Is this the worst sissification/tumblrification in all of D&D?

Irish/Celtic/Viking/NothernEurope shit has always been pretty gay and lame.

Did anyone even play or use Firbolgs at all, like EVER, before Critical Role made them popular with campaign 2?

>>95986732 (OP)
You’re just lucky you dodged them getting conflated with their WoW version.

why is 5e allergic to large-sized pcs anyway

>>95986755
Pajeet

>>95987130
THAT'S who you think you feel superior too?

>>95986762
No. Like all internet rage, it is completely performative.

>>95987141
NTA - pajeet confirmed holy shit

>>95986949
I doubt many people used large-sized pcs even before 5e. They can't fit in the dungeon.

>>95986732 (OP)
I never liked the firbolg until Crit Role fans messed with their looks. Tall, vaguely Irish gingers that hide in the woods arent interesting (especially when youve grown up as one). The Wild Hunt version was better but still kind of bleh. But fey giants with clearly fey looks hits just the right spot. The deer-like ears and noses (people say cow, but none of them look cow-like), on a forest giant just looks and sounds right, especially for ones that are supposed to be guardians and tenders of nature.

Honestly, I've never liked any of the giants to just be particularly tall humans, not even ogres or hill giants. A giant should reflect their nature in their body, such as stone giants looking like Easter Island stone heads, both in proportions and texture, or storm giants having a perpetual mist and lightning play across their skin with exaggerated oni-like monster faces. They absolutely should not look like a normal human made 20 ft tall, unlike so much of European myth where everything is some variety of short or tall human.

Add in some antler headwear and you've got a certified fantasy forest giant druid.

>>95986762
As everything goes, its all tribalistic culture warrior nonsense. "This popular lefty gaming group features 5e versions of a race, therefore I will hate them for not using the older versions which I had no idea of before this moment." "Oh my god, now they look like furries with cownoses and one has pink hair like those damned tumblrinas, I must hate this to fit in with my fellow conservatives on 4chan".

Its all so tiresome.

>>95987197
You're not exactly aiming high in regards to who you think you feel comfortable maligning.

>>95986732 (OP)
>human but bigger
They were always yawn inducing.

>>95986762
I remember reading their part in MM2 and thinking they may have been a fun addition to the adventure when the players gain enough levels to explore Feywild. I didn't know that they even are in Critical Slop because I don't watch it.

>>95987231
>You're not exactly aiming high in regards to who you think you feel comfortable maligning.
Go back to school, you ESL faggot.

>>95986732 (OP)
3e and 4e are just humans though
sure, 5e ones look retarded but at least they look more like fantasy beings

>>95987542
>this guy can't even parse simple english and hypocritically throws around ESL accusations
Man, just give up.

>>95987224
I'd be more comfortable with modern Firbolgs if I saw someone draw one as an honest-to-goodness big titty cowgirl. That's my problem with a lot of this stuff, really; it assumes I'm already an audience (straight white cis male) when I'd like to be pandered to at least a little bit.

>>95987578
Firbolg is just an ethnicity of Irish people that had some dumb myths connected to them, that TSR decided to turn into a monster manual entry.

>>95987796
>Firbolg is just an ethnicity of Irish people
Its generally accepted that the Fir Bolg are literally just a myth, having never existed and being a made up tribe to fit into a biblical-based narrative as created by the Christian priests who wrote the Lebor Gabála Érenn long after any druids could pass on any information about ancient Ireland.

>>95987727
>draw one as an honest-to-goodness big titty cowgirl
There is surprisingly little in the way of 5e or Crit Role firbolg women art. Lots of guys, very few women.
https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=13761498&tags=firbolg+
But here's a big titty firbolg cowgirl.

>>95987941
Yes it's official stance by the Irish government that that there was a Fir Bolg people that the myths were overlain onto, so I'm going to go with that.

>>95986755
Please don't lump Irish/Celtic stuff in with Vikings.

>>95987796
>>95987941
either way it feels that every mythological/folk element that gets dragged into d&d ends up becoming bland as shitty, it's not even a 5e thing but since the very beginning.
At least some of the monsters are original creations.

>>95988042
I mean, considering the Vikings founded Dublin and ruled there for 300 years, it's kinda inevitable.

>>95988042
I would think cultural overlap happened far more often than we give it thought.
The Jannissaries are a prominent example.

>>95986762
>Did anyone even play or use Firbolgs at all, like EVER, before Critical Role made them popular with campaign 2?
Yes you fucking newfag faggot, my dad used them in his campaign world when I was a teenager, they were friendly NPCs and we hung out with them for a bit. They're very good whimsical sort of fantasy monsters. This wasn't even that long ago, it was like 2009. And yeah what they did to firbolgs was really fucking gay and retarded but it's done and they're ruined now. They're supposed to be CR 12 fey-adjacent norse giants with magic powers, not big bumbling homos with Tumblr noses.

>>95986762
Firbolgs showed up at least as early as 2e D&D as straight up berserker humans, analogous to the Picts.

>>95987941
>But here's a big titty firbolg cowgirl.
I honestly was expecting better.
Mildly disappointed.

>>95986732 (OP)
>why is D&D woke now
>thread #23490237894127493482934
How many times do we need to have this thread? Everyone fucking knows D&D art is woke. You don't have to keep reminding us.

>>95986732 (OP)
Is the 3e one supposed to be good? It's literally just a giant dude. What's 'firbolg' about it? If it didn't have the bear for scale you'd think it's some barbarian NPC from a module

>>95986762
Sure thing.

>>95987215
>They can't fit in the dungeon.
Anon, are you stupid? If 136' + 60' tail Dragon can fit into a dungeon then why wouldn't 10' tall adventurer fit?

>>95986732 (OP)
>>95988455
Not that I'm a fan of the 5e design, but these don't look very inspired either, I can see why they'd try and make them look more distinct

>>95987215
>They can't fit in the dungeon.
Anon, are you stupid? If 136' + 60' tail Dragon can fit into a dungeon then why wouldn't 10' tall adventurer fit?

>>95988473
The dragon doesnt need to fit through the hallways and passages, but the adventurers do

>>95988477
>more distinct
Have you ever heard about The Wheel of Time? (Book, not some shitty shit-ass TV show, you fucking subhuman.) Why do I ask? Because 5e Firbolg is an obvious rip-off of Ogier.

>>95988498
I haven't no. Again, I'm not saying the 5e design is great but it does feel more like what its supposed to be than 'generic barbarian man'

>>95987941
>There's an entire race of tall, cow-coded people in DnD
>mfw the vast majority of art is either men, or futa
This is more damning than any sugarpop wokeslop art in the Rulebook, oh my god. What happened to the urge to draw sexy DnD characters.

>>95988481
Look for a dragon size chart >>95988480
Do huge dragons die of hunger and claustrophobia? Are they stuck in their lairs and Kobolds fetch food for them? If modestly sized Dragon fits, then your Fir Bolg shall fit as well.

>>95986732 (OP)
>Is this the worst sissification/tumblrification in all of D&D?
No. (Verification not required.)

>>95986732 (OP)
Eh, 5e Firbolgs look cutesy, fitting for fairy giants. But Critroll did push them into the spotlight and went full tumblr

>>95988477
Most 2e and earlier monsters were not drawn to be inspiring to look at. The inspiration came from their write-ups. In 1e/2e, Firbolgs were N(CG) giants that outclassed Hill Giants and had the ability to swat away bolts and arrows and catch spears, javelins and thrown boulders and then throw them back.

>>95988519
No, they typically fly in through apertures on the ceiling and stuff like that. The part of the dungeon that is sized for normal creatures (which is where adventures usually go through) is where the dragons' lackeys inhabit. This is all pretty basic, anon. No dragon is entering their dungeon through the main door unless its a temple of tiamat or something like that

>>95988546
Cool but the design we're talking about is from 3e, not 2e

>>95988480
The PCs can never find the dragon entrance.

>>95987384
>firbolgs
>human but bigger
>yawn

>goliaths
>human but bigger
>now this is some good shit.

What the heck did goliaths do right that firbolgs fumbled hard?

>>95988635
The name, probably. Goliath WAS a 'human but bigger', after all

>>95988635
Goliaths have overtaken orcs as the big unga race. Orcs are tumblr.

>>95988635
They're not intrinsically connected to Druids, which has consistently been shown to be the least popular concept to D&D fans.

>>95988655
Half-Orcs and Goliaths are still the recommended races for men who want to display gross male stereotypes, like big arms and interest in women.

>>95986732 (OP)
No one even knew what firbolgs were until 5e.

>>95988693
>t. stolen nerd valor zoomoid whose first rpg was 5e

>>95988708
>how dare you not remember 'redhead guy with a bear'!!!

>>95987215
>They can't fit in the dungeon.
If the party includes large sized characters, center the campaign around like giants or something to justify having corridors big enough for large PCs.

>>95988684
>gross male stereotypes, like big arms and interest in women
or just don't be gross while having big arms or being interested in women, lol

>>95988957
Harder than it looks, considering how rare it is to see in DnD.

>>95986762

I used them in one of my homebrew worlds as a modified player race, putting a lot of emphasis on their size-changing. They had like a mixed culture with halflings since the halflings could very easily fit into the smaller gaps in a firbolg's home. The firbolgs could shrink down to more easily interact with the "wee ones" but always risked shifting back into giant size in their sleep, so they were perpetual strangers outside of their mountain holds since they basically couldn't sleep indoors in human settlements.

>>95989084

I should also clarify, this was in Pathfinder, where the size changing was explicitly part of their bestiary entry.

>>95988957
>being interested in women
Can you imagine somebody actually being attracted to the opposite gender?? Degenerate sickos.

>>95986732 (OP)
How did this impact you last gaming session?

>>95986762
Not really. The fuck I've seen more Thri-kreen players back when than Firebolgs in general.

>>95988635
Goliaths look cool

>>95988413
That's basically how I used them in an old AD&D2e campaign. I wanted something big, but smarter than ogres and hill giants.

What does this do that an Eldritch Giant doesn't do already?

>>95986732 (OP)
This, pictured, is my problem with modern Firbolgs. The celts-to-hippie-giants progression is interesting from an observational standpoint. It's perfectly acceptable as an archetype. And already was in the 90s when the Voadkyn did it.

The change didn't give us anything we didn't already have, but it did take something away. And now there's *less* player options and in-universe diversity.

>>95988512
Obama issued an executive order in 2014 banning the drawing of sexy D&D characters. It was a follow up to a 2013 executive order to ban all sexy drawings in video games. Under Biden both were put into law in the 2023 Anti-Sexy Lewd Drawings Act.

>>95988684
Goliaths are cool because they didn't get co-opted by culture warriors, unlike orcs, who are fantasy mexicans now because culture warriors said that orcs were black people.

>>95986755
We tried to make one about your culture but you got it taken off netflix because your dick wasn't sucked hard enough.

>>95989484
not even sure what you're trying to say, and the character in your pic looks like shit.

>>95986732 (OP)
Still can't believe /tg/ thinks the 4e version of the firbolg is the worst looking one when the 5e version exists.

>>95989693
I'm sorry

>>95988042
Literally more connected to viking culture than any of the kangshit thrown at vikings by recent media. There are irish buried in their fucking graves you jeet.

Is Matt Mercer the DM of critical role or am I thinking of Daredevil again.

The CR firbolgs are better.

>>95986755
never seen a fpbp more based than this

>>95989529
Is this why most sexy drawings come from overseas? Whenever I see someone drawing a woman with huge breasts, they’re either Asian, South American or Eastern European.

>>95987215
>They can't fit in the dungeon.
??
Look at literally any famous D&D dungeon and the vast majority has 10ft wide corridors that do fit large adventurers.
In fact, the normal square size for old school D&D adventures like keep on the borderlands is 10ft so the basic square fits large adventurers fine.

This idea that dungeons are super tight with no space for large creatures has never been supported by actual evidence.
Seriously, you fight stuff like ogres and gelatinous cubes and other monsters of that size all the fucking time in dungeons.

Do your dungeons feature nothing bug goblins, snakes, and tiny fucking monsters? No? then they can fit a centaur, or whatever.

>>95986732 (OP)
Unironically kobolds.
Huge gameplay upgrade tho, fuckers used to be worse strictly goblins and those where already ass.

>>95989693
He's saying we already had the fey giantkin in the form of the voadkyn, and the more human forest protector in the firbolg. Now we just have the two mashed together into an ugly blue cowfaced abomination

>>95991111
>Anon realized, in real time, that the majority of aphorisms from /tg/ and neckbeards are full of shit

>>95986949
Too many opportunity attack squares.

>>95986949
It's allergic to non-small/medium non-humanoid PCs in general. According to game rules, fairy PCs aren't Tiny, centaurs PCs aren't Large, warforged aren't constructs, and revenants aren't undead. It's really dumb. Why even give these options if you're not going to fucking commit to it?

>>95991502
In 4e pixie PCs are Tiny, warforged PCs are constructs and revenant PCs are undead.

>>95986732 (OP)
To be fair, even if I don't like the navi hippies they have become, earlier firbolgs were to humans what gnomes were to halflings

>>95991502
I blame PF 2nd Edition contamination, where the nerfing got so bad skeletons could be poisoned and drowned.

>>95988635
>be new player
>see "Goliath"
>imagine being a big awesome guy
>see "Firbolg"
>eyes glaze over with completely numbness at how much of a nothing word that is

>>95986732 (OP)
I don't even understand why Firbolgs turned into dumpy sofy teddybear doofuses. What was the impetus there?

>>95989334
>goliath3.5.png
That's from 4e PH2 though.

>>95986732 (OP)
It's not even solely looks, it's also the pose. Compare confident, professional pose on the left, "oh yeah, we're gonna fuck you up" energy in the center and meek smile and defensive, hunched over stance to the right.
They're trying too hard to make a game non-threatening and soft in fear of offending the fee-fees of an audience that's not gonna buy their books anyway.

>>95987178
As performative as people pretending to like DND because they watched Crit Role

>>95988557
>>95988502
Nah man the OG is better

>>95991985
To be honest Goliaths haven't changed much between editions.

>>95986732 (OP)
Originally in AD&D MM2
>These human-looking giants...
It just shows what phonies Mercer and Critical Role are. It's either intentional disrespect or cluelessness when this shit is done.

>>95986755
Wrong

>>95987727
Like picrel, anon?

>>95989334
Gotta point out, those are *4e* goliaths. 3.5 goliaths are FAR less cool-looking.

>>95992772
>Like picrel, anon?
Yes, like that! Exactly like that! I'd believe the naysayers a lot less if DnD was still full of cheesecake and Practically Porn!

>>95992772
This is the 3.5 one >>95992074
They always look the same
>Big grey bald guy with tribal tattoos

>>95993405
This is the only other piece I ever found with that character.

>>95988042
But he is correct - they are all gay.

>>95989529
You're being facetious, but honestly it really does come down to a combination of American prudishness and culture war shitflinging.

>>95992074
>>95993536
3.5e goliaths are supposed to have rocky growths on their body and no relation to giants.

>>95986755
You will never be White.
>>95992636
Based MabinogiGOD. Awful gameplay but SOVLfvl story, music, roleplay etc.

>>95993846
Goliaths had some background with earth elementals, iirc.

>>95991915
Tumblr loves to turn every cool race into heckin' friend shaped blorbos that just want to bake cookies with their gay husbands.

>>95993846
They did, in their original art in Races of Stone. Don't have any copies of it, sadly.

>>95986732 (OP)
yes
>>95986762
no

>>95993876
>You will never be White.
He said while defending Irish, Celts and Snowniggers.

>>95997113
>he doesn't know where to read every D&D book online

>Goliaths have gray skin, mottled with dark and light patches that goliathshamans say hint at a particular goliath’s fate. Lithoderms—coin-sized bone-and-skin growths as hard as pebbles—speckle their arms, shoulders, and torso.

>>95998660
I said I don't have any copies of the ART to upload.

>>95988635
Firbolgs are just human but giant and red hair.

Goliaths look like brutes and grug tier.

>>95986732 (OP)
5e minotaur PC's spring to mind (Medium sized, of course)

>>96002149
What the fuck.

>>96002149
same energy