It's not a game. It's a bunch of losers sitting around doing shitty "improv storytelling" that's identical to a bunch of preschool kids playing cowboys and indians (back before phones and ipads, it's be pretty funny to ask modern kids to play pretend these days and watch them be completely baffled).

Normal game.
>"Ok, you enter the dungeon. You open the door and see a hexagonal room with 3 doors in the opposite wall."

Story game.
>"Ok, you enter the dungeon. You open the door. Tell me what you see."

All the Redditors who kickstarted this will put it on the shelf next to their Funkopops and never touch it again.

>>95975566 (OP)
Because it's fun, Anon. Unless you mean a ruleslite game. Which I find kinda boring.
But Mechanics inform RP, and RP enhances the stakes of mechanics. It's pretty simple.

this is like the sixth story-game outrage thread you've made in three days. can you get some new material?

>>95975613
He's experiencing a sort of conceptual blue balls; he has this idea he really wants to rage about and be validated about, but either the threads don't go his way, get deleted, or go quiet and never pick back up again no matter how many times he bumps them. So he takes a breath and then tries again, over and over and over until he reaches whatever the equivalent of conceptual masturbatory climax is.

>>95975566 (OP)
No, you're right. I've never actually seen anyone play those games before. My group has valiantly made the attempt, but it's just too abstract.

>>95975566 (OP)
Considering that after all these years, I'm still not clear on what "story games" are, I'm really starting to think they don't actually exist.

A lot of story games don't get off of the ground because of the following:
>waifu character with a traumatic past who you can't disagree with because she's so beautiful and sad
>backstabber can't trust anyone else man who hates the party and throws a shitfit every scene
>player who wants a solo game and tries to get the party to jerk him off because of his tactical self insert warrior god genius
That being said, once you get past that point, they're pretty fun

How about instead of arguing about hypotheticals we try playing one right now? /tg/ has a built in dice function for this, after all. I’ll start:
>You come up the hilly road to the ruins of the old keep. It’s a bright sunny day, and the forests surrounding the keep gleam with green light reflected from the heavens above. As you pass under the gatehouse, you notice two small reptilian humanoids duck for cover as they load stones into their slings. They must’ve been the ones who kidnapped that damsel. Who is she? And what do you do?

>>95975721
>Considering that after all these years, I'm still not clear on what "story games" are, I'm really starting to think they don't actually exist.
>>95975705
>No, you're right. I've never actually seen anyone play those games before. My group has valiantly made the attempt, but it's just too abstract.


Exactly. They're so far removed from "games" you understandably wonder how they're presumed to occupy the same category. It's like sitting down with a bunch of hockey players, asking "ok, the captain of the other team takes a slapshot from the blueline. Does he score?" and then telling them they've just played a game of hockey.

>>95975740
>They must’ve been the ones who kidnapped that damsel. Who is she? And what do you do?

>>95975867
I have no idea what the fuck you're trying to say.

>>95975566 (OP)
this dude thinks you can pretend to be an elf wrong

>>95975872
>You remember you were here to rescue a girl, of about middle-school age. She was always pretty oblivious and air-headed, that must be why they targeted her.
>You freeze up in shock as the kobolds let loose their slings at you. You can only attempt to dodge. Roll for it.

>>95975721
It's a theoretical game in OP's head that's been stewing there after seeing an image he didn't like on Twitter 4 years ago. It's a game where there are 3 players and one DM. Everyone is playing a pansexual trans tiefling, including the DMPC. All of their dice are replaced with those novelty sex dice. The DM has a bag of colored feathers that she/they draws to determine what new NPC they meet and fuck in their coffee shop dungeon, and if at any time the sex dice come up double instead of gay sex everyone bursts into tears and talk about how their fathers beat them growing up for looking at a Barbie once.

In OP's mind, this game is a memetic virus that infects and corrupts good Christian hexcrawl adventures and turns them into copies of itself. People are buying the gay tiefling books instead of OSR games that he also doesn't buy because buying things you like is a Jewish psy-op or some other excuse. OP has never played a hex crawl, had friends, or rolled dice that weren't randomly generating dungeons he'll never play games in.

>>95975566 (OP)
What specific games did you have in mind when you made this thread, OP? Name a couple of systems so we can discuss whether anyone plays them and whether they work the way you think they do.

>>95975566 (OP)
That's not what games with a focus on story are and you're a fucking retarded niggerfaggot troon chud that deserves death for your retarded opinions. My life would be immeasurably improved if you fucking killed yourself.

Please unironically kill yourself.

>get a canister of helium, some rubber tubing, and a bag
>put the tubing into the cylinder and the other end in the bag
>turn it on
>put the bag over your head and hold it closed
>inhale
>the inert gas won't make you think you're suffocating, instead you'll just black out in seconds

You really should do it. Everyone here hates you. Your mom and dad love you, but you're such a disappointment to them because you had all this potential, but instead chose to waste it and be - well, you're not a NEET, but you're close. You're a disappointment to them. Yeah they'll cry for a bit, but in like a year they'll be happy to have moved on from the low-grade stressor in their life. It'll be even faster if you have siblings.

You really should do it.

Guaranteed replies.

Cucks big mad in this thread! Must defend the "games" no one ever plays!

>>95976004
>niggerfaggot troon chud
You ever been so mad it briefly united the Internet?

>no one could possibly play this
>it's basically an ordinary kids game
Explain how you can hold both these opinions at the same time.

>>95976004
>Please unironically kill yourself.
41% is always the solution with you guys, lol.

>>95975659
It's a shame, the rest of the sane majority have already BTFO your shitty faggot storygame concept so many times we're just kind of tired of discussing it. OP just came along too late.

>>95976555
So, what are these storygamesthe "sane majority" has BTFO'd? Like, what specific games are we talking about here?

>>95976055
Never believe that anti-storygamers are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-storygamers have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

>>95975929
Hello?

>>95975566 (OP)
>filename calls it D&D art before then clarifying that it’s actually from Daggerheart
Nani?

>>95976820
>>filename calls it D&D art before then clarifying that it’s actually from Daggerheart
You're either under 18 or over 65, aren't you?

LOL the poison is everywhere

>>95975566 (OP)
bait used to be believable

>>95976849
>powerful mage in a setting where literal resurrection magic is commonplace
>full body restoration costs like 6 months wages of a footman
>lets make him a floating wheelchair that still has wheels for some reason even though it floats

Making a character become crippled only works if your setting even allows for permanent injuries to exist without a magic do-over button.

>>95975566 (OP)
Ironic. For someone complaining about other people playing games of pretend wrong, OP’s not imaginative enough to even provide a proper strawman for his bait argument, cause that is one of the weakest attempts to circle this “story game” meme I’ve seen in a while

>>95976849
>95 KB JPGLOL the poison is everywhere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi451AgGGhQ&t=112s

From the latest WoW update. I've never played WoW but the main protagonist being a negress makes sense, if there's one thing black women love it's WoW and they make up nearly 25% of the player base.

>>95975566 (OP)
I was about to come in here and shitpost in what I assumed was yet another case of innovative tactics being warranted, but the scenario you described is another I've never seen in practice. Actually, I remember it being hugely mocked and scored when something slightly like it was described as a play example for D&D 4e, with some stupid toddler declaring he found a treasure after avoiding a dart trap he made up.

I do think it's valuable to onboard good details a player adds to the game, but I think a good player also knows to keep that kind of thing tasteful and restrained. Really, it comes down to the group.

>>95976849
I genuinely think the magic floating wheelchair is malicious compliance. Not even leftoids are that clueless.

>>95976894
>>95976849
You know, I've seen and heard of (lol) deaf people who think being deaf is good and make it part of their defining character, but I've never once seen a human rhoomba do that.

>>95976934
>I do think it's valuable to onboard good details a player adds to the game, but I think a good player also knows to keep that kind of thing tasteful and restrained. Really, it comes down to the group.
A player can add to the game but it should be done probabilistically.

Unarmed thief is in a kitchen and declares "I find a butcher's knife"? Fine, give it to him. He's in a guard room? Reasonable chance there's an extra eating dagger lying around, give him a very generous 4 out of 6 chance and let him roll. He's in a uncultivated field, no, there's no dagger lying around. It's not "rule of cool bro!" to give him one. "Oh, and I find a Potion of Flying that a previous adventurer buried here! She was an adventurer of color too! You're not going to stifle my creativity and deny my super cool idea, are you DM?"

>>95976954
The point of representation is not about self insert but acknowledgement, the issue is these forms by literally slapping wheelchairs carelessly on things makes a mockery of disability due to its non-existent reasoning. The manner its done borderlines mockery by itself.

There's plenty of media, games and systems which acknowledge disability and the causality of becoming crippled as a intrinsic part of their writing without making a mockery of it.
The issue boils down to d&d and derivatives from it having no concept of crippling nor permanent injuries in any way whatsoever.
Thus by having any ailments easily curable turns anyone who became crippled and chose to stay so into a mockery.

In life if someone becomes crippled they always choose to try and receive treatment, people spend their entire life earnings to even approach recovering some mobility which was lost. Its why having being crippled a choice in setting is such a mockery of it.
Becoming crippled just happens, and its adversity, without control and without true recovery, something which limits and hinders you, which is why fighting past the limitations of disability matters.
GURPS works well because the moment you lose a hand you don't get a magical hand back as per default, you may given setting, but the expectation of the rules is taht you will have to play around it.

>>95975566 (OP)
You haven't been around toddlers and little kids have you. They STILL do that.

>>95976555
>sane majority
>OP
OP, you're about as subtle as a floodlight.

>>95975566 (OP)
I don't know how you expect me to play CoC without a story.

>>95977349
Roll a d20 to see how many bullets your investigator puts through their head after seeing another black lesbian in a wheelchair

>>95977078
>You haven't been around toddlers and little kids have you.
Neither should he.

>>95977453
What's with you and wheelchairs?

>>95976555
Nice trips, but you wouldn't need to keep making threads if anyone actually agreed with you.

>>95977689
OP seems to be scared of them for whatever reason, cause they keep posting art of random fantasy people in wheelchairs

>>95975566 (OP)
I don't believe you've ever played a tabletop rpg at all yet your whole life revolves around screaming on a street corner about other people doing it wrong.

>>95975566 (OP)
>the rpg part of ttrpg is bad and gay, the thread
When will you hysterical autists figure this shit out, not being a CR fan or a troon or a Redditor or an annoying manchild or whatever else is as simple as not being those things. It flows through the essence of everything else you do. Meticulously comparing yourself to individual details of how these people live is just going to turn your entire relationship with DnD into schizobabble like this. Did you know Redditors and CR fans also drink water?
>losers
>preschool kids
You just haven't escaped your insecurities about people thinking that that's what YOU are for playing DnD at all, you're not emotionally mature you're constantly performing and renewing a false maturation that lives and dies by taking a game so seriously that likening it to a game or using it as a creative outlet is an insult to how seriously it should be taken. You are a child's idea of an adult and every single fucking thread like this needs to be auto-filtered using keywords and the OP permanently banned. You're all fucking faggots. DnD campaigns will have plot, they will have characters and there is absolutely fucking nothing you can do about it.

>>95980810
>When will you hysterical autists figure this shit out, not being a CR fan or a troon or a Redditor or an annoying manchild or whatever else is as simple as not being those things.
When will you hysterical autists figure this shit out, not being a communist or a troon or a Redditor or a pedo or a groomer or whatever else is as simple as not being those things.

Open the borders and flood the country with third worlders! Defund the police! Groom the kids! So what, just ignore it, it doesn't affect you. So what if it ruins the place where you live, just find another place to live!

>>95976894
>Wheelchairs not invested until TL 5
Kind of bullshit given what we see in 1655.

>>95981407
Thats not a wheelchair, thats a cart. It has the construction of a cart and works as one.
The first wheelchair which is anywhere close in construction and capability of modern chairs is from 1794.

Mobility aid in the form of wheeled carts are as old as the wheel. The gurps memes refer specifically about wheelchairs, which means things akin to>>95976849 >>95975566 (OP) >>95976894 which uses light, ergonomic and easy to propel design intended for easy hand maneuvering and very high mobility, at least as far as a literal tiny vehicle can have.
The wheeled platforms and carts, including the 1600's and early 1700's aristocratic models are nothing close to a wheelchair in construction effectivity of use.

Btw >>95977045

>>95976954
Wheelchair lad here it fucking sucks being born a cripple for life. Take good care of your legs bros.

>>95981407
>Kind of bullshit given what we see in 1655.
That's because until capitalism came along and made the West incredibly wealthy, a cripple was put out of his misery rather than society expending resources to make his life 10% better. If he wasn't part of a rich family willing to support him, he begged in the streets until he caught pneumonia or leprosy. Now under capitalism, we have 40% of the population contributing absolutely nothing and yet we keep them at a standard of living with education, housing, A/C, internet, medicaid, etc. that even medieval kings couldn't enjoy. The modern wheelchair exists solely due to capitalism,

>>95975566 (OP)
Historians are going to look back at this time period and spend a great deal of time and brainpower trying to work out how the ascendant cultural class managed to all accrue so much lead poisoning compared to the regular population.

It will be seen as a great mystery, they will contrive all manner of explanations, foreign subversion, mass hysteria, estrogen from birth control in urine being recycled into the drinking water.

None will have anything kind to say, I assure you of that. Nobody is going to look back at the glorification of ugliness, injury, deficiency and mental illness and think "these people were kinder than their forebears."

>>95981650
>capitalism resulted in improved quality of life for disabled people
>we have evidence of cavemen taking care of people with crippling injuries, birth defects, and other problems
>meanwhile your average disabled person in the us can't marry another disabled person without both of them losing benefits

>>95981670
>>capitalism resulted in improved quality of life for disabled people
>>we have evidence of cavemen taking care of people with crippling injuries, birth defects, and other problems
>>meanwhile your average disabled person in the us can't marry another disabled person without both of them losing benefits

>Historical crips have Quality of Life 1/100.
>Modern crips have QoL 50/100 thanks to charity from normies.
>Normies have QoL 75/100 due to legs
>Crips: "Waaaaaaaah, you haven't completely overturned society so I can have QoL 51/100! So what if it would requiring so much destruction that you too would fall to 51/100! I want it I want I want and you're evil unless you give it!"

How many hair colors do you currently have?

>>95975929
>>95976660

No you see, now that you've asked for a roll it's no longer a storytelling game and therefore ontologically inferior. The moment you include any form of random resolution or the most minimal of resource management you have created a slop OSR-like for chuds only.

>>95981729
spotted the american

>>95981670
spotted the euro, yet another euro W

>>95975929
>>95981768
This. The resolution is more like "you attempt to dodge, tell me how that goes" and i say "it was close, but i'm fine" and then you go "oh, ok. carry on" also i beat the kobolds and save the jailbait

>>95982117
>This. The resolution is more like "you attempt to dodge, tell me how that goes" and i say "it was close, but i'm fine" and then you go "oh, ok. carry on" also i beat the kobolds and save the jailbait
Because no one actually plays story games, they don't understand this really is how they're MEANT to be played. They have some fuzzy fantasy of sitting around a table with the cast of Critical Role and, they don't know, somehow trading quips and miraculously telling a story together that's better than below-average fantasy bookslop.

Hence why there isn't a single Youtube of people playing a non-performative story game (I allow there may be one where fat women and their simp dress up in costumes and film it for attention rather than any desire to play the game). It simply doesn't exist.

>>95982155
Aside from people not playing storygames, no one ITT seems to be even able to define a storygame or name one when explicitly asked. What games count as storygames? Are these games that exist rather than ones people complaining about dreamed up? Do people talk about these games and supposedly play them even if they don't actually play them? OP posted a pic from Daggerheart, do is that supposed to be a storygame, and if so, what makes it one?

>>95975566 (OP)
It depends what you mean by story game. If you mean the kind of thing where the players improv random shit like in your example then I'd be surprised if that lasts. It's explicitly for hipsters who want the appearance of gaming without any of the work that goes into things like learning rules, writing or reading modules etc. I've never heard of that hanging together longer than a session or two. "I don't want to make effort" isn't a good basis for keeping a group going given that dping so requires, you know, effort.

Doesn't help that a lot of the games in that genre tend to be mid at best, and railroadey and unpleasant to play at worst.

In terms of campaigns which tell a story I'd say that's the norm, especially in systems like 2nd ed dnd an epic story was expected and I find sandbox games (Go to this area and fix random problems) very dull without some sort of narrative.

>>95975566 (OP)
I dunno nigga as someone who used to do online ERP there's no issue having fun just coming up with a shared narrative and playing it out

>>95983103
True. ERP is the ultimate storygame, and probably the most popular form of RPG.

>>95982939
If they define their terms, then it's harder for them to cause outrage.

>>95977469
You make a good point. I guess it's a good thing that he wasn't around the little shits. Would try to groom into being gay trans commies and all. We already have too much people who would groomed and diddled by these woke commies.

Storygames can be great though.

>>95981729
>Caring for disabled people even slightly more would "overturn society"
You people suck so much million and billionaire cock its unreal. Go lick a boot and then tell your local politician how grateful you that he gets to fuck you.

>>95975566 (OP)
As GM, I ain't avoiding breaking shit incidentally. Players thinking they can twist my arm and force me to accommodate something like that without any kind of pushback from the game world always gets my hackles up.

Oh, you think my campaign is such a cakewalk you can get away swanning around with just a lute or performatively lumbering along in a modern wheelchair? You need to adapt your characters to the game world, not the other way around.

>>95982939
The best I got is that it's a bunch of angry autists who seem to explode in outrage at the idea of a roleplaying game having some kind of starting narrative rather than just being an automated dungeon crawler like a more sterile version of Hero Quest. Although that's just a guess, since much like every other strawman that exists, hard-defining this "storygame" stuff won't ever be done because then they can't complain about it forever by expanding its nebulous definition to everything they personally don't like, much like "freakshit", especially since they love to try and integrate it into [current year] geek culture squabbles to confuse what their problem is even further.

>OP posted a pic from Daggerheart, do is that supposed to be a storygame, and if so, what makes it one?
iirc, Daggerheart has some kind of mechanic where players and the game master can spend a meta currency to basically retcon in details into certain scenes, with the only game advantageous/disadvantageous usages basically depleting the entire stock in one go, implying the main usage is to throw in really minor stuff for fun. Not my cup of tea, but given that every one of these "storygame" threads has at least one fa/tg/uy obliterate their diapers by implying anything higher than a context-absent hex crawl on graph paper is a "railroaded storyshit game", I can only imagine how much they loathe the mere thought of some idiot child asking for there to be a chicken in a scene for no reason other than because they find it funny.

>>95982939

While OP is a massive faggot more concerned with how scary the disabled are, the general idea of a "story game" is that it's a nicely illustrated book gather dust on a shelf that you paid $20 for to just do full-on improv instead that is at best tangentially related to said book.

There are a few based "story games" (first edition of >>95983536) but these all are actually games with rules and mechanics, and as such get sneered at by the kinds of people who unironically refer to themselves as "story gamers" and normal people call them TTRPGs anyways.

There's nothing wrong with freeform roleplay or ERP or whatever, but don't try and tell me that there's a game component in there. Shit like Wanderhome is basically the cutoff for "no longer a game" because it is afraid of even using the token system it has.

>>95976555
>the rest of the sane majority have already BTFO your shitty faggot storygame concept so many times we're just kind of tired of discussing it
I like how OP said this stupid shit, made this thread anyways, and then no one agreed with him.

>>95983092
>It's explicitly for hipsters who want the appearance of gaming without any of the work that goes into things like learning rules
There's games like "Yazeba's Bed and Breakfast" which are more like a collection of queer soft roleplay prompts than any sort of game (although it does incorrectly affect the trappings of a game with "unlockables" if I remember correctly). Lots of other itchio slop, of course, with people making up elaborate, pretentious bullshit for why their games with no dice, no rules, and no point are totally real games and not an excuse to make people pay to read their amateur microfiction.

But that's never what's actually being talked about whenever some faggot shows up to seethe about "Storyshitters" or "Storygames" and that's the most tiresome part. They don't even know about the depths of itchio non-game improv prompt non-games. I'm not sure they know what the fuck they're actually talking about, because it sounds sort of like an allusion to meatgrinder OSR dungeon crawls being the only real and valid games, but they don't seem to know anything about those either.

>>95984333
>There's games like "Yazeba's Bed and Breakfast" which are more like a collection of queer soft roleplay prompts than any sort of game (although it does incorrectly affect the trappings of a game with "unlockables" if I remember correctly). Lots of other itchio slop, of course, with people making up elaborate, pretentious bullshit for why their games with no dice, no rules, and no point are totally real games and not an excuse to make people pay to read their amateur microfiction.
So basically, roleplaying exercises, but for feminists? Cause I've definitely never come across anyone who placed them near the same realm of something like D&D to begin with.

>>95984375

The people who wrote these "roleplaying exercises for feminists" do, though, as do industry shills who have an outsized influence and that's the problem. The Wanderhome/Yazeba troon is now the lead game designer at SJG, so we'll probably get a GURPS that's all queer vibes with no rules, because apparently Wanderhome won a few awards and so now everyone wants their piece of the pie.

>>95981729
Why is it so hard to just give people that are crippled the same sort of access to mobility and care that normal people have?
Like, it costs money. But it's not even giving and advantage, it's just costing money to get them to the level that everyone else enjoys.

>>95984437
While I'm not doubting that there's plenty of industry shills who eat this stuff up, I'm not as worried for the sheer fact that DNDrones which make up the majority of the intended audience for ttrpg companies nowadays are so notoriously lazy that they'll refuse to play even these kind of roleplaying exericse games unless you somehow converted them to D&D 5e.

>>95984469
Cause unfortunately, not every crippled person is equally disadvantaged. Some people can get along with a cane to stabilize themselves, some can't move an inch without their electronic wheelchair, and trying to account for every single potential visitor's personal situation blows up a budget immensely.

>>95984514
Then that's the cost of having a society where everyone can enjoy it's fruits. If you can, you must. If you cannot. You must find a way to make sure it happens at some point.

>>95984566
>Then that's the cost of having a society where everyone can enjoy it's fruits
Considering that the homeless still exist, pretty sure we don't have that society yet by a longshot

>>95984469
>Why is it so hard to just give people that are crippled the same sort of access to mobility and care that normal people have?
>Like, it costs money. But it's not even giving and advantage, it's just costing money to get them to the level that everyone else enjoys.

Because it quickly turns to fat activists demanding hotels be torn down and rebuilt with wider corridors. Why is her demand unreasonable while yours is not? I bet you think it's great that public schools now require, by law, retards to be integrated with normal students so the one retard can ruin the school day of 24 other kids. "Don't you DARE give my little vegetable zoomie a lesser experience! I don't CARE if it costs 95% of the entire school budget! I believe in EQUAL OUTCOMES!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUewgUgAPDE

>>95984375
As far as hipster faggots are concerned, their soft roleplay improv prompts are just as much an RPG as D&D or anything else. It's very much part of the post-modernist mindset that nothing has to be anything, so a "game" doesn't have to be anything. It doesn't need dice or rules or even a point, and even though it's unintentional, I suppose they don't need anyone to play them either. It's po-mo, so you can just make up whatever you want, I guess.

People might wonder how this affects them. I got into a group of randoms online. They're all woke, but I don't care. Later on another player joined. This player has no game sense, hates combat, and expresses a desire to RP despite RPing the least. Found out they were trans about three years later. Not that I couldn't tell, more confirming something I never dug into. During that time we've had a rotation of DMs, and that DM and I joke about the gay agenda. Sometimes it feels like we have a diversity quota.

>>95985443
> Why is her demand unreasonable while yours is not?
Because you can work out to get rid of being fat, but you can't work out to regrow your fucking leg or spinal cord

>bet you think it's great that public schools now require, by law, retards to be integrated with normal students so the one retard can ruin the school day of 24 other kids.
Not really. Ideally said kids have at least one class to themselves where they can be supported for their disabilities, and other classes that are integrated with the rest of the school so that they aren't stunted socially. That's what nearly every school I went to did.

>>95985800
Sounds almost like a problem that solves itself tjem, though I know the flip side is that most of those artsy fartsy types spend the time they don't spend gaming by going into online rpg spaces and making idiots of themselves.

>>95985443
>you made a ramp so people in wheelchairs can have access
>now you must support these other bizarre, impractical things
>also consider this picture of some stranger meant to make you hate people you don't know
>also here's a ragebait video
>I am very smart

>>95980810
This. The opposite of love isn't hate, it's apathy. I don't give a shit how many onions latte enemas the CR cast takes daily. I could care less about what they or any other wokies do. I don't follow them, I don't buy their products, I don't play their products, I just don't talk about them.

>>95976849
>Even in the other side of world
Damn

>>95984514
>trying to account for every single potential visitor's personal situation blows up a budget immensely.
spend less on APCs for cops then

>>95986880
Cute.

>>95986938
>businesses fund APCs for cops

>>95986880
>post-apoc sci-fantasy has wheelchairs
>the wheelchair character specifically fights from long range, judging by the sniper
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOW, such a one to one comparison!

>>95987308
What do you think taxes are?

>>95987326
>it's okay when china does it

>>95987199
No one has a problem with wheelchair lolis because it's a completely different aesthetic. It's like how no one has a problem with female soldiers -- if they are also waifus. It's the combination of DEI characters and ugliness that creates a problem. You can't have both unless you're mentally defective.

>>95987336
It's okay when the west does it too, so long as it's fun and/or cool.
Also Blue Archive is korean

>>95975566 (OP)
You see, anon, the concept of having meaningful interpersonal relationships is so inconceivable to these people that they need to play make believe that they have friends and romantic partners. That’s a bigger fantasy to them than fighting a dragon or dungeon crawling.

>>95987326
>the wheelchair character specifically fights from long range, judging by the sniper
uhh no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrrsFaSxGiY
>Made in China

>>95988186
>>95988207
FUARKING Wheelchair GODS, I kneel

>>95982117
>This. The resolution is more like "you attempt to dodge, tell me how that goes" and i say "it was close, but i'm fine" and then you go "oh, ok. carry on" also i beat the kobolds and save the jailbait

This is the key post. Setting aside all the humorous mockery, it's fucking crazy that this is what story gamers believe people want to play. It's not a game. There's zero challenge and zero risk of losing. Girls' pee wee soccer provides more competition and drama. It's improv theatre at its absolute lowest level. Only a bizarre shut-in like Ron Edwards and his rpg.net groupies could come up with it.

>DM: "The dragon crashes through the cavern ceiling and attacks! He breathes a hurricane of fire upon you! What happens next?"
>Player 1: "Uh... I roll and avoid all the fire! I, um, shriek my slogan Orc Lives Matter and, uh, well..."
>Player 2: "I jump up and shoot an arrow into his eye and the dragon dies and his belly splits open and showers me with gold and I'm now the king!"
>DM: "Whoa, we've really created an amazing story here, gang. It's a narrative that rivals any fantasy novel."

>>95988186
I stand unlike her lmao corrected but also wheelchair sniper CQC gunkata is so stupid it loops back around to fun again so I'm giving it a pass

>>95988357
So what exactly is a story gamer, anon?

>>95988357
>It's not a game. There's zero challenge and zero risk of losing.
I've been playing D&D since last millennium and I can tell you that most DMs keep their parties alive with the same diligence. For all the pretence of opposition, it's a pretend wargame for people who can't hack it at other children's pursuits (and I say that with love).
RPGs aren't skill based games, provide no challenge, and shouldn't be played by competitive people. The DM lets you win every time you do.

>>95975566 (OP)
If you took this picture back to a 1980s DND group what would they say?

>>95988401
Most DMs can’t keep a group together past 3 months. I let my players die, fail, fuck up the story. There’s no fun without risk.

>>95988392
>So what exactly is a story gamer, anon?

>Literally provide example of story game
>bUt waT EXActlee is A storee game???

This strategy worked so well for you with "What is a woman" you're sticking with it, huh?

>>95988401
>RPGs aren't skill based games, provide no challenge, and shouldn't be played by competitive people. The DM lets you win every time you do.
Not everyone subscribes to the Fat Colville "proudly fudge the dice to tell muh epic story" school of DM'ing. That's a zoomer thing.

>>95975566 (OP)
>Normal game.
>>"Ok, you enter the dungeon. You open the door and see a hexagonal room with 3 doors in the opposite wall."
>Story game.
>>"Ok, you enter the dungeon. You open the door. Tell me what you see."
How is one of these better than the other? You're either a loser doing math or a loser doing improv, but the key aspect is that you're still a loser either way.

>>95986880
>>95986938
>>95988186
>>95988207
Ever since reading a review of Two Arms and a Head, I can't enjoy wheelchair girls. Can she feel her legs?

>>95988548
Beyond the fact that I asked "what's a story gamer", not what's a "story game", though that would also be nice...That's still not an explanation, that's a cop out, you pathetic gelding

>>95975566 (OP)
Incorrect, I've played multiple games of Fiasco, and they've all been great.

>>95985956
>Sounds almost like a problem that solves itself
People still buy them, even if they don't play them, and the grift in business is faking it until you make it, and some of these faggots are able to leverage a successful kickstarter, meager itchio fame, and a nice looking book into career advancement. See >>95984437 where one faggot landed themselves a real job at a real game company because they made a non-game that won awards from other faggots and get namedropped by faggot-led news sites, and so on.

>>95988767

If you could actually bother to read the thread, you'd find a fairly sufficient definition of a story game, but clearly you are functionally illiterate so I'll try and simplify it for you, though I suspect the effort will be wasted.

>GM SET SCENE
>PLAYER SAY WAT DO
>GM SAYS OK, NO DISAGREE WITH PLAYER
>NO DICE OR RESOLUTION MECHANICS BECAUSE THAT IS EVIL BAD STUFF AND MAKES PLAYERS SAD
>GM SET NEW SCENE
>ALSO IF GM TRIES TO USE DICE OR ANOTHER RANDOM GENERATION METHOD TO SET SCENE OR DETERMINE ANYTHING ALSO BAD EVIL VERY IMPORTANT

>>95988357
It's very funny that Ron Edwards "invented" this story game vomit (more like codified it) but was never able to make a dime off it because he's a fat old bald white man. Meanwhile 28 year old trans lesbians of color kickstart the feces into 5 or 6-figure kickstarters, jobs at WoTC with absolutely zero experience, etc.

>>95988929
Legitimately never seen that ever happen. Frankly, I think you made that shit up entirely in your head to be angry about.

>>95988929
Okay, could you name an actual "storygame" that actually has the resolution mechanic of "just say how it resolves"? Because I'm pretty sure it only exists in your head.

>>95988357
As someone who actually has played story games, people will purposely "lose" if the drama and the story is going that way. You'll be surprised how many people just want to rollplay an heroic sacrifice.

>>95988929
Give a system to check if that's how it's supposed to go or if you're just playing the game wrong.

>>95989074
>Legitimately never seen that ever happen
Correct. It's never happened because no one has ever played a story game due to how idiotic it is prima facie.

>>95989289
So you're complaining about something that doesn't actually exist outside your imagination. Got it. Your words, not mine.

>>95975566 (OP)
I have unironically done this once, it’s fun when limited.
>you find a chest containing an item of great power that hasn’t yet reached it’s full potential. What is it?
The players said it was an egg.
Later on,
>you decipher the ancient script found on the chest and discover that it says a single word. Is it Shadow, Mind or Power?
Etc. fun campaign that unfortunately fell apart due to mental illness (real).

>>95988533
I played through the entirety of the '80s, from fourth grade into high school. Mid to late '80s group would immediately reject this picture for it being anachronistic in a traditional Medieval fantasy world. They would say the same thing about RPG art from the late '90s to the present day RPG having characters wearing modern day sleeved jackets (like Aragorn in the Peter Jackson movie) and corsets on the outside, or JRPG sci-fantasy clothes. Though they'd be hypocritical about tall boots and breeches instead of low pointy shoes and woolen hose. They'd also laugh and mock it, as we weren't overly sensitive pussies back then.

>>95989116

This is literally Yazeba's Bed & Breakfast and Wanderhome, both incredibly successful story "games"

>>95989508
>>This is literally Yazeba's Bed & Breakfast and Wanderhome, both incredibly successful story "games"
This is like calling your recreational softball team in a league of two, in a town of 500 people, "incredibly successful" because you won the Tiny Town Annual 4th of July Championship.

>>95989586

>Name a story game that works as you describe

Sure, names 2 biggest story games in the space that work as described.

>Uh, actually, because they don't take up 90% of the total market like D&D, they don't count.

They're building a new football stadium in my city soon, but they're short a few guys. I'll put your name down because I heard they need someone to move the goalposts.

>>95988261
>misses point blank shot
my fukken sides

>>95989744
You're the incel trying so desperately to cast the illusion that these so-called "story games" are common enough to be a cause for concern, despite the two named chosen candidates being admitted by you as the best representations for the idea being two games that next to nobody has actually played. Can't complain nobody buys your stupid strawman after you've done nothing to prop it up for the crows

>>95988560
>Open dungeon door
>It's not an infinite number of mind players behind it, something the DM can do with his unlimited power at any time
>Get through door
He lets you win, anon. The DM has no budget, no limits, no army composition rules. It's not the kind of game where you can beat him unless he consents to be beaten by not defending himself.

>>95988533
My 1989 D&D character had a mechanical arm with a grappling hook in it. I doubt most people would have given a fuck, except the munchkins who would want to use it as a mobile gun platform.

>>95990209
>He lets you win, anon. The DM has no budget, no limits, no army composition rules. It's not the kind of game where you can beat him unless he consents to be beaten by not defending himself.

>Player 1: boots up Dark Souls, performs no-hit run without dying once.
>You: die 30 times in the tutorial, post rant on Kotaku how Player 1 only performed well because the devs let him. "The devs could have given enemies 100x more HP and sped them up 20x, therefore Player 1 didn't beat the challenge any more than I did."

If you DEI types spent 1% as much time trying to accomplish anything as you do inventing convoluted excuses, you might actually enjoy something in life.

>>95989508
>Yazeba's Bed & Breakfast
You forced me to go read some of this stupid book, it clearly has resolution mechanics. The fact that you don't like them doesn't mean they don't exist.

>>95975566 (OP)
Ok guys spoonfeed me please, is the autist complaining about PBTA and shit or what? What the fuck is a Wanderhome?

>>95987326
That is a lazy hacker, though, who is perfectly capable of walking but just too damn lazy and opts to stay in her wheelchair so that she can pretend that she is some frail, beautiful supergenius rather than a lazy-ass wanker who is too full of herself.

>>95990722
OP can't tell the difference between a doormat DM who lets players kill God and one who says "uuuh, there's some valuable art in the chest. You tell me what kind, but it's worth about 200 gold"

>>95990689
False equivalence

>>95976630
>But they are amusing themselves
I don't know. They seem pretty mad. Is this nu-trolling where the "troll" puts in like 20x more effort than the people they're "baiting?"

>>95986938
This was the original basis for #DefundThePolice before it got co-opted by identity politics and leftist's shrieking about irrelevant nonsense. Hmmm. Come to think of it, the same exact thing happened with Occupy Wallstreet.

Really causes one to ponder...

>>95990690
>Flip a coin to see if something happens
In the strictest sense of the word, that is a resolution mechanic, but it's not a strong one, and as you can probably tell us now, there's no actual fail state as you play through the specific stories the creator expects people to play out with that soft RP prompt masquerading as a system.

>>95991699
No, it's possible to fail on planning a surprise birthday party, for example. The players who are not Gertrude write down where the party will take place and hide it, and every time Gertrude fills up a track, she can guess where the birthday party will take place, and then forcibly cancel the party. Why hate on a game system you clearly know nothing about?

You're right in that the game does not include a mechanic wherein people at a Bed and Breakfast are all killed by goblins, though.

>>95991699
Is a normal Yes/No resolution but always 50/50 instead of a curve depending on stats.

>>95990761
>who is perfectly capable of walking
She's got generic asian girl wasting disease, doesn't she?
>lazy-ass wanker who is too full of herself.
And that's what makes her cute! CUTE!

>>95990972
No, NO you NEED to be upset at each other! Here's another crumb for your culture war

>>95990972
You will find that that the modern American leftist mindset champions things that are fundamentally good/okay ideas at their core that have been taken to illogical extremes. Like, wanting better public transport and urban planning turning into "no cars, at all, and make cities so you never have to leave them and also there should be a slave caste of taxi and delivery drivers in case I ever need a car!"

>>95988261
wew

>>95975566 (OP)
I kinda do this for inconsequential things, like letting the table decide on what magic item they get instead of rolling on a table, having them describe an NPC I didn't prepare for or having them decide what their failed skill check would look like.

In Daggerheart, I just saw the 95-foot colossus Ikeri, Injuries Untold, get one-turned by two level 1 PCs.

Sorcerer (Primal Origin) uses Unleash Chaos and spends 3 Hope on a Tag Team Roll, and 1 Hope to add a relevant Experience. Success with Hope. Damage roll 9, below average.

Ranger (Wayfinder) takes 1 Stress for Ruthless Predator with a longbow. Damage roll 13, above average.

Sorcerer takes 1 Stress to Manipulate Magic to add +1 target. Ranger spends 3 Hope to Hold Them Off to add +2 targets.

The attack thus has a total result of 22, beating Ikeri's severe threshold. Ikeri's left arm, right arm, left leg, and right leg each lose 3 HP. As stipulated in the relevant statistics blocks, this instantly defeats Ikeri.

Each of the two PCs involved gains +1 Hope as part of the Tag Team Roll.

>>95988261
This is what anon DOESN'T want? What a fool

>>95986880
>>95987199
>>95987326
In this specific case is a fetish thing not so much woke signaling

>>95985911
>Because you can work out to get rid of being fat, but you can't work out to regrow your fucking leg or spinal cord
Except it's a roleplaying game. It's not real life, nothing except your stubborn pride forced you to play a crippled character. Ill put a disabled ramp in my house for my players, or maybe even in a modern day game if it makes sense, but not in my fantasy dungeon.

>>95994972
Sure, but some people just want to play themselves. I don't have cripple friends so I've only seen it with regular guys, but it happens.

>>95994982
>but some people just want to play themselves
Self-insert fags are hacks lacking imagination and I'm not obligated to enable them

>>95994982
Most players with disabilities I've met know it's a game and play characters with traits they don't have in order to get away from the bullshit of their daily life. The ones that do play with disabilities in-game are almost always cognizant there's going to be setbacks and don't mind if they need help getting up a flight of stairs or get looks from people in the game, but they're usually not doing it to self-insert, they're doing it cause they have an idea for their pc and are willing to deal with the consequences of it. You know, like a regular human being.

>>95994982
>some people just want to play themselves.
As >>95995107 said that's literally not the point of an RPG and it's not always going to be possible in any case. A Richard Dawkins style noisy reddit atheist couldn't expect to get far preaching that in a game of Only War for instance.

>>95994982
They can want a lot of things, my point was that your assertion that they can't get out of being disabled doesn't apply to their character in a roleplaying game.

>>95986880
>implying that wheelchair ain't stylin'
I just think the western fantasy wheelchair inclusivism aesthetic is lame. Mate it look fun/cool/stylish and I have zero complaints.

>>95995176
>>95997140
>>95997140
"Doesn't not apply to my game" Is valid. "Should not happen in any game" Is nonsense.

>>95998547
Like, I agree, but generally the ones using those words are those who preach that it's ableism for disabled characters to ever be hindered by their condition in a game.

>>95975566 (OP)
>I am THIS autistic
Sorry to hear, OP

>>95990722
It's summer.
OP is bored.
Everything else is an attempt to kill that void he has in his life now that school is over.
And since for past 3-4 years the biggest try-hards are going all "OSR manly-man, no modern bullshit", he's going full retard with similar concept.
There is no actual substance or meaning or even pretense of discussion in those threads, it's just spam to kill time

>>95998547
The issue is more activists crowbarring it in to *every game* when they can, even ones where it doesnt make sense. Not everything is bland slop for everyone.

This cripple talk is a decent excuse for me to share a wheelchair story from my Rogue Trader game. Also contains what OP might deem "storygaming". In this instance, it turned out pretty well.

>Be the party's spymaster-type character, high Fellowship, massive brain
>Decide to get an even massiver brain by installing some brain doohickey cybernetic
>Ask the party's resident tech priest to install it
>About as hard a failure as one could get, I can't remember how exactly he screwed up that hard but it was bad
>Offer the lobotomite's player a few options as a consequence for the botched brain surgery: suffer facial paralysis (penalising his Fellowship rolls), paralysis of the legs, or lock himself out of getting the brain upgrade permanently
>Seeing as politicking and deception were his bread and butter anyway, not combat, he relinquishes his kneecaps

From here on he basically became a Professor X crossed with Baron Harkonnen type character. It was actually pretty cool, he was always the guy to cut deals with the major movers of the campaign and plot their eventual betrayal, relying on being underestimated. When he came into possession of a Fear rating much later, he invested a bit into more cyber gizmos to let him indirectly control his legs. When a fight broke out, he'd basically stand from his cripple throne and scare the shit out of the enemy.

Fun ass game. Great character.

On that note, the 40k games actually featured a full on combat wheelchair all the way back in a Dark Heresy adventure. We didn't use this, of course, I just think it's pretty stupid and funny.

>>95999213
For how the dakka chair actually looks in the book. Even features a spiked bumper, with which to run over altarboys and the homeless.

>>95986880
>>95987326
These are ok, since I want to fuck them while their their legs limply and uselessly sit on either side of me. Just lock the wheelchair and go tk town until Im done.

>>95984469
>Why is it so hard to just give people that are crippled the same sort of access to mobility and care that normal people have?
>Like, it costs money. But it's not even giving and advantage, it's just costing money to get them to the level that everyone else enjoys
Because expecting equal outcomes for everyone is retarded. Apart from /tg/ bullshit i also do trail running and from time to time the gubmint asks us to change our events to be more inclusive of handicapped people. By its very nature the thing that makes trail running enjoyable also excludes handicapped people. In a similar way I will never compete in wheelchair basketball because I will never be as proficient as someone who use a wheelchair every day or a public speaker because I am hearing impared and sound like a retarded porpoise having an orgasm whenever i open my mouth. People deserve a chance of trying to do whatever they want but everyone cant be equally good at everything

>>95999475
I think that's sound when it comes to a sport or some kind of proficiency, but this is usually a question of just basic comfort, making it so simple shit you have to do every day aren't a needless struggle. Also just a matter of dignity. Having to rely on a minder or a nurse to just keep yourself alive or go to the store when it doesn't have to be that way is probably demoralising as fuck.

>>95988261
>Wheelchair GODS
You called?

>>95990690
This looks like it was written by the guy who wrote the purple meringue mtg copypasta, I love it.
It feels like i am having a stroke while reading it

I am posting for the first time in months after waiting two minutes to solve a captcha just so I can say OP is a sad motherfucker who is obviously having a meltdown about something he's never experienced.

This is Jack Chick getting angry about "I declare Blackleaf dead," without realizing that even the most rules lite systems don't work that way. Imagine using this much emotion to hate something you've never done, never actually seen, but spend so much time angrily imagining that you think you can persuade people by ranting like a coked up hobo. The saddest part is there probably are social media zones out there now who will tell this guy he's right about everything, and he will never begin to realize how fucking stupid his posts are.

>>95975729
>Tactical warrior genius is a problem
Okay, I get the other two, but if the game says there's a war on and one of your players is a tactical warrior god genius, that's... I mean that IS kinda what all the players should be, right? Like you don't want them to just walk into dungeon rooms and fight Dr. Wily's robot masters, so they must be, I dunno, planning and using tactics and shit to avoid that. Unless you're complaining they do it all with dice rolls and make the GM figure it out? I dunno, you'd have to elaborate.

>>95999213
>>95999221
To be fair, Warhammer 40k features what are basically full blown grimdark interpretations of the iron lung fitted for combat, so a combat wheelchair is basically nothing of note

>>95999497
NTA but we're talking about wheelchairs in fantasy RPGs. Not, you know, real life.

Your characters won't be comfortable, they'll be lucky not to get mauled by a pissed off dragon, stabbed, incinerated, or whatever.

"Muh players comfort"
Bitch please. I'm made comfortable by chocolate elf girls with tits like a holstein cow, doesn't mean they absolutely have to be shoehorned into every RPG ever made.

>>96000713
NTA either but my man, at least read back through the thread. That was in response to improving QOL for real crips.

>>95987326
This lying slut can walk though

>>95999081
But is not in every game. All the examples are from games that have a very specific audience in mind. You don't see mechanics for this in Shadowdark for example.

>>95975566 (OP)
I enjoy playing them with my sisters and dad occasionally, they are total normies when it comes to ttrpgs, and so the open story based approach to the game is very appealing to them. Its a way we can bond and have some fun in a hobby that I enjoy but is very hard for them to understand. I haven't played many games with them, and they were never more than one shots, but years later, my sister still fondly remembers our adventure of a wood elf and a half troll rescuing villagers from a werewolf cult, with the funny voices we did for different characters and the impromptu charade acts we did to really bring the experience to life.

>>96000713
We had a player on CoC who was an old man in a wheelchair and it worked fine, not every RPG has to be high fantasy related.
Hell, I'm sure you could play something like that in WoD without issue.

>>95999645
If you Yeep your entire menagerie of Flubs you may instead incite and incident to replenish your horde of Jumbles and the renegotiate your long-term Scrump haul.

>>96001122
Ok, after reading through this godawful thread, I realize that most of you have never played one of these games and/or don't understand how to do it successfully. So I'll give some pointers, hopefully these will be helpful!
>1) Playing w normies is best for these games
- generally don't want to force in weird gender, lewd, or disability nonsense (I've never actually come across this outside of you guys here on tg, but I'll just assume that it does happen)
- Actually like the idea of traditional conan style sword and sorcery adventure, don't need complex magic or multi dimensional nonsense
- are willing to let you (the experienced rpg nerd) take the lead as long as you give them some input
>2) play as PC
- you actually have stake in what happens and will naturally want to make things challenging, but fair and fun
- other players feel like you are playing with them, rather than directing them

>>96001397
>3) make it clear from the outset that you, being the senior player, will be directing and guiding things, but will largely leave things up to ideas of the players and the dice, just stepping in to make minor changes to make it more fun
- actually follow through with this, don't step on their toes or manipulate the dice too much, but do step in and guide when necessary.
>4) PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD USE AN ORACLE OR THREE
- look, I know you guys are all chad veteran role players who have written more top tier fantasy literature than Brandon Sanderson and terry prachett combined, but this is not about your cool world building, this is about you players enjoying an experience you are all crafting together. Let the oracle decide how the adventure goes
Finally,
>5) have simple, consistent quest and combat resolutions
- probably goes without saying, but any time you spend more than 2 minutes on dice resolutions means you are not invested in the story you are collaboratively crafting. Slim it down to a d20, d100 or some other simple system for all resolutions.
That's the basics, there's more I could say, but I feel like you can probably figure it out from here. Obv it's not your typical gurps crunchy rp or even 5e slop session, but that's not the point. Look past the rp and "game mechanics" and focus on having a fun time with people who HOPEFULLY are your friends! It's supposed to be casual with a low barrier to entry!

>>96001410
Also, just want to state something that is not specific to this kind of game, but seems to be an issue that people in this thread brought up a lot. The "preschooler who just makes up what is happening" is not an archetype of player, it's how any new person playing any roleplaying game acts. In a "rules lite story heavy" game, you need to explain to new players why not to do that, AND explain what they CAN do in the game. make it clear that we role the dice first and then say what we do in accordance with the dice. I feel like I shouldn't have to say this, but so many are pretending like that is HOW these games are to be played, which is just not true. If that is how your games are played, that is your fault for not explaining how basic role play works. This is also where an oracle comes in handy, so you can rely on that for dictating where the game goes and how it progresses, rather than trying to dictate it.

>>95999081
Those activists can't make you add it your games. You can just ignore stuff you don't want.

>>96001868
Truth nuke

>>95999757
>I am posting for the first time in months after waiting two minutes to solve a captcha just so I can say OP is a sad motherfucker who is obviously having a meltdown about something he's never experienced.
The fact you're so infuriated that THIS is what motivated to post for the first time in months suggests otherwise, my obese blue-haired disability friend. Begone to rpg.net! Unless you got banned for only agreeing with 99.9% of The Narrative, lol.

>>96001122
>I enjoy playing them with my sisters and dad occasionally, they are total normies when it comes to ttrpgs, and so the open story based approach to the game is very appealing to them. Its a way we can bond and have some fun in a hobby that I enjoy but is very hard for them to understand. I haven't played many games with them, and they were never more than one shots, but years later, my sister still fondly remembers our adventure of a wood elf and a half troll rescuing villagers from a werewolf cult, with the funny voices we did for different characters and the impromptu charade acts we did to really bring the experience to life.
Good, sounds fun. Notice how ALL the examples of "b-b-but I played a story game" involve one-shots. With people who don't play rpg's and treat it like your grandmother treats a 4th of July game of Pictionary. It's simply another random one-off pass time. That's fine.

OP's point was no one plays story game CAMPAIGNS. Every one of the "refutations" are about the ONE time you played a story game.

>>96001868
>Those activists can't make you add it your games. You can just ignore stuff you don't want.

Just ignore it bro who care bro oh yeah here's the new art for your hobby no we destroyed the elements you like why do you care bro?

>>96002840
Sure, tells us what games you love so much that have those optional mechanics included, because I have the strange sensation it's normicore like d&d and pathfinder 2e

>>96002809
There's an entire general of people playing and running WoD campaigns...

>>96002933
It's not about playing games, it's about hating libs. He doesn't even play games. Even normiecore like D&D has so much 3pp shit that it barely matters what's published by the company except for the game mechanics of the core classes (and even then...).

>>96002840
Have you tried not playing D&D? You know there's a ton of smaller RPGs that have better mechanics, better art, better support, and better players?

>>96002809
Wrong, I have.

>>96002840
>I'll keep posting a picture that isn't in the books, but was in promo material specifically for a pride thing.
>That'll show 'em.

Reeks of nogames culture warrior nonsense.

>>96002840
Only a retarded nogames gets upset about image.

>>96002783
No, anon. What I need you to know is that I quit posting because I realized guys like you have become such a sad and miserable part of 4chan's identity. That dumb bastard who has becoming the whining old man we all used to make fun of when we were young and "with it".

You're sitting around complaining the internet is a series of tunes we can't dump things in.

You're mad that DnD is teaching kids to cast actual spells somehow.

You're complaining kids would rather fetch a Pokémon instead of fetching a pale of water.

You're old, you're out of touch, you don't know about the things you're angry at. Nobody who's playing a narrative style of game is playing the way you think they are. You aren't participating in these games, you're just frightened of what they might mean for your future. They mean nothing, you moron. For over twenty years now me and my buddies have been playing this time of game and making fun of your sorry ass behind your back, and you never changed. You never quit being the dumbass you were. You walked into rooms, fought your monsters, and celebrated every time you rolled a nat twenty like it didn't happen all the time. If we ever invited you to one of our games, you got confused and left our group, and our group was fine with that because you couldn't stay jn character and it slowed us the fuck down to deal with you.

There are still going to be PLENTY of slomo DnD players eager and ready to roll dice at monsters, sticking a ten foot pole into every tile of every room. A pot of people can't play any other type of game. I guarantee, your comfort zone will remain, and it'll continue to not change much because it can't, really.

>>95994767
people need to learn the difference between fetishizing cripples in the modern setting, and expecting your fantasy setting to have wheelchair accessible dungeons

>>96003609
Are you posting from a mental asylum or from Section 8 housing? Maybe you don't even know.

>>96003782
So you admit to being a scared old guy who is afraid of change?

>>95998547
If you can make it happen on your own, why do you need industry asspats of endorsement and kudos for being a problem player?
We all know the real answer, you want to try and force your faggotry onto as many groups as possibly by saying it's in the book with official rules and only a bigoted DM would deny something that's in the manual

>>96001130
>not every RPG has to be high fantasy related.
Good thing we're specifically referring to fantasy wheelchairs, retard.

>>96004397
>A whole bunch of shit anon didn’t say or imply in any way

???
Are you really so addicted to having people to argue with that the position of “nah, you don’t have to, but other people can if they wanna” has to have a double meaning?

>>95975566 (OP)
Are you saying you are a literal NPC, devoid of anything even resembling imagination and ability to visualise?

>>96004523
>stop having pattern recognition!!!
Why is it so vital to have official endorsement, support, and encouragement if you could always just play a heckin wholesome wheelchair barbarian?

>>96004675
Nta, but if you see patterns in random things, it's an early sign of schizophrenia. And I'm not even being coy here.

>>96004676
And right on cue comes rhe gaslighting, as if dozens of franchises haven't already been gutted by this specific brand of hypocritical concern trolling.

You also keep dodging my question since you're a disingenuous faggot.

>>96004683
>Schizo goes full schizo
Yes anon, it's a gliobal conspiracy against you, your preferred style of playing and also humanity itself. Everyone is into it.

Seek fucking help

>>95975566 (OP)
>doing shitty "improv storytelling"
Thats all tabletop rpgs in a nutshell.

>>96004397
>>96004675

Illiterate queer. Inventing shit nobody said wholesale isn't "pattern recognition", it's obsession.

>>96004692
>ur schizo! ur schizo!
Get bew material. You've run this one as far into the ground as nazi

>>95981392
you are a retard, man. whatever spurious connection you've drawn between these games and 'third worlders' is the result of a deeply malformed understanding of the world. your experience of roleplaying games is entirely custom. you are so scared of brown people on television that you wet yourself at the idea that they might outvote you and force you to play boardgames wrong

>>96004397
If you play with people who would do that them the issue is yours and no book or rule will help you.

>>96004683
Why do I feel that your "dozens" of examples wont come from actual ttrpg books and instead will somehow include /v/shit for sure?

>>95988560
Unironically, if you're the DM and fudge rolls for whatever reason (could be as aid or harm to the party) you're very homosexual!

I'm an oldfag and don't follow news. The image in OP is fake, right?

>>96006565
You're right, no need to fudge rolls, I just don't give the enemies any HP so they died whenever I feel like it.

>>96006593
Real. But it's from a game that as an oldfag you would likely have never heard of nor cared for cause it's from the Critical Roll crowd

>>96006607
Probably. We play Ars Magica, Traveller, One Ring and GURPS. I am not that old, but i didn't know the kids were this cringe these days. Or is this a millennial thing?

>>96006627
I'm a millennial, and don't have a fucking clue what this is beyond what I just said. Something to do with some loser's d&d homebrew magic flying wheelchair now being everywhere or something, I dunno. Granted, I'm also a filthy weeaboo, so maybe I just sidestepped into a different pile of crap.

>>96004683
Nobody is gaslighting you, you dumb fucking nigger. I'm plainly telling you that the problems you have are entirely made up because you don't have to keep consooming D&D. You can and should play other things. Go play ACKS. Right now.

>>96006593
Comes from the game that prominently features art of a character with large top surgery scars at the start of one of its chapters.

>>96006664
>Stop playing D&D
>Instead play ACKS (it's just D&D with some houserules)

>>96006593
Uhh

>>96006593
>30 KB JPGI'm an oldfag and don't follow news. The image in OP is fake, right?
No, it's real. It's from a new game called Daggerheart that has overtaken D&D in popularity thanks to 90% of new players seeing Critical Role as the definitive D&D experience. The art is very pastel and safe and tame and every depiction of a PC is shown to be smirking and confident they will easily overcome any challenge... because they will. The game literally says

>In Daggerheart, when a character reaches zero hit points, they face a "Death Move" with three options: "Blaze of Glory," "Avoid Death," or "Risk It All". "Blaze of Glory" allows a final, critical success action before death. "Avoid Death" lets the player avoid death but with consequences determined by the player. "Risk It All" involves rolling dice to determine if they live or die.

So you see, you can challenge Tiamat and level 1 and if you die, the consequence could be "my heirloom dilator is broken and I have to buy a new one."

>>96009498
How many Level 1 characters are getting in fights with Tiamat, exactly?

>>96009518
>How many Level 1 characters are getting in fights with Tiamat, exactly?
In real D&D, none. Because they would die.

In Daggerheart, as many as you like because you can't die. It's like beating a difficult video game boss. He might kick your ass 20 times, but you will continue to respawn forever. Eventually you'll get lucky or figure out his weakness.

>>96009536
>In real D&D, none. Because they would die.
>
>In Daggerheart, as many as you like because you can't die. It's like beating a difficult video game boss. He might kick your ass 20 times, but you will continue to respawn forever. Eventually you'll get lucky or figure out his weakness.
No, in both games, none, because you can't go fight Tiamat at level 1, it's simply not part of the game's structure.

This is like my dad's stupid rules lawyer that there's no rules for old age in 5e, so the aging-you-up effect from a ghost's Horrifying Visage doesn't do anything. It can make a human 500 years old but there's no rules for anything that happens when you're 500 years old so nothing happens. If you imagine some stupid scenario that will never happen in the actual game, where the GM got brain damage immediately before you got in it, yes some nonsense can occur. But not out here in the real world.

>>96009559
>No, in both games, none, because you can't go fight Tiamat at level 1, it's simply not part of the game's structure.
I see you're not familiar with Narrative Games, old man. Allow me to enlighten you how your first session would go:

>You as DM. "Ok, you meet your new party in the tavern.The local lord informs you about orc bandits that have been ambushing carava..."
>Player 1, a gender neutral flying frogman ninja-warlock-jester: "Um, no. I'm going to Move the Fiction is a different direction. My character is an orphan thanks to Tiamat killing my parents over jealously of their awesome child. So we're going to hunt down Tiamat now."
>Player 2, shrieking: "OMG YAS QUEEN! I have flying carpets for us all because it's part of my Middle Eastern heritage. Except for me, I'll be using my flying wheelchair. Ok -- and here's a Story Beat -- we're now in Hell outside Tiamat's lair!"

>>96007413
Yes and it has none of the "problems" you're complaining about. It was written by a Nazi, so it has art like this. Or is this also woke?

>>96009589
Here's what happens next:

>GM: "No, that doesn't happen. Anyway, the orc bandits have been ambushing these caravans..."
Like ask me how I know that you're a nogames.

>>96009606
>Here's what happens next:
>
>>GM: "No, that doesn't happen. Anyway, the orc bandits have been ambushing these caravans..."
And that's why you'll never have a new player under age 65 joining your group. Look, I understand you're going to say "I don't care just play your own game, young fellow." Fine. Great. Good for you. This thread is discussing the hobby in general. Your example is the equivalent of inviting some 30-somethings to play the latest multiplayer video game, then cracking out your Atari 2600 for some Donkey Kong. "This is what we're doing!" And then they leave and you have time to wallow in your 50 year old memories.

>>96009559
While you're dad is dumb for rules lawyering a 500 year old human being perfectly capable of continuing his adventuring career instead of literally anything else, losing the set rules for how mechanically young and old age affected your attributes as well as approximate maximum ages for each race is stupid.

>>96009669
>>96009559

>you're

Christ, there's know way your dad could be as dumb as me.

>>96009650
Based schizo. Yet I somehow manage to find people under the age of 25 to play ACKS.

>>96009589
>>96009650
If you imagine that all the players are as actively disruptive as possible, then the game will suck, yes. That doesn't really have anything to do with the rules, though. If all the players decide not to go in the dungeon, but instead to urinate on all the altars in all the temples, and get mad when they get smote by the relevant gods, then yes, the game will suck. That doesn't have anything to do with D&D, though.

>>96009498
Actual rule
>Avoid Death
>You avoid death and face the consequences. Roll your Fear die; if its value is equal to or under your level, you gain a Scar. You also drop unconscious temporarily; work with the GM to describe how the situation gets much worse because of it. You may not move or act while unconscious. You return to consciousness when an ally clears one or more of your marked Hit Points or when your party finishes the next long rest.
>If a player chooses the "Avoid Death" Death Move, there is a chance they might take a scar. If this occurs, they permanently cross out one of their Hope slots. They cannot use this slot to store Hope anymore. The narrative impact of this scar is to be settled between the player and the GM; for example, they might now bear a physical scar, a painful memory, or a deep fear.
>When a player puts a scar on their last Hope slot, it is time to end that character’s journey. The player should work with the GM to find a graceful and fitting way for the party to say goodbye to them at the end of the session, and prepare a new character for the next time they play.
so you wont die in session one but you increase the chances of dying further on the game

>>96009689
>Based schizo. Yet I somehow manage to find people under the age of 25 to play ACKS.
Is this you, Macris? DESU I will always have a soft spot for you managing Milo Yiannopolous back in 2016. He was probably always destined to be canceled, but he could have been such a great asset to MAGA. The right will always suffer from having fewer flamboyant queers (not necessarily gay) who appeal to young people who want to think they're "creative" or "artists" while exercising less creativity in their lives than the average tax accountant. Milo simply needed to rein it in by 20%, but I guess that's like asking Sam Hyde to rein it in. They wouldn't be who they are if they could do that.

>>96009598
It's probably is woke to anti woke tards because It has women fighting.

>>95975566 (OP)
why dont they just roleplay as... non-crippled people? or atleast have cool spider legs or some other means of transportation???????

>>96009960
I'm flattered, but I'm not Macris. I just happen to like his work - I think the man himself is a joke. But congratulations on outing yourself as a culture warrior instead of an RPG geek.

>>96005107
>Is actually, genuinely schozoid
>Offended when called out
Many such cases

Spine of Vecna

>>95986880
>>95987326
>>95988207
>>95988186
>>95999572
It's so funny how it's ALWAYS okay when slant eyes do it. The most chinless of anti-woke chuds will do backflips to justify why gayniggers from outer space are ackshyully based as long as they're in a yellow man's product.

>>96009933
Sounds like the hero points in PF2e that essentially make you immune to dying unless you really put in the effort to do so. I'm not a "Die instantly at 0hp" type but you can go too far the other way in making dying when the player doesn't want to all but a statistical impossibility.

>>96011527
At least the chinks are honest about trying to appeal to someone's weird cripple fetish with this shit

>>96011527
We never left orientalism. It's why retards complain about lootboxes yet are completely fine paying top dollar for a shitty gif of some anime girl. You should see /a/ whenever a nigress appears in an anime.

>>96012016
Given that Is a finite resource its more likely to avoid dead at lower levels. Also if everyone falls unconscious you're still at the mercy of DM fiat

>>95975566 (OP)
>that's identical to a bunch of preschool kids playing cowboys and indians
in the end humans are simple social creatures

>>96011527
Maybe I just hate ugly bitches. Ever think about that, fatty?

>>96011527
>And they hated him because he told them the hard truth

>>96017691
No need to samefag, fatty.

>>96011527
That's because we know it comes from a different set of motivations.
When it comes from the nips, it comes from 'Hahah, wouldn't this be awesome'
When it comes from the left, it comes from a place of hate and wishing to ruin shit for other people, the ill adjusted toddlers that they are.

The Japs have far, far more social credit to burn through before I start being suspicious that they're trying to be moralizing shitheads.
(You) meanwhile are so overdrawn that we hired a bailiff into the highest office in the land explicitly to try and collect some of the dues.

>>96017830
I always find amazing how people like you assume you can ready minds and intentions but in real life are unable to understand how even a child thinks.

>>96009498
>> It's from a new game called Daggerheart that has overtaken D&D in popularity thanks to 90% of new players seeing Critical Role as the definitive D&D experience
Why blatantly lie like this? how did you even manage to write this sentence? anyone who reads this will think one of three things;
1) this guy is retarded
2) this guy is obviously lying
3) maybe he's telling the truth, let me go look it up
>one simple google search later proves it's false
>he must be lying or retarded

>>96011527
One of those is a gook character though, and also doesn't really engage in any combat beyond hacking shit from her wheelchair.

>>96017830
>That's because we know it comes from a different set of motivations.
>When it comes from the nips, it comes from 'Hahah, wouldn't this be awesome'
>When it comes from the left, it comes from a place of hate and wishing to ruin shit for other people, the ill adjusted toddlers that they are.
Correct. The Japs will include her in the party and we like it because the character is cute and fun eye candy. We know they're not seriously implying a woman would actually perform well in an adventuring party, nor do they give her the personality of sour girlboss milk that she would have in Western media. It's not the humiliation ritual of Riri Williams replacing Ironman as a 15 year old ghetto queen building nuclear reactors in her basement and expecting viewers to performatively swoon over how realistic it is.

>>96019764
>a 15 year old ghetto queen building nuclear reactors in her basement
Correction: STEALING nuclear reactors and claiming she done built dats alls on her owns

This isn't even me being racist, her origin story is literally that she stole her suit and everything else she "invented"

>>96019764
>We know they're not seriously implying a woman would actually perform well in an adventuring party
I doubt they (or at least most of them) are retarded like you and make everything butthurt about women.

>>96020458
You know it smell crazy in this poster's room.

>>95999392
park and ride?

>>96018082
NTA but they scream their motivations to your face.
The whole point is to subvert social conventions for the sake of revolution.
At least that is what the guys who actually know what's going on know regular useful idiots might think they are actually being inclusive.

Meanwhile, non-Western artists generally are ruled by different ideologies that preclude them from this; they generally do want to add fun things for their own sake.

>>96009518
That anon is fucking retarded, but Daggerheart also has retarded enough powerlevels that I could almost believed it. I played the starter adventure and the GM decided to spice things up by adding an extra encounter with a kaiju-sized godchild-colossus. Two level 1 PCs proceeded to oneshot it with a Tag Team Attack.

>>96021217
>the guys who actually know what's going on
Again, you talk as if there were some type of rígid organization and you somehow are able to read and understand every person on It, instead of a bunch of different people with different opinions. I'm almost sure this concept Is followed sooner or later for some conspiracy theory.

>>96020954
lol