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Chili Dogs Edition

>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed) (embed)

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

TQ: What's your favorite Commander gimmick?

MTG x Sonic the Hedgehog Secret Lair
Sonic the Hedgehog
Super State
Shadow the Hedgehog
Miles “Tails” Prower
Knuckles the Echidna
Amy Rose
Dr. Eggman

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>95963552
https://moxfield.com/decks/G7l_yHNEs0SLF74AALnYaA
>32 land counting mdfc
>a fucking sideboard in edh

>>95966565
>each spell you cast has split second if mana from an artifact was spent to cast it
I can already see the commander getting bullied out of the table.

>>95966742
>your kill spells can't be countered and can't be responded to
depending on your deck you might actually want the shadow player to stick around to deal with the izzet bastard

>>95966565
Alright time to build an awful cEDH deck centered around Praetor's Grasping Thoracle.

I can't believe WotC ruined Sonic.

>>95966533 (OP)
Cool, more cards I can't own

>>95966533 (OP)
>3 different secret lairs
I feel like at that point you just go all in and do Hero and Dark precon decks. Not like there's not enough sonic characters to fill them out.

>>95966742
I think they're just trying to implement a time stop effect, because that's his thing.

>>95966533 (OP)
>Sonic drops rings when you damage him
No notes

I'm a bit confused on how the timing of this works, if I use Ether to cast a miracle I drew on my opponent's turn, do I get to copy the miracle, or is it too late?

>>95967184
Ether's ability is a mana ability. It doesn't use the stack and can't be responded to. The Miracle gets copied.

>>95966963
I'm okay with scalpers and influencers buying all this slop up because that means I won't have to see it at the table.

>>95967200
Thanks

Is shadow legacy or vintage playable? The 4 colored mana makes me think no but i feel it could be insane

>>95966565
What's some actual jank you can pull of with this nigga?

>>95967387
>making your spells unable to be interacted with
>jank
You UBniggers are tourists and don't know what words mean.

>>95967878
I know what spit second does anon, I'm asking for funny interactions

>>95967885
>I'm asking for funny interactions
1. molten duplcation+dualcaster mage infinite tokens
2. do not attack
3. they all get sacrificed
4. you draw all your cards and deck yourself
5. you die
now THAT is funny

>>95967958
Suicide decks are kino.

>>95967210
You'll just see proxies instead. It is what I am doing

>Shadow players when casting a Split-second Blasphemous Act to wipe the Wilhelt player's zombie tokens off the board

>>95967885
Expect no intelligence from no gaems anti-UB types

>>95966533 (OP)
I am so fucking sick of the new-reserve list of IPs

>tfw gundam is getting saved from vehicale/spaceship mtg hell with its own tcg

>>95966555
>>95966565
>>95966573
>>95966582
>>95966587
>>95966596
Delete this

>>95966587
Finally, mtg has an attractive female character.

>>95968173
This doesn't save shit

>>95966573
this art is bad.

>>95967339
nah
if you desperately want to make something uncounterable there are way better options than spending BBRR on a 4/2

>>95968066
Then share some jank for your fellow slopper :^)

>>95968173
I don't think having a Japanese card game protects things from MTG. MTG is not super popular in Japan and these Japanese games have virtually no players outside of one piece. It makes sense to try and double dip in both markets.

>>95968414
>buying SLD
Ew

>>95968429
>I'm just a silly little provocateur
Thrilling discourse you mouth breather

>>95968418
Ill sweat when something like DBZ or One Piece gets a UB.

>>95968173
Final Fantasy already had it's own cardgame

>>95966533 (OP)
>What's your favorite Commander gimmick?
I wish they made more eminence cards. And ones with effects that give your opponents things while they're in the command zone.

>>95966565
I for one look forward to split second ad nauseums and peer into the abysses

>>95966977
LIVE AND LEARN

>sonic secret lair
>not a single emerald card

One job

I am not buying this shit.

>>95966533 (OP)
>TQ: What's your favorite Commander gimmick?
I unapologetically love the idea of Partner, but I feel that every time they've tried it seems like they just gets worse and worse
>Half of the C16 Partners are stupidly broken (Thrasios, Tymna, etc) while the other half are unplayable garbage by comparison (Reyhan, Kraum), all of them enable stupid 4c goodstuff piles regardless
>Bring it back for Commander Legends, but in a completely neutered manner since they're afraid to make them close to the powerlevel the original 15 were, only like 5 are really played (Rograkh, Sakashima/Krark, Kediss, Kodama of the East Tree) out of the 56 they made
>Make "Partner With" as a band-aid, the original pairs from Battlebond are barely ever played asides from the coinflip duo and and the only pairs after them that are actually played regularly are Haldan/Pako and Frodo/Sam.
>Make the Stranger Things SL with "Friends Forever" as another bandaid, this time so that they only mesh with themselves and you can't make a 5-color commander combo with Eleven and Sidar Kondo

Backgrounds though I totally fuck with however. They feel a bit more flexible in what you can do with your deck since it opens up a lot more venues for theorycrafting. Take Ganax for example, you can build him with:
>Far Traveler to blink a bunch of dragons and kill with Scourge of Valkas
>Feywild Visitor to lean into making a bunch of faerie dragon tokens and do weird creature type shit with Reflections of Littjara and Kindred Discovery
>Agent of the Iron Throne and use that treasure production to win via the background itself along with Reckless Fireweaver effects
>Guild Artisan and make a treasure-focused deck and win via Hellkite Tyrant
>Acolyte of Bahamut and play plain-old Gruul Dragons.

I think it's design space that they should go back to at some point, even if it's just a cycle of creatures with Choose a Background and some matching Backgrounds in some future set.

>>95972996
very based take, Backgrounds are really fun. The guy talking to me about mono-red dragons yesterday made me consider swapping Dragonhawk to Ganax + Guild Artisan as a treasure deck.

>been busy with life, work, legal shit, and buying a house for the past year or so
>every so often, think I should update my decks and get a game going again
>look at the cards released since the last time I updated my lists and remember why I haven’t gotten around to it yet
One of these days, surely, I’ll have the energy to overcome this bullshit

Rules question:

>simic ascendancy upkeep, has 20 triggers, win con on the stack
>I cast return the favor, copying the win trigger

Do I win? Does it check if I have a simic ascendancy or if the original does?

>>95973242
How are you going to win off of of a "your upkeep" trigger on your opponent's upkeep anon?

>>95973242
>>95973326
It's not even that, "You win the game" isn't a targeted effect that can be redirected. You is shorthand for "this card's controller"

>>95966533 (OP)
>sonic the hedgehog set
>rouge the bat? no! titties are scary and offensive! no waifus allowed anymore!
>lets have an airplane no one even knows has a name, a dime-a-dozen nameless goon that doesn't actually make minibots reskinned as myr battlesphere, and ANOTHER fucking reprint of sol ring

Fine, Wokezards of the Coast, I will do your job for you.

>>95973334
So I went to look up things about stealing wincons like Thoracle using the copy mode (not the redirect mode) and a number of them actually seem to be able to be copied and stolen, but Simic Ascendancy has the specific catch-22:

If it is your opponent's upkeep and it triggers and you copy it, it is not your upkeep and it will not go off.
If it is your upkeep, it is not triggering so you cannot copy it.

The idea is if you copy it it's higher on the stack than the original trigger and thus if the conditions are met, your win the game trigger goes off before theirs, but Simic Ascendancy doesn't have a trigger that works when you copy it.

>>95973386
What? No.

>win trigger is on the stack, the originating source(20 counter simic ascendancy your opponent controls) is the reference.

It checks the last known information (even if removed), if it has 20 counters, the first ability to resolve wins.

Since copying adds the ability onto the stack after the original, the copy will resolve, it will check if it had 20 counters, then you win.

>>95973427
He's failing to understand how intervening "if" works.

>>95973470
Maybe you could just explain it instead of snickering like a schoolboy about it; then I wouldn't have to be scraping through the comprehensive rules to figure out if you're being a retard or I am.

Don't bother now I looked it up.

>>95966763
*Counters or kills the 4-mana 2-toughness no protection do-nothing*
Now what whiteboy?

>>95966977
Don't they usually do three or two secret lairs for this kind of thing? Even Ghost Busters had two of them.

>>95973156
>There really aren't as many appearing in media as you think, anon.

>don't believe your lying eyes
Great input, gaslight-kun

>>95973570
Name 10 different currently running franchises with confirmed trans characters that aren't do-nothing easily interchangeable side characters.

>>95966555
buy an ad

Thoughts on Brawl?

>>95973597
>buy an add for official mtg content

>>95973601
>what if edh but with 1% of the cards and it rotates
even just playing it for free on arena made me feel ripped off

>>95973601
Arena brawl? It's kind of fucked but I'm glad it exists. I use it as a tool to try out new commanders I'm interested in before I commit to a paper build. Weeded out several bad commanders that just weren't any fun after playing them in brawl for a few days. As a format it's just fucked by insane alchemy cards.

>>95973334
lmao
>my wincon triggers
>actually I'll... Return the Favor
>ok I win twice lol

>>95973617
Don't forget planeswalkers in the command zone with all their best answers banned.

In case you miss it because these thread bakes are a mess right now, Ripper Appreciation Bro:
>>95973429
>>95973447

Triggered abilities with an "if" clause (AKA most abilities that say "you win the game") check their requirements twice.
>At start of timing, to see if they're put on the stack
>At point of resolution, to see if the requirement is still met so you can win
This means copying an ability that says "If X, you win the game" means YOU (the person copying the ability) still needs to meet the requirements. Otherwise the copied ability goes to resolution and sees you don't meet the requirement, thus doing nothing.

>>95973582
>that aren't do-nothing easily interchangeable side characters
Nice caveat, faggot. I especially appreciate how fucking nebulous your arbitrary condition is so even if I jump through the hoop for you, you can still argue about the examples given.

Why don't you just ACK yourself instead of trying to LARP as le master gaslighter?

https://moxfield.com/decks/9WlQenSvGUy6eMVASHXfKw

Thoughts?

>>95973518
*plays [Cavern of Souls] naming Hedgehog
Heh, nothin' personal kid.

>>95973653
concession accepted

>>95973668
Didn't read. I cast Summary Dismissal.

>makes legendary token
>isn't legendary
why

Sex with goblins

They need to add commander specific metagaming tokens.


I.e.
each player has one of these(no balance consideration atm) that they can give out at any time. They dont come back when used.


>armistice
Until beginning of your next turn, you gain protection from the owner of this card

>attack pact
You may change the target of a spell or ability that the owner of this card controls to a target neither player controls. Or re-declare attacking creatures the owner of this card controls.

>favor
Gain control of a non-commander permanent or spell the owner of this card controls.

Should I try and make him work, or just plat feather

>>95973717
Use them both and swap commanders depending on who you're playing with and then you have 2 decks in one.

>>95973717
If you are buffing allies, feather, if you are slinging burn and removal spells use him

Can you gents help me find something very niche? Basically I am looking for a commander where I can literally one shot people from out of nowhere like a sledgehammer, such as X spells. But also not be locked to one game plan, have multiple ways to do something wacky in the game.

>>95973763
Her. If you want to win with x spells then she's your girl. If you want to splash in some hydras as well then she's also your choice. Pretty much any kind of x spells she makes much more impactful. She gets insane with those and untapping things.

>Sonic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujcjnEO-YKU

Meld in the command zone, what could go wrong?!

>>95973763
Assuming you don't mean out of nowhere literally. You can play equipments with it, buff spells, untap abilities, any creatures you like basically, and it can threaten lethal damage pretty easily.

Tuktuk Rubblefort plus Glyph of Destruction is cool.

>>95973709
Where can I follow you for more absolutely dogshit takes?

>>95973811
Why don't they just have partner

>>95973691
just add it to the 99 of shorikai or tetzin deck or something.

>>95973839
God hates us

>>95973691
so you can't use a token doubler to get 2
just rule 0 it, if they say no they're fags you don't want to play with anyway

>>95973691
This card makes me so fucking mad
>Make actual voltron card after an entire archetype has been named after it
>Can't be used as commander cause vehicle
>Change rules specifically so vehicles can be commanders
>Holy shit that one voltron card they made years ago is finally going to get its time in the sun let's check it ou-
>It isn't legendary so you can't use it as a commander
>It's a rare so it's not even like making it not legendary was a consideration for limited
But no, we're stuck with lame ass Shorikai, the uncoolest draw engine in the fucking world as the mecha commander. It's art is lame and the card is lame while also having a clause to break a rule before it was officially changed. Meanwhile this fucking awesome actual voltron flavor slam dunk is stuck as a nonlegendary bulk rare and likely will forever.

>>95973844
My mechtitan token took up too much of my budget for tetzin

>>95973695
>only reverse image search result is a 200x200 avatar for a chat AI
God has forsaken me

>>95973870
I think your google is broke, dawg

Thoughts on the last ride as greed in the command zone?

>>95973811
Have fun proxyanon, good luck

>>95973870
https://files.catbox.moe/jrfe41.jpeg
You suck at reverse searching

>>95973880
erebos is better

What's the oldest card you've built a deck for? Was it any fun?

>>95973904
For EDH? Sliver Overlord. It's fun but not good, as per Sliver standards.

>>95973817
Brion Stoutarm works great with colossus hammer as long as you've got an easy way to reequip.

>>95973839
they should have both. they can't even be played in the same deck unless you're playing a third card that's GB as your commander.

>>95973884
Thanks, no fucking clue what I'm going to do with a build, I just saw them at the lgs and thought it was a fun challenge

>>95973887
>goblin sex!
Why does this green elf want to see goblin sex so bad? is she a rape fetishist?

>>95973920
>they can't even be played in the same deck unless you're playing a third card that's GB as your commander.
Yes they can, Vanille's color identity is GB due to her ability

>>95973862
that's what proxying is for my dude. you're not bringing it to tournaments. richard garfield and mark rosewater aren't going to kick down the door and give you a noogie. Especially when they've literally given the community permission to proxy for that exact purpose.

>>95973904
I know it's uncreative token spam but it can have some really fun games.

>>95973931
even if she didn't have the B cost, she would still be GB because of the back, wouldn't she?

>>95973959
Does that mean fang is also g/b

>>95973965
I believe so

>>95973965
that she is
>color identity includes the backside, and any color indicators
but vanille is still the better commander since she can yank fang out of the grave

>>95973991
Wait fang is a she?

>>95973904

>>95973994
yeah lol
it's a common theory that fang was a guy during ff13's development but someone changed that at the last minute, and now they're gay

>>95973887
nona moth

>>95974007
he cute

>>95974007
kind of like how gwen tennyson was a love interest but then swapped at last minute to be cousin so now ben 10 has incest sexual tension vibes.

>>95974025
stop being Islamophobic

>>95974025
>>95974019
>>95974007
I thought this was just a feminine dude

>>95973959
>>95973965
>>95973981
>>95973991

Fang's color identity is only Black. There is a ruling on The Mightstone and Weakstone that specifically says the backside of Meld cards is not factored into color identity.
"In the Commander variant, a meld card's color identity is determined only by the mana costs and mana symbols in the rules text of its front face. No symbols or rules text of the permanent it melds into are considered."

>>95974040
wow that's double fucked up, I can't believe wotc could be so homophonic

>>95974049
no different from crypt ghast being legal in mono black despite orzhov hybrid mana, because it's in reminder text not rules text
it being called color "identity" is already pandering so much to alphabet people don't give them any more ammo kek

>>95974084
I don't see any white mana here

>>95974089
exactly wotc got tired of reminding people to ignore reminder text

>>95972996
backgrounds are just "hm what kind of buffs would people want on this commander" so no surprise it's a hit
"partner with" can be casual hits as long as they refer to popular IP like frodo and sam
otherwise "partner with" is just the same as "partner", which only leads to the sloppiest of value slop where people sometimes only get a partner for their colors and nothing else (rogsi)

>>95974084
Commander has existed since before the boom in popularity of identity politics.

>>95972996
Backgrounds are my favorite thing they've done in a long time. I would like to see 2c backgrounds personally but only if the choose a background commanders are never more than 1 color

>>95974119
og legends edh didn't have a concept called color identity because at the time hybrid mana, having color pips in rules text that aren't in the mana cost, and double faced cards didn't exist yet
they could've easily called color identity color "alignment", but alas

is cEDH any good?

>>95974037
She's more masculine than most "male" Final Fantasy protags, it's true.

>>95974133
>having color pips in rules text that aren't in the mana cost […] didn't exist yet
Bruh

>>95974162
As a mentality, it's fine. As a deckbuilding ethos it makes games more boring, not less boring.

Also a reminder: Ravnican nobles canonically pounded Teysa's pussy before she became the head of the Orzhov.

>>95974169
That is a mana cost, anon.

>>95974169
I hate zoomers so much shut the fuck up nigger

>>95974162
it's as good as the people you're playing with allow it to be
bad actors exist in every format but they make thing specially miserable in cEDH

>>95974176
Sedge Troll’s mana cost is 2R. The black mana symbol occurs only in the card’s rules text.

>>95974162
Do you want to play more edh games in one night or a stressful interactive game? Cedh
1 four hour beer and pretzel game? Other tiers.

>>95974176
It factually isn’t.
>202.1. A card’s mana cost is indicated by mana symbols near the top of the card. (See rule 107.4.) On most cards, these symbols are printed in the upper right corner. Some cards from the Future Sight set have alternate frames in which the mana symbols appear to the left of the illustration.
>202.1a The mana cost of an object represents what a player must spend from their mana pool to cast that card. Unless an object’s mana cost includes Phyrexian mana symbols (see rule 107.4f), paying that mana cost requires matching the type of any colored or colorless mana symbols as well as paying the generic mana indicated in the cost.

>>95974169
fair point i was thinking of legendary creatures with activated abilities when i typed that but still my point stands as the OG edh rules simply don't make any mention of "color identity"
https://orkerhulen.dk/onewebmedia/93_94%20old%20school%20EDH%20rules.pdf

>>95974162
cedh is like classical chess, except a fuckton faster and somehow still very drawish

>>95974162
it can be every now and then but it does feel like it gets old pretty fast

>>95974162
Seems boring from the outside looking in, there is definitely depth to laying and all that but I'd rather sit a bit below it where you can have optimized decks built around suboptimal strategies.

God I just want her to milk my cock with the most forcefull handjob. Just absolutely stimlatung you from orgasm to orgasm

>>95974162
Seems pretty shit, it's a very solved format with a big RNG element on seat order and the worst parts of FFA politics. Duel commander seems like a better time.

>>95974274
Too bad she's flat and dead now

>>95974292
Ghost blowjob, woo woo

>>95974315
I'm surprised there's no Ghost Teysa art. MtG really does get gigamogged by the other tcgs in terms of fanart.

>>95974280
Duel commander tries to be competitive and remove the volatility of FFA but at the same time has no casual appeal, no shock that it's mostly populated by sweats that have dippes in actual competitive formats already

commander to feel like pic related?

>>95974333
>fanart
The fanartists worth their salt are animefags that draw loli; absolutely haram to libtard wotc

>>95974341
Pick any legendary eldrazi
>no man i mean a monster with actual cthulu vibes
Then none and never, because lovecraft hated jews

>>95974232
>>95974213
The green pip is an ability which has a mana cost

>>95974359
Nice bias pedo.

>>95974359
What the company wants is irrelevant to the fanwork that gets produced. But tranime fags are inevitably just going to play the games made by japs anyway because thing = T-T, jap thing = -^0^-

>>95974341
Marit Lage. Sadly Dark Depths cannot be your commander.

>>95973763

>>95974396
>muh drawings!
Uh oh lib melty
Go run over people in gta5 to feel better kek
>>95974398
>what the company wants is irrelevant to the fanwork that gets produced
>the company wants no fanservice
>hell the compant wants females to look like males
>no fanart
>hurr durr anime sux?!
Kek

>>95974423
>A pedo thinks he can say anything to make him not look the worse in any situation
Commit suicide like the trannies to wish you could groom as well as.

>>95974434
>muh drawings in an anonymous anime forum!
You'll be roping yourself soon enough, troon

>>95974441
>No u!
Truly pathetic, there are no 5 year olds here to try and impress.

>>95974423
>>muh drawings!
If you jerk off to drawings of people being mutilated and murdered, I'm probably going to be concerned that you want to do that to real people. Why do you think the fact that it's a drawing shields you?

>>95974444
/vt/ and /vmg/ say hi btw
Know that the very thing you hate is right next door and by being with them you implicitly approve of them KEK

>>95974451
>muh moral grandstanding
Dont you have more people to run over in gta 5?

I would ban so many cards cedh would be unrecognizable.

>>95974458
>/vt/ and /vmg/
Oh that explains a lot

>>95974478
Reminder that wotc appealed to us through FF
Nothing in western 2d is worth shit

>>95974477
Counter spells are banned as they were a mistake made in alpha that shouldn't exist

>>95974485
Short memory, anon? We're getting an entire 2d western set later this year too.

>>95974487
No free counterspells.
All counterspells are conditional.
All cards can be countered.
All ward costs are life and/or mana only.
Hexproof and shroud act like ward that scales with MV of the card targeting them.

>>95974496
>he thinks transformers is made by westerners
Next time you'll say voltron isnt actually golion roru rumao

>>95966533 (OP)
Taking popular IPs like Sonic and then turning them into extremely frustrating to get SLD stuff just feel counter productive.

>>95974466
If you jerk off to running over people in GT5, that is concerning.
Do you understand how its the jerking off bit that changes the context a smidge?

>>95974500
It is, outsourced sweatshop animation doesn't suddenly make something like the Simpsons anime because a team of 200 koreans were paid to animate it. Western franchise through and through. There have been times where the japs made some of it (armada and the mtg cards aren't using the armada designs) but it's a pure western cartoon to the core.

>>95974505
>what is FOMO?
You'll always queue for the next one.

Any other cards that do damage when you discard?

>>95974526
How about you learn to use Scryfall?

>>95974525
If I am a sonic fan who has never played magic but considered it due to this? No, I think I'll likely get pissed off, decide not to play, and then bad mouth the game. I guess it works if you have no intention of growth and just want to strangle what you have now.

>>95973601
It was fun but no one contains a deck or plays

All tutors cost a minimum of 4 (this includes land tutors) and are always sorcery speed.

>>95974526
Glint horn buccaneers

>>95974517
>being a gooner is bad
>btw i frequent 4chan which is full of gooners and other undesirables of society
>but trust me i'm not one of them
Kek
>>95974524
Yes and china should forever be the manufacturing company of the world because they simply make things faster and cheaper than those dumb inefficient usa people they replace, duh

>>95974524
Tranformers One flopped anon, let it go
Nobody likes TF anymore

cedh just need tighter deck building requirements.
>2 tutors
>3 fast mana cards
Etc

>>95974535
>I guess it works if you have no intention of growth and just want to strangle what you have now.
Buddy they don't give a fuck whether you join the playerbase or not. They either have your money or they don't.
The whole Universes Beyond strategy is just throwing darts. Their aim is to land a bullseye every now and then (like Final Fantasy allegedly was) and make a billion dollars more than they normally would because materialistic spergs will pay out the ass to own any form of collectible with their favorite characters on them.
Half the time they're not going to bullseye, they're going to print cards with an IP that doesn't make them a billion dollars, but they hope their retard playerbase will support them through those times just because they want new and powerful cards.

They couldn't give less of a fuck whether you as an individual get your cards and join the playerbase, as long as enough people are FOMO'd into selling out in 3 hours because they have an addiction to collectibles or want to speculate on wildly inflated prices selling second-hand to those that do have an addiction to collectibles.

>>95974563
I do, and seeing as my opinion is the only one that matters here I will hear no objections raised to the contrary.

>>95974569
The moral lesson here is that you should've gatekept harder

>>95974565
tutor in the command zone + free spells

>>95974553
>>being a gooner is bad
Porn addiction isn't healthy, but no, I said jerking off to running people over in GTA5 is bad.
I said that because you tried to compare you jerking off to drawings of children to playing violent games in GTA5, choosing to ignore that the problem is that you jerk off to something deviant.
Your defense mechanism is to say that everyone is secretly just like you. They're not, and you need to get out of your bubble that makes you think that they are and seek professional help before you do harm to real children- if you haven't already.

>>95974579
Would that it were under my control. What can you do when the company itself backstabs the entire player base to sell ads as cards?

No I will NOT sleeve my deck, that is unnatural.
Cry about it.

>>95974589
In truth your defense mechanism is that nobody can ever be as pure as you, therefore you have all the justification in the world to tell people what they can or cant do
Being such an authoritarian lib whitey wont do you any good anon, the tide is already turning and here you are still oblivious

>>95974451
>If you jerk off to drawings of people being mutilated and murdered, I'm probably going to be concerned that you want to do that to real people.
That's an illogical concern.

>>95974569
Which is just terrible business. Hasbro seems pretty bad at the entire business thing.
Might be why their stocks got downgraded, they have almost entirely died in the toy realm, and they are solely propped up by a singular product.

>KEK

>>95974579
I didn't care to get a lifetime WPN ban.

>>95974589
Porn addiction isn't a real thing

>>95974589
If we're going to think of the children i'd like to say that me buying real cards feeds the children of employees while proxyfags make those children starve to death
another arugment that shits on proxyfags, thanks anon!

>>95974616
>In truth your defense mechanism is that nobody can ever be as pure as you
If the bar for purity is not jerking off to drawings of children, mutilation and murder, or running over people in GTA5, I think you're setting quite a low bar.
>>95974619
In what was is that illogical? You sexually stimulate yourself to mutilation and murder. Why would anyone have any reason to believe that you would stop at drawings? Because you say so? I think you'd have an interest in lying about that.
>>95974652
What a bizarre response to "jerking off to children is wrong actually"

>>95974451
That's pretty nonsensical ngl

>>95974619
>>95974664
Samefag.

>>95974663
>In what was is that illogical? You sexually stimulate yourself to mutilation and murder. Why would anyone have any reason to believe that you would stop at drawings?
This would be sexually stimulating to the CONCEPT of mutilation and murder, not the demonstration thereof. You are making a leap in expectation; this is inherently illogical.
In the first place, nothing in fiction affects reality. It's a baseless assertion. Humans are intellectual life forms capable of recognizing that what is not real is not real.

>>95974669
Negative. I am far too autistic to type "ngl" even in an ironic manner.

>>95974680
>nothing in fiction affects reality.
Humans are intellectual life forms capable of recognizing that what is not real is not real.
Both are false statements.

>>95974663
Your inability to differentiate fact from fiction is hilarious
No wonder you think men can be women

>>95974692
You need to talk to a therapist if you believe this. This errs dangerously close to actual, unironic schizophrenia if you believe that which is not real can be real.

>>95974663
So what does it mean if I jack off to mutilation and murder but my fantasy is being the victim? Does this make me suicidal instead?

>>95974663
Hey man just admit that me buying real cards save more kids than any proxyfag
Fuck you must be a proxyfag yourself that's why you're this delusional

what is even happening

>>95974700
People are children and very easily influenced by media.

>>95974722

>>95974722
Anon can't tell fiction from reality and thinks killing people in games is killing people in real life.

>>95974729
No, they are not. Video games do not cause violence, anon.

>>95974729
If people are children doesnt that make everyone a lolicon?
Bwahhahahhahahahhaha

>>95974733
Yes they are. People are sheep and easily brainwashed. Sub 100 IQ people can't even fathom hypotheticals. The idea of a rational human actor is a fiction of enlightenment/liberal retardation.

>>95974680
>This would be sexually stimulating to the CONCEPT of mutilation and murder,
If you're jerking off to a "concept" then it's even less tethered to the art itself, which would make it even more questionable where you draw the line.
>In the first place, nothing in fiction affects reality.
You are not fictional. You are not jerking it to something that is purely fictional. Murder and mutilation are not fictional, and you are jerking it to them.
>Humans are intellectual life forms capable of recognizing that what is not real is not real.
Why would their ability to distinguish what is real and what isn't have anything to do with whether they draw the lines at jerking off to non real depictions of a thing that is real?

If you jerk off to anime women, there would be no reason to assume that you don't jerk off to real women. It is actually more illogical to assume that your attraction to women exists solely in drawn form.
>>95974696
As above, samefag.
>>95974712
>So what does it mean if I jack off to mutilation and murder but my fantasy is being the victim?
>"b-b-but I want to be the little girl!!!!!"
Yeah this is 4chan buddy, you're not the first pedo I've heard try this one. How about you let the judge decide?

>>95974747
>people are dumb and must be controlled
>ofc i'll be the one in charge
Wowzers!

>>95974749
I don't think the judge is gonna do shit anon since mutilation and murder stuff isn't illegal.

>>95974751
Did I say I should be in charge?

>>95974722
There is this one autist who goes into turbo damage control mode when anyone calls him out on anything ever

>>95974755
Thank god you will never be so seethe impotently kekw

>>95974341
The answer that most players aren't ready for is Krarkashima with Mind's Desire.

>>95974749
>If you're jerking off to a "concept" then it's even less tethered to the art itself, which would make it even more questionable where you draw the line.
Ridiculous assertion. Downright nonsensical, in fact I will call this BLATANTLY INSANE.
The line is reality. It is what is real. The difference between an idea and an action. You are now actively espousing the notion of thoughtcrime. This is preposterous, and the idea that you think it is MORE valid in thought is so ass-backwards that I think I have to be being trolled.
>You are not fictional. You are not jerking it to something that is purely fictional. Murder and mutilation are not fictional, and you are jerking it to them.
I am not fictional, and I am not being murdered nor committing murder while these ideas play out in my head. Therefore, the murder is, indeed, fictional. There is no further point to be made: you are asserting something fictional is not fictional, this is incorrect.
>Why would their ability to distinguish what is real and what isn't have anything to do with whether they draw the lines at jerking off to non real depictions of a thing that is real?
Because they know what they are looking at isn't real, you dumb fucking imbecile.
>If you jerk off to anime women, there would be no reason to assume that you don't jerk off to real women.
There is no reason to assume that you do, either. It is a hollow assertion, with no evidence linking them.
>It is actually more illogical to assume that your attraction to women exists solely in drawn form.
No it isn't. You are now just saying falsehoods as if they are valid. There is no logical link there.

>>95974749
>what you draw is what you do
>it's like you are what you eat, duh
>you eat mammal meat like cows so ofc you'll soon eat humans which are also mammals you disgusting pig
Holy retard

OK FUCK THIS SHIT
POST DECKS NOOOOW!!!!!!!

>>95974776
I don't eat mammals

>>95974341
>Pantlaza all blink spells or blink creatures
>cast nothing for first 4 turns
>cast Pantlaza turn 5
>Discover into blink spell
>Blink Pantlaza until you find Eldritch Evolution
>Sacrifice Pantlaza fetch NuEtali off Eldritch Evolution
>Cascade into a blink spell for Etali and some of your opponents cards
>Cast all of your opponents entire decks
>????????
>Win the game somehow

>>95974733
Nope but what we enjoy and how can definitely suggest some things. It's important to make judgments anon

>>95974778

>>95974765
>It's always this one guy!
There's multiple antiUB people, dogfucker haters, hybrid mana lovers, of course there's tonnes of autists.

>>95974812
post your boyfriend's deck too

>>95974806
Correlation can be causative. Yet objectively, correlation is not indicative of causality. By any meaningful measure, these "suggestions" of yours are illogical, and the "judgments" are therefore prejudice.

>>95974816
K

>>95974812
>Annoying incessant off topic argument in thread
>Whofag appears
Like clockwork

>>95974770
>ridiculous..... cause I said so!!!
No jerking off to murder and such is concerning and anyone who says otherwise is mentally unsound. Just by averages, you are an aberration to the norm.
>thought crimes
Good.
>fictional
Is pretty meaningless. Whether or not its real the idea of getting off to certain concepts is concerning for the aforementioned reasons. You are objectively abnormal.
>hentai but not real
No. If you jerk off to anime women it is logically sound to assume you are straight and would also enjoy real women.

>>95974827
Whatever gets you to discuss magic and not whatever this shit is.

r8 my commander

>>95974818
The very fact you say prejudice as though its a bad thing tells me you are so far beneath me its actually embarrassing for me to have responded to you. I got some soul searching to do

>>95974845
based man with no personality besides "2018 4chan"

>>95974831
No, anon. You don't get to strawman me. I am accusing you of thoughtcrime, you don't get to say "cause I said so". Thoughtcrime is not logical. Thoughts are not actions.
>>thought crimes
>Good.
You admit to policing thought, and you think anyone is going to agree with you? Fucking kill yourself, you wannabe tyrant.
>Is pretty meaningless. Whether or not its real the idea of getting off to certain concepts is concerning for the aforementioned reasons. You are objectively abnormal.
There is nothing wrong with being abnormal. Being abnormal is legal and no harm inherently comes of it.
>No. If you jerk off to anime women it is logically sound to assume you are straight and would also enjoy real women.
No, there is no logical connection here. You are making a profoundly obvious leap in logic.

>>95974845
>i need to leave because i lost
Yes please do some soul searching
I suggesr martial arts so you'll realize how can such killing machines be so peaceful

>>95974835
Fair enough. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt this time and assume you've just got bad timing every time I see you here. How are you liking Serah Farron and Venat in your list so far?

>>95974845
Prejudice is inherently illogical. Being illogical is a bad thing.

>>95974844
more interesting than Titanic Voltron

>>95974856
I have no idea what your weird poopdickschizo thing is nor do I really care.

>>95974778
https://archidekt.com/decks/11313992/boros_spirit_slinger
Hammering away at this right now

>>95974858
Prejudice is based on accumulated wisdom. >Being illogical is a bad thing.
Prove it without an adhoc or recursive argument.

yeah fuck it i'll just come back later.

>>95974754
Note you didn't object to being called a pedo. Telling.
>The line is reality. It is what is real. The difference between an idea and an action
How do you expect anyone to trust that you know where the line is? Again, this isn't as innocuous as reading about these things, you're jerking off to depictions of it.
>they know what they are looking at isn't real, you dumb fucking imbecile.
And? I'm not saying you're confused. I'm not saying you're going to be jerking it to cartoons of murder and mutilation and- hey! wait a minute! this isn't a cartoon it was a real person all along!!!!
No, I'm saying that you jerk off to murder and mutilation and I have no reason to believe that it matters to you whether it is drawn or real.
Again, if you jerk off to women in anime, you probably jerk off to real women. Why would you not? You are sexually aroused by the characteristics of women, why would there be some hard line between drawn women and real women?

Same with the mutilation, children etc. You have no answer to this and you just scream about "evidence". What's your evidence that somehow you're exclusively attracted to drawn depictions and not the real thing? It's just your word, and no one has any reason to trust your word on it because you would have incentive to lie.

>>95974897
Oops meant for half of that to go to >>95974770
Ah you'll figure it out

>>95974897
You also dont object to be a tyrannical libtard so kekw to all this whinging over drawings lmao

>>95974884
>Prejudice is based on accumulated wisdom.
No it isn't.
>>Being illogical is a bad thing.
>Prove it without an adhoc or recursive argument.
Flawed reasoning creates flawed conclusions. Without logical to assemble a conclusion, the conclusion is arbitrary.

I finally won a game with 5c Terra. Although honestly it was mostly thanks to the Yuna that revives a saga each turn

>>95974897
>How do you expect anyone to trust that you know where the line is?
... by granting the benefit of the doubt?
Do you want to kill everyone on suspicions that they could one day become murderers themselves? This is the kind of nonsensical logic that thoughtcrime leads to.
>Again, this isn't as innocuous as reading about these things, you're jerking off to depictions of it.
There is no reason for that to be more or less innocuous. Gratification means nothing, at all.
>No, I'm saying that you jerk off to murder and mutilation and I have no reason to believe that it matters to you whether it is drawn or real.
Well, you should have many reasons to believe that. Not least of which the unabashed fact that partaking of fictional content is not indicative of partaking of tangible physical actions. Do you assume everyone who plays Call of Duty wants to go on shooting sprees? They like fictionally shooting fictional people after all.
>Again, if you jerk off to women in anime, you probably jerk off to real women. Why would you not?
Speaking for myself? I don't like 3D women. They're ugly. Real porn doesn't excite me. This is a demonstration of why there is no logical link: two objects that you can establish a nebulous link between are not the same concept.
>You are sexually aroused by the characteristics of women, why would there be some hard line between drawn women and real women?
Because 2D and 3D aren't the same, fuckwit.
>Same with the mutilation, children etc. You have no answer to this
I am answering this directly and you are just dancing around it.

>What's your evidence that somehow you're exclusively attracted to drawn depictions and not the real thing?
The lack of association between any fictitious subject and any real-world behavior. You need to prove these are tangible, I don't need to prove they are intangible. Learn what a devil's proof is, you oblivious moron.

>>95974907
>No it isn't.
Yes it is. When you see a fire you don't stick your hand in it because you are using your prejudice to know that it's hot. If you stuck your hand into every fire you saw (this one could be cold! gotta find out!) you'd be a retard. Furthermore, it's also a form of prejudice to assume that prejudice is wrong when assessing a situation.

HELLO JANNY CLEAN UP ON AISLE 10

we could've gatekept the weirdos harder but noooooooooooo you guys just had to have your Sephiroths and your Sonics

>>95974939
>Yes it is. When you see a fire you don't stick your hand in it because you are using your prejudice to know that it's hot.
No. That's not prejudice, that's learned experience, or even field experimentation. You know the fire is hot because you get near it and experience its heat.
Learned experience is not prejudice, and not what we're talking about. Unless you have learned experience in the association between imaginary concepts and their real world applications.. which I know for a fact you don't, because all evidence is that imaginary concepts do not have an association with real world applications.

>>95974907
>Logic is good because without logic it'd be bad.
Circular argument, got it.

>>95974952
I didn't say bad, I said arbitrary. If you believe arbitrary results are "as good" as accurate results, well, you are insane and we need not talk anymore.

>>95974957
Well, is arbitrary good or bad?

>>95974965
It's generally bad. It's rare for arbitrary results to match up to and/or exceed accurate results.
Not, like, genuinely impossible or universal.

>>95974341
Only real answer

>>95974978
Why did you give her a pig nose

>>95974988
Her nose looked like a pig nose to start with

>>95974854
I do not care for your emotional whinging. Tyrants are good. You use words without understanding their meaning

>>95974852
I dont understand. Prejudice is just a pre judgment. These are things people do every day to keep themselves safe. I didnt even start using 4chan til last year.
>>95974855
Whatever floats your boat fella. You are objectively living poorly if there are no behaviors or sexual proclivities that would cause you to go "hmm I wonder if that means anything"
>>95974858
Wrong. Prejudice is based on pattern recognition.
>being illogical is bad
Emotions beg to differ and they are much more enjoyable to experience.

>>95974907
Why do i want an unflawed conclusion anon?

>>95975065
>>95975078
>>95975087
You need medication.

>>95975097
>prejudice is bad
>proceeds to be prejudice
Heh, it's that easy. Your actions betray you, I accept your concession.

>>95975078
>I didnt even start using 4chan til last year.
Ofc it's a newfag lecturing us pffft

>>95975105
>lecturing on the virtues of being prejudice
Shouldn't it be the other way around? Is this not a place for prejudiced people to congregate as they are not welcome in other social media platforms?

There's like 100 filtered posts in this thread for me so i assume something retarded is happening

>>95974936
>... by granting the benefit of the doubt?
Why should anyone grant you the benefit of the doubt when you're openly jerking off to drawing of children and/or mutilation?
>Do you want to kill everyone on suspicions that they could one day become murderers themselves?
You're obfuscating again. This isn't some baseless suspicion. If a person jerks off to murder, there is every reason to be suspicious of them.
>partaking of fictional content is not indicative of partaking of tangible physical actions.
You're not merely "partaking of ficiton", you're jerking off to it.
If you were passively watching murder or mutilation in a movie, or just reading about it, there would be little reason to question your motives. But you're not, you're actively jerking off to it and that's an entirely different situation, and you know it is. That's why you keep trying to frame it as something it isn't rather than talking about what it is.
>I don't like 3D women. They're ugly. Real porn doesn't excite me.
I flatly don't believe you, and as we established several posts ago, no one has any reason to believe you because you have an incentive to lie. It is not in your interest to be honest about whether you jerk off to real mutilation or real children.
>The lack of association between any fictitious subject and any real-world behavior.
Would love to hear your peer-reviewed studies on what percentage of convicted pedophiles also just happened to have pornographic drawings of children on their hard drives, professor.

>>95975113
>claims prejudice is good
>but you cant be prejudiced to me for being a newfag!
Bwahahahhaha lurk moar

>literal unabashed pedophiles play MtG
Can't say I'm entirely surprised, and yet...

>>95975141
It's a gay troon game, what did you expect?

>>95975126
Two faggots have been arguing about pedos and murderers and how fantasy makes you a killer. I tried getting people to post decks but fuck it.

>>95975135
>yet another "if you goon ur a criminal"
Damn who couldve thought that only this schizo knows that pornhub had so many rapists

>>95975141
Yeah, they're all judges.

>>95975146
Troons are the ones that hate loli tho

>>95975159
>>yet another "if you goon ur a criminal"
Point to where this was said. You can't because what was said if you're jerking off to drawings of children, no one has any reason to believe you if you say you're not attracted to real children.

>>95975168
They love loli, they want to be loli.

>>95975168
Actually they love loli

>>95975172
>gooning to drawings bad
>but gooning to real women good
Kekw schizo

>>95975168
>>95975168
>Troons are the ones that hate loli tho
lol
lmao

>>95975178
Both can be bad.

>>95975135
>Why should anyone grant you the benefit of the doubt when you're openly jerking off to drawing of children and/or mutilation?
Circular logic. "It's bad because it's bad and I won't grant bad people credit" is not valid. Your kafkatrap is a falsehood, end of fucking story, take some medication.

>>95975182
Thanks for the #notall schizo
>>95975175
>>95975176
I can assure you they dont, picrel

>>95975193
It is almost like they don't have monolith beliefs

>>95975197
They sure have monolith spergouts though!

>>95975178
I haven't said anything about what is good, I've said jerking off to drawings of children is bad. The fact you have a problem with this suggests you need professional help.
>>95975192
>claim to be a pedophile
>claim its okay because you only jerk to drawings of children and not the real thing
>get asked why anyone should believe you don't jerk to the real thing
>"j-just give me the benefit of the doubt!!!!"
There is nothing circular about this. Seek help instead of being mad at the entire world

>>95975137
No you can, thats entirely my point anon..

>>95975220
>There is nothing circular about this.
It is entirely circular. The reason why you should believe that is because you need evidence against it to not grant such a benefit of the doubt. Your prejudice is not based in evidence, even if you are the same guy as the one who asserted prejudice is learned experience, there is no learned experience here. It is a baseless prejudice, with no validity to it.
You need evidence to start believing in something. Doing so otherwise is religion. You simply have created a faith that anyone who partakes of fictitious experiences covets real experiences.

>>95975220
Why is gooning to drawings bad but gooning to real women is whatever? :3

>>95974778
Went 0-2 at my LGS on thursday, lost to a Gitrog that got rolling and then a Ral who came back and stormed off after Obeka killed me and Kosei with a 10 upkeep run. If he had swung his big guy at Ral, he had the win but he didn't know lol

>>95975228
By being prejudiced to you you completely destroy your argument and thus imllies that at least some level of fairness is required
Now go away and lurk moar somewhere else kek

>>95975135
>But you're not, you're actively jerking off to it and that's an entirely different situation, and you know it is.
No it isn't. Why should it be?

>>95975231
>The reason why you should believe that is because you need evidence against it to not grant such a benefit of the doubt.
Hi, yes anon, the reason is you claimed to be attracted to something but then expect people to believe you when you say you're only attracted to drawings of that thing, even though you would have every reason to lie about it if you were attracted to the real thing.
Hope that helps!
>>95975234
Quote where I've said that, and I'll answer your question.
>>95975269
Because you're not being passive. You're the one who said you were "merely partaking in fiction" but you're not merely partaking, you're jerking off to it. You are sexually stimulating yourself to something which in healthy adults should not be sexually arousing, that is cause for concern.

>>95975231
Religion is based on evidence.

>>95975302
>cant answer if gooning to real wonen is good or bad
The hypocrisy of this limp wristed impotent tyrant is off the charts lmao

>>95975245
stop discussing cards.

>>95975314
>>cant answer if gooning to real wonen is good or bad
How is this relevant to you jerking off to children exactly?

>>95975317
Never

Give me 1000 dollars and I'll build a deck that beats swordbro.

>>95975302
>Hi, yes anon, the reason is you claimed to be attracted to something but then expect people to believe you when you say you're only attracted to drawings of that thing, even though you would have every reason to lie about it if you were attracted to the real thing.
Kafkatrap. Blatant kafkatrap. You can accuse anyone for lying for this. Not a genuine argument, does not work.
>Because you're not being passive. You're the one who said you were "merely partaking in fiction" but you're not merely partaking, you're jerking off to it. You are sexually stimulating yourself to something which in healthy adults should not be sexually arousing, that is cause for concern.
Bullshit, egregious bullshit. You're claiming that sexual gratification is somehow more sacrosanct than any other form of artistic appreciation. Justify your bullshit.

>>95975325
>weakly tries to change the topic
This schizo has already made up his mind that lolis are bad and we're all pdfs but is so obsessed with drawings that he cant be assed to think of real women bwahahhaah

It's all bad. You are bad, and I am bad.

If you ever need an example of why UB is cancer, this is it.

>>95975364
Unfortunately UB is not as much cancer as they/them UW

Poor financial decisions today

>>95974844
Honestly I could see this having a fun, but casual play pattern

>>95975336
You are attracted to children, and you expect people to take your word that you're only attracted to fictional children. Why should anyone believe you? Pissing shitting and crying about it is not an answer
>>95975341
Not a very good attempt at flipping the script pedoanon.

>>95975375
BRU is the UNANIMOUS evil color (because for some reason B wasn't evil enough on its own) but what about BWU?

>>95975384
>still cant answer a basic question
Huhuhehehehe
I see we have an onlyfans cuck right here

>>95975364
I fucking guarantee you one of them is the guy who kept saying that jerking off to that one FF card was more comparable to jerking off to midgets than to children.

>>95975384
>Why should anyone believe you?
Because there is no valid reason to disbelieve me.

>>95975399
You jerk off to pictures of children.

>>95975414
And?

>>95975399
The reason is you're attracted to children and would have reason to lie about where you draw the line.

>>95975419
Illogical extrapolation. Invalid.

>>95975375
I was really torn between this, Golbez, and Vivi as my artifact deck. Also, even if it might have been a big buy, it looks great so I believe you're gonna make it worth it.
What did you build with her?

>>95975416
That's a valid reason to not trust you.

>>95975436
No it isn't.

>>95975436
I wouldnt even want your approval

>>95975424
Kek just seek professional help. It will be easier for you to receive therapy for your attraction to children than to convince the entire world that magically your attraction to children begins and ends with japanese cartoons.

>>95975460
I need not convince anyone of what I know already. You are the one whose prejudice is baseless.

>>95975434
I'm actually curious what decks you ended up building out of FF because I know when spoiler season was happening you were excited for a lot of them

>>95975252
My argument is that prejudice is good and we all use it to make judgments to protect us or save time or whatever. So no this doesn't go against me in any way.

>>95975473
Yes it does because we're being prejudiced to you just because we want to and you're going to bend over and take it

>>95975479
>x is good
>no its not
>yes it is now watch me do X
>seems you think X is good
>neenerneenerneeener I win
Okay pal

>>95975484
>has no retort because he lost
Like i said, lurk moar newfag

>>95975375

>>95975434
Honestly it's just a slightly modified precon, I just like yshtola, but I ended up building Zenos, Clive. Emet Selch, and I gonna build estininen

>>95975495
Forgot my actual post, the espelth was probably a really stupid thing to buy

>>95975470
Well I've been broker than fuck lately, but I have lists or at least prospective lists for Kefka, I considered but ended up passing on Vivi for Golbez, and I considered Y'shtola, Tidus/Yuna, etc. For now, until I can afford to get singles again, I'm sorta stuck not building anything lmao
Oh and I dropped equipment entirely because my white artifact support was on hold for potentially Y'shtola. I really wish Golbez was Grixis with some red activated ability or something or you had to pay R in his trigger. I was given a mono-black Sephiroth so I'm debating either putting him into a command zone or putting him into a Golgari deck of some kind.
>>95975506
Fair, I figure if you streamline the precon some she'd be pretty fun.
>Zenos
Based
>Clive
Double based
>Emet Selch
I assume the flip one who turns into Yawg's Will at all times, in which case, if you've played it tell me how it is. I'm genuinely curious how much hate it draws.

>>95975506
Can you talk about Clive, how does he play and is it good?

>>95975454
Okay, it's not about approval.
There's something untrustworthy about someone bringing up their creepy borderline criminal fetishes in unrelated conversations. If only that they lack impulse control.

>he's really still coping about being a pedophile

>>95975530
People are allowed to be creepy, especially on an adults only website.

>>95975556
Yes they are allowed to be creepy but being creepy is a reason to not trust someone, a good one too.

>>95975530
If you check the very start of this chain it all bpils down to mtg having a dearyh of fanartists and the reason for that is because fanartists are overwhemingly pro anime and ofc that means they are also familiar with loli and sometimes even draw it themselves but somehow this basic fact triggered you to hell and back about criminality, no wonder mtg has no twitter game
fr seek medical advise

My fetish is gay dragon sex

>>95975564
Once again nobody seeks or even cares about your approval

>>95975567
I responded to someone who admitted to jerking off to pictures of children.

I hate you people.

>>95975572
Gross

>when you lost so terribly you can't even give a (You) anymore

>>95975583
I like it.

>>95975582
Attempt to talk about something else

>>95975581
>forgetting that he basically acussed someone and got even more triggered by a simple "and?"
Lol

>>95975593
I did. It failed

Magic doesn't get fanart because the characters aren't appealing enough for people to get attached to them. They're not attractive and their personalities are somehow even more shallow than a gacha character, so they fail on literally both fronts of being likable.
25 years of Magic "writing" was making everyone a stupid asshole and calling it "grimdark" writing, with the last 5-10ish years being shallow corposhit while everyone still acts stupid. No game actively punishes you for trying to get attached to and learn more about the characters the same way as Magic. Even if, by some miracle, you become attached to a character, chances are you will be stuck going literal years while they rot in the background because this game ices and shelves characters constantly, by design. Even "major" characters are not exempt from this with Liliana and Sorin last appearing back in 2021. It's genuinely hard to get attached to Magic characters because the game actively punishes you for doing that instead of mindlessly consuming whatever is getting the spotlight in a given set.

>>95975657
Correct
Also doesnt help that wotc art direction is to make women less like women
And who here remembers that chandra liliana playmat that raised eyebrows? Because if that thing caused a hissy fit then there waa just no hope for mtg in the fanart space

>>95975677
>Also doesnt help that wotc art direction is to make women less like women
Some uggos does not invalidate the nonuggos

>>95975695
Here here.

>>95975375
Could be worse anon, I want her in foil.

>>95975657
For context, R&D has been chasing the "Vorthos" archetype for a long time as an addition to their existing three (Timmy, Johnny, and Spike). However more recently they've declared that it's not actually a demographic they can cater to. Why is that? Because all the supplementary material around Magic is so unbelievably garbage that most people that want to learn more about the lore of the game get driven off once they realize how horrible it is.
At this point the internal feeling seems to be that WotC feels going after the Vorthos is a lost cause, but Hasbro wants them to keep trying for it, because in a rare bout of singular sane decision-making from Hasbro, they realize it's dumb to constantly slap your players in the face by telling them not to get attached to characters and instead just keep consuming product while you never see the characters again for what can be over 10 years (shown with literally any plane that's not Ravnica), if ever, at which point they'll behave completely differently from how you remember because WotC sees them as plot devices rather than personalities. This is likely why projects like the movie and TV series keep getting pushed along despite anyone with brain cells knowing they're a lost cause. Hasbro, for once, sees the real potential in it, but WotC is too fucking stupid to understand what makes a good character because they have their heads too far up their ass with thinking "worldbuilding" is the same as writing a good story.

The real question is why would any artist take up Magic fanart when so many sets are basically one-offs even in its glory days. You liked Ixalan? Eat shit dumbass. Five years to even partially revisit the concept you liked so much. Tarkir? Ten years. Lorwyn? Man you're really fucking lucky planeswalkers got pushed back to it from Time Spiral, because that's likely the only reason you got it at all after 18 years. Mirrodin? Lol we just blew that one up for funsies.

>>95975554
Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s swordtard with his trip off

>>95975572
My fetish is goblin on human sex

>>95975722
i remember seeing akroma cosplayers so many years past onslaught but wotc can't even do the nobrainer lazy move of reviving her, that's how much of a fumble they are with taking care of recognizable ip
>also jace should've remained the main protag

>>95975749
Me too.

>>95975749
me too.

>>95975763
too sexy, women BAD unless they're trxnsiztsters

>>95975749
>goblins

>>95975749
Me too.

>>95975749
AI faggots need not reply

>>95975785
I've still yet to see any gobbo AI slop that doesn’t make me want to claw my eyes out.

>>95975375
>literally thousands of commanders
>pick the most generic one
XIVtroons, everyone

>>95975776
edgy anime

>>95975808
Nah. It lost its teeth after episode one.

>>95975806
>just uses the word generic without any concept of what it means

>>95975529
>>95975520
Still waiting on stuff in the mail so I haven't tested Clive and Emet Selch yet, but Emet Selch is gonna become my borderline cedh commander. Clive is wheeling and copying with some big burns so I hope it's fun, the first game with Zenos I managed to tainted strike someone with shinryu and end the game instantly which was funny
I mostly wanted to build my favorite characters, estininen will come later and I also still wanna build ardbert and cecil

>>95975812
>do thing draw
Generic slop

>>95975812
troon/tranny is just used the same as "fag" now. Calling someone an XIVTroon is like calling you a samfeag.

>>95975819
More accurately it's do thing: get white thing, blue thing, and black thing. A really lazy design paradigm for forced commanders wotc has been using lately.

>people seethe about blue and control decks for years
>now every deck is basically a control deck with the amount of staple removal/interaction cards every color has
>if you complain about being locked out of the game people just yell INTERACTION and THREAT ASSESSMENT at you
This format and game as a whole has been powercrept to the point where it feels like Yugioh.

>>95975819
What a stupid opinion

were you guys cursed by a gypsy to never enjoy anything anymore or something

>>95975722
they needed a saturday morning cartoon like 20 years ago to indoctrinate children, it would have been so easy
>5 kids of varying ethnicity (also one of them could be in a wheelchair or something) get transported to lorwyn
>jace and the gang show up
>upon realizing the kids are fledgling planeswalkers they each gift some of their magic in the form of cards
>no the black kid doesn't get black, he gets white naturally
>rest of the show follows their adventure in like 3 rotating planes made for the show, with a mini arc for every new block where they go to that set's plane for a few episodes

>>95975822
pretty much
>>95975819
>stop drawing cards in this card game
>why would people want to draw cards
>no one ever bitches about having to slot the same draw pieces into every single deck
>reward different playpatterns with draw bad
you are a drone with no soul

>>95975836
I've been enjoying tainted grail

>>95975835
He used the word slop, ofcourse it was stupid and pointless, those people are incapable of giving an actual thought out arguments of anything.

1B
Instant
Destroy target creature. Its controller draws a card.
3B
Instant
Destroy target creature. Draw a card.
This should be the power level of the game imo.

>>95975822
I really hate playing blue, but I like ysthola

>>95975835
>Do the thing, draw a card.
Nah. There's a dozens of other commanders that do that already. There's nothing mechanically unique about it. It's the definition of generic.

>>95975434
Out of all of those? Golbez.
I tried Vivi out (from Arjun) as an Eggs deck and I kind of reverted back to Arjun due to how his card draw works with cantrips. You really want the staples for Vivi to shine, so it becomes more of a Vivi deck, not an artifact deck.
Y'shtola is great as a spellslinger control deck. Shes really the whole package when you play permission spells to keep the card draw going.
Golbez is kind of a league of his own. He starts out small and unassuming but he can get the game to the close with the right cards (Tezzeret, Master of the Bridge, Broodstar, Death's Shadow, etc). The only downside to him is you're not really playing a bunch of big dudes if you want him to be optimized so if you're okay with a lot of self-mill and tutors, go for him. he's also my main in 012. Im getting tokens of Thopters as the Nodes/CPU in his game

>>95975862
You don't have to put many blue cards into your deck you know

I'm at the end of my rope, how do you even enjoy this format anymore?
>every commander is considered kill on sight now
>can't build a deck around a commander anymore because they are guaranteed to be removed on sight
>have to just slap a random commander in zone solely for the colors and that's boring as fuck
>still have to run mountain of protection

>>95975840
You're projecting pretty hard here.

>>95975885
I mostly added extra removal, im just not a fan of draw pass and playing at instant speed, but right now Its only slightly upgraded, but it's gonna just stay at this level more then likely

>>95975889
Play a low cost commander so replaying them isn't a pain? Play one without an overbearing effect?
Seems like you're playing bullshit commanders and wondering why you're drawing heat for it.

>>95975833
No because in YGO you can actually answer the threats with cards like SPoly, Evenly Matched, Lightning Storm, DRNM, etc. etc.
In Magic the removal options aren't getting better specifically because of players (not just Commander players, although that has become the driving force more recently) whining about combo and control "not letting them play the game". Look at how many cards have inbuilt protection now, not just in obvious ways like Ward, but also subtle wording changes like triggers saying "as this creature enters" so you can't respond to the etb, or "whenever this creature leaves the battlefield" so Swords can't stop it the same way it does with "dies".
The way modern card design works is just making shit self-contained value engines because people bitch every time a good piece of instant speed interaction (most recently, Fatal Push) gets printed, and the incessant whining about "combo players" has led to making braindead cards that just can't be answered efficiently, effectively killing combo and control as archetypes in the face of overwhelming aggro/midrange. This design isn't just present in EDH with all the "do thing, draw card, ward 2" cards, but also 60-card constructed where aggro has overtaken the game because a 1-drop creature will win the game by itself if not answered quickly.

>>95975883
extremely based, I ended up making this >>95975245 as my list. I probably need more methods of self-milling, I have a lot of fun cards for Surveiling, but it hits a wall here and there if I'm not going nuts. Unshakable Tail + Enhanced Surveillance + Golbez is really fun, and Polluted Cistern is super nice. Apocalypse Demon and Broodstar are two of my big guys, along with Master of Etherium and Darksteel Juggernaut so I have a fair number of dudes to either entomb or hit. I keep thinking I should put in Mesmeric Orb and The Water Crystal for the funny 5 mill per untap on other people lmao

My friend might actually be retarded
>Have a Will deck
>my friend lost to it once
>he now targets me each time I play it
>every single time he does this he invests everything into stopping me and it always loses him the game
>playing a 3v3 format we have for game speed
>I play Will and he immediately swords him
>my hand's not even good, I have no ramp/draw and no major life gain even if I replay Will
>he spends more mana next turn to try and blow up both my mana rocks, basically ensuring I'll just sit there and do nothing for 20 minutes
>friend on my team sees this and even he's had enough
>deflecting swats the spell back
>enemy friend basically fucked over both his team mates completely
>I have 100% WR with Will against him solely because of this
It's like watching someone continuously get run over by the same car over and over again because they keep walking into the street

>>95975906
I am playing fucking Gwyn and Sidbar Jafari. These are not CEDH decks

>>95975906
>Play one without an overbearing effect?
That's really not the issue anymore because if a deck requires its commander to even fuction people are going to say its "kill on sight"

>>95975928
>I'm playing tryhard commanders, but since they aren't CEDH they aren't try hard commanders
One of them is emmience and you're still whining because they aren't sticking to the field.Clown.

>>95975889
You can't fix stupid anon. In 1v1 your consolation is knowing stupid misplays will lose them the game, but that's hardly a consolation in 4p FFA where it drags you down with them.

>>95975924
Must be nice having friends who run interactions. None of my friends other than one runs swords in their decks with white let alone deflecting swat.
Which I can understand swat, its an expensive card, but then they go out and buy boxes instead so its not like money is really an issue

>>95975889
>every commander is considered kill on sight now
Literally just play underplayed stuff nobody has ever heard of

>>95975910
Cross-referencing with my deck:
So I actually disregarded all the other surveil stuff from the MKM precon. I wanted to hard focus on artifacts as much as I can. Except for Matoya, since she's essentially a second Vedalken Archmage. I guess Enhanced Surveillence can work fine but I didnt bother with it.
I'd also run Riddlesmith as a second Rook Turret. The Draw/Discard of those two work extremely well.
Invest in Death's Shadow and Tezzeret, Master of the Bridge. I cannot stress enough that the Affinity for artifacts he gives is stupidly busted, and the + ability will win the game with Golbez. Death's Shadow I don't need to go over.
Necron Deathmark and Noxious Gearhulk should be in there for interaction.
Warring Triad should be in your ramp. You're not using the Rings/Basalt combo so get rid of Basalt.
Filigree Attendant is a second Broodstar--and common. It's worth pennies.
Phyrexian Triniform is the only other fatty I would consider along with Metalwork Colossus. Ditch Pentavus (does nothing at 0 power for Golbez) and Nick Valentine.
The Cyber Controller needs to be in there, end of.
Shimmer Dragon is also a source of card draw. Ditch Eloise.

I've come to like this deck because of the focusing faggotry
>extremely low cost
>gets big fast
>green and white for ramp
>very easy to make her unblockable or give her a way to get through for the trigger
>filled deck with tons of instant speed protection
>lets me abuse sagas
Wish the art was better though

>>95975889
The way commander tax works is designed for the way the game was played over a decade ago, and removal was a lot less eficient. If your commander has no inherent protection and costs more than four mana, you better not plan to build around it else you're just going to lose every game. Generic value engine commanders you don't really care about are the only viable choices.

>>95975968
>Riddlesmith
I actually use Transplant Theorist and Skyswimmer Koi as backups for the Rook Turret effect, since they are also on entry rather than cast.
>Death's Shadow
As much as I like Death's Shadow, I feel like it's likely going to be weaker than Apocalypse Demon at almost every stage of the game (13 cards in the grave is easy as pie, as I'm sure you know)
>Tezzeret, Master of the Bridge
you know, I cut him before, but I think it's probably smart that I put him back in. I was sent a copy a while ago and have been sitting on it, gonna go get it after I enter this reply
>Rings/Basalt
I use Forensic Gadgeteer for the same effect of infinite mana, with Forensic doubling as a token producer. I actually forgot Rings works with Basalt.
>Filigree Attendant
Gonna check my collection for one as well, if I've got one that's a great choice. Totally forgot that little guy exists, and he has Flying so if I need him to attack, I can.
>Cyber Controller
Oh shit, I forgot about that guy too
>Shimmer Dragon
Is it worth it? I know it can be used to draw a lot, but at 6cmc I worry about it. If so, I'll grab a copy from my blue rare box too.
>Ditch Pentavus
Pentavus sorta serves the same purpose as Thopter Squadron, making tokens for 1 and being a sac outlet for the same tokens, so with Stridehangar, Worldwalker, etc it can net positive, especially with Urza or KCI/Ashnod's, but you're probably right. At 7cmc it's probably a bit too costly to use comparatively.
>Nick
See the only reason I like him is that it's basically a second Pitiless Plunderer but also an artifact and 1 mana less, since feeding thopters into *anything* turns into clues (and potentially more thopters with Stridehangar)
>Warring Triad
I didn't even THINK of that, grabbing out my copy of that too
>Necron Deathmark and Noxious Gearhulk
I think I've got those laying around, I'll post a pic when I'm back of what I could find. I really appreciate the detailed analysis!

>>95975928
>gwyn and sidbar jabari
>aaaaiiieeee why is my voltron commander and eminence commander killed on sight?!
no wonder people just whine here and never give full context, because when they do give context they inadvertently show their own clownery

>>95975979
I wish it were {g/w}{w/b}

>>95976007
I play abdel because my opponents hate killing him

Absolute chad

>>95976026
8 mana to get swords'd

>>95976026
me on the left

>>95975992
>>95975968
>>95975910
>>95975883
whats the point of samefagging about your boring, cookie cutter UBslop commander decks? no one is interested.

Is he actually any good? Go wide equipment historically kinda sucks.

>>95976041
based schizo

>>95976026
I wish this guy was worth it but he just isn't. Gets delated faster than any other reanimator target I've ever used.

>>95976007
>>95975928
Funny thing is that Gwyn can 100% function without even playing her. I won games where I just played Fervent Champion turn 1 and ended the game

>>95975967
>endrek
>not kill on sight

>>95975992
>>95975968
Here's the pic
I found a little pile of stuff that I had cut at various times from Golbez to see what you think of them as other options

>>95976042
You dont need to go wide really. When he attacks you draw one no matter what. You go as wide as you wanna draw.

>>95975889
play a low cost commander that no one ever kills

arabella, anim pakal, balloon man, or THREEEEEE DAAWG?

>>95976026
kinda disappointing he doesnt have indestructible unless your opponent pays some convoluted cost

>>95976225
Anim Pakal is a monster.
THREE DAAAAWG flies under the radar quite a bit, but is very strong.
Arabella is very strong, but she felt like she was just durdling until you had enough bodies on the board to win with.

>>95976230
The "convoluted cost" is forcing Commander players to run removal in their decks (Herculean feat)

>>95976255
>run interaction
>can't do anything proactively
>run proactive stuff
>can't stop my opponents from becoming degenerate

>>95976261
>be bad
>nothing ever works

>>95975812
rofl anon yshtola is the premier baby's first commander

>>95976261
MORE CARD DRAW DRUG.

>>95975889
JUST LET ME WIN

>>95976225
god AI videos are awful

>>95975889
>>95975928
>Sidar
Anon... Sidar is literally a tribal reanimator deck that lets you dig and fill your graveyard without ever needing to play him. Why are you not running Reanimate, Animate Dead, Dread Return, etc? Where's your Phyrexian Reclamation? Where's your Tortured Existence? (Not referring to you attempting to socialize). What about your Haunted Crossroads? Malevolent Awakening? You're in fucking Black/White, you have access to control, recursion, defensive and offensive bouncing, and straight up protection. Are you just a retard? Do you have brain damage?

>>95976306
>>95976306
>>95976306

>>95976026
>7WWUU
>This spell can't be countered
>Flying, hexproof, indestructible
>When this enters, if you didn't cast it from your hand, exile it.
>You have protection from each of your opponents
>11/11
Would this have been better? The intention is to make him better able to stick, but also impossible to truly cheat out. Of course, there are plenty of artifact sources that can accelerate through most of the (7).And 11 for 11/11 from FF11

>>95976435
>>When this enters, if you didn't cast it from your hand, exile it.
Instantly kills its commander potential.

>>95976752
Good