Spacecraft edition

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>News & Reminders
Pro Tour Final Fantasy won by Ken Yukuhiro (Mono-Red Aggro, Japan, he/him)
Legendary Vehicles and Spacecraft can be your commander in Brawl starting with Edge of Eternities
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/announcements-june-23-2025

>Useful Links
https://pastebin.com/QFA0hqaA

>TQ
Thoughts on EoE so far?

Friendly reminder to not buy any tranny or niggie avatars.

>>95969033 (OP)
>>95969238
I identify as Eldrazi. Where's my avatar?

I can reliably get Mythic in constructed but am hardstuck in plat 4 in limited. I have started watching NuMot, Paul Cheon and Limited Resources in an effort to get better, is there any more I should try?

Say something nice about my opponent.

>>95966442
>end of the month bronze drafts
godspeed anon.
farm them gems up to silver so you're set to fall right back down to the bottom of bronze in a couple days. free money.

>>95969615
anon you can get top 10 mythic in constructed while being so bad at the game that you're hardstuck in silver in limited (if you abuse historic/alchemy queues). constructed ranking is entirely meaningless on arena.
I'm better than youtubers like numot so I don't watch him or paul but LR is the classic.
you can ask specific questions in these threads if you want.
unless I make a guide series the current best ways to get good are to learn how to use 17lands data (and, just as importantly, learn how not to use it) and to find a god tier limited player on twitch and study their vods at 1.5-2x speed (look for limited specialists with actual pro tour finishes, not content creators or constructed guys).

>>95969615
>is there any more I should try?
Playing ranked in a gacha is retarded and the game gets objectively worse the harder you try, by design.
You should genuinely stop trying.

>Playing Brawl in late May
>Every opponent is running Kotis the Fagbearer
>Playing Brawl in lane June
>Every opponent is running Vivi Ornitifag
BOY do I love flavor of the month commanders!

>>95969033 (OP)
I wonder how wizards reacted when blizzard dropped a space themed set in hearthstone 7 months ago

>>95970487
Pretty sure they've just been basing their decisions on the same market research for a long time. Blackrock mountain came out the same time as Dragons of Tarkir, Hearthstone just had a Wild West set, and there were a few other coincidences like this.

>>95970771
yeah I do suppose this is exactly the same reaction they'd have when hearthstone's cowboy set came out 5 months before thunder junction.

Game is thriving right now sorry guys but no bans monday

>>95970155
It's because the commanders from the current set have not yet been assigned a value to what level of hellqueue they end up in. Until then they are possible opponents to all Brawl Players.
I still frequently come across Kotis with my Bristly Bill Deck.

>Oh you won 5 times in an event? How about we give you a 3 land starting hand and then proceed to not let you draw a single land in your top 17 cards. Then how about we do the same exact thing 2 more games in a row, but don't worry on game three where you think you can turn it around you then proceed to draw 6 lands in a row

>>95971100
Shuffler is rigged unless you pay a substantial amount of money on the game or have a streamer account

>>95969033 (OP)
Unpopular Opinion,

Permanents that Transform into creatures AFTER BEING SUMMONED, SHOULD NOT HAVE SUMMONING SICKNESS

>>95970789
>Game is thriving right now
Collectors are thriving, Game..

>>95971153
Mutavault shouldn't have haste you retard.

>>95971174
if ITS NOT A CREATURE when summoned, IT SHOULD NOT have summoning sickness

Its dumb that a permanent GAINS SUMMONING SICKNESS if its becomes a creature after the fact

>>95971100
variance

>>95971179
It doesn't "gain summoning sickness", summoning sickness doesn't exist in the rules. A creature can't attack unless it has been under your control since your turn began.

they should print lands with haste

>>95971211
Nor Tap, but IT WAS NOT A CREATURE when it entered.

An Artifact can TAP for its activated ability when it enters but if it becomes a creature after it enters, it no longer can TAP for its activated ability.

How does that makes sense?

>>95971215
Uhh like this or what

>>95971230
no. lands that have haste, not give haste.
so that you can still tap them the turn they come into play if they get turned into a creature.

>>95971225
Its just the turn they enter play. If you could put a non creature into play and make it a creature and attack with it thats retarded and busted. Just trust me on this.

>>95971225
Because a creature cannot tap to activate abilities unless you have controlled it since the start of your turn. If something becomes a creature, then this rule now applies to it the same way it can now attack and block.

>>95971246
Vehicles aside, how often you get get a permanent that then also turns into a creature without some extra spending?

>>95971237
They should print more lands with morph

>>95971256
Manlands, planeswalkers, uhhhhh those enchantment creature gods uhhhh i bet theres more.

>>95971268
>uhhhhh those enchantment creature gods
Those are creature you muppet.

>>95971268
>Manlands
Extra costs

>>95971275
>>95971277
Shutup retards how would you even turn a land into a creature without some extra cost to need haste or anything for that matter

>>95971307
Thats for you to unpretzel yourself, BITCH

>>95969033 (OP)
Wait... the black hole is called Sothera?

Was it intentionally a 'near-homophone'?

>>95971194
If it was true variance then I would be getting freebie games where my opponent screws/floods just as much as I do. Except like 90% of my wins are decent games where someone plays a land every turn and plays mostly on curve. But like 70% of my losses are from screwing/flooding/mulliganing giving me 1 land hands.

>>95969033 (OP)
wait, what the fuck? It's been almost 2 years since I stopped playing (around the time they announced like 10 expansions a month) and the game general in /vg/ died? How did that happen? When was it all over?

I cameback not because of FF, but because Shadowverse 2 got me itching for more raw card action.

I have no interest in anything but standard, what should I be doing with my wildcards? From what I used to play, I now have 27 rares and 12 mythics. I mainly play Dimir/Abzan/Sultai; what is a good fun deck I can make with my misery? I somehow got 15k gold as well as 1 draft token

>>95971691
There are bans in 2 days so wait until then. Dimir midrange (Enduring Curiosity and Kaito build) is doing pretty well and flying under the radar at the moment though.

>>95971691
The pro tour just happened so I recommend you craft a deck from the top 8 and start getting some dailies in.

>>95971379
Whenever you screw/flood you are actually fighting WotC neural link powered AI bot which is why they always have every card they need to counter every single one of your spells, get perfect top decks, and play 100% on curve meanwhile you're on your 7th land draw in a row or you're on a landfall deck and getting 0 lands and 0 of your cards that fetch lands.

>>95971784
Yeah, never forget they patented mind reading technology that scans your brain waves to determine which card you want to draw the most and what card you least want your opponent to have, all so they can do the opposite.

>>95971379
most of my losses are from getting fucked by rng but that's because I am a god gamer infinite drafter who is always better than my opponents and never misplays, so that is the only way they can pull any over on me.
crying about there being some conspiracy against you is classic arena scrub mentality.

>>95971691
how is Shadowverse 2?
I liked playing Take Two in the first Shadowverse. it was the only card game with an actual Limited mode back during the low point of Magic history when it came out

>>95971379
>If it was true variance then I would be getting freebie games where my opponent screws/floods just as much as I do
Not sure if I want to call you a liar or insult your deckbuilding skills.

>>95969033 (OP)
If this is into play, And I get Tezzers Emblem and use it on it, so it becomes a 0/0 Creature with 3 +1/+1 Counters
1) Does it gains the creature part abilities?
2) If later It gets +7 Station, does it remains 0/0 or becomes 5/5 with 3 +1/+1 counters ??

>>95972247
The bottom box is only when it has 7+ charge counters and it will be a 0/0 because of tez. Stationing it wont change its power and toughness

>>95970828
How does the matchmaker even calculate trihards in brawl? how do the "values" for cards work??

>>95972379
The spreadsheet was datamined a year ago, but don't think it's been updated. Basically removal, cards that were good in standard, and anything that was good when brawl was created have a high point value, but the highest impact cards are commanders. A deck with 60 tryhard nonlands and a low rated commander still won't be high enough to get paired with a 99 land ragavan deck.

>>95972115
it's pretty fun! The economy at first seemed whack, but it isn't as BAD as it seemed as they have redistributed everything through events and modes that the original didn't have. It's a good time to get into it as having guilds in 3D lobbies+guild chat makes the experience way ronerier than your typical TCG.

And btw, I have NO IDEA what the fuck to do in Arena atm as I was bombarded with a million windows and modes that I have no idea if they are worth. I also tried to filter my decks to see if I had anything in standard that was worth, but I don't see the options? Everything paid was updated, but the deck/card experience is still fucking barebones holy shit.

So sad to see Kamigawa phased out; it was the last expansion I played, and that was a very good time. What should be the plan? Is there a limited foundation run anytime soon? I'm guessing it's the one to invest into since it'll last longer. I have no interest in the FF set.

I have enough WC to make a meta level deck. Should I go for standard or pioneer?

>>95972794
Pioneer will rotate less, at least in theory. Probably should wait to see if anything gets banned in a few days though.

>>95972794
Make a brawl deck and craft brawl staples

dont much care for alchemy cards

This meta is retarded, >3cmc cards are unplayable, except if their effect is something like "you win the game"

>the only thing my opponent can do is crack a fetch
>i now have to wait 30 seconds at every single priority for them to pass
im starting to remember why i stopped playing arena

Wtf happened to mtg while I wasn't looking

Noob here, could anyone please help me with building an Evereth Brawl deck?
All the lists online are conflicting so i don't really know what to go for, any help would be really appreciated.

>>95974490
Just run the black/red staples like Dark Ritual, Lightning Bolt and Ragavan + stuff to sac like Forsaken Miner. Try a few games with a basic list and add/cut cards after if you need to

I need to pick between Fell or Sporogenic Infection, which card would you run?

>>95974825
Fell unless enchantments matter

>>95971709
Is this the Dimir deck you were talking about?
https://aetherhub.com/Deck/2025-06-24-dimir-midrange

>>95969238
You got it, will avoid buying Final Fantasy avatars, as your example shows what not to do.

>>95974490
>vampire
>clearly an elf
Why can't gooks draw?

>>95974825
Fatal Push

>>95974928
>>95975080
I went with Fell.

>no Zenos avatar
>no Emet avatar
Why don't they want my money?

>>95975111
Spooky

When the arena client starts using left/right arrows to let you scroll through your planeswalkers you know you're balling

>>95972379
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q50t8BvWrsU

>>95972446
just stick to doing dailies in the Starter Deck event queue.
it's fun and the games are pretty balanced.

am i still playing magic if i use ai slop for picking and even playing when im shaking

>>95975111
Sephiroth loves Forsaken Miner and Rankle's Prank more than any other cards, if you can fit him in there.

>>95969033 (OP)
How do we fix red decks being fucking everywhere?
Make daily wins into something else? Cast 30 spells? Play 10 5 mana creatures?

>>95976267
Just ban like a dozen cards that make the game too fast

>vivi commander
Yep, you're getting timer stalled.

>>95976267
play the Starter Deck format for dailies like the best of us.
or play something besides Standard
or play a pile of white garbage designed specifically to beat red decks and nothing else

>>95976267
we wait monday bans Mouse, Monstrous Str and Cori

>>95974306
Guest cards came back to standard, game is kill

absolutely bullying pioneer players

>>95976516
>Guest cards came back to standard
UB is not guest cards, mron

>alpha strike
>I'm pretty sure with my pump spell and trample that I win
>math is for blockers
>they do such a poor job blocking that they're exactly dead without the pump spell
interesting

never had to sweat harder for a trophy than with counterspells.dec

>>95969033 (OP)
if I use Abuelo's Awakening on The Seriema.

it becomes a Legendary Artifact Creature - Spirit Spacecraft.

Does the
>Other Tapped Legendary Creatures you control have indestructible
becomes active then or that part is 100% tied to Station?

>>95977135
It wont have flying or give things indestructible unless it has 7+ charge counters

>>95977138
"why not"
Description just say "Its an artifact creature at +7"
So in theory The abilities are tied to it "Being a creature" not to Station ,Station is just the mean to make it a creature, so in theory you can cheat "Station" with abilities that turn permanents into creatures (Abuelo's Awakening or even the new Tezzer's Emblem)

>>95977154
Nobody knows the rules yet but i assume everything in the second box is only while its stationed. See the different colors?

>>95977206
Oh wow after reading a bit more they dont have a p/t until stationed as well so its different from a vehicle. If you use tez on them they would be a 3/3 that tutors a legend with no other abilities. then if you station it it will become an 8/8 with flying and other tapped legends are industruct.

>>95976773
What standard are you playing? Because all I see are Prowess decks with Ragavan and Azorious Ominiscence. I never see Dimir

>>95977239
You see people with ragavan in standard? They are cheating lmao. Or youre a retard but maybe both.

Abuelo's Awakening > Rescue Skiff > Whatever creature you want to cheat out

>>95977114
5th trophy in a row. finally got to play with Atraxa.
fine place to end this format, just like it started.
think I got 40 drafts in. never usually do so many. will go over my stats.

I got mindslavered forever aw dang it

>>95974934
I didn't really have a specific list in mind, as there are a lot of Dimir midrangey builds that are similar. But yeah, that's a solid list. I think Cecil might be better than the Spyglass Siren, and the Vren seems sort of unnecessary. I'd also run Gix's Command over the Phantom Interference in the main, although Gix is rotating soonish so it probably isn't worth crafting.

I feel like the shuffler needs a different kind of algorithm to feel fair. In normal real life people tend to stack cards in a certain way where there is a healthy mix of lands and non land cards spread evenly throughout their deck. No matter if you riffle shuffle or overhand shuffle (essentially just cutting, but with smaller packs) there is no way that you get 6-7 card clumps of land or non-lands. It's just not possible with a real deck unless the person purposefully put them in their deck that way to begin with. If you understand how shuffling works, none of it is truly RNG. The shuffler on arena feels so bad because it doesn't take any of that into account and goes a "mostly true" rng route where you can just get fucked over and over again by crap RNG clumping lands together.

>>95977857
i wish it was totally random. like real life.

>>95977857
I think you care to much about a free to play mobile gacha game. Just scoop and move on who cares its a game none of it really matters.

>>95977857
>there is a healthy mix of lands and non land cards spread evenly throughout their deck
that is called stacking your deck lol

Kefka is nasty im sure im forgetting a few good cards though maybe.

Apparently no one wanted to touch Esper and everyone was fighting for green

>>95978681
That makes sense, most of those cards are rubbish.

>>95978681
if you try to build mana bases like
>4 plains
>5 islands
>6 swamps
in draft your spells are going to be impossible to cast in half your games

>>95978681
This is an absolute trainwreck.

>>95977857
>I wish arena would let me cheat
Most honest schizo

>>95978687
>>95978703
>>95978704
Yeah, result was 1-3...
Not sure why they continue to print vehicles, they're garbage in draft and constructed

fucked myself and still won against esika kek

>>95978847
>>95978402
Stacking/cheating is doing that and then not shuffling or letting your opponent cut. No one goes to a game with their deck in some random ass order with all the lands in one half. I'm not saying be an autist and carefully select every card's placement and then do perfect shuffles like some magic trick to ensure you get good cards. Just don't be a retard and leave 10 lands stuck together in your deck. That's how most normal people play the game. That's why the shuffler feels so awful compared to a normal in paper game.

>>95977857
yea sometimes it's annoying that you get the same fucking cards over and over again in your opening hands and some of the cards you see like never, i also always expect the same cards that my opponent most likely has due to that

>>95977625
May as well just Zombify Ardyn, at least that gives it haste. And gives your deck black for the self milling. And can pull from enemy graveyards. And can reanimate any weenie as a decent lifelinking beater if you've hit absolutely nothing else.

Whats the build? Help.

>>95979519
Well first cut the blue land

fucking around in Alchemy
everyone is playing random decks (I don't play Constructed so it's bottom of the rank), some people on literal starter decks
then there is one subhuman animal I keep running into on the tier 1 netdeck that is literally unbeatable in the format.
his rank never goes up despite playing a deck that it's impossible to lose with; he must be spam forfeiting games to stay in bronze lol

>win 6 games in a row
>Next game proceed to get 1 (one) land in my hand across 3 mulligans
>After autoconcede, the same thing happens two more times
Variance doesn't explain that, sorry.

>>95979076
anon the problem wasn't vehicles. it's that you have no idea how to build or draft a Limited deck.
you need to focus on 2 colours and then have Noctis be the only single card of your third colour in your deck (played off 1-2 dual lands, blitzball, and 1-2 off-colour basics).
with blue your base colour because Urza is like the best card in the format.
I would have went 7-1 with that pool if I had to play it for you.
cuts were every black card + auron's inspiration and some other unplayables (your 6-drops + magic damper)

>>95979656
also when you guys are building your deck after the draft stage don't put 54 cards in it and then try to look for 14 cuts, jesus christ that's why no one bothered to give specific help.
build a functional curve with your best ~18-20 cards and then look at what you need to fill in the last 3-5 slots from what's left in your sideboard

>>95979519
Cut choco, cut the blue dual. It's not strong enough to warrant a splash. Honestly maybe cut all the black except for jenova and intervention. Then you can cut the world maps, I think that makes 40?

>>95977663
Is that 5 trophies in a row at mythic? Seems pretty good.

>>95979519
0-3. Three games in row going second where I didnt hit my 4th land with two maps.

>>95979989
3 lands in the top 18 cards of my deck with town greeter on the draw. Nice, very nice.

>>95979656
>>95979678
In fact I ended up doing something close (is damper that bad? I felt like some protection for creatures like Urza would be useful, that said he was removed instantly the one time I played him. Never saw the counterspell either)
Thanks for the advice anyway

>>95980101
Damper is just generic filler.

let me guess, you need more?

>decide to make a vivi deck tor brawl
>vivi cant live a single turn as every opponent burns every single piece of removal possible on him
Oh...

>>95980468
dont play a kill on sight commander next time all commanders are kill on sight

>>95980238
post dick

>opponent mulls twice and concedes
>get this
lol

>>95980515
it's a bit janky but if you avoid 1) sunfalls and 2) mono blacks running sacrifice cards it's fun

4x collector's vault
4x absolute virtue
3x herald of dawn
4x beza i think (to survive aggro decks)
4x perennation
rest is board sweepers/removal

key card is perennation

Got my 2nd 7-win in FIN after a bunch of 4-3s. At first I got 1-2 wondering why when I thought this deck is pretty good. But then I kept winning.
And somehow I opened 2 mountains 4 times. I really don't know what the fuck happened with the shuffling.

are tokens capped at 250 now? this guy had like 500 triggers per turn but it never went above that

>>95981187
Yeah, they added it years ago, shortly after this lil guy came out, since he was crashing the servers.

can someone lionk me some good FF focused decks?

>>95981505
Yeah

>play standard
>deal with cancer aggro and omniscience bullshit
>play brawl/pioneer
>people just concede on t2 like 80% of games
>play jump in/starter deck duels
>fun long games, but the decks suck balls and most are boring as shit
What the fuck bros, is magic just shit?

>>95982148
Skill issue.

>>95982148
Yeah, it's pretty shit right now. I've just been playing brawl to do my dailies.

>>95979408
>May as well just Zombify Ardyn
>Zombify on White
Good one m8

pathetic

what can we expect from todays bans?

>>95982923
What if it's no changes?

>>95982923
take that standard cucks

>>95982927
>What if it's no changes?
Red/ Izzet Prowgress supremacy till 2027 when Eldraine and Bloomborrow rotate out

>>95971126
This thread literally called me retarded last week for claiming people like you exist.

>>95982928
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK

Reminder hidden mmr is a meme, no-one should be facing plats as a bronze. Fuck this game.
>>95981505
Yuna overlords is basically the only meta FF focused deck in mythic. e.g. https://mtg.cardsrealm.com/en-us/articles/standard-naya-yuna-overlords-deck-tech-sideboard-guide

Theres also meme decks with Cloud + Aetherspark or Sephiroth + Mobilize sacrifice for normals/unrated if you don't mind jank.

>>95983655
In a game between a bronze 4 and a plat 4 I'd put money on the bronze player every time.

>>95982148
Ive been having the most fun ever in brawl but i built my own overpowered deck shits amazing. If you get a bad match it takes like 5 seconds to quit and find a new one and people conceding is free money.

>>95981505
you'd probably have to play Alchemy if you want to meme around with that kind of low power stuff.
although Tifa/Chocobo landfall is actually a pretty good deck in that format.
or monogreen chocobo tribal

>>95983808
truth
if a plat player is paired down into a bronze player their MMR is probably atrocious lol (or they're playing a dead meme format)

how many wc do you think it would take to make a good brawl deck? i didn't get into arena until the DnD set and I've been on and off of it several times so my collection is really small. Right now I currently have 30 rare wc and 17 mythic wc.

>>95984089
No idea, I imagine it takes a metric shit-ton if you haven't been playing and opening a decent number of packs from most sets. 100 cards and it's going to be mostly rares.

>>95971225
Permanents ask
>did you start the turn with me under your control?
If noc creatures then say
>I cant tap myself as a cost* or attack this turn
This is also why creatures typically gain haste when you use a threaten effect.

>>95984089
Id throw together a standard brawl deck with what you have to grind for more cards. Be prepared to either beat Vivi or scoop to every one you see or better yet craft him right now and play him he and some of his cards may get banned in a couple hours and youll get a refund lol. Historic will take more rares than you have now for a land base if you play more than one color.

>>95984190
>I cant tap myself as a cost* or attack this turn
Some abilities can be used basically anything that doesnt have the tap symbol. Stuff like this can tap itself to pay for its ability the turn it enters.

reminder to have your client open when the bans go live 20 minutes from now, so you can craft anything they ban and get redeemed.

>>95984391
I'm not gonna update MTGA on my phone for 4 uncommon wildcards

>>95979347
>most people cheat
It's hilarious how people justify themselves. Obviously some people, including you, cheat. It's not the norm.

>>95984089
depends, you can make some minimal rare deck with some equipment commanders like valduk
>>95984308
bad take, once you craft the most used rares/mythics in brawl you can use it for almost every deck, especially if you're sticking to a specific color pair

arena should give 15 cards per pack like normal mtg packs

>>95984391
my game is open and ready sister

>>95984459
they are jews, you can be happy that we even get 10 cards

>>95979678
Personally, I find it most helpful to build my deck once I commit, the only time I dont is a late pivot.
If you are cutting cards as you pick them it helps you keep your curve and creature/interaction counts accurate while being able to see what spots you can cut chaff for upgrades. When I end a draft I have no more than 44 cards in the deck, so I only need to think on a handful of adjustments.

what are our bets on what's getting banned?

>>95984474
Yeah those cards in your pic, beanstalk, and omni are my biggest bets

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-2025

>>95984499
lmao, why didn't omniscience get banned?

>>95984454
Thats way more cards than he has and what if he doesnt like something he crafts? Vivi is definitely and optimal choice if you are going to craft anything because something from the deck is getting banned. Also if you dont like standard brawl you probably wont like historic the power level goes way up.

>>95969033 (OP)
>refusing to counter your commander so you don't scoop
>proceed to get run over
being a moralfag blue player is pain

>>95984515
>They shredded my mouse deck I dont even find fun
>Didnt ban any rares from the deck so I dont even get the pity wildcards.
Fuck you wizards you fucks. Im sure I can slap some jank togther to force it to still be a deck but fuck man. Also its clear they dont want to ban Omni. Its a foundations card and I bet they cant feel like they fucked up by putting something like that in the "forever" set. I can craft a playset of steelcutter real quick to get the wildcards and keep the cutters for other formats right?

>>95984565
You have a way bigger pool of cards and also commanders to choose from, so the matches are a lot more diversified
>and what if he doesnt like something he crafts?
the same thing would apply for standard brawl, also matchmaking will not match you against top notch decks that are powered to the max if you don't have a fine tuned deck yourself
>t. brawl player

I lost a Bo1 draft game to a hardcast Triple Triad enchantment.

I'm furious

>>95984515
kek what a broken and poorly designed game

So am I supposed to just craft 4 Cori-Cutters now for FREE Wildcards? Does this apply to Tibalt's Trickery too since it's not Standard?

>>95984619
I dunno if thats true i regularly dumpster trash decks in historic brawl

>>95984632
Craft steel cutters and at least 1 abuelos for brawl

>>95984648
what decks are you playing and what do you think are trash decks?

>>95984515
cause they are retarded, Fucking EoE have an enchantment reanimator card too.

>>95984659
Thanks. I'm still pretty new to Arena so will definitely do this for when I branch out to the other formats. Do you know if Tibalt's Trickery is okay to craft too? Seems weird because it looks like it's already banned in another format, and also because it's only getting banned in Pioneer bo1?

>>95984632
craft everything and get 12 rare wildcards, plus the common and uncommons too.

>>95984682
I dont think youll get cards for it maybe craft one but its not a good card

It was a good ride wishclaw bros. Had a lot of fun shitting on izzet and mono-red with this list (lost to everything else). Even got a few Stiltzkin -> Demonic Pact wins for the memes.

So with all the big dogs getting hit whats gonna be the new toxic BS? Its just gonna be vivi red blue init.

have a good rest, Abuelo.

Omniskiff will finish what you started

>>95984677
Im playing kefka and im getting matched against jump in commander like this retardo ive probably played against it 5 times today already and various mono color decks.
Maybe hes good i dunno i beat jodha kennan all the old hell que commanders like golos.

They should have banned Manifold Mouse too but I'm happy, this might actually fix something

so if i craft 4 coris now, will i get 4 mythic wildcards when the bans hit?

>>95984798
yes. craft everything that's getting banned.

>>95984817
nice. thanks.

>tfw only had enough wildcards to craft 2 coris

>monoblack had nothing hit
BASED

>>95984759
unironically plagon despite looking so dumb is an A tier CEDH commander, he can be really overpowered if you build him right

>>95984866
Oh for real? Ive been looking at tier lists and havent seen him on them. I am playing a new commander and someone said they arent weighted yet but that seems schizo.

>>95984326
Which is why I had the asterisk, although I should've defined it, I admit.

>>95984902
Assuming you have anything on board, he's a minimum of divination in the command zone. Generally he's a 3 mana draw 3+.

>>95984902
https://moxfield.com/decks/oEWXWHM5eEGMmopExLWRCA
yea, for example if you check this one that is pretty popular

It's Ashiok day! They are trying to memoryhole the last 6 months of Standard

>>95985050
Oh ok thanks i didnt know about this. Kefka is higher here than other lists ive seen and i think yours is correct. Hes definitely not a c tier.

>>95984474
>izzet prowess 48% winrate, no bans standard is healing!
probably. Except you know, it's winrate gets heavily deflated by Izzet Prowess being over 60% of the decks in the pro tour.

>>95985234
Anon, maybe read the thread (or the front page of any website related to MtG)

>>95985234
>>95984515

When do these bans hit arena, and will they give us wildcards equivalent to the number we own?

And if so, should we just craft all the banned cards since we'll get wildcard compensation anyway?

>>95985300
I think it's wc for the number you crafted, but yeah

>>95969033 (OP)
are there going to be XP events for reaching max mastery? I started a few days ago and are lvl 11; will I make it all the way to lvl 50?

I tried looking for any codes, but they stopped giving these uh

>>95985316
Its owned. Always owned.

>>95985319
You gotta get 4 wins a day and do your daily quests but yeah you have plenty of time. Youll get extra xp up to 15 wins that resets on sundays.

>>95985319
I recall doing the math real quick for fun. If all you did was the 500 xp dailies and weekly wins from day one you get level 60 on the dot as I recall. So you MIGHT make it. Not sure. Ive been on top of it and im level 25 right now without even doing anything this week. So you are probabbly fine. Maybe.

>>95985319
It's roughly 1k xp per day if you're doing 4 wins a day, iirc. EOE is dropping on Arena July 29, so 30 days from now. They stopped doing codes because they just give out stuff directly now, it'll be in your inbox in game.

>>95985536
if i recall right it's 700xp. 500 from quest 200 from 4 wins

>>95985560
There's also weeklies

>>95985563
true gamers do weeklies in one day

will they implement the ban on arena soon?

>>95985319
>>95985560
>>95985563
We can do the math real quick. Assume min XP from dailies of 500. 28 days left thats 14k xp. 4 more sets of weeklies for 15k xp. So figure if you keep it up theres at LEAST 30 levels of XP left for grabs. Wotc doesnt really leave you with a ton of leeway huh?

>>95985610
yes. feels like a chore to get all content when you have the mastery pass

actually 4 wins gives 25xp per win, 100 total not 200

>>95985643
I get the feeling they REALLY dont want people to reach the 600 gem rebate at level 45. I also find it kind of insulting theres like 60-70 levels even possible for no lifes and all you get is uncommons for going over. Figure they could at least through you a rare if your no life enough to make it that far, every level.

>>95985121
So where was this guy during all of the Phyrexian stuff? Don't they get a big nightmare boner after peeping Elspeth's brain both times on Theros?

>>95984515
This is more than what I would have wanted but since they're tying themselves so much with these banning windows I guess it makes sense for them. I don't know, maybe we can do dark confidants or something now.

i did the heckin thing

>>95985755
Beat a bunch of people with just odin and removal or copies lmao.

>>95985755
Im doing things too

>>95985755
good job

>>95984515
>Cori
>Abuelo
>Monstrous
Good, now green might be somwhat playab...
>beanstalk
Niggers

gotta say that vivi art is nice

>>95985610
>>95985560
>>95985563
>>95985652
Is this tool updated?
https://mtgazone.com/mastery-calculator/
I'm an idiot using these things. I'm at lvl 11 and already did all my quests and weekly things. Do I make it?

>>95975058
Those ears are way too small to be elf ears, they're the bog-standard this person is magical pointed ears.
>gook
Japanese artist, not mainlander. Get your racism correct.

>>95985964
>I'm an idiot using these things. I'm at lvl 11 and already did all my quests and weekly things. Do I make it?
>I'm at lvl 11 and already did all my quests and weekly things. Do I make it?
>Do I make it?

I'm coming to the game after 2 years, and I'm no chud tbqhf (resetera dont screenshot me pls) BUT... this game is like super woke now uh? I missed the lotr one, but that one was specially hilarious, right? holy shit
didn't this whole thing start with that red card with a fat woman?

>>95986012
it was over long time ago anon

>>95986012
What's been woke lately? I felt they went less hard lately, they'll still do shit like Secret Lair: Faggots but I haven't seen it bleed that much into recent sets lately. Also I saw some tears on twitter because the special genders mtg league got shot down without much of a reason why soon after Trump won.

>other games with battlepass
>free battlepass will usually give a healthy amount of decent stuff
>get actually impactful stuff and a ton of cosmetics, you also get the full price of the BP back because they know enough players will use that currency on the in game shop and then buy the next BP anyways
>usually you can complete it fairly easily because either the dailies give a lot of progress or you can grind it endlessly on your own time instead of getting timegated
>magic battlepass
>the grind is a slog and it's timegated bullshit, feels like some days just getting my 4 wins takes like 4+ hours because I lose 3 times in a row and then have long ass games against lifegainers and go widers
>doesn't give the full gem refund, not even half
>gives you packs which are usually always dogshit and unless you spend more money you won't even complete the set unless you are a draft king and can go infinite
>gives barely any cosmetic rewards at all
>mastery orbs for parallax cards are a literal joke
>free battlepass gives basically nothing
>all for a tcg they are making money on hand over fist because you can't actually do the T in TCG after already making hundreds of millions from paper
How are they allowed to be this scummy?

>>95986078
Is Thalia still niggered?

>>95986082
Oh not to mention the magic battlepass is 20 dollars, while most games have it between 5-10.

I actually think Arena gives too much shit for free.

>>95985964
If your level 11 right now. And you just did the weekly quests. Then no I would say making it to 50 is impossible at this point. Figure low 20 levels are left for you. If you stay ontop of it from here I would bet level 35 MAYBE to 40 if your really lucky. Unless wotc takes pity on your soul and just dumps some XP randomly.

>>95986130
Only when compared to Hearthstone. pokemon tcg live, ygo master duel etc give more cards

>>95986078
I'm not sure about lately, but coming down and seeing all the expansions since Kamigawa plastered straight to my face after not knowing anything about magic at all for all these years... yeah, game seems woke as fuck. Thankfully woke is no longer in vogue, so I hope the next few sets are better, but... haven't they mentioned that all sets are already done like 3 years in advance?
I can dream that seeing how much korean/chinese games are at the top nowadays, that they do a collaboration with stuff like Nikke and other sexy properties to finally bring balance to the cosmos.

>>95986082
>20 packs from buying the pass
>1 draft token
>4k gold so like 4 more packs
If were being generous its 2200 gems after the crappy rebate. So about 15 bucks for all that. I suppose your super new it kinda works out. Anyone else should just draft. Unless you really want the cosmetics. Though ya would it kill them to maybe like have the card styles also come with a pack?

>hastily crafting banned cards so I can get reimbursed with wildcards tomorrow
Man I can't believe I had zero copies of Cutter. I never wanted to play the deck but I cracked and drafted a decent amount of Tarkir and I guess I just never saw one.

Thirty minutes until ban update.

When is it coming back bros...

>>95969033 (OP)
it's here!
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-2025

how much time do I have to craft these cards to get reimbursement? Will I have it in the first place? They didn't jew the payback, did they?

>>95986082
Have you seen the magic community? It's full of trannies and freaks and paypigs that enable this shit. They destroyed our favorite game anon.

>>95986317
I miss anvil so much bro

When the season ends in 15 minutes do i get my rewards immediately?

Good try but not good enough creature nerd

>>95986382
I want to know this as well.

>>95986415
I discarded a wurm to gain 6 then coiling rebirth to make my opp draw and lose two life and give them a card to discard to kefka to gain more life and draw more cards. Absolute devestation.

>>95986409
It usually lags for a bit, you have the whole month bro.

>>95986317
i still have it (in brawl)

>>95986432
You don't get it i'm a gambling addict and need to roll asap

I suppose I will play my Reanimator jank to farm daillies instead of Red and concede if met with graveyard hate whenever I can't handle it. Hope y'all ladder climbers enjoy Dimir, Oculus and Gruul Delirium all day long until EoE drops

I'm not superexcited for the next Standard, I wanted some bans but this feels like a forced reset. Maybe there's something actually new that emerges but I feel I've already seen Shiro decks and Annex decks and Caretaker's Talent decks and I'm not sure there's much that's interesting to explore there.

>>95986491
>I wanted some bans but this feels like a forced reset.
bro only red players would be upset with these bans. literally everyone and the format benefit from them

what will the new mono or tempo deck be in standard?

hellloooo
where are my wildcards
or changes
heloooooo

>>95986539
it's live. restarted my client and saw the bans

>>95986539
I logged in and it gave me shit.

>>95986539
Im a poor new player that didnt have the excess wildcards to get all I could had.

>>95986557
>>95986558
>>95986561
wtf i logged in and i didn't get any pop-up but i did receive them, how boring

Just in time, LFG

I only got five rares :( couldnt craft 3 abuelos and i already got the tibalts refund

>>95986580
looks like you missed one

>>95986640
Weird, I definitely had all the uncommons.

So jokes aside. Whats the meta now? I assume izzit still reigns supreme.

>>95986660
enchantments and UW control

>>95986660
Vivi Cauldron combo lost nothing.

>>95986692
It lost monstrous rage but theres other options that dont leave a permanent +1

>actually winning with my landfall deck now
It's all coming together...

>+8 rare WCs
Oh yeah, that's the stuff

>>95986692
It lost TTABE loops

I find myself having to say "Good Game" a lot when I play Doom Foretold.
Not for the sake of being a dick. But because people really don't understand its mechanics or recognize when it's reached its win-con.

bans are live let's go stuffing counterspell into all my blue decks nothing personell bros

>>95987334
What is its wincon?

>>95987352
Imagine playing historic

>>95985964
Sorry, newguy. You're not getting max unless you pay gems, i.e. cash.
Going off what you said (At 11, no quests left for the day, no weeklies left), this what your mastery progression should look like in black, assuming you play for 4 wins a day. Capped at level 28.
If you aim for 10 wins a day, you can reach level 33 at the end of the mastery period, shown in the yellow boxes. You don't get XP for daily wins 11+, only cards and a small amount of gold.

>Enter the smiling merchant
Now, if you're really hellbent on getting that red chocobo companion or the Sephiroth sleeves, there is a final solution for you.
If you haven't purchased the Mastery Pass, you can get it, plus an additional 10 levels for an extra 2000 gems. If you already purchased the Pass, you gotta pay full price for the levels at 250 gems per 1000 XP. I'll guess that you do want those premium cosmetics, so you're looking at spending $20 to advance 13,000 XP.

>>95985964
>>95987430
There is, however, a slim chance to lower your costs and advance 5,000 XP for free.
If this promotion is still active, which I think it is, you can follow the instructions. You basically make a meme deck with 12 specific cards, rename it, and then receive the XP and a free sleeve cosmetic.
https://mtgazone.com/murders-at-karlov-manor-mystery-solution/

>>95987430
uhmm... why were my calculations different though? I have no issues getting 10 daily wins btw. Did I miss something?

>>95986692
Is Voldaren Thrillseeker that important to the combo? I'll suppose it is, its the only one which will rotate that currently has no replacement. If you are making boatloads of mana would something like Worldsoul's Rage work with some tweaks?

>>95987467
Not him but I just tried it and no doesnt seem to work. And I only started in Tarkir.

Can monoblue work in nu-standard now

>>95987403
Fagging out until the opp scoops

>>95987403
In short, card advantage with recursion.
If you've loaded up with trash permanents you can sac for card selection or draw, like Treacherous Blessing or Hopeless Nightmare, you can quickly rip their hand and field apart while chaining into the next Doom.

Doesn't mean you've won against all decks, but since it's control you've got already got a pretty good idea of what you're opponent's running by the time you've stabilized.

>>95987599
uhmm is this standard?

Jankchads the game has healed
Fly high jankchads
Fly high

>>95987654
Not at all, it's pioneer.
Which is kind of weird considering that despite Hopeful Vigil and Hopeless Nightmare being made specifically as the combo pieces for Doom Foretold, they were never in any legal standard together.

>>95987683
>no
never post a decklist ever again

>>95986078
The last things I remember that got people talking were chopping off Chandra's tits in the main art, transfat mage and too many references, such as Akira and Mario Kart, in the Wacky Racers set.
The FF set didn't get much flak, other than prices and the Secret Lair shitstorm.
There's a Latino Secret Lair going on right now, but it's a print-to-order charity Drop, so nobody but the strictest purists are raising any fuss.
The next thing I see that can cause some controversy is using a nonbinary character as a signpost card, so it's gonna get a lot of exposure in sealed and draft environments and will be an easy talking point.

>>95987718
Leck mir meinen Arsch, und ich sag dir, ob ich dich ficken will, jannywanabe

>>95987734
Both the people pushing for and the people pushing against this shit are insane. Go outside lol.

>>95987492
That calculator is wrong, we are long past Aetherdrift and FF's pass is way shorter than DFT

>>95987467
>>95987529
Aw damn. You're right. Promotion ended a few months ago. Sorry to get your hopes up.

>>95987824
uhm, well, is the lvl requirement for each quest bigger then? Because I just noticed the first calculations: the anon didn't take in account daily quests (bottom right)

>>95987492
Oh shit, yeah. Forgot to adjust the slider for future daily quests. Just don't forget to clear them if you're trying to reroll for more gold.

You'll get a lot further along, but still a few levels short of capping. You could use the gems from lvl 45 to get a few more orbs and 2 more mythic cards, so it's up to you to make that choice. Level 50 isn't worth it, but it's up to you if you wanna get the final orb and card style, and presumably the achievement, too.

Got into the game like 2 weeks back, and am now trying to figure out brawl
A friend recommended adding Imodane, Cori-Steel Cutter, and Ral Crackling Wit if I want to drop a mythic wildcard on the deck
Anything else cheap also worth adding and is there anything better suited for the mythic slot?

>>95987904
If you follow the 4 daily wins mantra since day 1 you should have enough time (even some off days to rest) for any pass but shorter passes mean you have way less leeway to slack

>>95988066
Add Lightning bolt and Pyroclasm

>>95988066
This this this this this

What are good GW sideboard cards against UB? I feel like dimir is going to be the menace going forward

>>95988079
well, I just got back into the game like 3 days ago anon

>>95988240
Knight of Grace helps a bit with Hexproof from Black but won't stop any interaction from Blue. GW has several instant speed tricks to grant Hexproof but Nowhere to Run exists

>>95988066
Agathas soul cauldron for the memes

>playing a bunch of standard after the bans
I hope you guys like seeing this guy

alchemy cards make me not want to play historic brawl anymore is regular brawl any fun?

>>95988474
Been fucking around with Vivi & Halana and Alena in it and it's been pretty fun so far

>>95988361
you animals will cry about anything

>>95988240
I'll be playing a deck with 4 Voice of Victory in the main

How bad is it give it to me straight

>>95988746
I'm playing that and its such a great card. I think it's overlooked

>>95988755
You'll probably get shit on by aggro, but seems fine against anything else. You don't have anything to replace shit like Kain or forayer?

>>95988755
low curve, good removal, decent card quality.
looks fine.
although you've got some clunkers in the three drop slot that are worse than having a Monk's Fist type 2cc filler

It went better than i thought. Most of the time i could buff and kill my kain lol.

I'm curious, when did the /vg/ general die?

>>95988975
A couple months ago?

>>95988975
It'd been falling short of post limit before archiving for close to a year.
The biggest problem is that the most frequent posters in it were psychotic egomaniacs who acted like people should be grateful to them for keeping the thread alive.
Standard /vg/ fanfare, but the supply of people stupid enough to keep engaging them eventually ran out.

>>95988975
I think it already wasnt a thing when bloomburrow released but i can be wrong as i didnt really browse vg

Bro what is this format. I drafted a car that gets lands and i crew it with the token

>>95989077
What's crazy about that?

>>95988066
Depends on how you wanna finish out the game.

>Ping them to death, but faster
Look into damage increase cards. Ojer and Twinflame Tyrant are both weak to creature removal, but the Tyrant will also double damage to enemy creatures and Ojer can be returned as long as you can continue dealing noncombat damage. Virtue of Courage is an enchantment, so it's much harder to remove for red and black. It will snowball through your deck once you start to trigger your creatures multiple times.

>Get Ral to ultimate, then fuck everything
Replace some of your cheaper, simpler spells for spells that can proliferate so both Ral and Vivi grow their +1/+1 and loyalty counters faster.

>More ping triggers
Razorkin has both pinging and first strike. Buff him with a Chainsaw or +1/+1 counters and he'll be multiple forms of damage each turn. Scalding Viper gives you an extra sorcery trigger and deter small cantrips. Urabrask is everything you could want from a spellslinger deck, although getting 3+ instants/sorceries and then an extra R may be tricky. Get Gogo to copy any of his front or back sided triggers for a windfall of damage or treasures.

>Replacement cards
Unexpected Request hopes you have a good equipment on the battlefield to give to the stolen creature. Not likely to happen, so switch it for either a loot effect or a small buff to Vivi or another good creature like Ojer or Razorkin. Impact Tremors, Pyroclasm and Lithomantic Barrage are just alternate cards with potential synergies with what you already have.

Just got into Magic because of the FF collab. I am really liking the game. It is much faster than I expected. I made a budget mono white deck that gives me good draws and health points for almost anything. Any tips for a f2p player? I heard this game is not that f2p friendly.

>>95989732
>Any tips for a f2p player?
1) Grind dailies and use that gold to play draft. That will give you the most exposure to what kind of decks people are using, and bolster your card pool.
2) Learn basic deck composition.
https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Bread
You can get a little bit more creative with constructed, but understanding how to categorize cards, the effects they have, and your means of prioritizing them is helpful.
3) Learn how to cut. Stay as close to the deck minimum as possible. 60 in constructed, 40 in draft. The further you get from these, the worse your deck will do.
3.5) Focus on a win condition. Imagine what your field looks like just before you achieve victory, and build your deck so it gets you there.
0) Prioritize fun over winning. Build decks that you can enjoy even when you lose, and avoid decks that make the experience outright miserable for your opponents. Magic is meant to be a social game and it's easy to forget that when you're placed against random people. Play with soul.

>>95989732
Stick with your budget deck for now, play the starter decks to get a feel for how the game works. IMO the best course for Arena is to copy a netdeck so that you have something you can reliably grind with. It's not as fun as messing around, but since your gold income relies on you winning, you really want at least one good deck if you want to acquire more cards at a reasonable rate. Right now is a volatile moment, since we just had a huge ban wave in Standard, one of the biggest ever. The meta will take some time to settle, in the meantime you could play some Jump In events to start getting decent rares at a decent cost. Make sure to look up packets to see what cards they can have. Long term, you'll want to either get into constructed events or draft, those are pretty much the only reliable ways to get a big collection while f2p.

>>95989809
>but since your gold income relies on you winning, you really want at least one good deck if you want to acquire more cards at a reasonable rate.
Your gold income relies on you playing. You're gonna win at roughly the same rate no matter what, so you should at least build something that's fun to grind with. Netdecking just cuts out the fun part of it.

>>95989809
>You're gonna win at roughly the same rate no matter what
That's definitely not true, people make some truly terrible brews. Though with the starter deck queue now it's less important than before, you could grind that for quests if you wanted to. However, I'd still advise against it, as I think one important thing that netdecks help with is learning how strong decks work. You get to understand how aggro needs to play, how control prioritizes different things, why midrange will run certain cards for certain matchups. It's very hard to come up with a good deck by yourself, especially when just starting out, I don't think there's any shame in looking at what others have done first.

>>95989843
Meant for >>95989820

>>95986382
>We do expect Timeless to continue to evolve this year through additional reprint cards coming to MTG Arena in Anthology releases and Special Guests cards.
That's some really interesting wording. They don't usually name drop Anthology like that. Are we getting a new anthology maybe for timeless bros?

>>95989872
They better fix Historic first, counterspell alone isn't enough to make a difference against the sorin menace.

>>95989779
>>95989809
So dumb question, but will the FF collab cards be rotated out? It looks like all of the old collab cards in arena were taken out and are unplayable.

>>95989732
I wouldn't say it's not f2p friendly, but it is repetitive until you can generate enough redeemable wildcards to make a deck you're interested in.
The starter deck duels are simple enough to play for beginners and are more or less equal in power. You'll be able to get your 4-5 daily wins in about an hour a day and progress to build a modest collection over a few weeks.

As you progress to mid and higher brackets, you can ease the requirements by choosing monocolored decks. This lowers the need for redeeming wildcards for rare lands.
A monowhite lifegain deck isn't too bad of a starter deck. You should be able to make a deck that'll gradually increase in power as you replace cards. Try to reach Platinum in constructed ranked if you want both of this month's prize cosmetics. No worries if you can't grind out the games. It's only cosmetics and one or two packs of 8 cards in prizes.

If deck building's a little above your head, search for some decks online and copy what most other people use. But you'll have to build a collection of wildcards first. In that sense, where you need to grind the wildcards before testing a deck, yeah, this game's not forgiving.

>>95989917
They'll be rotated out of Standard eventually, but will still be legal in eternal formats (Pioneer, Historic, etc.)

>>95989922
>and are more or less equal in power
Oh nonono

>>95989917
The FF cards will rotate out of Standard in 3 years, so you've got plenty of time. Even after they rotate out, they're still playable in nonrotating formats, like Explorer, Historic, Timeless, etc.

>>95988066
Tried the deck with Ojer Axonil, and this guy fucks shit up.

>>95989732
if you're f2p don't play alchemy because it rotates the fastest.

>>95988066
can you post the list to moxfield? i'll check and tell you what to add, but for brawl always check either
https://edhrec.com/commanders/vivi-ornitier
or
https://moxfield.com and search for the commander that you want so you get some ideas what people are playing and what is most getting used, just remember that it's for 4v4 so not all cards are also good in brawl or findable in arena

I feel TTABE got banned pre-emptively cause it would have too much synergy with the upcoming WARP mechanic.

>>95990400
Here you go
https://moxfield.com/decks/OehVTKS0ykmWF9niBBsowg
First time using this site so here's hoping I didnt fuck anything up

>never played MtG before, try it because I'm an FF fag
>get Vivi, seems like a cool card and I like Vivi
>build a deck around pumping him amd a few other creatures with steroids
>have mild successes. New to the game so obviously I'm learning
>finally get a starting hand that lets me set up crazy fast
>everything going my way
>oops, text message, I'll just hop over and type "lol"
>game sent me back to the title screen
>can't rejoin
>but if it's someone else's turn and they're away, I have to wait forever

>opponent has the sepherith emblem out
>but I have an enchantment with the same effect canceling it out
>his always triggers first
>but I can pull through this turn thanks to my life gain land
>forget to use the lifegain land
>take my hit while at 1HP so I can't recover it

>>95990586
Stormchaser's Talent+TTABE loops would limit them printing cheap cards like Hopeless Nightmare. Worst case could be they felt Tinybones Joins Up or anything remotely similar (maybe a new card with a cheap Warp) would replace Nightmare to drain hands or create other potential endless value if TTABE loops remained unchecked

>>95990740
we already have a creature with WARP B in the set, so whatever the ability is, you could use the ETB the bounce it back with TTABE and use it again. Thats where I go with TTABE (and probably Beanstalk too) to prevent this combos

This is my last red mastery thing, what's a cheap standard deck to do it in? it seems like it should be fairly easy

Between This and Fynn, I wonder if it would be possible to make a Poison Counters deck after Rotation

>>95990782
monored with heartfire hero + monstruous rage + coristeel cutter

>>95990782
Cheap? Depends on what you pick

Play several cards with Mobilize and see if they count when you attack with a bunch from the triggers

Boros Convoke, it can vomit a bunch of tokens but would require to cast Imodane on the same turn too

Goblins. Amass them, play Krenko, have something to give your Goblins haste and then tap Krenko to put a bunch of tokens

>>95990631
oh you're playing standard brawl, im only playing historic brawl, will check when im home from work if i can make a deck for you that doesn't need some more rare/mythic wildcards

this is what an actually flourishing standard feels like

STANDARD IS HEALED
WE HAVE BURNED AWAY THE DISEASE

>have lethal if I draw an untapped land
>9 untapped lands 2 tap lands in deck
>draw tap land
>im dead
I nearly fell out of my seat

>>95990631
About
Name Vivivi

Commander
1 Vivi Ornitier

Deck
1 Abrade
1 Archmage of Runes
1 Artist's Talent
1 Balmor, Battlemage Captain
1 Baron, Airship Kingdom
1 Chart a Course
1 Combat Tutorial
1 Command Tower
1 Cori-Steel Cutter
1 Coruscation Mage
1 Eaten by Piranhas
1 Essence Scatter
1 Faebloom Trick
1 Fire Magic
1 Firebrand Archer
1 Firespitter Whelp
1 Focus the Mind
1 Ice Magic
1 Imodane, the Pyrohammer
11 Island
1 Izzet Guildgate
1 Lightning Strike
1 Lindblum, Industrial Regency
1 Magic Damper
1 Molten Exhale
6 Mountain
1 Mysidian Elder
1 Niv-Mizzet, Visionary
1 Opt
1 Quick Study
1 Seize the Secrets
1 Slick Sequence
1 Stay Hidden, Stay Silent
1 Stock Up
1 Stormcatch Mentor
1 Suplex
1 Swiftfoot Boots
1 Swiftwater Cliffs
1 Temple of Epiphany
1 Think Twice
1 Thousand-Year Storm
1 Thunder Magic
1 Unable to Scream
1 Unexpected Request

>>95990631
>>95991107
Here bro try this. Youre missing the theme of vivi in your build. You really need to be buffing vivi to ramp out more stuff so i added buffs, fixed your removal, added better creatures. Your deck is light on 3 and 5 drops because you want to be playing vivi those turns so whatever you play instead better be great. Definitely craft a soul cauldron if you dont have one but you should have all the other cards already i think.

New thread when

>>95991120
Commander
1 Vivi Ornitier (FIN) 248

Deck
1 Abrade (FDN) 188
1 Archmage of Runes (FDN) 30
1 Artist's Talent (BLB) 124
1 Balmor, Battlemage Captain (FDN) 237
1 Baron, Airship Kingdom (FIN) 273
1 Chart a Course (XLN) 48
1 Third Path Iconoclast (BRO) 223
1 Command Tower (ELD) 333
1 Cori-Steel Cutter (TDM) 103
1 Coruscation Mage (BLB) 131
1 Essence Scatter (IKO) 49
1 Agatha's Soul Cauldron (WOE) 242
1 Firebrand Archer (AKR) 154
1 Crackling Cyclops (FDN) 83
1 Negate (FDN) 710
1 Imodane, the Pyrohammer (WOE) 137
11 Island (ANA) 3
1 Izzet Guildgate (GRN) 251
1 Lightning Strike (DMU) 137
1 Lindblum, Industrial Regency (FIN) 285
1 Magic Damper (FIN) 61
1 Drake Hatcher (FDN) 35
6 Mountain (ANA) 7
1 Sleep Magic (FIN) 74
1 Niv-Mizzet, Visionary (FDN) 123
1 Opt (ELD) 59
1 Arcane Signet (ANB) 117
1 Dive Down (FDN) 588
1 Slick Sequence (OTJ) 233
1 Stock Up (DFT) 67
1 Stormcatch Mentor (BLB) 234
1 Suplex (FIN) 164
1 Swiftfoot Boots (BRR) 58
1 Swiftwater Cliffs (M20) 252
1 Temple of Epiphany (M20) 253
1 Think Twice (FDN) 165
1 Thousand-Year Storm (GRN) 207
1 Burst Lightning (FDN) 192
1 Unable to Scream (DSK) 78
1 Aquatic Alchemist (WOE) 40
1 Monstrous Rage (WOE) 142
1 Dreadmaw's Ire (LCI) 147
1 Turn Inside Out (DSK) 160
1 Wild Ride (TDM) 132

>>95991107
FUCK i copied the wrong deck thats the old list
>>95991136
Use this one

>>95969033 (OP)
what is the best graveyard hate card for dimir in Standard atm?

>>95990732
Remember APNAP.

Haha dont drink and draft. I raredrafted the shit out of this run then for some reason didnt play green? Idk man oops im still 1-0 anyway.

>>95991571
get it dawg, draft 10 rares and then pilot that shit for 5+ wins

>>95991705
Hell yeah brother muh rares. I scored big. Havent opened packs yet either.

Does Arena have any sort of summer sale? Or nah.

>>95991816
Big nah lmao

What are the Standard queues looking like now?

I think I see a direction here.

>>95991933
Bird tribal? Bird tribal!

>>95992075
I drafted a double Choco, Seeker of paradise deck, only got like 3 birds and went 3-3

Bros I can't decide between the Rydia or Yuna avatar...

>>95991247
You mean to diss Dimir specifically? I'd say Kutzil's Flanker casted with uncounterable mana from Cavern of Souls. It will resolve and the trigger will exile the graveyard. An early Rest in Peace could dodge a stray counter but it's not guaranteed, also it can be destroyed or bounced later if it just sits there. Flanker has Flash and will keep them on their toes whenever they try to use their graveyard and you threaten enough open mana. If not playing White then a Soul-Guide Lantern will do.

Pros: colorless, cheap (which makes it easy to slip through some countermagic), not blown up by Black, can draw you a card if needed, activation on demand to exile the whole graveyard

Cons: can be bounced if needed by the opponent (you can activate it in response but will depend on the opponent if it even hurts them at that right moment or not), can be countered by certain countermagic if not casted turn 1, ETB trigger can be countered by Tishana if it was casted on later turns

>can make a good standard deck now and at least have something to play when my dailies are done and can get rank
>wont have wc to make a brawl deck and have to play shitty standard
or
>save up more wc with nothing to play but starter deck duels and jump in for god knows how long, but then get to play an actually fun format, but im stuck with 1 deck for a long time
anyone who says arena is f2p friendly is a lying fuckface

Lol
Lmao

>>95992489
If you dont pay money arena traps you into playing standard. Standard decks are cheaper to make, you make 1, build a collection over time from the mastery pass and events and playing, but only the most recent cards, most of which aren't used in any other format aside a few rares/mythics that are deemed powerful enough. Eventually you get bored of your deck and go looking for other options, but you only have a measly pittance of wild cards, but luckily you pulled a bunch of good cards from your freebie packs so you can make another standard deck! So you spend your wildcards on the missing pieces, have yourself a new standard deck and you're back in it, never escaping, never building up enough wild cards to break free and try other formats. It's a vicious cycle.

>>95992489
>>95992574
>draft
>get to play with all the cards from a new set in an actual fun format
>end up with high set completion and a giant stack of wildcards you don't need

>>95992489
Just buy $100 of gems one time

>https://aetherhub.com/MTGA-Decks/Brawl/
Why does this show standard brawl decks and not actual brawl decks?

>>95992582
>draft
>f2p
Yeah after 5+ weeks of playing boring ass garbage to build up the gold to draft a single time only to go 3-3 and then have to wait another 5 weeks of doing dailies.

>>95992615
Nah its 5k for a quick draft and you get cards for standard brawl. You can do three drafts every two weeks if you go 0-3

>>95992489
How many wildcards do you have and how many cards for the brawl deck do you already own

>>95992603
pls respond

>>95992489
hmm almost like you should make new accounts and take advantage of the wildcards from a new player cracking their welcome packs to try a new deck

>>95992854
Because that's what Brawl is, you want Historic Brawl.

you aint exiling shit m8

>>95992986
Thats disgusting

what decks are looking good?

>>95993057
Build your own

>he didnt make day 2
Lol lmao even

>>95993061
lol no, it costs wild cards

>>95993047
i know

>>95993097
Youll never be good at the game if you cant evaluate cards

>>95993148
i came in first at a 60 man PTQ

>>95993164
Wow thats literally one step up from fnm good job sport

>>95993174
you wouldn't get it

>>95992986
based oopser

>>95993214
You won a ptq what like ten years ago? Anyone can sign up for that.

What should i cut help me mtgag youre my only hope

>>95993520
did you pick every rare you saw?

>>95993525
Yes.

>Nice commander you have there. Would be a shame if I
>*heh*
>Mana Drained it

>>95993626
You can mana drain anything and the bad guy scoops 75% of the time. Nice fetchland you have there it would be a shame if something bad happened when you activated it.

WOW FUCKING DISGUSTING FUCKING NIGGER GAME ANOTHER 2/3 LOSS BECAUSE MY OPPONENT DRAWS HOT AS FUCK A FUCKING GOD DAMN FAGGOT FUCKING SPELL EVERY SINGLE TURN NO WASTED MANA MEANWHILE ALL I DO IS TOP DECK LANDS OVER AND OVER AGAIN I SWEAR TO FUCKING NIGGER LOVING GOD THIS GAME IS RIGGED AND PLAYED BY BOTS

>>95993520
You're fucked lmao, might as well just run it as is and pray.

>>95992967
?

What Deck looks better, Naya Yuna or Abzan Yuna?

>>95993660
stifling fetchlands makes my willy tingle
niggas be queuing up for a friendly game of brawl and i be like "nope!" lmfao :skull:
desu on a serious note if i may be frank (in all honesty) i used to try and be friendly and kind in brawl but everyone else a piece of shit. No hesitation to remove my commander but as soon as i hit there's so I don't lose they start roping and spamming sleepy emotes. Bunch of weirdos.

>>95993680
Its 43 cards nooooo help meeee i needed the raredraft achievement so this is what i got.
>>95993685
They changed the name in the client but the internet stuck with the old format names. Look for historic brawl lists.

what am i missing?

>>95993685
They renamed it fairly recently, yeah

>>95993705
a brain so you dont play brawl?

>>95993661
anon is losing to bots! everybody laugh at him

>>95993700
My favorite thing ever is stifling this bitch so they lose her forever get rekt alchemy nerds.

>>95993705
>>95988199
This card is kind if busted maybe youll like it.
Or the pic here is ok ramp or a haste creature

>>95993702
There's literally no good options. You're pretty evenly split across 3c with no fixing. None can be cut with three cards. Half your rares are trash in draft. Half your nonrares are trash. Cut stiltzkin, tifa, and maybe a summon choco.

>>95993705
i need like 3-4 more cards, im cutting 4 lands FYI
>>95993760
ty goes in
>>95993720
kys tranny, im playing only brawl

>>95993770
Ill just have to believe in the heart of the cards then

>>95993705
Oh did you get this land? And command center? Or whatever its called balamb garden.

>>95993813
This

>>95993705
You forgot the other gilgamesh

>>95993912
I guess you could play ultima weapon if you want another big equipment

so why am I still losing to slick shot showoff on turn 3?

>>95993705
Fear of missing out for extra attacks?

>cavern naming bird
>sanctum naming bard
WotC please add the following creature types ASAP:
-bord
-berd
-burd
-byrd

Is it really so hard for someone to just make a free to play commander client like how yugioh has a million free to play clients with all the cards?

>>95993813
>>95993842
wtf didnt even know these exist in srena
>>95993912
i have him but seems like the image cropped him away

>>95994232
You do it.

I love this deck so much its unreal. Im just bullying people.

>>95994232
you have cockatrice tho

>>95994250
Yeah id set a filter for rares and mythics not collected and take a look through that. Its annoying as fuck to use other filters in game because each special guest set has a different name…. Lame.

Ban Screaming Nemesis wtf is this card

>>95993705
Oh and if you want to be a dick you can drop out the nonbasics for Winter Moon and Blood Moon. You will get free wins for sure.

>>95993705
You forgot roaming throne.

This has to be one of the most miserable (online) card games I have played in my life. Why the fuck do I have to play and WIN ranked games to unlock pretty much everything in the game? Why does the tutorial require a new player to win ranked games? I'm either using janky decks made from the base cards and the things I'm openning from packs and I'm against functional and synergistic decks. I don't mind losing but I don't stand a chance. Someone at WotC thought this was a fine introduction for players? Something that will keep people playing? I don't recall it being like that when I last played in ~2018.

Why can't you play ranked brawl?

>>95994250
>wtf didnt even know these exist in srena
it's hard to tell with the godawful intellegible ugly reskins
>>95994445
would be good, a place for sweats like me to play an actual game without getting roped or scooped on

>>95994377
My favorite card ever. Love this jank-enabling piece of shit.

>>95969033 (OP)
did I draft well on my premier draft? (bronze)

>>95992335
err, anon-kun, I meant FOR Dimir to have in their arsenal.

My deck is 10x more busted with cascade easiest game mode im ever going to play ever this feels like cheating people with kunai.

>make black deck
>4 games in a row the person has a card or a commander that has protection from black
What kind of shit matchmaking is this?

>>95994847
Play another color? Retard.

>turn 3 person plays a spell that lets them take a creature from my hand if they gift me a card and cast it
>sees 3 removal in my hand, a land, sheoldred, and a deep cavern bat
>he takes the bat and casts it
>he takes one of the removal
>pass turn
>drop sheoldred and ignore the bat
>cast my other 2 removal and get another removal
>he loses to sheoldred drain
Why did he not just take sheoldred and make me waste a removal on bat?

>>95995012
oh he also gifted me a zenos btw, decided to grab vayne's treachery from my hand

>>95995012
They were probably retarded

Anyone have any recommendations on what to add to my mill deck for standard? Only thing is im still newish so im not drowing in wildcards so ide rather not make anything from a set thats about to rotate. So like no more Jace's for instance. Silent hallcreeper and restless reef were the only 2 I was thinking of. But im dumb so maybe theres obvious adds im missing.

>>95995245
Uhh yeah i think you should kill yourself

>>95994590
Mid draft. The black cards aren't particularly good. Coeurl and Rescue Mission over Inspiration is wild.

>>95995245
If you don't really know what you're doing you should focus on rare lands. Gloomlake Verges to replace Sewer/Backwaters.

>>95994620
NTA but probably just Leyline of the Void

I still think we shoulda got nigger cloud

played over 30 games this morning not a single aggro besides 1 prowess deck
now i decided to log again before bed:
3 matches
1 rdw
2 boros aggro

the healing is already over

>>95994590
Good enough for bronze. idk what anon is on about, inspiration is trash. Ideally you'd want more job select equipment and more removal in WB, but it's passable.

>>95995245

>>95994590
Vincent Valentine off of 4 black sources lmao.

>>95995799
>>95995846
well, it all ended really well. I'm the anon that was asking for advice if I should buy the battle pass or not... I did it in the end, and it already got paid by itself!
>>95995964
I did got to cast him... TWICE believe it or not.

>having fun brawling with my homemade deck without looking at any deck lists
> after like a week look up decks that used the same commander
>start slowing upgrading my deck as I get wildcards
>matches get less and less fun as every upgrade makes me queue against stronger decks
I don't think I really like this matchmaking system...

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>>95996558
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