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>Previous thread:
>>95964861

>thread question:
What music do you listen to when at the hobby desk working on your minis?

>>95969017 (OP)
>TQ
Madness Combat music by Cheshyre or music inspired by his style.

>>95969017 (OP)
>What music do you listen to when at the hobby desk working on your minis?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8nYdZw-7vE

Been bumping this for white boy summer while painting my new Black templars

>>95969028
Should have also said that that tank is my submission to the collage. If collage bro is still taking entries.
Previous post that correlates with the timestamp:
>>95966170

Is it just me or do none of the planets in 40k have any depth?
>tq
Royalty free music, just to see if I can be surprised by whats out there. If not that then something from mili or arknights. Yes im a gacha fag.

>>95969017 (OP)
>TQ
Usually the Mechanicus track, Legio Symphonica, or Archotechna. Also some Manowar thrown in there too

>>95969017 (OP)
>TQ
opera and disco mostly, sometimes really autistic shit like gregorian chants while I paint my sisters

>>95969042
>Is it just me or do none of the planets in 40k have any depth?
Armageddon and Necromunda are pretty much the only ones, because they needed to be fleshed out for other games. Apart from that it's usually not in GWs interest to work intently on one planet because the galaxy is a fuckhuge place and they're just going to jump to another one and another one. I guess for more recent stuff Vigilus got a fair amount of depth at least.

>>95969042
>Royalty free music, just to see if I can be surprised by whats out there. If not that then something from mili or arknights. Yes im a gacha fag.
You sound like a disgusting crinklehead freak, what an utterly worthless human you are

>>95969017 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_72WntKUF4A
Only the good shit

I actually an the decalfag and am too high to respond to any of this shit

>>95969069
I believe you, this one sounds like you.

>>95969042
You should maybe read some BL and FFG stuff. Plenty of planets have plenty of background.
The question is rather: is that much even needed for you to play games?

i'm not high enough it's why i'm being mistaken for decalfag
next 8 blinkers are dedicated to the number eight

>>95969017 (OP)
>TQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNtMtc3mjvI

>>95969069
>dude weed lmao!
You're definitely underage

>>95969017 (OP)
>TQ
I never listen to music on my own. When I paint I listen to audiobooks and historical podcasts

I wish Magnus were an actual cyclops. Yet another thing that HH ruined.

>>95969069
Nobody mentioned you this entire thread you freak, are you really that desperate for attention

>>95969097
hit this penjamin and chill out bwo

>>95969105
I wish Scarab Occult were still Magnus larpers.

>>95969105
Same. Instead muh deal with the warp

>>95969105
Does it really matter that he isnt always a cyclops when he has a head that looks like a cyclops that you need to glue on, which means your magnus will always be a cyclops

>>95969114
>penjamin
>bwo
Yep under 18, called it

Why does the schizo get so bent out of shape about anons referring to ancient political groups and norse mythology?

>>95969115
Is this just alpha legion

>>95969127
gonna burst a vessel you keep raving anon frfr

>>95969050
I don’t think you know what royalty free music means

>>95969105
Only his daemon model from Epic was an actual cyclops; there was never any other basis for it.
You want Morty to actually look like a giant grim reaper, too?

>>95969159
>morty
Yes, please. It’d be so much cooler. Instead Aos stole that asth

>>95969017 (OP)
https://youtu.be/ATedj1ItciE?
This is what I was listening while doing some shading work on my guy tonight. Highlights are for tomorrow, can’t wait to fuck up the whip, I haven’t quite figured out what I want to do with it yet. So I’m gonna just do my usual Corvus black>Mech standard gray> fenrisian grey on the segments and see how that looks first.

Has a monthly theme been decided for july?

>>95969177
Not yet, vote is Monday, euro hours.

>>95969172
What kit is that whip from? Dark eldar?

>>95969182
Vulkyn Flameseekers from AoS

>>95969179
>>95969177
I vote for psykers

>>95969135
Why are you dragging bait from one thread to the next

>>95969172
I would probably drybrush the wip lightly eith a bright grey and wash it a couple times to kill the dusty look

>>95969189
i hope not i want it to be something i can buy for my sisters army

>>95969193
Its a serious question. But if youre going to be upset, what do you want to talk about instead?

>>95969203
I'm surprised Celestine can't cast a spell or two

>>95969207
Anything that isn't bait that has to do with warhammer 40k a tabletop miniatures game

>>95969159
>You want Morty to actually look like a giant grim reaper, too?
Yes?

>>95969209
How anons paint their minis has a lot to do with warhammer 40k, a tabletop miniatures game.

>>95969229
Just stop, the thread just started, we don't need to encourage meltdowns for them to happens, they'll happen on their own

>>95969229
I only care if anons paint their minis at all
the biggest telltale sign that someone in this thread is a secondary faggot or just trolling is shitting on a model that has paint on it
truth is, most painters are not good, I'd wager there's maybe 8-9 well painted armies in my local and a hundred or so more that just meet the 3 color minimum for 10 vp and are at most primed/contrastshade in that order
I have way more respect for the one thicc coat player than the grey horde guy who hasn't painted his shit in years

finally basedcoated my black templars after staring at the sprues for 3 weeks
how the fuck do people paint white without losing their minds
also why do purity seals always look like chewed gum no matter what I do

Dark angels, black templars, or grey knights for the proper knights in space feel?

>>95969244
I think those 3 color minimum armies are basically as ugly as bare plastic.

>>95969244
The issue has never been the paintjobs, it's the behavior of the poster.

40k went from a setting as a background to why everyones fighting everyone else to after the HH series, a plot that people want to advance. They want important named characters to have 0 mystery and to interact with each other and what the plot to advance, that is events that alter the setting forever. The second group keeps growing so how will GW deal with it?

>>95969326
I think 40K should go back to being a silly setting. Horus heresy ruined the atmosphere.

>>95969313
its a spectrum of how much you care about Merlin getting executed, being in the army, being the army

>>95969244
3 colour minimum was the requirement to play at warhammer world it never had anything to do with the battle ready. Being battle ready is different and asks for more effort by asking for every material to be picked out in its own colour and shaded

>>95969326
>how will GW deal with it?
I imagine the way they'd deal with it would be to advance the plot.

>>95969318
Cope. Theres nothing wrong with being a fan of space wolves

>>95969335
The issue is him being a fan of the third reich. You can like space wolves that's not an issue. Orangewolfanon manages to do so without plastering dogwhistles everywhere, there no reason that you can't do that too

>>95969344
How is that an issue?

>>95969326
the plots been advancing since third

>>95969017 (OP)
>TQ
mostly discovery by daft punk or AVD by justice

>>95969353
You don't talk to real human beings very often do you.

>>95969344
>The issue is him being a fan of the third reich
This is fucking 4chan, that is not an issue. Just be less of a fag.

>>95969049
Gorkamorka/Angelus/XCV-103 as well

>>95969360
Decalmutant's the one being a fag by bouncing between I-I didn't know~ uWu and N-No I totally knew and it's because space marines are heckin nazis too!!!

>>95969361
Yeah I thought about listing that one, to be honest though, it's much less fleshed out than the other two.

>>95969357
If you like discovery and justice you might like apollo440
https://youtu.be/WEpaGjNoUKE?si=l9idk7CHIvF1W8On

>>95969364
Yeah I agree he's being retarded about it too, but making a big deal about it is just feeding that behavior. This isn't a reddit hugbox, even if someone wants to post literal nazi models who cares. It's not like the guy is literally killing people in a concentration camp he's just posting some edgy plastic toy soldiers.

>>95969381
I don't get it

>>95969105
You have a cyclops right there. You don't need anything else.
>but muh HH
The primarchs were always still human looking and were created/designed by the Emperor to be like that before the became daemons.
Why the hell would Emps ever make one his sons look like some mutant freak with 1 eye when be abhors mutants himself?

Magnus sacrificing one of his eyes to try find knowledge to help fix his legion fits much better and it also mirrors real life mythology with Odin who also sacrificed 1 of his eyes for knowledge.

>>95969360
>this is 4chan we should encourage sociopathic behaviour
Why. What is the benefit to doing so

>>95969017 (OP)
>What music do you listen to when at the hobby desk working on your minis?
this for orks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_xqb416S7o

>>95969393
Sociopathic behaviour? Because he painted his minis in away he likes?

>>95969359
Not an argument. Answer the question

>>95969393
Everyone irl are already insane sociopaths, some dudes plastic toys looking like some country’s army from 80 years ago doesn’t matter

>>95969389
Why would he give one wings?

>>95969383
>he's just posting some edgy plastic toy soldiers.
Right, and that's gay. Putting political references on your minis is fag shit and deserves to be shit on because it is devoid of creativity and invites people to focus on things that have nothing to do with miniatures or warhammer. It'd be just as gay to put a sports team logo on all your space marines or paint them all like avengers

>>95969402
>>95969403
Samefag

>>95969326
>faggot millennials trying to nitpick everything

>>95969409
>black templars
>inquisition
>legions
>commisars
Lol

>>95969419
None of that is comparable to anything actually existing
But cute attempt at deflection

>>95969416
Why would I samefag? You cant even present an argument

>>95969419
Painting a commissary to look like a commissar from your codex is not the same as intentionally putting dogwhistles for a genocidal regime that weren't there to begin with

>>95969409
While it is gay, I don’t think I’d really care either way if someone had packers or chiefs themed minis, you know?
>>95969416
Cmon I didn’t type like him at all

>>95969429
Because it's the same tired argument you try every time you throw a tantrum and get put in timeout by the fridgeanon

>>95969431
>>95969428
They exist in the game and are based on real world groups who have caused mass killings.

>>95969441
No they aren't

>>95969017 (OP)
>Read Era of Ruin
Most of the stories were actually quite good, but Narek was done really dirty. I guess it was an ending, but it feels more like tying off a loose plot thread with a "Fuck it, never mind I guess" than anything else.

>>95969409
>It'd be just as gay to put a sports team logo on all your space marines
honestly plenty of sports teams with good colour schemes and logos, could be good

Random Lore Questions:

1. How long do gene seed implants last for? Are they always taken from dead Astartes? What if they are damaged?

2. How big are Battle Barges? How many Astartes/non-Astartes are on your average one?

3. What is the average day like for an Astartes in training? What is it like when they graduate?

4. How much mutation is allowed in your average Space Marine chapter or in the Imperial Guard? Do they kill anyone that isn't 100% normal or if a guy with a third arm showed up they would allow it since its useful?

5. Does your average Guardsman see much combat or are most companies just guarding stuff on planets that don't get much action?

6: How quickly does exposion to the warp affect a person? Lets say a person in a space suit is outside of a ship as it travels through the warp, how long until the person is affected?

>>95969439
You dont have an argument on why an anon cant paint his guys the way he wants. All you can do is insult or use your feelings.
>hurr you dont know people in real life
>samefag
>dogwhistles

>>95969344
There's nothing wrong with being a fan of the third reich. I would argue there's more wrong with being a Communist or a Muslim, Nazis have not existed for half a century and are no longer hurting people.
who are you more likely to get killed by, a muslim or a nazi?

There's no point trying to build an army for current edition is there? Like by the time I finish painting it will be 11th already

>>95969444
Inquisition isnt in 40k? Commisars arent?

>>95969451
Rules might change but the army will still be there. You’ll probably be fine, though I’m holding out on getting a Black Templars combat myself because supposedly they’re getting a new one soon

>>95969449
Because the way he wants to represent his guys represent a genocidal regime. It would be like claiming that there would be no problem if a company made drain cleaner tablets in packaging for candy Because the company should be able to design their packaging the way they want.

>>95969464
I hope we start getting leaks for new edition soon

>>95969448
>1. How long do gene seed implants last for?
If properly preserved, I imagine they last forever, but they'll be used before too long.
>Are they always taken from dead Astartes?
Actually one gets taken out while the Marine is still alive, the second one is usually taken out after death.
>What if they are damaged?
Then they lose it.

>2. How big are Battle Barges?
Fuckhuge, there are much smaller Imperial ships that are like 4 kilometers.
>How many Astartes/non-Astartes are on your average one?
They hold up to three companies with all their gear and support equipment but realistically would need thousands of non-Astartes crew to operate the massive ship.

>3. What is the average day like for an Astartes in training?
There's an awesome lore blurb about this in the 3rd ed Marine codex, find a scan.
>What is it like when they graduate?
Graduate training? They don't. They continue training whenever they aren't deployed, forever.

>4. How much mutation is allowed in your average Space Marine chapter or in the Imperial Guard?
Varies, much less is allowed for Marines because it causes problems with the gene-seed implants and might make them incompatible.
>Do they kill anyone that isn't 100% normal
Some do, some don't.
>or if a guy with a third arm showed up they would allow it since its useful?
That's a pretty extreme mutation, obvious genestealer implications aside. A mutant like that would be killed on many worlds, but might be allowed to serve as a slave, penal legionnaire, or so on.
>5. Does your average Guardsman see much combat or are most companies just guarding stuff on planets that don't get much action?
They see a lot of combat. Sitting around guarding stuff is typically for the Planetary Defense Forces, if you're getting shipped out in the Guard, they probably have an active warzone for you. But, not always.
>warp exposure
Buddy if you're outside a Gellar Field while in warp-translation having a space suit on is not doing shit for you lol.

>TQ
I don't have a hobby desk so I have to hobby at the flgs. Consequently, I don't listen to music. If I did, probably Blind Guardian to get in the mood.

>>95969473
That makes no sense. The way he paints his guys, doesnt kill anyone like a candy drano might. It harms no one. The setting is of total war, mass murder, genocide etc. The game includes real world groups who are guilty of the above (irl). So its realistic to the setting to have such a group or to base your dudes off such a group.

>>95969448
1) Gene seed last as long as the host is alive. Progenoid glands allow for the reproduction of gene seed every few years.
2) 10~ km
3) Meditation, sparring and prayer. Graduation largely depends on the chapter.
4) Mutations in space marine chapters are common, but usually not debilitating. The imperial guard will take nearly anybody for the meat grinder.
5) Guardsman are like tissue paper. Most get used once and then chucked.
6) Warp exposure produces random effects, ranging from mutation to possession. Being physically inside the warp without protection is a death sentence.

is an all assassins list in agents good yet

>>95969017 (OP)
>TQ
City Girl, Macross 82-99, Darkness, and Haircuts for Men are my go-to choices. Something I can play quietly in the background.

>>95969509
No. There is an Assassins detachment that actively makes the assassins worse. But even then, you can't spend enough points on Assassins to fill out an entire army.

Also its kind of a weird ask. Even if you could take 20 Eversors, would you want too?

>>95969461
Oh yeah I've got a few tracks by them in my mess of a playlist too, pretty good artist

I knew the decalfag was going to do this the minute he got banned from the fridge.

>>95969473
The Empire is a literal genocidal and xenophobic regime on a galactic scale but I don't see you making a big deal out of that.

>>95969448
3. google 'space marine scout'

>>95969382
Oh yeah I've got a few tracks by them in my mess of a playlist too, pretty good artist

>>95969017 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3OKd5b2Rlw&list=RDz3OKd5b2Rlw&start_radio=1
>I use adblocker plus and Ublock origin to avoid commercials

>>95969530
Unfortunately the imperium will always be cooler and more badass than any government that has or will exist. Those who complain will be shot

>>95969527
It was inevitable, there was no way he ever had a chance of making it and is incapable of controlling his emotions

>>95969527
Shitbirds are circling, Randy. You know why they are flying up there? They sense it. A coming shitticane to end all shitticanes.

>>95969527
what happened

>>95969542
Schizo melty from anon who thinks he can bully people

>>95969542
Exactly what he was doing every other time he got his ban expiry resolved. Literally no changes to his usual behavior

>>95969550
You're so pathetic and desperate to be the victim

Can you both kill yourselves and be done with this?

Ok I probably shouldn't stoke this fire but whatever. At what point does the historical inspiration turn from ok to cringe? If I put a company of Her Majesty's Royal Airlanding Brigadewith Churchills and Universal Carriers, with crowns and roundels, on the tabletop to represent an IG army? Do I need to take the roundels off and give them lasguns?

>>95969017 (OP)
>TQ
Generally a little bit of everything, but mostly prog rock/metal. My playlist is like 90% prog rock and 10% everything else from country to rap to classical and foreign music. I'm a huge fan of music in general.

>>95969584
Fuck off

>>95969593
What about Praetorians?

Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>95969599
Dark eldar more like fart smelldar lmaooo

>>95969599
>>95969619
quality posts

>>95969584
>Her Majesty's Royal Airlanding Brigadewith Churchills and Universal Carriers, with crowns and roundels

Her Majesty's Royal Airlanding Brigadewith Churchills and Universal Carriers, with crowns and roundels arent causing problems in the modern player base. nazis and neo nazi dogwhistling are. but you already knew that which is why you picked some abstract and hyperspecific whataboutism to try to sidestep it and indirectly justify it.

>>95969640
How are nazis causing problems in the modern playerbase?

>>95969640
nazis aren't real

>>95969489
>There's an awesome lore blurb about this in the 3rd ed Marine codex, find a scan.
i have one sitting next to me for that anon. last page

>>95969640
Only reason you're so asspained over nazis but not anything else is because you're hardwired to get angry at anything concerning the chosen people. I literally live in a country that was pretty much flattened by the nazis but I couldn't give less of a fuck if some dumbass on the internet puts SS decals on his toy tanks. Is it cringe? Yes. Am I going to sperg out about it every single time he posts like some of you faggots did? Fuck no

>>95969584
>At what point does the historical inspiration turn from ok to cringe?
When it makes me cringe.

>>95969691
you have to go back to readit sir

>>95969697
decalmutant is a literal redditor but (you) tried

>>95969691
Fair. Does running a bunch of Brodie helmet wearing, SMLE wielding, Cromwell chasing lads from Hammersmith make you cringe?
Apparently they have a regiment based on great war ANZAC and that seems like a super fun project actually. Might even be able to have them pull double duty in Trench Crusade

I don't like most WE models but I LOVE these ones. is this list at all competitive? or at least fun to play?

Angron (385pts): Samni’arius and Spinegrinder, Warlord
Lord Invocatus (110pts): Bladed horn, Bolt pistol, Coward's Bane
Daemon Prince of Khorne with wings (180pts): Hellforged weapons, Infernal cannon
Daemon Prince of Khorne with wings (180pts): Hellforged weapons, Infernal cannon
Daemon Prince of Khorne with wings (180pts): Hellforged weapons, Infernal cannon
Lord on Juggernaut (115pts): Bladed horn, Exalted chainblade, Plasma pistol, Berzerker Glaive
Lord on Juggernaut (100pts): Bladed horn, Exalted chainblade, Plasma pistol, Battle-lust
Lord on Juggernaut (110pts): Bladed horn, Exalted chainblade, Plasma pistol, Helm of Brazen Ire

10x Khorne Berzerkers (180pts)

Forgefiend (150pts): 3x Ectoplasma cannon, Forgefiend claws
Forgefiend (150pts): 3x Ectoplasma cannon, Forgefiend claws
Forgefiend (150pts): 3x Ectoplasma cannon, Forgefiend claws

>>95969699
Wouldn't they ban him over there?
I mean, they called orange man a gnatzee for a decade but now he's in Israel's pocket and they hate kikes now so o maybe the pendulum is swinging and reddit is a neo-nazi haven and 4chan is getting flooded with tankie refugees or something idk.
I don't know who's trolling who anymore.
The guy's tanks are ugly as shit btw, I think that's the core issue, and I almost think the virtue signaling over the goose stompers of oven dodgers is that fuckin weirdo false flagging. No one is actually stupid enough to get butthurt about the toothbrush mustache owners' club on fucking 4chan, right?

>>95969726
Needs more helbrutes

>>95969730
This place is pretty much a reddit colony at this point. People come to shitpost about things that would get them banned in normie spaces.

>>95969726
that is a metric shit ton of characters
how are you going to play objectives?

>>95969700
>Brodie helmet wearing, SMLE wielding, Cromwell chasing lads from hammersmith
Nta but I can't even begin to decipher this, but if I had to guess I'd says yes it's cringe

>>95969734
>helbrutes
it's so...fleshy

>>95969744
uhhh something something secondaries

>>95969726
Have you considered 2000pts of Jakhals

>>95969700
How do you plan on making them? There's plenty of Guard stuff that's just historicals in space, but they're still in space. If you just buy historical minis and use them as is, it's pretty cringe.

i'm going to try and finish my army this week

>>95969726
Silly.

The way to play 2000 points of Khorne is:
3 Land Raiders
3 Forgefiend with Autocannons, Maw
3 Defilers with Reaper, Scourges
Rapid firing:
>60 Hades Shots
>18+3D6 Defiler Cannon Shots
>24 Reaper Autocannon Shots
>24 Lascannon Shots
>15 Heavy Bolter Shots(TL)
>36 Combi Bolter Shots

>>95969730
They did. He told us very proudly that they banned him 8 accounts and he kept ban evading exactly the same way he does here

>>95969730
>Wouldn't they ban him over there?
yes, and he's so desperate to post there still he's made 8 new accounts to evade bans

>>95969753
>>95969757
how can an army have such awesome and such shit models at the same time

>>95969750
you're not getting any secondaries with that
seems like your whole plan revolves around trying to spook the opponent with angron, but he's just going to die and the rest of your stuff is going to get bullied by MSU style armies

>>95969756
No you won't

>>95969741
Fair. Never thought I'd see the day when 4chan got gentrified but here we are.
>>95969746
picrel
I've heard mixed things about new bolt action

>>95969763
It's almost like people enjoy different things and having a variety of things means more people get to enjoy it

>>95969755
So ye, make up markings and give em lasguns.

>>95969772
Yep it's cringe

>>95969741
>People come to shitpost about things that would get them banned in normie spaces.
Yeah, unlike before...

>unironic "be a hecking decent person" kerfuffles over le evil moustache man
This site is fucking dead.

>>95969771
i'm going to try my best (:

>>95969785
you started browsing in 2016

>>95969787
NTA but I've been here since I think 2008 and I sure as fuck can't remember anyone getting asspained over le heckin nazis back in the day

>>95969785
You have no miniatures

>>95969779
If you want space Bri'ish, just get pic related and put lasgun muzzles on the guns. You're like 90% there already. Tanks I wouldn't worry about, since Leman Russes already are pretty much squished British tanks from WW1. Maybe use the 30k versions for the extra rivets if you want a proper old timey look. Or Malcadors, since they're just long Russes.

>>95969782
Based
Brits are my favorite faction to play in Company of Heroes, and since I like Warhammer so much after playing Dawn of War, I wonder if I'll like a game like Battlegroup after playing CoH

>>95969755
It'd be cool to see GW do more stuff like this.

>>95969807
All the historical nerds that started GW are dead. People there now grew up on WoW and Halo.

What do you guys use to add snow to bases? I really don't like dirt as cheap and easy as this is, going to scrape it off.

>>95969817
AK interactive snow sprinkles is my favorite for a wet looking snow

>>95969795
it started with normies getting into DnD and magic, then GW released a game exactly for them and now they've been trying to change 40k for a few years
hobbies also had an issue where "everything I don't like is a nazi" so the imperium of man, imperial guard, black templars are all evil bad and if you play them you are probably a horribly evil person, too
chaos is fine because ????, necrons are quirky robits, tau are heckin good guys, sisters get a pass because slaaaaaay queeeeeen, and orkz are meme creatures

>>95969799
to be fair, their guns are to flimsy and just dont look good. And they will look even worse with lasgun muzzles.
And if you have lasguns to spare to cut off the muzzles, you are better off by just using said guns and arms completelty on the minis. I've built a kill team from the Bulldog set a while ago, and cadian arms just work nicely with the bodies.

>>95969817
i have pic rel its always consistent, you should paint the bases white and do a light blue wash over whatever snow you choose
should match nicely with your golden gals

>>95969830
Of course it's simply the minimum effort idea. Muzzles you can simply make from small diameters plastic tube, just cut it at an angle and slide over the rifle muzzle, for example. I used some of the Grogs with Vostroyan heads and Skitarii arms to make something in the style of old 30k Army, but with M2 carbine style autoguns, rather than lasrifles.

Imperial agents expansion is coming...
I can feel it...
>TQ
Mix of japanese jazz that I have on my apartment's music system at almost all times when im working on something
>>95969409
I had a friend with fucking soccer marines and I thought it was based as fuck. He even made homebrew lore about them being actual space soccer players.
A brazilian friend told me I should paint Arbites like their local elite law enforcement/cops and to be honest they look pretty much exactly alike. Even got a skull with guns on it as a symbol. Didn't because im not carrying political leverage for foreigners but fair

>>95969741
This site was made because people wanted to post stuff that something awful would ban them for, newfag

>>95969785
To be honest no one hates the decalslopper for that specifically, but how fucking obnoxious he is about it and how he's literally a redditor.

>>95969864
No it wasn't you fucking tourist lmao

>>95969726
Khorne heavy Daemons is way better than this. A Daemons army with 3x Bloodthirsters and such would be way better.

>>95969571
Im not the one telling other people what they can and cant do because it hurts my feelings.

>>95969848
See the radio operator at the far left, you can see the width of the rifle. Its just too thin in my opinion. If price is an issue, and cadian bits are out of the equation, maybe the death fields upgrade sprue or the cannon fodder sets are better sources of sci-fi looking guns.

Is slapchop a meme?

>>95969811
Sad but true. But stuff like Halo and WoW are cool too but for different reasons.
It'd be cool to see both mixed.

>>95969890
It's a speedpainting technique basically. Makes your stuff acceptable for tabletop but the closer you look the worse it gets.

I will now be abandoning warhammer 40k for my newfound hobby of betting on horses. Goodbye, /40kg/.

>>95969890
It's a fine way to speedpaint a force but it isn't the be-all end-all

>>95969895
Never stop gambling son

>>95969890
As a solution for painting the whole miniature? Yeah. But sketching values in contrasting colours and glazing over top isn't.

>>95969890
it's a way to get paint on a model
my problem with it is that it's been heavily pandered to new people, and if you do it your skill as a painter will never grow
it's also very spotty, the rough zenithal bugs me a lot
occasionally when I pick up a motm I give it another try to see if maybe it will look good this time around and it never does
there's better speed painting techniques which will build up a good set of skills for painting imho

>>95969895
Next horse is a big winner I can feel it

>>95969890
for the most part, because people think they can apply it to everything and solve their problems, while its best use is circumstantial

>>95969894
nta but I plan on doing this for my tyranids when I get them:

1, Airbrush dark grey.
2, Airbrush white highlights.
3, Speedpaint main color
4, Use metallic paint on their eyes
5, Paint thinner shade capillary effect the edges
6, Layer glue on base and shake crushed pepper across it. Paint when dry.
7, Seal the base, because I plan on painting the rest of the model later.
(Do this for 200 models for table quality games)

This sounds kinda quick, yeah?

>>95969880
Solar Auxilia have pretty thin rifles too.

>>95969908
> it is that it's been heavily pandered to new people
This is sloptubers fault because slapchopped minis look fairly good in thumbnails. So they swamped the platform with low effort content to reel in newbies and paintlets for those heckin views

>>95969920
some people will hate to hear this but for monstrous creatures, things like air brushing and drybrushing work fucking wonders for all the same reason those two things are great for doing bases
the trick to drybrushing is to have a damp sponge or towel on hand when you get your drybrush to the proper level just touch the sponge to reactivate so it doesn't leave behind dry residue

>>95969785
The problem isn't the gay nazi decals it's that he's fucking annoying about it and gives a different answer every time as to why he does it. Half the time he's pretending he doesn't know what you're talking about and the other half of the time he's telling you that he did it on purpose and that you shouldn't care. Not to mention blowing up threads with 400+ posts of shitstirring.

>>95969936
Remember when he ruined 3 threads in a row with 400 posts calling everyone a tranny

>>95969924
another thing a lot of youtubers don't mention when they use contrasts is that they are always using lahmian medium, I think only Duncan, Eon, and another painter who I can't remember will ever show/talk about using this when they apply contrasts, it helps to even them out and get a smoother application so you don't end up with tea staining and pooling

>>95969924
I think that the way trends work on social media these days is also to blame. If you searched value sketching or undercoating miniatures before it would bring up all sorts of random stuff, and you'd have to dig to find it. The second you give something a short and memorable name it's going to spread like crazy on social media because it brings up so many similar results because there was no search results for slapchop and painting before. Like Brangelina. I know shit all about Brad Pitt or Angelina Jolie and don't care to but for some reason I know about their marriage and not like John Blnaches wife even though I care more about blanche as a whole. It's the name.

>>95969951
Yep. Remember when he tried to race the dcslopper and posted his thread on /vt/ lmao

Anyone read the Inqusition Wars books? The Emperors a schizo in them

>>95969357
Both of these schemes kinda suck and feels like babbys first snowflake marine schemes
The left one is overly busy with way too many colors and clashing and doesn't follow any established standards, and orange never looks good on armor
The right one is just red and black like every preteen's first marines

>Mate goes to a 40k tourney at LGS
>Has a fun first few games
>Get to a game vs a marine player
>Total WAACfag, like even by tourney standards
>Shooting phase
>"Yeah my land raider can shoot through my impulsor because the impulsor can fly up and get out of the way"
>mfw
TO was good enough to tell the player to cut that shit out but man my friend did not deserve that bullshit.

>>95969966
pretty sure nearly everything Ian Watson wrote is non-canon at this point, but the highlight reel is some wild shit:
imperial fist poop vault
buff men in jack boots
naked buff men
naked buff men asses
vore
genestealer pussy
gussy if you will
noise marine tentacle dongs
noise marine penis dog
rape
snuff

>>95969980
silly anon you can't criticise that guy here, the thread police is on its way as we speak

>>95970005
Samefag less

>>95969993
I guess Ill stop reading at the first book

>>95970022
nah, you should definitely read everything Ian Watson wrote for 40k because it's hilarious

>>95969985
He isnt fucking wrong retard it has fly keyword

>>95970060
impulsors do not have the fly keyword

>>95970060
https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k10ed/factions/space-marines/Impulsor
Shut the fuck up nogames.

>>95970060
No it doesn't you retarded cheater

>>95970067
>>95970073
>>95970074
Hurrr durr its on a flight stand and it can fly but the rules say!!!!-

>>95970080
>I'm retarded and justify cheating by being wrong
Again, shut the fuck up nogames.

>>95970080
Trying too hard

>>95970080
it's technically not on a flight stand
it's on a hover disc

>>95970080
>on a flight stand
Wrong again.

>>95969985
You know units don't block LoS right

>>95970096
Enemy units= block los
Friendly units that could reasonably shoot over or around= not block los
I dont care about the actual rules in this case its just intuitive and makes perfect sense. If a tank can float why couldnt it shoot over a ground vehicle.

>>95970096
>>95970102
game uses true line of sight, if the land raider cannot see it, it cannot shoot it

anyone got the new space wolfs codex?

>>95970102
Balance and rules simplicity.

>>95970115
You can probably find it on reddit, if you have a specific question I can probably answer it with my copy

I watched Ultramarines last night. Why do people hate it? I think it was solid especially for a time where we didnt have astartes to think about.
It really nailed the horror aspect, lots of super solid imagery like the imperial fists being disemboweled and pinned against a gate to make the chaos star.
Honestly any moment with a marine aura farming holds up very well and there were moments that showed off the might of a space marine my only critiques are
-armour didnt sound heavy enough
-we needed to see some marine vs humans to really appreciate how strong they are
-I was confused by the initiates having full fledged and ornate armor and not scout armor

>>95969985
Impulsors are hover vehicles and LoS works by having any LoS possible, not from center mass. The Land Raider can see through the gap underneath the Impulsor,

I hope that Sanguinius comes back, but that his wings are replaced by little vanes with wings carved into them.

>>95970147
Sounds like pedantic, rules lawyering bullshit.

>>95970172
That's just how LoS works.

>>95970143
Never watched it fully but from what I've seen and remember that movie looked pretty cheap/amateurish. Stuff like FF: Spirits Within or FF7: Emo Cloud was already out and there were videogames with cutscenes longer and cooler than it.
Amateurish or cheap stuff can't be enjoyed but here's your reason.

This current discussion sounds like it could've been solved with the old "pop up" rule of 2nd edition for skimmer vehicles.

>>95970180
I find clips don't do it justice like the clip everyone's seen of the bolt with "kill the heretic" carved into it killing a berserker looks janky but its 3 seconds in a relentless 3 minute combat scene and its a lot better when surrounded by that.

Im glad I saw it anyway. I can see where astartes got a lot of its vibe. The part where the captain stands on the mountain and looks out at the warp storm hearing voices and takes off his helmet is similar to the marine at the end of astartes

>>95970182
In a realistic sense nothing ever blocks LOS except terrain so it's pretty easy once you accept that it means your leman russ is shooting all its guns from the corner of it's tread through a gap in a landraiders treads.

Do ad mech players in 40k hate themself? I mean looking over at Horus Heresy they have to right? Space Marines player also get all the cool shit in 30k but 30k ad mech is straight up insulting 40k ad mech players

>>95970215
No one is stopping you from using 30k as proxies

>>95970215
30k takes itself to seriously, I like robot cowboys.

Weird question but what would happen to a plague marine or any follower/creation of Nurgle if you were to spray them with soap and water or disinfectant? Are they weakened when their filth is reduced?

>>95970240
no

>>95970240
yes

>>95970143
It's just shit.
Even for the time the CGI was abhorrent, the entire thing looked cheap and nasty
Despite having huge names the voice acting, or at least the mixing and sound design was shit.
Psychic Crozius Heavy flamer
"You there, Ultramarines in artificer Mrk VII armor, this is your first combat engagement ever"
The lore is so bad I'll just stop there, nothing is right

i got a 10 man possessed brick with moe to charge undamaged
holy
shit

>>95970240
I think you are rage bait and being silly but I'll answer because I'm bored.
No, new shit lore implies that their pestilence, grime, abnormal growths and so on are entirely psychic in nature
Plague Marines in one of the shitty Dawn of Fire books just keeled over and died when cut off from the warp

>>95970268
>new
it's not new

>>95970268
To be fair, lots of things die or go down screaming when cut off completely from the warp in the Pariah Nexus. And the more psychic or composed of warpstuff they are the more likely it is.

>>95970276
How to say, yes their contagions and physical mutations are gifts from their patron, but I've never heard of Chaos Space Marines just dropping dead when cut off from the warp before.

>>95970240
You can't disinfect a plauge marine. Every part of them dead or rotting filled with all kinds of diease. There's no healthy parts fighting aganis the infection. Its like saying what would happen if you pumped flesh blood into a corpse would it bring them to life? no it wouldn't, might keeo organs alive but the person doesn't come back

The Ravenspire. Home.

>>95970289
I think this is one of those "do undead die in an anti-magic field" type questions which doesn't necessarily have an intuitive answer, so I can kind of understand his confusion. Different settings answer that in different ways that aren't always internally consistent.

>>95970312
This is some dark eldar shit isn’t it.

Drop Pod rules fucking when?
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>95970312
Little known fact: The Ravenspire was named after a gay bar in Nottingham.

>>95970258
I wonder how the lore got so befuddled because games workshop definitely had decent control with the project. Theres no way an utter outsider would be able to pull those changes.

>>95970317
Worse, goth kids who saw "The Crow" at a formative age

>>95970284
Their bodies sustained themselves through the decay and plague. When the warp powering them left their bodies the disaese and years of rot had them keel over and die

>>95970215
>this shit AGAIN
Out of the entire range there are 2 vehicles, 1 character and 2 units that can be considered goofy/"bad", everything else is very solid with tech-priests, skitarii and sicarians being one of the more interesting sculpts in the entire game. Mechanicum has this grungy industrial feel which I personally don't like at all outside of maybe Thallax.

Why is it so fun to mock NLs?

>>95970284
>but I've never heard of Chaos Space Marines just dropping dead when cut off from the warp before.
when have you heard of the warp getting cut off before?

>>95970335
Because they and their fans are cringe.

We march for MACCRAGE

>>95970344
>We march for MACCRAGE
You have the digits, but I have to disagree. We really don't march for Maccrage, anon. We just don't.

>>95970335
Because they're the personification of teen angst and edginess

>>95970353
well, we certainly don't march for cadia, duh

>CADIA STANDS!
Does it, though?

>>95969017 (OP)
>TQ
I don't listen to music. I listen to podcasts and lore videos. Usually hobby related. My favourite at the moment is by Powerfist on youtube.

>>95970363
>CADIA STANDS!
>Does it, though?
And now that it doesn't. Did it ever really stand?

>>95970353
No cadia left to march for hehe xd

Are SM chud coded?

>>95969103
>I never listen to music on my own. When I paint I listen to audiobooks and historical podcasts

>>95970378
Very.

>>95970354
Isn't that DEldar?

>>95970378
>Are SM chud coded?
Yes. And that's a good thing.

>>95970403
>>95970396
Are SM incels?

Are GW making 30k their main product going forward? I'm sick of hearing about the Snore-us heresy constantly, its so fucking boring and i feel like they never stop talking about it now.

>>95970427
Not the Space wolves

>>95970433
>Are GW making 30k their main product going forward?
No, but it sure feels that way. I'm fucking sick of it too. At least there's a couple of models in the new range that I want to paint.

>>95970438
Honest question why do you keep posting(and avatarfagging) here when you're obviously not welcome? Is this a psychological issue or something? Most people don't enjoy being in a place that treats them like shit

>>95970433
Relax. It's just an edition launch. GW always puts all their marketing attention on the big new thing for a couple months and then it will be right back to 40k again with other stuff peppered between.

>>95970427
Yes.

>>95970447
Havn't been paying attention. Why does this guy posting stuff cause so much vitriol?

>>95970457
Yes I get it but I don't remember the sheer deluge / avalanche amounting to even 50% of this Horus Heresy crap for the new edition 40k or Sigmar

>>95970447
Nta but posting models is avatarfagging now?

>>95970482
If you repost the same image every 2 threads when it's not relevant to the discussion at hand, then yes.

>>95970433
We feel the same about your "Dark Eldar refresh incoming I can feel it" posts

>>95970489
He was answering the question. His space wolves have sex so are not incels. And to prove it, he provided a picture.
You're like a wannabe janny.

>>95970447
carnac your brain is fucked, only you care

>>95970400
DE have a reason to be edgy

>>95970478
Admitted to being a redditor who only comes here because reddit banned him, then melted down and spammed tranny at everyone for like 3 hours, then when mods deleted the spam his modelposts also got deleted.

>>95969448
>1. How long do gene seed implants last for? Are they always taken from dead Astartes? What if they are damaged?
AS long as the Sm is alive they work and yes they are always taken.
>2. How big are Battle Barges? How many Astartes/non-Astartes are on your average one?
They awhere meant to operate in legion times if they did not already. Massive ships for planetary assoults.
>3. What is the average day like for an Astartes in training? What is it like when they graduate?
Training, training, training, reading and learning, bonding with other marines you age calss. Space Marine the book is very nice to read from a imperial fist pov by ian Watson.
>4. How much mutation is allowed in your average Space Marine chapter or in the Imperial Guard? Do they kill anyone that isn't 100% normal or if a guy with a third arm showed up they would allow it since its useful?
Kill the mutant, purge the herteic bla bla bla. No mutation there is nothing useful. Its seen as being mercifully and helping not something bad. if such a mutation happen doing growth time in a SM he used for study anything else is killed/shown the emperors peace. Mutation is associated with chaos there is no taking chances.
>5. Does your average Guardsman see much combat or are most companies just guarding stuff on planets that don't get much action?
The Imperial guard is the offensive part of imperial army. They train on other planets to gain extra qualification or practice with PDF regiments but they are out there fighting.
>6: How quickly does exposion to the warp affect a person? Lets say a person in a space suit is outside of a ship as it travels through the warp, how long until the person is affected?
He wont have any time being affected as he is imidtaly snatched off and gone like a child griped by pedo bear. the warp is demons forming a sea you travel throu. Its pretty much faster then instant. The warp is not somthing you play around and with.

>>95970482
>>95970522
nice try decalfag

>>95970447
>here when you're obviously not welcome?
I say he's welcome, he posts models

>inb4 schizophrenic posting

>>95969179
Like I said yesterday I was thinking of doing the vote later today, saturday. We still don't have that many suggestions so we could wait till moday to do the vote at the same time as the submission deadline if you guys want. I think for next month we should set proper dates from the start to avoid confusion maybe.
Also if you haven't submitted your vehicles yet feel free to do so here.

>>95970393
gottem

>new detachment: drop pod assault
>Every unit must start the game either in a drop pod or in deep strike
>Half the army is forced to drop turn 1
>The other half follows normal deep strike rules
Please.

>>95970557
I nominate doing a character

>>95970543
Those are both me. Im also the guy who asked the original question he responded to. Where do you get off trying to tell anons they arent welcome? You're a pathetic wannabe janny

>>95970571
Where are the CSM Drop pods James ARGH

>>95970571
Or they can make drop pods dedicated transports, and you can make a list that functions the same way.
I just wish we knew what the new rules were for drop pods...

>>95970557
>Pyskyer
>Flying unit
>Close combat unit
>Unit with [insert wound value here]
>Unit over [insert point value here]

>>95970587
Can't wait for loyalists to get plastic 30k Dreadclaws before CSM.

I'm going to submarine at my next tournament, and avoid playing against all of the death guard, tau and Custodes cheddar.

>>95970557
I think it should be KITBASHED character.
It can be any kind of character, but you have to use parts from multiple kits, things on the base and whatnot

>>95970604
Why does everyone hate Custodes?

>>95970610
Tough, armywide 4+ invul (basically), various periods of imbalanced rules, super snowflakes

>>95970610
>Why does everyone hate Custodes?
Have you played against them lately? It's like playing against DG, but a thousand times more boring.

>>95970610
4++ on everything makes every little interaction a coinflip

>>95970617
>>95970616
>>95970615
Are Iron Warriors based?

>>95970625
>Are Iron Warriors based?
If you have to ask, they clearly aren't and never were.

>>95970610
boring to play and play against
powerlevels obsessed fanbase
overly represented amongst newfags and paintlets because the idea of actually painting an actual army for a miniature wargame repels them

>>95970583
Stop pretending to be a supporter of yourself

>>95970625
>akchtchually my iron warriors hate chaos and mutations and all look like unconverted horus heresy models
>lol have you seen this meme about iron warriors and imperial fists? siege!
no

>>95970642
I had to keep a serious/kind face when the (friendly and clean) resident fa/tg/uy at the FLGS explained to me how he played AL with HH models and 0 mutation or mark of chaos.

>>95970651
>>95970642
Maybe they got lucky and didnt get mutated?

My warband will be IW splinter cell that decided magic is fucking cool and want to shove in more daemons into robots, as well as obliterators. If someone's fucking stupid to get possessed they just send him frontline on foot

My IW are generic chaos guys who are evil for the sake of being evil. They just like it.

My chaos warband are IW but they're like really into metal so they ally tons of Noise Marines to keep shredding while they shred.

Your IW are gay

My IW are really gay and practice by putting all kind of fancy toys made of iron within themselves so they can take on even the sturdiest battle brother when it's their turn in the daemonculaba

In the gaunt's ghosts novel necropolis how the fuck did Ferrozoica manage to build an army 5 million strong out of nowhere without anyone noticing?

>>95970571
please remove the 9 inch rule for drop pods make them crash as close as possible to make them useful as a tool and justify the point cost. make them like meteoric decent 3 inches.

>>95970655
Thought you were talking about the fa/tg/uy for a sec

>>95970655
not how it works

>>95970690
>just let me win the game on turn 1 bro!

>>95970625
Every single Iron Warriors player basically just tries to pretend that they've got the lore of loyalist IH because the actual IW are so boring.

>>95970696
>just cry like bitch bro
Who said you win turn one and if they are worse then rhino as transport why the fuck would any one take them?

>>95970625
yes they dont suck demon cock.

>>95970655
they get mutated but they cut that shit off and replace it with bionics.

>>95970363
yes, horizontally

>>95970713
>because the actual IW are so boring.
no, it's because most chaosfags are just bog standard marinefags who want to feel extra special by not being servants of the imperium not actually chaosfags

which is also why the number one feature of custom loyalist chapter is
>you see, they're kind of independent and have their own system and everything!

>>95970739
no, they don't
one dude, at the start of the heresy, did that
it's not the norm for iron warriors after 10.000 years of marinating in chaos jizz

irontards also conveniently want to forget their signature unit are the obliterators

>>95970766
yes they do and they use demons as tools to serve them not the other way around. like pets.

>>95970400
DEldar are comically evil and absolutely abominable in every aspect. Do you think edgy dweebs would gravitate towards Skelethor or the Punisher. NLs even have full blown defenders claiming they never did anything wrong or were victims of trauma, which well Ferrus Manus, Leeman Russ and Jaghatai Khan all came from shitty backgrounds yet none of them became murder hobos. It was Kurze being a absolute dweeb and going out of his way to make his schizophrenic delusions true that the NLs ended up the way they are. It's edgy because they can be reedemable while the DEldar in their majority are seen as irredemable and horribly super duper evil, not in lore but just the general way the community views them.
Also skin flaying is not edgy at all for 40k and is in fact incredibly common amongst at least half the factions in the game.
To add on top of that: Anything Khorne related I have ever seen made really gives off those roider gymfag post-cuck "I will make them all pay" vibes to it. Never found Khorne particularly appealing and he has by far the most boring looking demons.

>>95970772
wrong

>>95970786
While I agree with your general assessment, DEldar also try to justify their esgy actions with a shitty background due to the soul thirst.

>>95970750
>which is also why the number one feature of custom loyalist chapter is
>you see, they're kind of independent and have their own system and everything
No it isn't

>>95970772
Yeah yeah, just how Abaddon is playing a 200 IQ chess game and he's only using chaos gods to further his own goals. Your marines but with spikes are just as special as regular marines, we get it.

>>95970788
im right

>>95970805
Yes they re the pragmatically marines, the real ultramarines of chaos. The cool guys and all your shit demon cock sucking legionnaires are just a side show.

>>95970790
The Craftworlders also feel the soul drain. However they stay healthy and over come it by through sheer autism through the path system.

>>95970805
Careful with that, you'll trigger Carnac with that.

can't wait for the cope and denial when they release Perty and like all other chaos cocksuckers he's a daemon primarch

>>95970831
He's been a demon prince longer than you've been alive. The seethe will come if they make him a prince of a specific god

I don't know which one to pick, I genuinely like both.

>>95970853
Why would you want that without the dozer blade? are you gay?

>>95970837
he's the prince of vashtorr
lorgar should be the prince of true undivided

>>95969671
Hey anon, if you're still around, can you post a pic of the page with the lore about the Apothecary and various other members of the chapter reporting on the progress of implants and stuff like that?

>>95970821
but do they stay healthy? I dont think so. They slowly die something any eldar cant comprehend as they are near immortals. The soul drain is there weakness and they are ill as are the dark eldar but each of them have there own coping mechanisms. Eldar have the matrix dark eldar patch them self up with souls of others and some cloning.

You think in black and white in good and evlie but this is not appling to any race in 40k not even in RL.

as from the pov of any one its not murder they comit but prestcontrol as is the imperium doing. they are not human and are not bound by human morals nor do those applie.

flaying human or any other race is like eating a cow or pig. From the humans POV it might be cruel but from the any other races POV its nothing. You need to widen your horizon.

>>95970872
>but do they stay healthy?
Yes, because the soul drain doesn't affect them if they practice mindfulness, it does only if they're prey to passion and emotions

>>95970831
>Perty comes back
>His bitch ass has had 10k years to cope and seethe.
>Galaxy drowns in tears.

>>95970858
I just think there's also charm to the super reinforced opening for the big fuckoff cannon.
But the dozer blade is so iconic.

>>95970888
I think you want a vindicator and a rapier then

>>95970790
It's not something you hear out of DEldar fans constantly though. Im more focusing towards the people who like/play the NLs/DEldar than the factions themselves. A lot of their appeal does come from being comically evil and the whole sneaky behind the scenes kabal shit. While yes they can be justifiable the writers focus way less on their aspect of being rejects from conventional Aeldari society when compared to the way the NLs are written with a heavy focus on how buck breaking Nostramu was or how much their primarch and other legions treated them like shit.
"We want revenge on a galaxy that hates us" agains't "we want the galaxy to hate us as it's the only way we can live" are 2 very different things. But again I haven't read a lot of DEldar fiction and their fans being less obnoxious may very well be a result of just having a smaller fanbase as opposed to anything more nuanced.

>>95970906
How are rapiers in 40k?

>>95970914
In fact, I would go even as far as to argue the Drukhari are more redeemable than the Night Lords from a moral basis

>>95970877
all living things are, exodites and young eldar leaving the world ships. each time they have sex and or do art or craftmanship. All that live feels. Even in the slightest. Each time a eldar dies and his souls tone is destroyed and so on. They are not necrons they are not dead.

>>95970914
>how buck breaking Nostramu
It wasn't even that bad. Konrad and his dudes were just melodramatic and whiny.

>>95970589
>you can make a list that functions the same way.
You can only put half your army in reserves so you wouldn't be able to do a full deepstrike army.

>>95970925
So why do people say new 40k art is bad when we get stuff like this or the AdMech cover?

>>95970934
also one of the things that set SM army's apart in the past, they where the army that could.

Fuck new editions killing al uniqueness of army's and making them all the same.

IG is the same as are SM as are sisters as are chaos as are tyranids and so on....

>>95970938
beauty is in eye of the beholder its not universal.

You might get off fat migged cripples but mental sane people like something else.

>>95970938
"Modern 40k art is bad" is a notion that gained prominence during 8th when there was a rule at GW that art had to show only/mostly things that had miniatures and couldn't deviate from them. This is why all admech art from that era has the same fucking dominus and the same skitarius ranger with a maul.
Nowadays this restriction is thankfully gone. Also, Lewis Jones, an excellent illustrator, was given a lot of prominent pieces. Pretty much all recent memorable images (admech codex cover, all the different demon engine illustrations, world eater codex cover) were made by him.

>carnac pretends someone else is the problem

>>95970925
God I wish the Iron Hands got even a fraction of the love that the more divergent chapters get. Dead Primarch from the start of the Horus Heresy killed them in the crib before they could ever develop a bigger fanbase.

>>95970963
believe in the stronos mini drop

>>95970963
They'll have to make do with a council of super secret cyborg zombies. Lamest 1st founding chapter.

>>95970938
This is the one good new artist. He's singlehandedly holding the success of modern 40k art on his shoulders like Atlas.

>>95970956
That started in 7th and also when deviantart artists were approached for art. If you look closely enough you can find one artist who copy pasted Tau battlesuits and fire warriors in his art. Dark times indeed!

Finally managed to play a game the other day and I need to know, how so you guys deal with LoS? The maps are so restrictive weapon ranges beyond 24" don't matter as there's multiple LoS blockers between everything. Also probably a skill issue but I couldn't get LoS with anything without leaving it in the open for my opponent to kill it instantly in their turn.

>>95970557
>Also if you haven't submitted your vehicles yet feel free to do so here.
late job but here is my entry
>We still don't have that many suggestions
How about a mounted unit? Either a squad or character

>>95970925
VGH

>>95970986
There are always a handful of firing lines where you can use your 36 and 48-in weapons to threaten a couple of objectives at the same time or screen your backfield while threatening no man's land. But the more restricted line of sight makes it possible for fragile and melee focused armies to even play without getting wiped off the board from massive firing lines. Try playing a game with minimal terrain one time and see if you like the way it feels and you will understand why terrain rules are the way they are.

>>95969203
could always slide an inquisitor in there

>>95970975
There's been a lot of great artists since 9th. Miguel Iglesias, Igor Sid...

>>95971004
Post examples of their work, because nothing has stood out to me but Lewis Jones.

>>95970988
Ahh, the soul filter.

>>95970988
Did you add a grain filter? It would have been enough to just do the black and white.

>>95970928
>each time they have sex and or do art or craftmanship.
not when they do so with mindfulness, that's the way of the paths, and it works

regardless of your copes about it

>>95971007
Igor Sid

>>95971007
Miguel Iglesias

>>95971021
Eldar sure do get tilted easily for how much they try to suppress their emotions.

>>95970998
I get that but how do I actually reach those fire lines without spending two turns running? That game every time I got into position I couldn't fire that turn only for my opponent to move and shoot me dead in theirs.

>>95971036
This shit is weak, he looks like he's that "super thin boltguns" space marine cover artist.

>>95971042
This is pretty good, not Lewis Jones or Old Greats level but still good, but I haven't seen anything like it in the codexes, where was this, Imperial Agents?

>new Drop Pods are Made in China™ terrain plastic

Interesting that they felt the need to do this.

>>95970853
If youre planning on playing them dont get either, extremely thin chance the Vindicator doesn't get put into legends next edition.

>>95971048
You stage aggressively. You push up through terrain. You send infiltrators and scouts forward to give early pressure. You use transports to deploy to the front lines quicker. You bring in reinforcements with deepstrike or rapid ingress. You place some more durable bait on a point to earn primary or sticky the objective to draw the opponent out into your firing range.

All the things that make it tactically difficult for you to focus fire down enemies work in your favor and against your opponent as well. You can maneuver around and create chole points within the terrain or move block to try to set up a solid lone of defense. There's a lot of interplay just in how you choose to move and not just in how you choose to shoot. Once you look at the movement and positioning of your army as a battle for ground even before you get to the dice rolls you'll see the complexity of options you have to interact with your opponent with.

>>95971061
Yeah it looks so similar I'm actually baffled as to why they invested money for new molds. At least they didn't ruin the design or anything, but like... why even bother updating at that point? The fucking Land Raider model is still being sold and it's like 24 years old.

>>95971084
You think they're not going to try to sell a you a new land raider eventually?

>>95971021
the only cope is coming from you here as you try to make them automatons without flaw. They are not. Many craft words fall and have fallen some slow some faster.

>>95970963
lore writers don't like them
>they replenish even slower than usual since high lords autism
>they'd rather do cawl-obedient primaris slop than explore IH-Mech relation
>the book writers are rather ambivalent about them
The designers and mould makers aren't favorable either
>either needs it's own sculpt and mould
>or upgrade sprew in age of monopose and melding together as many parts as possible for "ease of build" so kitbashing is more annoying than ever
you could have them as first founding that was completely wiped and vast majority of people wouldn't feel a smidge of difference

>>95971084
Drop pods were popular for lore purposes but the actual models were complete fucking cancer to build and paint without subassemblies, which casuals don't do.

>>95971054
>he looks like he's that "super thin boltguns" space marine cover artist.
The funny thing about this meme is that nobody seems to know the name of that artist and that several different people have been accused of being that guy.

>>95971089
>as you try to make them automatons without flaw.
I didn't say that at all, I say they have an effective method for staving off slaanesh's influence on their souls and have been doing that for 10k years, when craftworlds fall is due to invading forces.
individuals that fail at the path simply find another way to live, as a corsair or an outcast or go to commorragh etc.

What harlequin units are good/fun right now, I'm thinking of getting some to join my Dark Eldar

>>95971061
I just wish they would give us the fucking rules. But in true GW fashion, they are secretive and ghey.

>>95971119
>What harlequin units

they've only got like 3 units lol how is that even a question?

>>95971048
You need to have some guys go onto objectives/do actions to force your opponent to get out of position to blast them.

>>95971119
>What harlequin units are good/fun right now, I'm thinking of getting some to join my Dark Eldar
I want everyone to pay attention to this question. This is the average elf player. So brilliant that choices in the single digits are beyond them.

>>95971084
Probably the molds were getting end of life.
The falcon chassis is 27 now and the kit is cancer because of it, mold lines and really bad slip everywhere

I started to work on my Dark Vengeance loot and realised Marines were using 25mm bases back then. Should I bother with rebasing all Tacs, Turniel and Balthasar to 32mm bases or go full retro and assemble the minis with provided bases?

>>95971119
Troupe Master with a Troupe is the mainstay of Reaper's lists right now. The main army doesn't have good dev wounds and struggles into monsters die to poison and haywire not working on them, so sustained hits Troupes fill a gap in the army.
Some like Shadowseer with the Enhancement but it's not as popular.
Starweavers are used as needed for transporting smaller Troupes. Skyweavers are actually quite good for a fast anti-vehicle threat but they compete with the cheaper Reaver and better Scourges in the main army.
Death Jester can be cute for a lone OP but doesn't do anything.
Voidweavers are overcosted and not used too much.
Solitaire is also too overcosted for a worse Lelith.

>>95971149
>go full retro
Yes, and don't forget your goblin green base rim.

>>95971151
thanks anon

>>95971149
full retro would be to put the terminators on 25mm bases too, but that's clearly not possible unless you want to use one 25mm base per foot

base them how you do for the rest of your army and be done with it

>>95971067
Wait really?

>>95971190
NTA
It's unlikely and very hard to say, but GW is moving in the line of consolidating the Space Marines range. Or at least keeping it from bloating too much further since they're going to add another dozen units at the start of every expedition anyway.

I'm going insane
does anyone know a store with good proxies for dark lances. I don't even need them to be official I just want to buy 90 fake dark lances and 90 fake haywire blasters and never worry about anything again

>>95971081
Are transports kinda must take for infantry then? Or at least to use strategic reserves? I use stuff like hellblasters, devastators and infernus which seem pretty useless without that. Same with intercessors/tacticals if they aren't just sitting on the home objective wirhout doing anything.

>>95971084
Releasing a drop pod spam detachment seems like a no brainer to sell as many as possbl and I'd take the bait. Just wish they made plastic dreadnought drop pods too.

>>95971212
Transports are cheap enough, fast enough, and durable enough in this edition that you're really doing yourself a disservice not to have at least one. You can use them to throw a troop up to the front line quickly, piggyback jump another troop into them to protect and deploy next turn, go drive it up to move-block the enemy and create a choke point, or just fuck off to the side of the board afterwards to perform actions and screen out enemy reserves with it after it gets your important stuff where it needs to go.

>>95971139
So I should bring more cheap troops for that? We're starting with 1k points and I only have a single tactical squad. I split it in two, one half to sit on the home objective, one half to push... But the midboard half got deleted first turn despite being inside a ruin.

>>95971227
Mmmm i'll take a look but 200 points for a tactical squad+ drop pod/rhino seems steep. In my head I always take two troops by force of habit from the old foc but maybe just one would be good?

>>95971231
post list

>>95971231
Yeah it's hard to have a list that does everything at 1K. Which is why a lot of people say the game is only really properly balanced for 2K.

But you actually have a couple of options to force people out on to midpoints. You can throw a weak sacrificial unit but that could just get shot off. Works well against bigot stuff with low volume of fire though. You can put a sticky objective on it in which case they have to physically move something out there. Or if you can afford it, you can put a big durable brawler unit that they have to commit something heavier to remove. Even if they don't come all the way out to the midfield to actually fight you, they generally have to leave their big tanks or whatever they shot with exposed so that you can then move to flank them and fire on them while leaving few firing lines back at yourself. You get into a game of trading and trying to minimalize enemy sight lines back to you while forcing them to give you better ones and having longer range weapons gives you better ways to exploit this.

>>95971231
What's your list?
The ideal and perfect start for any Marine army is just Scouts since they're cheap, expendible, and can do a lot of actions.

>>95971239
It was vulkan he'stan + 10 infernus inside a land raider redeemer, one tactical with melta and missile launcher, one assault squad and one vindicator. I know I put way too many points into the flamer clown car but still the game was decently close despite forgetting Oath until turn 4.

>>95971267
I'm gonna be real you can just drop Tact squad for 2 scouts and you should win every game

>>95971264
I don't really like scouts or any of the vanguard units, they don't fit the style of my chapter so I avoid taking them. Next phase of the campaign is 1500 points so I was considering adding another tactical squad with a drop pod, a terminator squad, a whirlwind and replacing vulkan for a terminator captain. Other units I have that I could add are 4 dreadnoughts, 10 assault intercessors, 2 more drop pods, 2 desthstorm drop pods and a bunch of devastators with different weapons.

>>95971288
Unironically get Centurions

>>95971288
if you want to win 40k you have to have scoring units, you can't just run a bunch of heavy weapons and think you'll win.
Try some, Jump Pack Intercessors or Veterans, maybe?

>>95971366
If you kill your enemies, they win

>>95971371
Yes, actually. You can lose 90% of your army but end up winning because you spend units to deny primary and did your secondaries every round. You might have 1 chaos cultist left at the end of the game but VP is what matters

>>95971366
I have 5 jump intercessors at 1k alresdy, did I forget to write them? I can bump them to 10 I still have the other 5 in sprue. I was waiting for the melee weapons sprue to arrive so I can build one with the eviscerator just for cool factor.

>>95971299
Meh I don't really dig the models. I might proxy them with saturnines at some point.

>>95970571
My infiltrators clog the board leaving nowhere to arrive from reserves.

>>95971084
Mould is probably on its way out. Most people only buy 1 or two land raiders for their armies but I've never seen someone buy only one or two drop pod. I think the mould probably saw a lot of use and is starting to round off

>>95971377
Which is yet another reason 10th edition sucks shit. No one ever asked for this but tourneyfaggots.

>>95971093
>sprew
Found the tourist

>>95971400
Would that even be possible nowadays? You'd be guaranteed to go first and a full pod army would be like having your entire army be infiltrators which don't need to come from the edge so unless you can block the entire board out of space the pods will still deploy.

>>95971400
i fucking love this photo
even if you don't know anything about 40k or wargaming you know exactly what's happening

>>95971410
no you can't deploy in the enemy's deployment zone and you have to be 9" away from his deployment edge

>>95971377
>>95971405
Don't the core rules say you Auto-lose if you get completely tabled? Did that get changed in the tournament rules?

>>95971400
SOVL

>>95971421
Soulless

>>95970867
good morning.

>>95971425
Yes, the game goes on until 5 rounds even if one player was tabled

If space marines hypothetically get a huge legends wave before 11e which units are in the biggest danger of having that happen?
I'd say Centurions but I can see them getting a revamp in a starter box or something similar

>>95971405
>IT SHOULD ALL BE ABOUT KILLING NO STRATEGY EVER
Are you genuinely retarded or something

>>95971400

>>95971434
You're a gentleman and a scholar for this, thank you, here's a cool pic I have lying around

>>95971439
Basically the rest of the firstborn units and anything with a resin upgrade kit. Maybe a few of the smaller characters too but they've already cut most of the chaff. I could see them do something like combine some of the datasheets for dual build kits back into one unit with wargear options.

>>95971410
>>95971421
Death Guard's poxwalker detachment could do it without even trying. But anyone with enough infiltrators could do it. It really doesn't take much when you spread out to the full 2" coherency. Especially if the drop pods still have to obey the "outside of 9 inches" rule given that they're a fairly large footprint.

But since we're theorycrafting with an inherently stupid detachment, I just have my own Drop Pod Assault army and if I go first I deep strike in to block out the whole board.

>>95971447
Killing them all takes strategy. And no one said there shouldn't be other objectives, just that you shouldn't still win the game if you get wiped off the board. It doesn't matter if you achieved the objective to stand on top of a hill if all your guys died and they retake the hill the moment the battle is over.

>>95971439
Tac squad
Dev squad
Preds
Vindi
razorback
ven dread
centuarions (both)
whirlwind

>>95971439
Castaferrum Dreads

Rhino chassis is too ubiquitous in too many armies for them to retire, though there MIGHT be a rhino refresh.
Drop Pod changes and a bunch of firstborn units being embiggened like SGV/Terminators makes it quite likely that some of the firstborn units will just get a scale up. My hot take is that the only unit we lose is the old Dread chassis, Rhino gets a refresh (that GW spins as Look! Chaos gets an update! Sisters get an update!) and at some point shrimplified loadout Tacts/Devs drop.

What we might lose, though, is the Whirlwind because GW hates indirect.

>>95971480
Sisters have a different rhino chassis that's more stylized with their church iconography, it's not going to change for them, and it's already a new kit.

>>95971458
>Basically the rest of the firstborn units
What would those even be at this point? Assault squads, drop pods, sternguard, scouts and terminators basically got a 1:1 upgrade (loss of special weapons for assaults, which could come back like the eviscerator for death company, and sniper scouts aside). Assault terminators and vanguard veterans will also get a 1:1 update too. Do you count the tanks? Those don't need to be replaced (as a unit, the kit might get an update) as all of them fill different niches. That leaves only tacticals and devastators. Tacticals I'm of the copium opinion that they'll just replace intercessors with a pseudo tactical squad, like they've done for space wolves, templares and Emperor's children. Devastators still have their own niche and they could get a mostly 1:1 update like assault squads got. Probably limiting them to 5 man squads like havocs or SoB heavy weapons whose name escapes me now.

>>95971480
Rhino refresh makes sense because they have twelve different armies that would buy the damn kit again for one new weapon option or a new upgrade kit included in box.

>>95971466
>yeah of course wiping out your army takes strategy. anyway since we're playing on this table with no walls I'm going to fire at your entire army

>>95971466
That's not what the wargame is though. Each game represents a pivotal moment in a battle. The Imperial Guard might be wiped to a man but if they managed to burn and destroy the defensible positions that Chaos was going to use as a staging ground, assassinated a few leaders,inflicted heavy losses and banished a greater daemon, the guardsmen have 'won' despite being wiped out. They've done their duty and the rest of the battle will win knowing their sacrifice

>>95971480
>My hot take is that the only unit we lose is the old Dread chassis
My molten crust of the earth take is that this is fucking stupid. Boxnaughts are a completely different weight class to the redemptor chassis stuff and there's no reason for one to replace the other just like broadsides aren't replaced by the bigger tau suits. Hell, their current rules would be good enough (if they changed their retarded re-roll aura for the mortis rule from legends) if they costed like 80 points instead of 135 like a ballistus.

>>95971503
You'd have a point if most games weren't won by standing on circles and VP were granted only for killing important enemy units and destroying fortifications and shit like that.

>>95971499
It's also very good PR.
They can spin it as "RHINOS AND TACTS ARE BACK, GW LISTENED???" and force so many armies to rebuy their rhinos, add in a year or so of refreshed Tacts having busted rules to get people to rebuy them and... well...

>>95971499
sorry James, I already have 5 rhinos for my CSM and won't be buying any if you refresh them

>>95971492
>vanguard veterans will also get a 1:1 update
source?

>>95971499
A rhino would still be great for primaris. Impulsors have half their transport capacity and are meant for small melee units. Rhinos would still keep the niche of the cheap transport for 10 man shooty units, or a less efficient transport for melee units that can carry more bodies.

>>95971508
I agree. I wish GW actually went all in on the smaller Dreads and just made them 100pts but at a much lower Toughness value. Space Marines are kind of missing a T8/t9 combat vehicle

>>95971514
Cool. Make sure you buy a base for them to fit the new rhino dimensions.

>>95971513
>>95971499
Everyone acting like Horus Heresy didn't already refresh the Rhino, Predator, Tactical Marines etc.

The entire Firstborn range has been redone already except for Castaferrums and Mk 7 armour.

>>95971508
tau aren't marines
dreadnoughts aren't broadsides
primaris and their stuff are a replacement

>>95971512
This is what baffles me the most because literally every single objective in the game comes with a fluff reason as to why it's being done and retards like you go "HURR??? STANDING IN CIRCLES???"

>>95971530
Except the question is less about what models they're going to make for 40K and more about what rules they're going to purge from 40K even if they have models that exist elsewhere.

>>95971534
Some of those fluff reasons are contrived retarded bullshit by nu-designers who don't know shit about warfare. Go back and read mission objectives from 3rd and 4th edition and see the difference.

>>95971524
You really don't. Chaos dreads don't get taken unless they have a gimmicky datasheet ability like in CSM or WE because they die to a stiff breeze. The smaller DG daemon engines get taken because they have an invul and are cheap points wise so you can flood the board with them.

>>95971537
Sure but the two posts I responded to were specifically talking about models.

>>95971524
Hell they could even add dreadnought talons from 30k to push sales if they want, like broadsides. A unit of 3 dreadnoughts for, IDK, 250 points sounds good enough. Especially if they mixed the basic and mortis datasheets witha new kit that includes all the weapons.

>>95971489
>Sisters have a different rhino chassis
no, they don't, it's new bits slapped onto the old rhino chassis

>>95971512
Many of the secondary objectives are about killing specific stuff though?
>>95971530
If GW had the same vision as they had in 9th then I'd agree, but since 10th they've completely decoupled both ranges so having new kits for those in 30k doesn't mean anything for their continued rules support in 40k. If we want those units to keep existing in 40k they'll need a new 40k specific kit. It's retarded, but it's what they are doing for now. I'm personally already buying the 30k kits anwyays.

>>95971560
IMO both rhinos and land raiders will just get a retool of the current kit to make it fit better and be more sprue efficient, like they did with Leman Russes and some Eldar vehicles like a decade ago. That way all the upgrade frames would still be compatible.

imagine...
gapless rhino chassis...

>>95971566
>all the upgrade frames
what upgrade frames? only the sisters of battle one is meant to last, all the marinelet uses of the rhino chassis are to get scrapped, even chaos is eventually removing them all for more demon engines

>>95971577
>even chaos is eventually removing them all for more demon engines
I'm not even gonna entertain this shit.

>>95971570
The deimos plastics are a breeze to put together.

>>95970447
Why do you want to make a forever enemy outta me, I called you a Tranny a few times so what? Are you really that sensitive or is this just a fun troll job for
You?

The thread schizo is the guy in the middle

>>95971581
you don't have to, it will be entertaining all on its own when it happens

>>95971600
was this about helldivers?

>>95971622
I took it from reddit Grimdank

>>95971508
Fuck off, first bin shit has no place.

>>95971600
I'm the guy on the right!

>>95971594
>everyone who calls me out for acting retarded is the same person
Classic

I know this is a weird thing to ask but I was making a list and was short of 45 points so I looked at what I could add for that outside of enhancements and I found tarantula sentry batteries are 45 points (in new recruit) but it doesn't say how many models are in the unit. When I look at the unit in Wahapedia it says it's 30 points per model (to a max of 3) so which one is right?

>>95971600
Type 1 and 3 seem like cool guys honestly

>>95971660
No I am talking to you only jerk

>>95971675
I'm not the original anon you retard, why do you do this every time, does somebody need to post the screencap of all the modelposters shitting on you with timestamps again

>>95971600
yep, sounds about right

Why can captains only join bladeguard of they have a shield? They aren't even targetable why does it matter if they use a gun?

>>95970427
No they're volcels.

>>95971600
we can make this more 40kg related

>>95971718
KEK
Okay this is pretty good

>>95971594
>buh buh youre such a jerk!!
If you weren't such a spineless fag about it nobody would bother you, quit fucking blubbering about anons not liking you, they are just whiney troons on discord desperate for this to be another safe space. It isnt.

>>95971718
Lmao

>>95971726
Hey don’t call me out like that in front of my peers

>>95971726
shut up, anon

>>95971726
>cute anime girl admitting she's racist
Wife material, fuck...

>>95971718
lol, I feel like I've been in that exact thread a hundred times now

>>95971718
Who here is type 1?

>>95971718
I know this is supposed to be funny but to me it's actually kinda sad

>>95971774
Eh, I like different things about both firstborn and primaris but I don't collect space marines anyway so I'm probably not a good judge of them. I have built and painted a few of each though just for fun. Space Marines are fun to paint and don't ever let anyone try to tell you otherwise.

>>95971773
We all have.

CSM bros, how are we feeling right now?

>>95971774
Me.

>>95971815
Pretty good. CoB and Raiders are both very good. Legionaries feel like they're made of paper though.

>>95971718
Type 2 and 3 anons, why are you the way you are? Who hurt you?

>>95971815
Just want my chaos spawn to be good

>>95971774
I have both Primaris and Firstborn but prefer Small Kings without doubt.

>>95971820
>CoB
What is that?

>>95971831
Creations of Bile

>>95971821
Why are you lumping in type 3 with the 2? I just want Dark Eldar to get some cool stuff.

>>95971815
Pretty good. Got a bunch of vintage CSM in the mail the other day.

>>95971837
Ritualfaggotry is just as bad as whatever mental illness type 2 has.

>>95971831
Creations of Bile. The infantry detachment. Makes possessed and Chosen insanely good which I like

>>95971831
>>95971834
Khorne on a CoB

>>95971718
Perfectly captures the complete faggotry that our threads have become. I wish we were better than this.

>>95971849
Not even close. Like, remotely.

>>95971860
We are though. Our modelposters and the guys taking part in the community stuff atleast try to be better.

>>95971854
oh (You)

>>95971853
>having to run a named character
Thanks but no.

>>95971905
You dont HAVE to run Bile. Its beneficial if you do and he's very good but nothing is stopping you from embracing the gamblecore mechanic and just taking the two dice you roll. The strats are good too

>>95971865
I see we've already forgotten PAKi.

>>95971821
Agents gonna become a real army ANY DAY NOW

>>95971922
That guy was annoying because he was more of a shitstirrer than a ritualposter, trying to start the primaris vs firstborn fights.

"Dark Eldar Refresh" guy is just asking for new models for his faction.

>>95971928
making agents a real army completely defeats the point of agents as a concept

they shouldn't be an army, but an index of units to field into other armies

>>95971849
It seems like dedication but a ritual post takes less than a minute to do and doesn't derail the thread into shitflinging. Anyone can do it really and nothing about these threads would change at all...

>>95971933
Yeah. Every. Single. Thread. Ritualposters all deserve the rope.

Only realizing now that strats are all the same but under different names

deldar look so cool i'm sad they arent an actual empire like in fantasy i hate the idea of playing "the pirate faction"

>>95971951
Not all but many. Tends to happen when you put what used to be core mechanics into stratagems and when a big chunk of modern rules are just re-rolls.

>>95971954
I mean, they have their own alternate dimension empire that is completely unassailable where multiple world and even suns are kept captive
But yeah, it is a shame they don't hold any regions of Realspace as kind of an evil empire to threaten the sovereignty of the Imperium over the fringes of the galaxy.

>>95971935
I argue the complete opposite actually.
The Emperor's holy inquisition and his agents have enough power to field countless units from the Imperium under their hands. If anything I like them being composed of a couple of elite HQ units leading tons of other factions like GK, DW, ADS, ADA with their own quirks when under their supervision. I just wish more was avaiable for them. Id rather have them be a mix of other armies with unique units and vehicles than their own thing. That aside we eating good ever eince KT dropped

>>95971946
if think these posts happen too often, then you are online too often.

How is your entry doing, guys?

>>95971980
>GK, DW, ADS
these would not get fielded by the same inquisitor in the same army

even your concept works best if the inquisitor in question is simply a HQ choice that you add onto another army

>>95971990
Bad, with this heat paint dries on my brushes so I haven't been able to finish painting my stuff. I might be able to finish next week but I'll miss the deadline.

>>95971951
If a detachment is good it is safe to assume that it has "X unit can charge after advancing", "X unit is -1 to hit", "X unit can reroll wounds", or "Unit shooting at X is =1 AP" at least. All armies are the same. Shrimplified.

>>95971933
The Dark Eldar guy at least posts new art every thread too and doesn't take the bait when people start antagonizing him. Furthermore, I think he's probably the reason all those guys starting up the faction recently always get full answers to their questions about it like >>95971151
...unless he's the one asking those same questions and then answering himself too.

>>95971984
You'll never get your refresh, buddy.

>>95971984
NTA but don't try to spin this around, faggot. I'll often skim through threads that I missed and the trash dark eldar ritualpost is always there.

>>95971990
I finished mine weeks ago

>>95972019
>NTA but don't try to spin this around, faggot.
You're angry because you don't want to face your own fault.

>>95971970
That is cooler i thought it was just like one city like port royal but in the warp, GW should just let them steal a lot more suns and worlds and make a really big place there.

>>95971990
Black Panther is mostly done but I don’t think he will let me on the collage

>>95972002
You have until monday afternoon euro hours, you can still make it.

>>95972042
Sadly I work weekends so I have like 2 hours tomorrow free. I don't think I'll make it but I'll try.

>>95971954
They are an actual empire, their empire is just in the Webway.
>>95971970
They can strike anywhere at anytime depending on where Webway portals are open, found,mapped, unsealed etc. They're an empire of piracy, kidnapping torture and murder and also every kind of luxury you can imagine. Entertainment, knowledge, food, sights, art, beasts from around the universe, pleasure like you wouldn't beleive etc.

>>95972039
It's your own fault. If only you had behaved it would have been no issue.

>>95972050
I did/do behave but people think its funny to falseflag me

>>95972050
he did behave, you're just taking slights over nothing or accusing him of posts anyone else could have done

>>95972034
There's two blacks suns already and several planets that orbit them with meteor belts made from captured and partially destroyed ships around them. Commorragh is bascially a whole solar system in terms of space, on top of other dimensions chained to it and connected to the central solar space sized space. It's huge and massively densly populated in.
The sun stealing is said to be a lost art from the height of their empire. Well not stealing a sun per se but having the tech to hold it, shrink it, control its gravity and ensure only the tiniest slivers of its heat can light the city below

>>95972059
>Commorragh is bascially a whole solar system in terms of space
God it really hurts my autism when people misuse the name "solar system" like that. There's only one Solar System, it's a proper name, it isn't a thing that there can be more of.

>>95971954
>>95971970
Elves in fantasy don't feel like an afterthought like the eldar do in 40k at times.

>>95970557
My submission has already been posted.
See >>95969028 >>95969035

>>95972079
Are you sure about that?

>>95972034
the famed refresh will come when they rediscover sun shackling and have a whole narrative around them taking whole star systems
i believe

>>95972090
I was referring to WHFB

>>95972076
solar system is a system with one star everything orbits around, so Commorragh is more like a binary star system but the stars are captured and the city doesn't orbit them.
Sorry for triggering your autism anon

The omly change I want for the primaris devastator squad is for the sergeant to get a heavy weapon too. The terminator update finally allowed sergents to use power fists like the squad so there's some hope.

>>95969035
Don't worry, I got it. I'll comb through this weeks threads in the archive before I do the collage so I don't miss anyone.

>>95972090
>aos
>fantasy
might as well call 30k 40k

>>95972096
I mean, they're an obvious antagonist for the return of the Khan. Which is why it won't happen until next edition. This is Leman Russ's edition

>>95972103
>solar system is a system with one star everything orbits around
No it isn't, dumbass. There is ONE Solar System. That's our system, the one around the star named Sol. SOL. SOLAR.

This is like if the US added a 51st state and you said "did you hear? They're adding a 51st Texas."

No idiot there's only one state named Texas, Texas is not an interchangeable generic word for "state".

>>95972112
are they not the same thing

>>95972128
Science class is in session at 40k /tg/

>>95972128
I'm only going to weigh in on this because I think it's a funny misunderstanding here. The star system Terra takes place in is not called the solar system in 40k. It is called the Sol System. All other systems are just systems.

>>95972151
no

>>95969028
I used this music in my youtube warhammer videos from highschool lmao

Madness Combat 7 specifically slapped

>>95972164
I'm just imagining 40K going through an end times type scenario and all of the major plot developments being focused on the fucking Eldar of all things. And then I remember that's actually what they started doing with Gathering Storm before they knocked that shit right off.

>>95972164
>fantasy slop
>fantasy slop
where as 30k and 40k are both primarch kino.

>>95972161
It's called both if you look around the lore enough, there are even bits of 40k lore that use "Earth" instead of Terra. It isn't wrong it's just an archaic outdated term to them that they don't use very often. Like "Britannia" today, we just say Britain most of the time but neither is incorrect.

>>95971990
I want to write a short lore phrase on my submission when it comes time for it because I like lore.

>>95972128
Sol is just latin for sun, you can call other stars suns. So you can call other systems solar systems.

>>95972161
>The star system Terra takes place in is not called the solar system in 40k. It is called the Sol System.
You should get slapped on the left side of your head until the spirit of Wernicke himself manifests to slap you some more.

What if space marines wore kilts?

>>95971195
They're also making a big point of allowing 0 cross usage for models. The vindicator and predator got new releases for 30k while 40k has the shitty grav tanks so in 11e you just fully put them in legends so nobody can buy a predator and use it in two game modes. They're 100% gone and I wouldn't be surprised if even the Rhino got canned.

>only the terminators sold out
grim. Marine fags have once again over estimated themselves. Where is that dark eldar refresh now James.

>>95972192
When the Latin language existed they didn't even have a concept of there being more than one sun, that the stars in the sky could also be suns for other planets, so no, you're being disingenuous here. Sol is Latin for OUR sun, the one and only specific one that our planet orbits. Other stars can also be suns the way that men can also be fathers, but your father has an individual name. The Solar System is named such because it's the system of OUR sun, whose name is Sol. Other suns have other names and their system is named appropriately. There are not "other Solar Systems", there are other star systems. If you want to be formal you can replace "star" with "stellar" and talk about, in the general sense, "stellar systems", but only one of those is, has ever been, or will ever be, the Solar System.

>>95972207
The rhino is not getting shit canned while half the armies in the game rely on it as their main transport.

>>95972214
They were by far the best looking models, and were not included in the army set, right?

>>95972214
Give it time. The one thing that James always makes sure to overproduce and not risk running out of is Space Marine products.

>>95972214
Space Wolf players are still mad that they cant bring their sledge any longer.

>>95972225
Yeah, it's not a mystery why they sold out. I would honestly have been very surprised if they did not.

>>95972224
They only need to allow primaris squads to ride them and they'll sell like hotcakes. Like they did with land raiders and drop pods.

>>95972214
Based Terminatorbros

>>95972236
Fuck you. I take the sled wherever I want.

>>95972224
Are rhinos that worth taking at 75 points? Doesn't sound cheap to me.

>>95972219
No anon, sol is just latin for sun. If you only spoke latin today you would not come up with a unique name for each sun. Them not knowing there were more of them stopped mattering the second we found out there are.

>>95972224
It would be a masterstroke though.all the marine players would need to buy the new totallynotaRhino to have transports. The only issue is Chaos but im sure GW can think of something.
That being said I don't think Rhinos will actually get squatted. But the other marine tanks are as good as gone.

>>95972245
Why does he need a fuckheug diorama? Can't they just do like primarchs with two bases?

>>95972253
You are a retard who is completely missing the point. Sol is a proper name now in english. Solar System is a proper name for the system that orbits the star named Sol. It is not a generic name for any system of orbiting celestial bodies around a sun. Period. You can google this easily. Stop being stupid on purpose.

>>95972240
>>95972224
It's only going to get removed from the Space Marine codex because they are going to get a new transport called the Rhinox that is just a little bit bigger and can now carry Primaris Marines in it (besides terminators and gravis)

>>95972214
Termies were the only new units not in the box set

>>95972256
>But the other marine tanks are as good as gone.
Why though? They are still useful. Especially vindicators. Even predators are great this edition.

>>95972245
Why the fuck is evers melee termi variant that comes out a special chapter only version?

>>95972264
They tried that with the impulsor ans nobody liked it. They'll just update the rhino now that 90% of the playerbase has none since it couldn't carry primaris.

>>95972236
No one is upset about that piece of shit being consigned to the dustbin.

>>95972219
>There are not "other Solar Systems"
Yes, there are.
We also call other moons moons even if that was the name of just our moon.

>>95972261
Every result on google I see says it is perfecty fine to use the term for other systems, and you are not able to explain why it should be otherwise semantically, you can only stamp your feet and go
>thats just how it IS!
so I am goimg to ignore your misguided autism.

If orks are the starter faction I will sleep through the next edition

If deldar are the starter faction I will consoom.

>>95972299
buy a comfortable pillow

>>95972292
>We also call other moons moons
You are low IQ. Moon is the equivalent term to sun. Not the equivalent term to Sol, that would be Luna. When we say Lunar it only refers to OUR moon.

>>95972294
Pic related. Stop listening to AI summaries that shit will lie and tell you whatever you suggest or want to hear.

if the deldar refresh doesn't have a naked lelith hesperex with a tight but sopping wet pussy, I literally don't care

>>95972273
Oh they have great rules, but GW doesn't want you buying vindicators instead of gladiators, and those tanks are now 30k tanks so they'll be left there.

>>95972313
"planets to sol" can be every sun with planets as sol just means "sun"
>thats just how it IS
You made that clear, but since you cannot explain the logic semantically i really do not care.

>>95970821
Craftworlders have soul stones, that acts like insulation.

>>95972331
>as sol just means "sun"
No, Sol is a proper name, the origin of the name is a word that means sun. That is not the same thing.

The name "Adam" originally just meant "man" in Hebrew but if you know a guy named Adam that is his NAME now, the derivation of the term is irrelevant, you cannot put his legal name on documents as "man".

This is the last reply I'm giving you because you are repeatedly proving you are too low IQ to understand.

>>95972277
Loyalist Assault Termie refresh soon...

Sure is getting Heliocentric in here.
Could DEldar steal the Sol of the Imperium? What keeps them from doing so?

>>95972340
Your argument is that stars should follow the same standards as people's legal Identity lol, just because adam meant man doesn't mean you can't call other people adam, or other people men. You better quit you are becoming completely nonsensical. Just try to remember how "low IQ" i am next time, avoid sperging out over something so stupid.

>>95972363
>Could DEldar steal the Sol of the Imperium?
No.
>What keeps them from doing so?
They don't have the tech anymore that let them do that in the first place. But even if they did, the Sol system is the most heavily defended in the Imperium, with ungodly amounts of defenses and fleets and fortifications and all kinds of top secret shit.

>>95969159
Yes

so have space wolves pivoted away from the furry and back towards the space vikings aspect now?

>>95972201
Is there a tartan paint?

>>95972389
A little bit, yeah. They're less cringe now.

>>95972389
All the furries in the modeling department were sent to work on Age of Sigmar where they keep making griffons with cocks molded on and gay bara lizards and dragons that look like they're out of that fucking Rick & Morty episode with all the homo coomcave jokes.

>>95972389
towards DEI space vikings but I'm not sure if that is more or less cringe than furry

>>95972389

>>95972410
>DEI space vikings
There's no women space marines and Fenris is an entire planet that includes a hot equatorial region so they've always been able to have black ones.

>>95972410
>towards DEI space vikings
Nope, painting white faces as black on a display page doesn't count as modeling differently
keep seething election tourist

>>95972420
The "hot" equatorial zone isn't hot it's just not as cold.

>>95972440
Bro it's literally volcanic and spewing molten lava all over the place and Fenris is described as a world of "Fire and Ice".

>>95972450
That's some gay ass lore

>>95972455
It's been the lore since Rogue Trader and continued in every edition forever you fucking newfaggot.

>>95972450
Volcanic activity has nothing to do with a climate's tempature or exposure to UV.

>>95972458
How is this reply related to what I just said you faggot

>>95972460
>Volcanic activity has nothing to do with a climate's tempature
When hot lava is being released it heats up the atmosphere around it. Like standing near a campfire warms you up. You are correct about exposure to UV but there's no lore saying that Fenris doesn't get decent sunlight.

Sisters of Silence belong in Imperial Agents.

Aby tips what to add to a Black templar succesor army ? I was thinking about maybe more terminators or more assault terminators.

>>95972470
frankly so do custodes. they really shouldnt be their own army, no matter what cavil fanboys say

>>95972450
Im getting the feeling this planet never got finished

>>95972467
Wouldn't frequent volcanic activity actually blot out sunlight? Something like that happened during the bronze age collapse.

>>95972467
Anon you wants to tell me that icelanders are Black ?

>>95972321
They made models for the 30k versions. GW didn't remove chaos warriors in AoS just because they also exist in TOW. They just use different models.

>>95972482
I can count the number of fleshed out planets in 40k lore on one mutilated hand.

>>95972487
Iceland isn't at the equator.

>>95972496
kek

>>95972496
If the lore is old it means it's good, I'm not a fake grog at all btw

>>95972496
Hudraphur, Fenris, Baal, Armagedon, Necromunda.. .. Joe mamy fingers did you have anon?

>>95972510
How is this reply related to what he just said you faggot

>>95972505
IT was before the magnetic pole shift. As well as anarctica

>>95972512
>fenris
>baal
lol.

>>95972517
mad because bad

>>95972425
>anyone that doesn't understand black people in a scandinavian/viking inspired faction is an election tourist
You're a faggot. Post your models.

>>95972512
>fenris is so unfinished
>hey gw finishes a lot of planets, what about fenris?
man

>>95972531
>anyone that doesn't understand black people in a scandinavian/viking inspired faction is an election tourist
try english next time
>Post your models.
You know the rules, post yours with your demand or get ignored

>>95972490
Yes but nobody cares if you use the 30k or 40k vindicator. But if the vindicator straight up doesn't have rules then you can't play it at all.
If you want an example of this the vindicator cannot be used in DG, WE or EC. Only the older legion codex (TS) has it. This plus what is happening to daemons is the way forward, they really don't want the same model to be used in different games.

Since most people live in hives on hiveworlds and barely see the sun in their lives doesn't that mean that most of the Imperium is whhhhhhyte pipo?

>>95972512
>Hudraphur
Where the fuck is Hydraphur fleshed out?

>>95972556
Actually that is a good point. And I am the guy who was defending black Space Wolves. But you're right.

>>95972556
>full circle back to everyone is pale creatures who get no sun
English game

>>95972556
How much light is there in Hive worlds? Have they evolved to need less vitamin D or are there lamps everywhere like Midgar? We can assume they're practically vampire levels pale for the most part.

>>95972632
Every Hive world is different and every section of a Hive is different but down in the Underhives it's universally pretty dismal.

>>95972551
Again, 40k has its own model for it so that doesn't matter.

>>95972418
Is this an April Fool's STL or just a joke STL like pic related?

>>95972556
No because no one in 40k is autoctonous. Every planet has been colonised by people from Earth and I doubt every planet was claimed by people of a single ethnithity so they'll have a mix that will still be present by the time of 40k.

>>95972632
Depends. Hive cities still have a ton of sueface outside of the domes that gets sunlight. At least most of them, the ones that don't need a full atmospheric shield. The inside has artificial light though.

>>95971990
Sadly I won't be joining the collage because I've been focused on Infantry and Swarms. I wish the best in your endeavours

>>95972661
Anon without enough sunlight people get paler over the generations, even black people

yellow on black templars is cool, idk why

>>95972687
That's not how evolution works.

40k humanity would be unlike IRL humanity to survive conditions and food that would kill IRL people. Not even sure if the non-mutants can be called homo sapiens.

>>95972661
>ethnithity
Lol

But anyways, yeah, across the entire Imperium there is a broad mix of races, but they are not all mixed together within every individual planet and some planets will be more or less mono-ethnic.

>>95972475
Nice dark angels. Sword brethren and moar crusaders are always a good idea.

>>95972716
I mean they still are, it's just that their genome became stronger against foreign enviroments than those from millenia ago. Their living conditions might seem bad but they can live almost 3x as long as the oldest human today so they have some really good longevity.

>>95972475
>black templar
>successor
huh? do you mean crusade?
black templars only do crusades, they don't do successors

>>95972661
yes, but over 10k years, especialy in tough enviroments only the best would surive.

>>95972742
>they can live almost 3x as long as the oldest human today
Not naturally. Rejuve is expensive too.

>>95972693
there was a guy who did a whole black templars army in imperial fists colors and it was dope

>>95972756
I thought you could make a succesor of any of the main chapters.

>>95972756
>no successors bc too busy doing all of the heavy lifting of the imperium
Vgh…So based…

>>95972761
We're talking about sunlight mate. They have artificial light and artificial food they won't have vitamin defficiency because of the light.

>>95972716
the closest to men of gold are maybe custodes, theme of humanity often is the Paradise Lost

>>95972767
That looks cooler than black armor, imo.

>>95972774
black templars are unique in that they don't read books and are crusading all the time

New
>>95972789

>>95972789

>>95972789

Hyper advanced Dark Age Ais and Men of Iron also skew what's inhabitable or not inhabitable.

>>95972776
They're never doing anything of importance

>>95972783
the black looks good if you really lean into the heraldry and chapter markings, but if you just do plain black and white yeah its a little dull. going full bore on the chapter markings is a lot of work though, lots of transfers and freehand

>>95972756
They should still provide their tithe of gene-seed so there could absolutely be successors to them.

>>95972801
Wym they’re constantly crusading, taking back worlds all over the galaxy. They’re the reason the borders are relatively static

>>95972756
NTA, but I'd imagine that when a black templar crusade force splinters off for long, they form their own order in service to the God Emperor and in honor of their chapter. They haven't necessarily left the Black Templars, but they became something different to combat whatever enemies have threatened their eternal crusade.

>>95972809
No they aren't

>>95972816
That’s their whole gimmick, they’re on a perma crusade putting in the work

>>95972796
I do not want to participate in that one... You poisoned it

>>95972822
They're dying on nothing worlds with zero imperial population, they're not taking back shit

>>95972831
I understand actually fighting on a galactic scale and being useful may breed jealousy, but cmon try harder

>>95972823
Sorry. I thought it would be funny and create a light heart'd thread.

>>95972843
>actually fighting on a galactic scale
they're committing a tenth of their resources to any conflict they enter in and they're still not even a tenth of a tenth of a percent of the forces present, they're not important
But keep seething

>>95972852
And that’s still more than the other chapters do for the imperium, I can see why that would make you jealous

>>95972858
>And that’s still more than the other chapters do for the imperium
It isn't, their whole shtick is fighting useless battles for no gain
keep crying

>>95972808
lmao, no
>>95972810
yes but it's just called a crusade

>>95972863
Someone’s got a bone to pick I see, no matter, you can go collect relics or whatever, the BTs will continue actually fighting and actually saving the imperium like always

>>95972475
Basing?

>>95972313
You absolute fucking retard, sol=sun, luna=moon, these are translations of the same name, not proper name and common name.

If you are building a Space Marine chapter the GW shows no love to, how many marines should have special bits on them to show they are a part of the chapter? Should every marine given all thr bells and whistles or should you slowly build up the bits and bobs starting from squad Sgts?

>>95973461
Whatever you think is enough.
Obviously it makes more sense that more veteran marines have ornamentation. It's how 40k has always worked, more bling = more important.

>>95972485
You’re a bit outdated with that reference, the eruption you’re likely thinking of was a couple centuries before the collapse, but that’s one possibility. It’s a matter of how much ash is being thrown into the sky versus what sort of gases are released.

>>95971400
Obligatory Get fucked, wheels!