Terrain, turrets, and trundling tanks edition
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>Thread Question:Are you feeling better about terrain and vehicle rules?
I'm torn on what colors to make the cables (red in picrel) on my cobbled together venator.
Should I make them glow? If so, what color?
My Kratos already has glowing Volkite and imo glowing bits work best in extreme moderation.
Should I just have the cables be an assortment of normal colors? Maybe like the cables on the saturnine dread guns?
>>95968861 (OP)TQ
>Be me>Run all infantry melee army>Rules constantly shit on Melee armies>Somehow even vehicle transports look like they're nerfedNo, not feeling good about this edition. It all feels like change for changes sake and no real balancing. The only balancing honestly feels accidental.
>>95968882Hazard stripes, of course. With a few basic black/red cables to give them some contrast.
>>95968861 (OP)>95968668 #Thanks m8. And thanks to Leaker Anon again.
Still gotta meditate on the Vehicle rules.
1. Rip Ramming routing tests
2. Vehicle damage charts works the opposite it has always worked (only glance cause debuffs)
3. Vehicles may never do dangerous terrain tests, because they cannot enter terrain at all
4. Sponson guns now always count as Defensive. Meaning they can React even if they are lascannons (yay), but cannot cover for your Main Gun anymore (rip). Wait, I guess that isn't rolled for anymore is it
5. If you split fire, your main gun sucks. So, don't ever do it โ not really worth it. Just don't shoot with the out-of-sight gun.
>>95968882Cables are a good chance for contrasting colours. Pull up the colour wheel and go with what's opposite of the main colour/s of your tonk.
>>95968882Glowing wires would be a pretty bad sign.
Can't go wrong with a yellow stripped cables next to some red or black cabling. Most wiring has several colors to communicate their purpose
>>95968916Despite the name, defensive weapons don't impact reactions at all, both return fire and overwatch make no mention of it and nothing the vehicle rules says you can't react with battle weapons either. The only rule that Interacts with defensive weapons is vehicle split firing.
As for snapfiring the main gun, that doesn't seem too bad anymore for marines at least, since you still hit on a 5+ and blast weapons scatter on only 1d6 if they miss now IIRC. Speaking of which, leaker anon, might we see movement rules and scatter rules?
>>95968861 (OP)No, new edition honestly is really disappointing me. I am sure it's will be a perfectly fine game, in the same sense that modern 40k is a perfectly fine game.
But it's just not what I got into 30k for.
It's clearly just 3 year churn cycle now, and lots of things in this ed are becoming much more gamified and abstract, and less like an actual bunch of your dudes fighting it out on a battlefield.
Maybe I'm just old, but it's actually disheartening.
do you go in looking for extra special stls expecting most stuff to have been uploaded by someone? made my first pass over for a handful of my special legion shit but still coming up blank on stuff like sevatar
>>95968910>>95968920>>95968917Thanks for the feedback fellas, I think I'll base it off the cables on the saturnine after all.
>>95968910damn that's crisp
>>95968970Yeah individual cables are always good way to add some color and maybe show off effort.
>>95968962I'm going to be honest anonymous sevatar isn't that special he's got maybe a slightly fancier helmet and a big rock. You can almost certainly digibash something as cool or better. The bigger problem is that night lords stls all look retarded, the same problem as every other legion who doesn't have a dedicated autist who actually bothers printing their shit like the raven guard or death guard guys.
>>95968890>You WILL field lascannon hss you WILL buy the new dreadnought you WILL field the all lascannon land raider
>>95968890Are land raiders and spartans unstoppable beasts that cant be killed before they unload their cargo or are melee deathstars absolutely worthless?
Can you doomers pick a fucking lane?
>>95969021>all lascannon land raiderCome on, James, everything needed is already in the kit. Just give it rules.
>>95969003i just meant official gw by special, prob not wrong in that it would be good practice to try and throw my own together(or simpler to find a preexisting one)
the latter point is annoying as fuck though the range of ways people will interpret night lords aesthetics makes it such a nightmare to find and sort out anything, i see the damsa name floating around a lot but i think i got to the party too late for any of his shit to still be online
>>95968861 (OP)The disintegration cannon looks the best on that dreadnought but it seems like the worst option. If it misses it overheats and if it overheats it seems a pretty good chance of blasting a chunk out of the dreadnought. With 2 shots it can really go wrong (which it will, eventually, and probably quickly).
That grav gun will probably end up being the best with the forced pinning
>>95968890Their ramming may be nerfed, but that's about it: Land Raiders will be nigh impossible to stop before they deliver their cargo.
Rhinos just went from disposable mobile bunkers to actual transports, even if the price is disordered charges.
Rest in fucking pieces Reserve actions though. They shall be missed. Except drop pods; nobody ever took them
>>95969110>>Land Raiders will be nigh impossible to stop before they deliver their cargo>Good luck I'm behind 1 crater
>>95969117>Cataphractii are fine with not counting their initiative for Set up moves>It is worth it for that +1 Cool
Does any kinda Anon have the audiobook for Know No Fear that they're willing to share?
LEAKER ANON
I HAVE BROUGHT YOU THE DEAD IRON WARRIOR YOU DEMANDED
NOW GIVE UNTO ME THE MOVEMENT RULES THAT I DESIRE
>>95969037Both can be true depending on the lethality of melee and shooting in the edition.
>>95969206afaik its free in the internets, i've seen torrents of it as well.
findaudiobook.app/warhammer-40k-know-no-fear-audiobook/
>>95968882>>95968920>>95968970For those tiny cables that GW likes to sculpt, I really like to just paint with with a nice metallic copper and a simple brown wash. I'm looking at one of the nipple guns of the Imperial Knight that has this.
For larger big tubes like this, hazard stripes are always loved, alternating with red. Be careful not to pick a colour that stands out too much and distracts from the paint job.
>>95969300Oh thanks. I had found that one, but I thought it was a newer 40k novel with the same name because of the cover image.
>>95969222Is that a Warjack? I've always felt like Cryx models would be amazing for Darkmech conversions
>>95969222Wtf decimate urself
>>95969222Everyone knows dead Imperial Fists make the best foundations.
>>95969549Nah, looks like an AT/LI scale knight Acastus Porphyrion
With the new FOC, how many librarians can I take (assuming the point values stay the same) in a 2500 point list
>>95969965Actually a lot, especially if you can still do a psyker praetor
>>95969965You can have 4 in your Primary Detachment (plus Praetor), 2 in the Officer Cadre, 2 more as Benefits, and then 3 per Allied Detachment (2 + 1 Benefit) as many times as you wish (they just have to be from different Factions).
>>95970042Do allied detachments all need to be different factions to each other, or just different to the primary detachment?
>>95970097I don't remember the wording, but I hazard a guess that each being from a different faction would be the thing. What would even be the point otherwise? It'd make Allies far less restricted than the main Detachment.
>>95968882Glossy black cables would look nice
>>95970097The only limits seems to be "different faction from Primary" and "as long as you donโt spend more than 50% of your points on allied units over all."
>>95970042Hmm..exploding pyromancer psyker list here we come!
apparently the new pods are outsourced to china since it's "terrain" so the details are way less sharp than mainline production
https://taleofpainters.com/2025/06/review-space-marines-drop-pods-2025-version/
>>95970311The plastic looks darker with those giant gates so does seem like the terrain sprues
>>95967022Agreed holy shit. TLOS has been a cancerous boil on the hobby's arse for almost two decades and it's finally fucking dead. No more hunching over the table like a fucking geriatric. No more arguing with That Guy that actually no, it isn't "modelling for advantage" to base your commander without GW's latest ridiculous fucking 2" tall tactical rock microdiorama on there. No more almost getting blinded because the tourneyshitters decided the only way they could stop arguing amongst themselves to the point the game became unplayable was to start blasting laser pointers around the gaming club like a fucking rave. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
>>95970340I just wish they would have brought back proximity based wound allocation.
Hate the WAACfags so much for making changes like this necessary.
>>95970311>ChyinaCuck Workshop
>>95969965Librarians? They are banned because of the edict of Nikaea, I will field many wolf priests however who use the pure and untainted power of Fenris. For the allfather and Russ!
>>95970311So, the "optional" part of the rubble is just the stuff on the doors and there's still gonna be some around the base of the pod?
Put together some more Legiones Auxilia.
>>95970311>One of the doors had to be cut in half because they didn't put the drop pod in the centre of the sprue.This vexes me.
>>95970311Holy fucking shit that is horrible.
>>95969222Oh that's a nice tech priest conversion. I was wondering what it was for a few moments.
I'm not well versed in Horus Heresy and 40K lore, is there anything about the 40K AdMech, style-wise or lore-wise that wouldn't fly during the Heresy? I'm thinking about using some of the new Servitors and that Technoarcheologist and the Servitor Underseer.
Any weapons that are off-limits?
>>95970611The core Ad-Mech range (Tech Priests, Skitarii, Sicarian, Dune Crawlers, ect) should all fit with the 30k Mechanicum, because they are mentioned in multiple books and sources and were used in the Great Crusade.
The weirder looking Ad-mech stuff like the Electro-Priests, Serberys and Archaeopter don't really fit as 30k Mechanicum is more body horror than silly designs.
Unfortunately most of the 40k stuff doesn't have rules in 30k (although that might be changing soon), so the only 40k models you can use that have rules are the Techpriests.
>>95970611These are fine, you might need to add a power axe to the magos however since that's their loadout
>>95970311>Also, because of the smaller footprint, tournament players might need to make a switch to the new version to stay legal.Pay up piggies.
>>95970611>I'm thinking about using some of the new Servitors and that Technoarcheologist and the Servitor Underseer.They should all be good to use. The Servitors could be used as Scyllax.
>>95970665I thought those guys would fit better as servo automata.
Scyllax feels too defined visually for them to proxy like that.
>>95968890>Overspecialize>Get punished when the rules don't accidentally favor you.
>>95970665>>95970723Yeah use them as servo automata, using them as scyllax is retarded
>>95970769Unless you're playing a hyper-competitive game it's usually still possible to win with what the internet likes to call sub-optimal lists. Provided you understand the game good enough. I've played infantry heavy lists in all of HH 1.0, and fuck me was it tough, but I stuck with it and learned what to do to still have a decent win rate.
>>95970311calling it now, GW is moving production of tanks and other things people would print on FDM to china.
Good source for dead marines for bases?
Had some more time to work on this guy. As per recommendation I filed down the trim, especially on the pauldrons.
In light of the comment last time I also put the model between some other consuls, both old and new, to see if there were any actual size issues, but I'm not seeing anything particularly egregious.
>>95969549>>95969918Partially you're both right: it's a Ligma Porphyphion, but a portion of the right arm is taken from the Kodiak and the left arm is from a Man o War.
>>95968916>Rip Ramming routing testsWhat angers me the most is that every vehicle does the same d6 S6 hits. Tank shock could totally force a cool test, and the hits be Str (front AV/2), +1S if the vehicle has a dozer blade, with the usual caveats +1S if it has more HP than the other vehicle, +1S if it's a building or superheavy
>>95969102Yeah I wish Overload (2) was it being triggered on a 2-, not it doing 2 hits when it gets triggered
>>95971245Modern games workshop doesn't test its users to be able to divide AV13 by 2. All rules are designed around being simple enough for 8 year olds or the british.
>>95968947It's part of the main Reactions rules, under "Using Reactions"
>models with the Vehicle Type may only attack with Defensive WeaponsHowever now that sponsons are always defensive weapons regardless of strength this is far less limiting than it was previously.
>>95971261this would carry more weight if it wasn't coming from the thread that still thinks stats and probability are the same thing
>>95971272it's such a strange bias in HH rules. Running lascannons sprinting full speed get to react with 100% of the unit pretended-to-be-stationary, but tanks are artificially gimped from using their main gun, the main gun which is the primary thing that would be 3-axis stabilized on a tank to be able to fire while driving around - and which weighs a tiny fraction of the tank's weight unlike the lascannon being held by a marine.
Finished Era of Ruin. Unsurprisingly Wraight's story was the best one. Most of the others were okay but not something I expect I'll think back on much.
>MEGAs are down for the time being, going to wait for things to cooldown with the new edition and leaks before bringing them back up
Good. And we will continue to report it if it bring back useless OP bloat.
>>95968916>enter terrain at allWhich include hills, better have a flat mat
>>95971272>I have a sponson-mounted defense laser destroyer>Just like the first-founding fathers wanted
>>95971294It's a very steep hill bro
>>95971297Dreadnoughts trying to charge my spartan are not going to have a good time
>>95971294Nah.
"if the battlefield incorporates distinct plateaus of raised Open Terrain that sit above the main area of the battlefield then it is left to the players to agree and designate if these form a separate level"
RAW outright says players simply choose if hills are open terrain or not open terrain.
>>95969110>Except drop pods; nobody ever took themI took one because my HQ could have one as a dedicated transport. Interceptor is snap shots against non flyers now, hopefully augery doesnt fix that and more pods might be good.
>>95969110I've been using veteran squads in drop pods
>>95971326>"I designate these as hills"
>>95971364"I designate you as only getting to play with yourself"
>>95971284This is exactly the kind of flawed abstraction I hate in 3.0. Immediately house rulling that reactions never count as stationary unless the model is relentless. Reactions should be quick actions, not max benefit actions.
>>95971322Anon pls post AL army shot
>>95971019Why are they on 40mm?
>>95971284It's ultimately an infantry game with skirmish roots.
>>95969102If you snipe out a flamer weapon man there should be a 1 out of 6 chance of hitting the fuel tank and cause a small template explosion on the squad, and if you hit another flame weapon man with it, it should explode too.
>>95971289Chris Wraight is such a solid writer, he is my BL top guy
>>95971424that would work if flamers had an actual fuel tank, but space marine flamers dont have a tank, they have enough fuel for like 1 second of shooting. So all handheld flamers for space marines should be One-Shot Expendable weapons that can never be fired in further turns.
>>95971284Good, the heresy should be infantry focused with a sea of marines
>>95971408'cuz having a bigger base is more aesthetically pleasing when the model has a bunch of crap hanging off of it or carries something awkward like a boarding shield.
>>95971443good way to have warhammer30k cancelled by GW. Looking at space marines, 23 non-infantry boxes they want people to buy and 9 infantry boxes. When GW chooses to make tanks not worth purchasing, they are choosing to cancel warhammer30k. Stores will no longer stock it and only a dozen retarded grogs will continue playing it by themselves.
>>95971440Ok for fuel tank flamers only, like the imperial guard ehm I mean imperial milita ones and solar aux
>>95971498>good way to have warhammer30k cancelled by GWThey already cancelled themselves by going woke with femstodes and lapping it up to Blackrock.
>>95971406Still haven't gotten round to doing an updated full army shot, awful lot of life been happening :(
>>95971525I will wait until one day, I am here forever
>>95969062>everything needed is already in the kitDon't they only come with two lascannons per sponson or is it the exact same sprue as the spartan? I don't remember having leftover pieces when I built mine.
>>95971290>He's actually doing it for freeHoly shit I believed it was just a meme.
>>95970311actually fucking pathetic
>>95971284Really there's no issue with vehicles reacting with every fun available, is there? They are already limited by firing arcs after all.
If you don't want to get hit by four Lascannons, charge that Land Raider from the side instead of the front?
But if you charge a Vindicator from the front, you gonna get Demolished
>>95970611Before the Heresy, there was only the Mechanicum. The Fabricator-General of Mars sided with Horus and Loyalist elements fled to Terra, becoming the Adeptus Mechanicus proper. Outside of Sol, most forgeworlds still identify as Mechanicum.
>>95971284>Running lascannons sprinting full speed getI'm tired of this meme. And the reason is that HSS lascannons aren't even in the same class as the kind of main weapons some tanks can carry. Imagine if you could react with superheavy turret guns.
>>95971332>Interceptor is snap shots against non flyers nowNooo. Interceptor wasn't really that bad. What was bad was Augury scanners being unlimited. But it'd be nice that it was specified interceptor hits the drop pod and not the disembarking unit
>>95971856When the loyalist Mechanicum lobbied to be formally recognized as an Adeptus (by walking their titans to the palace), this meant renouncing to a part of the independence (granted by the Treaty of Olympus), so long as the Imperium would agree to: 1) Recognize the new Martian government-in-exile as the official one, and 2) fund a crusade to retake Mars after the heresy.
But by becoming an Adeptus, if Kane wanted to rule the other forgeworlds, they had to become Adeptus Mechanicus. Or else they would be Mechanicum still, and that makes them Hal's. Which would mark them as enemies of the Imperium, and get The Lion unleashed on them.
So all loyalist Mechanicum became Adeptus Mechanicus, and all who remained Mechanicum are now referred to as Dark Mechanicum.
>>95971856>Loyalist elements fled to Terra, becoming the Adeptus MechanicusAnd they made the Collegia Titanica a separate entity after that Imperator marched on the palace, right?
>>95971872>Imagine if you could react with superheavy turret guns.You should be able to react with superheavy turret guns. But it would follow the regular caveat that superheavies can only react to other, fellow superheavies.
Should a Glaive react to a Titan? Fuck yeah it should.
>>95971848Given they're nerfing deep strike and dropping the game to 4 turns, I'm not sure how many chances you'll get to maneuver that far.
>You want me to impose the Imperium on innumerable worlds across the galaxy? Sure thing, space dad!
>But I have one condition.
>My homeworld must be off limits from the Imperium.
>Sure, it's an irradiated hellscape where nobody has enough to eat or drink and there's a constant threat of dying to monsters and mutants.
>But as bad as that is, it's still better than being an ordinary citizen of the Imperium.
>Anyway, let's get going. Time to conquer some planets!
>>95971877Interceptor, even one, on a HSS deletes arriving infantry. Its too hard of a counter. Yes I know DS was to strong but that shoudnt mean TWO extremes exist. Now3.0 you cant charge out of DS then interceptor should not delete arriving units. Im sure pods wont allow charges specifically too.
>>95971986I suppose that gives a unique value to faster elements like Bikes and Assault marines.
Got my Rapiers today, did they always have bases?
>>95972013I always thought it was folly for infantry to arrive naked and unprotected before the enemy castle. It was like asking for death, and they'd get what they were asking for.
All the outflanks I did were aboard Rhinos and Land Raiders. 20 IF BS5 Autocannons HSS killed my LR on arrival.
And that was fine. It was more than 500 pts of S-class HSS against less than half their points of average Land Raider. They SHOULD kill it. Imagine how useless they'd be if they didn't.
That said, I am against unlimited free intercepts. At least Snapshots got better, so there's that. But it'd be nice to spend a Reaction Point to do a full BS intercept
>>95972032Nope, that's new. What size? I'm gonna have to order bases for my rapiers.
Question about transfers that I'm struggling to find in the libers and black books
Is there some kind of difference between icons that are filled or not filled out, or is it just an aesthetic thing mostly that doesn't have lore implications?
Also is it more common to have coherent iconography across a squad (all marines have their icon on their shoulder or the same colour etc.) or would it be more "realistic" for there to be a mix of iconography that still technically communicates the same information (some marines have their role icon on their shoulder while some have it on their kneepad, some have it in a white colour while some have it black etc.)
>>95972118I'm 99.9% sure its just aesthetics.
>Also is it more common to have coherent iconography across a squad (all marines have their icon on their shoulder or the same colour etc.) or would it be more "realistic" for there to be a mix of iconography that still technically communicates the same information (some marines have their role icon on their shoulder while some have it on their kneepad, some have it in a white colour while some have it black etc.)I don't know about a fluff-based answer but I think if you're going to the trouble of adding squad markings to your models, they should be relatively consistent;y placed, no?
>>95972118Is the squad standard? Same iconography
Is the squad ad hoc? Differing iconography
>>95972051Its not an enemy castle, its a snap shot of a battlefield. Its fast paced desperate warfare in the wilderness or ruins of a city. Teleport strikes are dangerous because of how sudden and effective they are.
>They SHOULD kill it. Imagine how useless they'd be if they didn'tOn their turn, sure, but on the owners turn? That shit sucks. If this is an IGOUGO format, it should be give and take. Reactions were overtuned in 2.0. Its a prime example of disparate impact; a seemingly equal item that does not equally affect all. Spamming HSS with augeries and MoS made it so armies had to march to get to you and get shot to ribbons. Agian, DS in 2.0 was too much, but if it is now once per turn, no charges, then that unit should NOT get delete the turn they arrive otherwise why have DS in the game at all?
>>95972134>I'm 99.9% sure its just aesthetics.Good to know
>I don't know about a fluff-based answer but I think if you're going to the trouble of adding squad markings to your models, they should be relatively consistent;y placed, no?I would assume so, but since I'm doing sallies I also have to consider promethean cult flame murals, icons and runes so just wanted to double check first
>>95972135Good rule of thumb, will keep in mind then
>>95971571So the front and back portions of the tank are the same as the spartan, the mid hull and gun sponsons are a different sprue. You get options to build it either as the explorator (no front hatch no hull weapons), or with the front gun turret (either heavy bolters flamers or lascannons) with the option of having it a solid hull or the assault ramp. The sponson sprue you get only allows two twin lascannon sponsons
I personally think its neat how they designed the sprues/builds for the land raider/spartan/typhon etc to share some components. The new horus heresy plastic tanks including the kratos have been an absolute joy for me to build compared to the old plastic land raider kit which happened to be my first 40k tank.
>>95972032I wonder what they will look like on the base, seems like a disadvantage for zone mortalis
>>95972020Sure, but assault marines won't have any guns good enough to make armour facing count, and melee's always back-face.
Bikes might, but it's still a very niche response.
>>95972402>the excellent painting>the undrilled barrelsTruly, no man can be good at both
>>95972402a kind reminder to DRILL YOUR BARRELS
The second squad of kakaphoni done
not my best but im just glad they're done, been sitting in my to-do pile for over a year now
Can move onto to painting something I actually want to paint
>>95972032Oh btw any idea how easy it will be to magnetise the weapons?
>>95972424>>95972429I'LL DRILL A HOLE IN YOUR HEADS BEFORE YOU MAKE ME RUIN MY 3d printed BARRELSA
>>95972020It won't. If they take tank squads and you take bike squads which need to shoot the tanks in the rear to have value, there's zero surprise as lists are public info and no way bikes can ever be a surprise. The tanker player would just put an infantry screen preventing the bikes from a non-zero chance of getting in the rear of the tanks within a tiny 4 turn game.
4 turn games blow massive monkey dick.
>>95972266The tanks, dreadnoughts, and automata have been stellar kits except for castellax.
>>95972615Guns look easy enough, but the ammo crate could be finicky.
>>95972759What I would do is attach a semi-base beneath thats hidden between the tracks to seal the tracks together so you just drop in the gun+gun shield
>>95972000Obviously it's because Sanguinius homeworld is a chaos god shrineworld which is what gives him the physics-defying ability for his wings and future-sight and blood magic.
Hardly surprising when Caliban is a chaos god shrineworld for the dark angels (the chaos entity of Ouroboros is at the heart of a world covered in greater daemons and Kairos Fateweaver and daemon animals)
Fenris is a chaos god shrineworld for the space wolves special chaos magic that has nothing to do with the Emperor.
Vulkan, "supposedly" a perpetual, actually just a pawn of a chaos god on his shrineworld and actually seen in the warp by Magnus as a large chaos dragon creature of fire and not a human, eventually stops getting resurrected and his corpse had to be carried to the chaos shrineworld Nocturne and his #1 champion must perform a chaos ritual sacrificing himself in the volcano at the heart of the chaos shrine to resurrect Vulkan, implying if that chaos shrineworld did not exist, that Vulkan would never have ever come back to life and just been a regular old corpse on Terra.
Morty's planet was obviously a nurgle shrineworld of the undead/diseases and Nuceria a khorne shrineworld (which khorne gave the Anger-Nails instead of magic)
Once you realize that Lion who had already met the chaos gods related to Caliban and grew up alongside Kairos Fateweaver and other greater daemons chose not to go to earth but instead to go destroy each chaos shrineworld billions of miles from the fight, it only makes sense if he'd learned from his own chaos shrineworld that they are crucial to the special abilities of mortarion/angron and the other primarchs.
In 10k years post-heresy the Fallen dedicated a new chaos shrineworld for Lion which is why he can now move through the chaos warp like tuchulcha (telling people it's "forestwalking" not chaos teleportation like the athame chaos daggers) Each shrine gives unique powers so his new powers dont match his old ones.
>>95972867You put more thought into it than BL did anon.
>>95971571>>95972266Proteus and Spartan use the same sponsons sprue. It comes with 4 pairs of lascannons and two sets of mounts, shorter (for one pair) and longer (for two pairs) to suit both tanks.
>>95971877Snap Shots have changed tho, so it's better if you're BS5+
this is the age of the Armistos
>>95971877>But it'd be nice that it was specified interceptor hits the drop pod and not the disembarking unitDeepstrike rule makes a specific distinction between the unit deepstriking and a unit embarked on a deepstriking unit, which is not itself deepstriking. You can't intercept the unit disembarking
>>95972013>Interceptor, even one, on a HSS deletes arriving infantry.10 shots
6 hits
5 wounds
Even ignoring armor, you are not killing 10 guys with 10 shots
>>95973147>You can't intercept the unit disembarkingYou can from a normal pod that immediately is forced to disembark. Anvillus pods you can't shoot the contents though as they disembark normally.
>>95973147>10 shotsNo one said Lascannons, volkite culverin exist and are popular
I've fucked up I used TS-60 to basecoat my kratos but it's this weird metallic. should I bail and go with alpha legion or should I start dry brushing AK emerald over it for SOH?
>>95973205too green for Alpha legion in my opinion
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Would it make sense for a traitor militia army to have the eagle on their guns, or was it a loyalist-only symbol? (pic not mine)
>>95973252Stolen weapons or old stock, could always cut them off
>>95973252Nothing stops traitors from looting good (or functioning) weapons off dead loyalists.
>>95973252the common thing if you dont remove the aquila is to deface it, just chop it in two with a hobby knife and instant traitor.
>New plastic rapiers come in sets of two
>Still have two metal thunderfire cannons that can't be used in 40k anymore
>My HH DA don't have any artillery as of yet
>>95973205>smoke launchers that launch canisters a few inches before they bounce off the hull>>95973252Depends on if you're doing "FUCK THE EMPEROR" traitors or "wait WE'RE the traitors?!?" traitors,
It looks like a good SoH Green. Try AK Ultra Matte Varnish. It will take the shine right off.
Is there any reason to NOT make a 20-man Despoiler squad as opposed to 10?
>>95973324Having a weak aura.
>>95968950My thoughts exactly
>>95973324So they can fit into a Land Raider
>>95973147Yes, but some anons say one thing
>>95968950Yup, the people who are optimistic are mostly the gullible newbies that haven't experienced 20 years of every single year GW makes their games worse by bloating things and dumbing down things and randomly shuffling shit for no reason whatsoever just so they can sell the churn.
GW's rules system is the worst on the planet. 3 years is too long to wait to unfuck things that are broken and they use it to justify releasing shitty paper books, but 3 years is too short so they put exactly zero effort into ever making anything good (why would they put the effort into building something when they're gonna delete the codex they made 3 months after they release it?)
Lose-lose system.
>>95968861 (OP)>Are you feeling better about terrain and vehicle rulesI pay very little attention to rules, I just like playing with my army men.
We have yet to see the Libers.
But so far with what you've seen of the rules, could you name something you're eager to try?
Could you also name something you think changed for the worse? If so, why is it? What's the way to "do it right" in your head?
>>95968861 (OP)>Are you feeling better about terrain and vehicle rulesI pay very little attention to rules, I just like playing with my army men.
>vehicle rules?
No.
I never like the pen/glancing system in the first place, it make no sense that doing one better on a dice roll made such a big differance to how effective that attack was. I don't like how vehicles have statuses now and I don't like how you just get one from a glancing hit, I don't like how they make the tank useless dispite them being minor hits. But I'm biased and don't think tanks make much sense in warhammer
>>95973594I think all the major armies (barring fagstodes) getting Libers on release is actually a good sign and a hint they might not be doing as bad a churn as some Anons think.
That said, a spamming a bunch of detachments that are just centurion + fluffy choice seems kino to me.
>>95973594not sure if this was meant for a specific anon, but fuck it, I'll answer:
>could you name something you're eager to try?Honestly, not really. I like some of the ideas (attacks modifier is a stat I've always been down with, but they don't appear to be using it...?) and a few of the units teased seem interesting (different veteran squads, this new command squad, etc).
>Could you also name something you think changed for the worse?Not a fan of how convoluted and yet somehow limiting new force org is, not a fan of deep strike being killed, the shift to make characters even stronger pushes towards herohammer, and the expanded challenge rules seem like they'd be a fun minigame, but they're gonna be way too bloated. Plus, this edition feels like it's going to be even more weighted on shooting.
Also, bit of a pet peeve, but they're renaming absolutely everything, and they don't need to. Running doesn't need to be rushing. Attacks don't need to be Firepower. It's just change for the sake of change, to sell new books.
>>95973252the way I've always seen it, during the heresy, the traitors see themselves as the rightful rulers of the imperium, rather than the imperium's enemy, and would use aquilas, as symbols of the imperium they seek to rule. to Horus, it's just a coup, not a campaign to destroy the imperium.
>>95973594I'm looking forward to assault veterans
About fucking time they made them a generic unit
>something you think changed for the worse?Statuses are not great if they happen at the end of the turn. You can't pin a unit to prevent them from overwatching or returning fire anymore and that sucks
The change to the charge phase also seems kinda pointless in the way you move and fitting a whole other snapshot shooting phase with return fire in there seem really unnecessary. Unless there's some units specialized in doing that better or something like that
>>95973594Whilst the new edition still has the 3rd edition rules system at its core, there have been so many rules taken from all the different editions on top of new changes that it basically is a completely new edition. But there are enough little details which have improved, like no more TLOS for the first time since 4th edition and blasts only hitting one level in a ruin, that I'll definitely give it a good few tries to see how the game plays.
Biggest negative is plasma weapons not being AP 2, that's just wrong.
>already making a tacticool AL centurion
>want to make an RG centurion (or consul) but no clue which direction to take
I like the traitor XVIaboo aesthetic but that feels a little too specific. An RG in heavy armor like mk3 or cata is an interesting subversion but not interesting enough. An armistos with a lascannon and cameleoline?
>>95973594I really like the FOC change. I can't really know for sure until I see what roles units are but I always thought there were too many restrictions on the old one. Rapiers, veterans, apothecaries, techmarines, dreadnoughts, terminators and destroyers don't sound like they should be fighting over the same slot, even with 4 of them I'm always low on those. Termies and dreadnoughts could be in the same type but everything else has a completely different role and was just thrown in there for no reason.
Vehicles squadrons being gone is also great because that was fucking retarded. I think that's going to go a long way in making medium vehicles more viable
Set up tonight for a 40,000 point game of HH 2.0 tomorrow.
6v6 on a 24 foot long board :)
>>95973781the other end
Printed and painted / scratch built everything not GW here :)
>>95973781Be sure to post a pic with all armies deployed, that's gotta be looking epic
>>95973369>>95973441Why not run them in a Spartan?
>>95973794>Putting a 200 point unit in a transport over twice the point costLol. Lmao, even.
>>95973791will do! its gonna be fucking dope, all fully painted too
we have
Loyalists
Imperial militia with RG allies
Blood Angels
Space wolves
Imperial Fists
Ultramarines
Dark Angels
Vs
Death guard & knights
Sons of Horus
Daemons
Word Bearers
World Eaters
Iron Warriors
So close to SoT vibes but with some ultras and a russ who wasnt there ;)
>>95973781Imagine organizing a mega battle on a huge board and just treating it like an extended tournament game with randomly scattered terrain, instead of constructing something resembling an actual location and having two armies clash across it. Make actual city blocks with courtyards and streets. An industrial zone where stuff is places like it made sense. Split the table diagonally, so there's more depth to the deployment while also keeping the contested area rather wide to avoid bottlenecks. Nothing looks sadder than two rows of units, 24" apart from one table edge to the other.
>>95973594>you're eager to try?Oddly, flyers. Really hoping they can be interesting this edition. I'm glad reactions got worse.
>changed for the worse?Being able to kill thigns out of LoS/Range if part of the unit was in LS/Range; it was fine already. 40kification where you need only see part of a model and you can potential kill the whole squad is awful abstraction that is overly punishing. We saw LoS rules and you need only see the model. This is too gamey.
Also I hope one unit may only trigger one reaction and "free" reactions are gone wholesale.
Generally I do no like it deviating form the 7e ruleset it was based on. My dream 30k format is 7.9 edition. It only needed reaction limits and nerfs, go back to 1st ed deepstrike but allow charges, and ways to add slots to the FOC for some factions or have FOC scaling.
>>95968950Big same. I want to play older versions of warhammer in a historical expansion. Not a proprietary game with nods to old systems.
>>95973835yeah we have a lose theme of a few sectors and a narrative mission.
Its meant to resemble loosely a space port blending through a industrial zone into a city.
Show me pics of your huge mega battles in themed zones ;)
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>>95973852About the half of the table we did for a Mordheim game some time ago.
>>95973800>a tank in 3.0 that can fully return fire, and tougher than everIts a better battle tank than a kratos now
>>95973893You are comparing the small scale game of mordheim to a huge 40000 point game of Horus heresy with titans and masses of units? Okay bud
>>95973594>could you name something you're eager to try?FOC chart is interesting. I really like the current one but I'm willing to try it if it really lets you be thematic. I'm worried people will just tech in Exodus and other one-off units that are just strong.
>Could you also name something you think changed for the worse?Vehicles holy fuck what the fuck man fucking hell. Defensive weapons should not make main weapons snapfire if those main weapons shoot the same target. Vehicles should be able to pass through area terrain. Sponson should NOT be defensive weapons. Glances causing statuses is fucking stupid no matter how you abstract it. Only pens should, and its a test each time, not automatic.
>>95973971>Only pens should, and its a test each time, not automatic.I'm honestly surprised this wasn't the case. I expected necromunda vehicle stats.
>>95973971Reminder cover only works for pens, not glances for whatever cursed reason.
>>95973652>it make no sense that doing one better on a dice roll made such a big differance to how effective that attack waswhen you roll to wound and need a 4 but you roll a 3, do you also get angry?
>>95974066I'm going to lose it. Did they have a quote for number of things changed?
>>95974093It's only small tweaks bro. It's. Basically the same bro.
Damn 3.0 isnโt even out yet and we are slowing down to a crawl again. Guess the hype didnโt have legs.
>>95974110It seems we have no choice . . . Deploy smoke.
>>95973594Like when 8th dropped the FOC all I think about are goofy lists like three atocannon turrets nesting 9 tarantulas.
>>95974123Hopefully smoke launchers will be good.
>>95974110Not much to discuss until we get the full rules. Though I doubt it will change anything, most people seem to already have decided 3.0 is the worst version of warhammer ever and already quit.
>>95974147All the stuff that interests me is/will be in the libers, and they've not shown any of it.
Everything I have seen has been either uninteresting, disappointing, or downright a dealbreaker.
I don't blame people for bailing.
>>95973527>>95973845It's genuinely just a bit sad.
I'm not gonna spit the dummy and throw my toys out over it, but its not the game system I joined in years ago.
If I wanted a fun game that has abstract gamey mechanics I would just play a video game.
If I want to play a manchild semi immersive warsim, thats when I want to paint up MyDudes, and have them fight YourDudes in a cool scenario on a cool table, where positioning matters, and it feels like your units are actually doing stuff(tm) instead of the Player activating trap cards.
I can always just play older versions, but this shit isn't even that old to begin with.
>>95974110We're at that strange limbo where we can't discuss 3.0 yet, but discussing 2.0 is pointless
>>95974228Discuss what you liked about 1.0.
I think 1.0 has the best Legion traits, since most of them were based on a legions personality and how that effected their combat doctrines, rather than reading a line in the wiki that says "they were good at X" and then giving them rules to make them good at X, like their 2.0 rules.
>>95972000Dante is so much better than his dad its unreal.
>>95974247All the consumable items were kinda cool
>>95974247Legion traits in 1.0 were cool because they were more fluffy and thoughtful, and balanced positives with drawbacks.
Specifically, the traits (overall) benefit all your dudes, where a lot of 2.0 legion traits revolve around your funny once per game spell card that only one unit gets to use. So it actually felt like your whole force had flavour of the legion, not the Player has a legion brand spell card they can play.
I also liked how squads generally (and particularly basic troops) actively encouraged you to have large blob squads, by having a base squad tax that made large units more cost effective. In 2.0 having models split into more units has no tax, lets you take more special weapons, and lets you mitigate reactions a bit better (of course there are still some downsides, but eh).
Also ap2 pie plates put the fear of god into super expensive units, although they were admittedly themselves way too undercosted/spammable.
>>95974247AL Saboteurs. Man the amount of salt over spartans going boom just because some 100 point dude decides to wander onto the board, glorious.
Vigilators crippling medusa squadrons at the start of the game was great too, fuck your artillery cheese bro.
>>95974247The weapon skill table.
Holy shit, of all the things I like in 1.0, this has to be the top one by a huge margin.
2.0 having all the powerful units have both 2 wounds and a huge defensive boost by being hittable on 5+ against everything except OTHER elite troops was honestly the worst ever fucking change by a country mile.
I want to play 30k to have huge waves of marines duking it out like imperial guard - not 3 elite models killing a dozen basic dudes themselves and taking 1 wound back.
In 1.0, a big assault squad blob could easily become a very scary opponent to an elite termie unit, especially when using some legion/character/ROW buffs.
>>95974288What did the 1.0 WS table look like?
>>95974247>>95974277People suffer from some serious rose-tinted glasses when it comes to HH 1.0 legion traits, good riddance. If you think the balance between the 2.0 traits is bad, you haven't properly played 1.0 kid. FW even had to redo most of the legions that got their rules first, the power creep was that bad.
The drawbacks did add some nice flavour, but ranged from "This isn't even a drawback" to "Holy fucking shit if any of my stuff ends up in combat they're fucked"
It's funny how I've only started hearing people being positive about the 1.0 traits years after the edition ended.
>>95974298If you have higher WS than the other guy, you hit on 3+
If the enemy had higher WS than you (or equal), you just hit on 4+ unless it was A LOT higher, like ws4 vs ws8 or something.
Personally I would do a mid ground and make the 5+ to hit be if there is a 2 WS gap, so there is some more granularity, since hitting on 5+ in 1.0 basically only came up for solo primarchs, and other extreme situations, but overall it just meant melee was much more lethal in general.
2.0/3.0 WS table means the best answer to elite melee units is other elite melee units, which is very gay.
>>95974325Some of the balance was shit of course, I don't hear anyone saying 1.0 was some god tier well balanced game (it had HUGE issues with ap2/ap3 pie plates being omega fucking strong).
But legion traits were FAR more fluffy and interesting. But yes the power scaling between some legion traits was comical, but this is GW so.
>>95974298Basically everything either hit on a 4+, or on a 3+ if the enemy WS was lower. Units only hit on a 5+ if the target's WS was over twice as high, which was -extremely- rare.
It was kinda boring in my opinion, 99.99% of the time you either had to roll a 4+ or a 3+ in close combat. Just give units a 4+/3+ WS like in 40k at that point.
>>95973594I'm looking forward to bringing 9 rifle sections to every game and burying my enemies in lasfire, quad cannons and the corpses of my fallen soldiers.
I'm not looking forward to the marines getting to snapfire on a 5+ while I'm stuck with 6's still.
>>95974339Some legion traits were less than spectacular though. The DA legion trait was the worst, it only gave +1 to hit in close combat if the enemy WS was equal and the DA model was holding a sword-shaped CC weapon.
>>95974326yeah, a 2-step for hitting on 5s feels fair.
>>95974351Gotcha, thanks!
>>95974351Fixed hit chance is fucking retarded. The whole point of the WS system is its a COMPARISON between two parties.
Yes 99% of all hits will be 4+ or 3+, but which one it is depends on who is actually fighting, which is a nuance 40k now lacks.
Giga swordlord mcchapter master hitting on 2+ or 3+ or whatever it is is fine, when he's fighting normal mooks. But if he's fighting a daemon prince, he is outmatched the the WS table helps reflect that, instead of 2 giga characters just hitting each other on 2+.
>>95974369Oh yeah, DA legion rule was fluffy and good though? getting the 3+ to hit in mirror match ups, in a game that is 90% space marines was a huge buff that didn't allow your elite units to bully weaker units more than they already could. Also that was only half of their legion trait? Any unit could also benefit from scion bonuses, which added a lot of flexibility at an actual cost.
Their ROW's on the other hand were completely fucking unhinged though, with some being just a voluntary way to handicap yourself.
>>95969332>For those tiny cables that GW likes to sculpt, I really like to just paint with with a nice metallic copper and a simple brown washSorry Anon, but I did that for a lot of tiny cables and after I started doing proper cables I realized how totally shit that looks. Cables let you add just that little bit of color that makes something pop out at you; doing a copper color is the same as just making it black.
>>95974357I'm seriously thinking about starting a little solar auxilia allied detatchment, just to have a bunch of line infantry with flashlights running around.
Recast FW solar aux are only a little more expensive thanrecast plastic ones, so I am probably gonna get the older sculpts because A: They look cool as fuck, and B: They are like 2 pieces per model so model prep and assembly will be way faster.
I liked that one WS table someone proposed where you need to be 2 higher to force 5,+ but was otherwise unchanged.
>>95974325>If you think the balance between the 2.0 traits is bad, you haven't properly played 1.0 kidI was there.
I remember the 1Ksons. I never said they were perfectly balanced, I think they were more fluffy.
>It's funny how I've only started hearing people being positive about the 1.0 traits years after the edition ended.I was saying I thought the 1.0 legion traits were better ever since 2.0 released (I play Iron Warriors and their 1.0 legion trait is more interesting than their 2.0 trait).
>>95970611they're porting the Skatros over, but it's getting a model refresh
base gun is S5 AP3 D3 Heavy (FP) Pinning (2), antimateriel gun is S7 AP3 D2 Armourbane Ordnance (RS), all at BS10
goes in the Combat Pioneer slot
>>95974110Nothing new to discuss and it's still a month away, what are we even supposed to talk about
>>95974247The campaign books were extremely well written. They weren't built as advertisements that you could market to the model audience they were dramatic tales of fleshed out campaigns that were created with even a minute venire of authenticity.
2.0's campaigns, what little we had, were mostly ass. What do you honestly thing 3.0's are going to be? With corporate mandates to shove saturnine and disintegrators every which-way?
>>95974409The DA legion trait wasn't great because all the sword shaped melee weapons were ass. Hitting the enemy on a 3+ with your power- or chainsword didn't mean much when those attacks just bounce off the opposition.
>>95974460I thought Siege of Cthonia was pretty okay, Beta Garmon felt half-hearted, and Martian Civil War was really disappointing. And since 2.0 ended so soon, they never figured out how to fix it. If 2.0 couldn't hit consistent okay quality, I have no interest in spending a dime for 3.0's campaigns.
>>95974460They're going to what we thought 2.0 was going to do and re-tread the Black Books. That's why the lore focus is on Istvaan and the start of open Heresy as opposed to 2.0 basically opening on the Siege of Cthonia that was contemporaneous with the Siege of Terra.
>>95974470Cthonia was so good I disregard it as a 2.0 book.. Beta Garmon and Mars were so low quality it is mind-blowing. Both were just the model-of-the-month being included in the fancy (expensive) campaign book so as to be equal to a commercial
>>95974520The whole of 2.0 gave such a rushed, unfinished impression, like it was just thrown out the door to go alongside all the new plastic models.
For all its faults, at least 3.0 seems to be a more finished product. 2.0 made me feel like I was paying to be a playtester.
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>>95973955>"you see, we have to have shitty tournament tables because we have titans"You asked an example of a large table with themed zones. The whole table was divided into 6 zones, each based on locations in Mordheim and themed accordingly.
>>95974432The Solar Auxilia are going to be in an extremely weird place in 3.0, how the fuck is the army even going to function when so many of their core gimmicks are attached to systems getting completely reworked. (Close Order, Tericos, Command Vox)
At least we're probably getting plastic Charonites tho, thats fun.
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>>95974542Yeah, even considering how dramatic some of the changes were now that 3.0 is up our nose so soon it feels like little more than a pet project.
But writing-wise there's no reason why an edition change should belittle such an established series of events.
>>95974551T.no games (of heresy)
>>95974542I don't understand this view. If anything, we know 2.0 was unfinished, I expect 3.0 to be doubly so. They're making changes for the sake of changes, and we can expect approximately 0 balance fixes per edition, so I don't see why you'd even bother.
>>95973971Statuses for glances makes perfect sense. No Statuses for penetrations makes no sense. Agreed that there should be a test.
Vehicles not being able to pass through terrain is stupid and makes it seem like the design crew think that the only form if terrain is sight blocking L-shaped Ruins/Walls.
>>95974653>like the design crew think that the only form if terrain is sight blocking L-shaped Ruins/Walls.or like the design crew are herding us towards accepting them
RAW even open terrain is a terrain feature, so vehicles canโt move RAW
>>95974627>changes for the sake of changesFucking hell, you don't even have to engage with warhammer e-grifters to hear their shitty takes, parrots repeat their verbal diarrhoea everywhere.
>>95974683It is a type of terrain. And at least in 2.0 it's stated that rules regarding terrain, unless stated otherwise, do not include Open Terrain.
Pair of standard bearers.
>>95974689Then please, explain why it's so overwhelmingly necessary to turn running into rushing?
>>95974762Have you ever seen a tank run anon? Or a motorcycle, mayhaps?
>>95974769Excellent answer.
Totally undermined by vehicles being excluded from the rushing rules, but you wouldn't know that, would you?
>>95974785#NotAllVehicles
>>95974762>>95974769It wasn't even running in 2.0, it's advancing or whatever the fuck. But they're changing it again cuz ??
>>95974561I'm honestly not even worried about the rules anymore. 3.0 looks so fucking retarded, I'm just focusing on the modeling/army building, and will worry about what rules to use later.
>>95974653>Statuses for glances makes perfect sense. No Statuses for penetrations makes no senseglances don't stop the tank and the results aren't permanent (some factions/models are going to auto-repair statuses); repeat effects cause 1HP as before (and are 1/3 for each, so each subsequent Glance while under an effect has a 1/3 chance of doing 1HP in addition to a status effect); multiple status effects at the same time is a bad place to be too
penetrating hits inflict a number of HP equal to the D characteristic of the weapon used; this means your Praetor's 10 point BS6 combi-melta can fuck a 125+ point Predator in one shot from 6" away without even needing a Critical Hit, it's literally 1/7 to onebang the Predator from the front at that distance
this is not the Vehicles edition you all made it out to be
>>95974769Here's several running tanks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsWuvS2PTU0
>>95974462Assaults squads could carve through other troops real well thanks to 3+. And firewing gave them hatred characters, which was a boost against almost every unit in the game.
It wasn't OP, but saying is ass is ???
>>95974683RAW vehicles can not be targeted by blast weapons either
>>95974247I liked the slow methodical pace of releases, allowing people to really focus on their armies and gave the time to collect and experiment with oddball choices and sub-par options.
I feel like short edition spans tend to focus people on comp playstyles and staple units, while the longer time-frame of HH1* gave people the breathing room to get bored with that style and branch out.
*I don't like calling it 1.0 because HH1 was at least three slightly different editions between 6th, 7th and AoD
>>95974809Anon the vehicles rules are genuinely fucked in the brain.
>vehicles can only move through open ground>you get cover save from pens but not glances>pens cannot incapacitate vehicles in anyway but a single glance can rng immobilie a tank for the entire game effectively>both points above, combined with some guns being unable to glance, means in some cases it is mechanically better to try glance a tank to disable it instead of shoot it with 30 lascannons to entirely destroy it
>>95974762NTA, but advancing is a terrible term for rushing. Advancing literally just means moving forward, so on top of being ambiguous it's also wrong because you can run backwards.
>>95974811>EN uses the same word to describe a person running on their own two feet and a mechanical engine functioningSometimes I like to forget how retarded the English language can be.
>>95974409>Also that was only half of their legion trait? Any unit could also benefit from scion bonuses, which added a lot of flexibility at an actual cost.Both the Wing and Scion abilities were cripplingly over-costed for what they did. Book 9 was clearly released without being properly finished.
>>95974860>thinks a word having multiple meanings is exclusive to EnglishIs this burger hours or something?
>>95974888This was just another case of extremely inconsistant balancing. Yes some of them were utter garbage, but others were extremely good.
25pts for hatred against 90% of enemy units is very good. 25pts for 1 reroll only in challenges is entirely useless.
But yes I agree book 9 was clearly rushed. It was like a 3rd of the length of some of the other blackbooks.
>>95974849Great answer, but 2.0 doesn't use advancing, it uses running, which is what I said? Not sure where you got advancing from.
Alright, which of the centurion ideas should I go for
>RG Champion. Pre-Corax but not Terran, he eagerly adopted all the new orders much to chagrin of many of his fellow vets. Now in a crisis of conscience as the war requires him to backslide into old XIXth ways. mk3 or mk6 with a lightning claw/raven's talon.
>RG Armistos. Huge Horus fan who was always complaining that their real space dad wasn't as cool as their old space dad, everyone was shocked that he remained loyal, mainly because he's mad that the SoH didn't invite him to their heresy. Lascannon, chameoline cloak, raven's talon?
Rhino arcus and sicarian scout.
>>959745423.0 is the most playtester edition of HH ever released. It's the first shitty rubbish half-baked edition on a 3 year cycle.
>>95975308And my new knight's mask.
>>95975170one handing a lascannon cuz your other hand are stabby swords seems somewhat impractical
>>95975402I wonder if Bonkle masks are the same scale as Knight heads
>>95975546Thank you Anon that is the effect I am going for. I'm pleased that is the most immediate image that comes to you.
>Ordu of Jaghatai
>Vlka Fenryka
I wish more legions had cool alternate names (and not just their pre-primarch name)
>>95972575Goonhammer has a guide
>>95973697No they would use the eye of Horus, that was the traitors unified symbol, also a mockery of the eye of Terra.
>>95973252Just shave it off or scratch it up to make it look defiled.
>>95973729What if they monkey pawn it and no jump pack
>>95975692It's in the old black book legion sections, IW were called the Corpse Grinders
>>95974462DA worst part was the 25pt tax to get your wing/hekatonistika bonus (which usually were pretty bad fir their cost and , regarding wings: mandatory for your RoW).
DA real trait was stasisgrammaton.
>>95973252>Would it make sense for a traitor militia army to have the eagle on their gunsYeah, you can do with minimal justification. A lot, at this stage, are fighting to replace the Emperor with Horus, not destroy the Imperium completely but put it under new management with new plans.
>>95973252Deface it with scratches or paint.
>>95976003Why do the beakies look so angry
>>95976011Beakies used to be like that but mellowed out in 2022
>>95971311>>95971790You can just put a link and be done.
Or you can bloat by describing obsolete editions and having each folders addressed one by one.
If you can't find your way with a root folder and clearly defined and titles subfolder, you probably can't play this game in any capacity.
If I ever see picrel again, my terminally online nigger ass will just nuke the mega.
And there's nothing you can do about it.
>>95975737Oh are they working in meat packaging?
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>>95975692Alpha Legion have a ton of them
Have the new Reaction rules been posted? I want to know what are and the icons they use (I have the old reaction token coins from HH2)
>>95976157Yeah it's true that it would be easier to just link the root, but why do you really care if the OP is a bit longer? It's still just one post.
>>95976157phonepostoids be like
How to I get in contact with a Heresy recaster? Any I should avoid like plague? GW no longer sells the resin heavy bolters so I'm forced to seek alternatives
>>95976237You could say that...
>>95976259>AL confirmed left handedBased
Hello everyone, I like you lot, don't come to Istvaan tomorrow
>>95975692even cooler are the names for squads like the Catulan Reavers, wish we saw it more often in people's lists.
>>95976399Those are just first company snowflake reavers. I want to make up my own reaver warband.
>>95974836>it is mechanically better to try glance a tank to disable it instead of shoot it with 30 lascannons to entirely destroy itSounds like the most realistic vehicle combat GW have ever done desu.
>>95975438Use one of the over-the-shoulder models, mini servo-arm on the backpack to swap power cells when expired.
>>95976359>Corax, Vulkan and Ferrus mAnus, supposedly three of the supreme tactical minds of the day and masters of hundreds of years of warfare.>"What an unusual thing to say, I guess I'll just ignore it and embark on the dumbest plan anyone has ever tried in a combat situation since someone said "Look your majesty, an arrow! Why don't you try to catch it with your teeth?" at Hastings in 1066."
>>95976407The background for the SoH band I eventually plan to make is essentially that their leader is a bitter middle manager who got passed over for promotion to the Justaerin so pulls a "fine, I'll make my OWN Justaerin, with blackjack and hookers" and lies, cheats, begs, borrows, and steals from Legion logistics to turn his low-numbered assault company into a poor man's 1st with "Karthaen Guard" terminator units and "Desolator Squads"(Chieftains used as an elite assault unit).
>>95974409getting +1 to hit, and only with a sword (a weapon no one wanted to take) in an edition that was all about shoting the other army with maximum number of phosphex and pie plates was not what I would describe as "good".
>It wasn't OP, but saying is ass is ???Is right. It was super ass, it was a bad buff on top of a tax you had to take to get an aspect of the game buffed that was bad for the edition.
If 3ed rules buff DA melee in some odd way too, it is going to be all the same thing, the same way around, because the game (again) is going to be all about shoting. In 2ed you at least had thunder hammers, cenobiums (with or without hammers) and interemptors. Now interemptors will be ass, melee is bad and who knows what GW does to cenobiums. There are no official FW thunder hammers for them, and GW could as well turn terran blades in to power swords.
>>95976262Anyone got the new reaction rules and their icons?
I want to know if i still could use pic related
Troop Master.
Thinking of replacing the tactical rock with a tactical marine corpse. The one with BoP Ahriman would've been nice, but unfortunately traded mine away ages ago.
>>95976932Fuck the rock, give 'im a corpse.
>>95972000Hypocrisy? From one of history's most brutal warlords? In MY Age of Darkness!? Say it ain't so!
>>95976932His head is the size of it's WHOLE TORSO.
WHAT. THE. FUCK.
Resize your print faggot
>>95976932His head is normal GW size, he just has a big hat.
>>95977051That's just how he looks even without a headswap.
>>95977051His head is normal GW size, he just has a big hat.
I have a carnal need for new Vostroyan models.
They have an unmatched aesthetic.
>>95977086No Vossies for you, only steampunk divers.
>>95977086WGA's Les Grognards kit is pretty close to them out of the box, and are compatible with GW's kits (at least some of them) if you want a little more GW elements in them.
Pete the Wargamer did a video on converting and painting them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3Aqq2GyR7Y
Although, for Horus Heresy, you'd have to make them a Genos-Regiment since Vostroyans explicitly refused to partake in the Heresy one way or another, but nothing saying you couldn't make them Vostroyans in all but name.
>>95977110BlackMarketMiniatures makes cast sets of Vossie heads to use as conversion bits, if one wants something other than the French bonnet-รก-poils. Alternatively there's a few different fur hats from Mad Robot as well.
>>95976686>Corax>supreme tactical mindu havin a giggle mate?
>>95977171He was an innovator and a pioneer. He's credited with tactical innovations such as "don't let the enemy see you" and "if you have two hands that means you can hold two guns."
>>95974460When Alan Bligh died, the real soul of HH died with him.
Building up a 10 man squad of UM Combi-Volkite Veterans. Idea is they come down in a drop pod, get their legion bonus from the gun inside firing, then unload to knock an enemy unit off of an objective with lots of shots.
How are they looking (I am aware they need a lot of clean up and filing still)
>>95976688I like it, nice lore
Is there any way to showcase a chainsword as being a paragon blade without it being too wanky? I don't want it to be anything crazy exotic just a chainsword that's been tuned and upgraded to be better since chainswords are cool
>>95977189Also: How to be stealthy when you're six feet tall and in metal armour that has it's own powerpack that vents heat out of the top.
That's pretty impressive, be fair.
But, I still maintain none of the primarchs on the loyalist side of Istvaan V come out of the event looking good.
>>95977342Give it Diamond teeth and a cooling tube connected to something to cool it on the backpack. Because Diamond saws are used to cut conk create in real life, so surely a diamond chainsword cut cut terminator armour
>>95976157>terminally online niggers when they have a hard time deleting a few wordshow curious. i genuinely hope this general just stops providing this shit for free
>>95977236Those arms look rather thin.
>>95977447>i genuinely hope this general just stops providing this shit for freeSame.
But even then, still a long way before we get to kino OP post like WFG/40kg/AoSG even with this.
This one is a mess of obsolete shit and systems no one plays that don't derserve their general.
>>95975308>sicarian scoutthey should do this for real, but only for NL and with rockets too
>>95977447Why no go the extra lenght and add a link for each codex of each edition at this point.
Also each faq and each errata of each codex.
So you can spoonfeed even better
Time to put Legionis Imperialis in the OP again
>>95977651On top of this, good thing we even keep 3 separate archives older OP threads in pastebin with completely out of date rules and links to dead websites. What damage could getting rid of these cause to the community reeeee
This is a whole phd in necromancy.
I dont even want to know how much shit and how much mess is in the basement of the original OP. That guy probably keeps toilet paper for a second round.
>>95977171He did beat Gman in battle sims constantly. Its how Moritats got introduced to the legions. Thats the issue with having to expand and backfill around old big events like the drop site; it has to happen and sometimes theres no writing that makes it make sense.
That said Corax was still an insufferable hypocritical cunt.
>>95977236They look sick, I like them
Started work my my Rapiers today, really easy mosels to work with.
Question, those ultra symbols with the wings and bilts, are they anything spesific or just generic ultra symbols?
>>95977768The laurels denote command of some sort. The wing bits are biblically accurate Ultramar Angels who seek to touch the golden throne and begin the 5th impact.
>>95977768Iirc those are the legion specific breachers.
>>95977805Yeah, Ultra breachers all seem to have them
>>95977447Would a torrent work? Though it didn't work out for /3dpg/
>>95970503That is impressively retarded
MEGA anon here, back again since we're talking about file storage. Sorry for dropping off the face of the earth for a while but lets just say current events have made my work/life balance a mess and I haven't had much time to think about this stuff. Though hopefully the absence has made GW less interested in striking everything.
Anyways, I'm curious if anyone here has any experience with gofile? The free account tier only has 'temporary' data storage which seems to get punted into some kind of cold storage after a while that can't be retrieved unless you shill out for the paid tier. I recall an anon here saying he hosted some stuff with gofile for a different general so I'm wondering if that's only practical if you pay.
Anyways if gofile doesn't work out I'll just make a new MEGA account and re-host it all there, but I'm a bit skeptical of that now since GW or whoever were striking it near daily by the end.
>>95978048You could try bunkr but I don't know how they are for DMCA, seems to work fine for all the porn hosted there
>>95978048I use Catbox for things under 200mb. I think most books are, aside from that big ass compilation of all marine rules but there might not be one of those in 3.0
Catbox could work by just having a list of links to each individual thing. If it gets taken down just change the link on the list?
>>95977688This is the least believable trollLARP we've had in a long time bud. Nobody's buying it.
>>95978021>>95970503>>95970311both the Deathstorm and Dreadnought pods are out of stock on the webstore rn; they're resin and might go over to plastic sooner rather than later (we know the STL already exists because they're in LI)
but interestingly the new mkII-focused IW army for the Saturnine photography has... drop pods with closing doors (because they're the old kit)
so maybe we're getting Legion Drop Pod at some point as the grownup audience, or maybe they used up old stock to do it, or maybe there's already been an internal decision to go back to the old pod when the Chinese-made stock is used up
>>95978631>back to the old podim physically unable to be that optimistic with gw
>>95978631>maybe we're getting Legion Drop Pod at some point as the grownup audienceDidn't they say the old pods are getting reboxed for HH?
>>95978631It would make no sense for them to use the new 40k pod when it doesn't even have the correct options for HH.
>>95978749Would imagine. Until the 40k ones are a better deal.
Huh, my Rapiers didn't arrive
>>95978833You fool! The Warmaster rearranged supply lines so that only his forces get them
>>95977768Those things are just screaming to get converted into little Leman Russes. Maybe as light sentinel alternatives?
>>95978852But mine are traitors anon :'(
>>95978749No, just that they exist. If I had to guess, resing upgrades for the plastic.
>>95978810A lack of a stormbolter (a 40k weapon) makes the brand new pods more 30k friendly than any existing pods. There's a 0% chance that GW spends another $50,000+ to make a new mold for 99% identical 30k-nu-pods. There's no possible way ever that could make them more profit than making something else as a new mold which wouldn't be 99.9% identical to a new mold they just built.
>>95978913Unless they remake the deathstorm and dreadclaw kits, they need to keep the old pods in production. Tho maybe they won't sell them separately
Have the mkIV outriders been in stock ever since they squatted the scout bikes they use?
It feels like everything HH related is perpetually unavailable...
>>95978920>Being autistic about storm bolter vs combi-bolterDon't make me post the image. Nobody, and I mean absolutely nobody in the history of ever, has had issues with using the old plastic drop pods in HH.
>>95978920>There's a 0% chance that GW spends another $50,000+ to make a new mold for 99% identical 30k-nu-pods>From the people that make 7 different variants of the same intercessor unit
>>95978972oh, he also arranged for Perty not to get anything, but this shouldn't come as a surprise to you
>>95978972Why would you need rapiers, you should already have loads of them as IW. Specially if you played in 1.0, you're not a real IWfag unless you still own at least 9 quad mortars.
>>95978920GW doesn't follow any kind of logic. We've had legion vehicles getting reboxed with plastic sponson and then not too long after getting remade in plastic. The old drop pods are in book 1 as phobos-something mk2 and swapping the stormbolter with a combi one isn't the end of the world, git good.
>>95979023Because I didn't start my IW until 2.0 dummy
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>>95979068Post models, nogames
>Play DA and AL
>Don't know whether to get the liber astartes or liber hereticus
Probably gonna end up waiting for one of the based anons to drop the PDF files in the end, I guess.
>>95979533same but Sallies instead of Dark Angels. I like the pictures and lore tidbits in the last books so I might pay like a good piggy.
Been a while since I've read the last HH books (not counting the SoT ones). Do you agree with the order of events that's shown?
>>95979533Stop buying books PDFs will be posted here within two weeks of release, you're part of the problem
Do we know when the new box releases?
>>95979533>DA and ALBut they're both traitors?
>>9597976526th of July, some story manager posted the paperwork that came with the delivery.
>>95979717Gotta convince GW somehow to finally start selling that plastic thunderhawk
>>95979533anyone paying for a $60 codex for that'll be outdated within 1-3 years is subhuman trash and should be scorned. The only reason we don't get free digital rules to accompany our overpriced minis is the absolute dumbfucks who fork over cash for temporary GW paper.
>>95979856>The only reason we don't get free digital rules to accompany our overpriced minis is the absolute dumbfucks who fork over cash for temporary GW paper.Be a good goy and buy a subscription to the app! Retard.
>>95979533I bought both for 2.0 thinking they'll be good for 10 years again.... never again. Fuck these rug pulling fuckers.
>>95979978I didn't buy anything during 2.0 because the rules looked so unfinished. Since 3.0 looks like a proper new edition (at least for GW standards) to give it a try, but definitely not giving them another penny if 4.0 is coming out within 3 years.
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pics of our huge game.
Traitors won in the end, I sadly was across from a dirty Knights + IW list that tabled both my entire 4k of militia + RG and then 4K of blood angels basically in a few turns. Otherwise a cool game, My mor deythan whom I had forgot to deploy were allowed a random outflank, turned up and gunned down a Daemon LOW, 20 lesser demons and 3 brutes :)
Reavers had a punch up, in the end, 3 knights, 2 reavers, 2 warhounds, 3 primarchs and a Daemon LoW and a baneblade died in the game (+ 1000s of points of other shit)
>>95979978I bought the books because of the same reasons and then the bindings disintegrated on me after like two months of mild use
so no more books for me
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>>95980070dirty ugly demon
>>95980099Is that Legio Mortis vs Xestobiax?
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>>95980128Zestobiax indeed, unsure on the other, My warhound was Solaria and the other was Xestobiax too.
>>95980177it was indeed, love me a big game.
>>95968861 (OP)next time the TQ is about what super spexul units you want for your Legion, don't let me forget:
BA Terminators with double long-blade chainfists with twin-linked meltaguns mounted on the back
also they're criminally insane and will cleanse a space hulk of a small Ork civilization with just 50 dudes and 96% casualties
>>95980064Sick as hell
I just had a game played RG into DG, Dominion and table corners. Took a different than usual list. No Mor Deythan nor Dark Furies. Skewed XIX with Deliverers, destroyers, Moritats, siege Breaker, phosphex rapiers, and a Xiphon because why not. I also allied Thallax and a Castellax. He took Death Shroud in a LR, Grave Wardens, 10 HSS Autocannos with Armistos, Destroyers, lost of vets, and two min tacs.
Won 4-1. I infiltrated on side objectives and used the JSJ Thallax to good effect. Maimed both tac units, one ran off and the other just hunkered in the center while I had to deal with termis. Fucking Xiphon was trash. Picrel LVP and MVP.
Did we see unit types with flyers? Can they be obscured in 3.0?
>>95980355The entire flyer rules have been posted. Not many seem to like them, but I think they're a more realist representation of what air support looks like.
>>95980355>Did we see unit types with flyers? Can they be obscured in 3.0?Flyer rules were in last thread or the one before it. They work pretty differently. They don't obscure LoS at all iirc
>>95980403they were three threads back but I found both them and LoS rules. On my first pass I didn't see anything saying flyers were always TLoS. There wasn't even a flyer sub type? I did see wings do no count for measuring distances, so my Viper Pattern Xiphon is nearly identical to the target parts of a real Xiphon, so that's neat.
>>95980383The flying missions are interesting if they can be obscured and I didn't miss some random throwaway line, since intercept is when its placed along the edge of your zone. I'd bet certain flyers will get ground attack rules so they don't have to snap fire on a Strike Mission.
>>95980481Flyers ignore all effects and rules from terrain, which probably includes getting a cover save
>>95979972Wait what? Loken uses a chainsword!
>>95980501Oh I did not see this pic. Since that bullet is only when specifically moving a flyer, "ignore all effects" reads to me things like dangerous and difficult for slowing it down and taking tests.
>Glances are just a HPOddly OK with this, my game it was stunned and then died. It was a waste of 105 points.
>>95979972Femboy or female?
>>95980535Oh you're right, it does specify "When moving"
Wonder if there is more LOS rules, or if a flyer will get a cover save just because there's a wall between it and the unit shooting at it. The terrain rules also referenced a different page concerning cover save rules that we haven't seen yet, so there's still a lot we're missing.
>>95980555Least Homosexual XVIth Legionary
>>95979859>dumbfuck actually thinks paying for a subscription to the app lets him use any armiesLmao. Nope, you have to subscribe to the app AND also purchase each codex to use them in the app. The app should be renamed PaypigWorkshop, it's like giving a woman money to look at you in disgust and not even sleep with you.
>>95980798Physical books and printable errata or bust. Fuck the digital rule and app slop.
>>95980816Nah, fuck GW trying to sell their slop as professional rulebooks. completely free digital rules, lore and art book only libers, reprints of all black books.
>>95980064Sounds like a blast. How long did the game take? Got closer pics of the.. dragon?
>>95980907Almost no one would buy the books if all they had was artwork and fluff. And definitely not new ones each edition.
Do you anons know where I could find scans (or at least a list) of the articles unique to regional variants of White Dwarf, such as the Laius Rift campaign?
>>95980984>TWO bolt pistolsBut that's a warcrime!
I've got two boxes of quad mortar rapiers on the way.
Thinking I should wait until we have the full rulebook before I commit to any more of them.
>>95980984>Laius Rift campaignhttps://imgur.com/a/laius-rift-part-1-HiZnx
https://imgur.com/a/laius-rift-part-2-wkHJo
https://imgur.com/a/laius-rift-part-3-zjlLC
searching for individual campaigns by name may yield better results than eg white dwarf australia, which got me these, but then you'd have to know what was in each WD which is kind of self-defeating if you don't already know
>Tandaris Outbreakhttps://imgur.com/a/tandaris-outbreak-part-1-ULhl1
https://imgur.com/a/tandaris-outbreak-part-2-drIOn
https://imgur.com/a/tandaris-outbreak-part-3-iCHWS
>Praetorian battle reporthttps://macharianthunderguard.blogspot.com/2013/03/an-old-white-dwarf-praetorian-battle.html
Man WTF, I made the imgur last time, I noticed, half the images are gone, so I go and remake it and now I'm seeing that most of the special rules and mission images refuse to go through. Did GW flag them or something?
What are we going to see tomorrow guys?
>>95977719>He did beat Gman in battle sims constantlyHe won like the first 3 out of 10. In that bit (Guilliman's novel), GMan praises Corax but he concedes the Primarch of the Ultramarine caught on quickly enough.
Luckily the other legions got Moritats out of that instead of only Raven Guards, so that's nice
>>95981228Well it worked when they got their own imgur gallery so I guess i just hit some limit and this site is too retarded to tell me
https://imgur.com/a/C7NLFxm
https://imgur.com/a/ThwkCe3
>>95977110>you'd have to make them a Genos-Regiment since Vostroyans explicitly refused to partake in the HeresyMy take is that it is Vostroyans the ones who look like Imperial Army and not the other way around, because 10000 years later in 40k, Vostroyans are the only ones still using IA uniforms, after they were given the old uniforms they never got to wear.
Their due will have been paid once every uniform has been blooded by a Vostroyan firstborn. Even if it takes another ten thousand years...
>>95979679>needing a guide to read some books in release order
>>95977051>His head is the size of it's WHOLE TORSOUh, fucking based?
>>95976866I don't remember what each status does. But I know all of those make you fight last, regardless of modifiers
>>95980998>Destroyers are used as a last resort because their weapons permanently taint the battlefield, and are shunned by the other legionaries because of their task>In game they're armed with two pistolsDestroyers really need a rework.
The tools of their trade are specifically listed as radiation, chemical weapons, and phosphex. The only one of these they come with by default is radiation in the form of rad grenades. Other than that, the sergeant can take a phosphex bomb and one in five can take rad missiles or a toxiferran flamer.
The whole squad should be equipped with war crime weapons; something like rad guns from the mechanicum, and phosphex for everyone as missiles or something. Chems are good as just the flamer, but a gas grenade would be neat too.
>>95981068Thanks Anon. As you say, it would be nice to have a list of which articles each region made, so I'd know what to look for. I appreciate the ones you shared nonetheless.
>>95980984>>95981068I condensed both of these into PDFs a while back if anyone is interested.
https://gofile.io/d/gMwH8X
>>95980064Anyone heard of a gym and proper diet? Jesus Christ. Cool game though
>>95982172They're horus heresy players, so of course not. And only 2 of those guys are above the average largeness.
>>95980355How did you do that Xiphon?
Looks absolutely sick.
>>95982172I've seen way worse.
There's just two I would even consider really fat.
>>95983212tbf, only 2 of us there go gym.
id say 4 out of 11 are not over weight.
>>95980065>>95979978same
its a shame too because I liked the 1rs edition books
