Sell me on dungeon world and its homebrew hack unlimited dungeon. - /tg/ (#95986824) [Archived: 521 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/30/2025, 9:44:53 PM No.95986824
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I hate the D20. I hate D&D. I hate the whole Monte Cook Ivory Tower mindset that has taken over the entire hobby ever since WotC got their hands on the franchise. I believe that Dungeons and Dragons is nothing more than a squad unit scrimmage war game dressed up with story campaigns and interesting set dressings.I am tired of the min-maxing optimized build culture. I'm tired of players pre-reading the adventures to circumvent any challenges and preventing any gameplay that was pre-prepared.
I'm tired that most games that can be found in Life or online evolve around the circle jerking of the D20.
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 9:56:25 PM No.95986896
>>95986824 (OP)
>scrimmage war game
lol
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 10:03:26 PM No.95986936
>>95986824 (OP)
Dungeon World itself is an astoundingly undercooked half-measure for a "D&D but streamlined" kind of game. Most of the classes are boring as fuck, what's baked in there for vague lore and setting is terrible and you'll want to throw it out. Some of the homebrew stuff like the "Class warfare" book that lets you piece together a custom playbook from mini-classes make it a lot cooler, but unless you already like PBTA games, you're still going to have a bad time.

No fucking idea about "Unlimited Dungeon". Never fucking heard of it.
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 10:32:01 PM No.95987126
>>95986824 (OP)
Oh wow, yet another shitpost troll thread.

>Monte Cook Ivory Tower mindset
That old bullshit again?
Cook was just trying to make a case for why you should buy his friend's "D&D for Dummies" book. It was an ad, not anything real, and the books themselves clearly demonstrate that the "Ivory Tower" concept of "provide the rules but don't provide too much guidance in regards to them" didn't extend anywhere beyond the Player's Handbook. Just about every other book is loaded with advice and behind-the-scenes explanations of different mechanics (they even included special little "Behind the Curtain" blurbs to make this pretty much an objective fact that completely torpedoes Cook's "Ivory Tower" claims).

Hell, the exact example that Cook makes, about how the book doesn't immediately explain that Toughness is not that great of a feat except in specific circumstances, is an odd choice because just about every one of the X+Y class advice books that were published immediately after the Player's Handbook give that exact advice. While you can argue that all of that advice should have just been in the Player's Handbook in the first place, that would have resulted in a PH that was over 1,000+ pages long.

"Ivory Tower" just sounds fancy. It has really nothing to do with 3rd edition.
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 10:54:13 PM No.95987303
>>95986824 (OP)
DW is probably the worst of the popular PbtA games, which makes it better than D&D by a cunt hair at best.
Unlimited Dungeons looks like a reasonable homebrew set of improvements from a skimread. I probably wouldn't run DW, but if I did this would be a book I read with interest.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 2:38:34 AM No.95988878
>>95987126
Do you just spend all day searching the same keywords on the archive so you can make the same incorrect arguments every day for the rest of your pathetic life?
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 9:58:16 AM No.95990338
>>95986824 (OP)
>I hate D&D
sperg
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 10:04:42 AM No.95990348
>>95987303
Then what would you recommend for somebody who wants to have a vetting game that people are more than willing to play?
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 10:34:47 AM No.95990433
>>95990348
NTA but if you want a simple game for vetting purposes, there is shit like Risus and WaRP that are actually simple, and you can make a character and be off and running fast. Or, run a small od&d dungeon.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 11:34:59 AM No.95990610
>>95986824 (OP)
Take the OSR pill, anon. It's never late to repent from storyslop and cringe drama.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 11:37:39 AM No.95990626
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>>95986824 (OP)
You need to put something on those hooks, mate.
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 11:39:27 AM No.95990632
>>95990610
>Translation: no table was capable of withstanding my sperging
It's a wonder you didn't propose a solo outright.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 12:25:51 PM No.95990758
>>95990632
Forgive them Gygax, for they know not what they say.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 12:49:20 PM No.95990827
>>95990348
I'd probably run a system I like with a simple one-shot premise. Maybe an AFMBE adventure, or Monster of the Week, or something in Mini Six. I'm not concerned with a game being popular or receiving dev support. If the players won't play a system I like there's no point continuing anyway.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 1:00:16 PM No.95990861
>>95990433
Thanks
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 1:02:31 PM No.95990867
>>95990758
And what about Dave Artisan the person who actually put the work in?
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 1:04:16 PM No.95990871
>>95990827
Thanks, to you too
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 1:22:10 PM No.95990935
>>95990867
I think Arneson will forgive you as well, as long as you don't go full AD&D. You can read the 3LBB or even go B/X, all is good.

My honest to god advice? Get Kingdom, the RPG game, and have each player be the member of an adventure party or an adventure guild. If you want more drama go with Hillfolk by Robin D. Laws (feel free to ignore the stupid card mechanics and use dice).

But just so you know, OSR is the proper way to enjoy D&D and I'd be remiss if I didn't try to convince some of you fags to give it a try.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 2:10:33 PM No.95991093
>>95986824 (OP)
If you want 2d6, even simplified 2d6, there are much better games. Like Barbarians of Lemuria
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 7:34:57 PM No.95992973
>>95990935
I thought 45% of OSR enthusiasts chose ACKS.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 11:12:17 PM No.95994416
>>95991093
>Barbarians of Lemuria
Great game with nice, non-crunchy mechanics and plenty of opportunities for exciting storytelling. The spin-offs Dicey Tales (which I'm currently GM-ing), Honor & Intrigue, and Heroes of Hellas are also fun. Plus the best part is you can make the non-dice elements as simple or as complicated as you want. The politics (except for a throwaway in the updated Honor & Intrigue) are also non-existent, as well.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 11:46:28 PM No.95994683
>>95986824 (OP)
Optimizing is good. Making good decisions instead of bad decisions is by definition good. There is no system of rules in which it the player will think they had better make bad decisions instead of good ones.

The problem of optimization is a problem of games, not of players. In a good game, playing optimally is also fun, and doesn't ruin the game.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 11:47:36 PM No.95994692
>>95988878
Which thing did he say that was false?
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 12:05:40 AM No.95994826
>>95994692
We're not turning another thread into one of his week-long sperg rage sessions. It's pathetic and it's not worth rehashing yet again.
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 12:11:46 AM No.95994869
>>95994826
So everything he said was true?
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 1:11:59 AM No.95995237
>>95994826
Well?
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 1:15:38 AM No.95995256
>>95994869
>>95995237
>Being so autistic to reply in a hourly interval, requesting a sperg session
Nta, but nigga, seek fucking help.
Or set a better bot
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 1:34:52 AM No.95995379
>>95994826
Well?
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 1:37:44 AM No.95995395
>>95995256
I don't think anyone is expecting a sperg session. That anon got cooked for fronting and now it's just a matter of further embarrassing him because he didn't actually have any sort of counterargument.
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 1:52:46 AM No.95995491
>>95990935
3LBB?
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 1:57:14 AM No.95995518
>>95995491
Three Little Brown Books
The true original release of D&D, an incomplete mess of a game that gives you at best a skeleton you can create your own dungeon crawling adventure game out of.
The OStards worship it like its some glorious originating text, when its really just a rough draft compiled from loose ideas and two very different people's notebooks of how they used the chainmail wargame rules to tell the stories of their hero units.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 2:06:00 AM No.95995581
>>95994826
Well?
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 2:18:27 AM No.95995655
>>95994416
Not the biggest fan of how hero points work personally. I like when meta currencies are a little less gamey.

Would love a 2d6 based fantasy sandbox dnd-ish game. Kind of like Worlds without number, but completely 2d6 instwead of going half and half with a d20.
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 2:38:30 AM No.95995782
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Whatever faggot started the trend of calling RPG homebrew a "hack" needs to be hacked apart with a fucking hatchet. Dungeon World is a game for middle-aged fat-ass step-dads who played D&D as a teenager, never actually put the effort into learning the rules, but loved the epic nat20 moments because it reminded them of their childhood being full of ADHD YouTube meme videos from the late-00s that aren't even funny by today's standards, but their humor hasn't really evolved since. They're 105 IQ midwits who think that having a college degree makes them smart. They probably also think Fatt Coville is a good source of dungeon mastering advice. Which fits because his mindset is perfect for Dungeon World. Handwave everything, bend the rules at random, fudge rolls, and never let characters die unless they sign a consent checklist beforehand. Dungeon World has a couple cool ideas, like making ammo degradation part of the attack roll for a bow or such, but if you read Apocalypse World you'll realize that those 1 or 2 ideas are the only thing it has to offer, everything else is just a worthless watering-down of possibly the only good storygame system out there, which is AW, and the writers lack Vincent Baker's edgy wit, they try to replicate it and it's just painfully hollow. Vincent at least can do deadpan black humor well, as well as with a touch of genuine soul. Adam Kobel can't, he just sounds like a tryhard teenager attempting to be intimidating, and honestly after reading a lot of Dungeon World his later attempts at digital roleplay rape against the few women willing to tolerate his presence, makes a lot of sense. Who knows what was going on behind closed doors? It's not for us to judge. Dungeon World is, however, for us to judge, and it's just not got anything that really makes it worth playing. B/X D&D unironically works far better as "rules light D&D" just start at level 3 if you don't like the grittiness.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 2:41:37 AM No.95995803
>>95994683
> t. Takes 'roids to do little league baseball optimally
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 2:42:00 AM No.95995808
Who are you quoting?
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 2:48:18 AM No.95995850
>>95995655
You want Sword World.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 3:25:10 AM No.95996105
>>95994869
>>95995237
>>95995379
>>95995581
This is the most pathetic shit you've pulled yet.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 3:55:53 AM No.95996271
/tg/, we really, REALLY need to talk about the recent surge in popularity of "Dungeon World" around here, especially the trend of recommending it as a good system for "introducing" players to our hobby.

I understand that there is an obsession with being subversive and finding the most super specialest alternative to D&D possible, but having finally taken the time to read into Dungeon World and the reasons why this game has caught on around here and other forums I feel the need to be frank: this NEEDS to stop. I try as hard as I can not to be a "badwrongfun" style curmudgeon, but this is not a role playing game. Full stop. This is not a role playing game, and this disingenuous promotion of it as such is legitimately dangerous to this hobby. This is an exercise in self-congratulatory free form group storytelling.

This is a "game" where the danger of literally any challenge is by design arbitrary, not just from encounter to encounter, but from action to action. There's no actual combat or tactics at play, everyone takes turns basically describing a "cool fantasy battle" and resolve everything through "dodge danger" and "hack and slash" rolls triggered at the GM's whim. This is a game proud of being anti-structure, where the goal is to explain to the GM how many cool things your players do instead of actively overcoming any challenges in your way.

It's chaos. Consequences of certain failures are decided collaboratively. The GM is encouraged to be more of an antagonistic player than an actual referee of any rules. At /tg/'s suggestion I watched a few videos of people playing this. At one point the *GM* asked the *PLAYERS* what rumors they had heard in town.

I get that the people involved in this game by admission shill it everywhere, but please stop pushing this as a system for beginners. It's dangerous to our hobby and the behaviors it promotes encourages entitled players with disruptive expectations for how parties are meant to work.

Stop.
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 5:00:14 AM No.95996545
So what, specifically, is wrong with Dungeon World and how would you fix it?
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:24:19 AM No.95996833
>>95986824 (OP)
I like Dungeon World. Itโ€™s one of my favorite games.
2d6 for everything. Everything is simplified. As DM you just have to get used to the timing of everything you do in response to the players, but youโ€™ll get it after a session.
And I dislike D&D for the same reasons as you. I got tired of the build culture. I want players to be present in the game, not waiting for the right moment to show off their build.
Alternatively, you may want to check out an OSR title like Shadowdark. Iโ€™ve had a lot of fun with it.
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 10:24:26 AM No.95997509
>>95996271
You like OSR. Some other people don't. Chill out about it, you'll have a nicer life.
You've got a lot of detail wrong but the thing you're harping about, where players get some limited control of the gameworld and simulation isn't important, that's just a selling point. If they wanted to play a logistical game of dungeon combat engineering they could.
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 12:05:54 PM No.95997748
>>95995237
>>95995379
>>95995581
>well
>well
>well
look who is desperate
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 12:15:38 PM No.95997781
ackually dnd is objectively better than dw
ackually dnd is objectively better than dw
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>>95997509
>Chill out about it, you'll have a nicer life.
that is a futile call to midwits who take pride in liking X over Y for no reasons that couldn't be described as personal taste
such an adult is already past their intellectual peak and will never escape the pit of midwitism
best to just entirely ignore their silly tantrums
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 12:48:02 PM No.95997880
>>95992973
>I thought 45% of OSR enthusiasts chose ACKS.
We do, but if we mention ACKS then a certain poster turns up and ruins the thread.
Try ACKS, it's really good
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 3:59:41 PM No.95998633
>>95988878
Monte Cook is a fucking hack
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 4:09:45 PM No.95998681
>>95986824 (OP)
No. If you REALLY want to play a PbtA game, play the original.
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 4:47:43 PM No.95998921
>>95998681
why
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 4:54:26 PM No.95998972
>>95992973
Lol no. OSR doesn't really like ACKS because ACKS breaks the first basic concept behind the OSR: Rulings over Rules.
We just have a bunch of ACKS shills on this board because they've been banned from discussing the game everywhere else because their discord shilled too hard and the guiy who made the game is a lawyer who keeps sending messages to moderators hinting that he's gonna sue them if they keep allowing people to say bad things about him and the game.
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 4:56:00 PM No.95998980
>>95997880
>ACKShill already trying his hardest to shill
lol, you're the scummiest shit on this board
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 5:10:24 PM No.95999045
>>95990758
>Muh St. Gygax
Lmao at the clueless faggot
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 5:13:42 PM No.95999061
>>95995395
>Anonymous Tibetan tanka weaving forum
>Embarrassment
Nigga, you new or something?
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 5:17:56 PM No.95999097
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>>95998972
>>95998980
You really do spend all your time hunched over the archive pressing F4, rock hard at the possibility of faggoting up another thread, don't you?
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 5:20:41 PM No.95999112
>>95992973
>45%
It's less than 1%. The most recent ACKS kickstarter didn't even get 2,000 backers, despite a lot of effort put into advertising the game.

While going well over the incredibly low-balled target goal (so they could market it as a kickstarter success), that means ACKS2 couldn't even afford to pay for all the art and had to use AI images.
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 5:27:43 PM No.95999158
>>95999097
Buy an ad
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 5:29:00 PM No.95999163
>>95999112
He couldn't afford art because artists don't want to work on ACKS because it's career suicide.
The only artist he did manage to get is complete trash, so he had no option other than to use A.I. art.
Something he didn't mention on his kickstarter page lol.
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 5:30:28 PM No.95999173
>>95999097
Go away, ACKShill.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 5:40:11 PM No.95999245
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>Fishfag has entered the thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pct1uEhAqBQ

For everyone present, please be aware that you are now in the presence of Fishfag, an absolute cyber-psychotic who has spent the last 3 years by this point shitting and seething any time anyone mentions ACKS on /tg/.

I know, you won't believe me because that sounds fucking insane and why would anyone do that.
But I invite you to check the archives and go on your own personal seethe-safari to make your own decision on if I'm full of shit or not.

Keep an eye out for the same tired talking points, their unique way of writing that makes them one of the bewilderments of the /osrg/
Carefully observe their claims that everyone else is the same person while they're actually a half dozen kobolds in a trenchcoat so it totes doesn't count as samefagging every time they obviously reply to themselves.
Stare in amazement as they get into Deadbeat-dad-in-an-IHOP parking lot style duels to the death with every single rando they encounter as every last one comes to the independent and perfectly justified conclusion that they're a fucking cunt worthy of being shit upon.
Watch the acrobatic amazement as he hangs by the feet from his tire swing jerking himself off across thread after thread.
Gaze in wonder upon their bullshit yea autistic and despair.

And once you realize it is one mentally ill prog who just won't let go over not being able to get ACKS banned here?
I then invite you to come back (via the giftshop of course) and meme the shit out of them as they rightfully deserve.
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 5:42:48 PM No.95999257
>>95999112
it's really that bad, huh?
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 5:53:36 PM No.95999330
>>95999257
Worse, when you consider that how easy it is to pad up Kickstarter numbers.

Considering the amount of money so few people put into the game, they probably tried "seeding" the kickstarter with a bunch of self-bought packages to make it look like people were interested in the game and spent a lot of money on it, but that just completely failed, and as a kick in the teeth Kickstarter took a nice cut out of the money they were paying themselves.
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 5:56:57 PM No.95999353
Anti-ACKS Guy is an ESL and is brown
Anti-ACKS Guy is an ESL and is brown
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>>95998972
>>95998980
>>95999112
>>95999163
>>95999330

SAAAAAAR DO NOT REDEEM
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 5:59:14 PM No.95999361
>>95999245
I don't understand, the screencap seems to praising ACK but your text is referring to fishfag seething and shitting on ACK?
also the screencap seems to testify ACK not modeling the most basic supply/demand dynamic seems like a pretty strong detriment to a system that is supposedly modeling kingdoms
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:02:35 PM No.95999375
>>95999361
That screencap is something that personally hurt the ACKShill deeply. ACKShill is a terrible story teller, so when he told that story, people called it boring, so now he rages at the world, calling everyone Fishfag for not liking his fish story.
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:05:06 PM No.95999389
>>95999361
Fishfag got his name because at the time his main talking point was 'God, ACKS is so full of useless sub-systems that no one would ever use! Who wants to do things outside of sticking their dick in the next orc, am I right?'. Someone mistook him for an honest actor and gave that story as an example of how ACKS actually supports the GM in letting players do shit and have fun, at which point he have a complete meltie over it and started screaming about how boring it was and how no one could ever, ever do that of their own choice. We're talking full on 'Clearly the GM had them at gunpoint' levels of cope
And yeah, ACKS isn't a perfect system. I'm lukewarm on it myself. But mocking Fishfag is a shared duty across all /osrg/ at this point because fuck this retard.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:08:08 PM No.95999406
>>95999361
Oh and of course, posting that screencap makes finding previous threads he's been in all the easier since he can never not respond to it. Some guy letting his party engage in fish economics has become his own personal Somme, a battle he can't bring to a close, but that he will also never, ever bow out of because he's too autistic for that.
Next time you suspect he's around, just say 'Fish Economics' and watch him immediately flip the table and start throwing all his toys out the pram as he screams about how you're ACKShill or some shit. It's hilarious.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:09:26 PM No.95999414
>>95999361
You probably should just ignore him.

You're not going to get either a drop of honesty or sanity out of him.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:09:26 PM No.95999415
>>95999375
yeah ngl that does seem boring
but meh.. to each their own
what's boring to one is intereting to someone else

what I find to be astonishing is that the fish-story is trying to advertise the supposed strengths of the system
however the person doing it doesn't understand that it is a perfect demonstration of just how jarringly broken, untested, not thought through, and detached from reality and from the systems it is claiming to simulate it really is
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:12:23 PM No.95999430
>>95999375
DO NOT REDEEEEEEEM THE AAAAAAACKS SAAAAR!!!
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:12:33 PM No.95999431
>>95999415
If you had to sell a three-legged horse, you'd advertise how much they'd save on horeshoes.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:13:27 PM No.95999436
>>95999415
Why? Would you like to substantiate your claims? How is it
>broken
>untested
>not thought through
>detached from reality
Can you justify your claims?
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:14:38 PM No.95999442
Don't fall for the ACKShill bait.
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:17:08 PM No.95999463
>>95999415
It's more a matter of how it was originally intended to point out that no, those subsystems do have a use and how they assist emergent gameplay. But as you can see in this very thread, because he can't actually address 'Emergent gameplay within a sandbox is actually pretty difficult to systematize and ACKS does that really well by having various subsystems that can be interacted with to create a more cohesive gaming experience' he instead ignores that and screams boring until he passes out any time it comes up.
Personally? I'm not going to go engaging in fish economics any time soon at my table, but I can at least appreciate the idea of having something to do on boats that isn't fight another Sahagun raiding party.

As for jarringly broken, untested, ect, it's a screencap man, not a mechanical system review, lighten up a little.
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:19:46 PM No.95999483
>>95999442
substantiate your claims, brownoid or fuck off back to mumbai
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:23:25 PM No.95999503
>>95999415
ACKS is the worst of both worlds. For most people, it's incredibly slow and tedious.

For the people who actually like games that needs dozens of spreadsheets, it's poorly made and its charts do dumb stuff like requiring you to roll 63 times to produce minor modifiers, and all just to lead to a game becoming less exciting and more mundane.
Replies: >>95999539 >>95999611
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:29:05 PM No.95999539
>>95999503
To be fair, you don't generally need to roll 63. In my experience the players are going to focus on one type of trade good, thus it becomes a lot easier to track.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:29:35 PM No.95999544
>He's still using the 63 rolls bullshit
Another one anyone can look up in the archives to see prime examples of the following conversation play out
>Fishfag: [Complete bullshit talking point based on the most retarded reading interpreted in the most hyperbolic way possible]
>Others: That's wrong though. Realistically [Actual way it's meant to be done]
>Fishfag: HURR ACKSHILL. Don't you know that the writer of ACKS drew a cock on the moon with his Nazi spacelaser?!
>Others: ...fuck off retard
I know, you're going to think I'm strawmanning.
But you can go back and actually read these conversations as they happened and it's not an unfair description of how things go.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:33:19 PM No.95999563
>>95999436
obviously a fish-funded coup is comical and is self-sufficient to point out the system is broken so me having to explain it to you is kinda a red flag but ok I'm wiling to do a single attempt at explaining how 2 key mechanics in this story are underbaked as hell
>smoking fish increases value by 2 steps
I can't be bothered to check what it means in-game but it is obviously WAY to much of a margin profit if it was funding the coup
obviously an arbitrary mechanic never play tested (because it's broken) or tested against reality
because cooking food is not hard and only provides highish profit margins in case of limited offerings or other artificial price increasing mechanisms (see fine dinning restaurants) and anyway is only plausible in high excess economies, which medieval fantasy is not (or should not be)
in reality I can right now stand up and walk to my local fish place and get smoked or fried local fish at a price just several % over the price of fish by weight
>selling their supposedly 10K load of fish in a single town
... that was already in a region with a strong fishing industry, i.e. plenty of fish supply

as I said everything about that story screams
>here are some arbitrary mechanics that totally simulate economics and trade
>what do you mean supply/demand? what's that?
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:37:04 PM No.95999586
>>95999463
>it's a screencap man
it's a screencap of something comical that the system facilitated to happen that should not have happened if the systems were indeed thought through and reasonable
... that is supposedly advertising the system
Replies: >>95999614 >>95999622
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:40:44 PM No.95999611
>>95999503
ACKS is just what happens when a guy who specialized in cringey marketing puts more effort into trying to push the product rather than actually making the product good.
It's kind of like Mork Borg, another OSR-wannabe game, except Mork Borg was made by graphic designers and tried to sell itself on aesthetics.
Pretty easy money when you think about it. Take an old game, slap on more rules and don't worry if they're actually any good, and sell it to idiots.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:41:04 PM No.95999614
>>95999563
>A fish funded coup is absurd
More or less absurd than dead dinosaur juice funding one? I'd say the story doesn't give us enough detail for those kind of calls. We don't know that was the only money they had/spent, or how much extra they had, how far they travelled to sell it at the nearest town, ect.
Plus they outright say in the story that the fishing spot they're taking it from is being abandoned for some reason or another, so for all we know there was a 'This is the last fish for a while' factor involved in the price

>>95999586
>That should not have happened
Why not?
>That is supposedly advertising the system
The only person making that claim is the person who is determined to claim that ACKS pays for people to come shill on the mongolian basket weaving forum, everyone else just thinks its an amusing anecdote about how subsystems fit together.
Replies: >>95999665
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:41:56 PM No.95999622
>>95999586
>comical
Is it?
Replies: >>95999684 >>96002122
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:47:26 PM No.95999665
>>95999614
>More or less absurd than dead dinosaur juice funding one?
akctuaklly it's not dead dinosaur juice
dead dinosaur biomass is part of coal at oldest and not as ancient as oil
but considering you've meant oil it's obviously more absurd
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:48:27 PM No.95999674
>>95999563
You're giving the story and the storyteller way too much credit.
The fish don't matter. It was just the random good that was rolled.
The smoking the fish doesn't matter. The players would have tried getting more money out of any good that was rolled.
The entire story is just "The players made gold. Then they spent it."

Why people are still discussing the story is just because the ACKShill is weirdly neurotic and needs to push his "fishfag" boogeyman.
Replies: >>95999709 >>95999852
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:49:52 PM No.95999684
>>95999622
>use several days worth of mundane and relatively cheap goods production to fund a coup
is it not?
Replies: >>95999695
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:51:19 PM No.95999695
>>95999684
Stupid isn't necessarily funny.
The story isn't funny, just dumb.

The writer is funny because he's dumb though.
Replies: >>95999741
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:52:30 PM No.95999709
>>95999674
>"The players made gold. Then they spent it."
thank you for pointing it out, surely making gold in someway and then spending it is unique to ACKs
sorry for my confusion
what a deep system to facilitate such interesting mechanics

No. It is you who are missing the point of the story
Replies: >>95999744
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:52:59 PM No.95999715
>>95990348
ACKS
Replies: >>95999733
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:53:59 PM No.95999727
>>95990632
You're nogames. I'm in three osr tables a week
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:54:45 PM No.95999733
>>95999715
>that people are more than willing to play?
that's a critical miss though
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:55:16 PM No.95999738
>>95998972
Not even close. Makig up lies isn't a good look
>>95998980
What do you think the word shill means?>>95999045
Acting childish and petulant doesn't help people want to agree with you
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:55:48 PM No.95999741
>>95999695
fair enough
but I personally found it comically bad
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:56:11 PM No.95999744
>>95999709
The story doesn't have a point. It's just a bad story.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:56:17 PM No.95999745
>>95999112
That 2000 doesn't include the large number of people who have actually outright bought the books, or got the books through some of the various other kickstarters, that number is easily at 5,000.
Also you should be pirating all of your books anyways, so the amount that they sell doesn't actually matter
Replies: >>95999793 >>95999826
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:57:32 PM No.95999762
>>95999415
Do you actually play the system, or did you get this opinion from somebody else?
Replies: >>95999781
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:59:37 PM No.95999781
>>95999762
there is this thing as chain of replies
when you learn to use it you will see wonders beyond your wildest dreams
such as following the conversation
god speed on your journey
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 7:01:00 PM No.95999793
>>95999745
>Also you should be pirating all of your books anyways, so the amount that they sell doesn't actually matter
the economic worldview of the average fish-sale-emergent-storytelling enjoyer
I kneel
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 7:04:42 PM No.95999826
>>95999745
>5,000
Even that would still be considerably less than 1%, even pretending that we can trust the kickstarter numbers.
Replies: >>95999974
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 7:07:54 PM No.95999852
>>95999674
DO NOT REDEEEEEEM
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 7:11:53 PM No.95999887
>>95999563
>obviously
Shut up, Indian. If it was obvious, I wouldn't need to ask you to clarify.
>can't be bothered
So you haven't actually read or played the game, correct?
>not tested
How do you know?
>using modern economics and trade good paradigm on a fantasy Roman Empire RPG
Galaxy-brain move right there, poojeet.

So, the tl;dr is that you can't actually point to the actual place where it breaks down, right?
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 7:27:47 PM No.95999974
>>95999826
OK? The amount that something sells doesn't determine how good it is, otherwise you must be convinced that McDonald's is a Michelin star
Replies: >>95999996
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 7:31:56 PM No.95999996
>>95999974
Just putting that 45% in perspective.
Replies: >>96000045
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 7:36:39 PM No.96000044
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1610587166762
md5: 516fd29604c3b8f1c88ecc3bf4894376๐Ÿ”
>Actually the idea the fish would be worth that much goes against the concepts of supply and deman-
If you read the story the first thing that's mentioned is that an entire town has been obliterated and they're gathering the survivors.
Presumably the largest fishing village/town in the area, the one with the most abundant source of fish, ect.

At which point fish in a form that's long term storable goes from cheap food to premium product.
>And now we get to watch in excitement as Fishfag continues his crusade to pick flaws with an off-the-cuff story told months ago by some rando because he's as physically incapable of letting something to as a pitbull with the postmans thumb up its arse.

>You can't fund a coup using fish! That's an absurd story!
And thus why it's memorable. Players got to do something they usually wouldn't and the DM didn't wag his finger or go 'You can't do that, get back to fighting goblins for their cumsocks', he rolled with it.
The fact they blew the money on a temporary good (Mercenaries) to advance their own goals (Doing a coup) is pure OSR.
And the fact that there's one poster that gets so god damn angry about it is why it's pure entertainment.
Replies: >>96000601 >>96000727
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 7:36:55 PM No.96000045
>>95999996
No idea what this means. But if you are arguing that the more popular something is, the inherently better it is, and vice versa, then there's no conversation to actually be had here
Replies: >>96000074
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 7:40:25 PM No.96000074
>>96000045
Weird strawman coming from you.
Also, you seem to have trouble following the actual conversation.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 7:42:57 PM No.96000086
Enjoy your troglodyte wife
Enjoy your troglodyte wife
md5: fbfe930cb4922be8d82b3fbc8aaf2d3e๐Ÿ”
In other 'Screencaps that cause salt'; for some reason any time pic related is posted there's always one anon who pops up to talk about how the players were immoral bastards.
He never says why or gives details though.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 7:44:21 PM No.96000101
>>95999375
This actually does make the story comical.
Replies: >>96000209 >>96000271
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 7:57:09 PM No.96000209
>>96000101
The story isn't funny.
The writer being insane is.
Replies: >>96000271
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 7:58:13 PM No.96000217
>He's still desperately trying to consensus forge and rewrite history through sheer force of will
Every single person apart from (you) gets what it's about.
The only reason you don't is because of everything else you'd have to reluctantly admit if you did.
Don't worry anon, you won't lose any respect if you admit you're wrong
Because no one respects you anyway
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 8:06:41 PM No.96000271
>>96000101
>>96000209
You're brown though, thus everything you say is invalid.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 8:37:57 PM No.96000471
wait a second
so this post >>95999245 was claiming that there is some sort of obsessed weirdo who is summoned at every mention of ACK to hate on it
but in fact when people who are obviously the first time readers of the screencap (obviously since it's not an OSR thread) started pointing how that screencap is showcasing the downfalls of the system
there is suddenly a weirdo whiteknighting ACK.., calling everyone a poojit and generally sperging out and throwing childish tantrums with nothing of substance to say
go figure
let me try searching the archives for fishfag or that screencap
Replies: >>96000525 >>96000601 >>96000672 >>96000875 >>96008764
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 8:45:22 PM No.96000525
>>96000471
Do yourself a favor and don't worry about it. The ACKShill is just a retard, and the only way to keep him from spending hours samefagging/spamming about how he's right and speaks for everyone, and everyone else is one person and wrong, is to just ignore him and not reply to him.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 8:55:59 PM No.96000601
file
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md5: 669d17302f9ac58ee71a1239da183376๐Ÿ”
>>96000471
Hey, don't look at me. I'm not the guy raging about Raji Bahjis.

I would say that calling it the downfall of the system is hyperbolic though, especially with what >>96000044 points out.
It's a storytiem in a single post, of course it doesn't cover the full details of what happened or why.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 9:05:15 PM No.96000672
>>96000471
We've been dealing with that guy in the /osrg/ for a while now.
It's been horrible.
The worst part is that he's not just autistic about ACKS. He'll also start sperging out about people discussing 2e, and suddenly anyone who says something bad about ACKS or good about 2e makes him start crying about his fish story.
Thankfully the mods have been deleting his spergouts, but he just ban evades and then starts saying the mods are fishfag and that they have no power over him.
He's had over a thousand posts deleted in just the last week. We can't get rid of him.
Replies: >>96001103
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 9:11:26 PM No.96000727
>>96000044
>Presumably the largest fishing village/town in the area, the one with the most abundant source of fish, ect.
I shouldn't be surprised that a retard would come up with such a retarded presumptions
>goes from cheap food to premium product.
yeah right lmao
because the PCs are the only ones who can bring the food into the town from the villages where fish is abundant as evident by the story
no
if the town is not isolated (e.g. a siege) and outright desperate it's not going to be a premium product
and in the case it was than angry mobs is the reasonable outcome, not 10K in profit

and most importantly, the screencap has two points about the system
>smoking fish increases value by 2 points
>PCs sold a fuckton of an mundane goods at a great volume and without margin going down
so your entire rant is irrelevant to the system
Replies: >>96000808
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 9:22:36 PM No.96000808
>>96000727
You shouldn't reply to him.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 9:28:47 PM No.96000857
>>95986824 (OP)
>I hate d20
>you should play this d20
>no you should play this d20
the amount of autism in this thread has reached is beyond hope but here are my 2 cents
haven't tried unlimited dungeon, but DW is perfectly good when having d20 fatigue
its systems are nothing like d20 and takes getting used to but something refreshing is what you need in your situation
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 9:30:56 PM No.96000875
1657903106757
1657903106757
md5: 46b8394140dc34878db337653424248b๐Ÿ”
>>96000471
As someone that's been watching the situation from a distance for a while? Anti-ACKS poster is a blight.
And I'm going to present the exact post that took me from 'I don't care about this' to 'Man what an asshole';
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/94751280/#94767160
Found it.
>Anti-ACKS is doing his usual of raging against the system in vague terms
>Someone who has apparently dealt with his bullshit before tries to clear the air by saying 'Look, explain what you don't like about the system in clear terms, I promise, I'm open to having my opinion changed on this' and gives him a completely open court to explain what he dislikes about it, an actual sincere attempt to reach out to another person on the internet and engage with them as a human being instead of swinging for the cheap seats, that rarest of all things
>He takes an entire post to hawk up the biggest wad of bile from the back of his throat and spits it into their open mouth by taking 5 words out of 3 posts. We're talking zero hesitation, immediate attempt to use what they said against them in the most insincere way possible
>They then prove that they were someone that have dealt with him in the past and was by providing actual proof of how he acts and what a slug he really is.
He could've reciprocated them trying to be civil, instead he tried to score cheap points and got all his teeth rightfully kicked out.
This is who they're dealing with, is it any wonder that some of what they say is a bit nasty?

And watch him now claim that post is actually me engaging with him because 'The other side keeps claiming I'm all one person and that's bad because they're all one person'. Shit, I don't even like ACKS, but I dislike Anti-ACKS a hell of a lot more.

Oh and the only other thing I will say?
Troglodussy is the most fucking hilarious phrase in this entire situation. No exceptions.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 9:33:16 PM No.96000892
ACKShill, just fuck off and stop trying to treat us like we're all idiots.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 9:46:41 PM No.96001000
>>95998633
Always has been. I struggle to understand why anyone thinks he was anything but mediocre at best during the peak of his career.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 9:55:55 PM No.96001075
See, this is the problem he has. If it is more than one person, each with their own reason for having grown to dislike him in an entirely organic manner because of what he does? He can't claim the problem is everyone else.
So his only option is pretending it's always the same person.
You know what they say about if you run into one asshole you ran into an asshole, but if you run into 6, it's probably you.

I've got to say if it is one person then he's a master of disguise, given the range of posting styles, arguments, him turning up hours before Anti-ACKS'er in some threads, interacting with him politely only to then pretend that he's naturally grow to dislike him dozens of times, screencaps of his games in completely different styles, VTTs, tales from across a dozen different campaigns, ect.
What's more likely, some abrasive cock is being gangstalked by an illuminati tier glowie with more time on his hands than common sense, or he keeps making people dislike him and gets told to fuck off a lot?
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 9:59:27 PM No.96001103
>>96000672
>The worst part is that he's not just autistic about ACKS. He'll also start sperging out about people discussing 2e, and suddenly anyone who says something bad about ACKS or good about 2e makes him start crying about his fish story.
No, the worst part is him constantly thinking he can tell us what we should be thinking.
He actually thinks everyone here is stupid.
Replies: >>96001119
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 9:59:28 PM No.96001104
>>95996833
>you may want to check out an OSR title like Shadowdark
>OSR title like Shadowdark
>OSR
>Shadowdark

I have some unfortunate news for you, anon.
Replies: >>96001677
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 10:02:12 PM No.96001119
>>96001103
To be fair, some people here ARE stupid.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 10:14:27 PM No.96001196
Love that this dogshit thread avoided the 5e schizo landmine and jumped onto the ACKS bullshit argument landmine instead. What a shitshow.
Replies: >>96001295 >>96001373
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 10:28:18 PM No.96001295
>>96001196
I mean we could always talk about how it was written by someone who:
>Had a faggoty pink beard
>Was cancelled as a sex pest
Would that make this thread better for you anon?
Replies: >>96001386
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 10:30:58 PM No.96001316
>>95999361
Just for the record, ACKS does do supply & demand, mainly through modifiers for selling goods when you roll to trade/barter them.
Presumably the storywriter just skipped that for whatever reason.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 10:39:48 PM No.96001373
>>96001196
>make dnd thread
>someone makes the obligatory ritualpost which derails into "worst troll" guy having a meltdown
>make a thread about spreadsheet simulators
>acks shill and acks anti-shill will shit it up for a hundred posts
>schwalb game thread
>someone makes the scat joke and everyone else will seethe until thread death
>ribbonfag posts, gets WOYA'd, has a melty that ends up with most of the thread deleted
>that guy that spams his commissions at the slightest opportunity
you should get used to similar thread reruns, anon
Replies: >>96001417 >>96001435
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 10:41:04 PM No.96001386
>>96001295
>Would that make this thread better for you anon?
Wouldn't hurt. However, I am mildly interested if there is some combo of homebrew and alternate rules that makes Dungeon World suck less.
Replies: >>96001433
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 10:45:09 PM No.96001417
>>96001373
Wow, you're actually the worst poster on this board, who would have thought.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 10:48:30 PM No.96001433
>>96001386
>makes Dungeon World suck less.
Unfortunately Dungeon World commits a cardinal sin for a PbtA game.
It's generic.

PbtA isn't bad in and of itself, but as a system it leans heavily into genre conventions and requires you to really have some heavy flavour behind the game.
For a good PbtA game, you have to be able to point at a piece of media as a universal reference before going in and have all the mechanics back it up.

Dungeon World doesn't do that and so it's vague, aimless and kind of shit at best.

If you want to run a fantasy game using PbtA, check out The Sword, The Crown, and The Unspeakable Power for what a PbtA fantasy game should be like.
Hope that helps.
Replies: >>96001638
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 10:48:52 PM No.96001435
>>96001373
I'm now convinced that if we somehow managed to finally get you permanently banned from this board, it would improve overnight.
Replies: >>96001457
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 10:51:41 PM No.96001457
>>96001435
Calling shitspamming "ritualposting" was the first tip-off, but him being the woyafag is the part where I think we need to get out our pitchforks.
Replies: >>96001493
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 10:56:55 PM No.96001493
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md5: dc8c6c847e0d617a7059f0ea83e3f894๐Ÿ”
>>96001457
It's called "irrelevant catchphrases or copypasta."
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 11:17:46 PM No.96001634
The great irony of this situation is that all Fishfag ever had to do to 'win' was win over a single other person so he could hide behind there being at least two of them with different typing styles.
But he's such a feral cunt that he can't do that.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 11:19:08 PM No.96001638
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1659828644703867
md5: a672c7a0063a6d5997ea7e6a072b99fd๐Ÿ”
>>96001433
Dungeon World will always have a special place in my heart because it had answers to what I disliked about DnD a decade ago, and lead me to finding systems that I love, but you're absolutely right about it being too generic for its own good. PbtA's strengths are in genre fiction and melodrama, which is why systems like Apocalypse World, Monsterhearts, and Masks will always have new groups picking them up, but "it's like DnD" isn't a genre - different groups play the game so radically different that it's barely even a feeling.

The game is the most negative tropes of being a half-breed: PbtA players don't like it because it's trying to make itself more like DnD, and DnD players don't like it because it's not DnD. Sure there are probably some people in the perfect spot of the Venn diagram where it's the best choice for them, but almost everyone would be happier leaning harder in either direction. A game for everyone is a game for no-one!
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 11:24:33 PM No.96001677
>>96001104
what makes SD not OSR?
Replies: >>96001799 >>96001851 >>96002279 >>96003043 >>96003219
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 11:38:16 PM No.96001799
>>96001677
It's OSR, but it's also "modernized", so it upsets a minority of OSR purists looking for reasons to be upset.
Also, SD had like 15k backers on kickstarter, so that upsets the kind of people who don't like things because they're more popular than the things they like.
it's a weird game. It's got some more modern, streamlined/refined mechanics, but it still holds onto a lot of superficial OSR qualities, so it's a really odd mix. Best way to describe it is "OSR trying to bag the 5e audience", which is how you really upset the people who don't like things because they're popular.
Replies: >>96002006 >>96002348
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 11:43:50 PM No.96001851
>>96001677
nta but it's not that it's not OSR, it's just that it's kind of a weak system that didn't do anything new.
It's like Mork Borg, style over substance. It had a shitload of money and could've done something new, put an old spin on monsters, created its own unique setting, ect.
And instead it chose to safely retread old ground and take zero rissks, have zero ambition and do zero innovating.

No one is mad, most people are just disappointed.
Replies: >>96001878 >>96002006
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 11:47:41 PM No.96001878
>>96001851
There's definitely some people that are mad.
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 12:06:56 AM No.96002006
>>96001799
>15k backers on kickstarter
damn that really puts >>95999112 2K into perspective
>>96001851
>have zero ambition and do zero innovating
that sounds like every OSR system ever ngl
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 12:20:54 AM No.96002106
>>95994826
Well?
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 12:21:55 AM No.96002111
>>95997781
Personal taste is the only reason anyone likes anything, retard.
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 12:22:56 AM No.96002122
>>95999622
Yes.
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 12:53:28 AM No.96002279
sd
sd
md5: 4379f1d7b7f81802df38d413f1379aed๐Ÿ”
>>96001677
She doesn't think it's OSR, according to her blog.
Replies: >>96002330 >>96002338 >>96002348
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 1:03:05 AM No.96002330
Screenshot 2025-07-02 at 6.59.43โ€ฏPM copy
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md5: 1305f7a0d545e19e9084c11fa75bbb2d๐Ÿ”
>>96002279
I'm gonna have to call bullshit on "it's not trying to be anything at all!"
It's got more sacred cows than India.
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Anonymous
7/3/2025, 1:04:42 AM No.96002338
>>96002279
I don't think anyone who is remotely aware of the OSR and the people who started it would want to be associated with a crowd of retarded hipster faggots who crashed the OSR with no survivors and torched it, then tried to restart it, only to fail, then return to the burned out husk they'd originally created, and proceed to argue about what was or wasn't OSR.
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 1:07:37 AM No.96002348
>>96001799
This made me laugh. Thanks Anon
>>96002279
OSR-like. I can go along with that. Not buying another OSR book though. Shadowdark has the base system down. I customize it as needed. I donโ€™t need another $30 book telling me that long swords do 1d6 and elves are their own class.
Honestly, I kind of take a page from Professor Dungeon Master and just have everyone roll an โ€œ8โ€ on a d20. There comes a time when you just have to ask how much of a game is someone just staring at a book and imagining theyโ€™ve mastered the system with their โ€œbuildโ€?
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 1:35:31 AM No.96002492
y7xvxwt4i5q31
y7xvxwt4i5q31
md5: 70d2745134d7baa8f50a1858faeb5560๐Ÿ”
>>96002330
>3d6 in order
god i hate how these fuckers love to cling to this bullshit.
Replies: >>96002502
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 1:36:42 AM No.96002502
>>96002492
I've just got to say at least ACKS offers alternatives and even suggests one of them as the default
Replies: >>96002929
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 2:50:45 AM No.96002929
Screenshot 2025-07-02 194109
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md5: 48b5b6e92df44810a4f646b53b85c4b2๐Ÿ”
>>96002502
ad&d already solved the issue
Replies: >>96008735
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 3:15:00 AM No.96003043
>>96001677
"Why is this cat not a dog?"
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 3:54:11 AM No.96003196
I started playing with friends in the 4th grade in '82, and then pick up games at our local hobby shop in the mid to late '80s as a teen. Never encountered anyone back then being hard and fast 3d6 down the line. I'm sure it happened, but I don't even recall anyone ever using that method from my anecdotal experience.
Replies: >>96003236
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 4:00:40 AM No.96003219
>>96001677
The pirated SD and SD third party pdfs get categorized under "Nu-SR," where all the hipster stuff goes.
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 4:03:32 AM No.96003236
>>96003196
I'm from the same era. We used one of the AD&D variants, like 4d6 discard lowest.
I more or less consider Shadowdark as OSR. It has the same basic bones to it. Everything else is style and very well-edited page layouts. I enjoy the game.
Never played ACKS. I have friends who want to try it. If it is simulationist in nature, then I don't need it.
Replies: >>96003329 >>96003827
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 4:28:38 AM No.96003329
>>96003236
It's simulationist in the sense that it makes you roll on a lot of charts and make dozens of spreadsheets that need to cross reference each other and waste a lot of time.
It's not simulationist in that it doesn't come close to actually simulating anything remotely accurately.
Replies: >>96003421
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 4:50:29 AM No.96003421
devil-mouth
devil-mouth
md5: f9845ea6bf71fe11b728d9554e18eff3๐Ÿ”
>>96003329
There are people who really get a kick out of the ritual of character creation. For some, it's a game unto itself.
I don't necessarily fault them. It's part of the creative process, but just rolling one someone else's tables doesn't creatively constrain me, it's just work. I think my dislike of it came from the 90's in which (for example) when Highlander came out, I spent a lot of time trying to come up with a character class "immortal" that would fit into World of Darkness. That was fun for me at the time (I had a lot of time to stand around and do nothing).
Simulationism can be fun; look at the character creation process for a game like Traveller. But when it becomes the Game You Don't Play you start to build up a ritual with your friends of always rolling up stuff and never playing. You never get to actually DO the game.
Going back to Dungeon World, I think it turned off a certain niche of players in that they don't build a "build", there is no simulationism. It's always "FOR THE FICTION!" (as they say in the forums). You have to actually go on adventures for adventure's sake.
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 6:44:25 AM No.96003827
Capture
Capture
md5: 523461b7676c54de207ed95f5dcef74e๐Ÿ”
>>96003236
I personally like it because it produces consistent results and that if you extrapolate rulings based on the logic of the rules, you will get stuff that "makes sense" within the context of the system. So for instance, ACKS doesn't model the additive value of economics very well and if you intend to use it for that, I would advise against it. It does everything else fairly well - I haven't encountered many things that stymied me as a "Judge." Like with pic related, I was building a custom class that has a backstab-like feature and I wanted to make sure that it doesn't outshine the thief, and all in all it doesn't. But it's cool that you can just test it out.
Replies: >>96005208
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 1:38:58 PM No.96005208
>>96003827
Kinda wish that there was a stronger word for the exact and direct opposite of what "fun" is, but I don't think anyone really expected someone like you to exist.
Replies: >>96008748 >>96009626
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 12:01:21 AM No.96008735
>>96002929
I prefer roll 3d6 seven times and place the best six as desired.
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 12:02:56 AM No.96008748
>>96005208
>Wow, you actually want game balance and to make sure one class doesn't overshadow another? Yawn, boring, gay baby shit
You really are a sad little creature aren't you?
Replies: >>96008905
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 12:04:55 AM No.96008764
>>96000471
>let me try searching the archives for fishfag or that screencap
Here, have the thread where he's first mentioned by name as Fishfag: https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/95551347/
As you can see, he's universally considered intolerable by everyone except himself.
Replies: >>96008778 >>96008905
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 12:07:16 AM No.96008778
>>96008764
Oh and of course, before he goes 'There are dozens of us, dozens!' like he always does
>Anyone who cares to; go re-read that thread then come back here and compare the insults used in it to the ones used here. You can tell it's the same guy, he has maybe 3-4 rote lines he switches between because his brain is broken.
Replies: >>96008905 >>96011393
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 12:33:02 AM No.96008905
>>96008764
>>96008778
It's weird, because looking at that thread, and it's completely different from the narrative you're trying to make about it.
It looks like you're trying your hardest to start a dogpile on anyone who disagrees with you, lumping them all together, but you're doing such obvious samefagging that it's actually almost funny, because you keep doing this weird business where you, and I'm assuming it's you because it's defintiely your style, are just arguing in your own head and not listening to anything that's actually being said.
I mean, you did it right here even.
>>96008748
The problem isn't wanting the game to be balanced. The problem is how sterilized and formulaic, ie. boring the guy is. How he's the complete opposite of fun.

It's the same thing with your fish story. People just think it's a dull, dumb story, and no amount of people explaining that to you, even in probably dozens of threads now, can get through your thick skull. You imagine they're attacking emergent gameplay as a concept, or something else no one said, when all that's being attacked is a boring fish story emerging.
You keep trying to shape a narrative where you're not the loser being laughed at, and then when try and show off your triumphant story in some other thread, you get the same "Wow, your story is shit" response once again, and sending you into a spiral of trying to tell everyone how they should feel about your story, lest you start calling them your boogeyman.

Look at this thread. You spent most of it tantrumming, and largely just being ignored because you're not actually talking to anyone real, just people in your own head.
Now, here's the part where you completely ignore everything I actually said in this post and instead decide to try arguing against someone in your own head. And, this of course comes with you imaging you can try to tell people what I just said, even when my post is right here for everyone to read.
Replies: >>96008953 >>96009626
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 12:42:37 AM No.96008953
>>96008905
>He's the opposite of fun
>Your fish story
At least we've finally got you to admit there's more than one person that plays ACKS, that's progress I suppose. Baby steps to you admitting that there's multiple people laughing at you and calling you a retard.

Cope harder by the way about how I'm a devious Machiavellian trying to weave a narrative over the country bumpkins of /tg/ by
>Posting links to the bullshit you get up to and telling them to read it for themselves and form their own opinions

>And now he posts another 2000'er about how his asshole is completely intact, virginial and he's not at all sore in the rear end, no one ever mocks him, he's right, his mummy says so, ect, ect, so on, so forth, here to ad infinitum while claiming I'm doing that when all I have to do is go 'Here's a link, later'
Replies: >>96008988
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 12:47:34 AM No.96008988
>>96008953
Whoa.
>Now, here's the part where you completely ignore everything I actually said in this post and instead decide to try arguing against someone in your own head. And, this of course comes with you imaging you can try to tell people what I just said, even when my post is right here for everyone to read.

I should play the lottery.
Replies: >>96016282
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 2:28:34 AM No.96009626
>>96005208
And yet here I am having fun and playing games, whereas you're a seething brownoid who doesn't get to have fun ever. Funny.

>>96008905
>sterilized
>formulaic
You do know that all RPGs revolve around math, right?
Replies: >>96010196
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 4:14:44 AM No.96010196
>>96009626
>YOU HATE MATH! I KNOW YOU SAID NOTHING OF THE SORT, BUT I'D HATE TO ADMIT HOW LIFELESSLY DULL THAT POST IS SO INSTEAD I NEED TO MAKE SOME SORT OF STRAWMAN!!!
Wow, you actually just can't talk directly to someone, can you?
Replies: >>96011222
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 8:42:11 AM No.96011222
>>96010196
That is exactly what you said in that diarrhea of words. "Sterilized and formulaic" - oh and by the way Ranjeesh, the word you were looking for is sterile. When you break an RPG down to its math components, any and all RPGs are going to be formulaic in the most literal sense of the word.
Replies: >>96012303
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 9:47:48 AM No.96011393
>>96008778
yeah for starters going by the stats it's entirely unbelievable there would be more than 3 posters who actually played ..ACK here and it's actually statistically improbable 1 of them would actually like it
so our ..ACK! shill is an unlucky [for everyone else on the board] fluke outlier
Replies: >>96016337
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 3:01:04 PM No.96012303
>>96011222
>That is exactly what you said
You know that people can actually still see the post, right? Right? That no one has to, let alone has any incentive to, listen to you at all, right? And they can all see how full of shit you are, right?
Why bother to keep pretending they can't? Is it just to make the conversation focused on how much of a general shitbag you are? It's not a good strategy.
Replies: >>96014309
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 9:18:32 PM No.96014309
>>96012303
Then would you like to clarify what you said? Because you're literally complaining about math in RPGs. This is how game balance works. I know you're brown but come on. Or, better yet, tell me about the 2000 "sign" limit.
Replies: >>96014841 >>96015705 >>96016345
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 10:36:10 PM No.96014841
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md5: d68dc304d914a24f04a43c0ed023bd36๐Ÿ”
>>96014309
Fortunately for us he just got banned in another thread for outright admitting he's not here for sincere conversation but because he wants to 'own the chuds' because OSR secretly stands for Obenfuhrerswastikareich or someshit in his world of bugfuck insanity.
Time to enjoy exactly 24 hours of peace because our Janny is a subhuman who won't ban him for longer than that.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 12:56:13 AM No.96015705
>>96014309
Math in RPGs can be interesting.
You can't be.
*dabs on you*
Replies: >>96016358 >>96016391
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 3:32:04 AM No.96016276
>>95996833
>OSR title like Shadowdark
You may want to get your brains checked, bud
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 3:33:59 AM No.96016282
>>96008988
You should play ACKS
Replies: >>96017740 >>96021928
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 3:44:17 AM No.96016337
>>96011393
Youre an angry delusional schizo who still refuses to define what the word "shill"means.
Replies: >>96017740
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 3:45:17 AM No.96016345
>>96014309
CHARACTERS ARE FOR KANJI LANGUAGES
hoohoo!
Replies: >>96016461
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 3:48:36 AM No.96016358
>>96015705
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 3:53:47 AM No.96016391
>>96015705
*givs u an atomic wedgie*
What now tough guy?
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 4:08:33 AM No.96016461
>>96016345
Or characters of an alphabet
Replies: >>96016690
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 5:19:17 AM No.96016684
I think we can all agree that nobody likes anything other then their comfort games.

I'ld give some suggestions, but then I'ld probably get a mob of virtual pitchforks aimed at my general direction.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 5:21:50 AM No.96016690
>>96016461
r/wooosh
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:00:04 AM No.96017740
file
file
md5: c5840998363798943bd5e1903cfd9249๐Ÿ”
>>96016282
>>96016337
That poster has been given his token 24 hour ban at the moment for pic related in a different thread.
Which is why he's gone quiet, the freak.

Unfortunately we have to deal with this fucker in /osrg/ all the time, the Jannies let him just shit up whatever thread he cares to and ban anyone who calls him out as the faggot he is.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:07:27 AM No.96017758
So, while he's away on his little holiday.
How about we all take the opportunity to state the things we despise the most about Fishfag?
Usually I wouldn't suggest something off topic like that but frankly we're not going to get many opportunities to actually talk honestly about the bullshit he gets up to without him being there pretending to be a half-dozen people who have oddly similar posting styles all in consensus about how everyone else is wrong.

Personally for me it's him constantly claiming that the other person is treating everyone else as stupid.
It's such a flagrant, shameless piece of projection.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:07:10 PM No.96019523
>>95986824 (OP)
cool art.
Replies: >>96022592
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:07:30 AM No.96021928
>>96016282
Anyone who is interested in playing a real RPG should. It's better than Dungeon World.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:03:49 AM No.96022592
>>96019523
Cover art is the only good piece of art. Everything else is varying degrees of rancid ass.