Thread 95981321

They ain't Twisted Sister edition

Previous Heresy:
>>95968861

>HH 3.0 Leaks
https://imgur.com/a/C7NLFxm
https://imgur.com/a/ThwkCe3

>New Edition Soon™
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

>New to The Horus Heresy? Here’s Everything You’ll Need to Get Started
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

>MEGAs are down for the time being, going to wait for things to cooldown with the new edition and leaks before bringing them back up

『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

>Thread Question:
What are you working on?

>TQ
Building an Iron Warriors meltagun squad. Then onto 20x bayonet Tacticals and 20x Despoilers.

>>95981321 (OP)
>What are you working on?
Nothing, but I'm currently thinking of getting into Horus Heresy so I'm contemplating
>making a Dark Mechanicum army?
>making a Iron Warrior tank army?
>making a cyborgy Militia army?
>Oporto for lunch?

Just make Destroyer Pistols cause Phage (X). The changes to Phage would make them stand out, innit

>>95981321 (OP)
Got kopaka's body base coated and washed I'm gonna drybrush and detail it tomorrow.
The good thing about it being so unbearably hot is not being comfortable enough to sleep as much as usual so I get an extra half or three quarters an hour of painting in.

>>95981321 (OP)
I wish I had a soulless, silent wife who had a big sword
>TQ
Jenetia Krole

>TQ

Another squad of despoilers/ass marines.

I am quite possibly the slowest painter known to man, considering some of the models I put together in the last batch predated 2.0 coming out, so by the time HH 14.0 is released, I should have enough models for a normal sized game.

>TQ

a hate fuel painting binge to try and get as many guys done before the end of June/Libres drop so I can have a painted army for the 2 weeks it takes for 3.0 to release and ruin my list.

>>95981321 (OP)
>TQ
Legiones Auxilia.

I am buying the Saturnine box and the Liber Hereticus for the best Loyalist Legion (XXth), then will peruse pirated copies to see if others pique my interest.

>>95981321 (OP)
Centurions! But I'm waiting for this ebay seller to wake up and ship my shit.

>>95981337
The Libers don't come out until almost August so I would avoid Militia for now. Can't go wrong with a magos and centurion at least.

>>95981774
>The Libers don't come out until almost August so I would avoid Militia for now.
Well that's my Birth Month so that's when I'd be making my purchases.

Might just snag some Stargrave Scavengers and Automatons and kitbash them into cyborg-o-chaff in the meanwhile.

>>95981321 (OP)
>TQ
Ultramarine Veteran squad.
Also considering starting a traitor army for 3.0. I already have an allied force of Sons of Horus, but want a full traitor army. Considering World Eaters, Death Guard, Emperors Children and Iron Warriors. Leaning towards EC and WE since my Ultra's are already a shooting army. Thoughts?

>>95981321 (OP)
>TQ:
A robot for my Solar Auxilla, gotta wait and see if iron pattern cohort is still a thing in 3.0 or if I’ll need to make an HQ for an allied detachment.
Using a 40K robot to differentiate from my friend’s purple Mechanicum army lol.

>>95981774
Pretty sure they said they release at the same time, it was the Custodes one that comes later

>>95981839
Wish we had updated Castellans instead of its redheaded stepchildren. I saw someone make them, but it was a limited batch and by the time I found about them, they were OOP.

>>95981790
Not enough EC in the wild, so my vote is them

I need the stupid knight defender to come out so I can get that plasma cannon for my next freeblade. I've had enough of painting FUCKING infantry I want to do some bit robots now.

>TQ
Working on my Iron Hands. I want to do OSL on this Power Sword, and probably add some Clan markings (Raukaan, I'm a sucker for them) on the armor. I'm also considering getting a Cataphractii Praetor but I'm uncertain of how good a headswap would look on him.

>>95982033
Nice Raven guard, now where's the iron hand

Since I hadn't realized the old thread had died before I posted I made PDFs of the Laius Rift and Tandaris Outbreak articles a while back if anyone is interested.

https://gofile.io/d/gMwH8X

>>95981970
Damn. Wish I had gotten some. I have a soft spot for the ones I painted because they’re so goofy but I love the classic RT style robots

TQ: Just finished a cata retinue and LR explorator, so now working on some Blood Bowl before figuring out what I need.

I should probably be putting together a new HQ with the assumption I'll need that, but I'm low on creativity to bash anything together, or even just find a good STL.

>posted two RG consul ideas
>my mind wandered and I'm imagining how they interact
Oh no
I have to build both of them

>>95982202
Dew it

>>95982202
Who tops?

>>95982202
You should have every consul for your legion.

>>95982304
Is this a Darkmech automata?

>>95982144
Will also add that I have a few Canadian WD's* in my collection and I'll check through them to see if there's anything interesting there.

*It's literally a pamphlet they would stick in with the US WD

Missile HSS, just in time for it to be (even more) irrelevant.

>>95982304
But the Emperor banned the use of Psykers at Nikaea...

Was Trajann Valoris around during HH? I doubt they'd make a newfag custode the captain-general

>>95982388
>virgin lascannon HSS pissing and shitting themselves as they shoot a spartan 30 times to try kill it, with shots getting deflected by cover
>chad missile user immobilising the spartan with a single cover ignoring glance

Honestly, the vehicles rules are so fucking cursed, missiles could legit be good.

>>95982423
Aren't Spartans immune to that now?

What will you be using your Saturnine box for?

Fucking posted the wrong image.
>>95982423
Don't give me hope, Tzeentch.

>>95982451
penis storage

>>95981321 (OP)
>TQ
Still slowly working on my legiones auxilia, but that's gonna get sidelined for a little since my LGS got a Raan in stock so I can finally get a praetor for my sallies. Have a schizo plan of the bits I'm hoping to use + backup bits in case some bits don't look good

>>95982528
Why does everyone use Raan as a base for conversions?

>>95982451

Probably a basic Bolter army. Maybe DG or IW, or something else that doesn't make me want to die while painting.

The termies might fill out my current army that 3.0 is going to woodchipper, but I am not sure yet. Too much is up in the air and unit force org slots and points values and I need to know whether the load out I have is even legal anymore.

>>95982528
>Nostraman birth
>Salamanders
What?

>>95982046
Oh sorry Anon, they're inside of their Land Raider.

>>95982451
I'm splitting up the box with a good friend of mine, and taking all the Mk.IIs so I can LARP that it's still the Great Crusade. (I really wish we had Eldar/Squat/Ork rules in Horus Heresy, I know it's a "Xenos should take a backseat" deal but I'd enjoy removing the Ork scourge on Terra/re-enact early crusade flashpoints via narrative campaign.)

Does melta fire beam, blast or burst? The depiction is super inconsistent across all media.

>>95982451
itll be a decent lunch

>>95982614
>Iron Hand
>Brown Fingers
uh-oh stinky

>>95982573
because he's a plastic character model that doesn't take much conversion work to make him fit a different legion? he's just a convenient base for converting space marine characters from.

>>95982573
A plastic, non-Terminator Praetor that's probably much easier to work with. The dedicated resin models might be a pain in the ass in many ways while not matching the scale of newer models, and the generic plastic Praetor kits are overdone. All IF iconography is easily replaceable, something like the BT Castellan requires you to hack off parts from his built-in pauldron pieces and swap out the backpack anyway.

>>95982668
Wait are there other terminator praetors in plastic.

>>95981321 (OP)
TQ
> I’m working on getting my damn printer to work. Just got the thing and adhesion with the pla shits itself after a few layers, and it feels like I’m just throwing solutions at the thing. I just want to print my sicaran ; (

>>95982696
>FDM

>>95982708
I don’t live in a place where I could properly run a resin printer ok. ;(

>>95982685
I mean, if you wanted a guy in artificer armor. There's the one plastic Cataphractii model that kinda sucks, yes.

Finally done modeling. Now its just scratches and gap fill to go.

>>95982800
honk honk

>>95982800
Cool.

How do you make/where did you get the reactive armour blocks?

>>95982810
i'm using royal model 1/35 reactive armor, its resin with minimal cleanup. I think you can get cheaper options from chinese scale model companies, but I can't vouch for those

>>95982800
Very very cool anon. The shitty casting of some parts doesn't serve your ideas and execution justice.

>>95981321 (OP)
Nearly finished a Spartan I pinched and stripped from my WB army to go to my IW. It's looking good so far. Cleaned up a Deredeo as well and basecoated it lastnight.

No progress pics yet though

>>95982708
Modern FDM(Bambulab) is very competent for vehicles

>>95981970
There is a guy who did Castellax/Castellan in the old school style
Should be up during the weekends

>>95983072
What the fuck is that torso?

>>95982446
Could be, but it would be in the liber.
If it's immune to glance effects though, a spartan is nigh indestructible without applying truly overwhelming firepower, or getting lucky with a bunch of meltas

>>95982573
I like it mostly cause of the pose and the fact his armour is ornamented but not ornamented enough to make him too flashy or gaudy; he's just a good body to build off of. I do have some other conversions planned but they are marginally less exciting as pictured here for this sallie libarian.
>>95982607
Something something GW has good proof reading. Honestly I could have an outdated copy of the book and they've fixed it by now but it's kinda funny

>>95983141
I always found it funny how the overseer makes for a far better chaplain than as an overseer, all he would need is a cape

>>95983160
Honestly I don’t think you even need the cape. At bare minimum all you’d need is to just swap the shoulders out and he’s good to go.

>>95981294
>>needing a guide to read some books in release order
Not in release order, but in chronological order:
Although the publishing of the Siege books have corresponded with the order of the events, the previous Heresy books have not. For example, the book Slaves to Darkness takes place after Beta-Gammon, yet Titandeath was published later.
There's also the matter of what books to include besides the Siege ones, to give essential context to the Siege per se.

>>95982144
Pure kino

3rd and 4th had the best articles

>>95983072
>Should be up during the weekends
Is GW really that lazy that only making them public on weekends makes them stay?

>>95982144
Stillman be praised

>>95983301
Yes,that has been the thing since forever,that GW's printing inquisition only works during the weekdays

>>95983343
lmao that's nice

>>95982144
Bless you anon, I remember reading these back in the day when White Dwarf was still good.

Why add SA as allies? Purely for bodies?

>>95983606
Because Militia doesn't have a Legiones Auxilia provenance.

>>95981321 (OP)

>TQ

Finally primed my myrmidons and got to work on them. They were a lot chunkier than I expected, but they should paint up quickly once I've gotten the main colours out of the way.

>>95983639
>Each main faction is getting a Liber book on release,* with free downloadable PDFs for the minor factions

To the guy thinking you'd have to wait a month for the Libers

>>95980919

The game took around 8 hours total to reach end of turn 4 for both sides.

including deployment. So not too bad in all honesty :)

In this Pic where russ shortly died moments afterwards xD

>>95983639
>table of contents: fucking nothing

>>95983639
>Master of Descent
>Augur Command and Control squad
but ofcourse

>>95983662
From the looks of it it's the equivalent of the booklets that come in 40k's battleboxes or whatever they're called. In which case it's not supplanting the proper campaign books we've seen in 2.0

>>95983639
>we’ve intentionally titled this issue “Part One” as a statement of intent
I don't believe you

>>95983639
>>95983645
Shall I take it the full core book and libers will no longer be published digitally as they have be?

>>95983639
>48 pages
>"that'll be $80 please"
>>95983645
Crossing my fingers that minor factions also entails the Shattered Legions, though from the look of things that might be coming in a journal somewhat soon

>>95981321 (OP)
>TQ
Getting ready to print out 720 auxilia rifleman for an apoc game

>>95983639
Libers for all major factions and PDF rules for the minor factions, all at release date? GW, you're spoiling us.

>>95983689
It’ll probably be Arcane Journal priced imo. That seems to the be the direction the SG Team is going

>>95983639
Did we really need 4 variants of the same weapon on the same squad?

>>95983712
$28 for 1 mission and a few units that should have been in the main books is a rip off.

>>95983715
>5 variants
Are vets gonna be able to take all special, heavy, combi weapons and pistol or is this just to push the disintegrator sprue?

>>95983639
But I don't want a constant stream of ne content, video games ruined everything.

>>95983717
Anon all books and minis GW sells are a rip off
Just wait for the free version

>>95983729
It's for all the 40k refugees that have infested HH since 2.0. Each time there wasn't something hew for HH being released for a month there was constant whining about it.

>>95983645
This was also announced when the Libers were announced so I'm not sure how people thought otherwise.

>>95983741
Doomers never let something as trivial as reality get in the way of their doomposting.

>>95983639
>we will be returning to this most pivotal of battles many times in the future
Please no. I'm so sick of the same few battles being repeated, especially the ones at the start of the war. If GW is really going to crank these books out at the same pace as the arcane journals, I'd prefer that they focus on smaller battles on worlds across the galaxy, to show the scale of the war.

I regret getting Ligma.

>>95983741
The rule of thumb with the warcom intern is to not believe anything they say until it's been confirmed several times

>TQ
Thousand Son kill team.
A friend gifted me a squad of Ruberic Terminators and nearly 2 dozen Tzangors...so i guess im building a Combat Patrol / Strike Force.
All done in Pre-heresy colors.

>>95983639
>Hyperios Missile Tank
How is that gonna work?
An anon the other day said the tarantulas don't fit on the tank rings

>>95983761
Original announcement was in the livestream though

>>95983639
>Master of Descent
That's Strike Captain Mauns title from the RG. He led a force to rescue Corax from the surface. The man is a badass. If his rules are anything to go by it's reroll reserves for deepstrikes, a drop pod dedicated transport, and he reduces scatter of pods still do. slightly mad it seems he's becoming a generic character.

>>95983729
they did this for Old World and it was fine.

>>95983758
Maybe the non-Isstvan V journals will present narratives more in the manner of the Exemplary Battles series.

>>95983767
Did they try a predator or Scorpius? Looks like it's supposed to be a Scorpius body.

InB4 libers don't contain legion specific units.

>>95983687
>Not stated in fluff that solar aux were at dropsite just imperial army
>legiones auxilia are classified as being "basically part of the marine forces, so where they went, they'd likely be there"
>Oh cool, that's a fun way for me to have the auxilia show up in some battles
>start work on proximan sacrementari for my dropsite salamanders I'm working on
>GW has now released a picture that revises the lore so solar auxilia are 100% there along with namedropping legiones aux cohorts themselves
>obviously the one I chose aren't there
You motherfuckers
I know this is probably just a skill issue moment but fuck I'm pissed. Time to figure out how to paint the rams up

>This will include two Legion-unique variations of Saturnine Terminator Squads
>But it's just a kitbash

>>95983761
For rules yes, releases no. If they say this product is coming out, it's coming out.

>>95983797
>giving a fuck about GW lore or named factions

>>95983797
I’m panting my Aux up for the DSM and am just ignoring GWs lore about it lol.

>>95983800
I wonder what the IW variant is gonna be
>Inb4 turbo tyrants

>>95983800
All of the units in these books are just kitbashes retard, that's the point, it's why they can pump one out every 2 months

>>95983817
I am absolutely betting it's either super tyrants using vehicle havoc launcher bits or an inversion of the original lore where Perturabo was the one who put heavy weapons on top

>>95983821
>doesn't just move goal post, changes venue
"Just a kitbash" means that there were no forthcoming rules. That's what the original argument was.
>It's just a studio kitbash it doesn't mean anything
>They do it all the time there won't be rules
>It uses bits from the command squad sprue so it's not its own unit, it's just a kitbash

Cool journel unit idea: cataphractii terminators armed with to spiked boarding shields that charge and body slam into things

>>95983777
They tried a sicaran. But the sicaran and scorpius have the same ring connector
Or at least the scorpius turret fit on a sicaran

>>95983739
Given the entire edition went by without core infantry options being available, and they had 5 articles about bringing back the arvus, I'm not too surprised.

>>95983836
Ds2maxxing

>>95983639
This is not enough content to justify a publication. Nobody will buy it and then they're going to wonder why the sales are bad and stop publishing them.

>>95983726
Blaster and Heavy is 1per5. I'd bet Destroyers get disitigrator pistols too

>>95983851
>This is not enough content to justify a publication
I am going to spend eleven threads straight laughing at you when this book sells out during preorders

>>95983859
Everything is going to sell out during pre-orders though?

>>95983639
oh look, day 1 DLC with extra steps

>>95983866
And thus the cycle is secured; profits are made and the product deemed viable.

>>95983639
They wouldn't go a put each legion specific unit and character in a separate journal, would they?
Cuz that's what they do in TOW pretty much...

>>95983884
Well it seems pretty clear they intend these to work just like the arcane journals for TOW

Reminder that the Martian Supplement was 168 pages and we basically got fuck all out of that and it was just a bunch of repackaged rules and unit entries

>>95983900
And the only part of it anyone uses is 2 of the unit entries. In 48 pages there's a very low probability of there being any worthwhile content.

>>95983884
Each Legion will be getting its own OW style splat book (just pray yours wasn’t written by the Wood Elf writers)

>>95983875
Until volume 2 comes out and there's no new edition hype to prop it up.

>>95983900
>>95983913
48 Pages has 3 new generic units and a Prime Advantage
It's more contents than legion specific characters at least
I'm not paying for it either way but the TOW journals have definitely been a lot more useful in general than the HH supplements

>>95983900
Still not as bad as when GW sold Dataslate: Meltagun.

They need to make Paperback versions of the libers and rule book

>>95983944
Hopefully GW will still sell digital versions as well, don't wanna break my back carrying around a pile of large books with half of the weight just being fluff pages. Otherwise here's to hoping a new saviour will take up the mantle of Scanon

>>95983941
when did they do that?

>>95983925
18 legions
mechanicum
solar aux / militia
custodes / sisters
dark mechanicum
demons
various campaigns

if it's a three year cycle, is the plan to launch one per month? it'll take half the cycle just to get through the legions.

>>95983955
The one that killed 40k, 7th edition.

>>95983960
This actually makes me think we might not see HH on that 3 year cycle after all.

>>95983639
>Age of Darkness Journals will be familiar to players of Warhammer: The Old World, who have been well served by their own Arcane Journals for some time now.
But Arcane Journals are utter dogshit.

>>95983960
Anon, Anon, Anon.
We don't finish things here. Just see >>95983681
We start things half-assedly and then leave them unfinished to focus on new edition.

>The armouries of the various factions is another rich vein, as will be the case with one upcoming journal taking a deep dive into the history and employment of Saturnine technology by the Legiones Astartes. This will include two Legion-unique variations of Saturnine Terminator Squads and a set of heavy-assault themed missions. Another will look at the superheavy tanks of the Legiones Astartes, providing a play mode and other gaming options that make games based around one side fielding these armoured behemoths a real challenge, for both attacker and defender.
Leviathan FOC bros . . . Are we back?

>>95983984
I’m glad we never got another one of these because the first was dogshit.

Gonna miss this little guy so much

>>95983976
The article makes it look like GW are confident this will be a long-running edition whose core rules are robust enough that it can take many years of new content without another reboot. Which is deluded, obviously, but boy wouldn't it be nice.

>>95984094
>years and years with these dogshit rules
Nah, reboot can't come quick enough.
Then again, given 40k and AoS the devs seem to love doubling down on shitty decisions...

>>95984094
I wonder how long James can handle dreadnought sales being in the guttee, unless the fiists buff them, but I doubt it will be more than an exrea attack.

>>95984123
They have sold more than enough dreadnoughts already. I will enjoy dreadnought remaining in the gutter.

>>95984036
>>95984053
For me it's this one. The story's fun, inductii rules are fun, the rites and consul are neat.

>>95983994
Hope so. Fielding a boss battle occasionally would be cool.

>>95984134
>I will enjoy dreadnought remaining in the gutter
Anon hates nice things

>>95984053
I liked the units and rule in this one
>>95984140
This one had the better fluff though.

>>95984140
SoC was absolutely great. I had expected all of the supplements to be of this quality, with interesting characters and a good narrative as well as reasonable rules. Alas...

>>95982423
>>95982454

Based fellow RAWK-IT LAWNCHAIR enjoyers

>>95983830
I want this, but with vehicle sponson weapons on top

>>95984053
>>95984140
Didn't they say we would at least get units from these or examplary in either legacy pdfs or libers?

>>95984182
I mean, only Martian civil war was trash and 2/3 being good is an okay ratio

Where can I find the current rules for Centurion mode? I heard about it in a podcast

>>95984318
That's Liber Panoptica stuff

>>95984321
Oh ok I will search for that then

Will it be good next edition?

>>95984321
Yikes their discord has the troon rainbow flag, I just want to play small scale heresy not troon out

>>95984335
No, because it and the kytan will both get reduced to WS4 and unlike knights their invulnerable is only a 5++

>>95981321 (OP)
Are we ever going to see actual SoS releases?
Or is GW just regretting they ever even introduced them and want to just pretend they don't exist?

If you make an Imperial Fists army with anything but MkII and MkIII, you're a F.A.G.G.O.T. tourist.

>>95984321
No that is Decurion, not Centurion

>>95984363
>The Khorne daemon engine will have less WS that some SA infantry

Who's gonna tell him?

>>95984388
The axe boarders are literally mkIV

>>95984388
what if they're Siege of Terra themed?

>>95984388
geddim boys

Would something like these be a decent novelty for painting AL Seekers or would it just wear off incredibly fast?

The weak fear the IW beakies

>>95984412
If you'd known your lore you'd know that MK6 helmet is intended to impact a surface. The Raven Guard used for echolocation. The IW however used it for excavation.

>>95984388
Feels good, man.

How hard would it be to magnet the Thallax special weapons bros?

>>95983851
It's 48 pages softback, it's basically a third of a WD.

>>95984424
Source on that lore? What book?

>>95984424
I know you're probably joking, but there's similarly ridiculous stuff in the lore so I wouldn't be surprised if that were true

>>95983994
>Legion-unique variations of Saturnine Terminator Squads
Sounds like saturnine command squad could be a salamander only thing

>>95983851
It worked for OW, why won’t it work for HH?

>>95983960
it’ll be like the exemplary battles where they’re squeeze in two per, or maybe even three per. It’ll run for the first 18 months of the game

>TQ

Building a Kratos and 2 Predators for my Iron Warriors. I wish more tanks had autocannon sponsons.

>>95984424
>IW used it for excavation

>>95981321 (OP)
>TQ
I’m torn between adding these to my WBs or starting a whole new army for 3.0. I’m leaning towards SoH

>>95984312
Fair. I was counting the Exempary Battles one among them, which isn't really correct, admittedly.

>>95984473
You can just make an allied detachment of SoH to your WB,

>>95981321 (OP)
Working on some Dark angels. 10 irredemptors starting to get painted and 10 companions waiting to see if a jumppack/sword/combi bolter loadout remains legal

I want a off-black ashy/graphite grey for my guys These guys look better in person, Quite dark but noticeably not black whereas the camera makes them just grey.

>>95984439
>>95984440
>>95984463
Not sure. Only know that it was in one of those supplemental books that came around when the Horus Heresy was brand new. Read my buddy's book and laughed because it was so stupid. Didn't play yet.

>>95984473
are those Void Shield slots?

>>95984404
>>95984408
GW cost cutting.
>>95984407
You can make MkX "Siege of Terra themed" for all I care, it's not canon.
>>95984425
t. Angelos Terminator backflip slop courtesy of some budget cash in

>>95983084
It's the visions of heresy version. Really wish we got a straight up copy of the older ones considering with all the size creep the lead ones are the size of ogryns now.

>>95984361
Why would you join discord of any "community" is my question

>>95984550
The art I posted was from Visions. I guess one could argue it's this, but these torsos are far from the blockyness of the models.

>>95984502
I need to study the new FoC when the libers are either out or leaked to see what detachments I need for them.
>>95984532
I don’t think so? It’s a falchion, and those don’t have void shields.

>>95984388
[Spoiler]I made mine MK4 so I can use cool destroyer heads as they're a destroyer company[/spoiler]

>>95984584
I don't I just looked it up out of curiosity, I regret it

>>95983639
What the fuck, retarded mini-codex for each legion?

Got a game against DA as IW in a couple of weeks. 1000 point campaign introduction battle where we're playing a narrative objective.

I've never played DA before and don't know which hex he's taking. What do I do to mitigate getting rolled over or things that I should be aware of?

>>95984777
Pray he doesn’t turn the entire battlefield into dangerous terrain

>>95984770
>recycle some Black Book fluff with some "new" illustrations
>slap in 3-4 strictly better/OP units for Legions to sell more product
ez money

>>95982451
TS get the dread, termis, and 20 Tacs for a brick. Planning 3x20 TS tacticals.

Pale Nomads get the Praetor duel wielding, 10 disitigrator vets, and 10 Mortalis Destroyers.

Gun is terrain.

>>95981321 (OP)
>TQ

finished those bad boys recently waiting for new rules now

>>95984843
Great work
Everytime I see the MKVI apothecary it mocks me. I just know it was supposed to be a RG character they changed to an apothecary. I would bet money Kaedes Nex was never going to get a model and the had this beakie helm on Nexs body as strike Captain Maun in cold storage until it got changed.

>>95984770
We’re on the Old World model now. You’ll either get a ton of cool kitbash potential units or jack all

>>95984893
I think you're full of it

>>95984899
We can already see one unit.
Looks like they just used the dudes from the rapier kit... And that's it

>>95984843
's a nice minty colour, anon.

>>95984409

It's kind of hard to tell how good any of those colourshift products are really, most videos are trash and static shots tell you even less. GSW look like they do a couple of colourshift metallics also.

>>95984594
I have a few of the old RT-era AT ones and they might be my favourite model at that scale so far. But yes, he put that picture on patreon when writing about the inspiration. Kind of a shame because many years I'm still searching for nu-scale castellans and the trollsoup ones fit more between 54mm scale minis than HH ones.

>>95984463

>Based MOEGRA enjoyer

I really wish they'd bring that derpy thing back. One film was not enough. If Jet Jagger can get a Netflix show then so can MOEGRA.

>>95984993
Three actually. There's also the master of descent and the missile tank.

>>95984934
What's more believable?
>An outcast is only depicted in basic MKVI armor, that was despised by his Primarch, only allowed to live because he's so good at killing being adorned in ornate artificer armor thats drip would make a Praetor blush while still only having a 3+ save
Or
>Hey Todd, we decided to make Nex the character in the Martian civil war book because he was in a black library book.Take that other RG character and make him some pistols.

>>95981321 (OP)
So chuds enjoying your 2”’s?

>>95985091
>>95985092
>SW has a 5" set up move, 6" minimum charge distance
Okay that is low key kinda busted.

>RG get to just ignore the focus roll, do a single attack first, and if it hits and wounds follow up with the rest of their attacks
Holy shit that's just stupid.

I swear if they take Solar Aux Cohort doctrines away like they did with ROW….

>>95985091
holy shit that rocks

>>95985092
So if I'm understanding this correctly, are RoW as we know gone from the game? That's pretty fucking retarded.

>>95985092
Dangles can force an extra combat

>so good it's not allowed to be
This is the shit I was afraid of; powerful gambits where if you don't have a good one, or are just simply not tooled for it, there's no point. You either feint to delete the unique gambits so you don't get turbo destroyed or don't care because it's just a basic character and you seize for the luls and die.

Heroslop was a mistake.

>>95985092
>Second slot I’m going to give to the Medusan Immortals. Their new unit rules really represent their background as the forlorn hope troops. Shields, Expendable (2), and very high Leadership and Cool makes them unflappable in the meatgrinder.
Please...

>>95985152
>>95985150
Rites of war still exist, just the are detachment types now

>>95985155
>I DIDN'T HEAR NO BELL
That's crazy

>>95985162
No, they objectively don't. They co-opted the name for something new.

>>95985162
That's not even remotely the same thing.

>>95985155
>I can do this all day!

>>95985045
It'd need to be tied to Mechagodzilla, since it's build on top of its body.

>>95985148
>>95985156
>Any duel between RG and not Sigismind, a Primarch, or other ultra Duelist(Eg 99% of the remaining characters)
>I choose Decapitation Strike
>I choose Feint, naming Decapitation Strike
>I choose Seize instead
>RG player still goes first
Everyone clap. The Challenge Phase is fun and interactive. Great success.

>>95985155
>The Reactive Player must spend 1 point of their Reaction Allotment
>spend 1 point
Please god don't tell me these are like Stratagems now.

>>95985223
They were in 2.0 as well. They just call your allotment points now.

>>95985223
They are, you get base 2 points in a 3k game before any other special rules. We've known for a while.

>>95984430
So it better cost $5.

>>95985223
That's how they work now dumbass

Why are the people at GW so intent on ruining warhammer?

>>95985148
I'm adding a skull everytime he decapitates someone.

>>95985092
>Rites of War is now the overarching title for each Legion’s ruleset, encompassing their Legion Tactica, Gambit, Advanced Reaction, and Detachments. Tactica offer unique mechanics to the entire army [...]
What was wrong with "Legion traits" and "Rites of War"?

>>95983797
>not making your own shitty nobody cohort from bungistan Tempestus.

>>95985255
They need to excuse their existence while the company has to maximize profits for shareholders through steady releases for years to come.

>>95985269
That it needed to be changed to "justify" a new edition for sales

>>95985092
Leakanon(s), please leak the rest of the legion rules.

>>95985284
This is from a gw news article

Dark Brethren isn't going to survive is it. The Word Bearers legion rule is going to be something stupid like +1 leadership and the prime advantage be giving an HQ a shitty psychic discipline.

>>95985287
If this means you no longer are forced to play ROW with arbitrary restrictions hamstringing your armylist to get the most out of your legion rules, I'll take it. Almost never played with ROW in all of 2.0 because the benefits never outweighed the restrictions, except for the pissboys.

>>95985287
That wasn't all they did, they came with a slew of special rules and limitations to balance and make them more thematic.. RoWs weren't
>your assault marines are now counted as your basic troops
but rather
>this is a detachment of troops dropping from low orbit and aircraft into the battlefield and as such half or more of your troops must deep strike but the sheer weight of bodies means the first round of shooting is going to be snap shots and in the second round you get to do hit and run attacks. No non-deep strike/flyer-carried units or immobile ones and you must use assault squads as compulsory troops.

>>95985148
>>95985155
>if the hit test and wound test made for this attack are both successful (i.e., they meet the required target number)

>trigger:

Wtf is going on in the rules department Can they not just define success and failure, reactive player etc. At the
start of the section?

For all its janky layout stuff like X-wing were great with definition

>>95985287
>without removing anything from your toolbox.
They did remove things from my toolbox mr warcom writer, I want my goddamn special rules that came with the RoWs and I predict those aren't going to be anywhere in the libers.

>>95985269
They're renaming almost anything they can get away with renaming.

>>95985092
>Rites are gone.
Fuck this dogshit edition.

The only upside I can see to this is everyone starts in a somewhat even playing field instead of gambling on if you get one of the good RoW

>>95985399
Please explain how removing generic RoW is in any way evening the playing field

>>95985399
>good RoWs
they are going to sell them to you in their new legion related books, remember?

Folding Legion units and abilities into Prime upgrades is the worst bit,you'll get maybe 2-3 things and they compete with extra unit unlocks.

Gonna be pretty sad when White Scars need to burn a Prime upgrade to make one Cavalry unit scoring.

Say sorry

>>95985435
Just because my food is burnt it doesn't mean I'm going to go dumpster diving

>>95985399
As usual you aren't understanding anything anon, there are only legion specific RoWs now. In your own terms you are stuck with what you roll, you can't even make do with basic RoWs anymore.

>>95985435
no lol

>>95985435
fuck this retard

>>95985448
Legion ROW don’t exist either. Its base force org plus 1 detachment from your legion

I’ve been thinking of what to post for like 10 minutes but I don’t know how to phrase how I’m feeling. I feel an overwhelming sense of helplessness as an upcoming solar auxilia player, but then perhaps that truly is what it means to be a man in an age of darkness. I feel I should despair but I can’t help but laugh at the absurdity of Dark Angels getting to fight twice in my own turn when my rifleman are very unlikely to survive even one round of combat with them. 4 turns means I’ll be lucky to even touch an objective marker anyway even with mechanised transport, and that’s assuming Raven Guard or Alpha Legion likely haven’t just spawned in on top of said objectives from the get go anyway. Is this how it feels to be crestfallen? Maybe I’m just being dramatic

How are we feeling mortal bros?

>iron hand to the right
Even gw is dropping the shitty head spike now

>>95985435
I don't disagree with his critiques, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with his fixes.
Gonna stick with 2.0, add some fixes, maybe work up to a 2.5 with my friends.

>>95985475
> sa player
You exist to be beaten by Astartes chads. Accept your lot in life

>>95985478
Ma'am this is far too reasonable and intelligent response on a /hhg/ thread I'm going to have to ask you to leave or immediately post a racist meme and the word 'Nigger' 100 times.

>>95985475
It's one unit once per game bro, chill.

You should be worried because your own rules will be either a phoned-in nothingburger or intentionally tweaked to be even less of a threat to Marines.

>>95985477
Thats the left

>>95985475
>as an upcoming solar auxilia player
>Dark Angels getting to fight twice
Maybe you'll get to shoot twice, lmao.

>>95985465
>Rites of War is now the overarching title for each Legion’s ruleset, encompassing their Legion Tactica, Gambit, Advanced Reaction, and Detachments.
The wording implies that they might do special detachment rules.

>>95985317
I played specific RoW because it felt like the narratively correct choice even if it often just gave me restrictions and zero benefits

>>95985435
I'm sorry god never loved you macca.

>>95985435
Buy an ad

>>95985435
3+ FNP out of 10

>>95985435
lol, from the guy who gave his own IH FNP4+ and IWND5+ then call it “thematic”

>>95985478
Personally I'm going to try to downgrade 3.0 and see how that shakes out. I'm intrigued by some of the changes, namely no rerolls and legion traits being a general benefit. I don't want Stone Gauntlet level of rules layering, nor do I want Augery spam being a necessary evil to combat deepstrike spam.

If the Libers suck then yeah 2.x it is.

>>95985495
The right one of the two iron hands nigga

>>95984899
I haven't been following The Oh Shit AoS Is Flopping Bring It Back BRING IT BAAAACK, does all the content get digital releases or just the main books? Because if so fuck GW, if the edition does prove decent and lasts a long time I'll just print this shit off in thematically appropriate batches and bind them as hardbacks myself - still cost me a fraction of FOMO-stressing to buy them from the GeW.

>>95985475
If we keep the current Doctrines, we’re so back
If we lose them I’m killing myself

>>95985435
You'll get Expendable (2) and like it

>>95985552
No ballz

>>95985550
It's books, in the exact same format as the HH book just previewed (only 48 pages, half assed fluff, half assed rules where it is a crap shoot between getting someone cool and fun, or unless and shit).

>>95985478
>Sticking to 2.0 when 1.0 is better and has more content
Cuck behaviour

>>95985477
Anon those are mk2 they never had the spike.

>>95985538
I've seen too many wide-ranging issues in 3.0 to bother trying to salvage it. I think 2.0 can be brought to a reasonable state easily, and a good state with some more conservative work. wioth 3.0, I'd need to re-add RoWs, basically reintroduce deep strike, undo all the herohammer... I'm not sure what I'd really get out of it. A 'flexible' force org that's actually fairly restrictive, slightly less punishing snapshots, and new stats that just aren't used? Nah. I'll backport any good new units, and that'll do.

>>95985552
>>95985475
You’re assuming that your core tercio guys don’t have line(X) and expendable(X) and cost like 5 points each. If this edition has shown us anything it’s special rules for making basic infantry dudes the kings of winning the mission.

>>95985577
1.0 lacks a lot of the granularity I appreciate from 2.0

>>95985499
They in fact specifically state every legion gets extra aux detachment and prime benefits, with some getting an additional apex

>>95985576
So they *don't* get a digital/epub release?

>>95985590
>2.0
>Granularity
Nigga what. 2.0 is when the schrimplification and 40kification of HH started.

>>95985612
They do

>>95985581
I don't think what you're doing is wrong, I just don't think I can get my group to stick to 2.0. Flyers being terrible, intercept and return fire being so strong, unmitigated deepstrike being cancer and the inverse MoS borderline hard countering it, power disparities in RoWs, etc. There's just too many extremes. I don't like 3.0s 40kification of killing models out of LoS /Range or Herohammer and how it's simplified the legions so much, but at the same time it appears to reign in the extremes that requires so much self policing in 2.0. Terrain obscuring is needed desperately too.

I do wish you luck in your endeavors.

>>95985435
whiny faggot, go buy an ad

>>95985588
I’m mostly concerned about bringing my robot or heavy stubbers depending on which rules I run. Lasrifle sections being good would be nice though

Please GW just make it so if I take Salamanders their extra detachment is just slots for tactical support squads so I can JUST run flamers.

Please don’t make it some gay shit like shock assault and try to railroad the legion into being terminator focused with the saturnine and firedrakes please god please

>>95985581
I'm still on the fence on whether to start from 2.0 or 3.0

On the surface 2.0 looks like it only needs a light balance patch, but that's only for basic Legion fights. Then you realize the entire way it does Deep Strike and Flyers is completely fucked, non Marine factions are completely fucked, a bunch of shit is just boring, and if you're doing shit, might as well sort the USRs in alphabetical order. And then I wonder if it won't be less work for more gain to retype 3.0 into something cool... it might come down to which has better Marine-Auxilia/Mechanicum balance by default.

>>95985475
Well SA currently suck major ass and have no chance of winning unless the marine player lets them. So either things stay the same, or they'll improve.

All these anons having an existential crisis over the new edition sound so pathetic. You can dislike it, or feel uncertain about everything that hasn't been shown yet, but spiralling into crippling depression is just fucking sad, holy shit. It is a game about playing with plastic toy soldiers at the end of the day people.

>Dreads nerfed
>Vehicles not awful
>Terminators good
3.0 looking pretty good

A lot of people are bitching about the lose of generic RoWs but this gen is full of nogames nomodels nobooks. Post your army and the generic RoW that you "lost."
Note that POTLfags and FOTAfags who post automatically BTFO themselves.

>>95985148
>>95985155
this looks like absolute trash.
Legion traits are supposed to be small fluffy little tweaks.
Not "99% chance I automatically win all challenges by striking first even if you declare a speed gambit" or "my entire unit gets +100% damage and somehow easily one-shots landraiders"

>>95985708
My guess is that a lot of them are stone gauntlet spamming pissboys throwing a tantrum that their auto-win army will no longer exist.

>>95985708
I don't have a generic ROW army but I was planning on making Brethren of Iron Night Lords force once I finished my Ultras and plenty of people use Pride and Armoured Spearhead

>>95985708
I play BlackShields, what’s a “RoW”?

>>95985709
>RG
well they used to have a pretty good WT for duels so maybe thats how they are compensating (i guess WTs are gone as well)

>>95984388
my volksmarines are MkVI

>>95985744
I'd bet RGs prime benefit is precision 4+ and/or +1 to hit and wound units with independent characters. With the Legion trait being infiltrate for infantry. Master of Descent being a generic consul likely means that's the source for better reserves.

>Second slot I’m going to give to the Medusan Immortals. Their new unit rules really represent their background as the forlorn hope troops. Shields, Expendable (2), and very high Leadership and Cool makes them unflappable in the meatgrinder.
Wow, that sure would mean something if we knew what Expendable or Shields meant this edition.

>>95985708
I lost Recon company, armored spearhead, and drop pod assault. Fuck you, faggot.

My

>>95985781
Expendable means you get less VP for killing that unit, to a minimum of one.

>>95985475
I gave up having hope for my militia force a long time ago

>Fist Castellan is a prime upgrade
weird, i guess other legion specific stuff like Phoenix warden will be prime upgrades
>Sigismund has a custom gambit
I told you niggers

>>95985435
ur gay macca fuck off

>>95985831
>told you
They announced it ages ago with the duel system, we always knew

>Sigismund is a superlative fighter st WS7 and 5 attacks!
>Gets shwacked by an RG champion with a thunder hammer before he can twitch
Gg ezz no re

>40k 8th edition called. They want their "Fight Twice" back
You'd think this is a World Eaters thing. Nope. It's yet another Loyalist Edition

>>95985802
>I lost Recon company
Combat Pioneer detachments.
>armored spearhead
Armoured Support detachments.
>drop pod assault
Drop pods are likely just regular transport option now.

>>95985150
Yeah thats 100% gonna happen. The aux aren't allowed to have fun.

>>95983715
Yes mwahahaha

>>95985733
Literally all of those are supported, that's literally the point of the new force org and ally system. 30% of ROWs are just straight up made obsolete, and another 50% become obsolete as long as there's appropriate prime benefits to attach to detachments like how the interdiction cadre gives you a bunch of stuff, just like how old RoW would.

>>95985889
the stronger faction specific gambit are the more useful the riposte one becomes.

>>95985981
>Literally all of those are supported
They aren't, firstly you don't have the limitations that come with ROWs which kills a lot of the balance and fluff, secondly you can't take tobots anymore in a marine army on that sacale, you need to take allies, which isn't the same as having them be part of your army.

>>95985981
People don't want to be able to build things like a recon company or armoured spearhead themselves. They want daddy GW to do it for them.

>>95985968
Those aren't in the same squad, though.

>>95985475
You are weak auxilia player, you would not survive the winter.

>>95985931
I bet the WE gambit lets them auto-hit and auto-wound in exchange for being auto-hit and auto-wounded in return.
The Night Lords gambit is making a random squaddie take all the damage

>>95985968
>>95986020
They aren't the same gun either
Everything shartmaris has such a cringe aesthetic

>>95983830
I'm going to nut so hard if it is

>>95985620
Movement, rules like Rending, all went from set values to being applicable to a much more granular range of values.
Don't get me wrong, GW shit the bed with the implementation in places, but the actual system is more flexible.

People can't complain when I want to field 5 dreadnoughts anymore at least

>>95985332
This is what generative AI spits out

>>95986036
>They aren't the same gun either
Are you saying Disintegration Rifle, Disintegration Blaster, Combi-Disintegrator, and Heavy Disintegrator are the same gun?

>>95985091
This is unironically an absurdly strong buff

>>95986014
>RoW don't exist anymore!
>yes they do
>well it's not the same because they're not bad anymore!
You want a uhaul for those goalposts lol? If you knew anything about brethren of iron you'd knew that they weren't part of your army anyway, they never got legion traits unless they were subordinated to a legion praevian which you could take without the ROW anyway.

>>95985733
>>95986164
>sunk $0 into making an army
>made that he can't play it
lol

>>95983856
It's just weird that Destroyer pistols are AP2 (riiiight??) but normal Destroyer guns are AP3
Boo that

>>95985155
>The Target Unit is always a Unit in that Combat which only includes Models with the Dark Angels Trait. That Unit us the Reacting Unit.

Bros they mid-sentence capitalised "Models". This is an abysmal choice of editing and someone should be fired for it. Reeks of LLM

>>95986242
>He thinks Disintegrator Pistols will stay AP:2

>>95986255
That would be fine if they capitalise any technical game terms "Model, Unit, Weapon" etc - but only if that's consistently applied, and only when the technical term is being invoked.

>>95985802
You lost Drop pod Assault in 2.0, mate. Sure the RoW was there but the rules weren't.

>>95986029
>Sacrificial dude
That's currently the Word Bearers one though. Gloriously Martyrdom is metal

>Blackshield rules might be pdf on launch
Well at least it's something. Maybe.

>>95986255
>Reeks of LLM
Loyalist Light Machinegun

>>95986164
>goalposts
I didn't move anything, ROWs have both benefits and restrictions, its what makes them ROWs, detachments have no down sides.
>they weren't part of your army anyway
They were tho, they would be part of your force org and in your legions colours, whe if they were allies you would have to paint the in mecanicum colours and have to take a magos, plus it gave you access to cortex controlers on techmarines, which is a big deal

>>95986200
>sunk $0 into making an army
I have six castellax, a thanatar and sone night lords bits in the garrage I've been stockpiling now.

>I'm sure this will be the time we get a destroyer company row with all all the cool and forbidden stuff. - random guy from my club
Heh.

I love 3.0 based solely on the fact it’s making a bunch of man children scream. Jesus Christ, stick with 1.0 or 2.0 or make your own thing. No one cares. Boohoo the company renowned for shit rules may once again screw up? Say it ain’t so?

>TQ
Not sure if it'll be tonight or later this week, but I plan on doing a Zhao-Arkhad test scheme for an Allied Detachment I intend to add to my Thousand Sons.

>>95986255
the random capitalisation of Words makes it feel like it was written first and foremost for Wahapedia to hyperlink specific words each time they're used and show the definition above the word.
But it looks absolutely horrid to do that in a 300 page printed book without hyperlinks. Maybe it was made to be incorporated with their overpriced paid app easier or something... just doesn't make sense.

Here's my problem with 2.0 and how 3.0 could save it for me. Too much is too good, so it's not allowed to be. It's far too rock paper scissors. I want to see vehicle and dread heavy list merely be an option, not a handicap or sweaty list. I want to see daring drop pod assaults that don't either mop the floor or get mopped by unlimited interceptor.

Maybe 3.0 will have that.

>>95985435
You do this every thread. Shut the fuck up macca, we're not going to your shit ass channel.

>>95986610
3.0 will make this true by making legion specific stuff too hard and too specific to actually fit in your detachments so every army will be 90% generic units and 1 legion terminator or elite squad hitching a ride in a stolen land raider or spartan with the praetor, and only if they're actually good.

>>95985733
>>95985802
Your models? Where did you post them?

>>95986603
It is not random. Each capitalised word is either a different special rule or a specific definition defined somewhere else.
Maybe it is my autism but there is logic to it.

>>95986690
Is this macca a e-gimp?

>>95986610
they are working with far far too much to balance it, the scope is way greater than it was in 2.0 and look how they cocked that up.

>>95985223
You will play resource management and you will like it.

>>95985804
Interesting.
So if they have line, you get extra points for seizing and objective and you deny the opponents vanguard for getting a bunch of VP off you if they wipe them out
This only works if they have line though.

>>95986774
no that's just your autism acting up to see faces in clouds. There's not a definition page explaining the word "Model"

>>95986737
1) The Apex detachment lets you take 2 Legion infantry snowflake choices, and with a centurion you can get two 3-raider detachments
2) That's fluffier

>>95986831
Really? Well post the all the rules pages since you have the 3.0 core book.

>>95986831
Anon literally the first thing they tell you in the 2.0 rulebook is the definition of a model.

>>95986862
Why can they not have more universal definitions at the start of each section

Like >>95985931
Start of the reaction section should state that unless otherwise specified a reaction or advanced reaction can only be played once per game, costs 1 reaction point paid when declared and may only be played by the reactive player.

>>95986826
Don't need line for that, just standing on an objective and getting clobbered by something with vanguard will do.

>RoWs are just 40k detachments
for fucks sake

>>95984335
maybe

>>95986983
Ah yes, the detachments that *check notes* provide army wide special rules and have no interaction with the types and number of units you're allowed to bring.

>>95986937
If you aren't spamming line to grab Objectives you are going to lose the game

>>95987058
I know, it's wonderful isn't it?

>>95987058
We need to see more rules (and play games) to know for sure.

>>95985709
How about you learn to read?
The RG gambit is betting going first on that one attack landing and wounding, which is not assured at all and if you fail either roll you don't get to make more attacks
The DA reaction repeats the fight sub-phase, the enemy also gets to attack and you are making a reaction so it's unlikely that the enemy unit that charged you is not actually useful in melee

>>95985092
>SW in 2.0
>Run (+4") and shoot and charge
>If you can't run +1WS
>SW in 3.0
>+1 or 2" to charges
Fucking hell
They fell off hard

The other rules are not great either...
>RG gambit
>Bet your entire ability to attack during a challenge on what's probably, at best, a 40% chance to succeed
>DA reaction
>Force a fight sub-phase again. This is a reaction so it's on your opponents turn. Meaning you are probably doing this against an enemy unit that likely charged you and wants to be in melee with you
If they are going to make the rules shit at least I hope they are all on the same level and we don't have IF still getting +1 to hit with half the armory...

>>95987302
Mastercrafted thunder hammer goes beep boop.

Also a challenge just. Ring instantly decided based on 1 die roll by the rg player is fucking ass, no matter the outcome.

>>95987395
There are no re-rolls in 3.0

Both the hit and wound roll need to be a success, so it's 2 rolls actually.

>>95987390
The SW trait is in addition to the Surge move, so that's 5" total before the charge roll, 6" for IC.

The RG gambit is high risk, high reward. If it was guaranteed the payoff shouldn't be automatically winning the duel.

The DA reaction is ideal for having your melee unit break free of a tarpit at the end of the enemy's fight phase, meaning they can move and charge another unit in your own turn.

>>95987454
the DA reaction could be quite good for equalising against units with on-charge bonuses.

>>95987395
Mastercrafted thunder hammer gets stopped completely by the 4++, actually
There is no ID, characters have more wounds than we have seen D on any infantry weapons and that damage only applies after saves. Challenges are going to be a slog to get through. Getting to attack first doesn't mean you win automatically

>>95987454
>The SW trait is in addition to the Surge move
And the surge move is instead of one of the d6 we had before
It's still just a +2" to charges compare to +4" and shooting snapshots before
>If it was guaranteed the payoff shouldn't be automatically winning the duel.
Even going first is not that big of a guarantee of winning at all like I said above
>The DA reaction is ideal for having your melee unit break free of a tarpit
It's only giving you an extra fight sub-phase once per battle. If you could get rid of a tarpit with that it wasn't a very good tarpit to begin with. It's very situational at beat

>>95987497
>It's still just a +2" to charges
There is an upside in surge moves working differently. Unlike in 2.0, a surge move can mean an unfailable charge and can prevent overwatches, so that's a value 2.0 didn't have.

>>95987497
I don't mind SW being reined in a bit, their legion rules was plain broken. The only reason you didn't see SW played to the same level as IF is because not even WAACfags wanna associate with furries.
Not to mention the new version having advantages the old one didn't have.

>Yet more 40k sloppification of 3.0

God damn it. I really don't want to stick with an older version when they have their own issues. Homebrewing layers of fixes is a pain in the ass and makes your gaming insular, but 3.0 is really looking like fucking ass.

>>95985931
>Bro just pick the 2x fight Legion lmao
The existence of a Fight Twice stratagem guarantees the existence of a Shoot Twice one
And you just knoooow whose it going to be

>>95986441
Sorry bud can you say that again? It's hard to make out your words with GW's dick in your mouth, especially with the sound of you joyfully glugging down their jizz like that.

>>95987621
>the new version having advantages the old one didn't have.
It's half of a half of what the old one did. What do you mean?

>>95986610
You can deepstrike one unit per turn. Period. So yeah good luck with those daring drop pod assaults.

>>95987706
>Period.
That's a lot of confidence for someone who hasn't even seen the drop pod rules

>>95987679
Isn't that literally the legion reaction for iron hands and iron warriors already, just one is return fire and one is overwatch

>>95987701
Let's just say I prefer a guaranteed 5" charge with no overwatch over 4" extra movement only to fail the charge roll and getting decimated by overwatch.

>>95986513
Based

>>95987738
Suit yourself but this is nowhere near as good as you are making it out to be.
In 2.0 we could pin the enemy to avoid reaction, we can't do that now.
And if you are within charge range the enemy can just use a reaction to move away so you are never getting a guaranteed charge anyways

>>95987809
Brother I have played for months without seeing a unit get pinned. The only reliable way to pin a unit was abusing telepathy librarians.

>>95987699
Haven’t bought models in decades. Rules I just pirate. Seethe more bitch boy

>>95987713
Right? Drop pod assaults have more pods than game turns. Deep Strike might just be the generic "arrive on the battlefield without walking" rule. Meanwhile Drop Pods might have a rule where half arrive the first two turns or something.

Storm Eagles are way better at dropping off cargo with how flyers are intercepted at the table edge and terrain is obscuring for everything. I'd bet drop pods are good too.

>>95987497
>characters have more wounds than we have seen D on any infantry
Saturnine hammers and fists have D3, Shred will appear on weapons. Master crafted might be +1 to hit, or crits on a certain hits value, which is auto wound with +1 damage. The RG gambit just needs to hit and wound, not kill or do damage, and the then you get the remainder of your attacks. Wounding on 2+ should be easy enough. Keep in mind you could just simply roll a 1 on the focus roll anyway and have zero attacks first. Guaranteed first swing is too good to not try.

>>95987846
I wonder if units are allowed to charge in the same turn they disembark from a storm eagle.

>>95987907
ah yes, RG, well known for their... surprise hammer-based terminator attacks.
Very thematic.

>>95987913
You can always charge after disembarking now.
It's a question of whether it's disorganised or not.

>>95987907
Its not a bad ability certainly but its not broken. Anything you would want to hit with it you are going to hit on a 4+ or 5+ so half the time you act first and half the time your opponent does.

>>95985156
>>95985214
I think you cannot choose Feint if you go second anon. Meaning it's even worse

>>95987919
>Checks notes
>Finally, after an hour of non-stop combat, a flash of light announced the arrival of the Deliverers, a company of Terran-born Raven Guard clad in Terminator Armour, grim in aspect and wielding an array of fearsome weapons not usually favoured by the subtle tactics of the XIXth Legion.
>That can't be right, checks more notes
>Terminators used by RG through modern times in teleport strikes and ambushes wielding everything from claws to hammers.

>>95982389
the Librarians are still there, they are just not allowed casting spells. Just field one and have him do nothing.

>>95987960
I'll take those odds if it means I don't need a focus roll at basically -3 for a big ass hammer.

>>95987907
>The RG gambit just needs to hit and wound
It actually needs to specifically succeed in the Hit Test AND the Wound Test. And you are not doing a wound test when auto wounding so it doesn't work there. You just made you 40% chance to go first even worse
>Wounding on 2+ should be easy enough
Wounding on 2+ is what makes it a 40% chance, if you wounded on 4s it'd be even worse at 25%
>Guaranteed first swing is too good to not try.
If you fail that 40% chance to wound you don't get to attack any more
You are betting on 40% (at best) odds that you are going first, which doesn't mean you are going to win either way. While giving the opponent a 60% chance to take no damage and do all their attacks unopposed while not having to care for the focus roll so they can just choose to have +1S and D on all their attacks
That is not too good to not try. That's what a gambling addict thinks is too good to not try

>>95988047
Better if you include Hatred from a Chaplain for +1
>>95988047
>That is not too good to not try. That's what a gambling addict thinks is too good to not try
>You want to try your legion rule? Loser

>>95988125
>>You want to try your legion rule?
Guaranteed to be better than yours

>>95987993
I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm just tired of RG rules heavily favour playing off-flavour RG.

Do you think he's finally getting a model? We already have Horus ascended who is on "the same" power level as Big E

>>95985708
Ancient photo, but RIP flanking assault charges up the enemies back line.

>>95985092
We Ligma now, they've made it official

>>95988047
Depends on how the critical hit rule is worded, If critical hits "automatically succeed the wound test" then critical hits combo fine with the raven guard gambit. If they just say "critical hits automatically wound" then they don't do shit and you'd be better off with a power fist.

That said I think you declared gambits secretly.

>>95985477
sculpting the spike so players can remove it is preferable to not sculpting the spike and have people do shitty spike jobs

it's a nice little thing that is easy enough to remove to preference

>>95988490
We don't know how to enjoy nice things.

>>95988322
It's not off flavor. They did everything normal legions did, they were just better at anything regarding stealth and favored certain tactics over others. They had a whole forge world to themselves too. Legion rules don't need to fully skew into caricature levels.

>>95988539
People love to pretend Legions were their preferred flavor of warfare over them being a Legion first who had a specialty they added on top of that.

>>95988325
I could see it happening as part of the Custodes release

>>95988539
>They did everything normal legions did
The Battle of Gate Forty-Two . . .

>>95988539
>They did everything normal legions did, they were just better at anything regarding stealth and favored certain tactics over others.
Except the rules are "They did everything the other legions did, were okay at stealth, and really, really good with hammers.".
That's off-flavour.

Did I understand correctly from the articles that we'll be limited to only 3 legion-unique units per list? And allies won't be allowed to bring them?
I'm scared man

>>95988594
So you've seen the new rules for Raven's Talons already? How else could you already know those aren't gonna be better than a thunder hammer in 3.0

>>95988594
Anon they literally have a unique terminator unit that eschews the le ninja meme

>>95988616
No, how the fuck did you even come to that conclusion?

>>95988567
no way in hell they don't make Emps an option for every single loyalist force

>>95988594
That's because GW keeps making rules that replace Legion flavor rather than enforcing it. See: Death Guard being turned from preferring special weapons because heavy weapons couldn't keep up with their implacable grinding attrition to Death Guard spamming the fastest heavy weapons and tanks because GW decided to make EVERYTHING keep up with their implacable advance.

>>95988618
Well, part of my complaint would be historical (See 2.0, where Ravens Talons locked you out of benefitting from the LA on many units) and part is from discussion of this gambit, which folks seem to think benefits most from D3+ weapons. I very much doubt they'll make Raven's Talons D3, and if they do, they don't know what they're doing.

>>95988626
A unit can be an exception to the rule. The rules... sorta can't.

>>95985540
>>95985495
yeah the one on the left has the spike that's why he's saying don't look at it

>>95988627
"Army Vanguard: Elite units such as Veterans and Legion-specific specialists"
Can only bring one apex detachment
Only mention anywhere of legion specific units

>>95988659
If raven's talons have D2 or Shred and much more attacks than a thunder hammer they can still be better. There's more to what makes a weapon good than purely the damage stat.

>>95988616
>>95988679
Logistical Benefit exists, unlike your brain

>>95988688
It's possible, sure. We didn't see that in previous editions though, so there's a precedent of both high damage being king and RG rules favouring anything but talons.
I think claws are an excellent candidate for more attacks, which would certainly be nice, but I fully expect to end up in a spot where the answer is "Take a Hammer/Fist/Etc or you're significantly fucking yourself over."

>>95988688
No there isn't. Just like in every single fucking edition of Warhammer having +1 or 2 more attacks at a higher initiative doesn't matter when you can just kill the opponent when you hit once.

>>95988698
Why are you being rude? Did me misreading a warcom article cause your mom to die or something?
That's true, it still severely restricts taking them compared to previous editions
Looking at the force org, it looks like prime slots aren't easy to come by
You get two from the base detachment and one from an apex, that's about it
Kinda sucks that while any other unit can be taken ad nauseam provided you buy centurions, legion units are very limited and you need to sacrifice other bonuses to even take them

>>95988707
That was true in the old editions where instant death existed. In 3.0 a single thunder hammer hit could do just 3 damage, which isn't enough to kill a praetor, but two hits with damage 2 do a total of 4 damage which might just be enough.
And my sergeants with only a power dagger have been dominating enemy sergeants equipped with artificer armour and power fist since HH 1.0 :^)

>>95988667
Sharrokyn mogged Lucius in a duel. The gambit isn't reflective of an ornate fighting style, it's reflective of a sudden strike for the killing blow and skipping the long drawn out clash.

>>95988661
this suggests that they would have a similar RoW to the IW "danger close" one

>>95988616
We haven't seen the legion specific detachments yet, and in the community article about allies they do say that the legion specific detachments let you to take legion specific units as allies

>>95988748
That would be fine if that's what those rules do.
But you can't get the swift kill with a power sword - they're just too weak, even if you go first. and there's nothing stopping you doing the same gambit with a saturning hammer - other than that it will be significantly more effective. So you end up with "Sure, Sharrowkyn did a sneaky stab one time. But it shouldn't have worked, and also any RG character in terminator suit with a fist can do that but better."

>>95988730
It's not like you can spam legion specific units in older editions. Not to mention that in most cases, you don't want to. And assuming that ALL legion specific units will ONLY be taken in the army vanguard detachment is just silly at this point.
>You can bring 3 legion specific units with apex detachment, +1 with logistical benefit
>Right now some legion specific units are Heavy Support. There are only 3 HS slots, meaning you can only bring 3 of that legion specific unit. Hmmm.
>Other legion specific units are Fast Attack. There are only 3 FA slots, meaning you can... only bring 3 of those legion specific units. How peculiar.
>A lot of legion specific units are Elites. There are 4 elites slots in a FOC, so you can only bring 4 of that legion specific unit.

>>95988661
Always loved berserker assault as a concept
Melee infantry supported by ranged heavy armour
So cool.

>>95988785
You're 100% correct about the old limitations and that was my big annoyance as a word bearer, everything is elite
However a lot of rites let you make them troops or a retinue if you want to, which really opens up
Why I'm more holed up on those than dreadnought for example is that it's a big part of giving your legion flavor

>>95988784
I'm not chasing goalposts anymore.

>>95988824
A line that's rapidly becoming "I don't actually have a response but this makes me sound right, so fuck it."

>>95988679
Today's article has just said legions get an extra Aux detachment, and sometimes even an extra Apex detachment. I wonder about the specifics of that extra Apex det.

>>95988839
I posted nothing but actual examples directly from the lore, you posted nothing but your twisted interpretation of what I can only describe as "vibes". Clearly the designers agree with my interests it's a rule, over yours which is based purely off of your mental image of what RG should look like. Maybe Circle Heresy is a better place for you.

>>95988730
I wish using up a Prime benefit to bring an extra High Command would allow for unlocking an extra Apex detachment, on top of the usual one unlocked from bringing a HC the usual way.
Fuck this new lingo lmao. Feels like neogothic brainrot

>>95988785
1 Apex: 3 Vanguard legion elites (plus an extra from Logistical Benefit)
1 Heavy Support aux deta-... ONE heavy Support? A SINGLE heavy support per whole heavy detachment? FUCK THAT.
You mean to tell me a single Heavy Support Squad needs a whole ass Consul tax? THIS IS BULLSHIT IRON BROS AAAAAAAAA

Storm bolters are cooler than combi bolters

>>95988915
Heavy support squads are support and live in the tactical support detachment

>>95988921
I can see the dent in your skull from when you were dropped as a child from here.

>>95988925
Oh good. So, two and they compete with TSS *and* Rapiers now, which used to be each in a different slot. Getting tired of winning here ;__;

>>95988928
No that was where the bolter hit failed to wound.

>>95988934
Also with apothecaries and techmarines :^)

>>95988934
Better to get 4 slots off 1 centurion alone then be stuck with 3 slots and that's it.
God I really hope they don't fuck it up and make an aux detachment for elites, it's good that for at least one fucking edition you actually have to think about whether you really need to start every list with a 10 man legion unit and a praetor

>>95988707
>when you can just kill the opponent when you hit once.
Gee if only they removed ID from the game and made damage happen after invulnerable saves that wouldn't work the same, wouldn't it

>>95988961
A delegatus will probably be high command too.

>>95988983
Why would delegatus even exist? The purely exist to allow for rites of war without paying for a more expensive praetor.
Now that ROW's don't exist, if delegatus still exists it will be something completely different with the same name.

>>95988925
Is this written somewhere, or a trustmebro because they have the word support in their name?

>>95989020
>Why would delegatus even exist?
To be high commamd in a smaller point game and access to apex detachments. Like they were access to rites of war in a smaller points game.

>>95989020
>>95988983
Delegatus unlocks an Apex Detachment but isn't High Command

>>95989031
Holy shit fuck off apex detachments being limited to once per army is a good thing.

>>95984540
>You can make MkX "Siege of Terra themed" for all I care, it's not canon.
Mk7 was at the siege though

>>95989062
>>95989062
>>95989062

>>95985405
>Please explain how removing generic RoW is in any way evening the playing field
Because all of the-
>You can now take jetbikes as troops
>You can now take predators as troops
>You can now take a lot of X units, but no Y units
RoWs are completely unnecessary now, because you can now do that no matter what

>>95985889
He has eternal warrior and a RG champion is going to be hitting on 4s if he's lucky

>>95985477
>The NU-models towering and striding over the old resin mkII and mkIII
Pottery even if painful

>>95982033
the mould line on the pistol, cannot unsee