Thread 95976036

>Typhon sold out globally in less than a week
>Meanwhile Skaventide is still on store shelves
>Warcry is online only because the plug got pulled
KT won so hard, it's not even funny. Enjoy your last two years, before Age of Shitmar gets cancelled

>>95976036 (OP)
It's not so much that KT specifically won, it's that AoS lost, and that's something every game can enjoy.

I can still see your limited starter set still on shelves too. Anyways your games dogshit anyways, if it wasn’t you wouldn’t be trying to punch down.

>>95976056
>Start Set
>Limited
Smartest Age of Shitmar player

>>95976056
>Coping
>Seething
>Malding
Many such cases. AoS!

>>95976056
Started set is the only box that gets reprinted little bro, get your shit together before talking to adults

>>95976061
Ah yes, hive storm. The not so limited starter set. Anyways old and mordheim is for me not some game that’s so aware how shitty it is, that it needs a “solo mode”.
>>95976062
Off to /twg/ with you, the general is dying and I do miss you posting Asian girls there.

>>95976074
>Doesn't play AoS
>Seeths,copes and malds anyway
Whatever you say lil bro

>>95976074
Never been to /twg/, but nice paranoia you've got there.

Siege of Ghyean really mindbroke you, didn't it?

>>95976090
Great argument. Very nice. Age of sigmar is Sigmar is dogshit but don’t go trying to prop up the game that has every issue that warhammer 40K has but made more obvious as its focus. Oh, and enjoy your three year model lifespan.
>>95976094
The website is much, much smaller than it was.

>>95976143
>that has every issue that warhammer 40K has
Such as?
>Oh, and enjoy your three year model lifespan.
I forgot GW comes to my house and steals my models once they are no longer tournament legal.
Also, the classified list is a literal non-issue, just get a new team for 30 bucks, or did you plan on playing Kommandos for the next two decades at GW events.

Don't worry, I am sure the new strong diverse women models being released for AoS will turn things around this time.

>>95976143
>Age of sigmar is Sigmar
real shit?!?

>>95976155
>Oh, and enjoy your three year model lifespan.
I think he is refering to GW discouraging the use of older editions and models in their shops and tournaments and encouraging their mindless fans not to play with people who don't have the latest official products.

>>95976155
But what if he LIKES playing Kommandos? Why should he constantly jump from one product to another, just because the manufacturer says so?

It's not enough for Kill Team to win. I need it to be LOVED. I need it to milk my little gamer nipples for all its worth with new teams and terrain sets. I need NIGHT LORDS TO GET IN FUCKING STOCK FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

>warhammerfags hating on warhammerfags
uhh...

>>95976279
Then he can still play Kommandos at any setting except at official tournaments.
>BUT WHY DOES GW NOT DO RULES FOR EVERY KT TEAM FOREVER
Because there are already 40 distinct teams in the game right now and balancing a game only gets harder with each new team. Coming up with 50+ distinct rulesets which are all equally viable and fun is almost impossible.

>>95976279
>Why should he constantly jump from one product to another, just because the manufacturer says so?
What is Warhammer Legends?

>comparing different game lines with different focuses
What is the actual fucking point?

SXMAXISMS SISTERS!!!
WE MUST FIGHT THESE CHUDS!!!

>>95976056
>Anyways your games dogshit anyways,
So blinded by rage you repeated yourself top kek

>>95976287

Have you looked at a smaller LGS? I got my Night Lords from an overlooked place that's mostly cards and basically a clubhouse for the owner's friends. The large brightly-lit game stores always seem super picked-over.

>Enjoy your last two years, before Age of Shitmar gets cancelled

that would be funny because then 40k would be forced to actually make their own rules for their game systems instead of stealing whatver AoS did successfully the edition before

>>95976036 (OP)
It's funny you say that like you own any minis, cute little /v/irgin secondary.

>>95976036 (OP)
My brother bought two Typhon boxes, yet would not be caught dead plating kill team.
We often play warcry together.
I believe that KT box was devoured whole by 40k players/collectors.

>>95979317
Why the fuck would someone do that

>>95979317
I bought it and I already built and started to paint the Tyranids. Next weekend I should have both teams in a playable state.

>>95976036 (OP)
Threads like these are equivalent to arguing over if Pepsi is better than Coke and honestly you all deserve to choke on the spite and idiocy that compels you to give a fuck about them

>>95980763
It's worse than Pepsi vs Coke, it's the same company. It's like arguing over Coke vs Diet Coke and not just having a preference, but actually hating the other side.

Total retardation

>>95976036 (OP)
It's 40koids buying it

>>95979472
Doesn't want to wait 3 months until they sell the new raveners/servitors in a separate box

>>95978274
Kill yourself ND

>>95981485
>bro if you like coke that means you have to love diet coke too

>>95976287
Kill Team was loved during its first edition. Then GW took away most of the customization and forced people to have cookie-cutter kill teams instead of letting them build their own.

>>95976036 (OP)
Kill Team is the best GW game and you're a retarded autist if you disagree. People hate on it because it's an actual game of skill with actual interaction compared to 40k. You literally have to be retarded to think that I go You go, shooting someone army off the board before they have a turn is good game design as opposed to Chess with shooting and parrying.

You actually have to know how to flank and use bait and make trades in Kill Team. The person who is better at strategy wins in kill team whereas in 40k it's whoever wins the dice roll. How do you not feel retarded when your opponent is spending a half hour of your precious time to scoot a bunch of blobs around? Rolling dice when they shoot you is not interaction. Kill Team is an actual game; 40k is where two dudes take turns lining up soldiers for the other to shoot at. How can people trick themselves into liking that crap?

>>95979317
this is like bragging about shitting your pants and not wiping; not the flex or gotem you think it is.

Kill Team is shit on by 40k sois because you unironically need a high IQ to enjoy it. The hardest thing for any gamer to possibly do, afterall, is read their own rules and Kill Team requires one to do that, which is why a bunch of no games people hate on it.

Kill Team is the only game in all of Warhammer in which two dudes use fully painted models on a fully painted board and play with actual tactics and strategy.

>>95984096
You’re so right anon, fuck people who think kill team is regulated only for poor fags who have no means of playing any other game.

>>95984114
Why would people think it's for poorfags? My teams use 30+ paints each; I bought the core, Volkus, eight different kits, dice to match all of the teams, and so on. The actual poorfag game is Bloodbowl.

>>95976074
>Anyways old and mordheim is for me not some game that’s so aware how shitty it is, that it needs a “solo mode”.
I'm used to butchering the English language but what the fuck are you trying to say here?
what does Mordhiem have to do with KT?
I presume you're saying "no-no i don't play AoS i play mordhiem."
and as a Mordhiem player, warband, warband list, house rules now.

>>95984096
>Kill Team is shit on by 40k sois because you unironically need a high IQ to enjoy it.
Nobody playing a modern GW game (except maybe Necromunda) has above room temperature IQ.
What the fuck is the appeal compared it's own internal competition (necromunda) or say infinity.

>>95976302
40k players and AoS players are natural enemies, like infinity players and 40k players, or warmadhords and 40k, or historicals and 40k, or 40k and other 40k players.

Damn 10th Ed faggots! They ruined Warhammer!

>>95984397
>necromunda

easy answer is, kill team doesn't have its rules spread across 12 different books, 9 of which are out of print; it has one book to buy and then you are good to go. It also has an objectively easier rules system at this point. I want to play Necromunda at some point, but wrangling the rules for my old pewter squats is a task in itself, whereas I can look at every team's kill team rules on the app right now in seconds.

>Infinity
Not interested in playing ghost town games. I've been burnt buying into mainstream alternatives before. It's just easier to play the game that more people play in your area; simple as. I've never seen infinity in a store, nor ever seen it played. Even if it's good, I just don't want to have to fight the uphill battle of doing a small studio game again. And I autistically refuse to buy stuff online at this point, so if it's not local, I aint buying.

>>95984096
>The person who is better at strategy wins in kill team
wrong, whoever is playing marines wins in KT

>>95984260
Good ol' Bloodbowl, GW once again proving they can only create something of value when they're taking the piss.

>>95984413
10e made me switch to AoS.

Then they made AoS more like 10e.

I'm Hobby Only now.

>>95984599
Unironically, git gud. Marines are not that difficult to kill. Just about every team has a way to deal with elites. You have to combo hammer with your ploys and rules and equipment to melt one down asap and then when it's dead, the game is now in your favor. The only teams that are unplayable into them are Hunter Clade and Breachers.

>>95985072
just play kill team. your team rules are free. You probably already own one or more legal kill teams.

>>95985554
>Unironically, git gud
i do, by not playing anymore KT against other people this edition because its horribly unbalanced, homogenized slop, with boxes that do nothing except cater to 40kfags

>>95984096
>the best

I would not go that far, because everyone has a different taste, but its clearly among their better games, no matter if you look at old or new ones.
My Ravener squad will be done soon, and then i'll build the Servitors and the terrain.

After the Blooded, they finally released a team i really love.

>>95984470
All that bitching about people being lazy and braindead because they don't play killteam, only for you to admit being too lazy and braindead to play anything not mainstream.

The fact that kill games take as long as the actual game is fucking wild. What else can you expect when the person in charge of the game is a tranny though.

>>95986872
Can you say that again but in a way that makes sense?

>>95985623
>a team I love
>not using the correct heads, causing the specialists to blur together at the table
I hope you enjoy playing with the generic dudes rather than the specialists, otherwise people might accuse you of deliberately modelling for advantage by confusing them

>>95976287
I just started painting mine yesterday despite having them assembled since they came out.

>>95984096
>not the flex or gotem you think it is.
NTA but it didn't read as a flex at all, but rather an explanation and a true one at that. Kill Team is unambiguously subsidized heavily by 40K proper by GW turning basic 40K units into kill teams. If an ork player wants Kommandos he has to but KT Kommandos, if an eldar player wants Striking Scorpions he has to buy KT Striking Scorpions and so on. And these aren't just quirky little bespoke one-offs that you can optionally field in 40K like Arbites or all the other parts of the Agents of the Imperium line, there's a lot of Kill Teams made up of fairly basic troops and some are vital to the respective armies.

Why are there like 5 threads up at all times seething about aos' existence
Surely it can't be all old fantasy grogs ?
>t. Newfag

>>95988692
It's literally one of the jannies.

>>95983665
>Kill Team was loved during its first edition
I dunno man, it was pretty obscure back then.

>>95984470
>Even if it's good
Don't worry, anon, you're not missing much. Playing Infinity is just some elaborate contrarian larp whose only objective is allowing the player to claim they're not playing KT. The game itself is shit and the models look so lame they somehow make Primaris look good.

>>95984096
While I do miss the list building of the older one, the biggest issue I have with it is that there's no form of progression for your guys. There's a lot of really nice things that go hand-in-hand with progression mechanics but they just aren't there.

>>95988120
Thin your paints

>>95983647
You can have a preference, fair for someone to say "I prefer Kill Team over AoS"
But the antagonism is bizarre. You don't see Coke people going on hating on diet coke for example

>>95984470
Kill Team is laborious. The LoS and how deadly everything is makes it too slow.
Not to mention that because everything is abstracted, it feels like you're holding circles rather than actually doing something.
Necromunda is far more enjoyable. I got back into the Hobby via Kill Team, since j have picked up Necromunda, all my KT stuff has just gathered dust.

Also you need 2 books, Core Book+ House of.
Or just use Necroraw

>>95986872
It's 1-2 hours per game when both people know what they're doing

>>95987835
>People
I don't play with autistic random retards but with a group of guys I know since school. Noone will blame me for avoiding the silly looking heads and using the cool ones.

>>95976175
Jej. If the cavill show falls through, I'll bet GW is going to hate BlackRock more than /pol/

yeah i enjoy kill team, seems like a perfect combination of flavor and gameplay, the team your playing feels like whatver youre supposed to play if it makes sense. like most armies in AoS 4th feels very samey but every team here is different.

>>95983665
>Kill Team was loved during its first edition
No, it wasn't. It was disastrous.

>>95990592
It wasn't, because it was literally just a white dwarf article with rules and some conversion ideas. Some people played it, but that's it.
But if you actually meant KT2018, then it's somewhat right, people liked it first, but with their elites/heroes add-ons, they messed it up completely and it deserved to flop. It started promising and ended up being terrible.

>>95990650
>But if you actually meant KT2018
Anon, when people talk about KT it's always about the game that started in 2018 and its subsequent editions.
I'm sure some people have fond memories of the prototype versions, but let's not pretend they ever became anything more than niche game modes.

>>95990777
When you specifically say "first" I assume it is about the first version, and not the second. Either way, KT18 started out okay, and became dog shit, because GW had to rub their character models into a game about customized /yourdudes/

>>95976036 (OP)
I've spent a pretty penny on all four of those games - 40K, AOS, Warcry and KT

sad to see Warcry go, it's the best game to play with people who've never played these kinds of games before. it's good, quick fun without a lot of overhead. and that's probably because it doesn't do well with competetive players.

Shame about Hivestorm though

>>95990849
Spearhead kinda made Warcry redundant and AOS dosn't really need a killteam game anyway. 40k needs killteam because the one the core game is terrible and need too many models

>>95990860
Your point.?

>>95990865
I don't feel like Spearhead made Warcry redundant, the system is entirely different. I think what Warcry lacks is what AOS lacks in general - lore and flavor.
the only stand-out or recognizable war bands were the Stormcasts, Nighhaunt, Sylvaneth, the Idoneth and the Dwarves. Maybe the soulblight ones too.
the rest was whatever.

GW has so much potential with Warhammer Fantasy lore, given that the TW games are still very popular, but they just won't do anything good with AOS.

The premise of KT is cool - a small highly trained team of specialists are on a mission to infilitrate an enemy site and fight against another highly specialized team.
Warcry has... whatever the fuck pic related is.

>>95990902
>The premise of KT is cool - a small highly trained team of specialists are on a mission to infilitrate an enemy site and fight against another highly specialized team.
Warcry has... whatever the fuck pic related is.
>>a highly specialised team of specialists on a mission to infiltrate
Anon that's exactly what picrel is, like to a T
Anyway, even they are very different in scope and gameplay, spearhead and warcry are both "age of sigmar but small" in the general public's mind (again, I know that they're very different). Wouldn't surprise me if the whole spearhead cannibalizing warcry narrative has a lot of truth to it.

>>95990902
Lizard haters GTFO

>>95990902
Warcrys biggest mistake was to let in all the AoS factions instead of keeping the theme of different chaos warbands fighting among each other for their gods glory. The moment they let in stormcasts and the elves it just became some kind of mini AoS, and it lost all its appeal.
The same would happen if they would open up necromunda to the other 40k factions.

>>95990902
Killteam literally has no lore and flavor. Hell the entire “setting” around the current season is some big ass gun that no one cares about

>>95990966
I'm not hating on lizardmen/seraphon, but they have so many better models and these little murlocs

>>95991003
>The same would happen if they would open up necromunda to the other 40k factions.
You mean like Votann?

>>95985554
>You have to combo hammer with your ploys and rules and equipment to melt one down asap
Can we just murder every MtG player infesting this hobby? Using a bunch of prebuilt cards- I mean stratagems for some le epic combo that the devs put there for you to use isn't strategy and doesn't make a game better.

>>95984096
It has no customization, it wants to be Marvel Rivals instead of actual Kill Team

>>95989232
That's OG Combat Patrol, which was also better than the Marketing Scam it is now

>>95991294
Or like the genestealers. It's a slow process, and so far it's not too outright game breaking, but imagine they would release a book with rules for the various space marine chapters, orks, eldar, bids, Necrons etc.
All the flavour would be gone in an instant.

>>95991213
It might be you who does not care about volkus and the gun, but you can't claim there is no lore simply because you don't like it.
Have you even read the lore segments of each of the books?

>>95990860
>>95990902
I think spearhead made warcry redundant in that alot of people would look at spearheads as really good warcry starting points since you get a really good spread of things to use in warcry, and then just figured they might aswell try spearhead since just like warcry all the rules are entirely free and just ended up liking spearhead more than warcry, i honestly wouldnt be surprised if in the next year or two they officially put down warcry in favour of spearhead, and then launch something like mordheim for ToW

Gets Mogged by Shadow War: Armageddon

>>95976036 (OP)

I feel like Warcry while not being popular has a diehard fanbase. Underworlds keeps chugging along even though people don't play because painters who don't really play and AOS guys who want characters for their armies scoop up the sets.

I wonder if they'll bring back Mordheim.

>>95991450
>Have you even read the lore segments of each of the books?
I bothered with them last season, I dont think anyone has for this entire edition.

>>95991456
I unironically think there is a non zero chance mordheim, or something extremely similar comes back, GW is extremely picky and careful with wording for warcom articles and what they have in their videos, and they have directly referenced mordheim more than once in the past year or so

>>95991453
how can a tabletop game get mogged by a lord of the rings vidya?

>>95991213
It has the entire 40k Lore for you to draw upon and make up your own interesting missions. And Warcry had AoS.

>>95991464
It is clearly a you issue then. Volkus is fun. The whole idea of having a planet shaking gun is fun. If you don't like it, then that is fine, but don't pretend it's not there.

>>95991503
You have the entire lore to draw on, meanwhile every mission is
>Sergreant, capture this symmetrical grid of circles!

>>95991513
If that's the best you can come up with, I pity you.
My Dark Apostle has been on a long campaign to reclaim some heresy era artifacts for a ritual he wants to perform. Each game my Legionaries play is tied into this narrative. Might also not be the most creative, but it gives me the excuse to fight the various factions without too much of logical flaws.

>>95990865
Warcry is better than Spearhead, though. A shame it never caught on.
>>95990902
> Warcry has... whatever the fuck pic related is.
The original premise of warcry was chaos gladiators fighting to death for the favour of Archaon with some of the coolest kits GW ever made. Corvus Cabal, Iron Golems, Unmade, Jade Obelisk, etc. It’s just that chaos gladiators are kind of a niche thing which caused GW to bloat the system with sloppa.

>>95991530
It's weird that they went away with the whole gladiator thing, because it kinda works for Necromunda too. Hive gangs are also a niche, but it works. And those chaos warbands were amazing.

>>95991528
>these ancient artifacts are somewhere in this symmetrical grid of circles...Go my always identical warband!

>>95991568
You realize you can swap in and out operatives from your roster? And what is going on with you mentioning symmetrical? You don't have to play on symmetric tables at all. You know you can place your terrain however you want, right? I'm sorry if you are unable to draw a fun gaming experience for yourself. The way you describe it seems very limited and boring.

>>95991513
ah yes, because bighammer is so much different in that regard and narrative campaigns don't exist
sorry, I forgot that I'm arguing with people who don't own models and don't play games

Warcry could and should have been a streamlined necromunda/mordheim for just the minor chaos teams, the moment they expanded it for all the regular factions with those stupid cards it lost its identity and with it its purpose

>>95991604
>narrative campaigns
>for kill team
Thats more rare than seeing people play an edtion thats not 10th edition.

>>95991589
You mean the preselected operatives with no customization outside of a tiny pool of secondary equipment? Yes I am aware on how mind numbingly boring Nu-KT is
>>95991604
>KT isn't bad...it just as good at 40k
lol...lmao

>>95991654
>I don't have any friends: the post

>>95991656
>no argument
I accept your concession, nogames

>>95991689
Back in 2022 I organized a local KT club just to get people into 40k. Store owner dug out terrain for us and everything, it was nice. Problem started after the first few games, it was so fucking boring! Once you learn the game you realize that team play about the same way every time. Even the bespoke teams suffer from this. No customization, boring mission design and incredibly luke warm core rules. It's another GW game with an over reliance on special abilities to make it interesting. So every game plays to the same boring, standard core system while sometimes a special rule throws you for a loop. It's very much a game designed to sell boxes, since other teams is the only possible way to get any real variety.

>>95991654
Are you mad that people actually enjoy playing a game with a bigger narrative in mind?

>>95991723
It's just a rarity, 99% of kill team players only play matched play, tournament approved style games. I'm sure some people pretend its a good narrative game as well

>>95991656
Yes, exactly those operatives. You already admitted by your posts that you are unable to make up some more interest for your games.
I could elaborate but you will badmouth it anyway because you seem to set in your picture of the game as some boring tournament slop. As I said way above. It's absolutely a you-issue.

>>95991718
Why is it so successful then?

>>95990902
The Gnarlwood season had tons of lore and it was good. Problem was people just didn't read it.

Wait, you guys give a fuck about kill team "lore"?

Lol

>>95991734
It's incredibly easy to make up a backstory for a game, I could do it with chess.
>Little Pawn Pedro sees the Knight Knigel who speared his wife many moons ago. He triumphantly makes a charge, slaying the proud night. Seeing the incoming mobile castle he stands, sun on closed eyes, happy to see his wife once again.
You can do that with anything and I'm happy that you're getting more out of KT than most. But rules systems are incredibly important to help drive narrative. Modern GW design strips down everything that could tell a story. Interesting customization, asymmetric missions, accepting the dice rather than importing many tools to fix probability, just about anything to drive stories rather than.
>You deploy
>Your models perform about as well as they always do
>The other models perform about as well as they always do
>Whoever was better at circles and jerking off a secondary in the corner somewhere wins
That's every game and it blows. I would love if there was some love and care put into the game but that isn't where the money is. The cash cows, competitive players, have been the main focus of concurrent GW advertising. So every game is as stripped down as possible and it's a shame.

>>95991738
Because it's cheaper 40k, which is popular due to having cool aesthetics and a beloved setting. Also lots of MTG refugees seeking their next competitive fix

>>95991746
>>95991752
It always comes down to players. People stopped reading and stopped making up their own stories and at the same time, they whine that something like Mordheim is gone and will never come back. The players are the issue, not GW.

>>95991718
>No customization, boring mission design and incredibly luke warm core rules
>So every game plays to the same boring, standard core system while sometimes a special rule throws you for a loop. It's very much a game designed to sell boxes, since other teams is the only possible way to get any real variety
are we really going to pretend that literally any other GW game (spare MAYBE negromunda) is in any way different when you play it with some randoms in a sterilized environment of a game store? Of course in 95% of cases you'll either get meta sweats with their tournament-approved optimised lists or just people with their single army with their single loadout cause it's all they can afford
The real flavor almost always appears in friend groups where you are allowed to shoot the shit, have fun, fuck around and homebrew

>>95991757
You are sad anon. The rules of KT are super tight and just you seem not to like them. Countless of people like them, and the current KT version is way more popular than KT18 ever was, despite everything you think.

>>95991766
GW absolutely is responsible. Just compare an old rulebook to a new one. Old rulebooks had
>huge lore sections
>hobbying tips for making /yourdudes/ unique
>suggestions for custom scenarios
>battle reports written in a narrative style
>actual campaign systems, as well as ideas on how to make other forms of campaigns
>alternate game modes
Most of that is gone, it reads as a purely technical manual now. Make a video game, attract video game players.

>>95991782
I played with friend groups as well and we came to the same conclusion, there just isn't anything there to sink your teeth in. And if you're at the point where you aren't relying on the public to find games, why even bother with modern GW rulesets?
>>95991784
Popularity = Quality, as we all know

>>95991787

GW spent decades begging gamers for decades to act like reasonable people, take risks, and incorporate fun/RPG elements(Stillmania, A Tale of Four Gamers, escalation leagues, the general's compendium, etc) but were ignored.

I think they finally had to just throw up their hands and give in to the autistic neckbeards. So now half the modern FAQs consist of stuff like "yes, you have to deploy your guys in the deployment zone".

>>95991832
My favorite FAQ was from 9e 40k
>No, if you concede with more Victory Points you do not win the game.

>>95991843
What kind of rat instigated this ruling? Talmudic levels of logic.

>>95991787
Those new rulebooks do not appear out in a vacuum. Do 10th players really forget all the hobby techniques from the 4th? I certainly didn't. If you play with such people, how is it GWs fault?
They had those hobby tips, they had more lore (I still think there is plenty of decent lore bits, even in thin books like a KT release) and the players did not care.
Let's face it, the majority of GW Players does not like to kitbash, does not like to create /yourdudes/ and does not like to play narrative scenarios that might be unbalanced. No matter what game. There are exceptions of course and you see many of them post their stuff online, but offline that's often not like this.
I don't blame GW for making money and ignoring things that do not appeal to their audience. Because I can "consume" GW products still as I did back in the late 90s as a teen, I still can make up my own stories, I still can kitbash and even use 3rd party and printed stuff etc. GW certainly can't stop me, and they certainly can't stop people from sharing pdfs of those old books. And again, it's the current players who do not bother to read them.

>>95991795
>I played with friend groups as well and we came to the same conclusion

It feels stupid to even write it, but people are different and it should be obvious that not everyone will enjoy the same games equally.
Maybe for you and your friends, a game like Infinity or maybe Muskets&Tomahawk would be more fun.
What games do you like?

to those whining about lack of narrative play in KT, here you go: https://malev-da-shinobi.itch.io/mjo

>b-but it's not official...!
shut the fuck up

Warcry was doomed from the start, The day 1 AOS warbands and the many cheap bundle they sell keep it going but eventually greed and price hike killed the game for good.

>>95992123
Anon, those sections are stripped out as cost cutting measures so they can sell the books at the same, or higher prices with fewer pages. Modern army books are also suffering from this, my 10e necron codex is half the size of my 5e one. You don't even have to go that far, compare Chapter Approved books from 8e vs now.
>>95992168
I do appreciate the advice but we already play different games. Currently I've been obsessed with Chain of Command.
>>95992521
It's cool that they ported the 2018 campaign rules forward as well as bringing in stuff for solo / coop play. Ultimately the game is still totally stale due to the core rules. What the /v/ and MTG refugees describe as "tight rules" actually translates to simple and samey.

>>95992521
That is great stuff.

>>95992668
>What the /v/ and MTG refugees describe as "tight rules" actually translates to simple and samey.

Stay away and play your pseudo historical games then. Clearly KT is not for you.

>>95992668
>so they can sell the books at the same, or higher prices with fewer pages

What books in particular? Maybe you dont remember it, but 40k codex books in 3rd and 4th edition were pretty thin. The (good) 4th edition Tyranids for example was 65 pages, and 9th has 128.

Its also more expensive, but it literally gives you almost twice the amount of pages. And its hard cover. I'm not a super hardcore book nerd, but even to me it makes sense that hardcover costs more than flimsy booklet style they had previously.

>>95992668
>my 10e necron codex is half the size of my 5e one.

Why do you tell those lies if anyone can check the page amounts on the Lexicanum page or in their pdf collection Anon?

Codex Necron:
10th: 136 pages
9th: 120 pages
8th: 120 pages
5th: 96 pages

So no, your fucking 10E Necron codex is absolutely not half the size of your 5E codex.
But feel free to show the page number of your last page Necron codex. Mabye it really had 260 pages and my scanned version and the Lexicanum page both are wrong.

And before you now claim that it was actually 3rd edition that was such a thicc tome: Nope, It had another 30 pages less.

>>95991656
>Preselected Operatives
There are many teams that have more specialists then roster slots.
Legionaires,Nemesis Claw, Hunter Clade, Hearthkyn Salvagers. Ratlings can sup Ogryns or more specialists, Exaction squad can go all in on shields other specialists, Warpcoven can split between rubrics/sorcerers and tzaangors with distinct loadouts depending on the setup etc. You're retarded if you honestly want to argue that each kill team has exactly one roster that's always picked without deviation.

>>95992852
You're such a fucking faggot, holy shit, how hard can you dickride GW before your ass rips?

>>95992919
lmao. How bad does it feel getting caught lying?

>>95992668
>What the /v/ and MTG refugees describe as "tight rules" actually translates to simple and samey.
Every MtG player I've met hates KT though. And /v/edditors drop all games after two times playing. Your boogyeman story doesn't work.

>>95991730
It's got a lot of stuff that lends itself well to narrative style games, but hey I guess GW is chasing that competitive bag so whatever.

>>95992719
>trying to gatekeep a GW game
Kek
>>95992807
>>95992852
Most of the pages in the newer books are half empty

>>95993022
Because they are still MTG players, I'm talking about the refugees
>>95993173
Not really, always identical teams fighting over and over again gets boring and low-narrative pretty quick

>>95993302
From all his posts, its pretty clear that he did not enjoy the game at all. So how is it gatekeeping to state the fact that the game is not made for someone with his mindset. Would it be better to try to convince him that he should give it another go? Would it make any sense?

>Most of the pages in the newer books are half empty

Even if that would be the case, it would still be 68 pages, and 96 is clearly not double of 68.
It was an outright lie, and no amount of shifting goalposts will change that.

>>95992892
They let you bring Space Marine: Bolt pistol and chainsword vs Space Marine: Bolter
I'm talking about OG KT and Heralds of Ruin levels of customization, bare minimum stuff for a skirmish game of this scale

>>95993353
>I'm talking about OG KT and Heralds of Ruin levels of customization, bare minimum stuff for a skirmish game of this scale

Says who?

>>95993349
>erm your rough estimate wasn't exact enough for my autistic tastes
I know KT fans are autistic MTG refugees, you don't need to keep confirming it. nu-KT had a short life in 2018 before being killed by nu-nu-KT. It's dead everywhere I go, only tournament autists keep it alive. There is nothing for the casual player to invest into with nu-nu-KT, it's just cheap budget 40k.

>>95993365
Says me, do you want a peer reviewed source on skirmish game rulesets? nu-nu-KT is a *fine* game. It plays, you can have a decent time with it, but it's just a fad game to get people into 40k. A thread boasting about it's "success" which is 90% 40k players buying the kits anyway is just silly. It's just another dying GW specialist game, lacking any of the meat and potatoes that keep people coming back after it will be killed off.

>>95993366
Your point Anon? Aside from making it clear that you did not enjoy the game?
Do you want to explain how your "rough estimate" led you to claim that a booklet of less than 100 pages became 250+ pages in your mind?

>>95993389
Densely packed information, the new books are poorly formatted to inflate pagecounts.

>>95993380
>but it's just a fad game to get people into 40k.

And this is where you are completely wrong. That would be Combat Patrol.
When they abandoned the old Kill Team rules, they also abandoned the idea of using it as a 40k entry. Before it played like mini-40k. Now its a different game entirely, different systems, different turn sequence, different stats etc.

Even if some KT players might think they want "more of that", they wont find it in 40k, because 40k is not "more of KT", its 40k.

>>95993404
It goes Kill Team -> Combat Patrol -> 40k, but you are right, the divergence from just "40k, but smaller" has turned it into a niche sidegame only popular in Spain

>>95993393
Its hillarious how you try to wind yourself out of your lie Anon. Both books have pages full of fluff text, both books have pages with full page artworks, and pages with half page artworks. The newer books just have many more pages. Its as simple as that. Dont let your nostalgia blind yourself.
Its fine to like the older editions more, because of the better rules. But its just beyond retarded to claim the old books were bigger than the new books, when they clearly are not. Everyone can check this.

>>95993421
Looking at them I see tons of blank and missing space on the new book, don't see much of that in the old book. What's extra surprising is how the old books managed to be so much more information dense with less than half the units to draw from (for most factions).

Of course that is only one example. Core rulebook has less in it, chapter approved books have less in it, and so on.

>>95993410
Again, nobody will find "KT but more" in Combat Patrol either.
If GW really would have wanted that, why would they have changed the rules the way they did it. They could just have updated KT18, and it would have worked just as you describe it.

>>95993431
>Core rulebook has less in it,

You are desperate, aren't you?
The last numbered page of 4th Edition rulebook is Page 265, and thats a page with blastmarker cutouts.

I let you find out yourself how many more pages the 10th edition book has.

>>95993432
They will find more models on the table, that's how it works anon. KT is the cheapest option, Combat Patrol is a step up, and 40k is a step above that. You're thinking in terms of rules compatibility, not cost requirements. Nu-nu-KT IS just 40k but small. It uses the same models, same factions and much of the same language. But they've gone more of an Underworlds style of game recently, which is why it's now a dying game that struggles to move boxes to anyone but 40k players.

>>95993453
>which is why it's now a dying game that struggles to move boxes to anyone but 40k players.

And how does that matter? It sells out, when other stuff doesn't. So GW keeps supporting it.

>>95993450
It has 5 more pages, yet half the content, funny how that works

>>95993458
The success of KT is the thread topic, anon, but it is just a mirage. Nobody actually plays KT

>>95993460
And again, you claimed it has less pages, and again you lied. Face it, the old books were not thicker at all. Page count did not go down at fucking all.

Besides, its not 5 more pages, but 15. But hey, the old one might have double the amount of words, right?

>>95993482
It has less content would be a better way to put it, I'm still right

>>95993487
Let me quote
>Anon, those sections are stripped out as cost cutting measures so they can sell the books at the same, or higher prices with fewer pages.

So no, you are clearly wrong. They are not selling you fewer pages.

>>95993492
Splitting hairs, less printed words

>>95993497
You know that pdf readers have an word counter, right?

>>95993510
Less meaningfully printed words

>>95993311
Well yeah, that's because they took away all of the list building and customization which is a shame.

>>95993353
The fact that teams can range in size from 5 to 14 operatives alone reveals you to be a lying shithead

>>95993510
Shitty fluff shat out by some rainbow haired tranny =/= actual good info for hobbying and background lore

>>95976036 (OP)
I remember when Kill Team was a game mode you played with your already purchased minis.

>>95993803
Which team?

>>95993891
Raveners are 5, Wyrmblade and Blooded are both up to 14

>>95993824
Completely besides the point of:
>so they can sell the books at the same, or higher prices with fewer pages.
>my 10e necron codex is half the size of my 5e one

>>95993949
Those are different teams you tard

>>95993970
AI generated text and empty, blank pages are lower value than pages full of ink

>>95994020
So you're claiming every team boils down to bolter vs bolt-pistol + gun? Are you retarded? Death Korps for example can bring 9 specialists but has a selection of fourteen, plus four additional normal troopers.

>>95993311
>I'm talking about the refugees
So was I, retard. Sorry I didn't use the specific word to quench your autism.
Don't repply to me, it's clear you're just a fake grog faggot.

>>95994029
You are trying way too hard.

>>95993473
>Nobody actually plays KT
I see it being played at every lgs I go. Maybe, and just maybe anecdotal evidence doesn't really mean shit. Crazy, I know.

>>95993880
I also remember when Kill Team was a game mode nobody played despite already owning the minis

>>95991832
>GW WAS BEGGING GAMERS
>BEGGING THEM
>THEY WERE JUST SOOOOO MAD THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T DO IT
>IT'S NOT THAT THEIR LEADERSHIP CHANGED AND THEY DECIDED TO CUT COSTS BY REMOVING THESE THINGS.
>PLEASE PLEASE DON'T INSULT THE CORPORATION.
dude this is the same company that banned games in their stores.

>>95994049
Yup, premade teams, like I've been saying
>>95994064
MTG refugees have absolutely flooded 40k, you'd know this if you weren't nogames
>>95994094
I have seen more people playing Old World (two) than I have seen playing kill team in the last 3 years, it's dead

>>95994239
>MTG refugees have absolutely flooded 40k,

Where is this mysterious "40k"-place where they flooded to? Nobody in my club plays MTG, and there wasn't any big influx of new players since the pandemic, and i dont think any of these guys played MTG before either.

It’s funny because boarding patrol is more fun than kill team and combat patrol

>>95994316
I'd hope so considering Kill Team is a failed "T-Sport" and combat patrol is a marketing scheme