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Thread Question: what 'mechs run stupidly hot and why do you like them anyway? Is playing it safe with "heat neutral" 'mechs a bitch move? Discuss.

>>95950307
Kintaro in particular the KTO-18 cause it slaps hard and is legit better than the SLDF model despite being a downgrade. FUCK NARCS!

>>95950457
*Laughs in free indirect LRM fire*

Mechwarrior 5 Mercs is getting more DLC dealing with the Clan Invasion.

https://mw5mercs.com/dlc/shadow-of-kerensky

>>95950590
I'm with this anon. Narcs are for the end of the fight or against distracted targets. Rain down LRMs when they're out of the fight but initiative sinking or you're trying to roll up the next unit.

>>95950655
I wonder if they'll do $500 Golden Mechs for this one?

>>95950655
that's nice
the mechwarrior 5 clans writing was shit enough that it kind of ruins the game

>>95950655
>See what they are adding
>Bullshart
>No real new IS variants so nothing cool IS side
>17 biomes that are legit just reskinned versions of existing ones
This does scream grab deal to me?

>>95950307
Mechs that can't get hot is a bitch move, most of the time (I make an exception for the Summoner). If your mech isn't comfy pushing it's heat to secure a kill, then it's not able to use its full potential. You want to be able to hit 4, 7, 9, 12, etc. Those penalties aren't a big deal if you've removed your immediate threats from existence.

Marauder 3R. I enjoy the running->standing heat cycle you can use to avoid the movement penalty. Another good include would be the Vulture, or many Warhammer variants (yes, I am going to shoot all the guns).

>>95951028
Have you ever fired your machineguns in the air while going "AAAAAAHH"?

>Elite: Dangerous devs on stream showing off the raw, insane excess of the new Panther Clipper

>>95951028
>Vulture
I will always remember the Batrep someone posted on here where a clanner hit 54 heat in their Vulture and then exploded (this is very honorable)

>>95951293
Kerensky wills it

>>95951293
Indeed it is.

>>95951293
Two games ago I had a Warhammer 6R hit 33 heat recreating the original MW5 intro (getting killed by an Atlas at point blank range.)

>>95950307
None of you cowards use the RFL-4D

>>95950655
I have mixed feelings about this. I thought MW5 was finally done with DLC. No more starting new campaigns and careers. I'll just enjoy the 1 I'm in for once. I guess not.
I'm definitely getting it though and will be playing around in it. I'm taking this as a sign that they realize Mercs is more in line with what people want than Clans; in terms of gameplay mechanics and such.

>>95951166
You ever fired twelve machineguns whilst jumping through the air?

>>95951508
That is an atrocious representation of the machine guns.

>>95951469
I wish the Feddies had given it 4 large lasers instead for no reason other than itd be unique

>>95951529
Also if you used the extra tonnage for heat sinks you could at least fire half the guns.

>>95951516
You dont like kitbashed LRM5s being used as machine guns on your official minis?

>>95950307
Most Phoenix Hawk variants, but it's always capable of kicking the shins right out of smaller mechs.

>>95950307
Jenner. It's an ugly mech, but dang if I just can't help buy go full speed and alpha strike with it every single turn until it blows itself up.

>>95951529
What the RFL-4D should have been if they weren't cowards.

>>95951576
BOO! Having a Rifleman that doesn't have synergistic arms is bullshit. Go use a Hunchback if you want that kind of off-kilter ugliness.

>>95951592
>synergistic

>>95951576
This is dumb. As the other anon said, 4D with 4x LL would have at least have been a functional mech. The canon design was obviously made to be shit on purpose, like most of the 3050 IS mechs.

>>95951592
>synergistic
I think you mean symmetrical.

>>95951293
Still doesn't beat the Taurian who cause his Whitworth to explode with overheating to ensure the death of a Davion on behalf of the Dragon.

>>95951614
4D wasn't a 3050 mech, you are thinking of the 5D which was the lostech version of the 4D (it is also shit)

>>95950895
Smart reuse of assets or cash grab, depending if you like a company or not.

>>95951620
I know that. It simply shares the trait of "we trained him wrong on purpose, as a joke!" that the 3050 mechs do.

>>95951614
The 4D as is can do some wonky bracket firing, I've used it once and I found that if you do a 2-1-2 with the PPCs standing still, or use a LL and PPC if you're moving, and then switch to the LL inside 5 hexes you can get it to kinda work without having insane to penalties every turn forever.
If it had 4 LL with 19 heat sinks, you could kinda do something similar, but I would honestly rather have some more armor.

>>95951675
I mean realistically the best thing is to drop one of the PPCs entirely and use the tonnage for heat sinks and armor, which likely happened a number of times in universe even if we never got a specific model for that. And it runs the risk of triggering both the hates-asymmetrical-mechs guy and the can't-tell-left-from-right guy.

>>95951697
The 'best' thing is something like pic related, if we're going down that road.

>>95951620
>>95951639
The 5D is fine as long as you use the PPCs and the lasers separately. Its nowhere near as retarded as the 4D Cyrus which is a textbook example of why the fuck did you put ER Large Lasers on here.

He just wanted to save the inner sphere.

Bro you're telling me there's a Rifleman called the Sneede?

>>95951776
Yes

>>95951776
The Rifleman Formerly Chucke even has a model.

Anything after the Fedcom civil war is retarded.

>>95951972
This is a shiver-me-timbers cold take anon.

>>95951508
this is battletech, the question is "you ever fired twelve machineguns while falling over?"

>>95951614
>I think you mean symmetrical.
I did indeed. Clearly the thought of a non-symmetrical Rifleman threw me into a blind rage (rightfully so) that left me momentarily unable to come up with the proper word.
The point stands. You got a Rifleman, you make it symmetrical... cause that's just good synergistics.

>>95951508
Burst fire the MGs

>>95952072
No. Set the ammo bin on fire and throw it at the enemy like a mech sized molotov cocktail for 400 damage.

>>95952088
No. Set the ammo bin on fire and throw it at the enemy like a mech sized molotov cocktail for 400 damage.

>>95952114
flaming ammo bin suppository

>>95952114
This does make me wonder, though. Why have ammo bins never been weaponized like this? Wouldn't LRMs be a lot more dangerous if their payload was machine gun ammo? Since clearly machine gun ammo is the most efficient damage-to-ton ratio, well over three times as much as LRM ammo. Did they just never think of it?

>>95951166
I make the noise from the MW2 intro when I fire MGs.

>>95951293
Based. I strive for this level of honour.

>>95952114
picrel

>>95952146
>>95952114
>Watching the enemy Warhammer jettison its MG ammo bin into its TSM buddy's waiting hands

>>95952146
It's called a Booby Trap and it can fuck shit up. A Booby Trap on something like a Charger would delete anything in the next hex over.

>>95950655
So we're going to farm Clanners because the AI will be atrocious as usual, and then clown on them with uber-optimized mixed tech? This DLC is going to sell like hotcakes. Those retards better realize what they've got and give players a Union or something over another fucking Leopard

>>95952308
Pretty much yet another minimum viable product.
The AI is going to be retarded and not interesting to fight.
Its not really going to add anything really new or interesting to the game except "lel clan mechs" and once fags have farmed the tech its going to be super lame and boring.
Sadly everyone is going to throw money at PGI for this DLC and then PGI will continue to milk the idiots via more DLC for mech packs.

>>95952361
I was hoping for another Clanner campaign, it's not like a combined Wolf & Jade Falcon one wouldn't have sold given many people playing this remember MW 2. But oh well, maybe they'll get around to it after they've milked it some more.

>>95952308
Nope, you'll be stuck with Leopards forever. Even as clan forces, you'll be using a Leopard IIC.

>>95952397
That is a Broadsword to you, stravag.

>>95952391
They'll be seeing what they can do to milk everything cause of the failure of their Clans game. There's cope saying they'll be adding new mechs but its all going to lazily remodelled existing assets, like what they did with the Thor II, Gauntlet and now the leaked Shad IIC. This annoys me to no end as although there are some models PGI produced I hate there's also a few I kinda like and would have loved to see their take on some of the insanity that is the TRO 3055 designs.
>>95952418
Its a ladies electric shaver and you know it.

Are the elementals for mw5 playable yet or no

>>95950655
>What begins as a routine mission quickly escalates into a desperate fight for survival, uncovering secrets tied to your past — and to the origins of the Clans themselves.
"New 'mech detected: Marauder" "Catapult" "Marauder" "Catapult"
So we're going to see this then?

>>95952308
I thought leopards were cool but between MW5 and HBS BT I am so fucking sick of them. The dropship doesnt have to be in the mission start/end and that small a dropship its ridiculous when we can still have 12 active mechs and infinite cargo space.

>>95950457
Man the Shimtaro looks so fucking ugly

>>95951538
I do not

>>95951972
This nigga don't even praise Blake lmao

>>95952442
how long do we have to suffer under piggy incompetence? its an absolute travesty that it's 2025 and we don't have a mechwarrior game with the same kind of destructibility as a red faction game. or even just basic ass knock downs like in the older games.

>>95952883
>how long do we have to suffer under piggy incompetence
Are you willing to burn down their offices and their families houses? Are you willing to kill them all? Are you willing to spend enough money to buy the license away from them? No?

Then you will continue to suffer until such time as you find the anger or money to do those things. Put up or shut up or kill yourself in a blind autistic rage.

>>95952883
Software developers purposefully write shitty and bloated software to make people buy better hardware so that the developers personal investments pay off.
They focus on one aspect (like graphics for videogames) to make there software appear better to the masses but just like in physical manufacture, obsolescence and corner cutting are the industry standards.
No business anywhere for any market exists to provide customers with good product, all businesses exist only to profit their owners and shareholders by whatever means is easiest, cheapest and fastest.

>>95952072
>The point stands. You got a Rifleman, you make it symmetrical... cause that's just good synergistics.
Here here!

>>95952883
>how long do we have to suffer under piggy incompetence?
I mean the Pig did shut up Harmony Gold...

>>95953030
Fuck off Manic

>>95953036
He screamed into the mirror.

>>95950307
WITNESS ME
>>95950655
How’s the mod community these days?

>>95951972
Nigga hail Blake
Nigga hail Blake
They don't understand the HPG posts I make

>>95951972
Some aspects of the Jihad are okay, other than the actual plot

Anyone know why the BT-281 BNC-3E model from IWM comes with an SRM-6 and some other weapons? I'm not familiar with any banshees that have an SRM-6 except the 3S, and that would have a different left arm, so it wouldn't make sense to be on that sprue.

>>95953481
Sounds like a 5S

>>95951972
The clan invasion is retarded.
The clans are only good as mysterious enemies with no information given about their society, military organization or how they govern captured worlds.

>>95953565
So like just the first year of the clan invasion is good?

>>95952391
The abhorrent characters and dialogue killed all my desire for more out of MW5C. I completed it and I don't have much desire to go back to it or procure any DLC.

>>95953571
Yes.

>>95953219
man these people took my bondsmen from me

>>95952687
No intention by devs to make them playable although mod tools are nearly available.
>>95952766
To be honest Leopards are a bit shit. I wish there were more canon Lance carriers out there before the 3050's. Wish we got to see the mech transport version of the Buccaneer or Seeker for example.
>>95952883
Biggest problem with the PIG is really their leadership. Get rid of Russ Bullock and the company would be salvageable. Whenever that fucker opens his mouth you just want to slap the faggot with a fish.
>>95953565
The moment you read a sourcebook on the invasion it is clear just how much author fiat there was.
>>95953581
I wonder if they'll even acknowledge that the player can pilot a Clan Wolverine designed mech in the upcoming DLC?
>>95953581
At least it gave us Uncle Cordy, Mommy Bears and Walton Goggins. There wasn't a single interesting character in MW5M.

>>95953219
>>95953635
SHE PUT HER HAND DOWN MY PANTS
SHE GOT THE GAUSS IN HER HANDS

>>95953655
Would Kanye be a SmoKKKe Jaguar?

>>95953638
My preferred lance carrier is a Trojan with mechbays. Since every Trojan is a custom refit to begin with, having one with mechbays is not a big deal.

>>95953481
That mini originally came with all the parts to make it into either a -3S or a -3E, but the PPC right arm was based on the unseen sculpt Warhammer arm, so they stopped including it out of an abundance of caution.

Just noticed something about this PIG DLC coming out for MW5M. Know nobody truly gives a fuck about Mason but thought it was worth pointing out.
Supposed to continue his story but he'll be what in his mid 50's at the time of the Clans invading? Timeline is being extended to 3057 so he'll be in his 60's by then?
Sounds like the PIG were too cheap to come up with a new main character and want the player to play as the geriatric fusiliers?

>>95953689
Thank you for explaining that.

>>95950307
MAD-3D. It has the unusual advantage of also being a good Mech.

> Is playing it safe with "heat neutral" 'mechs a bitch move? Discuss.

Yes, unless it's because they're a JagerMech or something.

>>95950590
>>95950724
I never used NARC, until I did. Now I'm addicted.

>>95953716
Average life expectancy in the inner sphere is 90.
Medical tech that can keep people at or near peak physical condition well past middle age is available in most of the inner sphere to those who can afford it.

>>95953662
He's a jag that survives bulldog only to side with the wobbies.
>THINK I'M STUCK IN A MIST LYNX
>WHERE THE FUCK'S MY HEAT SINKS
>YES I AM A CLANNER
>SMOKE JAGUAR ON TURTLE BAY SHIT

>>95953716
With BT medical tech being the way it is, a man in his 60s can look and perform like a man in his early 30s.

>>95953716
We've seen a bunch of MechWarriors kicking ass into their 80s.

>>95953758
no i think it's even better. he's a bondsman that becomes a jag then becomes a blakist.

The only question is, who is he sampling at the end of the song in the battletech timeline?

>>95953900
Amaris

>>95950655
>Bull Shark
>campaign about fighting Clan Yiff
Guess we already know at least one of the final bosses

>>95953756
That's not biologically possible, no matter what """canon""" says.

>>95953918
If the campaigns best ending is a FMV depiction of a totally uncensored violent gang rape of Natasha Kerensky by your whole lance, then I'm going to buy 50 copies to reward them. Bitch needs to be fucked back into her place, and game companies need to be reminded that they're only allowed to exist because straight white men buy their product.

>>95953977
>laughs in star league

>>95953989
>checks clock
Yep, it's the schizo shitposting hours.

>>95953716
To add to what other anons are saying, this is supposed to be a 78 year old woman. So yeah, I'm sure Mason is doing fine in spite of his age.

>>95953716
Wayne Waco was 99 when he finally died in his battlemaster fist fighting Jaime Wolfs Archer

>>95954020
I have more bum than her.

>>95953997
There's nothing wrong with wanting sheila put back where they belong. Hell, they like it when you do it. Natasha is no different. She's just more uppity than most.

>>95953716
It'd be nice if they just expanded mod support and technical backend instead of slapping more slop on a json for 20 bucks a pop.

The fact I have to trick fuck the game into recognizing my joystick and pedals is just silly. And that I can't actually bind the keys in game.

>>95954020
>tranny ass
Nasty K is a man with tits. That finally explains why she's a good Mechwarrior.

>>95954020
Nasty K has undergone more plastic surgery than a Korean girlband.

>>95953989
Aff!

>>95953716
Davis McAll was in his 60s when he and the GDL finally bit it, and that was on the absolute ratfuck that was Hesperus II. IS Mechwarriors stay pretty spry into old age.

>>95953977
Average life expectancy in japan is 84.
The deterioration of the human body due to age is because of the hayflick limit. Raising that limit will widen the optimal age of a human being, removing that limit will make a human body effectively immortal as far as age is concerned.

>>95953716
You seen some of the portraits in MW5? Some real old guys still running about there. IS ain't like the clans where you're gonna stop just because you're past the ripe age of 30.

>>95952199
BFFL Drone Bomb reporting for duty!

>>95954193
I wish they had more canon neurohelmets in there. At least they got buckethead.

>>95953662
Kanye is a clanner because he's a cuck he says so

>>95953638
>No intention by devs to make them playable
What a garbage ass game
No pvp multiplayer either
Games released 15-20 years like ago would have pvp multiplayer mge arena no sweat

Just getting into BT and I picked up the Kell Force Striker Lance. I now need to acquire the Crab.

Is there a mech recommendation guide for retards like me?

>stripping paint off of an old metal ral partha Thud
>covered in thick gritty gray primer, scrub it off after soaking in simple green
>its at least 3 different minis slapped together underneath
>body and legs is a very interesting white with orange line pattern
>right arm is a very well done US woodland camo scheme
>left arm and missile launcher are from the fucking plastic mini

Now THIS is a Succession Wars heirloom.

>>95954837
Are you talking about what is mechanically good or do you just want the names of mechs that people think look cool?

>>95954837
A bit of both, plus stuff that’s easy to pilot and learn off of

>>95954855
>>95954850
Oops

>>95954837
IS Battle and IS Command lances are all solid mechs everyone has available to them. The AGOAC box is the same way although theyre more likely to found amongst some factions than others. Mechs in the Comstar packs are pretty much exclusive to Comstar and rarely seen anywhere else until after the Clans invade. If youre curious about a mech go get MegaMek and try it in that. The Kell Hound striker pack is one of the most solid picks the Nightsky is fantastic.

Also dont mix IS and Clans it just fucks you on BV.

>>95954862
Can I run the crab with this force?

>>95954933
you can run as many crabs as you want

>>95954849

>>95954837
>Is there a mech recommendation guide for retards like me?

BT is a relatively forgiving game, and every Mech has variants that are decent. Also, proxies are completely accepted!

Buying minis on what you think looks best is 100% legit.

Other than that, I think people tend to recommend lists based on faction, not viability. You want the best Mech 80% of the time? Just load up on Awesomes or Stormcrow Primes. But BT is a game about having fun and trying new shit out. The lance you bought is perfectly fine to start out with. Play, try different variants, start to figure out how you like to play and what kinds of Mechs you like.

>>95955051
And I'll as that the Kell Hound Striker Lance Mechs are all bangers, though it definitely forces you to learn about mobility.

>>95955027
what

>>95954933
You can run any mechs you want. What you can or can not put in your own force is a self imposed fluff restriction, feel free to proxy in a bunch of screamers.
What should and should not be used in games is decided by players at the table, there is no hard rule that says you can't use something.
Players often play a "3025" game, which almost universally means mechs available in the inner sphere at that time, no clantech and such, etc. People sometimes run games set in other timeframes, sometimes they don't apply any restrictions.
Canon variants are assumed, you should always ask before running your mechs as custom variants in games.
And of course models are more for the enjoyment of the players involved, if you want to use a bunch of mechs you don't have or are effectively unobtainable as actual models, ask the people you're playing with and just use any little item that will fit on a hex as a proxy. Try to mark the facing of the object, maybe even make a little cardboard standee with a self made doodle of the mech you want to use.

>>95955058
Imagine someone doesn't like the feeling of tags in their clothes. Note imagine that that person is a self-diagnosed autist with "sensory issues". Note paid that Payson is sexually submissive and wants to make an object to make themselves feel uncomfortable.

>>95955051
This. Shitmechs are a key part of the game and if you dont run them youre missing out and a coward. Performance is based off the dice, stats just try to manipulate its results. Last match I played I decided to splurge on a MAD-4S with really good gunnery and it died on the second round because its heavy gauss exploded. The hero that match was my Commando that got ignored and kept critting Gyros.

>>95955073
>note
Why the actual fuck would my phone autocorrect "now" to "note"?

>>95955073
What does that have to do with me stripping a mini I got off ebay

>>95955076
My single most remembered BT moment was the time my Dire Wolf got headcapped by a Hollander on turn 1.

All my victories, that time I tried out a Naga, my Scarabus's many murdered lights... it all flows together. But losing 3k+ BV to a shitmech at the beginning of a match will be burned into my brain forever.

>>95953977
Well yeah, the setting has giant robots and FTL.

>>95955164
Real life has giant robots.

What have you been painting /btg/? Finished these guys up this evening.

>>95955083
It doesn't. That's bottom, a local shitposter and all round awful person who sadly insists on sitting in thus thread. He's after attention. Ignore him.

>>95955182
Wheres the 12th guy

>>95955210
Take your pick between a Zeus, Archer, Wolverine or Phoenix Hawk, but I only based them and gave them touch ups, so they don't count as "finished this evening"

>>95955210
must be a raptor II

>>95955219
Zeus!

>>95955182
Been working on my generic mercs, but I don't have any good pictures of them.

>>95955083
pics or it didn't happen.

>>95955224
A good and Lyran choice sir.

>>95955174
Real life has Robosaurus, which is a truck with a dinosaur face.

>>95955268
The scheme of the banshee is apt since it's likely to kill itself before the end of the game.

>>95955299
:c

>>95955299
I kek'd, though i personally would have gone with it identifying as a Heavy.

wait, are LAMs non-binary?

>>95955292

>>95955339
i mean i guess they're trinary

>>95954193
>old men running the Sphere

>>95954837
If you really hell bent on setting a faction theme then Comstar Level II forcepacks can be used to represent virtually any faction in the game and cover from Star League era all the way into ilclan.
You don't have to use said models to represent exact variants by the way so you can use them as you see fit.
Otherwise follow >>95955070 said
>>95953989
>Implying she isn't secretly into that shit
>>95953100
A bit up its own ass. A lot of modders gave up cause they got tired of constantly having to unfuck PGI shit since each update added more bugs and made the code way more spaghetti.
>>95953918
>Show up with Bullshart
>Clans don't immediately go war of reaving on your ass
I fucking hate HBS and all their fapfiction they did. The only reason they are including it is to appeal to smooth brain ledditors.

>>95954837
A Game of Armoured Combat
With 2 exceptions (arguably 1) every mech in there is available in some form or another to every IS faction, and see service through most of the settings history.
I'll also second the Command and Battle lances

aside from the blue pajamas with stripe and forest green or camo schemes, is there an iconic Davion paint job?

Why has the ComStar Battle Level II force pack been unavailable for so long?
captcha NGRXD

>>95956164
>aside from the two iconic schemes, is there a scheme?

>>95956206
>Guards parade dress
>SDF (aka WW2 Shermans)
so these are the options

>>95956230
>>95956164
The Dawn Guards are getting some serious visibility, probably because they're yellow and they want a Davion force that matches their map color, but also good luck painting white and yellow with a hard line between them.

>>95956236
was this created for the clix game?

>>95956164
Davions tend to use a lot of greens in units with red white and blue highlights. So basically just paint the French flag over olive drab as a decal.
Think the only one that isn't a variation of above or french flag pajamas are the Robinsons which was dark red with yellow highlights iirc?

what happens if the enemies are playing a diferent game like worker placement instead of the player who is playing a diferent game like dodging rays.

Chat gpt tells me I am making a methaphor of capitalism and the goy race.

>>95956175
Because CGL fucking hate you that's why.

The Ghost Bear DLC for Clans is good, a lot less like hitting your dick with a hammer like the Smoke Jaguar campaign was.

>>95956302

>>95956310

>>95956315

>>95956319
>it is a well known fact in the Clans that neural implants fuck you up with 100% certainty and scramble your brain like eggs
>they get them anyway

No wonder these retards lost.

>>95956328
>Being held back by sanity
>Not using every advantage you can get to kill someone 0.001% more efficiently
Get a load of this freebirth!

>>95956328
>No wonder these retards lost.
When? In the initial Clan Invasion? They lost because of 3 reasons; logistics, holding back, and honoring their word. If they fought like the IS and didn't go for even fights, i.e., using their warships with abandon, they would have completely massacred the IS and been unstoppable. A force without warships cannot defeat a force with warships, simple as. By the KDR, it's absurd how much damage the clans did to the IS. If the clans decided not to honor the results of Tukkayid and say, "No. We changed our mind and are going to keep fighting anyway." then the IS is royally fucked. This can be evidenced by the IS never fully recovering from the Clan Invasion and the clans becoming a constant IS presence afterwards.
>No wonder these retards lost.
Again, when? As of the Illclan era, they haven't lost at all. They're very much the winners in fact.

Really though, gloating about clanners "losing" is rich. Comstar actively assisted the clans during the invasion. Then they turn around and tell you that the clanners are the real enemy all along and you gleefully gobble up the propaganda being fed to you; that Comstar are your benevolent saviors. Lies fed to you by the very same people that were actively killing you, and you believe them. Talk about some major Stockholm Syndrome. Comstar would have been so pleased to have people like you lapping up their lies.

>>95956400
>t.

>>95956328
Only if you plan on living past thirty, which no true warrior does.

>>95950277 (OP)
Warrrrrrgggghhhhh

>>95956241
Don't know, but maybe. Their backstory is tied up in the Republic, so maybe.

>>95956328
Oh no! You're now officially Old by Clan standards, now you must choose:
>getting put out to pasture and being miserable about it
>staying in a front-line galaxy with the kooky implants
WWYD?

>>95956283
why are you like this
>>95956439
maybe I am thinking of Swordsworn
seems like they tried to address some of the uh drabness? with the clix game

46 years old at death

>>95955854
>>Clans don't immediately go war of reaving on your ass
They kind of did by sending the whole Zeta Batallion. The whole campaign ends with protagonist mercs defeating two blood named warriors and sending them running.
Also
>Clans
>being threat to Rimward Periphery

>>95956328
>>95956431
They can get them removed if things don't pan out. Brain damage is also fixable, the Clans canonically can perform reconstructive brain surgery.

>>95956249
Robinson is red and black camo. There's a few more obscure regiments that use something other than Davion green or blue, like the Kestrel Grenadiers who go full hot rod style and paint their mechs black with electric blue flame decals and red lightning bolts.

>>95956419
Always the same response from you faction fags.
>t. Mercenary for life

>>95956003
Britbong fails at spelling again. Go back to your slave game of 40k.

>be newfag, never heard of ironwind
>want AWS-8Q, only AWS-8Q
>find mini under generic name on ebay
>close enough for government work
>buy model, receive model
>immediately notice lack of battlefist
>this is an AWS-9Q, completely unacceptable
any suggestions on what to get for lancemates?

>>95956899
This is not warhammer. We don't play WYSIWYG. You can put a penny on the board and say it's an AWS-8Q. You're fine.

>>95956899
Anon it has 4 PPCs its peak Awesome

>>95956983
>its peak Awesome

>>95957117
>Availability: Dark Age, ilClan

>>95956446
I kinda love how Clan culture is broccoli hair Trueborn zoomers going, "Sorry unc, you are not with it anymore. Off to the solahma with you fr fr." I just love the insanity of Clan culture, especially when it's played straight like the Thurston Green Bird Strong books

>>95955292
I don't think you've ever seen a truck before.

>>95957168
I guess Robosaurus was what Elon wanted for his Cyber Truck originally.

>>95950307
If you double-tap the UAC and fire the rear-mounted lasers, the Ebon Jaguar A can build 34 heat on an alpha strike without even moving. Love it to bits though - the temptation to slam the big red button always looms, and it’s awesome to let it rip at a target and watch like 80 damage slam into something.

Bracket-firing setups that actually make sense are also just more fun to play than “heat neutral fire everything every turn” designs anyway.

>>95957134
That's just a suggestion

>>95957117
Thread for Battletech.

>>95956899
Hermes II, Orion, Wolverine.

>>95957727
fuck off

>>95957337
>Cyber Truck
Also not a truck.

I was counting up my mechs today and realized I don't have as many as I thought I did. Only about 80 mechs total with just over half of them fully painted. What're you guys looking at with your total numbers and ratio of painted to unpainted?

>>95957842
200+, 12 unpainted, 2 half painted.
Paint more, consooom less.

>>95957878
Let’s see some of them please

>>95957842
1 to 58...

>>95957878
I wanted to organize them before I painted them, at least a company for each great house and the excess I'm keeping unpainted for trades.

>>95957894
You've already seen tgem all, but I have been away for a few weeks, hoping to start on an assault lance tonight, here's a reminder repost since I'm not home to take a fresh pic.

>>95957117
Thats just a Hellstar that doesnt look like dogshit I cant condone it or its use

>>95957117
Yeah, I don't know what any of that shit is supposed to mean cause I play Battletech.

>>95957842
I’ve got mine organized in boxes of 40, and I’m just reaching the upper limit on my 3rd box, so probably just under 120, definitely over 120 if you count elementals. I’ve only got a few unpainted right now, I usually stay pretty caught up with what I print out.

>>95957878
142/180 painted. I have more unpainted than I thought.

>>95956833
>ameritard iq is so low they had to simplify the words
Go enjoy your chicken nugnugs, sonny.

>>95957940
>buying mechs you don't want and won't paint
vs.
>>95958114
>only getting exactly what you want when you're ready to paint it
superior choice.

>>95958134
We got rid of u because it's unnecessary, much like you.

>>95958140
Yeah getting that 3D printer was one of my best purchases ever. Hated the feeling of buying a box for 1 or 2 minis and getting extra crap with it that I didn’t want to paint.

I’ve got a Cauldron Born I’m finishing up soon (will post some pics when done) and an Ice Ferret and Stormcrow primed up, but everything else is ready for the table.

>>95958134
>>95958141
Noah Webster spearheaded all of the spelling changes purely for consistency. He was enraged by all of the bullshit that leads to GHOTI and made a herculean effort to resolve it. But the people were too weak and rejected many of his changes as too radical. He was a complete autist, but a based autist.

>>95957842
A little over 200 mechs and around half are painted. I have a bad habit of planning/building units and then not painting them until I have all of the minis, so a bunch are waiting on 1 or 2 mechs. I also have the 25th anniversary box that I dont include in the count because theyre awful and dont get brought out unless we really need an opfor.

>>95957733
checked, thanks friend.

>>95958026
After all, what kind of self respecting Steiner officer wouldn't smoke on the Birds in his Hauptman

>>95958233
What regiment are the mechs on the left? I know the right are Donegal, but I don't recognize the olive-beige scheme.

>>95958016
fag

>>95958571
Who lives in your head, completely rent-free?
Battletech Nazi!
Unfathomably based and Aryan is he?
Battletech Nazi!
Prompting mass copes that endlessly seethe?
Battletech Nazi!

I'll try to do the whole song later but anons feel free to add some lines.

>>95956236
>but also good luck painting white and yellow with a hard line between them.

Masking tape?

>>95956354
I bet he runs Mechs with sufficient heat sinking.

>>95956400
>using Ilclan as a positive
That is some lostech grade copium.

>>95958651
>Making degenerate fags endlessly bitch!
>Battletech Nazi!
>Painting so fine, racist and rich!
>Battletech Nazi!
>Battletech Nazi, Battletech Nazi, Battletech Nazi
>BATTLETECH!!
>NAZI!!
>AHAHAHAHA!
>HAHAHAHA!

>>95955182
Lined some panels. Need to hit the lights, heavies and assaults.

>>95958779
You need to hit the gym.

>>95958371
Lyran Regulars. I finally got decals for them but Im forgoing the actual unit emblem for the steiner fist because it looks better.

>>95958779
could you maybe try taking a picture of a single model under better lighting conditions? Hard to see your changes in group pictures.

>>95958900
I'll do some glamour shots when I get more of my favorites done. It was like 4 am when I got done with them so I just snapped pics until the nightsky was in focus.

I really need to set up a proper lightbox and I just didn't have the energy for it that night.

>>95958651
>>95958754
Just to spite the leftivists here I'm going to do my own ss/aryan mech

>>95958651
>>95958754
Here you go anons, took a few tries to get a good sounding one, couldn't get the generator to do "spongebob squarepants" or "sea shanty" as a theme though, it came out kind of "Billy Joel"
>https://files.catbox.moe/8efk1v.mp3

>>95959073
Daring today aren't we. When you're done with them maybe you can give the game a try.

>>95959101
No thanks. I'm not in these threads to play boomer games. Inciting people is the real hobby.

>>95956598
Pity you're not worth it, solahma boy, so it's permanent brain damage for you!

>>95959078
Not bad

>>95957612
Of course you'd want to run more Clan refit mechs in the wrong era

>>95959262
I'm not denying that them's the catch, but I'd assume that it's not actually completely off the table, because the doctors they got clearly are getting all the training they require.

>>95959434
I haven't deep dove any clan lore but the way they seem to describe enhanced imagining, it seems the damage is done even if you remove the implants and that its possibly degenerative; removing the implants doesn't reverse or even halt the mental decline.

If they could repair faulty implants surely they wouldn't do it for every solohma reject, but we would have descriptions of clan pilots having their corrected or removed which is simply not the case.

>>95959461
*imaging

What I am doing is enhanced imagining-- possibly on account of faulty enhanced imaging implants.

>>95959461
Malthus guy got it removed and he was fine. We know that they can get people whit half a brain back to piloting mechs, by stitching their gray matter together again and patching up the holes. They can cure cancer, but they wanted to make Bucephalus real.

>>95959505
Clanners don't believe in quality of life or """wasting"""" medicine. They have the technology to vat grow entire new limbs that are perfect replicas in both form and function, but choose to just install cybernetics because it's faster. They don't even bother giving most non-warriors preventative medicine, and laborers might not even get curative medicine.

>>95959550
The Scientists are in charge of everything healthcare related. If they think one of their needs the experience of replacing some warrior's central nervous system with a fresh one, they'll go for it. Losing months in reha is the warrior's call, not theirs.

>>95959279
I'm really impressed given that it was a free generator with no signup, bypassed the "download with tokens" by just recording it.

>>95957842
Bit over 200 painted between 5 factions with somewhere around 50 unpainted. Most of those unpainted being 3D prints.

>>95960187
Did you print them yourself or buy them from someone else?

>>95957842
Like half, on average. I should finish my Davionmen, it's super simple so it could go pretty quick, I just need to decide how to fill out my scout lance.

>>95957727
Awesome-C have rules for both classic BT and Alpha Strike

>>95960314
Then post a record sheet instead of a yugioh card.

>>95957842
103 total, 36 of which are painted. A good half dozen or so in various stages of WIP. This is only mechs, not counting vees, infantry, or aerospace.

>>95960243
>and a lot of autocannons
>Jesus that's a lot of autocannons
Can't tell if this is a fluffy lore appropriate unit, or a caricature of a fed suns unit.

>>95960468
Are you sure that that's actually a lot of autocannons?

>>95960523
I counted
6x AC/2
8x AC/5
4x AC/10
1x AC/20

For a total AC of AC/112

>>95960545
The Bane only has UAC/20!

>>95960616
The hypothetical maximum AC would be:
Valkyrie QD2 - 2x LAC/2
Valkyrie QD2 - 2x LAC/2
Dervish - No AC variants
Wolverine 10D - RAC/5
Enforcer III ENF-6H - UAC/20
Enforcer III ENF-6H - UAC/20
Blackjack BJ-4 - 2x LAC/5
Blackjack BJ-4 - 2x LAC/5
Battlemaster BLR-6C - 4x LAC/5
Battlemaster BLR-6C - 4x LAC/5
Victor VTR-10D - UAC/20
Marauder MAD-7D - RAC/5
Phoenix Hawk - Phoenix Hawk C - 2x UAC/2
Javelin - No autocannon variants
Javelin - No autocannon variants
Commando COM-1C - AC/2
Jagermech JM7-F - 2x RAC/5
Rifleman RFL-8D - 2x RAC/5
Rifleman RFL-8D - 2x RAC/5
Rifleman RFL-8D - 2x RAC/5
Locust - No autocannon variants
Locust - No autocannon variants

Which gives us a total of LAC/68, UAC/64, AC/2, and RAC/50

>>95960774
>phoenix hawk c
>gatling nipples and akimbo laser pistols
Man, Nicky was on some shit.

>>95960801
Just don't ask about the PHawk IIC

New mechs on the way, just got some post-print curing to finish up.

>>95961049
Have you ever tried to make light piping work on them

>>95961049
wow, all stealth armor?

>>95961058
Unfortunately leaving your resin unpainted or just clearcoated is no good, you need an Opaque barrier to UV light once you've cured them as continued exposure to UV will overcure and eventually lead to cracking, might take years though.

>>95961049
CHEWABLE!

>>95960774
is a RAC5 more auto cannon than a UAC20? 5x6=30 but 20x2=40?

>>95959461
I used to play mechwarrior on the playground when I was little and somehow got other kids into it and like...

a bunch of kids walking around with their arms out making laser and machine gun noises? that's what I imagine EI implants do to you. you just fully become your mechsona.

>>95960202
A mate of mine does the printing for me, I just cover the material cost

>>95960343
No way fag.

>>95961192
I thought as much, seems to be a big difference in perception of minis between printers and buyers, all the printers I know of keep up with painting very well, seems to be only buyers that collect a huge backlog.

>>95961226
Somehow has exponentially more soul than AS slop.

>>95961242
>Somehow
Flavorful custom rules are always going to be more soulful than homogenized junk.
I find it shocking that anyone who has played classic BT would ever want to play AS.
Even classic games with laughably small BV like 6k are way better than any size of AS.

>>95961253
>laughably small BV like 6k
I feel personally attacked?

>>95961253
>laughably small BV like 6k
How is that laughably small? That averages 1,500 BV per mech in a lance. Plenty for 3025. You'll likely even need to up some of your mechwarriors' stats to reach the 6k.

>>95961260
Me too. 6,000BV is comfy.

>>95961234
No point using unpainted models

>>95961253
>I find it shocking that anyone who has played classic BT would ever want to play AS.
Alpha Strike is a better game for lore-agnostic point based tournaments, and therefore is a better game than Classic BT. Tournament whales buy product, and selling product is the point. Who cares what a bunch of grogs in someone's house, who haven't bought minis or a rulebook in 10 years, decide to play? They don't pay money, so they don't get our attention.

>>95961226
At least do a fake card in the style of the BT CCG.

>>95961275
I just don't understand how people can bring themselves to put something unpainted or half painted on the gaming table, it brings me a sense of shame to even consider it.
Like that teen movie trope dream scene of going to school in your underwear and being laughed at by a gymnasium full of your peers.

>>95961282
Hello,

Apologies to all, I forgot to put on the name.

Thank you for your time,
-TCO

>>95961260
>>95961264
>>95961272
How long are your games? You actually regularly play introtech with 4/5 pilots?

>>95961284
Follow the chain.

>>95961275
I kinda like that the new Nova can torso twist, but it looks too much like a Stormcrow.

>>95961290
You say this like there is some other way to play than introtech/clan invasion? Pilots are 4/5 unless you've improved them in an ongoing campaign.

>>95961260
>>95961272
I also feel attacked. I'm usually 5k BV. I feel like it's juuust tight enough where you have to make some tough-ish choices on what mechs you take and what skills you bump down, but it's not as restrictive as 4k.

>>95961286
Eh, I can do unpainted, but the whole lance has to be unpainted. Can't have one guy buck naked when everyone else is done up. But half painted? No sir, under no condition.

>>95961286
It depends on the scale of play for me, I'd never use unpainted units in Battletech because you need do few but I don't mind in other systems where you bring 50+ models a game

>>95961302
>You can't have veteran pilots because - because you just can't okay!
<- My honest reaction to that statement

>>95961296
No torso twist was always an incredibly stupid design trait for a mech when it provides literally zero benefit.

>>95955224
My favorite too. Even liked the post clan souped up versions. In MWO i had a nasty build with good armor that was quick with a Gauss Rifle, an MRM30 and a couple medium lasers. The mrm30 at close range was basically an lbx30. Fun

>>95961316
I believe I said that you have to earn the experience, not that you can't have it.

>>95961314
>because you need do few
This sentiment is what got me into battletech
>Oh it's just 4 mechs!
150+ mechs later...

>>95961290
For 6k BV, the last lance I used would all be 3/3 or better.

>>95961284
Anon, I...

>95961334
>I can't reasonably respond to anon, so I will deliberately misinterpret the post.
So what? You play exclusively campaign games, or else watch half you units writing around on the ground from failed PSR's because of your arbitrary rules?

>>95961383
If you play with proper dice instead of unbalanced tumbled garbage dice this isn't really an issue.

>>95961290
>How long are your games?
Until we get tired of playing.
>You actually regularly play introtech with 4/5 pilots?
Yes. It means your movement and the evasion you generate from it actually matters. Your heat and managing it matters too. Go too hi-tech in Battletech and you might as well just stop stand still and shoot and forget about managing heat when you sink over 40 or even 50 heat a turn.

>>95961393
Ignore him anon. He's the one deranged guy who always gets passive aggressive in talking to others and thinks (You)s actually matter. So it's best to just ignore him once you realize its him.

Look at what you can do with 6,000 BV in 3025. You've got to really bring out multiple assault mechs to be stuck with 4/5s. If anything, 6,000BV was a bit much.

>>95961447
Really, you're kicking yourself going with a light and a medium even with the skill increases.

>>95961477
Here.

>>95961425
I'm being passive aggressive because anon is either baiting (You)s or full blown retarded. I'm leading towards the former, because it is truly masterful bait to respond to an actual issue (the fact that 5 piloting will result in more failed PSRs and that 4 gunners can't hit shit, meaning that they will close to kicking range, prompting more PSR's) with "bro, just load your dice and you won't fail the PSR's" is a masterclass in ragebait that's so elegant in it's execution it would be admirable if it wasn't so retarded.

To rerail the discussion, >>95961447 shows very well why you should bump up piloting. A lance of mechs at 6k can very easily all be veterans, if not elites if you're good with your picks. And an anon had said previously that 6K is pitifully small. So either you're playing turret tech with 4/5 Atlas's who can't hit shit, or this is bait.

>>95961286
I paint pretty slowly, and sometimes I want to run something before I spend a month getting it finished.

>>95961487
Anon, the point wasn't to maximize, the point was to show how quickly one can make a 6k 3025 lance and the amount of flexibility one has in doing so.

>>95961447
Trying to build an all assault lance for only 6k is actually tough in introtech. You have to pick the shitty assaults, so you end up with like a Victor, fast Longbow, one of the crimes against Awesomes, and then a Beemer or Banshee or something with one of the above getting a single skill upgrade.

>>95961511
I'm here to defend my Victor's Honor, but the point of 6k is to have some tradeoffs in selection.

You're definitely better off making a mixed weight lance; if you want to run premium gundam-ass-bullshit, you have to deal with filling in with beaters or settle for a high spec medium gank squad.

>>95961504
I wouldn't call it maximized, I just picked the first 4 heavies I could think of.

>>95961511
Multiple Assaults =/= all Assaults. And you frankly wouldn't want to bring a full Assault lance. Two Assaults, a heavy in fire support, and a speedy medium is a perfectly good lance configuration that you could squeeze into 6K. Also fuck you, the Vic and Beemer are great.

>>95961296
I think thats supposed to be a black lanner, the new nova is still kinda squat.

>>95961644
It's the MWO model of the Nova, and that game has Lanners. I think it's a Nova C?

>>95961666
Youre right for some reason its legs are extended upwards and not bent over like they normally are so its taller than it should be

>>95961502
Incredibly selfish, it's rude to damage the gaming experience for others because you have no patience.
You might as well play a text-based rpg if you're not going to contribute to the scale illusory immersion of painted miniature tabletop gaming.

We don't do this just to game, we do this to game with art.

>>95961793
Well, considering I'm one of three players in my group who paint at all, your opinion is in the minority where I am. Not to say that I don't prefer to run painted stuff, but when most of the field is gray, I don't worry about it too much.

>>95961317
>every design element needs to be beneficial

Go back to Warhammer.

>>95961793
There is no "we" kemosabe. I'd prefer if you would find something less fucking retarded to pretend to be.

>>95961810
If you're slow at painting it's okay to just prime up and give your mechs a base coat, but I don't like when people do less for anything other than models they literally just got out of a box. When you at least basecoat them there's substantially less confusion as to which ones are yours on the table which can be really helpful for PUGs and just generally makes games more interesting to look at.

If you or your friends are short on time, a liberal drybrush and/or dip in tone can give table-ready results in a fraction of the time of more fussy painting. Try suggesting it to them if you can; it's not a crime to put grey plastic on a table, but it is a shame.

>>95961844
It needs even just a theoretical benefit of some kind because otherwise people wouldn't design a machine with that trait.

>>95961915
Lol, lmao even.

>>95960774

>autocannon valkyrie
It's terrible but I love it. Great choice for AP round crit fishing especially with the targeting computer. Need to run it again soon.

>>95961915
I know right, it'd be like designing a tank with out a turret.

Oh wait.

And the benefit is that it saves money and eases maintenance as you don't need to replace an expensive actuator. See the Vindicator for the perpetually broke Capellans.

>>95961953
No torso twist was clearly based on engineers choosing between making an AFV casemate or turreted. Making a vehicle a casemate design wasn't just a pure downside that engineers did because it was funny.

>>95961961

The Lyrans making StuGs with heavy gauss rifles out of the Sturmfeur missile tank is the most German thing in all of BattleTech.

>>95961961
>And the benefit is that it saves money and eases maintenance
Guess what no torso twist doesn't do.

A+ paint pen

>>95961284

>Elemental in boarding range
>Night Gyr about to turn the corner

That's going to be a dead Locust very soon

>>95961447
>>95961487

t. Davion Man

I approve and 3025 games should be 5k unless between elite forces

>>95962024
All Locusts are going to be dead very soon.

>>95961961
Exactly, which is why mechs without torso twist should be dedicated anti-mech-mechs, sacrificing flexibility for much heavier weapons, and not just the same loadout as literally anything else for no reason.

>>95961302
>miss
>miss
>miss
>miss
>fall over, never manages to stand up again
Riveting game of Toppletech.

>>95962084
Battletech doesn't sound very interesting if mechs can't fall over or miss.
I assume you houserule CASE as being on all mechs for free too.

>>95962092
It's also not interesting if they can't hit anything and can't stand up. Bumping the stats all around by one or even two just means you don't have empty turns where you do nothing but shuffle around and the mech that tripped on rough ground with no damage can actually get back up.
Why is it hard for an undamaged mech to stand up anyway? How is that even a check? You'd think that's just a macro, you've got all your limbs, hit the get back up button.

>>95962123
Pilotless mechs are not titanfall machines, they are super early robots that can barely stand.
There is no get back up button, mechs rely on the pilot's sense of balance, expertise and connection to his machine to recover after a fall. The most advanced thing a mech can do without a pilot is walk slowly over even terrain with a mechtech's supervision.
Just as people often stumble and fall after a disorienting fall, a pilot and his mech are likely to as well.

>>95961502
>I paint pretty slowly, and sometimes I want to run something before I spend a month getting it finished.
Slow down there speed demon!

>>95962076
The only other Mech in the game with the same loadout as the Nova was made in imitation of it.

>>95962362
What the Komodo? That was made to fight Elementals.

>>95962084
>.t megamek player

>>95962154
idk, I feel like if you're just on your front or your back you really should just have a "put your arms out and raise yourself up" autosystem, especially when it's using the pilots balance. Like walking is more complex than that and both require it to understand the position its body parts are in and where the ground is. Are these guys having to QWOP control their limbs around to try and get up? I could understand damage messing this up and now you have to manually account for that but who the fuck is making a giant robot on legs that can't easily stand back up?
They created a problem they didn't have a solution for yet and now the mechs are beating themselves to death against the ground because they slipped on the pavement just outside the mechbay.

>>95962561
You're standing up in combat conditions with the intention of immediately taking off at nearly the same speed you'd be moving if you hadn't fallen at all. The mech is not carefully lifting itself off the ground in controlled conditions, it's scrabling hard. There is a Careful Stand rule that gives you a -2 on the roll if you don't go anywhere that turn.

>>95961302
There's quite a number of scenarios you can play where you got 3/4 if not 2/3 pilots or better with introtech.

>>95962561
Mechs aren't supposed to operate at all without a pilot's direct control and conscious effort.
Otherwise you specifically need to replace the cockpit with a gigantic drone computer that is stupid, even clumsier than a 4/5 pilot and gets crippled by ECM.

>>95962154
>>95962561
Ya all talking shit, but industrialmechs don't use neuro helmet and the level of actual automation in operation of any machine with legs should be significant.

>>95962731
I'm not saying and didn't say for when there's no pilot at all, I mean automated as in the mech will perform the motions as a macro as opposed to manually trying to control the limbs to perform an action. The same way the mech knows where to place its feet when walking while piloted. That's automated, the pilot isn't manually controlling each foot and where they go for every step. I assume. Bit silly if they were.
>>95962585
Oh, fair. That's pretty well close to what I meant, like being able to take twenty on standing cause the idea of a pilot with basically a third of a chance every single time of completely failing to just stand up sounds nuts to me.

>>95962815
The mech's movements are linked to the pilot's mind, there is very little automation and it cannot navigate at all on its own if it's linked to a pilot. The most a mech's computer does is acclimate to the pilot to better work with his personal quirks, it will eventually "predict" the movements of its pilot and function almost like an extension of his subconscious.
Something as invasive as the mech getting back up on its own would not work if it's linked to a pilot, even if it could do that.
The general movements link to his brain function, the gyro links to his sense of balance, it's all tethered to and reliant on him. A mech will simply collapse if its pilot loses consciousness.

>>95962815
There's a lot of official optional rules, and a couple of them fix common complaints rather than just increasing depth and complexity. Some do both.

>>95962882
>The general movements link to his brain function, the gyro links to his sense of balance, it's all tethered to and reliant on him. A mech will simply collapse if its pilot loses consciousness.

Untrue. A pilot failing a consciousness roll does not result in an automatic fall unless the circumstances would require a PSR as well. It turns the chance of a fall into an automatic fall, but an AC/2 to the cockpit that knocks out the pilot of a Locust running 12 hexes won't result in it falling, it'll be immobile.

>>95962904
I've never once seen a mech stay standing if the pilot loses consciousness but that still leaves the mech tumbling over at the slightest provocation if the pilot isn't in control.

>>95962934
The most common circumstance that it can occur in is if the mech takes less than 20 damage, takes a hit to the head, and the pilot fails the consciousness roll. In lore the DI computer is capable of independent control of the mech to a limited degree, which is how you can move a mech without a neurohelmet.

>>95962029
If someone is willing to go lighter they'll have a super elite lance at 6,000BV. Here's a Kurita 3025 6kBV. Tonnage is light, but look at those numbers. They'll be landing their shots while maximizing their movement for evasion gains. A good player that manages to coordinate his lance and focus fire targets could get some great results here.

>>95963000
5k is about the max for lance v lance in 3025. I do 8k for two lances.

Peak succ war lance composition is a bug, a slow medium, a fast medium, and a heavy or 4/6 assault.

>>95963000
>sword of light-ass motherfucker shows up with trips

>>95963030
4x Awesomes.
4x Grasshoppers if you want a cavalry lance

>>95963083
>Using duplicates for anything above a Medium mech
Ew. Couldn't be me.

>>95963000
> Sir, the Davions only have a handful of Blackjacks on the ridge! One good push with our light forces will sweep them away for the Glory of the Dragon!

This seems so.... Familiar.

>>95960343

I want to marry Nazi-anon.

>>95963083
Utterly cringe.

>>95962934
The way you write this as if you've actually seen mechs walking around is cringe

>>95961810
>>95961865
Typical subhuman australians.

>>95963297
>2700BV

>>95963100
Exception for dragons?

>>95963805
They're known as an (dis)honorary medium mech for a reason.

>>95963769
Cheaper than Warhawk

So the Enforcer has no other introtech variants, does that mean it was basically perfect? I suppose you could replace the AC/10 with a LL/HS, upgrade the sl to an ml and have a weird slow jumping crab, but it just works.

>>95963858
Targeting computers do weird things to BV.

>>95963878
I've always preferred the Vindicator. The one ton of ammo always makes me very cautious about shots with the Enforcer. The Enforcer probably got the better upgrades, however.

>>95963897
>The Enforcer probably got the better upgrades, however.
The ENF-5D still generates a lot of debate to this day what they Davions were thinking?

>>95963878
It means it either has no standardized variants or the in-universe writer of the TRO didn't feel the need to include them, possibly because they're obscure, garbage even by succ standards or the changes are too minor to waste pagespace on (ooh, this one uses a Federated Autoloader/10-B instead of a Federated Autocannon and Maximilian 105 armor instead of Starshield).

Just think, if they had won direct neural interfaces could have eventually fixed the brain damage problem.

>>95964152
You can't fix the brain damage that is being a Clanner. Except maybe with nukes.

>>95963897
The vindicator is a great mech, good armor, plentiful heat sinks, and will do about the same damage as the Enforcer. My only complaint about it is the suboptimal weapon brackets compared to the dead simple Enforcer. The short range on your PPC is the min range on the LRM-5, and the short range on the medium laser is the min range on the PPC. A variant that exchanged the lrm-5 for an SRM-4 would be ideal for me. Having no min range on the ac/10 and large laser, plus being able to throw out damage in chunks, makes the Enforcer a great team player when paired with a Javelin.

>>95963964
I know, right? Why would you move the small laser to the left torso?

Who designed this, and what the fuck were they thinking?

>>95964748
It was forward thinking, since getting a hunch without a printer is a bit hard nowadays

>>95964850
If I want a bigger Hunchback I'll get a Storm Giant.

>>95964748
They wanted a beefier Hunchback that could deal damage at long range. What they should have done is just made a beefy Centurion.

>>95961067
Chameleon Light Polarization Shield too, anon has a rich uncle.

>>95961058
Here, indirectly lit by my laser pointer.

>>95965264
Tried direct, too bright.

>>95965269
COMSTAR PLANT!!!

>>95965269
Must be those radical heatsinks I keep hearing about.

I'll be playing a 5000 BV game of king of the hill soon. I want to bring a jade falcon force with at least 4 units. The game is set in 3058. Any inspiration as to what mechs to bring? Anything from good bang for the buck omnis to bring battle armor with to cheeky SLDF royals I could use to pad out my force

>>95965355
>king of the hill
Warhawk with Elementals to bodyguard.

>>95965355
Do you mean 4 units as in mechs or 4 units including BA?
>>95965373
>Warhawk Prime
Use the Warhawk C
It's not only cheaper but far more effective slice of cheese.

>>95965373
Thanks for the suggestion!
Sadly all BA needs it's own ride, and only mechs can score. This is why I was asking for cheap-in-BV mech recommendations.
My bad for leaving that out of my initial question

On that note I also just remembered 3050 mix tech 'C' variants exist. Could those be reasonably fielded by CJF in 3058?

>>95965440
4 units including BA , but only mechs can score, and the hill is a good distance away from the starting area so mobility is important

>>95965444
>>95965451
Locust C spam might be quite entertaining. You can get 7 of them with some points left over for 5000 BV.
You could also have 5 Kit Fox V's which could be potentially hilarious for 5000 BV.

>>95965355
At that BV and for that many units, you’re probably bringing at least 2 points of elementals. Or running 4 bottom-of-the-barrel clan lights. You could probably do a couple of mediums or budget heavies and some toads to ride in on them and come in under 5k. Maybe AP Gauss elementals if you have the spare BV.

>>95965373
Problem with this force is that if you have to actually walk to the hill, there’s a good chance you just lose on points to anything that can get there at a decent speed. Elementals are slow without carriers, if the map is big enough they might not get into hill distance until turn 4 or 5, so if there’s a turn limit or a point limit you could just end up playing from behind at the outset of the match.

>>95965355
>>95965507
Whoops, forgot the date requirement - maybe no AP gauss elementals after all, I can’t remember when those get introduced.

Superior Battletech AU spotted.

>>95965355
Forgot to ask anon, what units is your opponent bringing?

>>95965355
5K is waaaay to small for Clan Invasion, especially if you want to play Clanners. See if you can't beat your opponent(s) up to 8K. Cheap mechs and Clan mechs are mutually exclusive.

If you can, I'd bring this list. Run onto the point with the Kit Fox and Stormcrow to score points till the Thor can get on point. When you think you've got a decent grip on the hill, use the Kit Fox with the Elementals in tow to threaten the backshots and swarming.

Well boys, I was gone for a week lostech hunting and came back with a 1973 Stingray. Anything cool happen? Shouldn't the monthly thread game be this weekend?

>>95965584
I don't know, 5 Arrow IV's seem like a fun time?

>>95965584
I think at 5K you just need to accept 4/5 pilots, lore be damned

>>95965824
>4/5
Solahma Mammas

>>95965856
You're so retarded it hurts, solahma units have more than standard exerience, they're pilots so good they didn't die in combat due to their relative ineptitude.
Solahma are 2/3 at least.

>>95965664
>Shouldn't the monthly thread game be this weekend?
Yeah
>>95948826

>>95965929
>they're pilots so good they didn't die in combat due to their relative ineptitude.
Not dying is really the inept part of their experience.

>>95965953
culturally subjective opinion that is objectively and empirically wrong.

Hi all, getting into Battletech. I posted a few days back asking for some advice so I picked up a box, and I'm getting the start set and the Legendary Mech 3 box to supplement. This is the force I want to start with. Is this good to learn with?

>>95965947
>monthly thread game
I thought it was annual, have we really done this 5 times already this year?

>>95965694
Inspired by this and other input, sadly the 5kbv is fixed but now that AIV is in BMM I should be able to convince them to give it a go. Fire moth for spotting and as BA taxi, Viper for more backstabbing and BA taxi, and Kit fox for the firepower.

Rush the objective, deposit BA, and alternate turns running on and off the hill for good tmm, whilst the BA deals with any threat the lights can't deal with.

Thank you all for your help so far, any more input is still very much welcome!

>>95966140
Do you know the rules for heavy gauss rifles?

>>95966311
Yes, totally cool with things going sideways. Leads to more memorable games I think

>>95965929
Yet they're not good enough to earn a bloodname.

>>95966322
It's as good as any. A lot of people prefer to start with introtech so they can focus on the base rules before adding the extra yabbuts and caveats that come with advanced/experimental technology, but you can jump right in if you want.

>>95966326
Blood names are both finite in number, and are heavily influenced by internal politics as to who even gets to compete for one
Actual pilot skill is a secondary concern when it comes to doling them out.

>>95966140
No. Ideally you start at Introtech, and play several games there, possibly not even with full lances, as there are more than enough rules to learn and master in the base game before you move up to more complex tech levels. Everything you learn there scales up, and there can sometimes be far to much to remember and take into account when you play at those tech levels, especially when you're just starting out. I know the swansong of high tech games in FCCW is alluring, but you can pull quite few shenanigans even at that tech level. The more you play it, the more you appreciate the balance of 3025. But I'm not your dad, you can play how you want. Have fun, whatever you do.

>>95966458
I'm thinking of doing a striped forest camo paint scheme, except having the left arm of each mech be a solid blue with white unite/faction markings.
What do anons think?

>>95966485
Try it and see how it works.

>>95966140
>>95966322
That looks like a really fun lance with solid picks, my one suggestion is have something beefier. The mediums and light are all very good mechs that rely on speed or jump jets to stay alive and in that tech level there are a lot of things that counter it hard. Your heavy, while just a fun batshit design is probably the most likely to die in a violent explosion in a design whose hallmark is dying in a violent explosion. Since youre clearly favoring Steiner anyways I'd suggest the Thunderbolt 5SS as an alternate. It just works. Its an early tech level design I take into later eras because it still does solid damage and keeps chugging regardless of whats shooting at it. Definitely try that lance out though and if the dice is making it frustrating its good to have a reliable standby.

>>95966485
Swordsworn?

>>95959101
Funny you should say that...
>>95951293
That would be me. Big game event I ran at my lgs, 8 a side, 3051, Clan vs IS. The Clans became too focused on honour and scoring kills so lost on objectives, but they had some memorable moments, including a sole Summoner holding their entire left flank against 2 lances of IS mechs including a couple of Assaults, and 3 Mad Dog's managing to heat themselves up so much that they spontaneously detonated from ammo cookoffs. It was a fun game., and at one point the IS left was held by a single Cyclops that just refused to die.
Pic unrelated, been at Tankfest today.

>>95966755
No, I'm disappointed to see it's pretty much been done already =/

How come Battletech doesn’t have any communists or liberals or whatnot, does nobody want a form of government that existed after 1800?

>>95966973
Because communists and liberals are self-destructing entities, both are systems that only emerge when societies are collapsing in on themselves.

>>95967003
Truke

>>95966973
Individual planets are going to function closer to modern liberal democracies, things are just feudal on a macro-scale. And I'm sure there are a few communist planets in the FWL.

>>95966140
Crusaders have a nasty habit of exploding, but every lance needs some crappy designs. Who really wants to play Hellstar and Stormcrow only final destination turret tech.

>>95966828
Its been 40 years youre gonna struggle to be truly unique especially if you go looking at other people's OC units. Even in universe theres units in different factions that use the same colors. You have any idea how many prominent units use red and black? You have any idea how many people just on this board have the red shoulder scheme from votoms? Paint em how you want.

>>95967219
>Fires heavy gauss after moving
>Fails stability roll falls backward and detonates LRM ammo

peak battletech

Slapchop drybrushing is my favourite stage of tge mech painting process.
Something about going from solid black to having every detail pop in a fast effortless coat is very satisfying.
It's all careful effort from here on.

>>95967223
At least it's not exactly the scheme I was going for.

>>95967269
Is that supposed to be a storm giant

>>95967605
Yes? It's pretty much identical to the lineart.

Not done glazing but got to let it all dry for awhile.

>>95967751
The line art isnt a kitbash of recycled PGI assets but ok

>Word of Blake Third Division
>The Word of Blake's Third Division played a significant role in the events surrounding Dieron during >the Jihad. In 3077, the Third Division was deployed to Dieron as part of a larger operation alongside >the Second Division, several Protectorate Militia units, and a fleet of WarShips. The WarShips >waited until the DCMS and Ghost Bear forces committed to the drop, then jumped into place and >attacked the Ghost Bear fleet. The ground forces, including the Third Division, then arrived at a >pirate point on the other side of the world. The Third Division became the garrison of Fortress >Dieron and blunted the Eighth Dieron Regulars attack. However, this came at a high price: barely >two Level IIIs managed to escape from Dieron, and the division was considered to have been >destroyed.
> The Third Division was also involved in a brutal battle for control of the planet Skye in 3074, where >they faced off with Devlin Stone and his Coalition force. After losing their command staff, the Third >Division lost cohesion and was whittled down to only three surviving Level IIs, which managed to >get off planet.
> The Third Division was known for its infantry tactics, placing hidden units near oncoming enemies >when defending.

>AI-generated answer. Please verify critical facts.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH!

>>95967851
glaze deez nuts

>>95967895
Then how could you tell exactly what mech it was?

>>95967895
Do you have a problem with a mech that has no model being kitbashed?

>>95965543
Oh, is that from that game with the cubes and spheres fighting each other? Whatever happened to that?

>>95963083
For what it's worth, as I understand it the Dracs were the only ones who used 4x lances in the succ wars in a big way, lore-wise.

What are your favorite IS and Clan mechs?

I still really love the Thunderbolt, especially the 5Sb for punching slightly above its weight class.

Otherwise I still love the Kodiak, only because it looks cool, still prefer using variants that lean heavier into ballistics vs energy weapons

>>95968507
I'm very fond of the stalker.
I don't much care for clans but if I had to pick it would probably be the dire wolf.

>>95968507
You are either an urbanmech guy or a locust guy. (The Locust is better)

>>95968014
It does have a mini it shares line art with the Scylla, which is a modernization of the storm giantband oh boy the Scylla has a mini. PGI kitbashes look like shit they dont even try to.blend things together its just frankenmechs.

>>95968004
Because someone had mentioned it earlier and I had to look up what the fuck it was, if I hadn't seen the art recently I wouldnt have been able to figure out what is was from the weapon mounts.

>>95964961
And you know what fuck you for making me look it up what the fuck does an obscure golden century clan assault have to do with a hunchback other than a shoulder mount AC20 they dont serve the same role and have nothing else in common.

>>95968507
Marauder and Marauder IIc with the Warhawk a close third.

Waiting for paint to dry to do the bases, changed my mind about tge camouflage, done with the mechs for now but might add some more white detail if I can think of something good.
"Jotunn Group" Clan Invasion era mercenaries.

>>95968523
Both are good choices. I like that weird canopy of the dire wolf cockpit, fuselage thing.

>>95968542
>the Scylla, which is a modernization of the storm giant
And I had to look up this mini, as if anyone would be caught dead putting one of those janky messes of a mini on the table.
>other than a shoulder mounted AC/20 they have nothing in common
That is the hallmark feature of the Hunchback, if it doesn't have a big cannon on it's right shoulder, it isn't a Hunchback. Conversely, any mech with a big cannon on it's right shoulder is an honorary Hunchback.
And not being immediately recognizable, or at least not being the usual evergreen mechs always seen on the table is the half the point of this lance, I wanted a high BV force of mechs you don't see every day, something to switch up the game with because I already have plain jane evergreen introtech mechs well covered by my other forces.

>>95968556
I think it would best be described as a cowl or hood.
"Cowl" is also a design quirk but none of the clan mechs that look like that actually have that quirk as far as I remember.

>>95968581
>I wanted a high BV force of mechs you don't see every day
I don't imagine people actually field celestials that often?

>>95968589
>jihad era+
Ew, gross.

>>95968538
I CAN LIKE BOTH!

>>95968597
How's that worse than a bunch of clan mechs and the silly HBS OC bullshark?

>>95968640
Those who understand require no explanation, for those who do not, no explanation will suffice.

>>95968640
I actually really like the design of the bullshark. It's like an angry redneck with a really egregiously huge beer belly, waddling around and incoherently shouting at people while holding a 40.

>>95968669
Average /btg/ user

>>95968661
The quality of the setting from the clan invasion to the jihad is about as bad and only substantially drops off at the dark age.

>>95968507
Crab, Marauder, King Crab, Hammerhead, Piranha, Crusader, Thug

>>95968710
That's certainly an opinion.

>>95968723
World of blake wasn't given even a fraction of the fiat that the clans got.

>>95968742
Whatever you say buddy.

3rd succ to FCCW is solidly enjoyable, it's definitely straining at the seams towards the end, but the Jihad onwards feels like something that happened to other people, and I say that as one of the people who was still reading the dark age books as they came out.

New thread
>>95968765
>>95968765
>>95968765

>>95968715
The Piranha was a pain in the ass to paint. Like the rest of your picks though.

>>95968611
Denial

>>95968548
Zentraedi officer pods are cool I guess.

>>95968581
The IWM mini actually looks like the lineart and not the result of a Blood Asp fucking a Zeus so I dont see what youre bitching about. Theres also STLs on cults that look like the lineart

>>95968661
What flags do you have in your reddit profile xir

>>95968786
Unfortunate to hear about your incurable case of bad taste.

>>95968789
Wow, being on 4chan and not recognizing that quote is a sure sign that you need to go back.