Thread 95953188

well anons, /wfg/ has gone utterly to shit, /gwsg/ seems to be on hiatus, and tg seems all but dead. so fuck it let's have a thread for the best warhammer battle game, Warmaster!

>what the fuck? is this horus heresy?
warmaster is a rank-n-flank mass battle game in the same setting as warhammer fantasy (WHFB) and the old world (TOW). It uses multibased 10mm figures to represent companies of infantry, cavalry, etc to play larger battles than are practical with 28mm.

>rules
wm-revolution.com/articles/download

>cant read must watch
youtube.com/@iainmstanding

post your armies, post your games

>>95953188 (OP)
Shame about Forest Dragon, have any anons got his files saved? might be worth making a cache of his stuff GW forced him to take down.

FAQ for new players

>what setting is this game? what armies are in it?
It's the same as WHFB. there are also books with army lists for ancients, medieval, LOTR, and a few other things.

the wmr approved (tournament legal) armies are listed in the army builder
>https://wm-selector.github.io/#/

>why doesn't my army have 500 pages of special rules?
because the writers understood the value of abstraction and cared more about balance than selling the new kit. this is a good thing.

>why doesn't my army have Unit X From Total War Warhammer IV?
units are rarely added to tournament warmaster lists. they give fucks for balance and stability.

if you want to play new units, it's easy to proxy. this is a bonus of the stat lines being abstract. you can run a lot of units to count-as modified versions of older units by adding magic items or banners. you can also use regiments of renown to proxy in unit types that are not normally part of the list. this can extend to players reskinning entire armies.

>>95953241
>gw stomps random sculptor
yeah that sucks. this is a good idea.


on that topic: Where to Get Minis?
depending on army, you sometimes have to do a little hunting and source different units from different places. there's a fuckton out there though.
>classic shit
GW used to have a huge line of warmaster minis in the early 2000s. you can still sometimes find them second hand, in old LGSs or on auction sites. especially if you're looking for one of the original armies like Empire, Chaos Warriors, Orcs or High Elves that got several printings.

>other publishers
there's a surprisingly large amount of companies that make 10mm fantasy. Pendraken, Eureka, Warmonger, Cromarty, Irregular, Kallistra, blackgate, onslaught, copplestone, spellcrow, wargames atlantic, TUTB, to name a few. you can dip in to 15mm fantasy for big boys (ogres, trolls, etc) too, and there are huge ranges of historicals for human factions.
there's also a fuckton of 3d stl sculptors like (formerly) forest dragon, wake, varus, greenskin, onmioji, moonjam, minirat, tordo and ankylo and many print shops and sites will sell their stuff direct. tons of free shit floating around out there too. and the crap's all very easy and cheap to print because it's low height and small size.
you can easily have 3 or 4 different options for most units in the army.

They should remake this but for Aos

>>95953504
Your parents should remake you but not gay

almost any AOS army can just be proxied for one of the existing WM armies anyway. if you like AOS-style models, then go ahead and play it with those. it's perfectly within the rules.

>>95953358
Fug I need a sauce or better yet a download link for those warmaster orc minis.

>>95953188 (OP)
nicest warmaster pic ive ever seen

how long until James SHUTS IT DOWN

>>95953188 (OP)
What gram groups should I look for when looking for good warmaster stls?

>>95953656
heheh gottem good anon

questions for that fellow who always posts his clipart skaven army - did you use a word processor or a spreadsheet program, and where did you get your clipart?

shame about forest dragon. in 500 years when I am done with my 28mm stuff I wanted to try some warmaster scale.

>>95954568
you're talking about the printable armies, like this?
>ordinarygaming.blogspot.com/p/warmaster-counters.html
just print at a size so the rectangles are 20 by 40mm

>>95953779
they might be the greenskin minis squigs.
good sculptor but his files are fuckhuge.

>>95953872
this motherfucker's warmaster minis are painted better than my warhammer ones

>>95954321
gram seems to be dying as a source of STLs, most of the old groups don't get new stuff and most of the new groups seem to be closed off "who you know" affairs or ponzi scams where you have to contribute money or STLs(that they don't already have) to get in.

>>95955084
>gram seems to be dying as a source of STLs

Lol, it certainly does not.

>>95953241
>Shame about Forest Dragon
>>95953358
>3d stl sculptors like (formerly) forest dragon
brb planting a bomb in GW's legal team office

>>95953241
>>95953358
As much as I love FD's sculpts, a lot of them were straight copies of classic GW minis, just adapted to WM scale. It was always certain they'd get C&D'd, the only question was when.

>>95955282
>t. smug faggot in a Who You Know group
I'm in three for specific things but I'm not a ladder-pulling cunt about it like yourself, and it sucks that this is the model now because for a while it was sweet and you could get almost anything by literally just typing the name of the file into search.

BTW, what exactly got nuked from FD files? When I heard about it I saw only Imperium and O&G remained on Gumroad, now other armies are back, Man o'War files are delisted but still available, from the VC army only the Winged Horror and the army pack containing it were taken down, which suggests some random C&D-ing of specific models.

>>95955729
this is just last week so he might still be sorting it out

>first 200 points painted!
I do not understand how anyone plays goblins even at this scale.

painting trolls is fun though.

>>95955729
Entire range of High Elves, Dark Elves, Chaos Dwarfs and Lizardmen have been taken off the internet and need a lot of re-sculpting from what he’s said. He also said there were some minor changes to a few other factions but wasn’t specific

>>95955729

He's lost 4 full ranges; Chaos Dwarfs, Lizardmen, High Elves and Dark Elves. Additionally there are some odd units in other armies that need reworking, such as VC Grave Guard. There's also a lot of characters missing all over the place.

>>95956149
>>95956162
>need reworking
So lost forever and gotta grab pirate versions then, got it.

I gotta say, he doesn't get the love that FD does, but cromarty's shit is awesome. really unique styles and just a joy to paint up.

>>95956418
for now it still seems like his gumroad is up with at least some of the armies.
it's probably worth looking at other similar sculptors like greenskin now if you ever wanted to. no guarantee they don't get hit next.

>>95956434
I'm not on board with all of his fantasy designs but if you wanted to play Ancients he has a really good range. His scenery and game aids are also really nice.

>>95955551
I can't disagree with this. The closer you get to the original designs the more likely it is GW legal are going to jump down your throat. It's why highland's 28mm stuff has that off-brand warhammer vibe to it.

>>95956434
I'm thinking about doing a nippon army using the new list.
use wargames atlantic plastic samurai and ashigaru for the human troops.
cromarty forge for the demons and the dragon.

seems like one each of the wga boxes gets you to about 1000 so maybe pick up a 2nd box of samurais and then let the monsters bring it the rest of the way to 2k.

>>95956918
>I'm not on board with all of his fantasy designs
he gets kinda weird with some of them but I really like them.

I want to do an albion army eventually.

>>95956972
I do like these birds.
does anybody do a Cathay army? I know there's an army list for it.

>>95957711

Tordo Miniatures and Polish Lightning both have full ranges but they are not at the same standard as Forest Dragon IMO.
Ten Kingdoms Minis do historical Chinese that are a good aesthetic match but a lot of work to support and print.

>>95957808
hmm ok. I like Tordos demons so maybe I'll look at that first.

>>95958831
wrong thread

excellent timing seeing as iain just uploaded a video on beastmen in 2025 https://youtu.be/mwN6INm-UQ0?si=H55zUGF5qcWKt_Nj

>>95954755
>you're talking about the printable armies, like this?
No, I'm not talking about that at all, you dumb gay idiot baby.

However, I am also a moron because he said it was in excel about a month ago.

>>95956162
>originally bought some of the moonjammy dark elves to try printing and painting but didn't get all of them and didn't go far with it due to not having anyone to play with
>moonjammy dark elves got pulled for unknown reasons
>forestdragon did dark elves and I didn't quite like them as much because they were a bit more modern inspired than the moonjammy ones which had more of a 6th ed whfb vibe
>now those ones are gone too
I know I can only blame myself for not pulling the trigger after a couple years, but still, that fucking sucks.

>>95959508
makes sense. beastmen army got patched up a lot since the time when he originally did the faction videos.

>>95961164
he never did a complete line, but the Onslaught DE spears and crossbows are pretty nice if you don't want to print for whatever reason.

>>95953188 (OP)
what on earth are these chaos warrior minis. they look fucking fantastic for 10mm.

>>95964617
Those should both be FD designed armies. Really impressed with the paint job on the Lizardmen

just seen some more shit flying around about forest dragon
closing his patreon but not the store. most of the shit that got taken down will later go back up. specific models got DMCAd and need to be replaced or redesigned.

the apocalypse is cancelled

Any pointers on which 2 armies would work well to introduce the game to people?
I know that dwarfs and the undead do not provide a full picture of the game to people due to lacking cavalry/range, but are there any other armies that are bad for beginners?

>>95965376
Emire vs OnG
Standart game. All-rounded army vs high atk/low ld army

>>95965218
>the apocalypse is cancelled
Is not, I wanted those specific models.
Maybe serves me right for sitting on my ass so long, but still. I'll yarr them and throw him some money for something else I guess.

>>95965503
NTA, but thanks, these along with VC should make for a neat painting project too.

>>95965503
Just 1K worth of models each enough?

>>95965503
>>95965376
dwarves and undead are a little weird, but not too bad. fuck it though, build what you like. most armies are not complicated. the only ones I'd stay away from are lizards (weird command rules) and wood elves (too many fuvking special rules). for regular armies like empire and orcs you can leave wizards and magic items out when you're first learning.

>>95967587
a 1k game is totally fine for learning, yeah. 2k is what the balance is tested around and it gives you enough room to bring all the toys in most lists if you want, but there's nothing wrong with a 1k game.
you can even just print off the armies >>95954755 here if you want to try it out before you get shit painted up. just do something like

>Empire
180 - 4 Halberdiers
130 - 2 Handgunners
110 - 2 Crossbowmen
110 - 1 Knights
95 - 1 Pistoliers
85 - 1 Cannon
125 - 1 General
160 - 2 Heroes
995 = 11/6 break

>Orcs
240 - 4 Orc Warriors
90 - 3 Goblins
220 - 2 Boar Riders
120 - 2 Wolf Riders
75 - 1 Wolf Chariots
95 - 1 Orc General
160 - 2 Orc Hero
1000 = 12/6 break

>>95967803
I'll see how long it would take me to print 6000 points of Empire, OnG, and VC. Maybe I can motivate myself to get that done if I can look at it and go "damn that would only take a weekend to get it printed, primed, and on bases".

Thanks!

>>95967922
if you're just trying to rush shit to the table, try only gluing one rank per stand and sticking on the other with blue tack or double tape. it's a pain in the dick to paint the interior faces of models on a stand after they're all glued down.

>>95965503
I would also consider running Helves since they are very forgiving on new players and allow you to familiarize yourself with all components of the game. Flyers being a prime example.

>>95967922
If you're running your own printer it never hurts to print out plenty of extras so long as you have the spare resin. If something unfortunate happens the ruined strip in question can be be glued to a throw away 40x20 and repurposed as a stand-in until the real stuff is painted.

>>95969255
>it never hurts to print out plenty of extras
this for sure. one of the best things about the scale is that shit is so cheap and easy to print.

looking at doing a beastmen army since the list got overhauled.

for first 1000 I'm thinking I will go this list
2 Gor units - 6 stands / 12 strips
3 Ungor units - 9 stands / 18 strips
2 Bestigor units - 6 stands / 12 strips
1 Minotaur units - 9 minotaurs
2 Centigors units - 6 stands / 24 centigors
2 Hounds units - 6 stands / 24 hounds
1 Beastlord, 1 Wargor, 1 Shaman

so I'll have 12 units, 36 stands + characters
I think I may be able to print it all on two plates but need to check

>>95970827

Looks solid. I always find Beastmen tricky to write lists for because they lack any real durability, everything feels so flimsy.
Also not sure if you're aware, 'strips' don't actually mean anything. They're purely a modelling convention. The only game aspect that matters is the base size, its completely irrelevant how it's actually modelled.

>>95971883
> So flimsy
> Also dragon ogres
What.

>>95971883
>'strips' don't actually mean anything. They're purely a modelling convention
You might've missed the rest of his post that talks about printing.

>>95970827
I'm going balls deep on OnG fuck it, 2K, looks like it will be a decent amount of plates, but I'm making sure I have extras printed in case of fuckups.
4 Orc Warriors
4 Goblins
8 Boar Riders
2 Wolf Riders
2 Rock Lobbers
1 General, 2 Heroes, 2 Goblin Shamans

I think I'm gonna need 6 plates to get all the strips done, then another 2 to get enough bases. Having a small printbed sucks.

>>95972038
dragon ogres hit like trucks but they're not gonna make a flimsy list less flimsy. they're super expensive. you give up 3 or 4 blocks of infantry to get them in.

>>95972643
relatively small for an OnG army at least. should paint up quickish.

>>95972038
the problem is that's only a unit or two, and the enemy doesn't need to kill them to break the army.
The regular gors, ungors, centigors and chaos hounds all die pretty easy and that's most of your units. bestigors with cheaper shit in support are your only reasonable hard units.

>>95972643
kinda surprised it's that many. exactly how small is your printer plate?
even on my first printer 7 or 8 years ago which was fucking tiny I could still get 25-30 infantry strips on a single one. you only need like 1mm of separation as long as they're not overhanging in to each other.

Lads, been thinking about playing WM for a while, 2 guys in my club already have armies.

Are Goblins easy to play? I always loved the little buggers in WHBF but there was no way in hell I was gonna paint a 28mm horde army at the time

>>95975181
they're definitely a lot of fun, but you have to be able to get in the right mood for it because you're going to fail a lot of fucking orders. between both your general and hero being idiots, trolls being idiots, and the regular goblin units hitting decently but folding like wet tissue to return attacks... it goes real well some times and real damn bad some times.

I'd definitely say orcs are a little easier for a new player so that may be a way to ease in if you don't hate orcs since they share a bunch of units. a goblin/troll heavy orc army can be like 70% of the way to a goblin army.

>>95975444
Thanks anon, seems that a classic O&G army is better for a start then.
Is this a good base for 1k?

1 Orc General
1 Orc Hero
1 Orc Shaman
1 Goblin Hero
2 Orc Warriors
2 Goblins
1 Black Orcs
1 Ogres
2 Orc Boar Riders
1 Goblin Wolf Riders
1 Rock Lobba

>>95974921
I am doing 30 strips per plate. Unless I've severely misunderstood something, that's 5 units most of the time. Managed to get it down a lot more by getting creative with the layout for the wolves, lobbers, and heroes to fit them all on one plate. The rest can't be helped though, so whatever.

>>95953241
what happened to forest dragon???

>>95960661
How do you put various pictures in excel and print them out to the base dimensions? I already have the needed bases and printed out the fan-updated rulebook. I think this idea is better than the top-down warmaster counters that I was planning on. These are much clearer and to-the-point for the sake of gameplay. Creatively and technologically, however, I am unfortunately retarded and would like any advice to get this project under way.

>>95976666
Well if you must know Satan, they got sent a C&D from GW. FD's store page is under maintenance right now, and several army packs like the Dark elves and lizardmen are no longer available. FD is going to have to go back and redo some of the older stuff to make sure it's compliant.

>>95976901
any way to get those files somewhere? i don't know how printers go dig for their shit, i only buy my prints off etsy

>>95976907
until FD brings something back, it's black market.
the Etsy sellers that have FD will stop selling them on Monday when the merchant license ends.

Which publisher has the best Skaven Miniatures?

>>95977343
Cromarty IMO, and you can choose between weeb skaven and vanilla if you like.

>>95977343
>>95977495

Cromarty is very stylised, Green Skin Minis is closer to the GW style. GSM also has a lot more sculpts for things like Skavenslaves, Brood Horrors and Verminlords.

>>95977343
different styles but the main ones are all good.
Cromarty has the regular skaven and the nippon-counts-as-skaven. Ankylo has old-school 5th / 6th / mordheim looking skaven. greenskin minis has the newer style skaven.

>>95977495
Speaking of weeb, I now want all his chibi WM armies.

Man, this is sick, I've just done a deep dive on warmaster. Watched ianmstanding's vids to get an idea of the factions, wanna try to get a couple of my DnD group into tabletop wargaming
Unfortunately, seems this was a shit week to rediscover it, so many sculpts disappeared

My plan is to print out 2 or three armies on card or something, with some foldable terrain. Make for an easy, portable as fuck way to get them started
I wanna print several forces out so there's a balance to choose from, maybe with a few bullet points about each army (like Dwarfs have no cavalry, 50/50 to cancel enemy spells, lots of heavy infantry)

If you were doing this, what armies would be good and if you have the time, why?
Was gonna go Empire, Orcs, Skaven, Lizardmen, Chaos, Elves, Dwarves, Brets but if there's better options for newbs that works too

>>95977325
I have zero intentions of paying for the stl anon, and zero care for GW neither. I want to know how i can get them so i can put on my backup until i make a order from a printer and send them the files.

>Etsy sellers that have FD will stop selling them on Monday when the merchant license ends.
There's absolutely no way you actually believe that. If you want to buy a mini you just make a order for a custom print job and send in the files or ask for it by text from someone you know did X or Y print before.

>>95977343
I like the samurai skaven, mostly because of the oni rat ogres

>>95976666
>>95976901
It was not only that, he already had plans to change the way he works on releases. IRL and making sure to release X amount of minis per month (and test print everything) has taken its toll om him.
He still plans to release new stuff, but at a slower pace and probably whole armies at once. GW C&Ding him was just bad timing

>>95977672

Empire vs Orcs is the classic matchup for good reason. Both are solid all-rounders with lots of unit variety.
Elves are also a good pick for first army and they are very, very reliable. Chaos is a hard skew but also very simple to use well so they are good for beginners.
Bretonnia, Skaven, Lizardmen and Dwarfs not so much. They are inherently skewed and/or packed with unique army rules that don't transfer well.

>>95977745
Thanks mate
So maybe Empire, Orcs, both Elves
I figure I could get a hell of a lotta armies in a small box
Any other good newb armies?

>>95977683
>I have zero intentions of paying for the stl anon
ok, so go fucking figure it out then

>>95977683
>There's absolutely no way you actually believe that.
they'll still exist, sure, and if you've got a printer you're already friendly with I'm sure they'll keep doing that. They just won't be listed places like Etsy anymore, that's all.

>>95977814

No army is so complicated that you can't pick it up and play. Some just have a little extra spice to learn on top of the core rules but nothing that will take more than 2-3 games to get over. As ever the most important thing is actually liking the aesthetics and background of your army. There are no traps or veteran-only armies.

Empire and Orcs are the classic. High Elves and Chaos are very easy, although for different reasons.
Araby is pretty straightforward and very strong, as are Dark Elves. Chaos Dwarfs, Albion, Dogs of War and Nippon would all be good as well.

Both Undead play differently. Dwarfs and Skaven play with no cavalry which is a learning curve. Bretonnia have a wonky break mechanic, Lizardmen have ab alien command structure, Daemons are at the mercy of instability and Kislev is packed full of light cavalry which can be hard to use well. Goblins are an experience in chaos, Beastmen have ambush mechanics, Witch Hunters are all kinds of fucked. Norse lacks good cavalry and Cathay is hard to build armies.

>>95977814
TK is a good one if you want to try undead

I've got a nice sized nurgle army and a smaller marauders force i recently made. Both need to be painted still

>>95977683
>can't even do a quick search on Tgram
GW legal really isn't sending their best

>>95978035
>>95978122
Thanks again guys!
I'll work on/find a handful of lists and print em for Empire, Orcs, and maybe Chaos and Helves. If I've got the time, I'll do Tomb Kings for myself too
Pretty solid roster
As far as I can tell the playstyles are something like
Empire: Flexible. has a bit of everything, strong but not "exciting". Mixed arms. Good artillery, Good Cavalary
Orcs: Flexible, less reliable. Not as tough as Empire, but more stuff and bigger armies
Chaos: Elite AF. Get to melee and win, or die
Elves: Empire, but better, more expensive. No cannons, but flyers are great
Tomb Kings: Horde. Lots of stuff, may not be able to do anything with it if your rolls suck

Dwarfs: Heavy Infantry, defensive, lotsa guns and artillery, 50/50 countermagic
Dark Elves: Better Cavalry than Elves, but can lose heroes to yourself
Skaven: Crazy horde. Lots of dudes, not v manoeuvrable
Cathay: Horde version of dwarfs with magic
Albion: Lotsa fast stuff, not a lot of defense
Nippon: Same as albion, but slower and countermagic
Bretonnia: Lotsa heavy cav, super expendable crap units. TREBUCHET
Vamps: Heavier TK with no range
Dogs: Empire with more options, shorter range artillery and flyers
Kislev: Light cav, fast
Lizards: Big, tough Infantry, some real scary fast units
Beastmen: Horde with ambush
Goblins: Horde horde horde ho ho my lad
Chaos Dwarfs: desu i can't really tell
Witch Hunters: uhh..ranged horde that wants to fight?
Norse: More reliable orcs but have no cavalry

>>95978938
>someone made questions its surely a lawyer
You faggots are so fucking retarded. I don't even know how telegram works, let alone that there's a serverthing hosted for tg stl's. Only drugdealers use that over here because i live in an actually civilized country, not the hellhole that is the US.

>>95980464
Figure it out. Nobody here is handing you a DDL just because you demanded to be spoonfed. Go cry to the 3D printing general if you are really that helpless.

>>95980969
I didn't ask for a ddl, i asked for instructions and information.
Which, even through the useless hostility i still gathered
>stl's are mostly shared through telegram
>there is a mystical tg printing telegram
>said telegrams are run by russians(anons are scared of gw lawyers)
How the fuck i go about finding these telegrams i have no idea, so i'll just go flirt with nerds on the tg discords until some retard gets me invites because i have a sultry voice.

>>95980991
>i asked for instructions and information.
you came in here and demanded help and gave snark and attitude when you didn't get it
>stl's are mostly shared through telegram
this is correct
>there is a mystical tg printing telegram
no there isn't. You can search for groups in the search bar. Type in Warmaster
>anons are scared of gw lawyers
Everyone knows this site is monitored by GW, and nobody wants their channels and download links nuked.

>>95981017
>Everyone knows this site is monitored by GW
It'd be very funny if that was the case, however consider; Host your shit on ching, brazilian or ruskie ran hosters, nothing will ever go down because they aren't complying to random british companies.
Zoomers really, really, really need to learn the ropes on hosting. Netflix and Disney made y'all weak, grew up without the tradition of figuring how to get and host shows under constant c&d mail as the norm.

>>95976675
not my picture which is why I was hoping excelanon would show up, but you should be able to set cell size in inches or cm. If I were to do it I would split each base into two cells top and bottom and use the bottom one for the unit text. It would probably work all in one cell but would be more of a formatting pain to get right. Inserting would be as easy as dragging and dropping in Excel I think

>>95953188 (OP)
Rank and flank? What's that?

>>95982150
You have units in ranked formations, and flanking the enemy does more damage.

>>95979546
it'll make more sense when you play, but you missed the biggest "playstyle" subdivision. cmd 10 vs cmd 9 vs cmd 8 armies (and I guess 4th category for weird exceptions like lizardmen). the general matters more to how the army feels than any other thing.

>>95982150
it's a style of wargame used for fantasy and pre-modern historicals where infantry are arranged in large "blocks" that have very restricted movement limitations. gameplay hinges around maneuvering effectively, forming a battle line and trying to break up your opponent's battle line by flanking the vulnerable sides of their units.

>>95977495
>>95977530
>>95977531
>>95977683
Thank you! Greenskin mini are which I like the most.

>>95981050
You're still not getting any links for your flagrant homosexuality.

>>95983832
greenskin minis are great. their shit is stupid detailed. I think he makes for 15mm and 10mm so they end up being busier than most 10mm.

>>95983583
Makes sense, the reliability of your troops in such a large scale game about manoeuvre and initiative
I suppose that's how lizards, undead, skaven, etc get balanced- a short control range or no initiative
on that note, how useful/hindering is initiative?
Also didn't really make the mental connection of warmaster and block wargames, that's a really neat connection
Maybe I should print stickers and put them on some alphabet blocks..

I want to make a boss monster for an end of campaign game for an Underhells campaign. I've got like 2 weeks to do it.

Any suggestions?

>>95986149
>on that note, how useful/hindering is initiative?
massively impactful. in armies with worse command structures like orcs or skaven, often the bulk of your charges will be on initiative the turn after the opponent bounces off or crashes through your line. which is why undead play so different to everyone else. and why command 10 with cavalry feels like cheating - you get to sequence-break, essentially.

>>95976901
FUCJ
I BOUGHT SO MANY OF HIS STLs
What happens to the files I haven't downloaded yet?!

>>95977692
That mother fucker was always slow.
I stopped supporting him in 2024 when he went on a second months long 'ummm I'm not feeling it's break.
Part of the issue is he (stupidly) put out votes for factions to work on, so he did shit he wasn't passionate about but fags demanded (like yet ANOTHER 10MM chaos dwarf range)

>>95988020
On gumroad? should still be there if you bought them.
definitely go archive though, you never know with GW.

>>95953188 (OP)
Help I’m newish to painting and I can’t decide on colors for the rest of my burning bone boys

>this thread is up for a couple days
>new ianmstanding video
Yeah I'm thinking Warmaster is BACK baby!

>>95983861
are the flagrant homosexuals in here with us?

I want an army of naked Amazons, what army is the best to represent that?
Part of me wants to do orcs and goblins, but people might get confused because they're humans and I want to avoid that.

>>95988792
TWO new videos actually. we are back.

>>95989480
I've seen that done with lizard men. but Albion might be a decent option.

>>95988020
i already checked the delves and lizardmen I bought. They are still available for download if you purchased them

>>95988969
You're here.
OP is here.
This fuckwit >>95988721
who posted in the wrong thread is here.
I'm here.
So yes. The flagrant prancing lalahomo men are calling from inside the house.

>>95989480
anything with a lot of lightly armoured infantry will work. old amazons could ride cold ones so maybe DE? make the bulk of the army witch elves and dark riders (little to no armor), have your min spears, bows and cold ones rep some kind of queen's elite guard or some shit like that.
really any mortal army with base troops at 0 or 6+. just depends what kind of special units and magic you want. araby, albion, goblins, cathay, nippon, WH, beastmen. all could work.

>>95990880
I do love witch elves, and 10mm amazons have been a pain in the ass to find.

>>95994229
spellcrow has a range of female barbarians

How do you guys store and transport your warmaster armies?

>>95995099
most WM units are less than an inch tall even with banners and spears and shit. So you can use shit like art boxes, pencil cases, tackle boxes, whatever's convenient. just add magnets or foam to prevent shit sliding around and you're set.

>>95995099
My entire army fits in one of those flambeau boxes. I think I paid $3 for it.

>>95994358
spellcrow's 10mm is stupid expensive. they basically price everything as if it was a character pack. makes it impossible to build an army with just their stuff even if you're very spendy.

I've been searching for a game to run games which are essentially rank and flank, but where you could have
>Formations of troops vs formations of troops
>Heroes vs heroes
>Sending heroes like a wrecking ball into an enemy formation, that they may not beat all by themselves but are able to keep them disorganised and busy so that you can get your formation to reach them and finish the job
And maybe also have the hero fight amongst an allied formation, enhancing its stats.
Kinda like Dynasty Warrior, or the more recent Fire Emblem
The idea was to use it to run the Illiad or other battles from the Homeric age.
Would this be the right system for that?

>>96000269
you'd need to come up with some kind of homebrew minigame for hero on hero duels. that kind of thing is uncommon in rank n flank because in settings with more realism (and yeah, "more realism" here is fucking warhammer, which is wild) the scale is too large for the actions of individuals to do more than influence the local combat. so like technically you might have two heroes meeting up and dueling within the melee and that influences the outcome of a fight, but it's buried in the abstraction of their orders and the bonuses they bring to the units.

so what you'd probably have to do if you wanted Ajax vs Hector type crap is add some kind of challenge system on top of that where if one hero bumps in to another in the open field they have a little mini-fight at the end of the command phase at that has some morale impact on units that see it go down. it's do-able. warmaster's a pretty hackable system thanks to its stat simplicity and solid balance.

>>96000269
I think this is just regular WHFB and other mainline GW games anon. the only part of this that's in warmaster is the "join a unit to boost its stats" part. the one man army superhero shit would fit right in Age Of Sigmar or Old World though.

>>96000269
If you also like Highlander, I'd recommend Wargods of Aegyptus/Olympos.

>>96000269
>>96003943
/awg/ has a ton of games that might be of interest. wargods was a great one.

>>95995099
stuff like pic related you can get at any office supply or walmart or whatever. as long as it has a locking top and a flat bottom. drill magnets in to your bases and put some steel sheet inside. add a little thin foam around the walls. most units take up 40mm by 60mm so just figure out how large and how many you need.
the other option is to go for somethin like a chessex case and have each stand inhabit one of the slots for a 25/28mm guy.

>>96003587
there were also older editions of WHFB where heroes were strong enough to act independent of units. The only downside being that they could be too strong

>>96005791
the current whfb (old world) is very much a herohammer / monsterhammer edition. so it's perfect for what anon is looking for.
warmaster isn't going to work. it makes heros and lords too abstract.

I really dislike the 20x40 bases for warmaster. It leaves no space for any creativity in laying out your figures. While a shield wall for dwarves make sense, I cannot comprehend orks, zombies or demons forming such straight, uniform lines.

>>96006487
there's plenty of room, anon. strips are just for convenience when painting. they're not a rule.
strip infantry are normally only about 7 or 8mm deep so you end up with a decently large buffer. lots of strips are broken up in to 2s and 3s, and there are millions of options for single figures too. with infantry that dont have wide poses you can get up to 7 wide and three deep. you have the option to make bases as disorganized and sparse or crowded as you like. how did you think anons who have mounted officers among the infantry or little dioramas on the lead stand of a unit were doing it?

>>96000269
Check out midgard, it's pretty period agnostic and has sample army lists for Trojans and Greeks

>>96006487
>I really dislike the 20x40 bases for warmaster. It leaves no space for any creativity in laying out your figures.
>It leaves no space for any creativity in laying out your figures.
I think it's just you, anon

>>96007244
>how did you think anons who have mounted officers among the infantry or little dioramas on the lead stand of a unit were doing it?
Illegally, under the cover of night, with curtains tightly drawn and lights turned off, in fear of the ever present watchful Eye of GW, always eager to ban any conversion or non-standard unit configuration in the name of their Most Holy Profit (PBUH).

>>96007605
i mean they don't fucking want people to know warmaster is a thing at all. it represents everything nuGW hates. half the reason they do so many takedown requests is just to keep peeps from seeing it exists.
>inexpensive to get into
>rules are good so no bitching for new edition
>no expansion required once an army is done
>scale wants minis too detailed for plastic
>and makes minis cheap/easy to print
>armies never go obsolete
>no aelfs, ougors or shaerks to trademark

>wargames Atlantic doing 10mm goblins and dwarf armies
Intrigued

>>96009635
Yeah, you only get the archer warg riders, no single wolves, and thankfully no loose tiny shields.

>>96009696
aww what. I kinda want single wolves. they look sick.

>>96009729
It was a production shot, the finalized frame looks like this. You get three of these a box.
An improvement over their ashigaru because no sadist connected tiny pikes to the frame.

>>96007249
Oh! Looks perfect! Thank you anon!

>>96009740
yo this. the goblin sprue is pretty solid.
the ashigaru were a nightmare. I just ended up cutting all the pikes down in to spears. whoever the fuck thought making pikes in plastic at that diameter is a monster. I get that people don't love the look of telephone poles, but telephone poles > broken fucking pikes.

Holding out hope some anon drops the trove of Forest Dragon minis for us

A year or two ago it was floating around /tg/ but I only downloaded the wood elves out of it. Those fucking files were hueg

>>96013910
Should have bought them. I did. Why wouldn't you want to buy them? They were good. And now you're here begging. Guess you're "stuck with" one of the other options.

Forest Dragon got the axe from GW. Does anyone have a full torrent of their stuff? i know there are telegram channels, but i'm looking for a comprehensive list

>>96016789
Toy knowledge, no one has shared the new Empire or Dwarf stuff.

>>96016789
>>96017200
>>96013910
he's still selling those anyway isn't he? the takedowns were pretty specific. mostly focused on vampires and elves, and specifically the characters that were obviously knocking off featured GW figs (mainly the named-character lookalikes).

>>96016789
>>96018363
His store is literally still live. There's like 3 models missing and it's all old shit. How does this qualify as "getting the axe".

>>96009740
the dwarf sprues were previewed too.
they've got ram cavalry.
https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/preview-classic-fantasy-battles-dwarven-host

>>96021933
You think WGA's undead are basically going to be egyptian themed to be mostly stand ins for tomb kings?

>>96021010
>Lizards gone
>High Elves gone
>Dark Elves gone
>Chaos Dwarfs gone
3 models huh

>>96023175
No fucking clue. It doesn't look like they're really going for warmaster compatibility. supposedly they're working on their own ruleset.

>>96023175
WGA 28mm skeletons are Greek, so that's what their 10mm models will be as well.

>>96023654
>Are Greek
>check my post at >>96023175
OH MY BAD. I don't know what I was thinking.

It's very impressive to me that none of the fanmade lists include shit from 7th edition onwards. Epic "fans" have managed to include shit like Centurions and some are even trying to fit Primaris in. Warmaster still feels like the 6th edition.

Good? People like the era and don't have shit taste. A community agreeing not to be total fags is another point in WMR's favor.

>>96023949
tons of the fan lists have that shit. the rules committee is just super slow to approve anything new for tournament play. the "new" armies are things that were in the testing army book in like 2010. the new units they're still debating are in many cases shit that was in 6th and got rules in the GW specialist games magazine.

>>96023654
>>96023663
they'll work fine for TK if you want to go that route.
it'd be pretty cool to do a greek-styled TK army for WM actually.

>>96023949
I don't hate epic's way of doing it. in epic usually the original list stays static, and players that want a "new shit" list make a separate one on a different theme. you don't just get everything jammed in one codex.

I think I'll buy some contrast-like paint, this scale looks perfect for that kind of thing

>>96023949

It's a result of the rosters being minimalist with only 8-10 units. Most of the post-7E releases are either fringe specialists or a twist that does something that was already covered by an existing unit. When you only have a limited number of unit entries, you have to focus on the core and so you get old-style army lists.
That said I'd be 100% happy seeing some 7E creep in where it adds something new. The VC Varghulf is the first thing that comes to mind because it adds something totally new to the faction but is unlikely to significantly upset the existing balance.
Chaos Dwarfs getting an Iron Daemon profile would also be awesome but there's nothing actually wrong with the current ruleset.

>>96029386
Get the medium (whether Contrast, Speedpaint or other brand) to play with mixing, much more useful than the paints themselves.

>spellcrow amazons arrived
Yeah they look nice, but this is one stands worth. I'll need two more packs for one unit, and at point I blew $40.
Does Pendraken sell some? I know Baccus does but those are 6mm.

>>96031646
Thanks anon, I'll keep it in mind. Lizardmen look perfect for this kind of thing

>>96036384
yeah the spellcrow shit is stupid expensive. if you're going that route use them for characters and front ranks / command.

pendraken doesn't have amazons (although I think they used to... maybe relisted under a different name), but they have their DE witches that might serve. they also have a few flavors of historical colonial natives (zulu, plains war, indians, etc) that might provide some options.
I'll let you know if I think of any others.

>>96036384
Haven't checked Pendraken's site in years, but they have a shit ton of stuff for 10mm. They surely have something you can use. Also, check Magister Militum

>>96036384
there's gotta be some printable ones carried by some fucker.
speaking of, spellcrow previewed some orc shit. itll be expensive like always but fuck I think I need those trolls. the boss is sick too

>>96038917
>Magister Militum
Thanks, I'll see what they got.
All things fail these girls can be a unit of Arabyan guard infantry.

>>95976675
I have been summon!
Tell me where to upload my excel file and I'll share it.
I just printed them in letter size sheet (why letter? because those are common in my third world country)

>>96042002
I think Anakonda's Amazons got added to regiments of renown too, so in theory they can run with any ally (I forget who amazons hate but probably just chaos)

>>96042002
>>96042101
yeeees, they're in. only special rule is 15cm throwing weapons. but they work for everybody. amazons dont give a fuck apparently.

With the UK getting taken over by Muslims will Araby become playable?

>>96043042
what the fuck is wrong with Araby? you've got flyers, monsters, three flavors of cav. average in everything else but lacking in none. the only thing you can legitimately complain about is not having cannon.
holy crap dude, try playing an actually broken army like beastmen or goblins for a decade and we'll talk.

>>96043042
>>96043218
>Araby
>basic human minimum halbs and bows
are shit for the same reason they're shit in empire. and here you have no arty.

>royal guards
decent for the points but huscarls they are definitely not

>horses and camels
this one I'll grant is a point for araby. having access to light cav, true missile cav and knights in one list is the shit. spamming the fuck out of cav is the easiest way to make an araby list that actually works.

>carpet riders
yeah they're flyers that can shoot but they're saddled with the same downsides as DoW birdmen. better than no flyers though.

>elephant brigade
big shit smashing monsters, but also nearly as expensive as dragon ogres. and they have their own version of a Giant Does Stupid Shit table that somehow ends up being even worse most of the time. and no they cant shoot even though whatever elephant you have probably has archers modeled on top (unless its the original one).

>bunch of basic bitch characters
at least they have a selection of weird mounts with comical, shitty downsides. like a terror mount for your hero that cant join cavalry.

>the spell list
one of the better parts of the army. fireball and storm are both decent. mirage is goofball shit but can be pretty fun if you get creative with it and the enemy doesn't have hounds or other cheap fast stuff. curse is only worth it if you're rolling with the genie.

>>96043967

Anon you seem to be under the impression that Araby is not a top-tier army that regularly stomps the table.
There is nothing unplayable about them.

>>96044830
I'm personally under the impression that no one ever fields them. NTA, but everything Warmaster I've ever seen is either Empire, Vampires, or any of the elf armies Forest Dragon made.

>>96044833
>people tend to play factions with excellent and easily available complete sets of 3D printing files
Gee, I wonder how that could happen.

>>96044963
Araby also has historicals and 3d prints.

>>96044963

Araby has great modelling support though. GSM does a full range which is excellent quality*. You've also got Polish Lightning doing a dedicated range, plus an infinite number of historicals.

>>96044833
Araby have always seemed to be one of the more common armies for me, although that's only since GSM took them. Vampires, High Elves and Chaos at the top though.

*Apart from the general being Sigvald. I understand why he did it but its still a very odd choice.

>>96045077

Wakes Emporium also has a few 10mm LotR kits that would work very well for the infantry.
> Haradrim archers & Spearmen
> Mumakil elephants
> Easterling guards

All the cavalry would need converting but you can probably splice them with GSM without too much grief. They might be in the pipeline for later releases anyway.

>>96044833
there's enough armies that it's pretty likely any local meta will have gaps. my most common opponents are TK, Lizardmen and Chaos / Beastmen. and recently a new nippon.

>>96044963
really the tendency is still "the factions with a first gen army". even after all this time, the original 6 are still the most played, but
>people tend to play factions with excellent and easily available complete sets of 3D printing files
are there really any that doesn't apply to anymore? feels like there's between one and three complete printable armies for every faction. I guess like witchhunters and cathay/nippon don't have as much all-in-one. but all the human factions can crutch hard on historicals and there's a fuckton of those.

>>96045077
outside GSM, cromarty has some good elephants for the carthaginians and numidians. camels are the trickiest to find. if you're ok with non-printed, tbline did some good ones.

>>96044830
araby is fine. they cover all bases, have average command, most units are just OK and a couple things are really good. which is as much as any army can ask for.
it was really this anon >>96043042 who inexplicably thinks araby sucks

>>96044833
Wake doing LotR led to a comically large number of played simultaneously deciding to proxy Araby as Haradrim and Easterlings.

apparently FD brets are getting put back up already. this is going to end up being the biggest nothing burger since the last stl panic.

>>96054927

Wait, what was taken down from brets? It's generic AF as a concept

>>96054927
I mean he did say he was going to put the various armies back up once they were C&D compliant. It's just a matter of waiting until he does.

>>96054927
>FD brets are getting put back up already
The question is what will be changed. Part of FD's appeal for me was having oldhammer models in 10mm, also the very reason GW bit them.

>>96055502
my bet would be the green knight. that was basically the perry one scale down with no changes.

>>96055605
I mean not really. FD brets were the ones everyone bitched did not look like the old ones when they came out. and there's also roughly 400 options for 10mm alternatives for most things in the army thanks to /hwg/.

Can anyone recommend sculptors that do full ranges for warmaster? Kinda like Highlands minis does for Old World where he makes pretty much all the units available for an army. Especially Chaos Dwarves, always wanted to play them in fantasy but haven't really seen any good 32mm scale stuff.

>>96061441

Forest Dragon- Empire, Chaos, Orcs, High Elves*, Dwarfs, Lizardmen*, Bretonnia, Dark Elves*, Vampire Counts, Chaos Dwarfs*, Wood Elves
Green Skin Minis- Tomb Kings, Orcs, Skaven, Kislev, Araby, Ogre Kingdoms, Goblins, Beastmen
Varus Miniatures- Dwarfs, Daemons of Nurgle, Dogs of War
MiniRat Studios- Empire, Dogs of War
Cromarty Forge**- Empire, Dwarfs, Skaven, Lizardmen, Norse, Norse-style Tomb Kings, Nippon
Ankylo Miniatures- Skaven, Daemons of Tzeentch, Ogre Kingdoms, old-style Chaos Dwarfs

*STL files are currently unavailable as they are being reworked but you can still find physical prints from sellers.
**Very stylized and not GW aesthetics

For Chaos Dwarfs you want to find Forest Dragon but he has just been nuked by GW legal. Also look at MeshyMesh for some alternative War machine options.

>>96061441
>>96062069
there's a few others worth knowing (not all 100% ranges, but still good shit)
Onmioji - kislev, TK, chaos, lots of random 1-offs for different armies
Tordo - demons, nippon, TK, some empire and kislev
polish lightning - cathay, DoW, kislev

one nice thing about CD is you have a lot of choices for orcs and (hob)gobs and thats most of the army.

>>96045077
Honestly never even considered Araby but I like these enough that I kinda wanna

are elephant squads actually good? or too expensive?

>>96068678

Hit and miss, and very matchup-dependent.
In terms of sheer hitting power they are one of the hardest units in the game. Charging with 21 attacks and inbuilt terror will obliterate things. However, they are also 200pts and slow. They are horribly vulnerable to magic spells that slow or prevent charges and they are such an obvious target. It largely comes down to whether your opponent can reliably stop them with spells; they're either 200pts of deadweight or the best monsters in the game.

>>96070619
probably just one max then, yeah?
buy more of the regular cavalry and let them do the heavy lifting

>>95953188 (OP)
any good soul have some links for some GW minis for 3d print?!

>>96076703
wrong thread, goober

>>96076881
why my douche nozzle?

>>96021933
>From this box you can build the following
>72 spear dwarves (6 bases)
>36 sword dwarves (3 bases)
>36 axe dwarves (3 bases)
>36 battleaxe dwarves (3 bases)
>36 crossbow dwarves (3 bases)
>12 ram riders (6 bases)
>15 command
Why would they give a dwarf army that many spears? Not a single fucking unit of handgunners, either?

Just who are they trying to sell these to?

>>96079980
warriors are warriors, doesn't matter what mix of arms they have.
but you do realize this is for a different game right? the sprues can be used for warmaster, but they're not MADE for warmaster. at least not whfb lists. if they were going for any secondary customer at all it was probably the BoFA / LotR people.

>>96080214
You do realize you're in the Warmaster thread, anon? If you want to argue they're not for Warmaster that's fine, but they were posted here and if a company is making fantasy miniatures in 10mm with similar aesthetics to Warhammer then it's pretty obvious what customer base they're after.

Pedantry aside, mixing one row of weapons with another on the same base looks retarded.

>>96080381
I'm not arguing they're not for warmaster. WGA is explicitly making them for their own mass battle game.
>pretty obvious what market they're going for
other than their own? probably HotT or any of the other mini-agnostics. it's not shocking they're not building specifically for a niche deadgame from 20 years ago.

>my brain damage won't let me mix weapons in a unit
skill issue. there's plenty of historical precedent for mixed arms in units. not everything has to be videogamey shit.

>>96079980
people who want to play Battle of Five Armies

>>96080467
all 3 of them

Bros, I’m thinking about recreating battle masters in Warmaster. The BM Wikipedia article lists all the units each side had and quantity. I’m thinking I’ll 3x each one, so Chaos would get 3 chaos knights, 6 chaos warriors, 6 orcs, etc.

For imperials, since there isn’t a “lord knight” unit, may go steam tanks. For the ogre champ, may do chaos ogres.

Some other weird ones - BM had chaos archers. May use Jezzails in lieu of. Likewise on the imperial side, archers will be crossbows and the crossbow will be hand gunners.

This approach gives the chaos side close to 3300 in points, while imperials are at 2900. Will sprinkle in lords and heroes, etc, which should easily get chaos up to 3600. I’ll probably need to add in more stuff for imperials plus characters etc to get them to 3600, maybe some dwarf or elf allies?

Idk, just getting into Warmaster and while painting up my chaos army I got this wild hair up my ass to do this. What do you all think? Any thoughts/suggestions from the vets?

>>96013910
christ sake just goto telegram, not that difficult.

>>96043042
doubt it

>>96082646
this was answered already. Araby is not only playable, it's above average. stop bitching and learn to play.

>>96081630
This is a sick idea. Best advice I can give is not to be afraid of going more abstract with what counts as what. Warmaster is super fucking forgiving about reasonably close proxies.

>>96076881
>>95953188 (OP)
For anyone interested in GW minis for 3d print it can be found on rutracker. They have a collection of like 80 something GB of STLs

>>96083141
>>96076703
redshirts go home