Children of Chaos Edition

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>FAQ/Errata
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>Previous Thread:
>>95961470

>Thread Question:
Which legacy faction are you hoping is brought back first? Would you prefer a new non legacy faction?

>>95969472 (OP)
>Which legacy faction are you hoping is brought back first? Would you prefer a new non legacy faction?
Skaven or VC just for the health of the game. They're both incredible popular factions and integral part of the setting

>>95969472 (OP)
>Which legacy faction are you hoping is brought back first?
VC. They are the most popular Legacy faction and one of the top 5 outright most popular factions in the game. Not bringing them back would be retarded.
>Would you prefer a new non legacy faction?
Not until all the Legacy factions have retvrned home and even then, DoW and Kislev would be the limits.

>TQ
Demons. They need to be here. Just use the old metals, but also give them new stuff, and fucking squat them out of 40k already, they hardly fucking do anything with them anymore there.

DAVVI KVINN

To be honest everyone is both hoping and expecting the Legacy armies will come back but I wouldn't be surprised if 2.0 comes around and GW just continue updating the Core actions ams churning out nu-shit like Kislev or whatever. Legacy armies by that point will be completely unplayable.

Enjoy your Legacy armies while you can.

>>95969472 (OP)
>legacy faction
Ogre kingdoms. Like beastmen, they aren't particularly popular or played in AoS, and to me seem like they'd be the most distinct playstyle vs the other legacy factions. Skaven or Daemons would also be a decent one, since they have the most cucked rules imo.
>other than legacy
Dogs of War. I'd love playing them, and especially after seeing the Cathay model range and rules I really don't want Kislev / Estalia / Tilea or whatever other human empire / state.

>>95969537
At least at my lgs it's pretty near 50/50 legacy vs non legacy factions, and they run the 'renegade' army lists. If 2.0 comes out without legacy rules or they're a complete joke we'll just run whatever the most popular fan rule pack is.

>>95969564
>fully supported factions
>most balanced edition
>grounded rosters
>most sovl
>no Cathay
just play 6th edition

>TQ
Chorfs or Kislev.
>>95969503
Also an excellent pick.
>>95969485
>Skaven or VC
The tranny game on life support will go under if this happens.

>>95969580
I have only played 8th and TOW but the people at my LGS who played 6th aren't inclined to do it again.

>>95969564
>fan rules
Based.
>>95969580
>just play 6th edition
I'd like to actually find people to play with, thanks though.

>>95969580
>10 knights charge in lance formation
>get 8 attacks
>statistically kill the front row of most infantry or 3-4 models at worst
>get +3 combat res for ranks
6th had a few issues as well and iirc vampires were busted between autobreak fear and then autohitting ratlings.
still compared to 7th and 8th 6th was far less insane

>>95969609
There are tons of people who still play 6th though just look at some FB groups. In Europe at least, don't know about the US.

Otherwise, enjoy your eagle chariots and dragon lords.

>>95969472 (OP)
>Which legacy faction are you hoping is brought back first?
Dark Elves (can even be teased in the 2nd Arcane Journal as it sounds like it focus on Cathay fleet).
>Would you prefer a new non legacy faction?
No but if i have to choose i would pick Hobgoblins.

>>95969603
>The tranny game on life support will go under if this happens.
Idk. I feel like anyone who wanted them already had ample time to get them. Updated or not. My main worry with vampire counts getting back is that only von cunts get a focus, and the rest of the blood lines getting stuck in the cuck corner.

Skaven are just whatever, I genuinely think people dont actually care for them enough to buy them. Maybe it would be fun to leadership bomb them when they aren't actually shit though, so there would be that to look forward to.

>LGS already received the Cathay boxes but can't give them to me yet
The suffering

>>95969616
>In Europe
LOL I was wondering who was behind this gay 6th shilling

>>95969472 (OP)
I just want witch elves to go from $60 for 10 to $85 for 30 already.

>>95969644
they'll go for $60 for 10 on squares either way.

Real talk I really wish the plastic witch elves didnt have retarded poses.

>>95969472 (OP)
Post yourdudes lore! Here's for my dudes
>https://files.catbox.moe/7wr72g.pdf

>>95969644
>complaining about the easiest to third party model in the game

and now im finding myself preferring the 6th edition witch elves, fuck me. I really went and did this to myself.

>>95969664
Chorfs are gonna be my next army. Haven't done a ton of thinking about their lore yet, but I think I might try to write something up to the effect of them being from the northern lost tribes, and also chaos corrupted. Just not of the dawi zarr.

>>95969688
Sounds like a cool hobby project if nothing else Anon

>>95969678
They are quite nice, good taste. Good luck getting them, even recasted, for a reasonable price, though.

>>95969664
I feel (rightfully) unworthy of posting mydoodz' lore until I get more paint on them. I'm the worst sort of autist.

>>95969678
>>95969722
there's always scans and prints Of them

>>95969728
Post them anyway, I don’t know about anyone else but I always like to hear the lore for others dudes as it is what makes the world and the games feel ‘alive’

>>95969678
Those were some of my first miniatures, back when they released the updated DE army set. Painted all them non-armoured tiddies naked, great times.

Re-postan question for any goat aficionados,
I have six minotaurs, do I do 3 units of 2 for board presence, 2 units of 3 for greater threat presence per unit for one block of 6 to MEAT CHECK just about anything in one spot

>>95969472 (OP)
>TQ
Chaos Dwarfs, Ogres or Daemons

Chaos Dwarfs have always been my favorite faction however i prefer the oldschool look so i fear if they bring them back they wont be something i would enjoy. Atleast i can use the rules and print the old minis or rely on the community to make oldschool prints for them, i use them myself and they're amazing.

gonna be honest, the cathay faction has me considering warhammer.
i love the aesthetic but i fear it will draw all the wrong types. how hard will "cathay got me into warhammer" folks be judged?

>>95969814
>how hard will "cathay got me into warhammer" folks be judged?
that depends, are you chinese?

>>95969678
gofile.io/d/ZLZrQ have fun

>>95969814
We had a guy that wanted to get into fantasy with Cathay at my LGS. They lynched him and the employees didn’t even bother to clean up his body as of two days ago.

>>95969814
The average player would not mind, the more the merrier you know.

Aslong as you're not an asshole you'll fit right in.

>>95969472 (OP)
Vampire Coast so I can field my army and get easier deckhand mobs.

>>95969814
>how hard will "cathay got me into warhammer" folks be judged?
You WILL be bullied. You WILL be considered 2nd class. And you MIGHT even get raped.

>>95969857
https://youtu.be/wklDKxavCbA?t=1m27s

>>95969738
I'll post only the most interesting lore of them in that case and keep it brief. Unfortunately I haven't formatted this lore into a neat pdf yet. Here is the gist of their story as a whole.
>Errantry crusade /mydoods/ took part in to the Land of the Dead is initially unsuccessful and is defeated, pushed back by Septhah the Amarinthine; this left their leader and most of their brothers in arms dead.
>The surviving knights were driven into the Badlands where, on the highlands overlooking theBlack Gulf, the Bretonnians met the Amarinthine in a desperate battle. Through daring heroics, Septhah was slain, and the surviving knights returned to the Border Princes to prepare a defense for Settra the Imperishable's inevitable reprisal.
>He and the remainder of his retinue joined the service of Sir Cecille Gastonne and fought alongside him in the Battle of Matorea.
>Narrowly surviving the ferocious battle (and conveniently leaving the fate of said battle ambiguous) and waylaid by staggering Orc numbers in the Grey Mountains, he and his thinned, now-veteran retinue of fellow knights formed a free company in order to survive the harsh lands in which they found themselves, before traveling abroad to seek further glory, adventure, and fortune.
>Under Sir Jean Pointu's leadership the company made a name for themselves in Tilea, distinguishing themselves as extremely skilled fighters and serving as mercenaries in the never-ending internecine conflicts there.

>>95969905
And a brief TLDR of the most notable doods.
Sir Jean Pointu
>First among equals, a humble paladin and skilled horseman of Couronne. He favors simple cavalry and skill at arms above pegasi and magicks.
Sir Pascal de Parravon
>Loyal lieutenant, adjutant, and paymaster of the company. BSB.
Sir Gaspard D'Artois
>Hot tempered company champion and First Knight of my Knights on Foot unit. HATES Beastmen. Uses an impressive family heirloom sword called Gorbane.
Lady Eleanor Dufleuve
>Grail Damsel. Pious and seeks to comfort the men of the company (no, not like that) and bring them redemption through virtue and valor. She wants Jean Pointu, but no way fag.
Melzar the Mad
>Estalian pyromancer battlemage. Uses a baby dragon on a chain as a flamethrower. He used to be a minor noble, or so he says, but clearly his tutelage and upbringing was unorthodox.
Saint-Denis
>Grail Monk who lost his eye in battle and now, in its place, during battle, sees glimmers of true visions of the lives of the Grail Companions.

>>95969823
I think you got the wrong link.

>>95969905
>>95969914
Very kino

>>95969917
https://gofile.io/d/ZLZrQ4

Sorry cut the last number of the link

Really makes you wonder how the Dwarfs went to shit after Fantasy.

Anybody know of where I could find handguns of appropriate size or scale to go on the hammerer / longbeard body? Trying to keep my scale consistent. Most the minis in the t9a library look to be a really small scale and the closest thing gw has is the siggie dwarves.

>>95969940
what do you mean AFTER?

>>95969938
NTA but based. I kneel before printchads.
>>95969940
Flanderization by gay millennial retards who do not understand and therefore cannot possibly respect or follow the inspiration for the original designs. Vile.

>>95969950
What came after Warhammer Fantasy Battle, anon?

>>95969940
To be fair you didn’t list ugly brown women as one of the design inspiration for KO

>>95969814
Reminder that the End Times happend and Warhammer Fantasy was discontinued do to extremely poor sales. A single Space Marine Tactical Squad in 40k sold more than all of the Fantasy range. Cathay was designed as a low barrier to entry army where you don't need to paint multiple dozens of miniatures just to get a game going. Plus, they are all new AoS quality sculps where everyone else is +20 years old.

TOW is a prequel game. GW doesn't have to create another End Times event if they decide to drop all support for Fantasy again do to poor sales. In fact, you should be thanking the Cathay tourists for supporting the hobby, lest it be discontinued again.

>>95969959
I see this claim repeated all the time for years but there’s no source because it’s a completely made up lie.

>do to
I don't listen to the words of brown ESLs

>>95969959
I will support the ccp, thank you xi for bringing kino to the old world. 07

>>95969964
Which one? The End Times and Age of Sigmar was always going to happen regardless of WHFB's abysmal sales?

>>95969959
>A single Space Marine Tactical Squad in 40k sold more than all of the Fantasy range
I see people say this, along with other variations like "a single can of Chaos Black spray" etc, time and time again but I've never seen a source for it.

>>95969977
The tactical squad claim. Sometimes it’s taken to an even dumber length and stated that it was outsold by the chaos black paint. Complete fabrication. If you disagree post a source.

>>95969857
What if they just release the old kit ?

>>95969959
I will buy a Cathay army.
Not because I want to save the game, but because the figures are cool and I want to make anime references.

>>95969959
warhammer died not due to the world or the basic idea of rank and flank game but due to negligence, laziness and greed of gw in its models and rules

space marines are such overhyped trash that people instantaneously dropped all they considered iconic the moment gw made reviled redesigns that happened to be 1mm taller

I will not thank the chinks unless they are the ones delivering me my recasts

>>95969995
>anime
>Chinese army
Kek

>>95970003
There will be an Aqua banner somewhere. And a Doro.

>>95969987
It's worse than that, my mates wife knows the old CFO's wife and apparently the entire fantasy range was outsold by the in house grot that rifles through people's pockets while the store manager distracts them with intro games

>>95970009
>Aqua banner
Are you that repulsive faggot who made the Aqua High Elves? Kys seasonalshit faggot

>>95970010
Much worse than that. My dad is Tom Kirby and Fantasy was outsold by the take a pence leave a pence jars on the counters.

>>95969987
I think this was a joke someone made that autism anons took seriously. No source has ever been given.

>>95970020
there were like 2 big names that said the quote. I dont even remember who they were, I just know the interviews are out there. NTA btw.

WTF is this thing supposed to be

>>95970019
That's actually just the yarn they spun for the shareholders to keep things optimistic.

I am Tom Kirby and the whole fantasy range was out sold by the $10 I saved by never getting those cigarettes I went out for, I swear every store is completely out but once I find some I'll be right back son.

>>95970020
>>95970026
I think it’s pretty funny how little self awareness you have to have to parrot that at this point. To think GW would put back into manufacturing, shipping and stocking 100’s of old kits for a game that sold less than a single kit/paint? It doesn’t make any sense if you think about it for even a few seconds yet they continue to repeat the claim.

>>95969940
This is the worst aosism, they fail to understand a good army has texture and multipel different elements. Half the armies are a single unit from a fantasy army made into a whole army. Every individual nighthaunt mini looks pretty cool, but the army as a whole looks pretty boring because it's so one note.

>>95970030
The northern old one portal, now broken

>>95969814
You will forever be associated with obnoxious cunts like >>95969959

>>95970030
this is an in universe depiction by a mad imperial artist of the shattering of the polar gate

>>95969814
Asian people playing cathay would be based, white people playing cathay would be really weird

>>95969814
>i love the aesthetic but i fear it will draw all the wrong types
Why do you care? Are people really this sensitive? Either build and paint it or don't

>>95970034
I know this is true because no zoomer would know cigs used to cost $10 back then

>>95970003
I will name my Shugengan Mona and there is nothing you can do about it

>>95970003
>>95970048
There a was that very popular Imperial Chinese anime about an autistic apothecary girl that got 2 seasons of 24 episodes (48 episodes). This kind of thing rarely happens unless it's a popular ongoing Shonen manga. I wouldn't be surprised if that anime got some people to finally buy into a Cathay army.

>>95970048
>He plays factions to self insert
tranny behavior anon, tranny behavior.

>>95970048
Kill yourself.
>>>/leftypol/
>>95970055
Genshin players are the only >people wretched enough that I can confidently feel superior to them.
>t. former JewScape player

>>95970014
Lol.

>>95970069
It's just weird. If I met a black guy playing an army of white space marines it would be strange. If I met a white person who'd painted 1/4th of his empire black I'd find that very strange. Just not something a normal person would do.

>>95970077
There is literally nothing wrong with this.

>>95970077
>If I met a white person who'd painted 1/4th of his empire black I'd find that very strange.
This is not the same as playing an actually canon "black" army like 40k Salamanders or an ethnically Chinese army like Cathay and you know it. Kill yourself for trying to stigmatize liking another culture you weird Reddit cůckold slime toad.

>>95970077
Is this autism?

>>95969992
I guess they could but they might as well do a new kit with options so you can build gunnery mobs and even the deck gunners.

>>95970082
salamanders are literally black because a black tournement player back in the day painted a up a really reallly good looking army of black (not the current giga black) salamanders that got published in all of the white dwarfs and shit and it popularized the look of it, before that they were often depicted as white in codexes and the like.

>>95970039
They failed to understand that armies were supposed to represent fantastical nations. They have the design sensibility of a gimmick deck in Magic the Gathering

>>95970093
Neat trivia but irrelevant to my point. If you paint Empire soldiers black you're a faggot, show some creativity and paint up some Araby or something

>>95969938
Impressive, very nice. Let's see Anon's Dwarf scans.

>>95970112
I think if a black guy showed up with an inexplicably black empire army I'd find that less weird than if he painted a white army and even thought of german names for all his guys.

I've never met a black fantasy player though.

>>95969987
This is data from their Chapterhouse lawsuit.

>>95970123
What happens if a White guy shows up with a Cathayan army painted black? Will you shit your pants and kill yourself?

>>95970129
probably

>>95970124
oof

>>95970093
Salamanders aren't Africanoid, they're coal-black with red eyes, with populations describing their appearance as fearful/daemonic

Are we gonna say that Africans look like coal-faced demons?

>>95970124
that shows fantasy being about 1/3ed - 1/4th as popular as 40k which isn't that bad when you consider what a juggernaut 40k is/was

>>95970152
it nearly got killed by war machine around that time.

>>95970150
that is a later retcon, they were first like any marine army, later often black (african) due to a black player popularizing the look, and later still coal black because for some reason GW decided that was better.

space marine talk is almost as retarded as this board.

>>95970154
it didn't come anywhere close to killing 40k, it was only popular at all in NA, and never outsold 40k much less pushed it into irrelevance. On the one hand it's a shame it didn't shatter gw hegemony, on the other, it was dogshit so I'm glad it didn't.

It seems odd to me that the warriors of chaos line displays so few signs of mutation

>>95970176
Thats for you to do, even though I find the kit fucking obtuse to customize, but others will claim thats a retarded take.

>>95970176
For me it’s the Beastmen range being limited only to goatmen. Reading WHFB novels has opened my eyes to how much insane variety there is in Beastmen/mutants.

>>95970124
Uh thanks? Are you going to link a source for the claim that keeps being repeating?

>>95970176
That's even more evident in aos and 40k because at least fantasy had the idea that you could and should convert your dudes

I’ve been looking into getting some 3rd party minis for villagers, townsfolk, etc but I am not which scale is best for them, 28 or 32mm, anyone here who has experience getting 3rd party minis for old world?

>>95970208
I've seen more people convert aos and 40k minis than I have original fb minis if im going to be honest anon. Maybe FB mini bits get used for said conversion, but thats it.

>>95970176
chaos armour kind of is a mutation given it fuses to their skin and presumbly their size and strength is also enhanced by chaos mutation. You could also say that chaos warriors are more like supplicants to th chaos gods who
are waiting to see the spark of greatness in them before they grant boons.

>>95970188
the beastmen in fantasy are specified to be the ones dwelling in the Empire and Bretonnia both through characters and the maps and lore, and it makes sense that variations of livestock like cows, sheep and goats woud be the majority in those places.

>>95970188
I've got about 60 various metal beastmen from various sources for massive variety, gonna add some fimir to the mix too for bestigors. It looks official enough since I only go for metal

>>95970222
>the beastmen in fantasy are specified to be the ones dwelling in the Empire and Bretonnia
even then there should be boars, bears, horses, wolves, foxes, cats, dogs, toads, fish, insects, lizards, snakes, birds etc

>>95970212

>>95970233
>boars, bears, wolves
possibly protected by Taal/Ulric
>horses
probably not in the wilderness where chaos influence is strongest and also their offspring will be closely monitored since they are valuable, mutants are probably quickly disposed of.
>foxes cats dogs
Too small to develop into something humanoid, probably have some godly patrons also and dogs and cats obviously mostly live around humans away from chaos influence.

>toads fish insects lizards snake birds
again too small

There's also the 'bestiality leading to beastmen births' thing which in real life is mostly perpetrated with sheep and goats, also pigs. Not that bestiality is the official GW line on it, but I think there's some in livestock that humans live around being more prone to beastmen mutation.

>>95970253
dude, your shit makes no sense
first you defend goat beastmen because they're livestock, then you say other livestock are too far in the wild?
we have an entire faction of rat beastmen and then you tell me small animals can't become beastmen?
and gods that barely manage to protect their faithful now get to protect entire species of wild animals?

at this point these aren't explanations but mindless copes

>>95969610
I have heard that 7th edition rules with 6th edition army books is the best version of Warhammer

>>95969814
If you fully paint your shit no one will care

>>95970266
there's a diference between goats and sheep put out to graze on moorland and in noncultivated land and horses which are kept on cultivated land and given feed to supplement their diet anon especially when horses held probably 12 times the value. Essentially the more domestic the animal the less likely it will come under chaotic influence.

>rat beastmen
dishonest, that isn't what skaven are, they were brought about through a specific ritual and they are a species not a mutation.

>Gods that barely protect their faithful protect entire species
Gods barely protect humans because of other humans turning to chaos anon, nor are 'humans' the purview of most of those gods, nature is. A god that does concern themselves with humans, like Sigmar or Morr or Myrmydia, actually DOES offer protection for humans.

This is basic shit anon embarassing that it needs spelling out to you.

>>95969940
Lol the overall point is correct but the execution is pretty fucking retarded

>blackpowder weapons as a dwarf theme
>the fucking book of grudges seperate
>medieval siege weapons seperate
>mining and forging considered two different themes
>the flying balloon boys listed under airships for the aos steampunk dwarfs

Realistically dwarfs have 3 major design components
>tolkienesque/semi-norse classic dwarfs, heavily armoured, runes, axes and hammers, etc
>slayers, sort of celtic, naked, red mohawks
>the more advanced engineering stuff, gyrocopters, engineers, the more high-end artillery, maybe irondrakes

Fyreslayers and KO go hard in the last two of these aspects respectively. They are more one note, but it's a case of going from 3 design cues to 1, not 15 to 2 or whatever this post is trying to present it as.

Oh yeah. Skaven aren’t chaos. That’s neat to know.

>>95970294
>This is basic shit
No, it's bullshit from beginning to end and you know it
We have had beastmen from other animals in the fluff since forever, including small animals and uncommon animals, skaven ARE a form of beastmen, regardless of origins, which other beastmen also get multiples of, and at no point ever was an animal species somehow protected by a god just because it gets used as totemic animal by that god.
we have chaos tainted wolves in chaos and we have men that turn into bears also in chaos.

just stop talking, the only reasons beastmen models are goats are meta reasons, like making the models have a more cohesive visual language, compatibility of bits and laziness when designing and sculpting, there's no real fluff justification that holds

>dryads have skirmish
>nowhere does 30mm skirmish trays
how the fuck am I supposed to do this?

>>95970303
>Skaven aren’t chaos.
Wdym yes they are, you sneaky rat.

>>95970337
Just look for a local MDF cutting service on etsy/ebay/fb. They usually accommodate custom requests of this sort.

>>95970337
with basic cardboard/plasticard?

>>95970328
>we have had beastmen from other animals in the fluff since forever
citation, it only happens outside the Old World where you have larger animals like lions/tigers. The ony beastmen we ever hear of in The Old World derive from livestock, and I've given justifications for why. Not even saying GW have claimed as much, just that there is every reason for GW to only use goats and cows for beastmen in the setting. Skaven do not occur as a mutation of rats anon, no. They are a God and race specific breed of beastman at best, there's even the possibility they are a mix of men, dwarfs and rats given Kavzar had all present when the ritual completed.

Tainted wolves aren't beastmen and men that turn into bears aren't beastmen, not sure how either is relevant.

So what quantity of state troopers is ideal for Griffon Banner shenanigans

>>95970374
50

>>95967640
In the case of that piece from your pic, GW doesn't own it as the artist who did it quit working for GW because he did this full two-page spread, but they only wanted one page of it so he managed to get it back.
There is some 4th or 5th edition art, mostly Mark Gibbons' stuff in the AJs and I think FoF

>>95970367
>citation
I literally posted an artwork of a snake beastman, you'll also find plenty of old miniatures of non-goat beastmen or mentions of non-goat beastmen in novels

>Skaven do not occur as a mutation of rats anon
They were literally born that way at first
>not sure how either is relevant.
first you say those animals are sacred, then you conveniently ignore how we have chaos shit with them? They're relevant because if chaos can turn a wolf into a chaos wolf, or a man into a chaos bearman, then it can and will turn a wolf into a chaos wolf beastman and a man into a chaos bear beastman

your justification are bullshit
stop talking

>>95970386
>posted artwork of a snake beastmen
and where is that snake beastman, the Old World?

>they were literally born that way at first
yes along with dwarfs and humans in some one of a kind ritual that also spawned a new chaos god, skaven don't just suddenly appear from mutated rats every day in the woods like beastmen do.

>ignore how we have chaos shit with them
forgive me for thinking that Ulric and Taal might not have much power in nosca or the chaos wastes unlike in the Empire or Bretonnia where Alarielle and Kurnoth might step in. And they still aren't beastmen.

Are there any specific cultural influences on elf names in fantasy, specifically dark elves? I have no idea how to name my guys.

>>95970253
Boar Beastmen exist but they are rare

>>95970422
not really just name your guys the same way a 14 year edgelord would and you good to go
Some examples of names from the third edition Dark Elf Models
>Morathar Manbane
>Darthar Quickblade
>Hathar Redbolt
>Vonothar Twoblades
>Garthar The Strong
>Lord Anuidethar Blood-Thirster
>Hazdriuth Farbolt
>Aldethar Brain-splitter
>Kernethar the Sorcerer
>Azireth Darkforce
>Kranthar Mancleaver
>Caranath Bloodblade

What the fuck the old world builder still ain't updated with Cathay shit.
Did they get hit by GW

>>95970475
Nothing of tje sprt. Cathay rules will be released in full once it reaches the public. Until the book release date, stats are off

>>95970446
>just name your guys the same way a 14 year edgelord would
Nice, will do thanks.

I'd love to have dog, wolf, snake, cat or horse-headed beastmen like they had in the , original 80s miniatures.

>>95970497
I hope there can be a big titted snake beastwoman that's what I'd like.

>>95970502
It's called beastMEN not beastfoids kthx

>>95970401
>the Old World?
yes
>skaven don't just suddenly appear from mutated rats every day in the woods like beastmen do.
nothing suggests they can't, there's also multiple mentions of humans turning into skaven one way or another
>forgive me for thinking that Ulric and Taal might not have much power in nosca or the chaos wastes
that's not how gods work, they're not constrained by geographical borders, and if metaphysical borders mattered, then beastmen territories in the old world would also be out of their power and generate wolfmen and bearmen
not to mention that beastmen can and do migrate, if wolfmen and bearmen are a thing in places as near as norsca, then they will be found in the old world too

>>95970424
I want to believe boar beastmen come from orcs, more than humans
>gentle reminder porcs are canon to warhammer

Kislev when??

>>95970547
some rumours suggest they might come as soon as the end of this year

>>95970507
I don't mind if the snakes have tits and a dick then.

>>95970549
Can't wait for ice bears, ice guard, ice witches, ice elementals and the ice queen.

>>95970584
you listed some things twice under different names

>>95970584
>boyar hero on war bear
>BSB hero on foot + hero on horse
>light infantry kossars / scout kossars
>melee kossars / streltsi kossars
>ungol horse archers
>ice guard polearms / ice guard bows
>winged lancers / griffon legion
>bear cavalry
>bear war wagon / horses war wagon
>little grom (one sprue is the same as the bear wagon)
>bear elemental + ice witch on foot / ice witch on ice throne on bear elemental

sounds fair?

>>95970622
Your hopes and copes contain too many horses.

>>95970622
Cathay only got seven kits, so Kislev will probably get that number as well, maybe less even.
>Kossars
>Winged Lancers
>Boyar on Bear
>boyar on foot and horse with Standered
>ice witch either on foot or Sleigh
>war Sleigh/cannon on Sleigh kit
>ice bear
Maybe the old Forgeworld Incarnate Elemental of Beasts since Kislev got that in TWW

>>95970676
Even if we only give Kislev the same number of kits they can double up on units by having duel kits
>Ice Witch on foot (character)
>Boyar & BSB with foot and mounted option (character)
>Kossars (Core)
>Streltsi (Special)
>Ice Guard (Special)
>Winged Lancers (Core)/Gryphon Legion (Special)
>Bear Cavalry (Rare)/with options to make one of the models a Boyar/Ice Witch (character)
>War Sled(Special)/Bear Artillery (Rare)

>>95970676
>Cathay only got seven kits
For now, it's clear there's a second wave coming eventually, even if not soon

>>95970711
if we're talking about multikits, then it would make sense to include an ice witch inside the ice guard unit.

>>95970622
>>95970676
>Tzarina on frost wyrm
>Boyar on bear
>Ice Maiden on bear
>Armoured Kossars / Armoured Kossars Great Weapons
>Winged Lancers
>Little Grom
>Elemental bear
>Frost wyrm

>>95969938
I kneel. Got any helves?

>>95970752
>frost wyrm
I don't expect that at all because that thing was a discarded concept that was only brought back up and haphazardly shoved in a DLC after that DLC got a terrible reception

if kislev has to have a dragon centerpiece of some kind, I'd argue it should have pic related and the rider should be a special character, namely the ice witch kattarin the bloody who will turn out to be a vampire

>>95970785
GW themselves did do concept art for it, so it has the possibility of showing up, but that might have just been a quick sketch done over lunch

>nominal interest in Cathay due to interest in Chinese culture and martial arts as a kid
>decided not to commit due to having a small Ogre force I’m building
>LGS posting that they got the Cathay kits in already and will go on sale next week
>desire to buy into the army grows
I don’t know if TOW will ever get new kits in the future, but battle monks would get me to fully commit

>>95970792
>cathay
>ogres
isn't it weird that both of the absolute newest factions for fantasy were eastern factions

you'd think fishmen were next

>>95970802
I want fishmen

>>95970802
I don’t think it’s so strange. In the timeline where Cathay doesn’t make it to Total War I’d wager Nippon would have been made/planned out for the Eastern representation.

>>95969580
>>95969564
>>95969610
why do people feel the need to bullshit about 6th like it was some golden era?
It's remembered fondly because of its art and lore packed books, and the character-filled campaign supplements that came out during 5th and 6th. that's the reason.

it wasn't the balance. the balance was just as fucked during 6th as any other edition. the whfb ruleset was still a flaming bag full of dog poo then as it is now. the army lists were still bloated messes of special rules and dead-end options. is it a bit worse now? probably. nuGW does not improve games, they only ever make them worse. the decline in quality is as certain as entropy. but that still doesn't mean 6th was good.

>>95970802
they'd already beat up the "going west" thing pretty hard right before that with Albion and Lustria. so it makes some sense. it was either go east again, or head south and fill out Araby, Tilea/Estalia or Southlands. or Ind, I guess, but between Ind, Nippon and Cathay I can understand why they picked Cathay.

>>95970328
nah, this isn't right.
like you're correct that beastmen can be any kind of human animal hybrid and have all sorts of mutations. that's well established. the goat based ones are just the most successful and numerous.
and that does mean you could have a rat beastman, but it wouldn't be a skaven. it would be a beastman with rat parts. skaven are a separate species with their own creation story. they're not a bunch of individual mutants who just happen to look rat-like.

>>95970622
>>95970676
>>95970711
>>95970752
>>95970791
That's nice and all, but aren't you forgetting something?

>>95970973
Kysliv is 100% Ukrainian!

>>95970985
So why didn't GW release Kislev first then? Kislev is located smack dab right in the Old World and the game is called Warhammer The Old World.

>>95969664

>>95971017
>So why didn't GW release Kislev first then?
Because the summer release is the most profitable and next year would be occupied by 40k's 11th edition, while the summer after that for another edition of aos.

>>95971023
Where do I get this model right now?

>>95971023
Is this a Goblin Slayer reference!?

>>95971031
Why did GW release Cathay first instead of Kislev when Kislev would have been more relevant to the location and setting?

>>95971023
impressive, but not in a good way

why would you waste such a shield on some random hornblower? it's also very off balance compared to the rest of the model and it makes it appear as weightless, ruining the presentation
she's also too clean and the expression too neutral

she would work better as part of a standard, ideally carried by a centigor

>>95970547
Id rather have more cathay kits

>>95971047
Look for Brother Vinni, he's got more from these kind of minis.

>>95971059
ah, yes, I forgot to add the most relevant part: cathay is the most profitable of the two releases, which is why it gets the first important release spot available

>>95971071
Thanks so much.

>>95971059
>relevant to the location and setting
dude, the old world is a name, not some bible, the fucking thing opened with tomb kings

>>95971031
>>95971074
Ah yes, I'm pretty sure the Chinks are just lining up to buy Warhammer 40k 11th Edition in 2026. Asia has even less sales than Australia. This is all the more reason why Kislev should have come out in 2025. Everyone is going to be buying 40k 11th Edition next year.

>>95971118
It's a growing market for them I could see Cathay doing well in Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan, even if it does badly in mainland China

>>95971118
There's no place in the world that's more likely to buy kislevites over cathay minis.
>inb4 noo it's not true, based slav historychads like ME hate cathay and will buy kislev
sorry, anon, but that's just not the actual consumersbase.

>>95970382
Russ Nicholson's dead now, anyway. So many early GW figures gone this last couple of years. Tony Ackland, Russ Nicholson, Bryan Ansell, Richard Halliwell.
Ian Miller must be getting on. That will be a blow.

>>95970849
Fishmen ruin my autistic split of factions into 6 "good" books and 6 "evil" books

>>95970367
not him, but read the old realm of chaos books. they pretty clearly show and spell out beastmen that arnt goats or cows. its just gw's broo line was big enough and sold decently enough to where that became the "default" beastmen. Canonically there are beastmen of all sorts

I hate to say it anon, but your kind of retarded

>>95971199
They added Cathay (good) and now they cna add Fishmen as evil

>>95971023
>coomer unable to thin paint

>>95971197
Yeah, he died in 2023.
His artwork for the Marianburg WFRP books are great.

>>95971204
No, no, cathay was already accounted for
I had
>old world
>orient
>[redacted]
>elves
>dwarfs
>jungles

>chaos
>demons
>dark
>undead
>sands
>greens
names are placeholders, but each contains between 3 to 4 factions
I could shove fishmen in the same book as lizardmen, or in the dark one, but it's going to be weird regardless because there's like 3 potential interpretations of them

>>95971017
Kislev market have no euro/ruble/kopek.
Cathay market have a lot of yuan.

Heed my words, Electors of the Empire!
What do you think about the infantry buff? Halberds got +1 AP in attack, swordsmen have 4+ armor in combat
I want to try a large unit of halberdiers with the support of 10 swordsmen as a detachment

>>95970785
>>95970791
We don't need to give Cathay another Dragon to choose from.

If TOW replaces AoS, will Mordheim replace Warcry?

>>95971031
>AoS 5e already on the horizon
Damn they're still struggling with 4 that sucks ass for them.

>>95971023
Why are Beastmen players such coomers?

>>95971304
Warcry is already on the way out, and GW did say before TOW's release that they would probably do Mordheim again if TOW was a big success, even if the community really does not want that to happen.

>>95971320
Why aren't you?

>>95971324
Who said I wasn't?

>>95971304
that's not happening, the business model of tow is not suited for the release schedule needs of mainline products like 40k and aos, and the same goes for mordheim and a specialist game like warcry or kill team

>>95971338
Warcry, Underworlds and Kill Team aren't specialist games there done by the main studio

>>95971345
I know, but we don't have a better name for those, do we call them sidegames?

>>95971330
Based.

>>95971023

>>95971351
>do we call them sidegames?
Yeah, or support games as all three of them feed into the mainline games, unlike say Necromunda or Bloodbowl

>>95971321
I'm heavily involved in the current (North American) Mordheim scene and 99% of people would be literally apoplectic if it came back. Mordheim players hate current GW as much as /tg/'s own grogs. It would be such an ugly base split that I don't want to see it, knowing it would badly agitate a scene which I enjoy. So it's probably coming back.

>>95971396
out of curiosity, how's that community's reaction to content in general?

>>95971023
Legit embarrassing to look at and would be embarrassed to be seen gaming with.

>>95971396
I played the hell out of the Mordheim video game. How close is it to the tabletop?

>>95971437
Agreed.

>>95971321
They never said that. If they did bring it back hopefully they made it good.

>>95971321

Gee Dubs should have done a nu Mordheim as soon as TW Warhammer took off. Let people whet their appetittes and paint up some character models that could be added to their armies.

And then released some beta rules and splash reprints of Skull Pass and Blood Isle. Letting the community play around with the rules would have revealed issues with TOW like the gimped infantry they just had to correct.

>>95970422
The 8th edition (or maybe 6th) book goes into this.
While >>95970446 is correct, and the names sound edgy, it's because Dark Elves normally don't want to go by any family name. It looks weak, they want names that's tell about something they have done that's impressive. The same army book goes into DE relationships and friendships. They definitely happen and exist, it's just not something you wave around in public because it can be used against you. There is also an interesting thing about how close you are allowed to stand to people, something like you only allow your enemies and slaves within a swords length, and allowing distance shows respect/no harmful intent.

>>95971461
They said it doing a Q&A session in 2023, but it would still be a ways off if they only started development post TOWs release, and they may have just decided to not bother with it.
>No plans for Mordheim yet, but if things go well, maybe.
>https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerFantasy/comments/133tpix/the_old_world_qa_info/

>>95971023
Need pitch black eye.

>>95969664
> Only took three replies to ruin anons harmless post designed to make the thread a better place

>>95971118
Is UK market so big because they love wargaming in general or it is because GW is from the UK ?

>>95971516
Bit of both.

>>95971516
Both.
GW has a large share of the wargaming market in the UK due to being based in the UK, but the UK has, outside of Germany, one of the longest histories with Wargames and wargaming as a hobby specifically with rules for toy soldier games like Little Wars, going back to the Edwardian era

I hope chariots are as fun on the table as people say they are. Painting them sure isn't, but at least this one is almost done. Just got the banner and some very minor clean-up left.

>>95971538
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGag8Qllgnw
Relevant.

>>95971023
this will truly save the west

>>95971540
They're all shit.

>>95971558
Is that so? I've had a pretty rough time going up against dark elf and orc chariots in the past. I suppose I'll have to see for myself!

>>95971550
wonder how many people made fun of him for it.

>>95971433
They're mostly super leftist (like avowed commies tier) but they're not the fingerwagging nofun kind that gets stereotyped here. People post lots of models with gore and tits and such, they just hate big business and corposhit. GW model releases are generally "hey this could be cool for conversations" while the rules are discarded offhand. STLs are shared freely, alt manufacturers are lionized, the smaller the better. Most warbands are kitbashed from offbrand models, chopped-up GW bits, and sometimes DIY greenstuff sculpts. The models in your image are the kind of thing they love. When it's not Mordheim there's generally rules-light systems that allow a lot of custom content, so instead of any Warhammer Fantasy edition you'll see people playing OPR regiments, and their orcs are riding a giant crab or something with a custom statline. Not everyone's cup of tea, but I dearly love that whole approach to gaming.
>>95971433
I also played the vidya. Totally different! The vidya has the aesthetic down pat, but virtually no mechanical similarity. The tabletop is a (actually bad) ruleset based closely on WHFB proper, whose primary selling points are
>Lavish after-action system for emergent storytelling
>Really good community
>Free and only one edition exists
Although the rules themselves kind of suck. It's super vulnerable to waac and utterly unsuitable for competitive gamers, but lends itself well to storyshitters (me)

>>95971586
hobbies weren't an identity back then.

>>95967013
The man is better educated than 99 percent of the population he isn't going to say stupid things. Certainly smarter than anyone posting on this shithole

>>95971593
True and actor interviews were way less common than today.
It's hard to imagine Cushing talking about his Hobby on a talk show in the '60s or '70s and being mocked for it by the host or his co-interviewees

>>95971591
>The models in your image are the kind of thing they love.
They're alright it my book.

>>95971616
In the 60s and 70s if an anchor made an interviewee feel 'uncomfortable' and they werent fucking Walter Cronkite their ass was out of a job

>>95971607
I don't know about that last part, anon. /sci/ exists and while I would not claim that the rest of /tg/ is particularly blessed intellectually, I think you might be surprised.

>>95971540
If you put a character on them they're very good and fun

if you do not they are not very impactful

Speak up Legacy players
How badly did the reduction in casting bonus effect your lores?
Skaven got hit pretty hard

>>95969472 (OP)
>TQ
Vamps or Daemons, I guess? Vamps are the most likely imo, but Skaven are the most broken legacy army iirc and they need a rewrite the most.
>>95970725
Didn't GW say the only thing coming with the second AJ is Miao Ying's model? I hope there's at least rules for a second infantry unit, but it'll probably be gated behind an army of infamy I don't care about.

Pretty sure my undead aren't supposed to have regen against crumble so I will assume it is a mistake and not play that way

>>95971433
Kind of want that assasin on the right as a vampire thrall on foot.

>>95971023
Is that 28mm or 32mm?

>>95971023
>>95971437
>>95971459
normally i would agree but GW gaems have been ruined and models like this will gatekeep the normies who have POZZ'd warhammer into the state it is now.

>>95971732
Pretty hard for VC, but I think you're a lot more likely to take hero necromancers now so it might balance out

>>95971768
retard

>>95971023
Too weird to put to table

>>95971768
I think a piece like that is cool for a private collection, even if you might find it a little cringey, because it plays into that primal depravity and baseness lurking underneath humanity that beastmen represent, but if I saw someone bring that to a table I'd 100% think they were some kind of asocial sperg and avoid interacting with them.

>>95971783
How do you feel about Witch Elves and other Dark Elves units which have butts and tits hanging out?

>>95971800
There is a significant difference between those two things and if you don't understand that you are genuinely too socially retarded to survive.

>>95971800
That’s not really on the same vein.

>>95971800
A woman chained on a beastman's shield spread eagle with her genitals showing is not the same as a witch elf. Would you take the former to an LGS, anon? Be honest.

>>95971800
I think things like Daemonettes and Witch Elves are sick! I think a tit or an ass being shown is somewhat different from full on pussy popping torture racks. Sure, the line of distinction can get fuzzy but I think you can have nudity without it being pornographic and to me it's just one of those "you know it when you see it" kinds of deals.

>>95971826
quality of paintjob also matters, something like the some of the sculpts here >>95971433 are on that borderline where if I saw them painted very poorly I'd assume the person was a weird gooner and avoid them, but if they were painted very well I'd find them quite nice.

>>95971825
>>95971826
The witch elves having juicy bums is a bit pornographic.

You can only bring 4 units of core in combined arms? Or 4 of 1 core unit?

>>95971844
There is a difference between eroticism and pornography. Witch elves are erotic, the shield-woman is pornographic.

>>95971844
not really

>>95971847
Four instances of one unit. So, 4 regiments of chaos warriors, 4 regiments of sisters of avelorn, 4 regiments of knights of the realm, etc.

Witch elves don’t really have much TnA really, they’re no different from the average polish man.

>>95971847
4 of each, which shouldn't really matter in most cases unless you're one of the armies with a very multi-use core unit like orc boys

>>95971858
Show me these Witch Elf Polish men anon.

>>95971843
Being extra well painted just makes it's more coomer. I agree with the anon who said as a display peice or diorama fine, as a tabletop model it sends a signal that he's the type of guy to show up to a store with pornograhic shit and I'd assume he was a creep. Erotica or play on sexuality is already a fine linen but detailed vulva on a sexually explicit pose is porn.

>>95971800
Something like pic-related vs >>95971023 are clearly conveying two different things to the viewer. Exactly how >>95971850 put it.

>>95971855
>>95971859
Thanks. I was confused because Old World Builder was limiting to 4 core in total.

>>95971858
Witch elves being TnA is more of an art thing rather than a model thing, same with the Amazons

>>95971864
I don’t save gay shit on my devices.

>>95971869
That is a coomer model through and through.

>>95971866
Oh yea the shield model is always gooner no matter what, but there is a border region where skillfullness can be a deciding factor between if it reads as benignly sensual or disatefully crude.
If for example someone went out of their way to aquire the juan diaz demonettes, but painted them very poorly, I'd find that a little off putting, but those same models well excecuted I'd find perfectly admirable, because it means they are more than a retarded animal.

>>95971882
nudity in itself is not pornography

>>95971890
No but sculpting a pair of fat tits on a model which already had a bikini armour chest definitely moves it into coomer territory.

>>95971869
> Essentially gymnast bezerkers
> Somehow no abs and huge plastic implant tits
Wat.
I don't think this sculptor has actually fucked a real woman

>>95971897
There's a line between eroticism and something that can be called a coomer model. Having one nip visible in this context seems a bit much. There has to be a line somewhere.

>>95971890
modifying an existing model just to expose more speaks to a coomer mindset.

Something like pic related would not trip any bad taste detectors though.

Also rip, the war put this company out of buisness and they had the best chaos dwarves around :(

>>95971900
Tbf many bodybuilders get fake tits because when you want a extremely low BMI to show off muscles, well no fat no tit.
But given plastic surgery isn't canon....

>>95971917
But Fleshcraft does I could see some Dark elf witch specialising in it.

>>95971914
I remember them being practically dead already ahead of the war

>>95971768
I would rather play a 'normie' than the Virgin who thinks this is acceptable

>>95971943
yea they were hard to get ahold of and did a weird ebay store thing, but now they're dead-dead. Sad, I really the models from them I do have.

>>95971914
>modifying an existing model just to expose more speaks to a coomer mindset.
If you're judging intent rather than content then anything can be a result of the coomer mindset, even normal witch elves

>>95971955
I'm sure someone has an army based on marble tiles that is very titilating to him, but like with all retarded gooner coomers who should be shunned, you're litigating the specifics of something everyone but the cripplingly autistic implicitly understands.

>>95971993
>you're litigating the specifics of something everyone but the cripplingly autistic implicitly understands.
yes, that >>95971869 and >>95971023 are worlds apart

>>95969503
You know what the retiring of daemons in 40k might be for just this purpose. They're not an AoS army. Getting rid of them in 40k would allow them to be sold for TOW by GW's retarded metrics. RIP the 6th edition metals though, greatest daemonettes and horrors of all time, never getting made again.

>>95972004
True, the witch elf is MUCH less embarassing. It is still, however, cringe, and I would avoid playing with someone who thought that was a wise thing to bring to a game.

>>95972052
would you do the same for someone fielding morathi?

Why are people saying TK and VC get double Regeneration and also Regen against crumbling?
Sorry I'm a smooth brain here

>>95972067
I already explained this so I'm just to call you a retard. Retard

>>95972052
>True, the witch elf is MUCH less embarassing. It is still, however, cringe
I think you're overreacting anon

>>95972074
They changed the working of regen to make it no longer one roll against multi wound attacks, but a roll for each independent wound, however they (maybe by mistake) made this impact crumbling.

>>95972067
If they paint the lips like this person has done yes.

>>95970030
its a cuck cage, you put your cock and balls in it while you watch your wife get bred by beasty boys

>>95972086
no, you very much didn't, hypocrite.

>>95972089
If you put a significant amount of effort into undressing a model with no other modfications It will make me assume things about your mindset that make it distasteful to bring the model to the table.

>>95972119
>It will make me assume things about your mindset that make it distasteful to bring the model to the table.
I think you're just being severely autistic anon. You're sounding like those people that thought certain songs played backwards was Satan trying to convince people to sin from back in the day. Erotic models have been a thing for Fantasy, hell and even before that, for quite some time.
I agree that a female model spreading its legs and showing full vag and both tiddies in a pose like shown before might be too much for a model that's only supposed to be on the tabletop.

>>95972119
ah yes, the significant amount of effort of having an already half naked witch elf show one boob, like other models of the same army already do.

This is just as much of a sin as hanging a naked slave in some bondage pose with a sculpted vagina onto a rapebeast's shield because that one was effortless bits buying, right?

>>95972138
You're socially retarded.

>this whole thread

>>95972158
You're the one that would scream in the middle of an LGS from seeing a single nipple on a model and throw a fit.
You would probably be yelling "Think of the children!" like some karen lmao.

>>95970253
In gortrek and Felix there is definitely snake ish Beastmen and also stag headed Beastmen in the empire

I'm building up a WoC army and am unsure if I want to go with a fully undivided theme or have certain units painted with the colors of specific gods. On one hand I think that it'd look cool to have a bit of variety on my dudes, but on the other it'd really bug me if I put the unit down on the table and didn't end up taking the appropriate mark on them.

Either way beastman are cringe and are ugly.

>>95972194
Get on the shield faggot.

>>95972194
>cringe
No.
>ugly
Absolutely, but in a good way.

>>95972199
you'd like that furfag, wouldn't you?

>>95972180
I simply would politely refuse future requests to play against you as I'm sure with your clear low level of social awareness, has occured to you multiple times from people you've put off one way or another without realizing.

>>95972180
T. Triggered Coombrain.

>>95972180
Unless if the person that brought the models themselves had a plump ass, I would not interact with said person, because said individual is in all likelihood is a Tranny, both in spirit, and body.

>>95972228
Would you ask me to fill out a paper with additional information for your records too you autist?

>>95972199
Alright, now what?

>>95972270
good post

>>95972270
Getting back on track now, good stuff.

>>95972270
lol'd

>>95972270
Now this is class
>hey uhh bring me closer to that goat shield I gotta grudge to settle nah wutimsayin hahah

>>95971131
Cathay was only more played than Kislev in Asia according to data from CA in WH III. They were both base game factions but Kislev was the most played faction in every other region of the world. Playing as Asians isn’t as appealing for non Asians as you think it is

>>95971118
The market is american and australian asians who are hugely in the english speaking nerd hobby sphere but rarely wargame due to it being a whvte mvn's hvbby, and they're trying to make inroads

>>95971131
true. cathay is cool while kislev is ultra cringe and lame.
who would want to play as stinking drunkards?

>>95971900
>IS THAT A HECKIN BIG BOOBA ON A LEAN WOMAN?!?!
>SCULPTOR AND ARTIST NEEDS TO HAVESEX INCEL
>BOOBA IS UNREALISTIC IN A FANTASY GAME WITH DRAGONS - NEVERMIND THAT THERE ARE RIPPED JACKED MEN WITH NO ACCESS TO STERIODS BUT I WONT COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT

this game was made for men/teen males by men.
you are the kind of person we need to gatekeep.
cope and seethe normie. maybe a flat chested, side-cut stormcast with abs is more your style.

>>95972385
sorry incel
but warhammer is not for you anymore

>>95972385
No one has ever wanted to play against an army that has been previously hotglued.

>>95972439
but thats every army though?

>>95972439
I agree which is why I hope every female model from now on looks like this. Thank you modern GW designers, together we can own the chud incels

>guts, open wounds with grubs, beheaded heads and limbs dangling from your models are 100% okay but a nipple is too much
The mayflower should have sunk

>>95972481
GW really needs to stop basing their models on brits.

>>95972483
Being too retarded to understand where the line is also means you're probably too retarded to be fun to play against

>and you could have it all
>my empire of dirt
>i will let you down

>>95972503
please explain me what's wrong with a nipple when the model next to it is being skinned alive

>>95972511
This image might need to be worked on since the bottom image doesn't have an older one

>>95972513
sexo = bad
violence and war = good

>>95972525
the older one is the left side of the image

>>95972534
But I get hard when I see violence and war. What then huh?

>>95972511
i love how retarded faggot zoomers dont know the catholic origins of those hooded zealots and how for catholic nations, its a pretty normal non racist thing.
>>95972513
this is probably above your capacity to understand, but nipple is fine. No one argued here but retarded coomers trying to strawman that nipple is bad. Mortathi, harpies, Juan Diaz tit snake all beloved. The BDSM naked female with vulva sculpt is far above a nipple and pornographic in intent. You either know that and are trolling, or are retarded and are trolling unknowingly.

>You know what these threads lack? It's not painted models, conversion projects, homemade terrain or battle reports. It's intense seethe about trannies, let me rectify that right now.

>>95972567
>but nipple is fine. No one argued here but retarded coomers trying to strawman that nipple is bad

>The BDSM naked female with vulva sculpt is far above a nipple and pornographic in intent.
I am with you on that.

>>95972567
>You either know that and are trolling
It's this one. Stop feeding these retards.

>>95972572
last time I posted a painted mini nobody gave a fuck. People are here to get angry about the new releases, the new or old lore and anything that doesn't require a dice or a paintbrush.

>>95972513
Ok you genuinely seem retarded so I'll explain basic social rules to you.

We are here to hang out and play a wargame and have fun imagining a fantasy battle together. We are not here to charge our jerk off crystals. If you are including models in your army that suggests your are going to go home and jerk off to the memory of my gor heard running down your overly sexualized damsel model, I'm not going to play against you. The model alone does not decide this. If you are putting lots of effort to make your army more sexualized, show up wearing an anime t-shirt, and and paint the models crudely, I will assume you are a freak. If you include models that are nude and sensual but it's done well, fits the army (lahmians, dark elves, slannesh) and is not blatantly pornographic, that is perfectly fine. If you have a bizzare naked demon prince conversion that was clearly done with artistic intent, even if it's highly sexual, that's impressive and perfectly reasonable! If you are fielding raging heroes models and brother vinni models slathered in thick paint, I will know you are a danger to women. If you model an imperial baggage train with camp followers, some of whom are in states of undress with a comical reaction from a statetrooper, you will be an unfathomably based king. If you meticulously shave down the thighs of your brettonian knights with female heads and paint them as wearing armor thighhighs, I will know you are mentally unwell.

>>95972567
its not zoomers, its americans who dont know

>>95972584
post a mini that is cool or has a racist theme and maybe we'll be interested

>>95971768
Accepting the thing you like being garbage in order to scare people away just means you're alone AND the thing you like is garbage

>>95972498
neaves model actually looks pretty good, idk why they posted that art

What are you guys making for your baggage trains? I'm having difficulty coming up with one for vampires since corpse carts and black coaches are already a thing

>>95972638
get your eyes checked

>>95972646
use a corpse cart and put a bunch of books and test tubes or a coffin on it

>>95972655
are you stupid

>>95972646
Nigga my army wont be finished until the next edition.

Why dont Dryads have Frenzy

>>95972655
>posting the eavy metal war on eyebrows

do we really need to have this discussion? eavy metal being bad at painting doesnt make the miniature bad.

>>95972646
Despite being called "baggage trains" the rules are actually "destroyable stationary objective on your side of the table". A necromantic ritual diorama, a gathering of sylvanian thralls preparing a victory banquet, an altar to any dark deities your vampire venerates, could all fill that role and not just be "a cart what ain't a cart"

>>95972685 BRUTALLY moggs >>95972638
Rest in piss sigshit

>>95972655
>posting 'eavy metal models of women
You seem to be new to miniatures so i'll give you this one to be nice and welcome you to the community.
Never looked at any female model painted in the 'eavy metal style.

>>95972694
seek help

>>95972655
>>95972638
It’s like GW wants the promo pics to be bad on purpose

>>95972673
They're not crazy just malicious. If anything hatred makes more sense.

>>95972694
How much of a loser do you have to be to still be this pissmad about age of sigmar

>>95972699
>>95972663
>implying women wear makeup on the battlefield
Please dont insult Game Workshop official paint jobs. They know women better than you incels do.

>>95972710
would. for two of them at least.

>>95972710
did they actually paint a 5 oclock shadow on that one on the right?

>>95972708
>calls Age of Shitmar by its proper name in the /wfg/
newfag detected
Go back 2 sigslop

Minotaurs!

>>95972722
Spend time with your loved ones

>>95972722
>my lightning born demigod is taller than a 20 year old rank and file model?
>AAAAAAAAA I'M GOING INSANE

>>95972567
I got one for that too

>>95972732
How do you handle the raging erections that pop up while painting Beastmen?

>>95972744
Easy, I just think about your mom

>>95972734
>my space marine lite is tall
fixed
how does it feel shilling for cringe "make space marines in fantasy" design?

>>95972738
damn john looked like that back in the day? ive only ever seen him in his later years, he looked rad

>>95972749
Now post a slaves to darkness model next to a TOW chaos warrior. Minis got bigger over time, gramps.

>>95972749
are you from 2020 or something?

>>95972732
Love to see
Now you need to make a great white Buffalo gorebull

>>95972757
the are the same fucking size you tard.
left is classic, right is new

I think Royal Host Infantry Cohorts are my new favourite unit because they go full tercio.
> front rank H&S for a 4+
> 2nd and 3rd rank spears
> 4+ ranks bows for stand and shoot
> 5pts each for easy ranks and outnumbers

It's like charging a porcupine

>>95972757
>implying this is a good thing
>cathay lantern is bigger than 40k knights
i can tell you play age of slopmar

Does anyone know the sauce of picrel?

>>95972792
https://youtu.be/7kNVHLyJUsM?si=az2I3SdjmXHOxDNh

>>95972768
Well shit. You’re right.

>>95972722
Man old wood elves are actual shit. They desperately need new stuff in their range, its tellig when GW has to pull out some stupid fucking animal handlers from 30 years ago to expand the range.

>>95972567
I dunno man I think for a lot of history the catholic church was incredibly racist (which, you can argue was normal for the time) but also a solid chunk of catholics would get very bent out of shape whenever pope Francis would say 'refugees deserve our compassion and aid' or whatever. Same shit different hood.

>>95972791
Should also have the 2nd rank use HW+S so you get two ranks worth of 4+ and the spears aren't really doing anything for anyone but the 3rd rank

>>95972792
If you're counting flight stands then a gyrobomber was already as big as a knight

>mogs the dyke Chinese dragon

>>95972818
The only thing it tells is that their range was pretty much updated all throughout.

They didn't get much from old high elves models either and that certainly wasn't because their range is small

>>95973000
>wings

>>95972710

Reminder, Games Workshop is a UK based company.

>>95973004
OPTIONAL wings, something the actual GW kit wont have. OPTIONS.

>>95973020
holy fuck

>>95972710
they are traumatized religious zealot shock troops. their bodies have been wracked by combat, their brains steeped in cortisol, no skincare or beauty routines. why would they be hot?

>>95973000
>the only dragons in cathay are the plimalchs and the empelol
I haet this

>>95972439
>tfw at the start I actually used hotglue instead of plastic cement or super glue and was shocked at how often my figures kept falling apart

>>95973122
Isn't there a generic dragon profile?

>>95973162
I didn't know what primer was till like 10 or 11 when some guy was like "hey kid see all these metal chips? If you prime them it won't chip." He also was the first to introduce me to liquid talent aka chestnut ink. He then proceeded to not molest me nor get angry when we played
>guess the army he played.

>>95972799
No sorry, but it's probably some White dwarf in some random country
This was the map CA/GW was given by a Chinese group that let them decide to do Cathay

>>95973169
No.

>>95971741
>>95972074
This sounds like it'd actually hurt you against multi wound attacks, since a regenned wound still counts for combat res.

>>95973000
I've got a better one you can get, Citadel even made it.

>>95973000
Someone's mad Sigmar chose Miao over the Empire.

>>95973191
magical dragon pussy made him acting unwise

>>95972799
I recognise the basic layout from the poster that was once handed on white dwarf shame on me for getting rid of it
but cathay is not that detailed there, that looks like additions made by fans

maybe the map one fan sent to CA which supposedly spurred total war to do cathay?

>>95973224
I still have this one, although I always turned it around for the Adrian Smith Grombrindal kino

>>95973224
>maybe the map one fan sent to CA which supposedly spurred total war to do cathay?
nta, but I don't think that's the case,e as I have seen that map, and it's not based on this one and you can still find it online on the TW forums and other places
pic is an unrelated map

>>95973178
Sounds like the work of a ratchad

>>95973178
Ultramarines

Leaks point towards Ogres and Dark Elves being the first legacy factions to fully return. I am considering picking up a black dragon or two because they are strangely cheap compared to the rest of the AoS DE range which is really expensive relative to TOW pricing.

>>95973267
What leaks?

>>95973267
Where are the leaks coming from

>>95973275
>>95973277
His dad works for GW

>>95972593
> I will know you are a danger to women

>>95973275
He reads the future in what leaks out of his boipussy after a hard day's work.

>>95973275
>>95973277
the one in my pants

>>95973267
You have to post your source, mate, or it doesn't mean shit.

In this thread we learnt that hentai and naked women are normalfag repellent and you should have at least one in your army to gatekeep the Shitmar crowd out of the game. Because apparently "old ugly potato models" aren't enough when Daddy GW tells them to consume.

>>95973317
t. triggered coomer.

>>95972818
>They desperately need new stuff in their range
Like what?

>>95973317
pic related is the only "coomer" mini I want to add to my collection, but fuck me I can't justify the shipping cost for getting it out of the usa
it will forever live in the back of my head as something I know I have to grab one day years from now

>>95973275
>>95973277
It was revealed to me in a dream

>>95973337
Is that Paymaster? That's like the one guy making figures out of indigenous people and their myths. Pretty nice range, I should get some more.

>>95973267
I could believe Dark Elves being soon since they’re still on square bases even, but Ogres would definitely be gar off with how they’ve gotten updates relatively recently.

>>95973251
>>95973261
Orcs and gobbos, iirc with a focus on nigh gobbos

>>95973352
It'll be both good to have Dark Elves back, but I'm not looking forward to how GW will butcher DoK in order to make bootleg druchii.

>>95973323
Fae swarms to mimic nurglings, zoats, maybe the incarnate.

>>95973185
It's better since it can allow one model to soak multiple attacks even if you don't save all of the wounds and more dice means you're more likely to save part of the multi-wound.

I hope if DE return they use the old sculpts whenever possible

>>95973345
yeah, I'm not quite interested in most of their stuff, but that one and this snake are way too cool to me.
it's just the shipping to europe that kills me.

to have one amazon in my collection in the end I grabbed a gal from freebooter miniatures, the one with the biggest hat, but it's just not the same without the snakes.

>>95973360
Does any of the classic DE range exist in the Daughter’s of Khaine? I thought what remained was all hiding in Cities of Sigmar.

>dark elves being back when AOS have the daughter of khaine army
good luck with that broskito

>>95973372
they'll use the 8th edition range with these exceptions
>sisters of slaughter are dead
>bloodwrack shrine and medusa are dead
>witch elves use the 6th ed models
>cauldron of blood uses the 6th ed model

>>95973389
Witch elves/sisters
The medusa shrine and all its variants
Doomfire warlocks ?

>>95973389
Witch elves, cauldron, and the other build option for dark riders.
I'm not concerned for how CoS is gonna get fucked over, that army was already ruined with its new aestheticic and the removal of allies.

>>95973358
>Orcs and gobbos, iirc with a focus on nigh gobbos
That seems deliberately geared to appeal to kids. I'm sorry bro

>>95972718
That one is a Mister of Battle

>>95971071
https://manufaktura.co/

Are Trollhammer torpedoes still worth taking, and are Irondrakes still good to take?

>>95973468
No.

>>95973402
The DoK only use 3 Fantasy kits, everything else was made for AoS.
I could see GW giving the DoK their own versions of Witch Elves, Shrines and Doomfire Warlock, and then taking the 8th ed sculpts and bridging them back to TOW.
They basically did the same thing for the old Empire kits when they made the new CoS kits.

>>95973543
Dwarfs too

>>95972593
I was expecting the worst but honestly 10/10 post
particularly
>If you model an imperial baggage train with camp followers, some of whom are in states of undress with a comical reaction from a statetrooper, you will be an unfathomably based king

Did the devs ever say why they combined the original lores of magic to be just a couple of lores that share some of the old spells?

How bad did Ogres/Mino Beastmen get hit?
They never seemed to be that oppressive but the changes feel like they got shafted pretty hard.
Infantry are more durable, have more attacks, have more combat res, will be in bigger groups thus harder to get through

>>95973589
You mean why instead of Lore of Fire, Light or Heavens we instead have Battle Magic, Elementilism or Illusion instead?
Those were the Spell lores from the old 1st -3rd edition of WFB, and they justified it in-universe by saying that since this game takes place before Teclis came to the Empire and educated the humans in how magic works properly.

>>95973607
Oh. What did they have for 4th through 8th edition then?

>>95973635
The Eight Winds of Magic system that replaced the original system we see in TOW

the goddamn shark loli is breaking 4chan again

>>95973663
Didn't she retire?

>>95973679
they are never gone for long, she's back as an indie

>>95973659
Oh I'm sorry I misread your initial reply, thought you meant rh 8 winds of magic were from 1-3.

When did Teclis establish the colleges at Altdorf? I kinda like the 8 winds system better, hoping that TOW gets back to that in later editions.

>>95973700
That happens just after the Great War, so 2303 so we are still thirty years away in universe time till we get pure winds of magic spells

>>95973679
She came back as an indie and is immediately pushing merch and making loli jokes.

>>95973707
Does Hololive not allow Loli Jokes?

>>95973663
Explain.

Are there any good WHF/TOW black library books focused on the empire? I've read most of the g&fs, and some of the dwarf focused books, but would like some centered on imperial characters, Karl Franz or whoever else.

>>95973743
It's Brainrot, it's not worth your time to think about it

>>95973832
Karl Franz doesn't really show up outside of being an ineffectual side character in books like Drachenfells and Beasts in Velvet but both those books are really good

>>95973607
Doesnt explain why they took my rancid visitations away

favourite wind of magic?

for me? its aqshy

>>95972817
If you want an easier comparison https://minicompare.info/?chaos-chosen-tow-2016-e=&chaos-warrior-2016-c-instrument-horn=&chaos-warrior-2016-g-sword-shield=&chaos-warrior-c=&chaos-chosen-aos-a=

Im using the new wariors and chosen, and the old warriors with greenstuff and bits as Forsaken (as GW never brought the kit back).

>>95973915
I still feel the wheel is incomplete and/or in the wrong order

>>95973944
>>95973915
Beasts should be rolled into Life and the spare slot filled with Ice to counterbalance Fire

>>95973944
It follows the additive color wheel, just with white and black hamfisted into the wheel, when they would more logically find themselves either swirling in the middle as yin yang, or one in the middle and one at the rim

>>95973720
Big respectable company, please understand.

>>95973944
wasnt the wheel designed in lore by the guy who thought that the colours opposite were the strongest/weakest against?

>>95974018
that's not additive

>>95974073
it's not really the opposites but the neighboring ones

thematically speaking, I don't think it makes any sort of sense, they just liked it that way, it also used to be in the rules I think

I think Wood Elves improved post errata. There is going to be a lot less magic missile spam now which was their main downfall, and more slow moving infantry which they excel at avoiding. Wood elf doomers are wrong imo.

>>95974136
Dragons only got better

>>95974166
Dragons auto lose to many infantry blocks now

>>95974136
Actually having similar considerations. Not having ‘oops all cavalry’ armies across the table means WE can much better evade. Also, with the changes to how troops at 25% of their starting unit strength are now worth 50% of their points, our missile troops can plunk off the last few wounds off a block (or even a monster) and net a lot of points.

a bit bothered by the change to poison, but out of all the armies that were impacted, WE actually have the BS to make their shots hit normally, so an extra +2 to wound on some of their shots will still help out. not ideal, but not nearly as ruinous as it would be for goblins or tomb kings.

>>95974185
>you need to take the shitty slow unit type that can't kill anything and gets defensive buffs so doesn't want to charge and will thusly just stand and get shot in order to maybe deal with the dragon that's definitely about to smash you
Bravo James.

>>95974136
I mean our traditional weakness of high armor shooters and cav still exist, dragons will still be a thing, and we're even weaker to high toughness spam (well t6 spam) so I don't think we'll be rolling tables. But it will be a little less gay for our Fairy fuckers due to more combined arms and the more slow melee infantry blocks return the better.

Do you think the Chracian Warhost has more play with the new errata'd rules? White Lions are pretty expensive, but they have a 4+ vs. shooting and they hit pretty hard charging or being charged.

On the basis of a rumor without a source I will momentarily halt collecting Ogre’s in anticipation for a future Battalion Box. On the plus side, maybe I’ll finish painting the ones I already have….

Is my maths and understanding of the rules correct on this?
Post errata you can only make supporting attacks if a model is within it's movement range of the enemy unit. The 2nd rank can make supporting attacks as long as the unit hasn't charged and spears now mean the 3rd rank can make attacks.
Since Clanrats have M5, that means that 7 models to either side of the models in in base contact of the enemy unit can make supporting attacks (CR are on 20x20 bases, 5" is 127mm so 6 models on each side are wholly within 5" and the 7th is just on the edge).
So if a unit of 60 Clanrats with spears was in 3 ranks of 20, and came was charged by a unit with 20 models in it, that was in 2 ranks of 10, all 60 Clanrats would be able to attack the enemy unit.
Is this correct?

>>95974419
enjoy 60 gnoblars

>>95974428
180 Gnobar box would be hot

>>95974428
>>95974446
>gnoblars replace ogres as a core faction

>>95974428
I already 6 free Gnoblars from the Ogre kit I bought already, what’s 160 more?

>>95974419
Hunters are very rarely good characters so I wouldn't recommend the current spearhead, but if you can get the previous one for AoS it's a pretty good deal IIRC. Tyrant, scraplauncher/ironblaster, 2 mournfangs and 4 leadbelchers and 6 bulls.

>>95974259
You are neglecting that outside of pitched battles with no objectives outside ‘kill the other guys’, infantry are what can hold objectives and claim victory. This is intentional, because if only killing matters, than the meta leans entirely towards the most Killy, which is why tOW has been dominated by dragons, heavy cav, magic, and generally anything extremely durable. No incentive to field 1w t3/4 troops otherwise.

>>95974610
>>95974610
>>95974610
>>95974610
New