Thread 95986560

Ice Magic edition

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>Previous Thread:>>95974610

>TQ: What rules will/should Kislev get as an army (these can be army rules or specific unit rules)?

>>95986560 (OP)
>TQ
>I can't bear it
For everyone bear pun via unit name weapon or ability in the kislev army, the opponent is allowed 1 bear handed slap by round 5.

>>95986583
>Stalling Kislev players so i can beat them

>>95986583
>beared teeth
>bearserk

>>95986620
You just know there will be a
>Bearis Boyar the bearskin, armed with a bear axe and the bearhelmet who rides a chariot pulled bear his trusted bear, who can use his bound ring to summon Ursa Major" a magic missile.

I thought Space Wolves from 40k had it bad. I can only imagine how Kislev might turn out.

>>95986560 (OP)
I assume they’ll have something like “ By Our Blood “ in Warhammer 3. In the vidya they become unbreakable temporarily the first time they are about to break. Maybe some kind of similar rule for tt?

Adding some skelegors to my undead. Might add some skelegobs as well. Need to source zombie versions as well if possible, maybe a box of plagued ones would be useful for making zombie-gors.

>>95986636
>armed with a bear axe

>not armed with his bear hands

>>95986662
Are Space Wolves' badly monothematic rules wise?
We know Kislev will be very monothematic aesthetically, but they might be quite diverse on the Rules end.

>>95986668
Sweet anon, I admire your efforts

Picked up some old WDs and got one that has the Kislev releases in it. I guess there should be a focus on these units, with a Boyar on bear, and Griffon Legion should maybe get a dual kit though with more stand out decoration since they play a big role in the Great War.

>>95986687
>Are Space Wolves' badly monothematic rules wise?
Not sure what you mean by this.

>>95986560 (OP)
>Ice Magic edition
It's always been weird to me that fire magic is one of the main lores of magic but not ice magic, or water magic, or earth magic for that matter.
air magic can simply be azyr, but apparently water elementals are meant to be ghyran while earth is hysh(?!).

>>95986560 (OP)
>TQ
Whatever it is, it’s going to power creep wood elves.

>>95986702
I fell asleep looking at this page.

>>95986729
frosty the snow bear more your thing?

>>95986718
You can only play Space Wolves one way with no deviation.
I don't mean theirs an optimal way to play the faction I mean you can only play the faction a single way with very little or no variation.

>>95986754
There's no version of Kislev that isn't boring.

>>95986757
kislev as simply 3 units (horse archers, winged lancers, ice bitch) at the tail end of armybook: the empire works quite well

>>95986756
Historically, yes. You run lots of combat units with combat characters with variation being in the units.
Wolves riding Wolves
Wolf men
Wolf terminators
Wolf dreads

I don't know what they'll do in 10th but the other books tend to have more variety but I would put money down on it all boiling down to getting into combat

>>95986560 (OP)
>TQ
The Ice witches and Ice Guard should get a special rule that replaces replaces Flaming attacks with a special an Ice rule equivalent.
e.g If an Ice Witch can take Battle Magic and rolls the Fireball spell, they should replace the flaming rule from the spell with somthing a frostbite rule or somthing.

>>95986541
>Dominance is more than winning but I think that nuance is lost on you
Anon, you are like a woman in a miniskirt at a bar sneering at the girls wearing low-cut tops and push-up bras for being "sluts".
Your both interested in the same thing, you just have a very... conceited way at looking at it.

>>95986817
>T.ranny

>>95986817
>still crashing out from last thread
NTA but not only are you still retarded you aren't even making sense. STFU and let the thread continue without your autistic rants.

>>95986849
The only one autistically ranting is the guy screeching that WYSIWYG is required.
>>95986846
I accept your concession!

>>95986817
Fuck off perry

Any decent WHFB books that feature ogres or the ogre kingdoms?
> Ib4 BL Slop
I know I just need some background noise for painting/working out/work

>>95986869
None. Ogres were just a bit more developed than chaos dwarves, but thats it. You can at best, find a story where one or two are an npc.

>>95986857
kill yourself autistic faggot
>>95986864
kill yourself schizo boogyman faggot

>>95986869
I think there is a short story about a tavern in Ostermark somewhere that's all I remember.

>>95986869
Wild Kingdoms is I think, the only BL book that features Ogres in any capacity.

>>95986869
>I just need some background noise for painting/working out/work
Try Tilea's Troubles, it does feature ogres quite a bit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOj-q60cwFY&list=PLZR93hnfS9RLDCAdvsTJOk3MNObrWBjje

>>95986869
could try some WFRP books like Archives of Empire vol 2, and Tribes and Tribulations, both have Ogre content in them but are probably not worth buying sololy for that content

>>95986869
Tamurkhan

>>95986898
They're in a Gotrek and Felix book. Felix vomits on the feet of an ogre female, who then falls in love with him as that is a courting ritual in their culture.

>>95986922
>>95986902
>>95986898
>>95986891
Hmmm anything on audible?

>>95987035
lol. Lmao.

>>95987035
Best I could find on ABB was stuff like the Gotrek and Felix books and Book 1 of Malus Darkblade. Annoyingly, GW won't say if and when they'll do more for Malus which sucks cause I really enjoyed working through the first three books.

>>95987035
Best bet is type in what you want in YouTube and see if someone ai voiced it or even some brave no name did their own reading. Assuming it's not on BL which few fantasy novels are.

>>95987017
Sounds are about right for female ogres

Well I have counts and brets, but what about my third army?

>>95987241
You got undead with the Vamps and a Charge-y army with the Brets, so why not something new with Dwarfs or Welfs.

>>95987294
True maybe orcs or welf, or helf.. idk

>>95986702
The kossars were really nice little models. I'm so-so on the winged lancers and gryphon legion but they look great, and so do the horse archers.

>>95986683
is that bearflation? that should be 16/16

>>95987411
Boyz and gobbos are always the answer

Are Dwarf royal clan warriors good? In either configeration.

>>95987241
why even bother starting a second army? I can barely even expand what I already have.

>tq
No army specific rules. The mages give -1 initiative to enemy units they are engaged in combat with. Knights cause fear against infantry, terror against cav. Maybe a leadership debuff on those tests if you have a rank bonus.

>>95987511
I'd lean towards shield. Their best utility seems to be in being cheapest stubborn shieldwall.

Should I go with wood elves or cathay?

>>95987594
Wood elves

>>95987594
Cathay

>>95987594
Cathayan elves.

>>95987682
>sigmar shit

>>95987594
Wood Cathayans (Nippon)

Got a 1k battle coming up. Chaos vs Dwarfs.

Which is better between:

7 Chaos Knights, Lances, Khorne and Icon of Darkness for -1 to hit with shooting

Or

6 Chosen Knights with full plate and Lances

Or

5 Chosen Knights with Lances, Full Plate, Khorne and full command

All are around 230 to 250 points.

>>95987711
You mean the viet…whatever the Vietnam equivalent of warhammer is

>>95987594
Wood Elves has more units by virtue of being an older range, but Cathay has newer sculpts. I’d say Cathay personally, on the cope they get Battle Monks eventually….

>>95987711
>Nippon
Will GW make a Nippon faction for TOW someday? I figure it would be just as popular as Cathay, more so because they're Japs instead of chinks.

>>95987740
Probably after Chorfs and Kislev, not any time soon. Two azn factions one after another isn't happening

>>95987730
Khuresh?
High elves do have an outpost on the southern tip of Nippon, or the Warhammer version of Okinawa.

Got myself and almost finished a Hellcannon lads, what am I in for other than disappointment?
>>95986668
S o u l
Make sure to get some skeletal orcs in there too

>>95987740
If TOW’s fortunes keep looking up, maybe someday. Though I’d be happy with even just the Ninja Ogre coming back….

>>95986668
I really love your shields anon

>>95987601
>>95987624
>>95987682
>>95987711
>>95987731
The sale of which one would help ToW more?

>>95987808
Wood Elves probably

>>95987745
I figured it would be a long time in the future, especially when considering Cathay like you said.
>>95987762
>Though I’d be happy with even just the Ninja Ogre coming back….
Same. I would love a MTO with those Ogre Maneater models sometime soon.

>>95987740
I sincerely hope not. If they keep making human factions they’d just be making another space marine conundrum.

>>95987773
Thanks, I put the digital ones up on cults to download as "funny face shields" if you want them

Also had this article which interestingly depicts Numas' colours as being black rather than the red it is now, not sure when that changed.

>>95987711
nippon is the eastern equivalent of bretonnia, not wood elves, I say.

>>95987924
Except Nippon loves Gunpowder

>>95987808
The of World

>>95987808
>which product purchase would better help this massive corporation profit

lol

>>95987956
so did Bretonnia originally

>>95987761
Love that handsome man

>>95987956
equivalent doesn't mean identical

>>95987924
Eh, Samurai with Guns is a pretty cursory factoid of Oda Nobunaga’s campaign, and from my understanding, what little lore there was pre-End Times was there Battleships outfitted with many. cannons if anything they could recycle the sculpts for Empire Firearms since Japan got its guns from Europe.

>>95987740
>>95987956
For the love of god, GW better get some actual native Japanese sensitivity consultants because they cannot afford another AC Shadows situation because they are currently building 30 new GW store in Japan. Also, expect them to get a Leagues of Votann style rework.

>>95987740
isn't Nippon supposed to be isolationist and basically impossible to find? There's really no reason they'd be involved in TOW at all.

>>95988081
>For the love of god, GW better get some actual native Japanese sensitivity consultants because they cannot afford another AC Shadows situation
Would GW open up a Japanese cultural team or whatever it was called like they did for Cathay and Chinese culture?
>they are currently building 30 new GW store in Japan.
Are GW getting more popular over there or are they just hoping more stores = more buyers in a different region?

>>95987726
Honestly vs dwarves assuming no gyro spam might be the one time frenzy isn't much an issue

>>95988081
im pretty sure GW doesn't need a sensitivity team to know that the special characters for Nippon should be from Nippon
If any Samurai characters exist in Warhammer, they probably should be Dogs of War characters

>>95988150
If any Foreign Samurai exist*
It's not like Al Muktar was an Araby character, he was a Dogs of War character

Nippon speak is cringe.

>>95988230
No more so than German and Nordic speak, from an English company.

>>95988081
What's wrong with Nippon getting Black Samurais? Black characters commonly found in the Empire.

>>95988230
British English is the worst.

>>95988269
Fuck off, really

>>95988275
I feel like this is fetishization

>>95987956
>>95988065
Look, don't get tangled up in the details, I promise the parallel of knight society with samurai society makes sense in my head, especially with the headcanon around it.
But the important thing in all of that is that I can justify going from pic related...

>>95988273
nah, the British should translate 100% of all manga and anime into English, it would just make them better
case in point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4CAlyuvXdU

>>95988283
...to pic related.

I way nippon is the equivalent of bretonnia because I need it to be to pull this off, we can address the minutiae later.

There’s way too much shit to add before even dreaming about Nippon. Hobgoblin Khanate would be way more interesting anyways.

>>95987740
>>95987956
>>95988150
It's going to be so fucking amusing if somehow, Nippon suddenly becomes playable before Kislev. The running joke is GW is waiting for the Ukraine War to end before finally releasing Kislev. They got a whole backlog of armies they can stall with until the war is over and even release new ones if it keeps on going.

>>95988449
That's what Arcane Journals are for anon.

This thread feels like a consumer circle jerk. I wonder if that’s what Perry anon saw.

>>95988449
>Hobgoblin Khanate would be way more interesting anyways.
No, they wouldn't, they're just your average goblin wolf riders but with fu manchu moustaches.

>>95988449
I don't think anyone is suggesting it's happening anytime soon if ever, it's more about toying around with the ideas.

>>95986560 (OP)
Just finished up this bad boy. Just 40~ stormvermin and a few weapons teams and I'll have a fully painted 4k army.

>>95988467
also big squigs

>>95986773
I don't see why you even need winged lancers, are the just empire knights but a little more elite?

>>95988458
I miss the game being unsupported.

>>95988144
Zure but whuch of the 3 choices would be best?

>>95988458
>i hate it when people talk about the game they like without shitting all over it

>>95988507
One day we'll get the doom rocket back

>>95988540
I like when the talk about models they're painting and the games they've played, not speculating about the next official project to buy

we got warhammer

>>95988573
looks kinda gay

>>95988540
Then talk about the actual setting, be that the old world or fantasy battle, not some flimsy concept that could and could not happen. Its like you dont even actually like warhammer.

>>95988081
You get a special unit of Yasukes called Gaijin which are all unbreakable foreign samurai and their special character is Yasuke whom can take wounds for your general and if he does so he saves on a 3+/3++/3+++, but only a 5+ to himself.
The suicide bombers also stay.

I want to do something different from my infantry army
Should I do all Empire Cav w/ Demis or Beastmen All the Minos
The FAQ kind of fucked both these armies but I want to do something different.

>>95988608
You talk about it. Peoole are discussing. If you don't like the discussion, you direct it.

>>95988552
Sadly that is part of any consumer based hobby. No more different than a recent storyline in a comic series. What do you expect but to talk about the new thing?

>>95988772
this is only partially a consumer hobby, the things you buy are tools for your own projects

What armies have actually threatening shooting infantry post faq? Sisters of averlorn? Maybe blunderbusses?

>>95988573
Fuck off.

>>95988458
The last couple of weeks have been unbearable. I guess it's people jumping on Cathay's popularity, but the thread and board are just too slow for this amount of spam.

>>95988835
I mean the only thing that got worse about shooting was poison

>>95989014
If anything bows and handguns got an indirect buff with the fact there will now be units of t3 and t4 infantry stood on objectives to shoot at

>>95988835
I think basic glade guard with ap-2 or 2x shot should have more targets now infantry is encouraged to blob

>>95989169
ap-2
Taking a penalty for another armor save isn't worth it

>>95988529
I mean are you just fighting dwarves? I'd say MoN or MoK, with khorne better for getting that important combat res vs the now more likely bigger blocks of infantry that will get static +4 or 5 more often.

>>95989179
Vs state troops or gobbos its probbaly worth it dor extra shots no? I cba to math it but surely 2x shots for 18% less accuracy (still armor bane) is better at chaff clearing?
Just depends on what you want you Glade guard to do. My meta is more horde armies atm so I feel like it wouldn't be a waste but YMMV.

>>95988081
I'd hope that they get some jap consultants so they get the go to be more free with how Nippon is portrayed than Cathay, like I'd be fine with Nippon being a Inuyasha-inspired hellhole with plenty of monsters and vicious assholes padding out it's histories-lean into the actual lurid and savage history of feudal japan

>>95986560 (OP)
When should we expect a WFRP supplement for Cathay so we actually know how these guys are like, 2028?

>>95989199
BS4
Long Range Multi Shot hitting on 5s. 10 shots is 3.33 hits 1.67 wounds. 5+ save .1 wound
Long Range hitting on 4s. 10 shits is 5 hits, 2.5 wounds, no save

Today I got a 750pt game in with the wood elves and officially am 2-6 vs my buddies untested daemons of slaanesh. Of note
>16 glade guard fail to wound a single model for 2 turns, then 8 of them manage to wipe 4 seekers on a stand and shoot
>sopprific musks hurts elves
>befuddlement of Mischiefs on staghero really saved the wildriders
> lvl 1/2 wizards is gambling.
Obviously such small pts is prob not representative of both factions but was interesting, feel like wild riders with staglord and that netlings really helped me vs WS4 I5 stuff. Especially as with theninfantry changes his 15 man block of daemonettes took the charge and then afterwards it got dicey, only saved by my staghero. If he had died or whiffed a challenge it would have been GG turn 2

>>95989242
Umm wouldn't it be 20 at BS 5+ to hit shots?

>>95986560 (OP)
Haven't had the time to organise a new game with the latest FAQ but what are peoples thoughts so far? Is infantry good now?

>>95989263
Anon, I hope multiplying by 2 is something even you can do.

>>95988294
This is basically Samurai Jack

>>95988573
Kys

Would it be too "woody" for a Avelorn Prince to ride on a stag?
They have a forest theme but would it be too much to have him on one?

So are lizardmen good now? Temple guard hordes with engines of the gods launching fireballs around looks pretty based

>sisters of Avelorn and archers as my core, backed up by silverhelms and dragon princes
I just made another fucking Ottoman army, shit.

>>95989405
Plz don't compare my favorite elves with filthy turkroaches. Thank you

>>95989409
The allure of ranged infantry and cavalry spam calls out to my moorish blood.

>>95989359
Normal builds are better. Skink spam is dead, which was the best build so they are worse at their most competitive.

>>95989441
I was thinking a big unit of temple guard with war banner and a character with glyph necklace sounds pretty hard to kill, add in some engines which are decent combat monsters that can cast fireballs at bound level 3, then your required saurus squad, and maybe a few salamanders

If I declare a charge with 2 units into the same unit
Do I need to maximize the first one to move and potentially prevent the 2nd from making it in?

>>95989306
1.5k game of my lizards vs chaos today,
I’ll let you know.
>>95989463
Just keep in mind that tg squad will be 400-500 points. (I’m trying out glyph necklace with 13 saurus in 2linemani today. I’ll keep you posted anon.

>>95989441
Still wounds t3 on 2+ t4on3+ , but yes poison vs t6 is now 5’s to wound, not very cash money.

>>95989417
When I think ottoman armies I think rape, Janissaries, cannons, rape, guns, pirates and more rape
Cavalry doesn't really enter the picture

>>95989316
I think it would be ok desu as stags aren't region locked iirc, and averlorn is basically wood elves before 6th edition.

Trying some new Vallejo water effect stuff, just made a small footprint puddle behind his left foot. Not dry yet but looks pretty good so far. Going for a muddy battlefield look, think I used a bit too much grass on this guy but still like the results.

>>95989307
It makes a difference as your math (which was wrong at 1 wound its 1.11 at 10 shot) is now 2.25 wounds avg, then armor bane gets it to just under 2.5. Making it effectively the same vs 5+ armor on average rolls as armor bane.
Then at short range it's a like .1 more wounds factoring in armor bane so your still not seeing more damage on average.
In short armorbane is likely the better option with consistent damage even into 5+ armor. And multiple shot more swingy good or bad which usually means bad. Which would have been better to explain to>>95989199 instead of being a needlessly aggressive (and off) dick for I assume him pointing out the math didn't compare directly.

>>95989514
>the army that was mostly cavalry

>>95989466
Yes. If one unit will end up blocking the other, resolve the charge that won't block first.

>>95988150
Dogs of war should absolutely have new units from the various human locales that don't have full armies.
Samurai infantry or Calvary would be cool, maybe with some and of assassin that can pop in combat.
Araby wizards with elemental summon spells would be bad ass

Is this retarded or not, I feel like it is but it sounds fun
>Rat swarms move close as possible to infantry
>Globadiers follow up from behind
>If the rats fall back in good order it doesn't cause the globadiers to panic
>Globadiers can lob over rat swarms
>If I am feeling spicy I curse of arrow attraction the unit
It's very expensive and I am fairly sure this would achieve virtually nothing - but it's the closest thing I'll ever get back to shooting into combat

Which Imperial province is the most based and which is the most cringe?
And why is it middenheim for both?

>>95986702
If they brought back these minis I think I'd shit myself

>>95989712
>based
Ostermark for being sigmar fearing bastards who continue to defend the empire from all sorts of shit despite losing Mordheim and being dressed in the most gaudy colors (purple yellow/purple white). Also their count goes down like a G in the end times.
>cringe
Prob ostland, which is in a state of perpetually losing. Cool scheme tho.

>>95989712
>And why is it middenheim for both?
It makes my laugh beyond reason that the WOLF count, from the city of the white WOLF, who worships the WOLF god, actively choses to be protected by knights dressed as kitty cats and not the wolf knights

>>95988522
The reason is that the wings look really really cool

Can I use a dragon and not be that guy at the same time

>>95989882
In 2k points I think 1 dragon lord, armed with not optimal shit (usually a regen armor, 5++ ward, and some sort of weapon that is multiple wounds) is totally fine.

>>95986560 (OP)

>TQ

Couldn't you just use appropriate empire rules for kislev, maybe ally bretonnia for horse archers? Is the Kislev heavy cavalry really so different that you can't use any of the knightly order rules to represent them on the tabletop?

>>95989893
Kislevite horse archers should probably be bs4

>>95989891
>a dragonlord at 2k is fine
God I hate Nuhammer and its playerbase

>>95989948

Why?

>>95989962
Because isn’t their whole thing that they descend from eastern steppe people who are turkic horse archer like?

>>95986560 (OP)
Share some lore from your dudes!
>What is the name of your general/leader
>Do they have a treasure a place or some sort of artifact they’re guarding?
>Are they (in)famous in their region they inhabit or are they an obscure force?
>and [/spoiler]what goes on in Talabecland?

>>95989978

Yes, but I think abilities like reserve move and feigned flight are more important in that regard compared to marginally more accurate S3 shooting without ap.

>>95989957
>T. No games fag mad people like fantasy models in a fantasy game

>>95986702
So damn kino HNNNGGG

>>95989585
>muddy battlefield
Cool, don't think ive actually seen an army based that way irl. Did you put just straight black wash over the silver or is it mixed?

>>95989984
I’ve had preliminary ideas for a Pirate Themed Empire army. The broad strokes:
>attack a coastal city and conduct a successful decapitation strike
>”Arr this be a pirate town now, you’ll be paying us an obscene sum of (X) money to our crew now,”
>Don’t go asking fer help, no rulers or local law enforcement are alive to save ye,”
>”Hurrah! This band of heroes has killed the tyrants and lowered the taxes!”
Wanna save some extra hobby budget up first since buying a bunch of stuff at once is apparently better for kitbashing a whole army.

>>95989891
>>95989882
Also I think dragons will be much less OP going forward with the massive faq.

>>95989514

Ottoman armies were mostly cavalry. Janissaries would stand and shoot from behind wagons and other field fortification while the main striking arm of the ottoman army was the cavalry.

>>95989984
>What is the name of your general/leader
Skitzo Headsplitter, Warchief of Clan Skub
He killed his previous Warchief with the assistance of a Grey Seer known as Vaar Blackhide. Vaar gave Skitzo an ungodly amount of strength enhancing mutagen from Moulder but now relies on a stready stream of it to survive. (Skitzo is equipped with a Wizarding hat to make him slightly magical from the warpstone mutagen and also insanely stupid for falling for Vaar's shit)
>Do they have a treasure a place or some sort of artifact they’re guarding?
We just love stealing shit and killing people. Or whatever Vaar puts Skitzo up to when convinient.
>Are they (in)famous in their region they inhabit or are they an obscure force?
Mostly obscure but that's because Skaven aren't real. Unless they're in Sylvania because the Vampire Counts have to keep chasing them off their lawn everytime they go for a warpstone raid.

Am I blind or did gw not release a mage on horse for the wood elves

>>95990008
>has never played anything but TOW

>>95990051
You should primarily play with free company militias for the extra rowdy feel

>>95990074
I've played since 5th and there's been dragons since before then, many people liked the special characters that came with them. Immrik, Rakarth (then malekith), Egrimm van Horstmann the G, the wood elf one, etc. Then 6th edition and 7th introduced many more in plastic. They wree often not as OP as they have been in TOW, but still some of th emost popular models.
The fact you think dragons are somehow only TOW popular shows that you are 100% a newfag shitposting.

>>95990073
Wasnt there one on the MTO for woodies?

>>95990089
No one played with dragons in 6th faggot, stop lying

>>95989188
Ok. But I meant the three 3 choices of chaos knight set ups >>95987726

>>95990092
Only mages I can see on their page are on foot

>>95990112
>kid thinks anyone gave a fuck about metas and didn't just play what looked cool back in 2000
Yeah, hate to break it to you, but back then not everyone spent every second terminally online looking up strats or even communicating about the game online. Its just something children will never understand, that people didn't have a constant stream of information pushing against their own desires.

>>95990118
Sorry anon I don't know if I'll be use there as I'm no WoC expert but fwiw I think chosen knights slap very hard now post FAQ.
>>95990119
Pic related was what I was referencing.

>>95988081
>>95988269
Asia is safe, althought wiht the recent news, they are taking in more browns...

>>95990159
Thank you. Will give chosen knights a go

>>95989770
Knight of the White Wolf are templars, while the Panthers are secular.
So the White Wolf protects Ar-Ulric, while the Panthers protects the Graf.
Also, I would assume the Graf back in the Crusades allowed them to settle in Middenheim, hence why that chapter's the Graf's bodyguards

Working on my cockatrice, on my way to 1k.

>>95990196
to be clear its more so infantry is harder to budge so cav thats harder hitting might be better. vs elf spears or some ASF shit it might be a wash now, and again, I am no expert at all on the chosen vs normal knight efficiency or anything. In fact, normal knight might be better as a core tax. but 2x the attacks without frenzy's downsides should serve you well and chaos armor helps a tiny bit with durability. Take my feedback with a grain of salt.

>>95989217
It will probably be a TOW RPG Supplement, but yeah, date sounds about right

>>95990066
>Clan Skub
Heh

Is this guy for sale anywhere? Including recasters

>>95990202
The Todbringers and Knights Panther are actually bound together by some specific secret. Presumably this does not extend to other, pre-Todbringer grafs.

I like that it's not all wolfwolfwolf though. GW needs to learn to restrain that impulse and occasionally do something 'non-thematic' just to prevent them falling into horrible cliches.

>>95986702
Love that page layout. This was well past the most legendary WD era, stillmania an all that, but for me it's the issues around 300 that really feel like home.

Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>95990326
Wrong thread bro

4 more days until this shit turns into dynasty warriors. i can already hear the generic hard rock and chinese woodwinds playing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0y6sYQiIp0

>>95990313
https://cdn.website-editor.net/2fce1e32388248d6b12b0df468588849/files/uploaded/bretonia+price+list+25.06.25.pdf

page 9, very good recaster.

>>95990365
Tyvm

Boar boys with a frontage of 6 with big uns, banner if butchery, angry ladz flag from a bsb, and cavalry spears got 30+ S6 attacks with AP 1-2 between them and the pigs on a charge.

Its a green day.

>>95990335
I will play kingdom under the fire the crusaders and stare at elf butt to mentally prepare.

>>95990365
Ho Lee Shit. Is there a list for vampire counts?

>>95989978
>all the other mongol analogues stuck at bs3+
>polish peasant archers get bs4+
Fuck you

>>95986702
These guys and the 40k Vostroyans were so sick.

Were the original chaos dwarf blunderbusses single or multi piece?

>>95990446
Speaking of which
>tabletop ungol horse archers
>barechested cossacks with shaved heads and forelocks
>TW 'kislev horse archers'
>actually wear more clothes than the other kislev troops
>not even called ungols
The horse archers in Total War are just sad. They went from being one of kislev's two iconic units to being a forgettable side unit with no character.

>>95990474
Does TW even mention the Ungol/Gospodar ethnicities, or are they just slavblobs?

>>95990446

It was good enough for 6E

>>95990487
Then go play 6th faggot

>>95990481
No, it was an intentional decision to avoid the ungol/gospodar split, even though it's been a part of Kislev lore since the 80s.

>>95990438
Email him

>>95990498
It is kinda confusing how the Ungols are the European cossacks and the Gospodars the asiatics.
With those names you'd think it'd be the other way around.

>>95990481
The hag character is an ungol so presumably. Although looking at her wiki article, ungols are never mentioned except once within the term 'ungol hag mother'. Poor old ungols went from the rulers of kislev in WFRP 1e to the oppressed minority in 6e to nonexistent in TW.

>>95990515
please understand, fictional racism is too racist

>>95990512
Don't forget about the Roppsman as well, who are also another random ethnic group in Kislev that were either there before the ungols arrived or came after the Gospodars

>>95990512
They're not. Quick history of kislev's ethnicities:
>WFRP 1e: Gospodars are slav peasants, Ungols are vaguely asiatic steppe invaders who took over (like real life). I think the Norse were actually the ruling caste.
>6e: It gets flipped around for some bizarre reason. Ungols are the nomadic native(debateable) people who are still somewhat asiatic, Gospodars came from the east but are strangely more sedentary and slavic.
Aesthetically Ungols draw on both Mongol and Cossack imagery.

If you have a character with laurels of victory in a challenge, would overkill points still be capped out at +5 res, or would you be able to exceed the normal overkill bonus? They fixed the griffon standard to not be stuck at normal res bonus, but it doesn't seem as clear if the intention for laurels is the same or not.

>>95990542
To add to this, despite evidence that the Ungols have been in Kislev since Sigmar's time at least, there's also a lot of material that shows them living further east as well. The 4th edition Empire book (which is probably in accordance with the WFRP 1e stuff says that they live in the 'Zaborota' or Far Lands beyond the World's Edge Mountains. The new TOW map has a label for the Ungols to the east too. I assume GW is going to rewrite the relationship between the Gospodar and Ungols yet again to account for the new/resurrected 'Kislevite Far East'. Which is actually really cool. Or would be if I trusted GW's judgement.

>>95990564
It might be cool, depending on whether or not they consult a 'Slavic Sensitivity Team'. I guess it depends on how insecure GW think Eastern Euros are (the answer is a lot)

>>95990542
Is this just someone fucking up, an attempt to legitimise one group more than the other, or one of those cases where the contradiction is intentional and we're to consider the two versions what each group says about themselves?

>>95990600
I have no idea of their thought process. It seems too deliberate to be a fuck-up. Maybe they were trying to sort out Miska and the founding of Kislev. I forget how Miska was characterised prior to the 6e switchup.

>>95990438
yes

https://www.tabletopminiatures.de/

>>95987761
I've fielded the hellcannon three times and twice it died without causing a single wound. It's sadly overpriced and underpowered, but all stone throwers generally suck in this edition

>>95990694
how were they different before?

>>95990600
>>95990685
Yeah, looks like Miska was already depicted as an invading Gospodar Khan-Queen in the 4e Empire book, so I guess the 6e change was an explicit resolution to a confusion dating back to 4e.

>>95990708
bigger bases = harder to auto-hit
weaker infantry = less big blobs

Would it be cringe to mix GW's ironbreakers and hammerers with highland miniature's quarellers and dwarf warriors?

>>95990724
Asking whether something will be "cringe", i.e. potentially socially unacceptable, is the sign of a weak mind. If you cannot fathom to step out of the self-imposed norm without the approval of strangers online then stay within the comfort of conformity.

>>95990694
Stone throwers aren't universally bad. Off the top of my head, the dwarf one is supposed to be slightly better into monsters than their cannon. The Empire and Skaven ones can put in work if combo'd with the a toughness debuff spell. Doom divers are also good. Screaming skulls are important for certain TK builds. Hellcannons just suck because they are over twice the points, a 3" template, and has a chance to misfire before you even shoot it each turn.

>>95990724
Just scale them down to 90%

>metafags already talking about running 6 lanterns and not interacting with the game
Absolute faggots

>>95990767
This guy's army is so ugly. 100% 3D prints with revolting neon pink OSL airbrush effects on everything

>>95990767
reminder that this was also the guy who took like 14 gyropcopters to an event and called it an army

How do i politely decline playing against a bret tournament player

Dwarf Rangers should be M4.

>>95990776
>>95990781
Is this the gyro army with the massive Christmas trees on every base

>>95990787
>Sorry dude not interested in vsing calvary focused lists right now haha

>>95990787
Don't be a vibe destroyer

>>95990767
I used to like this guy for decent army reviews but he’s really changed into a metafag that’s somehow wrong about everything.
>everything in Cathay is shit apart from the cannons and lanterns
>no explanation as to why just glosses over them
>completely contrary to what everyone else says about how undercosted they are

>>95990798
i think so, i know his bases are winter themed

>>95990799
Thanks i will try this.

>>95990800
Last time i played against him he kept slamming the table everytime there was a minor inconvenience.

>>95990787
Just say you want to play a casual game, if he’s willing to do that sure

>>95990810
NTA but most tourneyfags still act like cunts even if you ask for a casual game. They're too obssessed with winning and not having a good time.

>>95990810
This: >>95990822. These people have no hope. Cut them off.

>>95990822
it's not that they're obsessed with winning, it's that they genuinely do not understand any other approach to playing the game that isn't minmaxing everything they can.

>>95990832
is it autism that causes this?

>>95990822
This is why i want to decline.

He will just run the green knight and a bunch of pegasus knights regardless if i ask for a casual game. I asked if he had any other army to play with. And hes now crashing out at me.

>>95990835
No, plenty of normies think like that too.

>Found two (2!) new players to groom
>One of them wants to play Tomb Kings while my own armies Super Speshul lore is set on the Sylvanian border
>More importantly he can't afford the box (I've already offered up my 3d prints)
>The other one wants to play 40k
Going to sell them Kill Team for now. I'll catch and trap them into Fantasy Proper later.
>>95989316
Seems totally fine. I was planning to do a Crace warband at some point that would prominently feature Wood Elf bits because I've never bought a High Elf box. Feels like innawoods High Elves should still have "woody" qualia to some extent, and they're no strangers to befriending exotic animals.

How would one go about creating short grassy bases? Like the steppes. I've tried static grass but it always looks shit.

>Final exam of the semseter tomorrow
>Winter school the following week
>Work weekends
I have exactly 2 days to paint 40 Stormvermin, 3 weapons teams, 10 acolytes, a doomflayer and base 100 clan rats. Around 10 years ago I purchased a Queek Headtaker model and promised myself it would be the last model I paint to maximise my painting skills before painting my favourite character model.

Wish me luck and lend me your strength anons, its going to be a dogshit 48 hours.

>>95990885
Use a mat

>>95990885
Greenstuffworld has very short static flock.
https://www.greenstuffworld.com/en/145-2-3-mm

>>95990691
>straight up linking
Anon...

>>95990885
You're looking for tufts, not static grass.

Also fur mats
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=134940.0

Do you think they'll bring back the forsaken kit?

i know some people said "it was really ugly" but like, it was characterful and hell-wrought mutants aren't meant to be pretty

>>95990974
if they didn't realy bring it back i somewhat doubt it

>>95990974
Isnt it meant to be ugly.

>>95990974
I'm surprised they didn't. Aren't these guys from 7th?

>>95990979
Yeah that's basically my point
In any case they had a lot of fun bits

>>95990974
it had 3 flaws
>ugly
>overpriced
>shit rules
and 1 virtue
>good for bits

unfortunately the 3 flaws were too much all together, 2 of the 3 could have worked, but all 3? doomed the kit, if they bring it back they really have to address the price, some the stability of rules can only go so far for so long at a time.

>>95990982
>>95990987
>>95990997
Should I just convert mine from chaos warriors + spawn kit?

>>95990979
Kinda, but some people didn't want a long awaited reintroduction of mutated bits into the chaos range, but rather fantasy badass possessed.

>>95991004
Unlike popular belief, the chaos spawn bits don't really make for good parts to convert chaos infantry because they're way too large for the normal infantry models.

To build a healthy amount of bits for human-sized conversions you have to look elsewhere, for example pink horrors, plaguebearers and crypt ghouls can be easily torn apart for weird or multiple limbs and body parts (as well as tails, tentacles and horns) and scrapping chaos armour to integrate those elements into a chaos warrior is easy (especially the less static looking aos ones or the more modular and less recognisable blood warriors)

>>95990042
It's nuln oil over army painter plate mail metal yeah. Then dry brushed with a lighter silver from citadel forgot the name

>>95990694
Mine has done good wounds in shooting and fucked up people's line several time with panics. Its even killed a giant in melee. Its chaos, its a really fickle unit.

>>95991051
For the price of one hellcannon, you almost get two deathshriekers or a deathshrieker with an engineer to babysit it. But an ass cannon proxy never fails to put a smile on my face

>>95990974
Id welcome it but more for bits as I feel like the forsaken unit exists more for kitbashing. The proper kit gives more small scale mutations.

>>95991068
Oh yeah its crap for the points. Its more that its funny when it works as the panic can earn its points back due to the domino effect. Killingwise it really suffers from the base size changes. It should causes some extra hits in addition to those under the template if it hits a unit or soemthing (this wouldnt work and itd be awkward but you get idea).

Why are goblins so cool

Does someone know if pic related has a big height difference with the manticore lord? I want him for my nurgle army.

>>95991164
It's about the same height since the manticore is rearing up. I'd happily see this model be used as a sorcerer lord or chaos lord on manticore.

>>95990982
late 7th or 8th. this and the spawn kit were basically an attempt to bring back the "mutation sprue". both kits were kind of shit and kind of expensive though. and at the end of the day the mutants you make yourself with greenstuff are always better.

>>95991164
https://minicompare.info/

>>95991164
the height is good, but the manticore has that extra silhouette and a shape that makes it look like something more vicious in combat, nothing a good scenic base couldn't solve, really, for example you could have tainted trees with wicked claws emerging from the ground around it, or convert a pair of similarly winged herald-familiars to represent that extra viciousness and fill up the base.

sylvaneth recasts are probably a good resource for those between smaller cavalry, infantry and spells themed around insects.

>>95990974

I thought of combining the frostgrave demons with the mechanical melee arms from the stargrave cyborgs box to make weird techno-daemon mutants, but maybe it strays too far from current Warhammer aesthetics?

>>95991216

And here are frostgrave demons for reference. Great kit really.

>>95991227
They gave quite an uruk hai look to their armour

>>95991216
>but maybe it strays too far from current Warhammer aesthetics?
Probably, especially if that's the only part of the army with such an element or it's not some odd thing one dude in the unit has as an easter egg.

For example if your army has a sizeable force of chaos dwarfs or a soulgrinder, then perhaps some cyberforsaken work, or skaven allies, with the forsaken imagined as skryre-augmented lobotomised purchases.
But aside from those two edge cases even khornate mechanical constructs and warmachine try to blend the mechanical element with demonic flesh or hide it under enough armor it could he argued to be a magical artifact.

>>95991216
>strays too far from current Warhammer aesthetics?
Nah its chaos, you can do whatever you want. Chainswords, boltguns, meltas/"technological weapons" and soulgrinders all exist within the setting, a few mechanical arms wont stick out much.
Ive been meaning to make a unit of plaguebearers with rusted mechanical limbs just for fun.

>>95991250

I've plenty of chaos dwarfs actually, I like to imagine them selling really substandard kits to nearby chaos tribes all the while saying " for you my friend, special price".

>>95991251

I believe that was before the aesthetics and geography of the setting was really codified, soul grinders are a later addition of course, that still get a lot of justified flack.

>>95991275
On that note - why don't chaos dwarfs sell things like blunderbusses and similar to chaos warriors? Of all the firearms out there, they're the easiest to maintain and use - just stuff gunpowder + random metal bits for shotte and whatever paper/fibre/wadding you can get your hands on

>>95991282
They may be the easiest but they are still finicky, delicate devices that I doubt the average warrior has the patience to maintain, they probably also dont find shooting someone especially satisfying compared to chopping them up.

What happened to perryfag?

>>95991306
diabetic coma

>>95991301
>Can go on arduous quests to obtain dark blessings
>Can survive in the chaos wastes
>Can slay monsters that would slay empire men
>Cannot put 3 things in a hole and pull a lever

>>95991301
But yeah if there's a genuine explanation its probably the latter and existence of a martial culture that values melee combat

>>95991282
The real reason is just aesthetics.

>>95991282
because if you sell weapons they can be turned against you, while if you sell services, you can turn against your contractor at the first necessity.

also the main problem with guns isn't the manufacture of the gun itself but the creation of stable and consistent supply lines to keep them ready to use with gunpowder and projectiles, that's simply not doable with the nomadic and fickle hordes of chaos.

guns for chaos warriors are the stuff for rare champions, more than basic troops.

>>95991320
Thats using a firearm, not maintaining it over the length of a campaign, and requires very different skills and interests to what I imagine they'd have, you might as well say
>how can he can bench 6 plates and beat a man unconcious in a ring but is unable to sit still and untangle 30 pairs of wired headphones

>>95991170
>>95991203
>>95991212
Thanks for the replies, guess I know what my next project is!

>>95991361
Chaos warrior equipment would maintain itself. They don't use ranged weapons though, because it's the big gay and there is no glory in shooting someone. Though there is no reason they couldn't receive it as a kind of blessing, if they're god thought they'd need some ranged power, similar to a breath attack. But then we're beyond a simple chaos warrior imho.

>>95991474
Eh glory is khorne's thing
Nurgle fits up close and personal to share his blessings better
Slaanesh fits melee because its more sensational and artistic to duel than to shoot someone
But tzeentch does not give a fuck and might be okay with it

does anyone have color scheme leaks from the cathay AJ?

>>95987956
>Nazi kabuki at home
>kamikaze squad
>basedjak ashiguru squinter
yeah the sensitivity team got some work ahead of themselves

>>95988772
>Sadly that is part of any consumer based hobby.
yeah but miniature wargaming isn't supposed to be a "consumer based hobby". it's supposed to be creative and diy. it's just that gw and paypigs are a cancer that ruin everything they touch.

>>95991524
Honestly, they should simply expand eshin to be both ninjas AND samurai and other asian miscellanea like kamikazes, fake parade dragons and fireworks warmachines, instead of leaving everything to skryre to solve.

>>95991578
well, I just want a nipon gojira model to monster mash with

>>95991601
also something skaven can have

>>95991627
that is model is rad

>>95991420
just a heads up, if you only want one, trolltrader often has singles of the fly dudes at a pretty good price, sometimes even new on sprue

>>95991578
Well now I want Skaven geisha

>>95991725
granted
they're transvestite, not females

>>95991750
I'm into it
A master assassin dolled up with a razor fan

>>95991750
He's a Skaven player. That's what he wants.

>>95991489

I've thought that spears and pikes would be weapons that nurglites like, due to the nature of pike combat. However, chaos tribes probably aren't disciplined enough to drill their warriors to be able to form phalanxes, not to mention maneuvering in them. I guess their religion also makes them into egoistic glory seekers instead of being disciplined soldiers.

If I made a "Four horsemen of the apocalypse" unit of Chosen Chaos knights, which chaos god would fit best with each archetype?

White horse/Conquest (no, not 'pestilence' as that is a much later interpretation)

Red horse/War

Black horse/Famine

Pale horse/Death

I think:
Conquest = Slaanesh (fits the idea of an affluent and proud, conquering ruler. Also this is the only rider who has a bow rather than a melee weapon, suggesting a degree of refinement or subtlety)

War = Khorne (rather obvious here, khorne is the most martial god, and the horse is already a red horse)

Famine = Tzeentch (the actual text around this figure mentions that goods would rise to high prices, implying a theme of a harsh bargain on the background of events being engineered by a puppeteering power. also, the rider bears a pair of weighing scales, which feels rather tzeentchy - more prone to measuring/considering/manipulating things than direct action).

Death = Nurgle (nurgle is ultimately a death god, feeding on the energies of mortals at the despair they feel towards decay and the winding down of all things to their end, whereas his worshippers embrace the inevitable).

The only real alternative I see might be to switch Conquest and Famine respectively to be Tzeentch (again noting themes of subtlety and indirect action noting weapon choice) and Slaanesh (the text also says "but do not damage the oil and the wine" which might imply a theme of the wealthy and affluent lording it over those who cannot even afford basic food, and of course gluttony and selfishness are right up slaanesh's alley) .

>>95988269
Okay, let's play this game. Where are they from? Are they like.. escaped slaves from Araby? Descendants of Nehekaran slaves that survived Nagash being Nagash by being stuck in Araby at the time? Because south of Nehekara is mostly Lizardmen, and nothing living in Nehekara. They obviously aren't native to Bretonnia or the Empire. World build, motherfuckers, world build.

>>95991853
I reckon the former bunch works better coz Conquest has a kind of outward glory to it which fits better with the gaudiness of slaanesh than with tzeentch

>>95991578
The issue with Kamikazes as a concept is that they aren’t too era appropriate. I know it’s obviously 1 to 1 to real life history, but Kamikaze pilots were new to WW2. Would still be pretty perfect to do if Skaven got planes, but I don’t think GW would go that route.

>>95991854
bastard child of a sailor

>>95991867
Yeah but the ideas that go into Bushido aren't new, and thats the basis for it - the ideas of honourable death being preferable to capture, and the diminishment of one's life in deference to the glory of the cause.

>>95991869
So Araby coast pirate rape-babies, or Bretonnian/Empire sailors taking slave-wives from Araby? I guess that could work.

>>95991854
Despite being 15th century asethetics, the empire is early age of sail in terms of global reach, coast cities and ship crews very likely end up with a few southlanders from time to time (less so than in the real world though, since there is no carribean equiv or slave trade). I would say if for whatever reason you wanted a plausible black guy in the empire, either random guy in a marienburg army, or imperial wizard would make the most sense.

>>95991895
The issue with that is that Warhammer's "NotAfrica" isn't exactly the same. Lizardmen, Tomb Kings, and Araby. Skaven and Greenskins are all over, but that's like saying there's grass. I doubt pygmies are canon anymore either. But I do agree with Marienburg being the most likely place to find just about anyone or anything. From a relatively affable Norscan to a few elves arguing about the price of warpstone.
So I suppose if there are actually living "Africans" in the setting, they'd be in Marienburg if anywhere in the Empire. Stirland? unlikely.

>>95991922
Warhammer pygmies were only ever in Lustria, there were never a thing in the Southlands
We do have some Soutthlander designs thanks to David Gallagher, but that's about it

Every time I read how nippon should be adapted into warhammer here, I cringe.

>>95991938
Ah, thanks. I actually did not realize/remember pygmies were Lustrians. I thought the only human-ish people there were some particularly stupid Norscans and Amazons.
In honesty I just want more world building, and admit to not knowing shit. "They're just here deal with it" is the most fucking boring answer imaginable. Making it make sense is the easiest thing in the world. Why aren't there "native americans"? Because the fucking dark elves probably used them first as slave fuel to Khaine and building their cities, there.

>>95991938
If they made models based on these, would /wfg/ embrace it or would it ree?

>>95991964
Dogs of War units with added lore to where they're from and what their deal is? Why not. Not something I give a shit about, but it's nice to expand a setting.

>>95991964
bold of you to assume I want a second army
there isn't a single new model GW could make at this point that I'd buy, I just want them to sell all the old metal chaos model again

>>95991306
His wife found out he was posting pictures of her on 4chan and divorced him

>>95991895
It's rather doubtful the Empire, or really just Marianburg, has any Trading post cities* during the time period of TOW.
Due to being too focused on the centuries-long Civil War in the Empire itself
Of the two cannon Empire colonies in the Southlands, we have Leopoldheim, which hasn't been founded yet in the timeline, and Sudenburg, which doesn't show up on any TOW maps and isn't mentioned in the lore until after the Great War against Chaos.
which really just makes the justification for why weaker
*fantasy analogues to Portuguese or Spanish cities like Ceuta or Mazagão

>>95991306
He was a delusional spectre of the mind made up by autistic retards, similar to Carnac or Ben

>>95992017
It, however, is very funny to imagine what happened between TOW and Fantasy for the purge that must've happened.

>>95991884
I understand that, but interpreting those principles in the way that it produces suicide attackers was a Imperial Japan thing, and while I think it would be funny if GW recreated one of the Axis Powers in Warhammer Fantasy, I think it wouldn’t be on the table.

>>95991964
I like that design with the pelt, he'd be cool in a dogs of war army

>>95992017
>Leopoldheim
that's a bit on the nose

and yea at the time of TOW it would be still less likely, I was thinking in fantasy era where you would plauibly have humans from all over filtering to altdorf for mage's colleges, but in the 2300s you'd just have a stray in Marienburg or in a dogs of war army.

>>95992027
Most of the images of Black people from that pic originate from WFRP, so the Karl Franz era, where the Empire explicitly has Colonial interest in the Southlands, but that hasn't stopped C7 artists from having lots of black people in the new TOW RPG artwork with little justification.

>>95992030
Karl Franz penning a book about My War about how the Beastmen and Greenskins are ruining the Empire, and Bretonnian tariffs are causing problems.

>>95992017
I love tropical savanas so much bros
Heres a terrain set I made based on nagrand rom warcraft

>>95992070
and an actual game of 6e i played on it against my friends skellitons
(6e was the one time high elves sucked but the system is baller)

>>95991867
>if Skaven got planes
what if they got kites?

>>95992070
very nice anon.

>fatties
>grey tide
There’s a pattern here

>>95991938
pygmies landed on the world before the old ones arrived and separated the continents, they could definitely be found in the southlands too

>>95992082
Eshin technology right there.

>>95991854
Nowhere. There are no blacks in fantasy.

>>95992077
techincally that was warbands
Heres a real game of whfb full sized against a fucking tree

>>95992088
I mean I'm fat but hate playing with unpained models
My empire friend is in better shape than I but his team is largely grey

Also post battle pics.
Not even in a rude way. I just wnat to see battles

why are elves player often so fat?

>>95992100
Then why do they keep showing up in art and official GW paint jobs?

>>95992124
bro in any LGS tell me how many men and troons have a good BMI

>>95992101
I am still waiting for plastic dark elves before I make GW executives richer. I dig that sharp HElf scheme. That tree must've been a bitch to handle so it doesn't snap. At least I assume it was old ass resin.

>>95992125
Honestly that might as well be an Estalian with some Araby blood due to invasions/occupations.

>>95992125
That’s Spanish, not black.

>>95992146
Do Spaniards in real life look like Billy Dee Williams?

>>95992136
that one was plastic I think? But in the game t6 was such a bastard.
High elves really didn't have too much in the way of hammers beyond my Swordmasters (which often got to pieces despite precautions), the balista (which often miss), the knights (who can whiff their initial charge and are then boned) or waving a flag in its face (blessed combat resolution)
Thank Goodness Matt Ward would make High Elves BS in every edition afteward

>>95992022
>If only you knew newfag.
Before Cathay and the secondaries and a few powergamers made their nest here this thread was constantly derailed by a guy who would post historical diorama and try to pass them off as warhammer, while also shittalking every sculpt that wasn't a Perry sculpt. For months. Eventually it stopped working to get a rise, but then he crashed out after revealing he not only doesn't play games because irl people don't put up with his shit, he would have to beg his wife to ever have an opponent while she hated every part of it. Hence all those diorama were really just a lonely sad man's attempt to have a modicum of a game alone in his basement. He still tries to jump in and shitpost overly angsty stuff to inflame arguments but the truth is most the newfags here are AoS/secondaries so there's already a stream of drivel to drown him out. He had a good run tho and at least had more fun than say the retard last thread who sperged out legitimately because he couldn't read.

>>95992153
That >>95992125 doesn't look like Billy Dee Williams

>>95992161
might just be face blind then

>>95992117
Cool table, is that river from a modular set by chance?

>>95992125
>Normal hair
>Normal face features but tanned
That's an estalian or a tiliean you tard

>>95992170
you might be, yeah

>>95992130
outside of america, most of them are on the thin side, except elf players.

>>95992171
free stl on MMF actually, as is the bridge.
you'd be suprized how many terrain stls are free
https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-fantasy-wargame-terrain-stonebank-river-94333

You have to actively select the "free" filter though

>>95992046
It's not like they ever proffered an explanation for them in WFRP anyway. Those books have no art direction. Almost the only nice looking parts are the maps or art inherited from GW.

>>95992192
Dopez ill have to check these out. I need a river for my matches. Maybe it will tease some lizardmen out of hibernation to have aquatic be semi relevant for once.

>>95992217
Totes. Rivers are by far the most dramatic pieces of terrain. They split the board wide open, change plans and defending a bridge is such a perfect narative jumping point

>>95992160
I know the boogy men people make up are real, but it's annoying as fuck when it gets to stage where they buck break you faggots so badly you accuse every single person who annoys you of being the current thread lolcow

>>95992125
>and official GW paint
Cause the painters in gw wants to stick it up to chuds. They know nobody asked for it.

>>95992070
Is that a Warcraft orc building? I know the jpg could be Nagra and Board, but a typo to Nagrand Board isn't far off. I like the board though. Concerned about your amount of pocky however.

>>95992211
>Those books have no art direction
I think the C7 team does think each bookline has its own art direction.
You can see that from interviews when C7 staffers were asked to justify TOW RPGs' existence, and one was the different art direction for the book compared to WFRP, an argument that falls flat when 60% of the player guide is just reused from different WFRP editions.
>the only nice looking parts are the maps or art inherited from GW.
I disagree here, both WFRP and TOWRPG have some decent artwork, but it's very artist-dependent and theme-dependent.

>>95992252
Don't be as massive of a faggot as the resident lol cow and you won't catch that accusation, easy really.

>>95992259
nagrand board. Yes warcraft orc realm
Thats the store's poki they sell lmao

why is this general so obsessed with black people?

>>95992284
Spiritually they are black

>>95992260
Funnily the 4e core book has almost all the worst art, a lot of the supplements actually look quite nice. But overall it's very hit or miss, I agree. There's one artist in particular who likes to draw fat, toad-like and vaguely asiatic looking women which are all over the character art. It's sort of a strange choice. Characters (especially background ones) being sort of ugly and creepy looking is definitely part of WFRP's style, but some of these ones are just really unpleasant to look at and don't make a lot of sense to me.

For 6th how mandatory are skaven slaves, especially for a skryre focused list? Any list building recommendations for a 2k list? I'm not looking to be competitive I'm just looking to have fun.

For reference I currently have 2 units of clanrats at around 25 minis each, both with a weapons team. I have 3 jezzails and I plan on getting a couple engineers. I also have a grey seer. For a 2k list should I take skryre or warlord, and should I make the grey seer my lord or the other choice?

Thanks in advance

>>95992305
>There's one artist in particular who likes to draw fat, toad-like and vaguely asiatic looking women which are all over the character art.
Do you remember the artist's name? I think that describes at least two or three artists C7 still hires

>>95992262
Except you stupid faggots will name drop your brain demons for literally anything.

>>95992125
That's just an iberian

>>95992339
I remember talking about it and looking it up when the core book was released, but I've forgotten since then. Anyway, not the first time I've played an RPG where the art doesn't really do it for me, and I really like the game itself, so I've just learned to look past it.

>>95992284
Why is GW?

>>95992360
Yeah that's fair

>>95990974
I have literally never seen this kit before. Very late 8th edition surely.

Are wardancers good? I see them too squishy and with too little S to do anything against anyone that isn't chaff

>>95992348
Then stop bring a total perryfaggot.

>>95992453
>are they good?
The insane number of dice they can drop and ASF and dances, especially when Lee by the hero, is impressive. WS6 helps them blend. They are essentially a giant lawnmower with pool noodles for blades tho, as S3 AP- tends to bounce off anything T4 5+ saves in my experience. And even with skirmish any shooting will knock them out. They are fantastic chaff clearers and side chargers but generally I've had many games I regretted not taking 5 more wild riders.

>>95991938
I like how they're also Arabyan. What a racially diverse country.

>>95992499
Yeah not worth it if they're just good for chaff

>>95992610
One of the really old BL books had an araby kingdom called the Songhai, which was the historical name of a Sub-Saharan Empire in the 15th century, so you could argue Araby has at least some justification for having Sub-Saharan stuff in it.

>>95992665
The Warhammer justification for it would probably be how nagash's spell of undeath must have killed so much wildlife and plantlife that all the other humans that weren't part of nehekara but just in its vicinity must have been forced to migrate, resulting in a huge exodus of southlander tribes that must have logically settled where everyone else found a safe enough spot too, the coasts of araby for whoever was north enough, the plain of tuskers for the rest, and I guess some might have dared the lizard jungles, there's no real suggestion for it, but I would consider it possible if not likely that the slann and skinks of the southlands might have integrated some of these fleeing people as vassals, allowed to live in the relative vicinity of their temple cities, since they're severely lacking in saurian warriors compared to their lustrian cousins, and some human shields could be useful.

>>95992663
As a shadowdancer delivery system they are a bit better fwiw.

>>95987017
Not that anon, but what book do they show up in? I’m collecting Ogre’s myself, but I was also interested in Gotrek and Felix’s stories so it seems like a good two birds one stone moment to get a story about both.

>>95987017
Felix is blessed with being a handsome blonde human man, naturally all sentient races want his cock. If he ever ran into a non-broodmother Skaven I bet it'd want his man-thing-thing.

>>95991164
Height dif doesn't matter in fantasy

>>95992722
This seems like it’d be a pretty good explanation if they were to include it, but largely it seems like they aren’t interested in diversity beyond pallet swapping other cultures. It is a hope now that the TOW is getting attention again as a setting they actually flesh out the other lands instead of trying to backwards transplant the Cities of Sigmar into it.

>>95991964
Perfect DoW fodder, as long as they're not in Empire or something retarded no one would complain

>>95987956
my Nippon image was better

>>95992125
Obvious Tilean/Estalian you retard

>>95993168
>samurai have the same stat line as a low level hero

grorious

>>95992372
marketing

Do you think Greasus ever suffers from Gout

>>95993250
>constantly eating red meat
>constantly drinking booze
100%

>>95992284
racial politics is the core issue of the century for the average anglo internet dweller, an epic tragedy of apocalyptic proportions, a battle for the soul of mankind manifesting before our very eyes.
Saying "this doesn't matter right now" in front of these anglos is a threat to the future of Earth itself.

>>95993250
I'm sure an Ogres liver is built different

>>95992125
you do know that the HRE included parts of italy?

>>95992848
Teclis really cleans up in those books once he's past his awkward phase.

>>95993250
Genetically designed for constant consumption with an ultra fast metabolism, no chance that they suffer from it.

>>95993250
gout would be a badge of honor in ogre socioty even more than irl.
>tfw my friend got gout at 30 despite me being fatter
>crys about the pain as if to mock me and brag
its not fair bros

>>95993250
If Ogres weren't immune to gout their entire race would collapse

>>95989984
>baldor baladursson; son of the (in)famous dwarf high king's master reckoner
>keeping karaz a karak functionning is hard work
>an obscure force; as the throngs of karaz a karak are not to be messed with, but the thane himself is not too special; his weapon however is a marvel of dwarf engineering, having been passed for three generations as the "Mosn-agan" (dwarf slang that can at best be translated as "ol' reliable")

>>95993327
Know many Italians with negroid noses?

>>95993331
Teclis is cool. I like Teclis. Him, Tyrion, Alarielle, Malekith (ignoring the End Times retcon for his kingship), and Morathi are all cool knife-ears.
G&F books are kind of cheating though. They're pretty much all bangers.

>>95993452
absolutely, yes.

>>95993461
I thought Finubar was awesome in the Teclis and Tyrion books. They really did him dirty in the ET, perhaps more so than anyone.

>>95993452
>Gilead's blood
>one of the Tileans, the second in command if I recall, was dark skinned, wore a turban, had a hook nose, and fought with a scimitar
And he killed the Bretonnian knight too. Then the half-elf kills him offscreen.

>>95993352
I have a dream of being exactly the same as Grom the Paunch, looks, fame, everything. But I know I will never get to even a fraction of that.

I'm sorry for all the Americano coping in the thread but that >>95992125 is not a white man.

>>95993537
You gottta believe man. Go the distance
Grom never gave up and neither should you

>>95993537
Only Stavros Halkias has been able to achieve this power

>>95992125
britbongers when they find out italian people exist

>human + dragon = shugengan
>shugengan + dragon = ?

>>95993452
>britbongers forget what italian people look like

>>95993745
Can halfbreeds make babies ?

>>95993544
>Whom do you serve?
>Israel!

>>95993522
Finubar is pretty cool too. ET did a lot of people dirty in fairness. Lots of cool moments, and a lot of what the fuck were they thinking.

>>95993745
shugengan

>>95993745
shugendron

>>95993750
>italian
>those noses

>>95993745
do you really think the dragons would bang their children/nephews?

>>95994034
Yes.

>>95994034
It wouldn't surprise me if the dragons were incestuous, actually, nor displease me, if anything it adds to depicting them as things far removed from conventional mankind, like it is with elves, or greek gods.

>>95993750
None of those men have the wide nose of a subsaharan negro.
Thanks for proving my point.

>>95992101

That's actually a mad idea to use the AoS Spirit of Durthu model as a proxy for a wood aelf tree man,

If I ever get into this game I might do the same, would I have trouble playing it at an official GW shop?

>>95994066
Im pretty sure that model was released during WHFB and no, there would be no trouble.

Anybody else sad that some of their fav characters didn't make it into the arcane journals?

>>95994066
I honestly like some of the aos models that keep the old designs
Like the rock trolls from AoS (the whole goblin line) keeps the cartoony art direction of the night goblins. In hard contrat to "kruelboyz" which are just joyless. good sculpts but not whfb orcs at all

Might be facing a 1k Vampire Counts army. Guy said he likes to build "optimal" lists, what can I expect and what should I do as WoC?

>>95994056
The Kids all agreed that it doesn't count as incest if it's with Yin-yin because she's such a failure

>>95994034
Why would human taboos bother them?

What exactly are vampires and liches and how do they work? What's going on with their soul? What lets them retain their personhood?

>>95994128
300pt+ vampire, and all the screams they can fit

>>95994218
There's a huge video essay on it and I never fully watched it because I'm not THAT autistic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_fJxWCtqPw&list=PLU87zZ6WGqQIc5Jt403oxj2BvVhqWfwZz
The super autistic part about the seven different parts of the soul starts at minute six.

As far as I personally understand it, Vampires and Liches retain their soul, but the first have to pay with eternal bloodthirst, and the second with eternal decaying of their body.
They're both experiments of dhar from the Mortuary Cult gone wrong in different ways.

"Soul" is a big word though, I wouldn't be able to go in-depth about the destiny of sentience in ghosts and wraiths. Watch the video if you need more.

>>95991964
It's too late now, the SJW backlash has hit critical mass and now the reactionaries have turned their brain off to the point any black person is a bad thing, even if it fits in the setting. Obviously many people would be okay with it, but there would be a vocal group crying about any none white human being depicted now.

Cmon. Where’s the discussion

>>95994128
>>95994281
Insist on the new matched play stuff so his vampire is capped at 250

>>95994583
What would you like to discuss?

Do you guys think there's some army list that was never ever once built or used in the history of the game?

I have this suspicion for the Big Lizards army

>>95994583
So what do you think Repanse's cup size is?

>>95994659
I don’t think a skeleton has that

>>95994592
>>95994281
Wait is there an excuse to use vampires now? I thought necromancers were obligatory.

>>95994034
Incest is taboo in mankind for health reasons due to a bunch of recessive genetic disorders and anthropology 4chan is too retarded to understand. TLDR humans had a near extinction event at some point in the recent past, followed by lots of incest, and now BxS incest or repeated cousin incest produces retards and cripples at high rates. Incest is common and safe for several generations at a time among many other animals, like cattle or dogs, and takes like 6 generations to produce an abomination like the modern pug.
>t. medfag

>>95994128
>optimal 1k WoC
Chaos Knights w/ MoK, ideally like 8-10
Nurgle Chaos Lord on Manticore or chariot
Lvl 3 Sorc Lord on foot or horse
Chaos Warhounds
Marauders or Warriors for the rest, probably MoK

>>95994701
Same reason to run a Tomb King

So chaosfriends, the woc battalion box has far too many dual hand weapons, are there any stls for shields/great weapons?

I refuse forever to buy the upgrade kits

>>95994880
There are also societal pressures to create ties between families/clans/villages
If everyone marries within a single group then there is no reason for an outside force to not just wipe them out
But when King whomever wants to kill his daughter in laws family things get messy

my messy rangers kitbash, i'll remove the sprue bits later once the glue is dry

How would he fare in whfb?

>>95995060
>Josef Bugman
>neither a human nor an insect
I swear I want a cloak of beards just for that alone

>Kragg the Grim
>Volkmar the Grim
>Eltharion the Grim

>>95995175
all pale copies of grimnir, grimmest of them all

>>95995093
Burgermeister of a small yet affluent town somewhere in the Ostermark countryside.
His village is sadly raided and he is raped to death by Robbithius Rottern, champion of nurgle.

Made a 'mancer

His name is Theobald Strohamm :)

>>95995210
I feel like Sporticus could and would save the day as a priest of Sigmar.
And robbie is a skaven. Hes just as competent

>>95995224
Sportarkus the Jacked could have saved the day, but sadly The Changeling, in a rare moment of nurgle-tzeentch cooperation, switched out all the apples in his pantry with candy apples, upon biting one he went into a diabetic coma and died.

>>95995210
>Robbithius Rottern, champion of nurgle
He would obviously with Tzeentch. Tzeentch purposely ruins his plans because out of all his other champions Robbithius failing is the most entertaining one of them all.

>>95995210
He has been known to do that

>>95995215
Beautiful anon, hats turned out very nice.

>>95995183
Grimgor is grimmer he has both grim and gor in his name and being a gor is pretty grim

How do you guys list build? I’ve been turned onto the idea of building smaller, more flavorful lists that you would later combine together onto a more well rounded army. Feels like I would get shit stomped by metafags in the meantime, but I can see the value in learning more intimately what units actually do.

>>95995267
You could go either way, but I’d wager Nurgle is more fitting since he’s all about promoting unhealthy habits.

>>95995421
What's your army?
Some armies go all in on characters

>>95995421
I pick my lists almost entirely based upon what Ive finished painting recently and want to show to the lads.
Chaos Warriors are obviously a staple that always come along because I need my core.

>>95995421
Usually I pick a few units/characters I want to play and then build an army around it.
Lately it's been wild riders so I've been getting 2 units of 5 a staglord and going from there

>want to put the glade riders on 25sx50s
>slotta
This is gonna be a very *F.U.N.
Also God damn, there's a gap in silverhelms. Behind the horse head. That normal or did I fuck up?
*fucking unstable nightmare

>>95995005
>>95994880

To an extent yes, but it was still perfectly normal to marry first cousins until somewhere around the end of the first world war. Certainly it doesn't feel as comman a trope in fiction after that period.

>>95995634
Honestly if you already have painted and based them just get a converter or make your own movement tray that's as wide as 5 new cav are or w/e width you want.

>>95995421
Building out of multiple retinues/warbands is the way to go for every army but the few standing armies. Brets, orcs, chaos, skaven and undead all work really well for that kind of thinking

>>95995438

They're a pretty good anvil unit right now with the changes, and on a similar vein, as bad in general as the changes were for Bretts (and they definitely were) Foot Knights with Great Weapons get a MASSIVE glowup now.

>Furious Charge gives them effectively 2 ranks worth of attacks.
>Can be Armour 3+ 5++ when charged.
>If they win the combat and force a fall back in good order they can switch to Great Weapons, and get their Furious charge bonus again.

Man, you kind of don't want to actually win a combat with infantry and force a fall back in good order as you'll lose an entire rank's worth of attacks, do you? Dwarf players probably only want to use Shieldwall now against Cavalry, and only use Stubborn against infantry. Since an Infantry unit that persues a Fall Back in Good Order is probably going to lose that combat. Jesus that's dumb.

>>95995699
You don't get to choose when you use Stubborn because it activates the first time you lose.
Not sure if you could choose Shieldwall to overwrite Stubborn.

/tg/, I have a game arranged Friday against VC.

However, he has shown me his list and even said he likes optimal ones and with my current stuff and after asking others apparently I got nearly zero chance.

Should I go ahead and play this weekend or save myself time?

His proposed list:

Master Necromancer [180 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Wizard [Level 3 Wizard]
- General
- On foot
- Skull Staff
- Dark Magic

Necromantic Acolyte [125 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Wizard [Level 2 Wizard]
- On foot
- Sceptre of De Noirot
- Dark Magic

Wight Lord [107 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Heavy armour
- Shield
- Battle Standard Bearer
- On foot
- Helm of Commandment

++ Core Units [337 pts] ++

20 Grave Guard [232 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Heavy armour
- Shields
- Seneschal
- Standard bearer

20 Zombies [65 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Standard bearer

5 Dire Wolves [40 pts]
- Claws and fangs (Hand weapons)

++ Rare Units [249 pts] ++

5 Blood Knights [249 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Lances
- Iron-shod hooves
- Full plate armour
- Shields
- Barding
- Drilled
- Kastellan
- Standard bearer

------

I have

- EC - Daemonic Mount, Daemonic Plate
-Exalted Sorcerer lvl 1
- 5 Chaos Knights, Lances
- 13 Warriors Sword and Board
- 5 x 2 hounds
- 10 marauders with flails
- 3 ogres great weapon

All mark of khorne. My list is not suited to fight this but its all I got to play with. What do?

Hey guys I am new and a filthy pleb who got introduced to fantasy from vidya. I am looking for some good books/stories you guys recommend of the plethora there are to dig deeper into fantasy.
Also I have a specific questions about valkia and khorne. Is she really his wife/consort/queen?
how does that work? Isn't khorne against all pleasure?
ty in advance

>>95995210
>His village is sadly raided and he is raped to death by Robbithius Rottern, champion of nurgle.
>what plays as the camera zooms out of his rape from above and credits roll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyf54yCTU9M

>>95995210
nurgle cultists rape people???? I thought they just spread disease and shit

>>95995421
I try to include as many of the units I like as possible while imagining how they'd look like in action

>>95995831
get the old army books online and read them

>>95995856
You must be new here
Unlike 40k, which is a post-cum economy, whfb is a rape based one.
For example Dark elves and chaos (especially beastmen) are rape positives, where high elves and bretonnia are staunchly rape negative. Empire and ogres are largely rape neutral but they both go slightly anti- and pro- respetively, and tomb kings and orcs are rape neutral

>>95995897
like for past editions?

>>95995940
Yes from when it still was fantasy and not old world. They have lots of lore and short stories. Avoid the army books from the last edition before the game was discontinued.

>>95995900
Skaven are most definitely rape positive but its not for the means of reproduction since they're all fags

>>95995940
The 6th edition books are the best

>>95995900
Orcs are rape-neutral but I’d claim Goblins are rape-positive. Their most consistent racial quality, besides being devious, is being cruel. Goblins are sadistic and would take great pleasure in watching a human woman get her pussy ruined. It’s just another orifice to them.

>>95996021
I don't think most Skaven females are cognitively capable of consent. Very rapey society

>>95996131
>It's just another orifice.
That would make it rape neutral, there's no sexual intent. Staking someone vlad style isn't sodomy, mutilating a body for pain isn't inherently rape either. For all intents and purpose orcs and gobbos are asexual and regard other races as things to be killed or enslaved or ate.

>>95996188
Good point.

>>95996194
I think it was skarsniks book where they are described as cruel children torturing an animal, and given they don't even have really any human concept of attraction I'd say it's pretty much like a sociopathic child in many ways. Cruel and sadistic certainly they may even do some rapey shit if they understood it would hurt another but inherently it's not for their sexual gratification.

Should bloodletters look beefier? They are rather skinny for daemons of the war god

>>95995421
For chaos I have made a HUGE roster (pic related is one part of it) of every unit I would ever want across unidivided and each god and work out their basic cost (which for regimental units leaves room for the addition of magical standards and upgrades for the champion). I then proceed to choose from this roster whatever I feel like using. This approach is valuable for small armies as it allows room for you to change models between games and doesnt leave you fucked should point changes occur. Only the 'available' units you have is the limit.

I also dotn have every unit on there and probably wont have them anytime soon, but I can quickly make a list from what I have.

>>95996218
>inherently it's not for their sexual gratification.
rape seldom is
Its often a power thing. Its a crime of violence, not passion

>>95996259
I also noticed for unidivided I havent completed it. The nurgle one is of far better quality.

>>95996265
Are you on the spectrum or do you not understand the difference between dominating sexually and other forms of desecration? Like this is one of those things that if you are on its a waste to discuss, especially for an abstract concept such as fantasy races

>>95995856
>he thinks the only way to spread disease is through yucky sneezes
Oh my sweet summer Redditor, we have such sights to show you!

>>95996131
I think Orcs and Goblins have cocks and balls for the purpose of urination and for testosterone production from the testes, but they rape purely for defilement and torture, not reproduction. They probably are capable of ejaculating, but do not produce sperm, and do not experience humanoid lust/sex drive.

>>95996259
I suppose just getting everything is a legitimate long term strategy lmao.

>>95996494
They don’t. They’re shrooms. They can shit though.

>>95996499
If it can shit, it can piss. And if it can piss, it can cum.

>>95995831
>? Isn't khorne against all pleasure?
Absolutely not, one of Khorne favorite pastime is to make collars for his doggo.

>>95995750
Shiedwall doesn't overwrite stubborn they do two different things

>>95995831
>Also I have a specific questions about valkia and khorne. Is she really his wife/consort/queen?
Yes.
>how does that work? Isn't khorne against all pleasure?
No. He would probably be fine with hatefucking and Molag Bal style BDSM-rape. Khorne is against seduction and Slaaneshi style hedonistic sex and submission.

>>95996582
Black library isn’t cannon.

>>95996603
>cannon
Thank you for revealing your low IQ to me early on, I will now discontinue this conversation

>>95996629
I appreciate your concession.

>>95996818
Accurate in terms of sovl and competitiveness. Coincidence? I think not

These Ogres are bigger than my Terminators and here I am trying to batch paint them like a fool….

>>95996818
How did chrace go from zero to hero?

>>95996877
Batch painting is the enemy of sovl

>>95996818
>cathay
>S-Tier
I wish

>>95996926
turn1 with 6 cannons are supposedly oppresive.

>>95996926
It objectively is, but hey whatever cope you need to hear for buying fomo is up to you my guy.

>>95996818
Sucks that seaguard garrison is apparently dogshit, but good on the kangz and brets.

>>95996942
>half of them do nothing or explode
meh at best

>>95986560 (OP)
TO:If you double regen as undead you are bitchless and your bloodline will not survive the Winter. Also Bear cav

>>95997006
double regen?

>>95997021
Dawi After dark and close order podcast are saying you can regen crumble with the new wording. speaking like a pair of nogamers atm

>>95997028
yeah thats true. thats how it works with the new errata. the wording for regeneration changed.

>>95997044
It's not, but keep thinking that, nogamer. Lemme guess you get to regen killing blow now as well since you regen after saves so technically you don't ignore regen with it anymore too? or you can timburr your giant and hit himself and regen the wound back to live? bitchless and cringe

>>95997060
it does.
crumble says you lose wounds. and the new regeneration rolls can be made against any wound lost.
its pretty easy to understand.

>>95997068
It's this sort of asinine behaviour that will deny you entry into the Pearly Gates, brother. You don't get to regen state based wounds. it's still a save. and you can't take saves against wounds lost. until GW says "yes you can regen unstable" Thats the only way to interpret it without being a cuck

>>95997060
It explicitly says no regen saves in the killing blow rule

>>95997082
The argument people are making are "well you can use it after you lose all the remaining wounds still because it's lost wounds, you didn't regen save when suffessfully wounded"

It's the exact same interpretation as the unstable thing, and equally in bad faith

>>95997068
In the context of combat though

>>95997077
no its not. its pretty obvious how it works, if you read the rules without making up headcanon. and most people agree on that.
>>95997060
>or you can timburr your giant and hit himself and regen the wound back to live
no, because timber says the model has to be removed from play after the attacks are resolved. again, read the rules.

>>95997083
I agree with you on this but the killing blow comment was pretty stupid.
The regen rule is clearly in the context of wounds lost in combat not from crumbling

>>95997091
>>95997097
so you wouldnt be able to regen against shooting or spells? where does it say you can only regen in combat?

>>95997097
I'm not arguing the KB thing, i think it's dumb as well. I'm saying that there are nogamers arguing this BS because of the "you can regen crumbling" crap.

>>95997094
it's clear regen is not meant to work to your unit falling apart from the magic that binds it. literally anti-lore as well as a nogamer, baka

>>95997121
you wait til they read how being "removed as casualty" is worded and they try to say a dude can regen being eaten by a giant

>>95997128
so why did they remove the FAQ-question, that said, you cant take regensaves against unstable, from the latest FAQ. its pretty obvious they want regens to be taken against unstable. nothing in the written rules says otherwise.
lore doesnt matter for rules.

>>95997136
the giant removes the model from play. RAW no wounds are lost.

>>95997144
Because it so obviously doesn't work now that they thought that rule was unnecessary? clearly not, though :(

Valhalla will be closed to many in this thread it seems

>>95997157
"when a model is removed as a casualty, it loses all remaining wounds then is removed from the table"

So the argument the nogamers are making is the "all remaining wounds lost" has the words "Lose wounds" in it

Same argument as the KB stuff and just as dumb. but get ready to see players at tourneys try to say it

>>95997028
>dawi after dark
He’s a massive tourneyfag and rules lawyer
Tomb kings don’t need the massive buff that would give if it’s true

>>95997170
It's stunning that more than 2 decades after the regeneration vs killing blow interaction got FAQ'd for 6th, GW again fucked up to give both a proper wording, killing blow an even worse one than in 6th and people STILL try to weasel their retardation around it.

>>95997170
before removing models though:
>If a unit with this special rule loses a round of combat, it loses one additional Wound for every combat result point by which it lost. These Wounds are lost after combat results have been calculated but before Break tests are made. If an Unstable unit contains any Unstable characters, allocate wounds to the unit until each model has been allocated one wound. Any remaining wounds are divided as equally as possible between the character(s) and the unit.
then "crumble
>In addition, at the end of the turn where the Hierophant dies and at start of each turn afterwards, all Nehekharan Undead must make Leadership saves; failing means the unit takes a number of wounds equal to the difference between the roll and their Leadership score
Then Regen says
Change the rule as follows:
‘Immediately after a Wound is lost, but before models with
zero Wounds remaining are removed from play, a model with
this special rule may make a ‘Regeneration save’ roll by rolling
a D6 and comparing the result to its ‘Regeneration value’ ,
shown in brackets after the name of this special rule (shown
here as ‘X+’). If the Regeneration save roll equals or exceeds
the model’s Regeneration value, the lost Wound is recovered,
but is still counted for the purposes of calculating the
combat result. Rules that affect armour values do not affect
Regeneration values unless stated otherwise.’
So RAW I think its pretty clear but as for RAI Im not sold. It should be noted when crumbling almost all undead lose their regen saves anyways so this will matter for break tests - if Ihave a +5 combat, you can roll regen for those 5 but I still get +5 before the (usually autopassed) break test
This seems more or less logical, retarded or not

>>95997158
they removed the question because it no longer applies. they are a lot of obvious questions like "do I have to deploy my army within my deployment zone" so your argument is void.
you lost.

>>95997302
Ah but you see this disallows scouts deploying outside your deployment zone

>>95996818
The fag who made this is a cringelord. He unironicaly wears E-sports jerseys

>>95990205
I'm getting there, I'm getting there!

>>95997382
Nice, hilarious model compared to the new one.

>>95997412
>>95997412
>>95997412
>>95997412
New

>>95995750

Yeah, but before the old combo was you used Stubborn and then you opted to use Shieldwall in combination. So you'd only ever take a step-back. Now it's more advantageous to just fall back in good order against Infantry as it shuts off their ability to fight in 2 ranks for a paltry initiative bonus.