feedback, very secure people.

>>95978373
You're talking to two different people, can't tell, and didn't bother reading your own source. Anon... do you overly rely on chatgpt, by chance?

>>95978125
But its stupid to accuse every piece of bad/cheap art of being made by an AI since it just feeds into the false narrative that AI can replace the lower tiers of artists.

>>95978380
I am not an artist, and I use AI art in my job; I am not insecure about it in the least. But I see you AI boosters constantly go "wow so impressive" to ugly dogshit, then crow about how the artists seethe and cope when people say it's ugly and obviously AI.

It feels harsh to say, but the reality is that you have no sense of aesthetics whatsoever, so you look at lazy half-assed garbage and think, "Ah, 'tis the era of AI art." Yet, in reality, you are directly contributing to making that era grow ever further away, because your lack of discernment ensures a continuous stream of obvious slop.

>>95978409
I don't think calling Duncan's logo terrible slop and pointing out why is normalizing anything.

>>95945065 (OP)
Is it really so much to ask that they at least trace over shit they AI generated instead of just shitting it out as-is?

>>95978279
Kek, it wasn't chatgpt and you're talking to more than one person. I'm suspecting the lady doth protest too much RE brain damage.

>>95945065 (OP)
The comments in this thread are hilarious. Is it true that all anti-AI anons in this thread have stopped buying D&D, M:TG and Warhammer? The important thing that people in the /tg/ industry need to realize is that the majority of the market share is already taken by AI-using companies. Therefore the anti-AI complainers are taking the position that only new competitors that put themselves at a significant commercial disadvantage by restraining themselves from using efficient current-generation tools leveraged by their competition are allowed to enter the market. You are saying this to undercapitalized creators who also lack the ability to produce at levels where they would start to feel the advantages of economies of scale.

Anti-AI anons, please answer the following two question, and be specific:

Why should new creators have a steeper barrier to entry than the existing market leaders?

Sauces for those in denial:
>Hasbro (D&D + M:TG) AI
https://futurism.com/hasbro-ceo-ai-dungeons-dragons

https://www.polygon.com/24029754/wizards-coast-magic-the-gathering-ai-art-marketing-image

>Games Workshop and Google Veo3 AI
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4789663-games-workshop-veo-3-is-a-game-changer-for-warhammer

>>95982361
Anti-AI anons, please answer the following two questions, and be specific:

Why should new creators have a steeper barrier to entry than the existing market leaders?

Have you boycotted Hasbro and GW for their use of AI, or are you only boycotting small creators?

>>95982361
>https://seekingalpha.com/article/4789663-games-workshop-veo-3-is-a-game-changer-for-warhammer
first one I clicked on, and either you didn't read the article, you're too retarded to read the article, or you did and you're hoping nobody else does
whatever the case you're a pathetic lump of shit

>>95977736
Christ what a fucking retard you are. You don't have to just passively accept every negative consequence that technology brings. You can in fact try to control them. Sure, obesity is a thing but then again so is diet, exercise and government regulation meant to improve food quality. Some societies have been incredibly successful at tackling this problem, see Japan.

AI is going to require similar interventions. Schools and how kids are educated will have to change. Just as parents shouldn't feed their feed kids heroin they also shouldn't brainrot them with smartphones, AI and whatever else. Companies are already adapting. Lawsuits are already in motion, see Disney. New laws will be passed, one way or another. Anything else would be pure insanity.

For you to just throw up your hands and demand that we all shut up and put up because "hey, can't do anything, who cares" is just incredibly pathetic on every level.

>>95971888
>furry porn addicts.
We have to recognize the effort and determination they put in. We could do the same, but let's be honest, most people here are lazy.

>>95982373
>Why should new creators have a steeper barrier to entry than the existing market leaders?
That's how markets work, anon. You might as well use this as an argument for new creators being able to steal the entire text of D&D 5e and republish it with no changes.

>Have you boycotted Hasbro and GW for their use of AI, or are you only boycotting small creators?
Hasbro occasionally has contractors use AI, resulting in fan backlash and Hasbro themselves walking it back. I have never bought GW stuff because I don't like paying for overpriced garbage.

In any case, unlike your delulu alternate universe, the reason I'm generally "anti-AI" is that you pro-AI boosters are mentally disabled and post the ugliest slop and call it gold. Something like >>95955452 is fine.

>>95977558
>/tg/ drove off its creative types long ago,
I seemed to miss the boat to wherever the fuck the other creative people that used to browse this board sailed off to. These days it seems to be entirely pointless to even try to engage with any creative endevours here, as stuff like the worldbuilding threads etc are all basically dead, and kept on lifesupport by dedicated bumb faggots.

>>95983378
It was death by a thousand cuts, so they didn't go anywhere in particular, just got smeared across the internet. Biggest single end point was probably Akun/fiction.live, since the quest ban was a big exodus push and it's large enough that you have a decent critical mass.

>>95983378
>>95977558
Isn't there a general thread right now of a TTRPG setting created here on /tg/? We have an amateur game design thread up right now too. I think you are overstating the lack of creative types here.

>>95985679
I speak from the experience of browsing the worldbuilding thread and amateur game design threads and they seem to be dead as fuck. The worldbuilding thread especially. People barely talk to each other in them, someone just bumbs the thread back to page 1 after it drops to page 10 every 8 hours or so despite nobody actually engaging in any discussion.

>>95982361
That was only one question

>>95982361
I am so sorry that you are genuinely dim

>>95983322
No, Hasbro has denied use of AI, then experienced backlash from actually using it, then officially moved to a position where they -will- use it, according to their CEO. What "delulu alternate universe" are you accusing me of living in? What ugly slop have I supported? If only high-quality gens were posted, would this make a difference in your opinion?

>>95982373
SeekingAlpha is how many projects are pre-screened to investors. I say this from experience as someone who works in the startup space. Games Workshop also uses Brandspace, a GenAI copyright infringement detection tool. Does the following link work better for you, and is there a reason why you completely elided over Hasbro's official use of generative AI?

https://spikeybits.com/despite-banning-ai-games-workshop-uses-it/

>>95987005
I posted both questions in the following post right underneath. Phone posting while pasting links is a suboptimal process. Either way, I noticed that you haven't answered either

>>95987053
no u

>>95945065 (OP)
It really shows a complete lack of care for their product.
Why should I care if they don't?

>>95987120
Unfortunately this is the simple reality. These tools exist. They're being used to make money. Tools that make money don't go away until they're replaced by better tools. There isn't a debate about whether we'll "allow ai" in our games. It's here and it'll get a hell of a lot more prevelant.

Digital art replaced huge sectors of traditional art.
Drum machines replaced countless drummers.
Automobiles replaced the mass use of horses.
Autotune has an entire generation of pop-stars who couldn't hit a single fucking note if their lives depended on it.
3d printing and CNC machines are putting sculptures and small parts manufacturors out of business.

Tools change markets. They don't go away just because the people whose skills are no longer needed, as often, throw a fit. Art won't go away, and AI will never be art. But the marketing copy and collateral that used to employ vast swathes of semi-professional artists? That market will shortly be gone.

>>95987183
>they're being used to make money
lol
Every business that tries using them sinks immediately in stock price and profit.

>>95987155
You shouldn't if you don't want to. It's your money and a free market.

>>95987216
Unfortunately your wishful thinking is simply false. The biggest users of AI? Nvidia, Alphabet, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon. Yeah man. They're all just in the fuckin' toilet, right?

>>95987216
>>95987183
what CAN you use an AI for?
No manufacturing task, that puts you at incredible legal risk.
No sales or marketing task, that puts you at incredible legal risk.
No coding task, that puts you at incredible legal risk.
No art task, that gets you backlash immediately.
>>95987222
Yeah, the only use of AI is investing heavily into it for tech scams, it seems. Investment porn with no use case.

>>95987120
>No, Hasbro has denied use of AI, then experienced backlash from actually using it, then officially moved to a position where they -will- use it, according to their CEO. What "delulu alternate universe" are you accusing me of living in? What ugly slop have I supported? If only high-quality gens were posted, would this make a difference in your opinion?
What happened is that Hasbro pays artists to draw things for them, and some of those artists used AI instead of/in addition to, without permission and against company policy. Companies are full of humans, and just as schools are now clogged with kids trying to cheat using ChatGPT, companies are now clogged with laborers trying to cheat using Stable Diffusion.

>>95987234
You are lost in your wishful thinking. You've clearly got internet access--go learn. I can't beat you over the head with basic facts you wanna live in denial of. Deny away, oh ignorant one.

>>95987244
I used the internet. Any company actually trying to use AI reports terrible results. The only people saying anything good about AI are the people selling it.

>>95987247
Again, it is simply, factually, the case that the five largest users of AI are: Nvidia, Alphabet, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon.

Your wishful thinking is false.

>>95987253
Note these are all tech investment companies, who are selling or heavily invested in AI tech.

>>95987222
>Nvidia, Alphabet, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon.
These are companies selling AI (or, in NVidia's case, selling chips you can run AI on), not using it.

I'm willing to imagine there are companies making more money as they (say) replace all their background texture artists with AI, but I haven't seen it.

>>95987257
None of those are "tech investment companies." Not one. You are wrong.

>>95987261
Oh, so you're an ESL, I gotcha.
You should get a better translatorbot, your current one is failing you.

>>95987273
>Quick, insults!
You still lost the argument anon. No: your distraction didn't work.

>>95987183
>Drum machines replaced countless drummers.
No. Bands still employ drummers. A drum machine is used by people who don't know a drummer or doesn't have the space for a kit and is usually the first piece of equipment to be replaced.

>>95987281
It's not an insult, you obviously don't know what the words you are using mean.

>>95987290
Hahaha. Live in your little dellusional lies, anon. It's fine. I won't give you any more big, scary facts.

>>95978425
You sound histrionic.

>>95987295
Perhaps next time try to learn english before shilling AI, eh?
It's a shame it's not actually good enough to be used for anything.

>>95987312
You sound like you're projecting.

>>95987324
No, I don't.

>whining about using AI for the logo
>not even considering using AI for the models
It is twenty twenty fucking five, anons.

>>95987312
Okay. Good talk.

>>95987345
I thought cyberpunk was a fake system for over a decade because they had one edition using dolls for art.
This shit matters. If you put AI front and cover, then why bother?

>>95987295
>these are facts saar

>>95987222
>Your money and it's a free market
Strange how we keep showing AI fails when applied to the market but you keep trying
It's like the market is telling you something

>>95987433
You see, if we just force it hard enough, people will HAVE to use it.
Oh no people aren't buying the new windows. Shit, we have to keep supporting windows 10

>>95987451
It reminds me a lot of NFT shit
Except, to give AI credit, it does help me with actual creative endevors. (Organizing campaign notes, generating NPC faces that I can't find a good niche for. Etc.)
Really, that's the use for it, making an actual human's work easier. Not replacing the whole work.

>>95987532
I've never seen someone using AI for "creative endeavors" that hasn't had a marked decrease in quality when they started using it, continuing until when they stop using it.
Especially in tabletop settings, where making something interesting and fun is the entire point.

>>95982911
>Some societies have been incredibly successful at tackling this problem, see Japan.

Absolutely wrong. While it may have taken a little longer to set in, it looks like Japan is becoming a nation of fatasses like the rest of the developed world. Do you Japanophiles ever get tired of being wrong about the country you idolize so much?

>>95987539
Imo you need to filter it. I usually make something of a concept. But struggle with locations. Or need an idea to tie it together. Sometimes I look at other media. Sometimes I ask GPT to throw some ideas at me. And from there, I use my own style to work it in.
Sometimes the raw ideas just don't come to you, and you lack someone to 'talk shop' with to pull ideas from. Art is the same way, I've had a friend ask for posing references that are unusual.
It's an interesting tool. But it's just that, a tool. You can't use it for everything. Like how if you tried to build a house using only a wrench your shit would be fucked up.

>>95987579
It's a very poor tool. Like I said, anyone I've seen using it immediately degrades in the quality of their work.
Even, perhaps ESPECIALLY, the guys using it for ideas.

>>95987613
If we're talking about Chatgpt
I use a model for it tailored to tabletop shit. Idk if it really makes that much of a difference, but it's allowed me to work out some plotpoints that were difficult to nail down for me.
It does require a bit of fucking around to get anything useful, however.

>>95988175
No, just any LLM.

>>95987572
Sitting down at an office desk has been a plague on the modern world. I went from a 34 waist when I was on my feet 10 hours a day to a 40 waist when I got my office job.

>>95987572
I've been in japan almost a year and they are pretty slim.

>>95987579
>Imo you need to filter it

Of course you need to filter it and give it feedback and check what you get as results. But is that so different from paying some guy to do a commission for you? Sure you could accept his first result without giving feedback for refinement, but to really get some good, there should be a constant back and forth between customer and artist (or AI).

>>95978125
I really love this image

>>95951014
I can already tell everything I need to know about you by that reaction image. Your older boss is just lucky you haven't randomly killed her by now

>>95962181
>(that don't involve giving the state the power to arbitrarily murder citizens)
Name one state that doesn't already have that power

>>95949336
>if you're satisfied with an inexpensive plastic lawn chair you never needed a chair anyway
wew

>>95998085
Well yeah, but I get comissions for things that are more central. Because a human being can use it's input better. An AI only draws on the collective data of it's model. But human beings have specific styles/experiences that can refine what they do to a point.
Again, it's a tool.

>>95998462
He meant authority, you meant ability. You already knew that. Inteional conflation because words can have multiple meanings is childish pedantry. Don't do it.

>>95990128
Asians consider a bmi of 15% to be a tub of lard.

>>95945065 (OP)
What's sad is that so many anons in this thread have no passion for creating. They only care about the end result, not the pursuit of creativity and skill.

>>95947218
Holy schizo, batman. Get medicated.

>>95978409
>>96001956
It's not easy to see, but it's really clear if you download it and open it in an image editor. What human artist would, in a piece with lots of solid colors, randomly add one or two different colored pixels? Many of these aren't mistakes a human would make, because it's easier not to.

>>96001727
It is sad. They are shades. Dead men walking.

>>96001727
if it makes you feel better its mostly indians and other thirdworlders who think they can simulate competency to get them to higher social positions.

>>95990128
>"My limited experience is more reliable than data that goes beyond the scope of my limited worldview!"

No offense anon, but this post is the very definition of anti-intellectualism. An intellectual would be aware that data is more reliable than personal experience because your personal experience is limited in its scope.

>>96002524
>An intellectual would be aware that data is more reliable than personal experience because your personal experience is limited in its scope.
an intellectual also knows that numbers can be misleading and must be put into context. It is similarly foolish to completely dismiss personal experience based on what a graph says. eg. the famous WWI helmet study.

>>96002542
I didn't completely dismiss his personal experience though. I merely pointed out that he doesn't have the full picture. He's the one who completely dismissed the data simply because it went against his personal experience.

Plus, I'd argue that it is mostly better to err on the side of data because individual human perception is notoriously flawed. Just look at all the studies done that show how unreliable eyewitness testimony is, with most eyewitnesses "remembering" things that never happened, even just a few hours after the event they supposedly witnessed occurred.

>>96002591
>He's the one who completely dismissed the data simply because it went against his personal experience.
I don't think he did, he was merely making the observation that most japanese people he saw were quite thin.

>>95999964
He said the power to. You posted cope.

>>95982361
1) I don't give any of them money. I even pirate My Little Pony for my daughter, I don't even give Netflix money that would, in turn, go to Hasbro for the contract to watch it on Netflix.

2) You're actually right. The irony of AI is that it is allowing smaller creators to enter the marketplace because the heavy hitters are poisoning their own quality - not because the smaller people are using AI.

No poor person will ever get rich using AI. AI is only there for the existing rich to save money.

>>95962775
Reminds me of those Cassette/VHS tapes in 80's Japan which were the sounds of a Japanese Housewife cooking dinner in the kitchen and basically saying "Hi Honey, How was work? I'm making dinner right now it will be ready soon." and other platitudes for exhausted single salarymen to just come home, hit-play and enjoy the background comfort and conversation while unwinding.

Some people just want some affection and unconditional love.