Eldrazi Are Back Edition

>Bans
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>What is EDH?
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>WotC's War Crimes
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>Previously
>>95957135

>TQ
Favorite Eldrazi card?

>>95966803 (OP)
>>95966789
I was going to call it a very weird adventure card.
I kinda like it.

>>95966803 (OP)
So it's the 2025 version of Evoke

>>95966803 (OP)
The mechanic is Kino and we are getting Eldrazi in Standard. As i said this fucking set will break several formats.

>>95966803 (OP)
eldrazi r aliens?

>>95966943
No there's an Alien creature type now also.

>>95966803 (OP)
>TQ
The one and only

>>95966928
>As i said this fucking set will break several formats.
Again?

>>95966849
More like eldrazi winter vagina.

>>95966803 (OP)
This set is literally Soulless. You like Kavu? Here kavu but worse! You like Eldrazi? Here eldrazi but worse!

>>95966803 (OP)
>Favorite Eldrazi card?
There is only one correct answer.
If you disagree, change your mind or I will change it for you.

>>95966803 (OP)
When is Wotc going to make a Procasual Vestige?

>>95967063
worse?

>>95966997
NO.
SURVIVORS.

>TQ
You thought about casting this spell. I thought (k)not

>>95967092
She wants another Eldrazi winter so that Spring can be as Flourishing as possible.

>>95966997
You have to understand this meta has lead to some bullshit, how we can fix it? With BIGGER bullshit. It's the only way.

>>95966803 (OP)
So the Eldrazi came from the future?

Please let there be a fucking FTK with warp.

Since Eldrazi are back, they will fucking nickel and dime all the Pioneer Eldrazi that are missing from "Arena Pioneer". Buy all these for this much you slop eating f2p shithead.

Hoping for more colored/devoid commanders a la Herigast in the future. An izzet eldrazi would be a dream come true

>>95967146
But the past is fluid. There are many ways to reach the present.

Looking backward, we see … possibility.

Allow me to quote the greats:

The usual fallacy is that, in every universe, many futures splay outward from any given moment. But in some universes, determinism runs backward: given a universe's state S at some time T, there are multiple previous states that may have resulted in S. In some universes, all possible pasts funnel toward a single fixed ending, Ω.

>>95967076
If we're not counting the titans then sure, but I'd say I like original ulamog better.

>>95966997
Ackshually its going to be some innocuous rare that people will gloss over thats going to do that. Tezz is just going to be Ugin 2 2.0 where wotc expects it to break formats with its MH3 power level and be forgotten instead

how is this thing still not on arena

>>95967239
arena is a joke client that is not mtg

>>95967228
You mean when they unban artifact lands too so that you can affinity him up to 6 million loyalty?

>>95967228
>some innocuous rare
Nah, it'll be an uncommon again.

>>95967092
Kavu but humanoid and fully sapient creatures.
Eldrazi but just copying the Ulamog progeny instead of creating a brand new style...
https://web.archive.org/web/20170803020909/http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/savor-flavor/three-brood-lineages-2010-04-28


Sure, they could make one good thing by saying that Ulamog didn't die by channel fireball friendship power... But I don't believe they would dare.

>>95967178
>>95967239
some of these might be in the bonus sheet, not exactly a high probability but it's there
>>95967241
yeah pioneer on arena fucking sucks, you can't do anything creative with the restricted card pool

>>95967178
>5/5 haste beater for 5
not playable lmao

>>95967249
bfz was the start of all the current cancer in the story
it'd be better if they just retconned most of the set honestly

>>95967253
The bonus sheet is confirmed to be lands.

>>95967258
Hexproof, if opponent has only one card.

>>95967249
>Eldrazi but just copying the Ulamog progeny instead of creating a brand new style...
But there's not supposed to be any other Eldrazi Titans, retard.

I didnt think they will had the balls to bring Eldrazi back after MH3 and fucking Cutter... I'm now afraid of what they will do with the format even after bans.

>>95967146
I guess. The only real plot point of EOE yet to be revealed in full is that the set seems to take place in both the past and the future at the same time.

>>95967303
You mean Ward-Discard 1 card.

>>95967253
>yeah pioneer on arena fucking sucks
I don't understand why there wasn't a shitstorm when wizard just decided to rename the format into Pioneer despite not having all the Pioneer cards.

>>95967253
I'm having fun in Pioneer i'm playing Hammer Time and i like the deck.

Sonikku!

i hated eldrazi and now we will have to face a set with eldrazis in space, kill me please.

>>95967384
Arena players have been conditioned to accept compromises and it's not like explorer had a big playerbase to begin with.

>>95967426
But if we kill you now, you won't get to enjoy these :))))))

>>95967341
But the eldrazi brood is only active in the plane their titan are, retard

You understand how retard having eldrazi in this set is?

>>95967445
I play on Arena. We will get Core Set 2025.

>>95967445
>Spongebob
>Sonic
>This shit

This picture sold me on premodern. This is the type of magic I yearn for. I’m all in on this format.

>>95967493
I cast lightning bolt on your Tarmogoyf

>>95967481
Spongebob is just alt art, it's fine.

I crafted monstrous rage on arena today (figured it's a freeroll) and got this notification.
I own a set of cutters, but I wonder if you would see that as well.

>>95967447
...what the fuck are you on? That's just not true. The Eldrazi Broods remained active on Zendikar after the two titans died.

Crazy that a bunch of favela monkeys are the ones who are going to save MTG.

>>95967511
No it isn't.

>>95967523
No, they didn't, they were basically brainless and inactive... That is why by Zendikar 3 there were none Eldrazi. Even in battle for Zendikar we only had 1 or 2 Emrakul drone and they were said to be inactive.

>>95967493
unlike you I enjoy midrange, so no premodern for me.

>>95967521
LMAO. This kikes can't even hide their own intentions better.

>>95967550
Bruh they've been screaming "BAN MONSTROUS BUT NOT CUTTER WHICH IS WEAK ACTUALLY" on this very general all fucking month. They may as well have just came out and openly said that's what they were going to do.

>>95967540
They kept going but without their Titans to replenish them they died off, that's why they vanished after the titans went away. Because Zendikar's natives (and the plane itself) were all doing their damndest to kill the fuck out of them.
And we don't even know if this card is actually from the time period EoE is happening in. It could be depicting an event from the previously mentioned Eldrazi-Fomori war, like this card which depicts a faerie corrupted by the Eldrazi in a plane they destroyed previously, as I'm pretty sure neither Zendikar nor Innistrad have any.

>>95967560
i mean they're probably banning both, there's no need to sperg out.

>>95967511
Kill yourself

>>95967570
They're not banning cori.

>>95967582
Then why even do bans? That card is broken.

>>95967602
To pretend they did something so they can justify their exorbitant salaries while the country is burning down, dummy. The same as all richers.

>>95967521
That warning has existed for months, it's just a bug.

>>95967537
It literally is though?
>>95967575
I will not kill myself. Your turn.

>>95967639
No I mean it's not fine, fuckhead.

>>95967652
Why isn't it?

give me more slop wotc
I haven't bought other shit since original theros but I'll buy another five boxes if you put jack garland or Tiz in the game

>>95967568
Anon... The eldrazi drones are literally the minor manifestations of the Eldrazi Titans, that is why when they are sealed or killed the drones stop being a nuisance.
Also using MH continuity? You know that Kaldra was mostly destroyed in Mirrodin, right? But "Kaldra but living weapon!". Also they don't say anything about "flashback action" in the planeswalker guide.
Stop sucking WotC withered di*k

what I wanted was eldrazi phyrexians

killing the titans was with the power of friendship was one of the worst things they ever did in the story I'm completely fine if they just delete that plot point from existence

>>95967684
>dude product I like but BRAND I LIKE is slapped on there!!!!!!?!??!?! What's wrong with it?
I just took a fat shit in a bag and put a Spongebob sticker on the bag. My asking rate is about 200$ a bag. Take it or leave it.
Pre-orders for my shit bag with Darth Vader stick on it will be going up next month.

New art.

>>95967754
>that is why when they are sealed or killed the drones stop being a nuisance.
NTA, but they didn't they keep spawning and thrash Zendikar while Nahiri was sleeping? I thought that was what happened, she woke up after her nap, saw the plane on fire and the broods everywhere and ran off to get Snorin' Knockov's help and then the plot happened.

>>95967793
>Product I like
Correct
>Brand I like
Correct
>Literal bag of shit
try harder, maybe a food analogy is more your speed

>>95967769
Nah this whole Fomori were ancient advanced race of multiplanar bullshiters is probably one of the worst plot ever.
Just let the Fomori be inhabitants of Ir who protect an Island full with mana potential. If they wanted to make a criptic race full of ancient artifacts then they should have used the Onakke ogres.

>>95967822
At this point "how completely different from the last Tezz can we make him" has to be some kind of joke among the illustrators

>>95967805
Original zendikar happens after nissa is a retard and frees them, bfz is canonically like...3 months? after rise of eldrazi
they use the power of friendship to kill them, int he most convoluted bullshit asspull ever, and Ugin tells them they're retards and there will be consequences (there have been no consequences)
emmy got pulled into innistrad by nahiri and then shut herself in the moon because innistrad "wasn't ready"
I don't think they were in zen3 but I didn't read that because modern lore is a joke

>>95967805
When Nahiri woke up the seal was wavering. She looked for Sorin and Ugin to reinforce the seal. That was happening before Rise of the Eldrazi: Jace&Chandra&Sarkhan went to one of the Seals and opened it slightly, then Nissa went with Sorin to another one and she broke the thing thus freeing the Titans.

>Eldrazi returned before powerful white cards
JOTC already admitting there are only 4 colors now.

>>95967822
I think they threw away the onakke the exact instant they had weismann literally throw away the chain veil

>>95967835
To make clear. Nahiri went looking for Sorin. Sorin trapped her in the helvault and then went to Zendikar with Ugin to fix the thing.
Later on, in modern times, J&C&S triggered a first fail safe seal who made the titans able to manifest their brood and later on Nissa went full retard/primate mode and destroyed the seal who imprisoned the Titans.

>>95967840
Nah, Colorless is number 5 KEK

>>95967856
She didn't do anything with Ugin, he was stuck in death jail. Half the reason she hates planeswalkers is sorin trapped her and ugin ignored her call (he was dead but, you know).

>>95967864
Oh, true, she resealed the Eldrazi alone before trying to find Sorin and having a women moment.

You guys can play paper magic with your Sonic and Walking dead and Dr Who
You can play your Miles Morales and Professor X
I will play Magic in its most pure and unsoiled format
Magic the Gathering: Arena

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Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home...

>>95967912
Anon... All that shit will probably be ported to arena sooner or later.

>>95967948
not the stuff with IP from rival online card games nope
they're going to have a not-spiderman not-marvel release on Arena with in-universe characters for every card

>>95967946
Come back to the favela...

>>95967864
>(he was dead but, you know)
you know i don't think she ever got to, like, know that. or even meet Ugin again at any point. it's weird, Ugin is probably the one person in her life who hasn't kicked her in the teeth for no reason at some point

>>95968010
writing was and still mostly is not very good
they probably forgot that in the middle of having them do shit in war and then in one

>>>95966533
>>>95967931
Fucking retards.

This is why the entire board laughs at Magic the Gathering.

The premodern spammer is right.

>>95967980
HE DID IT AGAIN!
HE CALLED HIM A BRAZILIAN AGAIN!
HE DID THE THING!

>>95968131
I just call it like I see it, the brazilian spammer gets what he wants, (You)s

>>95966803 (OP)
>Leaves the battlefield trigger
They have really not learned a singlelicious fucking thing since Swagtusk, huh.

>>95967793
It's the easiest to avoid interacting with.

>>95967445
>>95967481
>>95967537
>>95967575
>>95967793
You little bitch niggers don't even know how great it was. Fleer magic is here again.

>>95967546
There is midrange in premodern. Some examples are the Deadguy Ale and Machine Head decks. Deadguy Ale in particular is a fairly low cost deck if you're buying the cards for it. Pic related is one of the more expensive versions you can find online if you ignore the two guys who go crazy and put mox diamond in everything yet still don't make into the top 8 at the event. You could obviously drop the deck's price down to $90 if you removed the null rod from the sideboard and replaced it with a cheaper option. Of course a viable midrange deck if possible in other color combinations if you want to be creative with it.

>>95967946
Oh hey there pal...

>>95967912
>he plays arena where Final Fagasy is already in the game

Hi, /mtg/
Why are so many Boros Commanders White Women?

>>95968615
>Women
If only they were that...

>>95967546
>>95968555
Speaking of cheap midrange, here's another viable premodern Midrange deck. The Rock. Using newer printings of some of the cards, you can get the deck for under $100.

>>95968576
Based tog poster.

>>95968653
Why are so many decks now running 1-2 phyrexian furnace in the main?
The card's price went up literally to the moon over the last month compared to 6 months ago.

>>95968667
I don't think I'd say 50 cents to 2.50 is "to the moon"

>>95968667
It's just those decks. With midrange decks like that you don't have the option to just counter remove or anything like that so it can be choice if you come against reanimator. And if you're not against anything in the graveyard, you can just pop it for a draw.

Furnace has started going back down recently though. The Deadguy Ale deck doesn't run it in main. Most decks don't. Often decks will run Tormod's crypt instead in the sideboard. Black can run planar void or withered wretch instead as well so it's not necessary to go with furnace as black.

The price increase since last year is likely due to more people playing pre-modern than before. And of course, the old expansions are generally long out of print and might not get a List reprint. Furnace itself has not been reprinted unlike Tormod's crypt so it is really a more expensive option. You use it if your deck would have an advantage using it or if you want to avoid redirect type effects. Otherwise, Tormod's Crypt in the sideboard is generally the better option.

>>95966803 (OP)
So Warp is like a merging of Evoke and Adventure?

>tomb
>petal
>'tell

>>95968979
I like this girl.

>>95968727
It went from 3€ to fucking 11€ on cardmarket, dude.
>>95968735
You even see it on Sligh now. They're running 1 Phyrexian furnace on main.
It's ridiculous.

>>95966803 (OP)
lol warp is flashforward instead of flashback
busted mechanic

>>95969118
>It went from 3€ to fucking 11€ on cardmarket, dude.
try using a real currency

>>95966803 (OP)
>TQ

>>95969118
also even then it's "only" 6 euros

>>95969190
Are prices really that different in the US vs how they are in the EU?

>>95969217
It's roughly 2-3 times as expensive in euros than it is in dollars

>>95969223
Is there any particular reason for this? I thought more people would be playing old card formats in the US rather than on EU.

>>95969262
Did you think people were joking when they said it's just third worlders playing premodern.

>>95969270
America is a third-world country now?

>>95966803 (OP)
>WARP
So it comes down, does whatevet non-hasted thing it can do, then leaves at the end step? And you can cast it from exile for 6 later?

>>95966803 (OP)
>TQ
>Favorite Eldrazi card?
ALL IS DUST for a one-sided removal unless it's a mirror match

>>95969275
Since Trump? Yes. USA! USA!

>>95969285
yea
main gimmick is probably to crew the space stations

>>95969338
I'm also not talking about premodern. America has a pretty big community that only Old School too right?

>>95969362
The only one I'm aware of is a tiny contingent of people playing '93-'94 and I haven't heard much of them in several years.
Probably someone in the country, at least.

>>95968979
Ok got my card down. 1, 2, 3, reveal!

>>95967946
No.

space stations are garbage vehicles/battles/mounts
warp is garbage evoke/adventure
trash set is trash set

>>95969426
Enjoy your sanic slop then, retard.

>>95969436
I'm curious as to how you get they're battles in your shitposting brain.
That being said, this is by far the best-looking non-ub slop set since bloomburrow so far, though that could change.
Maybe foundations if you count it as a core set.

>>95969452
and I hope you enjoy your favela
be careful, summer can be pretty hot!

>>95968619
Most trans women appear to be black/red.

>>95966803 (OP)
>Favorite Eldrazi card?
The ones that weren't printed. Fuck troondrazi and anyone who likes them. Actual franchise ruining garbage, no coincident they debuted in the set that signaled the end.

>>95969465
Be sure to buy those Final Fantasy cards and the new space themed expansion that's coming out too by the way.

>>95967445
>neither spiderman nor venom have reach or flying
Really?

I love premodern

>>95969613
Same.

Remember when this game had actual good art that didn't pander to weebs, video games and comics for children?
I do. And I miss it.
If you continue to eat up this slop, you're going to get a Naruto expansion any day now. Screencap this post.

>>95969453
>I'm curious as to how you get they're battles in your shitposting brain.

A battle - siege says:
>You cast this as a sorcery and get ETB trigger
>You can tap your creatures to attack it, opponent can defend, and once you deal enough power to match its defense, you unlock its back which can be a creature with abilities or whtaever

An artifact - spacecraft says:
>You cast this as a sorcery and get ETB trigger
>You can tap your creatures to add charge counters without opponent being able to block, and once you match its station value, you unlock it becoming a creature with abilities.

The only differences are that your opponent can't block for it and your creatures all have 'haste'. The balance difference is that stations look like they're fucking garbage ETB triggers and creature value compared to battles.
Most battles are costed on-rate for their ETB triggers compared to sorceries, and the defense is just all pure upside.
Invasion of Mercadia is the exact same as Tormenting Voice. Its one of like 10 copies of the spell with different upsides, like bitter dispute, witch's mark, highway robbery, etc. The upside of Mercadia is that the battle can flip for 4 to become a mediocre spellshaper (3/3 with ability to pay 3, tap, discard, make 2x 1/1 tokens and give your team +1/+0 and haste)
What does a spacecraft give?

FOUR mana for a draw 2 cards discard a card, an effect that normally costs two mana
Station for EIGHT FUCKING POWER to get a 4/4 flying
JESUS CHRIST IS FUCKING SHIT
BATTLES, BUT BAD

>>95969635
Tbf, it was before the turn of the millennium. Blaming UB for the demise of good Magic art is like blaming Teddy Roosevelt for the Civil War.

>>95969466
wasn't xantcha just a girl

>>95966803 (OP)

>>95967740
I wonder if JotC has enough IQ points to weed out their own shills from the survey. It was totally anonymous and you can apparently take it as often as you want. Don't worry, I gave lengthy, detailed descriptions of just how the company was fucking up and why UB is cancer.

>>95969650
Seriously is it so hard to think of new interesting threat that isn't eldrazi/Bolas/Phirexia? Fuck me.

>>95969639
>It's like this except for all these reasons it isn't, the mechanic is SHIT
Glad we're starting off spoiler season strong

>>95968144
WAS. That didn't last. Also, this is what happens when you introduce fake cards into the game, and unlike mark nosewater's filthy fucking lies THIS image is real.

>>95969659
don't worry they mention the slivers too
also the eldrazi deserve to have a fucking decent story since they got shit on hard over a decade ago and we haven't seen them since (in canon)

>>95969657
>I hope wotc is smart enough to remove random people from their surveys because they said they liked a thing
Well wotc is in general a fucking retarded company but I meant what I said, put chaos man or bravely or something and I'll go to the troth like a good little piggy.
Could easily do another set or two on spinoffs and shit they missed the first time

>>95966803 (OP)
>TQ
This one because it shows Emrakul fucking dead.

>>95969639
It has been 9 years since they introduced vehicles. And in those 9 years they haven't figured out that vehicles are utterly unplayable in Limited. Forget Smuggler's Copter or whatever exception there is to that statement they haven't figured out that similarly, equipment was bad - but vehicles are so much worse. There are two unsolved problems here.

Like, really think about that. There's really only two possibilities that lead to that situation: either they don't test Limited or they're testing Limited but they're too incompetent to actually determine what is or isn't playable. Esika's Chariot and Magitek Armor crew themselves - that is basically what every vehicle needs to be playable and they printed maybe one of those ever three years.

"Vehicles suck" - this two-word problem is something Wizards either does not know or cannot solve. It's insane. And for that matter the person you are replying to is too fucking retarded to understand anything but credit for spoonfeeding the retard even if we all know they will still be retarded tomorrow.

One Piece expansion when?

>>95969663
This isn't even a "all mechanics are kicker"
Hell even mounts at least were creatures without being crewed
This is just a battle that says creatures you control can attack it unblocked and with haste
Except they're printed at dogshit unplayable rates unlike battles

>>95967912
Diagnosis: Stage 5. I'm sorry but you've somehow become a sentient tumor. Talking about a cure at this point is moot. You need to start talking about tumor rights.

>>95969682
>Looting is the same as rummaging
>Colors don't matter
>Also bodies lmao
are you trying to defeat your own argument

>>95968615
THIS IS PROBLEMATIC. Don't worry, I'm sure they have now seen this post and every single one from now on will be a gorilla. Still female though. Unless they're angels. Then they're required by law to be black males.

>>95969275
Has been since 9/11. Most people just didn't notice until the 2008 crash or corona.

>>95969687
>Looting is the same as rummaging
The going rate for "draw 2 cards, discard a card, and have another significant upside on top of that" is 2 mana in standard for blue uncommons

This is a blue uncommon that fits that exact mold and costs FOUR mana

>>95969650
*sigh* Remember when eldrazi were cool ad scary?

>>95969680
Gundam expansion when? Just make the gundams vehicles and call it day. Oh and make them actually good like >>95969679 pointed out in great detail.

>>95969701
and they have bodies too, yes

>>95967912
What a fun and interactive game in webm, looks like both players really enjoyed sitting down and playing a game of magic

>>95969466
Humorously, every single card nowadays is designed by a troon. Not even meming. The entire staff at JotC is troons, jews, young sois (soon to be troons) and women (but not in any position that makes decisions). Troons know exactly what they are. That's why every depiction of them in any media is a criminal psychopath. They're proud of this and think this is a good thing. It's why the Tiefling cancer became insufferable. Troons literally want to play actual demons.

>>95969702
>*sigh* Remember when eldrazi were cool ad scary?
they were briefly scary in mh3 after they were in the cuckshed for ages back in bfz

>>95969705
And invasion of mercadia has a body too
It only takes 4 power connecting to unlock it instead of 8
The base spell costs the same as tormenting voice instead of costing a ludicrous 4 mana

>>95969486
Correct opinion. Eldrazi were one of JotC worst mistakes. So of course the fuckers won't go away.

>>95969704
Man, I miss IBO.

>>95969659
God I'm so sick of bolas. When I saw that fucking constellation homicide was my immediate reaction.

>>95969486
>no coincident they debuted in the set that signaled the end.
eldrazi aren't from alara though

>>95969716
naw Eldrazi were great in the one and only set they were done properly
then they were milked for derivative content a half dozen times and awful every single time

The artwork and thematics and names on every single Eldrazi printed after RotE is interchangeable. None of them have any identity or distinctiveness, they water down the uniqueness of the originals

>>95969704
Bamco's revving up their own Gundam card game so unless it ends up as niche as the FF TCG it probably won't be happening. Coincidentally it's the only Bamco TCG to have a Commander style multiplayer option

>>95969725
bfz was ultra trash because maro is a fucking retard and said a dozen times that he hated them and had no idea why people liked them
shadows was marginally better
then they were only in mh3 and were...ok in there

>>95969679
Yes but have you considered the fact that nosewater likes spacemen and rayguns? All of this cancer is directly his doing. I went back and looked at his history. As soon as he entered the company like a foreign body, we got the Weatherlight saga and the affirmative action block (Mirage) literally complete with a card named "Reparations". As soon as he got put in charge for some unfathomable reason (mossad), we got mirrodin, kamigawa and unglued. If you look back at the history of the game, you can literally see nosewater taking fat shits on it at various times. Now is the worst of all.

>>95969704
>>95969731
Gundam was one of the options that they asked about on the survey so they're at least aware of it.

>>95969737
*Unhinged, excuse me

He already shat out unglued in the early days. Hard to keep track of these fake sets nobody wants and has never bought.

>>95969743
are you the same sperg who kept saying ff didn't sell well
what sets DO you think sold?

>>95969702
Eldrazi were never cool. I remember thinking Emrakul was bullshit when it first came out.

Why do people hate UB so much? I genuinely ask because it feels like the shark's been well jumped at this point. I stopped caring about main Magic after Phyrexia led to a wet fart finale and it seems like since then the sets even for mainline have varied from ok to dogshit. I get that it's not thematic for stuff like AssCreed to be in Magic but I don't think anyone's rising up to tell me that Wacky Races is more fitting just because it uses Magic's cast of characters. Things have been all over the place with mainline sets and I feel like it's hard to take the setting as seriously anymore.

>>95969706
You don't understand. The bluish player is playing solitaire. We call that "interaction" because they other player can't play the game. This is like if you play smokestacks bullshit and delete all your opponents permanents and make them discard everything. This is "interaction" because it turns the game into solitaire.

>>95969704
are gundams considered equipment or creatures
would be fitting if char can only equip zeek mechs or something

>>95969733
Wizard's willingness to milk eldrazi for easy bucks but lack of balls to reprint annihilator cards is a joke. Even MH3 only had annihilator 1/2 on 7/8 drops and ulamog, that's it.

Its this stupid fucking pandering to retards with 'muh feels' where you lose a game 'harder'. I mean holy fucking shit if a 15/15 flying is swinging into you, annihilator 6 might as well be flavor text. Its purely a mental hangup people have, losing your permanents when being attacked by a 9/9 or bigger is just a way you're losing the game on top of losing the game, and the fact you 'can' potentially chump block it but survive a turn is just showing it to have another means of evasion via the trigger. If Ulamog's Crusher was a 12/12 trample for 8 and killed you in 2 hits would you be so sad about just fucking dying? But noooo it makes you sacrifice 2 tokens or lands while you try to find a way to kill it
The only mistake of RotE was Dawnglare Invoker

>>95969758
It's 1/3 legitimate complaints of not wanting other IPs (though mtg's IP has been in the gutter for over a decade so the point's a bit moot), 1/3 contrarianism, and 1/3 just plain shitposting.

>>95969721
Man, Alara really was a blessing and curse. Best block of all time, and the beginning of the end. Alara block was like winning the jackpot, buying a mansion, then spending every penny on drugs, prostitutes and gambling before turning into a street-shitting heroin addict.

>>95969766
I mean I mostly agree with you, annihilator was great and devoid is rightfully the most hated "mechanic", if you can call it that.

>>95969765
Well in the Gundam TCG they're the primary combat units while the pilots can be paired with them to boost their stats and activate certain effects if the tags match up. If I were designing the Gundam UB I'd probably do it like that too to add an unorthodox flare. The mobile suits being the creatures then the pilots being equippable artifacts. You could have stuff like Psychoframes be enchantments

>>95969725
Eldrazi were never good and you're the cancer killing this game.

>>95969776
>devoid
>ingest
Maro should be cleaning toilets at Hasbro HQ after that

>>95969733
I'm sure nosewater is the one that came up with the fucking things. They're gay and stupid enough. I still remember the "Make it dumber" meme about Emrakul from when it was first released.

>>95969613
Me too.
It's the only real format left.

>>95969751
It didn't. You can lie all you want, but it won't save your job. Ticky tocky until the next round of layoffs, sweaty!

>noooo you can't just win the game by cheating in a creature that has anti-cheat-in clauses to make you work harder for it

>>95969758
Imagine a thing you like. Now imagine someone you've never heard of bursts into your house and rips it open and shits inside of it. You see he has a scat fetish and can't understand why you don't. What's wrong with you? What's wrong with having shit in everything? ARE YOU POOR?!?!

These things are not MTG and they don't belong in the game.

>>95969758
site is full of angry teenagers who, in buzzword-laden attempts to fit in, all parrot each other's opinions and declare that everything that happens is the worst thing ever

>>95969791
Sorry, sweaty, mossad contracts don't have expiration dates.

>>95966803 (OP)
>Evoke/non-haste dash except it gets to hide in exile, as if it were plotted, for you to cast it at full price
Seems like a cool alternative way to cast something. Considering the warp bite card depicts a eumidian, I really hope we get a decent insect with warp, even if all it does is make a lander token or some shit.

>TQ
I always loved the idea of ingest, but the execution of it was terrible. The amount of cards exiled with it should've been equal to the amount of combat damage dealt. At most they'd only have to nerf a couple of them, pic unrelated.

>>95969810
No one here cares about the lore/story/etc though
Or well, if anyone had any sense they would.
There have been small blips of non-cancer in the past 20 years but there hasn't been shit worth caring about in mtg for ages

>>95969831
Let me let you in on a little secret THE ONLY people still giving enough of a shit to tell shills to go to hell absolutely care about all of those things. Everyone else just checked out and already considers the game dead. JotC is so stupid and arrogant they don't even understand the people giving them shit are their only potential customers because everyone else has already long since abandoned ship.

>>95969865
and as a vorthos I am telling you no one (outside of a few mentally ill people on twitter) give two shits about what the plot of the wacky races set was and if they DID they would be even more disgusted by it
and ABSOLUTELY no one gives a shit about loot

I'm glad I didn't cave and get an FF display, can buy all the nostalgic FF full art cards for peanuts (ff8 especially)

>>95969887
is anyone surprised that singles are cheap when that happens after every set ever?
especially with the trillion boxes or whatever they sold

>>95969758
Annihilator is bad for coomander. In 1v1 it's almost just flavor text if it wasn't sneak attacked or something because you're dead to it anyway. But in commander where you start with 200 life and players choose who to attack based on rolling a die and asking for consent, losing your lands stops you from casting cards that say "your commander" and makes you sad.

>>95969887
>All of the Final Fantasy card prices are finally starting to drop
Maybe I should pick up some Cornelias before they go from $8 to $20 after the ban announcement on Monday.

>>95969766
Annihilator is bad for coomander. In 1v1 it's almost just flavor text a lot of the time if it wasn't sneak attacked or something because you're dead to it anyway. But in commander where you start with 200 life and players choose who to attack based on rolling a die and asking for consent, losing your lands stops you from casting cards that say "your commander" and makes you sad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kAIMlISHhU
>COMIN DOWN THE MOUNTAAAIN

>>95969758
I think it's autism. Kids with autism have an aversion to mixing food and prefer to eat it separately.

>>95969877
You see it's actually kinda funny because the guy I know who is most opposed to UB is also the person that knows the least about the game.
>He asks to see more of Teysa Karlov instead of UB
>He doesn't know she died
>I ask him to name one part of her personality
>He can't
>It was actually a trick question because she has no personality like every other Magic character

>>95969877
Nobody played the wacky races set, reetee. You're talking about survivorship bias. The only retards still playing what's left of this game, true, will consume any slop. They're also about 3% of what the customer base once was.

>>95969972
to be fair her dying didn't matter literally at all
also her personality is she's a vaguely stuck up bitch like all orzhov characters but she wants to do it more humanely since the obzedat were retarded fucks
she also had a killer boob window
but as you said, even the "best" mtg characters are paper thin at their most well-written

>>95969972
Bitch are you retarded? Death doesn't mean shit to an Orzhov fucker. Once upon a time it just meant they'd get even more powerful. And Teysa being butthurt about being killed is just bewildering. Assassinations and ghost shenanigans are not just normal for the Orzhov they're normal FOR HER OWN FAMILY. That set was just jews making the nature-lovers out to be the big bad because they're enemies of all living things.

>>95970001
that one third of trostani was fucked up though
she was killing random people left and right
it's the entire reason the whole plane magically decided to wear detective hats, because no one gave two shits about mooks dying and people only cared when a guild leader died (granted an orzhov one that they knew would come back but, finding the killer would still be important for the non-orzhov)

>>95969994
Characters dying in Magic has literally no consequence. We got a time travel sequence just for more of Urza despite him being gigadead.

>>95970012
Yeah, like I said, typical jewish grievance politics. Jews hate Nature. Dimir's literal fucking job is to destroy Ravnica, but even Krenko - a LITERAL MOB BOSS CRIMINAL is seen as a poor innocent victim, while the holy fucking trinity of dryads overseeing gardening turned into a religion are the big bad.

>>95970032
>a LITERAL MOB BOSS CRIMINAL is seen as a poor innocent victim
because he didn't fucking do the crime? what retardation are you talking about
1/3 of the dryad was the one who did the crime?

>>95970032
you do remember that EVERYONE in ravnica is evil right
trostani isn't good

>>95970044
That piece of shit did nothing BUT crime. He should have been executed YEARS ago.

>>95970050
Is that what nosewater told you?

Niv-Mizzet's pretty bad.
It was really strange how he spent a month organizing the whole Izzet League just so they could get a full recording of Ugin plowing Bolas's brains out, then trying to blackmail Bolas with it. Then he wonders why War of the Spark happened.

>Magic is so saturated by UB that even Magic content creators have resorted to UB (doing crossovers with content creators from other games that aren't dying)

>>95970071
the only crossovers I've seen them do shit with is yugioh and that's even more sad than this shit is

with all the weird thievery / bribery card variants over the years how come we never got something that just spins it to win it proper
like


Burgle {1BB}
Sorcery (R)
Target opponent reveals cards from the top of their library until they reveal a nonland card. You may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Put rest on the bottom of their library in a random order.

>>95970146
Looks FIRE enough to me

>>95970071
As long as the UB is a fantasy IP, then I've started to prefer it to the shit Wizards are doing with normal Magic worlds.

>>95970076
You know it's bad when Magic creators are leeching off MBT for clout.

>>95970149
That's the least fire shit ever
if it was FIRE it would be something like


Helena, Notorious Burglar {1BB}
{artwork of black woman}
Legendary Creature - Human Rogue
Deathtouch
Whenever Helena enters or attacks, target opponent reveals cards from the top of their library until they reveal a nonland card. Exile that card. Put the rest on the bottom of their library in a random order.
Whenever Helena deals combat damage to an opponent, you may cast a card that player owns exiled by Helena without paying its mana cost.
3/3

>>95970183
and to update it for the post-fire era it would be this


Catwoman, Bold Burglar {1BB}
Legendary Creature - Human Rogue
Deathtouch, Menace, Ward {2}
Cat Burglar - Whenever Catwoman enters or attacks, target opponent reveals cards from the top of their library until they reveal a nonland card. Exile that card. Put the rest on the bottom of their library in a random order. Then you may put any number of cards that player owns exiled by Catwoman into their owner's graveyard. Draw cards equal to the number of cards put into graveyards this way.
Whenever Catwoman deals combat damage to an opponent, you may cast any number of cards that player owns exiled by Catwoman without paying their mana costs.
4/3

Since when is the Blind Eternities just space. Are planes analogous to planets or are they different things. Does every plane have also have a universe that's like space or is that between the planes?

>>95970183
>{artwork of black woman}

>>95970200
Jesus, it's like you really work at the company. But seriously what the actual fuck is wrong with these retards?

>>95970242
Sorry, we hadn't finished porting over all of WarCraft lore into MTG yet. Please be patient and understand we are a small, publicly-traded company.

~Namaste

>>95970200
you forgot that catwoman is also going to be {artwork of black woman}

>>95970309
I for one can't wait for the Culling of Stratholme card
Arthas did nothing wrong
Jaina and Uther are cowardly traitors

>>95970331
My favorite part of the "LotR" set was how they turned Gandalf into a chink, but couldn't quite decide what race they wanted him to be. By the way, did you know that Kayla bin-Kroog is actually white and beautiful, not a fat nigress? Yeah JotC literally just "modernized" her for no reason other than attractive white people BAD. Her grandson Jarsyl is still white as the driven snow for some inexplicable reason. JotC is getting to UK levels of race nonsense now.

>>95970183
>That's the least fire shit ever
3 mana to steal something off the top for free is retarded yes
you fags do remember what it is and not just your random boogeyman, right?
>>95970242
This some nebulous shit that's outside of the multiverse.
No I'm not kidding, it's called the "edge" for a reason, literally the entire multiverse is, presumably at least, a sphere, and the edge/where all this space shit is happening is a disc/area/whatever surrounding it
Yes it's fucking retarded.

>>95970366
Stealing shit or FIRE design?

Stealing shit is a broken mechanic that doesn't belong in the game. No, I don't care about your favorite example from some old set. It's shit.

FIRE design is JotC fucking everything up.

>>95966803 (OP)
d- does this really happen?

>>95970388
yes. Ever since I got into Final Fantasy MTG (TM) all the hot babes have been fawning over and and my peen has been increased by 5 red mana

>>95970388
Ha ha.

>>95970355
I mean she was described in the original mtg lore not just the comics
>In her youth, she was allegedly the most beautiful woman east of the Mardun river, with clear eyes of the deepest brown and lustrous, raven-black hair, and soft lips that just verged on pouting. As the princess, her people fell over themselves to offer her samples of goods or compliment her or offer her things just so they could say she had stopped at their store.

She authored The Antiquities War and was explicitly an anti-artificer who hated artifacts, part of her failed relationship with Urza.
The card actually fucking places her at the reconstruction of Penregon with Tawnos and then gives her an ability that puts artifacts into play

>beautiful white woman race swapped to fat black woman
>does the exact opposite of what she's known for in lore

>>95970183
>>95970200
Make it Grixis and "each opponent" instead of "target opponent" so it has more value as a commander and doesn't lead to feelsbads about targeting specific players.

>>95970380
FIRE is retarded shit like cori, not just slapping random effects and bad arts on a legend.

>>95970366
>3 mana to steal something off the top for free is retarded yes
>you fags do remember what it is and not just your random boogeyman, right?

okay zoomer

>>95970421
...is this a joke?
are you mentally retarded? illiterate? both? some other thing? No really what inane thought process did you have that you think any of these are even SIMILAR besides bribery? Which is restricted to a creature and is 2 cmc more (and blue), which is then only similar.
Word of command has more in common with fucking skullclamp than your retarded idea and grinning totem still makes you pay for the spell.
Please, explain yourself. I know you won't, you sniveling retarded worm, but please, try.

>>95970428
Did I just use word of command on a counterspell in your hand to force you to counter your own argument or what?
How does it feel to make the argument;
>Which is restricted to a creature
When the other two cards aren't restricted to creatures

Getting a card out of an opponents hand or library is inherently random and you can't control it. Thievery effects have existed since ALPHA

>>95970355
>>95970409
Modern writers saw "bin-kroog" and thought "bix-nood", then concluded she must be black.
Lumao.

>>95970439
I'm not talking about thievery effects in general you fucking shit-eating mongrel jesus fucking christ what is wrong with you you illiterate baboon.
Though I see that you couldn't even try to cover your ass for your insanity and just go off on a tangent because you don't even know what you're talking about in the first place.
Kill yourself and do it slowly, make sure your parents know how retarded their son was as he went out.

>>95970388
Yeah these look like the only people still playing this game.

>>95970444
Imagine being this much of a newfag you didn't even realize thievery effects that cheat mana, take from opponent's hand or library and cost even less have all existed in various forms since the beginning of the game

Paying 5 mana to get their best creature is way better than paying 3 mana to get a random fucking card that could be a cut down you can't even cast.

>tfw playing premodern with the boys in your favella while the sopa de macaco is getting ready

>>95970409
Sounds about right. I'll never forget when someone told me the Eldrazi had been retconned to be planar clean-up crew, which is LITERALLY THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF THE ORIGINAL LORE WHICH WAS WHY THEY HAD TO BE DEALT WITH TO BEGIN WITH.

>>95970415
>just slapping random effects and bad arts on a legend
How is that *not* FIRE design? I mean as long as you staple enough abilities to a creature that the text box becomes a short novel, it's FIRE.

>>95970454
>If magical christmas land happens at the right time under the right circumstances and I mash together three wildly different effects then my argument totally makes sense!
Make it slow, make it painful, but most of all, just do it, it will be your one positive contribution to the world.

>>95970421
>Game has to be shit because I found old card that is shit
HE DID IT! HE DID THE THING!!!

Favela dwellers are trying too hard

>>95970456
Uma delicia!

>>95970442
Kayla bin kroogin'.

>>95970458
>I'll never forget when someone told me the Eldrazi had been retconned to be planar clean-up crew
whoever told you that is a fucking retard because that was never said anywhere
they eat, shit out bismuth, and that's about it, though I don't blame them for not reading the lore around the time it was horrendous.

>>95970444
I am. Theft effects are dogshit and they need to be quarantined to shitty "games" like HearthStone's niggerpriest decks where they belong. We're white. We don't do that shit here.

>>95970454
Theft is shit. Go to hell.

>>95970476
To be fair, I never read any of the nushit either. But I honestly believe them. It doesn't sound like something you would just make up. It was too specific, as if they'd read it somewhere.

>>95970012
She didn't kill random people she kept killing people that exploited and profit from the war. People only took notice when high ranking guild members were being targeted.

>>95970480
>noooo you can't just cast bribery to take the morphling out of my deck
imagine being this buttblasted

>>95970510
This card makes posters in this thread shit their pants.

>>95970483
It was just the most popular theory. Still Emrakul's arc end with stopping the corruption because there was still life on the plane and the other titans were dead.

>>95969466
arent the first two orcs?

>>95970514
Meh.

>>95970514
NOOOOO noo no no you can't just get a FREE CARD AT RANDOM

Which tranny that works at JotC is this? It has an uncanny face that a real life troon would have. I don't believe someone would illustrate this without a model.

>>95970477
>We're white
Post hand

How are you supposed to play control when every creature basically reads

>3 mana
>draw a card on etb
>draw a card on attack
>deal 5 damage per attack

>>95970602
I owe you nothing and I will comply with no requests you make.

>>95970626
Didnt you know? Control is non-existent right now. You can only play Combo (Omniscience) or Red that's it.

>>95970626
Control games take too long for mobile arena users and removal violates the spirit of coomander.

>>95970634
>T. Favela frendo

>>95970626
You play Historic on Arena

>>95970648
Which is ironic since aggro is heavily nerfed in Alchemy formats and isn't competitive at all. Alchemy has too much life gain for aggro to deal with it, it stabilises boards too fast.

>>95970661
See pic rel which deals Hearthfire hero and screaming nemesis with brutal 1 mana efficiency.

>>95970626
I'm playing Control in in Pioneer, UW is really strong

>>95970661
>>95970663
>Alchemy
This is worse than UB shit and hideous Secret Lairs.

>>95970661
Do you have to keep a turn 1 thoughtseize hand in historic or die on turn 2 every game?

They make Eldrazi again, but put it in the fucking xwing set.... I fucking hate wizards so much.

>>95970674
It's literally what started it. JotC getting the stupid idea in their heads that they can put fake cards in the game.

Uh guys...I just remembered minion is a creature type. I don't feel so good...

>>95970674
Don't say that, historic actually gives tools to deal with aggro

>>95970678
No, there's no red decks in historic because the format is dominated by Sorin and tell

Historic has no aggro, none.

>>95970685
I wonder if Eldrazi Winter is coming again.

>>95970686
And let's not forget, this: >>95969670
was the immediate result.

>roll dice to attack
>ask for the table's consent
>consider what feelings a card might induce when played against before adding it to the deck
>read the table, don't counter that spell if it'll ruin the mood
>don't win too fast
why is commander so fucking gay?

>>95970706
Shills have said this enough times it must be the plan. Too bad it won't work out that way.

>>95970706
As long as they just keep any of the xwings and tesla trucks out of the eldrazi art I can live with it.

>>95970704
But shitposting aside Historic is in a far worse state than standard at high levels of play because of shit like this. You get thoughtstealed so much

>>95970626
play this list
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7199588#paper
I'm 9-0 against red decks with it, the problem is that some players are fucking stubborn as shit and don't concede even though there's no way they can comeback so some matches take and extra 20 minutes to finish

>>95970388
They don't even look like magic cards. How far have we truly fallen that now there are scene-kids and thots on the internet making videos about nu-mtg.

>>95970709
You're forgetting
>don't concede when you're being attacked for lethal
someone in the edh thread was raging about it yesterday in relation to one of the new sonic cards.

>>95970704
red decks don't kill you on turn 2, combo does
ex>>95967912

>>95970722
Say you're in that matchup on the draw
80 card deck
4x march and 13x untapped white sources on turn 1
If you don't get a march and untapped white source in hand you lose no matter what you do, nothing else in your whole deck or sideboard can stop it

>>95970718
Alchemy isn't real cards. I have access to Magic Set Editor also. And if you insist on playing with alchemy mechanics, why not just play the game they all came from: HearthStone.

>>95969639
>Most battles are costed on-rate for their ETB triggers compared to sorceries, and the defense is just all pure upside.
>Invasion of Mercadia is the exact same as Tormenting Voice.
Tormenting Voice hasn't been "on-rate" for years.
Lion's share of Battles are slightly below rate or are at rate of instants while being sorcery speed.

I don't disagree with your main point, just wanted to add my three cents.

>>95970758
t. Tard

>>95970753
>you lose no matter what you do
that hasn't happened yet, but when it does I'll let you know I guess

>>95970709
>Shut down entire board and bounce cards off your opponent's head
>Tie him to chair so he can't just abandon your bullshit
>Giggle like a retard as you slam your blue (of course) cards on the table one by one as slowly as possible
>Think to yourself "This is real Magic!"
Why are you all such fucking faggots. False dichotomies are CIA demon-worship and must be destroyed.

We don't HAVE to have overpowered bomb creatures OR removal spam.

We don't HAVE to have stax, blue permission or some other such solitaire fucking nonsense OR cummhander retardation pushed by JotC.

This entire worldview you've created is fake and it's going to cost you the company.

>>95970751
Be quiet.

>>95970758
Tormenting voice keeps getting reprinted with set mechanic, invasion of mercadia is just one in a very long list of those
Some instant, some with extra modes
>bitter reunion
>cathartic reunion
>demand answers
>desperate ravings
>grab the prize
>kickoff celebration
>saheeli's lattice
>sazacap's brew
>thrill of possibility
>wild guess
>witch's mark

Invasion of Mercadia is one of the worse battles but its clearly being treated as what wizards believes is "sorcery effect baseline at this mana cost, before you add some upside". And the upside is the battle being flippable
Invasion of Zendikar was used by domain for its whole competitive heydey, just 4 mana sorcery to get 2 basics. And it got power crept by Map the Frontier, since you could put 1x arid archway 1x conduit pylons in your deck and it would ramp 2, surveil 2, draw an extra land.

Rest of battles follow that line of sorcery costing a normal mana value for its effect that you'd get with other upsides normally
>Invasion of Azgol is a 2 mana sorcery edict
>Invasion of Ergamon is 2 mana rummage + treasure
>Invasion of Ixalan is 2 mana impulse
>Invasion of Tolvada is 5 mana reanimate
>Invasion of Regatha is flames of the blood hand / pulse of the forge
etc etc

>>95970775
>T. Cummander player

>>95970775
i play modern boros burn though

I would say I noticed a decline in quality ideas and unnecessary increase bloat around the release of the Tempest block of expansions.

Game has been shit for over two decades, approaching three.

>>95970794
Like I said, I agree with your main point.

>>95970809
7th was the PEAK, ngl

>>95970812
This is the internet I demand you argue with me faggot

>>95970751
>edh thread
I'm glad I don't play that nonsense. It's a shame it's coming to standard soon. I guess there is a reason why the west is declining.

>>95970833
What do you mean it's coming to standard soon?

remember when this lil nigga was playable?

>>95970799
Never touched the stuff. Also, you missed the point, dumbass.

BUT YOU SEE
we must sit here for 10 minutes while I loop 2x marangs and a 2 drop creature to draw/discard through my whole deck a few cards at a time and assemble a board of 4x marangs and a couple counterspells in hand and keep shuffling my graveyard back into my library xxxd
all so my deck could have the extremely slight advantage of having ONE count it ONE extra minor creature as a blocker and cantrip instead of running a founding the third path for a deterministic same turn kill or having 59/60 identical cards in my deck and a copy of arcavios to win on the spot xdddd

> warp is evoke on steroids
fuggggggg

>>95970904
we've seen one warp card and its trash
>pay 4 mana on turn 4 to cheat a 4 mana card onto the battlefield and then be able to later... cast the card you already had in hand
>literally zero effect on its own

>>95970833
Based Premodern player.

>>95970916
Screencapped. See you in 3 months.

put me in the screencap

>>95970916
>we've seen one card and it's bad, therefor the entire mechanic is bad
It's just evoke, except you can cast the creature for real after evoking it. It's like if evoking mulldrifter drew you two cards and a mulldrifter.

>>95970916
Oh god... Is another "Draft chaff" Scenario...
Seriously /mtgg/ you actually play this?

>>95970951
It's another "lightning is a staple of boros energy" scenario.

>>95970936
Nobody would ever evoke a card that said
>4 mana
>put a 4 mana card from your hand onto the battlefield
all you did was put yourself down -1 card like a retard

Evoking a mulldrifter is divination, a playable effect on its own, except on top of that you can exploit it with flicker effects to cheat it in and get a second ETB
That's the whole point of that chain:
>>95970794
>>95970758
>>95969639
>>95969436

A mechanic is only as good as its costed aggressively
we've seen one warp card and its baseline effect does absolutely fucking nothing

>I tap 4 of my 5 swamps and warp my Anticausal Vestige. At the end of my turn, I exile it and put Sheoldred onto the battlefield tapped
>Next turn I get to cast Vestige from exile! VALUE TOWN

>>95970847
my dream is for us to get a 10th card type so I can make 10/11 goyfs

>>95970971
No one is saying the card is good retard, just that it's pretty likely there will be at least one good card with the ability. There are awful evoke creatures too.

>>95970992
>Sheoldred
she's rotating lil bro

>>95970895
This is like real Magic™!

>>95970951
>>95970965
How many times do you shills need to be told this fucking shit? We KNOW it's YOU posting these dumb as dogshit comments.

>>95970847
It will be playable again once they make a Battle worth using

>>95970994
And how does this conflict with
>we've seen one warp card and its trash
Mechanics are only as good as wizards chooses to price them
We've already seen two spacecraft that are both overpriced shit because they overvalue the impact of the mechanic
We've already seen one warp card that's overpriced
Both spoilers included rare cards so we know we can't expect the power ceiling to be much higher

How many mounts did you need to see before you realized saddle was dog shit

>>95970847
I do remember right now, yes. You guys should really learn the difference between "playable" and "top tier". Unplayable cards put up 0 results.

>>95971030
Did they give up on battles? Don't follow modern mtg but curious I never saw em pop up again

>>95971045
Sure I guess so, but then it's pretty pointless to talk about mechanics at all. Storm is awful if every storm card does literal nothing, Sweep is nuts if your Sweep card wins the game.
Main point here is that the mechanic is innocuous enough that they won't intentionally power down every card with the mechanic(cipher), but powerful enough that they really don't even have to over push a card for it to be a standard staple(spacecraft). I'd be surprised if we didn't get some sort of 'Flame-Warp Kav' or a mulldrifter with how much designers love cramming a billion call-backs into every set now, and something like that would probably be pretty good.

>>95971110
Yes, they pretend to still support them for later sets but no battle has been printed since march of the machine, not even in supplemental products with fake cards or alchemy jizzle

>>95966803 (OP)
If you Warp it and then Flick it, do you still need to sac it at the end of the turn?

>>95971157
nope exact same interaction as evoke except
>it sticks around until your end step so you can flicker it at sorcery speed
>its shit and evokes not

I’m so tired of JOTC art direction making every mono white card into an Orzhov creature

>>95971219
?

>Station 8+
>Station 9+
>Station 7+
>Station 8+
>"Station only as a sorcery"

What the actual fuck were they thinking with this one?

>Evoke but it dies at the end step instead.
WARPBROS?!?
WE EATIN'!?

BUSTED ASS ABSOLUTE FUCKING BROKEN GARBAGE BROS?!
IS IT OUR TIME?!

>>95971222
Dooes it matter? you want is their ETB, it becoming a creature is either pointless or there will be ways to cheat it.

>>95971221
>token Asian on the Asian plane
I can’t remember the last time I saw Caucasian skin on white cards after 2015.
Besides Thalia at least. And even then they made her look ugly.

>>95971243

>>95971222
wew lad its turn 4 and you played a loot spell, now you have the choice
do you attack your opponent for 4 damage and run into their blockers and trade
or do you tap to station 4/8 of your scanship and have NOTHING left to block on board and completely open yourself to being slapped on the backswing, just so NEXT turn you can once again tap your team down just to get the wonderful wonderful payoff of a 4/4 flying

>>95970163
That's actually I think a part of why the FF set has been selling like gangbusters. It fits Magic really well unlike every other UB set besides maybe LotR. It appeals to FF fans and makes some MtG fans interested in FF. Only real bad I hear about the set is that the prices are a gouging nightmare and I'm inclined to agree there. Serialized cards are a mistake, Secret Lairs are a mistake.

>>95971283
>Nigmourne
How nice of them to include a minority(white)

>>95971303
>That's actually I think a part of why the FF set has been selling like gangbusters
LOL NO.

Main reasons (Not particular order)
1) Standard Legal
2) Decent power wise set

Being a fantasy set is of no consequences. other wise DD and LOTR sets would have sold as well or even better

>>95969679
All of the good vehicles do something beyond simply becoming a creature to attack / defend with. Copter is a constant source of looting (on top of being a low cost 3/3 flyer), Chariot makes two cats, Hearse was a great GY hate tool on top of being a late-game threat, etc.

>>95971323
>2) Decent power wise set
What? Are you serious?

>>95971394
Terrra, Vivi, Sephirot, Cloud. Yuna, Buster Sword Its not super meta warping but its not a bad set by any means

>>95971416
Of those cards only and i remark ONLY Vivi is seeing play. The rest of cards you mentioned go from Needs rotation to be playable (Yuna) to absolute Meme (Cloud)

The set by any means was a weak ass shit, and that's something everyone knows.

>>95971416
>Buster Sword
Please go back to the coomander thread. This card is so laughably ridiculously unplayable in any format where your opponents aren't letting your creatures live to "not be mean."

>>95971471
all those are seeing play, you only think of VIVI cause it went by default into the meta current meta nightmare of Izzet Progress

CMV:

drake hatcher is bad in izzet prowess
vivi is bad in izzet prowess
anything with no immediate damage or haste and dies to removal 1:1 and doesn't come online by turn 3 is bad in izzet prowess

If they could kill your vivi or hatcher they could kill your slickshot showoff. If they can't, your slickshot kills them in ONE HIT and it also gets around sorcery speed interaction. But these guys cut all copies of slickshot so they can run drake hatchers lmao. It doesn't even have evasion and can't connect without rage. Hell, some even cutting copies of rage

>>95971490
This, a buddy in my playgroup pulled Buster Sword and asked "Hey, should I keep this or sell it?" and upon seeing that our LGS is offering $50.00 cash for them straight up I told him that is the easiest decision ever and you can buy other cards that are actually good.

Any dark horse / late bloomer cards from FIN yet? Note I'm just talking about stuff that has been performing above average, not talking about cost or value or other "investment" shit.

I have had good results with Dark Knight's Greatsword. It isn't 4x in the main type of good, but as a 1 or 2 of it has been putting in work.

>>95971551
would be a fun card with deep cavern bat if games lasted longer than 3 turns

>>95971303
>the FF set has been selling like gangbusters
It hasn't. If this constantly barraged talking point had ANY validity we wouldn't be seeing the shit we're seeing.

- NOBODY is playing with the cards in any format
- They have to change standard in Nippon to FORCE people to play with FF cards, just like they had to do with Homelands
- Draft is failing and they're trying to change the rules because nobody is even drafting the fucking thing
- Pro tour was clearly a fake event with a choreographed win by a fully dressed up mascot for FF horseshit

This is not what "OMG THE HIGHEST SELLING SET OF ALL TIME!!!!!!!" looks like.

>>95971598
>- NOBODY is playing with the cards in any format
Nobody care about constructed format anymore, the set sell to the casual commanders players crowd an also to scalpers and other investors. 60 cards constructed players have become a minority, especially in paper.

>>95971314
Honestly, he looks like a hapa.

>>95971551
Diamond Weapon has been a solid fun-of-one-of

>>95971623
Missed the part where nobody is drafting the shit either, did we? I don't believe for one second that market speculator kikes are the only ones buying this shit and the whole game has just turned into a speculative bubble. While true for a lot of our economy. There is no fucking way MTG still has enough of an audience to even make this physically possible. I'm sorry no. This is just yidsney buying its own Captain Marvel tickets all over again.

>>95971623
This. Any discussion about POWER LEVEL in FF is ridiculous, this cards are not selling because they are good or bad in Constructed (they are bad) they are selling because all the EDH faggots, the casual retards and the idiotic "fans" would buy them, and Scalpers knowing that are making their business

>>95971650
>Missed the part where nobody is drafting the shit either, did we?
And you missed the parts when I say you also had all the commander players and casual buying it.

I only support the Purity format, which doesn’t allow any UB cards of any kind.

>>95971714
>Purity
Another fake shit without support?

>>95970388
Yes, making them wait is indeed hot.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_sexual_denial

>>95971303
>selling like gangbusters
Oh did they hire the Pinkertons again?

>>95971714
We used to have those. They were called Standard and Pioneer.

>>95966803 (OP)
...
Which brood is it from?

Ulamog and Kozilek are dead, Emrakul is sealed in a moon, and that thing doesn't look like the progeny of any of the three.

i just want to play my boi kuja in a format in a competitive way... without getting fucked by combo or erased in turn 3 by aggro... is that so difficult?

>>95971817
Ulakek.

>>95971841
From MH3? I thought that was noncanon what-if. Their corpses actually did fuse?

>WotC is full speed ahead with Commander
>Puts UB which no one wants into Standard
Why are they doing this?

>>95971885
best selling set of all time

What would it take for WotC to drop all politically correct shit as every company is abandoning DEI? For fuck sakes, Xbox which is full of all that shit is firing 2000 employees and shutting down multiple studios.

>>95971895
>No proof

>>95971907
If they stopped making money, it'd be gone within the week.

>>95971885
Because they are not only evil but also don't care by their stablished player base to the point that they would rather have short term gains from people like FF fans that will buy this set and never waste a penny on this game until the next one in three years. Meanwhile anyone who actually cared for this game already is playing something else.

>>95971885
Because standard is for consoomer paypigs, and paypigs DO want UB sets to match their funko pops.

>>95971915
Maro's been pretty open about when sets have sold poorly in the past. If he doesn't want to talk about sales numbers, he just doesn't answer. Plus there's an equal amount of proof for any set selling any amount, maybe OG kamigawa was actually the best selling set of all time and every other set has taken a loss.

>>95971907
WorC is full of ex-xbox employees, who left before the anti-dei cull.

Hell, they just forced out their entire white male staff from their D&D side. There's literally no one there left that's been there for more than like 5 years. It is a BLOODBATH over on that side.

If Rosewater doesn't start playing up the size of his nose and wear a yarmulke to work, even he might be on the chopping block soon.

>>95971885
they're extracting as much money from the game as they can. is it sustainable? no, but it can go on for years possibly more than a decade given the prestige and legacy that mtg has built up over the years

>>95971964
It's actually worse than that, all WotC white male staff were forced to genuflect before a trans statue of baphomet, castrate themselves to circumcise their severed penis, and then devour a newborn child as they recite the Torah. Really shocking stuff.

>>95971997
I'm not certain about this - 2025 is going to be insane on annual investor reports with a never-before seen spike with FIN and absolutely no one buying Spider-Man and Avatar. There isn't even a speculator market for those.

The best part about playing pauper is knowing that amerimutts don’t know how to, and it’s important to attend paupergeddons, so that you can remind negroes (american'ts) that they can’t have anything good in life. They’re allowed to have Cuckmander and Memedern, and Rugpulls. Hey, that's a pretty good grass roots format... Not that a nigger would know HAHA HAHAHAHAHA

>>95970751
This is absolutely vital because so many cards now give you tempo when they dead combat damage.
If you concede before the damage step you are literally griefing and should be penalized.

HAHAHA TURN 2 INVASION OF ERGAMON
DISCARD OMNISCIENCE MAKE A TREASURE

>YOUR GO

>>95972121
Like clockwork. What an absolute meme format, you're not even allowed to concede without players throwing tantrums.

>>95972123
i scoop, gg

>>95971678
Except they didn't. And I forgot to add

- JotC deleted the comments section of Gatherer right before the release of """MTG""" Final Fantasy.

>>95971723
It's called actual Magic: The Gathering, you kike.

>>95971931
Nosewater is the cancer killing the company and lies as often as he breathes.

>>95971918
You forgot that dark money funding sources are the norm for entertainment companies now, because states use them as propaganda outlets.

>>95971907
So long as one spic breathes at Eglin Air Force Base or one jew inhabits the Earth this stupid fucking 1960s hippie mentality will NEVER die. We will literally have to make a world war over it to make it stop.

>>95972173
>the dark money only funds wotc, and not all of the other companies who have dropped the false pretenses
keep your story straight, bud

>>95971919
They're not even getting short term gains though. Their quarterly reports are dire as fuck, they keep laying everyone off, Arena is hemorrhaging players and they can't even get anyone to play with their bullshit fake cards anymore. Counterfeiters are likely making more money on these cards than JotC is at this point. And I'm not even joking about that. Counterfeiters are LITERALLY making higher quality cards than the god damned company is now. When you're doing well financially, you don't have to play jewish tricks like artificially limiting supply to make it look like your product is selling out due to demand rather than you just intentionally limiting supply. This is NOT what successful companies do.

>>95971964
Same with MTG. All their designers are the same handful of kikes that have been rotting up the place for 20 years or a new batch of trannies every few years. And the tranny thing is not even a joke. Literally look up ANY "creative" working on what passes for MTG these days. If they're not a kike like nosewater, they are 100% guaranteed to be a tranny. The funniest thing is all the trannies are white. There are 0 women and 0 minorities other than kikes on the team at this point. So all their virtue signalling is the same all bourgeois hippie bullshit of do what I say, not what I do at my surgeon's office.

>>95971997
No you're wrong. FF killed the game. By end of year this game will be a trainwreck of ruin. And I don't just mean of design, which has been the case for years. Real consequences are coming to this rotten company. By next year I expect them to close the MTG office doors.

>>95972031
This isn't even a joke. This is just the reality of that office now. The only white males allowed in the building at this point have she/her pronouns in their twitter bio or are open faggots.

>>95972071
Lol keep making shit up and we'll keep dancing on your grave, faggot.

>>95972160
>- JotC deleted the comments section of Gatherer right before the release of """MTG""" Final Fantasy.
It has been years since gatherer comments didn't work.

>>95972121
What are you retarded? Nobody is required to play this game. You can quit any time you want. This isn't an Australian voluntary quarantine camp.

Rosewater is just the fall guy.

>>95972182
>other companies who have dropped the false pretenses
Name one. Every single one of these dying glownigger "comanies" are just federal agencies spreading propaganda now, and despite all of pedowood claiming (lying) to pull back on the DEI bullshit it's literally never been worse. In entertainment, in politics. Nowhere.

>>95972263
You said that already, shill.

>>95972252
Spider-Man:
- legal nightmare as Marvel's lawyers thought at the last possible moment that Arena digital cards will "compete" with Snap somehow
- WotC has to spend double to now remake all of the digital cards with new art, etc
- almost certainly limits what UB IPs WotC will be willing to work with in the future due to how this shook out

Avatar:
- show / IP that hasn't been relevant in years
- preview card that they want to hype the set up with looks like it has its art taken from an actual still frame of the show, honestly looks like a bad proxy and that is the one "hype" card they want to showcase?
- zero thought given to the design (literal waterbending, earthbending, etc as named mechanics), the last set to hit this on the nose was Assassins' Creed and look how good it did

>>95972272
Is that why the game has literally become the very incarnation of what he's been trying to turn it into for nearly 30 years? Yes, all just coincidence the mainstream continuity is now indestinguishable from his bullshit acorn universe complete with spaceships and robots. NOT constructs. Robots.

>>95972304
Death to your family.

>>95972272
No. There was a time when he was a great designer and was doing fantastic work. That is what makes current era Rosewater truly disappointing. After the M30 "We will never break the spirit of the reserve list" and then three weeks later announcing M30 it is pointless to listen to him at all.

>>95972314
He was never good. He was just jewish. Yet another nepo hire in a 2,000 year long history of nepo hires. And he killed the fucking game dead.

>>95972322
Strongly disagree. In the Tempest-Invasion-Odyssey era he was good. It has been a long-ass time since then, though.

>>95972314
Btw can you name something actually good he's ever done? Because you shills keep saying this bullshit, but nobody can ever point to anything, whereas EVERYONE can submit the laundry list of his fuckups, several of which have been absolutely devastating blows to the game such as Mirrodin or the ocean of clownpiss that is the acorn universe.

>>95972328
GIVE AN EXAMPLE. NAME ONE THING.

>>95972295
No I didn't you fucking schizo. Gatherer comments have been disabled since 2015.

>>95972342
Be quiet now.

https://old.reddit.com/r/freemagic/comments/1l8merq/gatherer_comments_are_gone/

>>95972322
>>95972330
>>95972337

>Me: Shitting on Rosewater
>Anons: "WHY ARE YOU A SHILL"

>>95972348
https://tappedout.net/mtg-forum/general/will-wotc-ever-repair-the-comments-on-the-gatherer/
Yes and if you read the what you linked link they also said it has been years since they didn't work. Them removing them is more of a proof they expect new people to use the gatherer and don't want them to see a broken comments section because until now they were happy to let them disabled for 10 years without doing anything.

This is what UB has done to this game. Just look at this thread is a shitshow of 0 discussion about Magic: The Gathering card game. No decks, no cards just a completely pandemonium of shit flinging.

>>95969797
>nosewater
He wasn't in charge, but he probably was the one who came up with it given that most of the sets with the gamebreaking nonsense came when he was in charge.

>>95972362
No you said he was good. I told you to present a single shred of evidence that he was EVER good. You still haven't, btw.

>>95972391
MTG is dead, you dumb fucker. What are we supposed to be discussing? Final Fantasy? Sanic? Avatar?

>>95972392
OH THAT'S WHY TINKER DODGED A BAN FOR SOME INCONCEIVABLE REASON. IT WAS FROM THE ONLY SET IN URZA BLOCK THAT ROSEWATER DIRECTED. THAT'S SO FUNNY.

>>95972401
>There was a time when he was a great designer and was doing fantastic work. That is what makes current era Rosewater truly disappointing

Want to know how I know you can't fucking read?

WotC needs to hire Gay Bolas poster. The story will turn into complete fagslop (or rather, fagslop that's dragon-flavored instead of lesbian-flavored) but at least it would be cohesive and well-written.

>>95972412
>HE LITERALLY COMMENTED AGAIN WITHOUT POSTING ANY EVIDENCE
Name something good he did. One thing. Just one. In almost thirty fucking years. This must be easy since he's been such a fucking boon to the company.

>>95972428
You can see it clear as day here, anon:
>>95972392

Like I said, Tempest - Invasion - Odyssey was a good design era led up by him. If you even vaguely played back then you would know this. Everything afterwards was a slide down to where we are now.

>>95972437
You can't just name an entire block. What did HE do? Did he make the entire thing himself? Is that what you're going to fucking sit there and claim? We KNOW what things Mark Rosewater has done PERSONALLY ant they're all cold catshit. So what did HE do? I mean you don't have to try so hard. If you wanted to be as big of a stupid asshole as you're being you could've just said "Um, Magic: The Gathering?"

>>95972391
This thread is full of schizo not caring about reality and inventing things to get mad about even if wotc already give people enough reason to shit on them. You can't discuss with them since they will have a meltdown as soon as you tell them they are getting mad at a problem that only exists in their own head.

>>95972454
Be quiet. Adults are speaking.

>>95972453
Arena newfag confirmed and larping as a longtime player. Got it. Moving on.

>>95972461
I've been playing longer than you've been alive, oh groomed one.

So that settles it then. Even the faggots trying to come to the filthy kike's defense can't name a single thing good he's done for the company in THREE FUCKING DECADES. The best we get is "He was associated with a block that was kind of alright once". That's it? That's your big win? Why is this fucker employed again?

>>95972459
>Adults are speaking.
Fun way to write /pol/tard schizos having a meltdown.

>>95972478
Can you imagine having this kind of job security? Just be an absolute fucking pox on your own company for thirty fucking years and never even get reprimanded? Jesus christ. This skinwalker will take the company to the grave with him. Why the hell did Richard Garfield ever allow this shit to happen?

>>95972478
He completely doomed the game when he made Ravnica. Just the worst possible idea that shifted the game into what it is today.

>>95972478
Can you name a single bad thing he has done, without resorting to posting his blog comments?

>>95972454
>a problem that only exists in their own head.
>there is no problem here! nothing to see here!
this is what a true shill looks like.

>>95972544
- The Acorn bullshit, which he's now fully integrating into mainstream continuity
- Mirrodin which set a shitload of bad precedents
- His constant obsession with sci-fi bullshit and incessant (and now totally successful) attempts to force it into a game it does not fit in
>B-b-but Urza
Shut up.
- His incessant lying to the player base, promising one thing, then delivering another
- UB horseshit, which killed the game dead, then lying about it being the most profitable thing the game has ever done

Those are just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are dozens more specific examples that can be pointed to.

>>95972544
Also
>without resorting to posting his blog comments?
LOL

>>95972168
This. It’s basically the already established formats (not alchemy) but without using UB. Only pure decks for me.

>>95972562
Btw, it also needs to be mentioned, once again, that nosewater has been continuously allowed to push every one of these cancerous things REPEATEDLY, DESPITE them never making money. The un-sets have ALWAYS been flops, even with the land scam they tried. Nosewater has repeatedly lamented this, yet they keep returning to that bullshit like a dog to vomit and now they're turning the game into it, despite it being a monumental failure every time it's been tried. Vehicles are hated. Hat sets are hated. UB shit is hated. Alchemy is hated. Why does this fucking company keep doing shit that the majority of players DESPISE and refuse to stop?

Largely, because of mark rosewater.

why you even come here to discuss about something you clearly hate?

>>95972544
>mirrodin
>ravnica
>innistrad
he made all the worst planes

>>95970993
You can already make your goyfs huge with pic related.

>>95972606
Because I don't hate MTG. I hate YOU and I want your influence the fuck out of the game I love.

>>95972544
>>95972562
I’m just tired of his eternal white-bashing by saying every strong white card is a break, mistake, or shouldn’t be printed, while telling players that efficient white removal is a TALL ASK.
Having someone like that having ANY kind of creative control over a game like Magic and having an open blatant hatred for one singled out color is horrifically detrimental to the health of the game.

Name a single good wotc designer. You cannot.

>>95972626
I'm tired of these dumb fuckers not even understanding the game to begin with. We can't have lucky charms anymore (despite them being in the game since fucking Alpha) because "Um sorry sweaty, life gain is only for white" Who the fuck made that rule up? Certainly not Richard Garfield. But the worst part is the total nonsense that's been going on in the color pie in the past year. Green cards that produce blue/white detectives that literally depict a chalk outline, which should be white obviously but they made green...because okay?, red card draw, blue burn (which is original to the game, but widely considered a mistake), blue aggro, red sharks????, multiple inexplicable white druids in New Capenna, and that's not including all the other stupid decisions like half a fucking set being "boosterfun" bullshit, most of it with objectionable, HIDEOUS art.

>>95972665
Matt Cavotta. Are we talking about current ones though?

>>95972682
That's an artist, he never made cards.

>>95972675
>multiple inexplicable white druids in New Capenna
I should mention, the mono-white one is black, as required by law.

mtg as it was intended

i dread the day this will rotate out. any chance we get a reprint?

>>95972691
https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Matt_Cavotta

>>95972703
Rule of Law has existed forever. But yes, we do need something like this and preferably as cheap for all the aggro cancer and greedy bluish decks. Doesn't really help though, does it?

>>95972703
lol no thanks to the specific meme name

>>95972695
Like I said, art direction forced all white cards to be Orzhov kek

>>95972675
My biggest gripe with recent color pie design is still how blue, green and black keep stealing from white and then white gets nothing back. The D&D AFR set finally gave mono white something fresh and exciting with Phasing, and then Nosewater caught a whiff of it and threw a temper tantrum and shrieked “Noooo you can’t have that in white noooooo” and proceeded to give it to mono blue and NEVER allowed white to have standard legal phasing ever again.

>>95972709
https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Design

>>95972731
I'm giving you your standard "Ok" reply.

>>95972550
>even if wotc already give people enough reason to shit on them.
Read fucking shizo, read.

>>95972719
>Doesn't really help though, does it?
brewed some succesful decks running it for arena bo1 but arena has a matchmaking based on decks so who knows. im still pretty confident about my decks running it though. they are: monow, selesnya and azorius

voice of victory + high noon makes me super safe to run at anything. opponents get totally locked

>>95972719
>Rule of Law has existed forever.
zoomzoom

>>95972626
>by saying every strong white card is a break, mistake, or shouldn’t be printed,
He only do that with green, the guy is still mad about hornet sting and hornet queen.

>>95972730
Blue has always been allowed to do everything, breaking the color pie over its fucking knee. Green can't have a 1/1 flyer...because, okay? But blue can have literally anything any other color can have, but cheaper, faster and stronger. This is the original cancer that killed the game from within. And I've explained it before. Psychopathy and wealth tend to be comorbidities. JotC being terrible at math and trying to protect their own class have a strict policy of only doing whatever the richest faggots want. That's why the Reserved List exists, despite everyone hating it. That's why blue has been permitted to get totally out of control, despite everyone but rich retards hating it. That's why aggrocancer is off the charts, despite everyone hating it. Blue-Spike-Psychopath. These are all synonyms. And JotC sacrificed their entire customer base to feed these spoiled investor retards. This is the original source of all the cancer that has metastasized into the stage what are we up to 11 now? And every single retarded decision made in the past 15 years can be traced DIRECTLY to these "players". All the catastrophic decisions made in the past year are the chickens coming home to roost: what you're seeing is JotC flailing like maniacs to try to save the company they let rich "players" set on fire for 30 years. But it's too late at this point I think.

>>95972765
Arena is not a real game. It forces you to lose 50% of matches. Cheating has no place in MTG. Anyone that thinks it does doesn't deserve to be a part of it.

>>95972766
Ok

You keep this up I'm going to run out of potassium.

>>95972814
lol, there's more cheating in paper than there is in any game of Arena

>>95972830
No there isn't and you know this, being an employee. Why do you persist in your dying paradigm, hippie?

>>95972814
im totally against matchmaking for card games, opponents should be random like in rl tables, but arena is the only way i get to play mtg in the middle of nowhere place i live

>>95972836
>defending manaweaving and blatant cheating even at pro tour
We literally had "professional" players blatantly cheating on camera last week. Why are you defending wotc?

>>95972766
I fucking hate storm. You either win because they can't do anything or you sit there for 10 minutes on turn 1-2 because they just drew all the right stuff. If anything, Arcane Lab should've been ONE MANA.

>>95972854
Tourney grinders tend to get really uppity when you call them out on their cheating. Even one twitter post can send them into a flailing crybaby rage. It’s why you never see an honest person make the “pro” tour.

>>95972870
Consign to Memory is right there.

Pioneer enthusiast can someone recommend me a deck? My only desire is not play Aggro, but i'm fine with everything else

The real minigame of these threads is spotting all the players that have never played a 60-card format before and are just LARPing as 60-card players because they're not like all thise other girls.

>>95972802
It IS too late. The last straw for me was letting UB become standard legal. That right there sacrifices any semblance of fantasy immersion for the sake of investor bro shekels. How a company can go from Aether and swords and sorcery to fuckin Sephiroth vs Spider-Man is just baffling and sounds like a SNL skit. I’d rather lose every game with Magicverse cards than win with any Jewniverse Goyond cards.

>>95972031
Hardy har, but I'm not joking. They even made the nobody that used to do Unearthed Arcana interviews leave.

The big rosewater equivalent names like Perkins and Crawford they allowed to "retire early" even though they literally went to work at Daggerheart like two weeks later. Everyone else not DEI they curtly and unceremoniously laid off.

They even cut ties with all their settings' writers except Ed Greenwood, who they literally can't because his contract has them by the balls, sorry those are in a medical waste bin somewhere, shorthairs. And even him, though they by contract have to give him 2 books in his setting a year, they achieved it by splitting one setting splat into a two-book set, and Forgotten Realms is no longer the default setting of 5e anymore, no traces at all in the PHB and the example setting included with the DMG was Greyhawk, which they own in its entirely as part of buying TSR and the author can't object because he died in 2008 and even his litigious eldest son is now pushing up daisies.

Everyone else they laid off. That side of the company is only minorities they hired for Radiant Citadel and Women and "women" they literally hired off twitter (employee's own admission in an interview) for Frostmaiden.

Meanwhile they have 48 positions open just on LinkedIn, and are opening an entirely new studio specifically for videogame publishing, headed by the trans director of the infamous flop Dragon Age Veilguard.
Why would you lay off experienced employees with decades of loyalty and no associated PR kerfuffles at the same time as a mass hiring event? Why would you hire leadership from the former leadership of a failed product? Simple, it's not business sense, it's a politically motivated culling.

>>95972895
Modern Horizons is not a real MTG set.

>>95972890
It's truly baffling how people will try and act like paper has no cheating when almost every big event has someone getting caught. And that's not even counting the people who get away with it. I'm not a huge fan of Arena but at least my opponents aren't drawing extra cards for no reason or "forgetting" their triggers.

>>95972922
where do we, as collective subreddit mindhive, go to though? pokemon tcg? yugioh? or worse... hearthstone? shadowverse?

>>95972931
This Memedern is the same shit as EDH it was the beginning of the end for this fucking game. I despise that shit and all the whales playing it.

>>95972944
go make something useful and design the game YOU want to play
I'm sure doing that at this very moment

Surely, Edge will have a Space Beleren reprint, right?

>>95972962
I would rather have a new StP in the format.

Has anyone explained how the fuck Silvers, an engineered species seen only on a single plane, are in the Blind Eternities?

>>95972968
>how

>>95972944
I’ve settled for Lorcana because it’s simplified Magic and no chance of any kind of UB-like bullshit. It’s either that or start saving money for old singles, booster boxes and premodern cubes. And some D&D campaigns

>>95972974
>Escapes UB by going to UB: The Game
Truly a mastermind

>>95972966
Oy vey goyim remember that’s a tall ask.

>>95972931
Oh right you mentioned Arcane Laboratory so you're a Legacy player that can be running Stifle.

>>95972983
At least I won’t have to see spoodermans and zukos and whatever else kind of kikery is coming next year.

YuGiOh is the good choice. You will never have to deal with shit art or outsider stuff.

>>95972995
>Spider-Man
Anon, I...

>>95972841
Unfortunately, I was like you. Then I started recording stats on the game and realized it's a 1 player game where you fight bots and it cheats to force you to lose 50% of the time. After that I had no desire to "play" as the entire thing is not gameplay. It's literally a simulation OF gameplay. And not a good one. If I know I can only win when the game lets me, what the fuck is the point?

>>95972854
>MANAWEAVING IS CHEATING
What are you, five?

>>95972968
> an engineered species seen only on a single plane,
But that's wrong.

>>95973037
>manaweaving isn't cheating
the absolute state of paperboomers

>>95969466
Xantcha is just a female phyrexian. Phyrexians don't reproduce sexually so unless you call Sheoldred and Elesh Norn as XER/XIR (or whatever) you don't do it to Xantcha.
>>95969675
She is not dead. She is in the horizon. That card depicts something that happened in the story: Giddeon killing a bunch of Eldrazi drones and then planeswalking to Ravnica (During Return to Ravnica)
>>95969704
Just play the gundam cardgame and build the plastic miniature token that comes with the decks.
>>95972968
Slivers as in Rath were a species of creatures that Volrath picked in another plane and modified.
Humanoid Slivers as in Shandalar are a false memory in the collective consciousness.

>>95972890
Isn't it funny how many pro tour players (the cancer that killed the game) also cheat? I have literally never cheated playing MTG. What is the fucking point?

>>95972922
I'm pretty sure that was the final straw for a lot of people. I would even venture to guess a plurality of the remaining players. I was at least still rarely playing Arena. I'm done with that too now.

>>95973006
>assuming Lorcana will become crossover slop like Magic
Hooknose, I….

>>95972928
EVERY member of the MTG design team is now a tranny, except the kikes in charge. Every single one.

>>95972928
To answer your question: glowniggetry. We're reaching the end of jewish supremacy and boomeritis. The ghouls in charge know this and they're trying to establish a demonic legacy to carry on their evil work in this world. Not a joke. Actually the plan.

>>95972936
Imma let you in on a little secret: pro tour has never been real magic. Only kitchen table with house rules is real magic. Always has been and always will be.

>>95973058
I didn't know Aladdin and Mickey Mouse were the same IP.

>>95972936
>but at least my opponents aren't drawing extra cards for no reason or "forgetting" their triggers.
Lol you're out of your mind. Arena cheats like a motherfucker.

>>95973058
>become
The whole premise is crossover slop, anon.

>>95973045
How the fuck do you even build your deck, you cretin? Do you put the cards into the deck in order of mana cost? You realize you have to actually physically assemble the deck at some point, retard. Do you know why manaweaving has a name?

>>95973049
Oh Emrakul isn't just dead, it's erased from existence.

Alright UB haters. Name three different things about your favorite Magic character's personality and I'll accept your way of thinking.

>>95973109
Yawgmoth is beautiful.
Yawgmoth is smarter than you and better at strategy than you.
Yawgmoth did nothing wrong.

>95973109
Imagine falling for this low effort pathetic bait. Fitting a Cummander UBslop enjoyer faggot.

>>95973109
Bolas!
>He's insecure, stemming from his difficult life that began seeing his sister get murdered
>He's in love with Ugin, but doesn't know how to express himself because he doesn't want to show vulnerability, owing to said insecurity
>He often finds himself frustrated by how Ugin saw him through the "little brother" lens, because it only feeds his insecurity when in reality he wants to stand alongside Ugin as a lover and an equal

WotC puts "Two guaranteed Legendaries inside!" on the back of their new player bundle for Final Fantasy.
Above this claim is an image of the Sephiroth and Lightning cards.
New players buy the product expecting to get exactly Sephiroth and Lightning, the aforementioned and pictured guaranteed Legendaries.
New players soon discover that said two "Guaranteed legendaries" are actually just any two from the set,and both are heavily seeded toward the Uncommon legends therein.

Smooth, WotC. Real smooth.

>>95973107
No, that art depicts Giddeon killing all the drones moments before he saw the shadow of Emrakul who was far away and said "Fuck this, I m out".
Emrakul is way bigger than that Hedron, she is far away from where Giddeon is.

>>95973109
>Name three different things about your favorite Magic character's personality and I'll accept your way of thinking.

Belbe
>An exploration of nature vs. nurture, as elven biology resists Phyrexian takeover.
>When the Phyrexians capture the father of the corpse that was converted into Belbe, his reaction to seeing his daughter alive leaves her overwhelmed by confusion. This also comp complicates her relationship with Ertai.
>One of the only savvy political figures in the growing Phyrexia, in an ocean of brutes and psychopaths.

>>95973028
wait are you saying the shuffler works against you to enforce 50% or that you'll be match vs a player that is more likely to win? i can deal with the latter but not the former

and i know how bad 50% wr matchmaking is, it's the same thing that made me quit dota 2 and hearthstone. this was very noticeable in dota where winstreaks would be followed by the most abysmal loss streaks

>>95972944
Pokemon does have waifus.

Wokezards of the Coast is so damn scared of titties they had a Sonic set and refused to give Rouge the Bat a card instead of an umpteenth sol ring, an airplane I didn't even know had a name, and the fucking egg hammer goon.

I just wish Pokemon had more than one instant in the entire game. Or even a Yu-Gi-Oh style backrow with traps.

>>95973336
Pokemon is a SHIT TCG

>>95973336
Japan is the one place Loot cannot travel to and steal their tits.

>>95973346
y?

>>95973336
>sad no rogue the bat
>doesn't know the tornado
zoom zoom adventure tranny

>>95973099
in the same way that mtg has always been a crossover between planes, sure.

that's not the same as UB and we both know it.

>>95973346
nah. it's just more chess-like, where most of the information isn't hidden and you're planning trading pieces turns in advance to slowly build board advantage.

>>95972944
Hearthstone suffers from the same power and complexity creep that Magic does. It's also woefully expensive to play. Shadowverse was fun in 2016 before they released Wonderland Dreams, everything went south after that and Shadowverse 2 is apparently horrible to play if you don't throw your wallet at it. I have no intention of even trying it.

I've spoken to people who used to play Magic and they've moved to F&B, describing it as "fixed Magic". I also happen to know the guy who created it and he taught me to play Magic and the WoW TCG back in the day; he played Magic since the 90's and was active in playing Vintage as recently as 2018.

>>95973336
of course, you can always make your own UB reskin proxies to rectify the matter

>>95973383

>>95973405
>F&B
>The game with a rotation system so retarded it prioritizes "rotating" their version of FoW before the 5 cards balanced around being stopped by FoW because FoW was showing up in more decks

>>95973198
>One of the only savvy political figures in the growing Phyrexia, in an ocean of brutes and psychopaths
I believe you mean Rath, not Phyrexia.

>>95973213
Yes. It will do everything it can to force you to lose at minimum 50% of games. It will rig your draws, it will generate cards it needs in hand, screw, flood, you name it. If it gets desperate enough it will rarely even make illegal plays.

>>95973431
you are treading on schizo territory brother

>>95973453
Yeah that's what I said. I tested it and I'm presenting the objective truth.

>>95973516
i'll uninstall this piece of crap that weights decks instantly if you're able to show it rigs with the shuffler but ive seen other statistics with more samples that seem to show the shuffler is not rigging anyone. to claim it will even make illegal plays is highly doubtful since code is law

as for bots ive never seen any and i doubt wotc would be competent enough to code them. and trust me i know how to detect bots since hearthstone is full of them

now i do know from experience that you only face specific decks depending on what you're playing. whenever i try to play my hexproof reanimator JANK (!!! not evel an optimal reanimator running top tier cards) i'll be faced vs a sacrifice deck that is exactly the only weakeness of my deck

>>95973549
Oh I'm afraid to have to inform you that my little test is nothing. Many jewtubers have already tested this with THOUSANDS of games and found the same thing. Just do a jewtube search. There's more than one video on how Arena's algorithm cheats like a motherfucker.

>>95973565
>there's so much proof
>has literally never posted any
Go back to your containment thread.

>>95973453
>>95973549
not actually being true random starting hands has been recorded, and criticized as a community, and eventually admitted to and given an official name by the devs. "Hand smoothing." They insist it's "a good thing™"

https://mtgazone.com/mtg-arenas-opening-hand-algorithm-and-smoothing/
https://mtgazone.com/finding-the-ideal-land-count-for-bo1/

Go ask the arena thread if you don't believe us. They'll all know it's there.

the people still playing arena are the ones that don't care or were never deep enough in the weeds to find out.

>>95973588
What a butthurt little bitch. This is why nobody buys your shit anymore. Why on Earth would you choose to continue to lie about something that everyone already knows about? Not at all a fucking good look.

>>95973620
What does hand smoothing have to do with "force you to lose at minimum 50% of games. It will rig your draws, it will generate cards it needs in hand, screw, flood, you name it. If it gets desperate enough it will rarely even make illegal plays."
>>95973624
>Not a good look
Take the cock out of your mouth and post the proof you raging homo.

>>95973588
>wants to be spoon-fed everything
ok zoom zoom

>>95973620
yes this is well known but it's not the same as other grave claims

>>95973661
>>95973661
>>95973661
move when ready

>>95973638
I'm absolutely shocked that you have a weird tranny fantasy saved.

>>95973638
>that pic
triumphantly based LMAO

>>95973633
did you actually read anon's experiment?
>>95973516

It'a about getting unwinnable hands due to fucked mana.

It does its best to guarantee an equal number of land and spells.
NOT lands that can pay the right colors for spells in your hand.
NOT spells cheap enough to play with those number of lands
NOT a statistically appropriate number of lands based on how you've weighted your deck, if you need a lot of lands or a lot of gas.

When it draws two hands and automatically picks one, it will regularly chuck the one a human player would have wanted, in favor of one that technically better fits the rules it's supposed to be optimizing for.
Between a hand that's
>two red five drops, a green seven drop game ender, a combat trick, and three blue taplands.
and
>Aether Vial, Three Visits, Captain Lannery, a forest and 2 mountains, and Inventor's Fair
it will pick the former because it's more "balanced."

The only way to avoid the problem is to have a monocolor deck with a low curve that wants a balanced number of lands to spells in its opening hand.

>>95973171
Ironically I did get Sephiroth in my Bundle